| 00:14.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | zammy must have gotten wrong sth about the idea behinf IRC |
| 00:14.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | drive-by-asker, or rather ask-and-run |
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| 00:47.24 | Win7Mac | last meeting was a fun read... for a split second. Also, what happened to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89998 ? |
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| 00:56.16 | Macer | hm |
| 00:56.28 | Macer | the camera crashed but i can't find this damn crashlog |
| 00:56.30 | Macer | :-/ |
| 01:01.04 | Macer | i'm not seeing core-dumps |
| 01:01.05 | Macer | wtf? |
| 01:01.09 | Macer | oh wait. i think i know why |
| 01:01.25 | Macer | i still haven't rebooted? maybe the daemon didn't start? |
| 01:06.37 | Macer | ok uhm |
| 01:06.40 | Macer | this sp-rich-core |
| 01:06.43 | Macer | isn't doing anything |
| 01:09.46 | Macer | so i still have no idea why the cam crashes :( |
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| 02:22.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Win7Mac> ... Also, what happened to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89998 ?)) haha, *I* didn't ask for deletion of this thread. So probably somebody got sober and gone "WTF I *did* there?" |
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| 08:38.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1341376#post1341376 |
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| 08:40.59 | MohammadAG | bash is a mysterious thing sometimes :| |
| 08:41.06 | MohammadAG | or I'm losing my script-fu |
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| 08:49.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey MohammadAG! |
| 08:50.01 | MohammadAG | hey DocScrutinizer05 :) |
| 08:50.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I once actually found a bug in bash, but usually it's just the user aka PEBKAC |
| 08:50.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's your problem? |
| 08:51.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: also, have you already voted? |
| 08:52.02 | MohammadAG | I just figured it out |
| 08:52.22 | MohammadAG | apparently a for x in $(ls) loop fails for spaces |
| 08:52.30 | MohammadAG | I just switched to a while read loop |
| 08:52.40 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, nope, it's that time again? |
| 08:53.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, see topic! |
| 08:53.46 | MohammadAG | heh, I usually skip the first part |
| 08:54.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | (for x in $y) a env is one token usually |
| 08:54.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think |
| 08:55.02 | MohammadAG | ls *m4a | while read f; do aac2mp3 -b 320 -c "$f"; done worked |
| 08:55.24 | MohammadAG | for files in "$(ls *m4a)"; do aac2mp3 -b 320 -c "$files"; done didn't |
| 08:56.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw WFM |
| 08:56.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:/usr/share/man> echo $x |
| 08:56.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | a b c |
| 08:56.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:/usr/share/man> for y in $x; do echo $y; done |
| 08:56.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | a |
| 08:56.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | b |
| 08:56.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | c |
| 08:56.34 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, your files don't have spaces in their name |
| 08:56.50 | MohammadAG | Due to the nature of digital music, it's sort of possible for files to have spaces in their names :P |
| 08:56.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, so you got the other problem |
| 08:57.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | the you must use " " arounf the name |
| 08:57.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | around |
| 08:58.14 | MohammadAG | isn't that what I'm doing? |
| 08:58.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, no, you're doing exactly the opposite |
| 08:59.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | "a.m4a foo bar.m4a" |
| 09:01.03 | MohammadAG | hmm, so what's the correct way? |
| 09:02.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~> for y in x*; do echo $y; done |
| 09:02.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | x |
| 09:02.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | x 1 |
| 09:02.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | x 2 |
| 09:02.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | x 3 |
| 09:03.21 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, echo takes spaces |
| 09:03.26 | MohammadAG | do something else |
| 09:03.56 | MohammadAG | like cat for example |
| 09:04.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~> for y in x*; do ls -l "$y"; done |
| 09:04.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 jr users 40 4. Mai 03:00 x |
| 09:04.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 jr users 0 5. Mai 11:01 x 1 |
| 09:04.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 jr users 0 5. Mai 11:01 x 2 |
| 09:04.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 jr users 0 5. Mai 11:01 x 3 |
