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| 01:30.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619a: howdy stranger! |
| 01:31.22 | bef0rd | sup |
| 01:31.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | 'lections |
| 01:32.00 | bef0rd | I actually had the token in my email sorry for the message .. and received the new one yesterday |
| 01:32.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | np |
| 01:32.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for voting |
| 01:33.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | see my most recent tip on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89926 |
| 01:35.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a real pity we weren't able to offer a "[X] sync both MMC and HFC votes" option checkbox on http://maemo.org/vote/ |
| 01:37.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | but my dual-window method is almost as good |
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| 02:43.05 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer05 -> COUNCIL VOTE OPEN! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89926 || Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 03:31.50 | Macer | is there a functional youtube client? |
| 03:36.06 | rikanee | Macer: CuteTube? |
| 03:36.11 | rikanee | phew, voted. |
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| 07:00.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
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| 09:20.38 | zemmy | I am getting a bit of troubles with msn to connect on my n900 as chat |
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| 10:35.44 | zemmy | well now I am trying fring |
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| 11:00.10 | zemmy | lots troubles ... fring much more problematic |
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| 14:50.03 | _rd | Is there a way to disable GPS (e.g. via dbus) if an application has registered for GPS? |
| 14:50.28 | _rd | Usecase would be that I use the accel and disable GPS whenever it does not detect any significant motion. |
| 14:50.50 | _rd | I.e. when I arrived somewhere and forgot to shutdown navit or another mapping application. |
| 14:51.18 | Pali | _rd, there is API for using GPS |
| 14:51.37 | Pali | I do not know if it using dbus, but it is C api |
| 14:52.32 | Pali | for example status menu GPS plugin using that api too and is able to stop GPS |
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| 14:53.54 | _rd | aaah...good hint. And can I reenable the GPS again when I detect movement? |
| 14:54.17 | Pali | _rd: I think yes, but really not sure |
| 14:55.33 | Pali | _rd: look here: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/liblocation/ |
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| 15:04.40 | _rd | Hmm... location_gpsd_control_stop () looked promising, but the explanation implies that it is not doing what I am asking for: "...Location service is kept running as long as there is at least one application using it...." |
| 15:05.35 | _rd | Is the location framework open? I am wondering if it would not be best to directly patch the location framework. Then all GPS applications would benefit... |
| 15:06.18 | Pali | location framework is closed |
| 15:07.26 | Pali | _rd: but, that checkbox in status area applet which enabling/disabling GPG seems only changing some gconf key |
| 15:07.40 | Pali | and there is scheme of all gconf keys |
| 15:07.55 | Pali | so you can try to change some enable gconf key |
| 15:08.07 | Pali | that may be working... |
| 15:08.44 | Pali | look at gconf keys: /system/nokia/location/supl/ |
| 15:08.57 | _rd | do you know where the gconf keys are documented? |
| 15:09.20 | Pali | in scheme files |
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| 15:13.22 | Pali | _rd: look to file: /etc/gconf/schemas/location.schemas |
| 15:13.25 | Pali | (on n900) |
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| 15:20.37 | _rd | Pali, thank you, looks promising. I will experiment a little with that. |
| 15:21.04 | Pali | ok |
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| 15:41.29 | _rd | Pali, gconf works nicely. |
| 15:41.51 | _rd | I will hack together a python script for my own purposes.... |
| 15:42.19 | _rd | ....with some enhancements that would make a nice enhancement in cssu |
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| 18:59.28 | sixwheeledbeast | hmm.. since the new ribbon cable, I have started noticing proxy sensor issues in sunlight. not good. |
| 19:01.02 | sixwheeledbeast | I suppose england only has 3 days of sunny weather a year anyway... |
| 19:04.15 | Sc0rpius | hehe |
| 19:07.15 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm... may give this a go. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=979708&postcount=33 |
| 19:10.16 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05, qwazix |
| 19:16.02 | zammy | hey everyone |
| 19:16.09 | zammy | where do live all |
| 19:16.10 | sixwheeledbeast | hey |
| 19:16.36 | zammy | don't they wake up while I do... |
| 19:17.00 | sixwheeledbeast | speak like yoda, you do. |
| 19:17.07 | zammy | yes |
| 19:17.45 | zammy | anyway I was wondering about a good client for all chat |
| 19:17.54 | zammy | including twitter... |
| 19:18.14 | sixwheeledbeast | for n900 i guess? |
| 19:18.18 | zammy | I have msn gtalk facebook skype twitter irc... some SIP |
| 19:18.20 | zammy | yes ofc |
| 19:18.45 | zammy | I know pidgin on my linux |
| 19:19.00 | sixwheeledbeast | there's pidgin for maemo |
| 19:19.05 | zammy | I know there is the default conversations on n900 that works fine |
| 19:19.23 | zammy | I downloaded pidgin for maemo too |
| 19:19.34 | zammy | but how to get it in autorun |
| 19:19.53 | sixwheeledbeast | autorun? |
| 19:20.03 | zammy | some autostart manager |
| 19:20.09 | zammy | autostart / autorun |
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| 19:20.18 | sixwheeledbeast | to start at boot time? |
| 19:20.23 | zammy | ye |
| 19:20.28 | sixwheeledbeast | upstart |
| 19:20.37 | zammy | is it the name? |
| 19:21.10 | sixwheeledbeast | you have to make a valid upstart file and save it in /etc/event.d/foo/ |
| 19:21.47 | zammy | oh... |
| 19:21.52 | zammy | some guide? |
| 19:21.54 | sixwheeledbeast | pidgin can be heavy for maemo tho. |
| 19:21.59 | zammy | yes |
| 19:22.05 | zammy | I agree |
| 19:22.26 | zammy | but I get troubles with default conversation but I really like it |
| 19:22.34 | zammy | it works like pidgin |
| 19:22.39 | zammy | looking like pidgin too |
| 19:22.45 | sixwheeledbeast | It's nice to have the same features as your desktop so it's give and take. |
| 19:23.41 | zammy | I mean... my msn does not work... the output error says that I have opened the msn and twitter in some other client |
| 19:23.44 | zammy | but I don't... |
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| 19:25.20 | sixwheeledbeast | nfc, i don't use twit-book or skyp-ter. I have real friends I go the pub with :) |
| 19:25.52 | zammy | yes... but I want to have all |
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| 19:27.22 | zammy | dropn900 does not work |
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| 19:33.03 | sixwheeledbeast | there's a hacky fix posted on TMO today I believe |
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| 20:10.18 | Macer | hm |
| 20:10.25 | Macer | do i need a power kernel still for mobile hotspot? |
| 20:10.29 | Macer | keeps giving me a failed to start error |
| 20:10.40 | Macer | i thought cssu came with an iptables kernel |
| 20:11.15 | Macer | oh.. then again. i didn't restart. maybe mobile hotspot instsalled on |
| 20:35.30 | Macer | guess not :) |
| 20:35.39 | Macer | hm. thought mobile hotspot added the kernel for you |
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| 20:36.17 | Macer | how odd |
| 20:36.49 | Macer | hm... kernel-modules-maemo conflicts with power kernel? |
| 20:37.48 | Macer | ~powerkernel |
| 20:42.24 | Macer | Exception: Command 'insmod /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/nf_conntrack.ko' returned with code 256 (0 expected) |
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| 20:46.04 | Macer | im kind of stuck |
| 20:46.11 | Macer | i cant install the power user kernel |
| 20:49.01 | Macer | oh |
| 21:05.56 | sixwheeledbeast | Macer isn't that a really old version? |
| 21:08.10 | Win7Mac | thanks for updating Maemo.org team/How Elections Work: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team/How_Elections_Work |
| 21:08.59 | sixwheeledbeast | ditto ^^^ |
| 21:14.09 | Macer | doesn't matter anyways |
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| 21:42.31 | kerio | is it bad taste to vote for oneself? |
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| 21:43.14 | sixwheeledbeast | I don't see why. |
| 21:44.29 | freemangordon | kerio: vote is anonymous, so noone will learn about that :P |
| 21:44.40 | freemangordon | *the vote |
| 21:45.14 | sixwheeledbeast | I wouldn't expect politicians to vote for the other parties. |
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| 22:11.46 | sixwheeledbeast | Anybody know how/if possible to "permanently" set the RDS station name on fmtx? |
| 22:12.53 | kerio | sixwheeledbeast: hm, something sets it to "NOKIA", not sure what |
| 22:13.05 | kerio | and i'm not sure how often it does that |
| 22:13.42 | sixwheeledbeast | I can change it with fmtx_client but somehow it reverts back after a while. |
| 22:14.07 | rikanee | sixwheeledbeast: try running strings on fmtxd |
| 22:14.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a sysfs node to write RDS text to |
| 22:15.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 22:16.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.34 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: ty, i'd would have spend ages looking for that. |
| 22:20.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | cd /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/; for f in rds*; do echo -e '\n\n' $f; cat $f; done |
| 22:24.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | a somewhat OT question: how would I check in a bashscript for mousebutton pressed? Or could I even receive a signal or message when it gets pressed and when it gets released? |
| 22:25.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be fine with checking for x-events, or mapping a "regular" kbd key to mousebutton and then readln, or whatever |
| 22:26.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably ready from sysfs however would be my favourite |
| 22:27.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess reading from /dev/input* or similar is the way to go though |
| 22:27.58 | kerio | it's most definetely not |
| 22:28.07 | kerio | going that route will only lead to pain and suffering |
| 22:28.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 22:28.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-P |
| 22:28.21 | kerio | fighting against xorg is like invading russia |
| 22:28.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might even shut down X11 on that machine, it's not really needed |
| 22:28.48 | kerio | you'll get to some halfway point where something vaguely works |
| 22:28.56 | kerio | and then winter comes and you freeze your ass off and starve |
| 22:29.32 | kerio | look at xev maybe |
| 22:29.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I need that for generic input from sensors |