| 09:05.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 09:06.16 | MohammadAG | still doesn't work for me :( |
| 09:06.21 | MohammadAG | for x in `ls *.m4a.mp3`; do |
| 09:06.22 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.22 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.22 | MohammadAG | done |
| 09:06.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh! |
| 09:06.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | no fucking `ls *` |
| 09:06.39 | MohammadAG | ah ok |
| 09:06.40 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 09:06.53 | MohammadAG | ooooh shiny |
| 09:07.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | when bash does the expanding, bash knows about the spaces in that token |
| 09:07.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | with `ls *` it has no way to know |
| 09:09.57 | MohammadAG | now to figure out what kind of m3u files my dad's car takes |
| 09:10.22 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, I totally forgot about * working without a command |
| 09:10.25 | MohammadAG | e.g ls |
| 09:11.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, the main difference between a decent unix shell and a fake like dos, where every command is doing that on its own |
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| 09:11.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually `ls` is the same like `echo *` |
| 09:12.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically |
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| 10:46.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+status |
| 10:46.31 | infobot | Since Sun May 5 10:38:28 2013, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 8m 3s this session, and currently reference 119044 factoids. I'm using about 18636 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 6.46/0.14 child 0.01/0 |
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| 10:46.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
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| 11:38.27 | Mr_Stupid | Oorgle? |
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| 13:01.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: anyway filenames with spaces are a pita in unix, and I strongly suggest to not even allow them anywhere. When importing e.g. mp3 then just convert all spaces to underlines |
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| 13:15.05 | kerio | filenames with spaces are a PITA if you're using inferior tools |
| 13:15.12 | kerio | or using them wrong |
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| 13:23.41 | apic | A splendid good Sunday. |
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| 13:36.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: on linux about every (cmdline) tool is "inferior" when it comes to handling filenames with spaces |
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| 13:57.07 | ron0062010 | 2 |
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| 14:17.19 | Riviera | DocScrutinizer05: Do you have any example? |
| 14:17.50 | Riviera | Actually particularly Linux (i.e. GNU) tools work quite well with filenames that even contain newline characters. |
| 14:24.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Riviera: use find in a for x in `find ...` loop, with filenames that contain spaces |
| 14:24.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | have fun |
| 14:25.00 | Riviera | DocScrutinizer05: As kerio said, that's wrong usage. |
| 14:25.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | hahaha |
| 14:25.28 | Riviera | DocScrutinizer05: Splitting input into words and then being surprised that the input is split is not a convincing example. |
| 14:25.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what's "right" use then? |
| 14:25.51 | Riviera | DocScrutinizer05: Depends on what's available. You said Linux, so I assume GNU tools, like bash and GNU find: |
| 14:25.55 | kerio | find $path -$filters -exec |
| 14:26.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 14:26.11 | Riviera | DocScrutinizer05: while IFS= read -r -d '' x; do some_command "$x"; done < <(find .. -print0) |
| 14:26.11 | kerio | or find $path -$filters -print0 | xargs -0 |
| 14:26.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm smart enough to know about -exec |
| 14:26.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | even about -print0 |
| 14:26.46 | Riviera | DocScrutinizer05: That'll work not only with paths containing spaces but also with newlines, and, in fact, any characters. |
| 14:26.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | but obviously for x in list, it's fucked up |
| 14:26.57 | Riviera | As -exec and | xargs -0 would as well, but you wanted a loop, so there you are. |
| 14:27.08 | Riviera | Well certainly, but that's expected. |
| 14:28.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | the point is that for x actually works just fine |
| 14:28.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's the $( find ) that fucks up stuff |
| 14:28.38 | Riviera | You can make it work for find output that doesn't contain paths with newlines with: IFS=$'\n'; set -f; for blah in $(find); do ..; done |
| 14:28.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | for x in "a b" "c d" "e f" works like a charm |
| 14:28.53 | Riviera | Sure. |
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| 14:29.32 | Riviera | But $() isn't a good choice anyway, because you would have to use it unquoted, hence word-splitting and pathname expansion happen. Also $() removes trailing newline characters. |
| 14:29.34 | kerio | any shell trick except using NUL as a separator will eventually fail |
| 14:29.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I tried with IFS=, and IFS=: and it blew chunks on "do" unexpected |
| 14:30.05 | Riviera | Well, as kerio said, the tools work just fine if you don't use them incorrectly. |
| 14:30.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, kerio said that? |
| 14:30.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah! |
| 14:30.26 | Riviera | So a legitimate blame would be things were too complicated. |
| 14:30.46 | Riviera | Why do you laugh that much? You obviously are too clueless for this level of arrogance. |
| 14:31.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | a legitimate blame would be that anybody using blanks, comma, backspace, esc, exclamation mark, etc, in a filename should get shot with hot owlshit |
| 14:31.32 | kerio | except that they're perfectly valid characters to use in a path name |
| 14:32.00 | kerio | well, you don't use characters in path names, you use bytes |
| 14:32.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | even esc ans backspace? |
| 14:32.19 | Riviera | Yes, every character except \0 and, well /. |
| 14:32.24 | kerio | i think that the only two invalid bytes are NUL and '/' |
| 14:32.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | my point stands |
| 14:32.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | hot owl shit |
| 14:32.40 | kerio | oh, absolutely |
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| 15:03.02 | jaska | you can also make eth0:0 style aliases that have escape codes or backspaces in them with ifconfig :) |
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| 15:23.50 | samn900 | Hello, how can I use all common commands of irc by the n900? |
| 15:24.16 | samn900 | Such /ctcp |
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| 15:37.23 | Macer | what client are you using? |
| 15:37.33 | Macer | if you use irssi on it then it works just the same |
| 15:37.59 | samn900 | Well now here is default chat client of n900 |
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| 15:38.25 | samn900 | But i have installed also irssi right now |
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| 15:39.23 | samn900 | So i am fine now but i would switch tabs on irssi client |
| 15:39.52 | samn900 | Idk how to use it |
| 15:42.13 | Macer | http://www.irssi.org/documentation/manual |
| 15:42.20 | Macer | or you can just install xterm |
| 15:42.22 | Macer | er |
| 15:42.23 | Macer | xchat |
| 15:42.36 | Macer | xchat = gui based client |
| 15:42.55 | samn900 | Yes I tried xchat |
| 15:43.09 | samn900 | It did not connect |
| 15:44.46 | Macer | if it didn't connect it is a problem with whatever server you are using |
| 15:44.48 | Macer | maybe the server is down |
| 15:44.56 | Macer | or you have to send it something to connect because of no identd |
| 15:45.07 | samn900 | Nope anyway thx |
| 15:45.15 | samn900 | For the link |
| 15:45.15 | Macer | k |
| 15:45.18 | Macer | yeah |
| 15:45.27 | Macer | irssi has a bit of a learning curve.. but once you do it it is worth it |
| 15:45.32 | Macer | especially since you can use it on a shell |
| 15:45.33 | Macer | heh |
| 15:45.38 | Macer | which is what most people do |
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| 15:46.11 | samn900 | I want just to use to connect to my eggdrop so i only need ctcp command available |
| 15:46.19 | samn900 | Nothing else |
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| 15:46.30 | samn900 | Thx its enough for me |
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| 16:16.07 | kerio | for crying out loud, stop using IRC to download warez |
| 16:16.10 | kerio | it's a crappy method |
| 16:16.44 | samn900 | I dont |
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| 17:56.22 | Win7Mac | how can I find a certain user in http://maemo.org/profile/list/? Sort: is missing "by user" I'd say... |
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| 18:33.57 | Win7Mac | or am I missing something? |
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| 20:34.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | i would honestly like to get a repligard backup from Nemein and compare or even merge it to our currnt repligard |
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| 20:51.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, finding (out about) a GUID that's 'missing' and where it comes from, what type/record it has or should have in repligard, etc |
| 20:52.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | is probably the way forward |
| 20:53.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | eh ECHAN |
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| 21:01.05 | Win7Mac | ~ECHAN |
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