| 22:29.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | in a controller alike setup |
| 22:30.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually I'd use a USB 16 GPIO extender |
| 22:30.35 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why a mouse? |
| 22:30.39 | kerio | will position matter? |
| 22:30.46 | kerio | like, the position of the cursor |
| 22:30.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | because a mouse is cheaper than such GPIO dongle |
| 22:31.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, as already mentioned I will run that script on a console, so any mouse moving doesn't interfere |
| 22:31.39 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: use ncurses and enable mouse input :D |
| 22:32.01 | kerio | gpm should work, in the linux consoles |
| 22:32.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just want *raw* button-pressed?1:0 |
| 22:32.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | or get a SIGUSR1 whenever it's pressed and a SIGUSR2 whenever it gets released |
| 22:33.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | think of sth like a stopwatch |
| 22:34.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 'app' starts on system init and takes control over the whole machine |
| 22:35.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and mousebuttons are your start/stop and reset buttons |
| 22:35.32 | kerio | hm, i can't seem to *find* anything to do that |
| 22:35.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | while only input from kbd that matters is ^C |
| 22:36.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | or ctrl-alt-del ;-D |
| 22:36.28 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: well |
| 22:36.43 | kerio | try gpm to enable the mouse in the consoles |
| 22:36.51 | kerio | then enable mouse tracking and read |
| 22:37.02 | kerio | like `printf "\e[?9h"` |
| 22:37.18 | kerio | each mouse event is 6 characters |
| 22:37.35 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: http://cfajohnson.com/shell/?2005-07-15_mousetraps |
| 22:37.47 | kerio | i'm not sure if it will work inside of a linux console |
| 22:37.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks a lot |
| 22:37.53 | kerio | it'll work under xterm, for sure |
| 22:40.05 | Skry | xinput --test |
| 22:40.44 | Riviera | it would require something like gpm for the linux console |
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| 22:41.29 | Skry | ah, console, right |
| 22:41.33 | Skry | lazy reader |
| 22:42.10 | Riviera | (the sequences are the same in the console as for xterm, though) |
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| 22:55.00 | Skry | anyway, there is also evtest |
| 22:55.35 | Skry | gn from here too |
| 23:35.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /dev/input/mouse0|od -x -w2; already yields almost all I need |
| 23:35.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless thanks |
| 23:36.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | now maybe I manage to decouple mouse0 from trackpad of that laptop, and actually disable the mouse for X11 |
| 23:37.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | then I wouldn't even need to shutdown X11 for this to work unattended |
| 23:38.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you wonder: the true purpose is kinda that of a doorchime playing a random chime *.wav each time the button gets pressed |
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| 23:40.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | to make all that a tiny bit less booring, the laptop shall shut down when mains power gets switched off, and shall boot or resume to that chime app when mains power gets restored |
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| 23:40.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/boo/bo/ |
| 23:41.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | allowed hardware mods: slaughter a mouse to wire the door chime button to the mouse button switch |
| 23:42.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure on N900 I had chosen different input method |
| 23:42.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | like hold button on headset |
| 23:43.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | but a N900 was too expensive for that job |
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| 23:50.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: may i suggest hooking up a physical bell to the door? |
| 23:50.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I said "kinda like" |
| 23:50.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | did I? |
| 23:51.02 | FIQ | lol |
| 23:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus the random part is essential |
| 23:51.30 | kerio | btw, why slaughter a mouse and not a keyboard? |
| 23:51.43 | FIQ | umm what's this about? |
| 23:51.54 | FIQ | a random doorbell tune? |
| 23:52.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | also retriggerability and general finegrained control over behaviour in niche cases is important |
| 23:52.27 | kerio | may i suggest hooking up the kinda like door to a double pendulum that hits tiny bells in a random order |
| 23:52.57 | FIQ | one of my relatives actually have random tunes playing when you doorbell |
| 23:52.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's about a advert poster that plays random messages when PIR motion detectors show somebody is near |
| 23:53.12 | FIQ | mhm |
| 23:53.34 | FIQ | sounds more advanced than the above then |
| 23:53.55 | kerio | (also, where is a n900 more expensive than a laptop? :o) |
| 23:54.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: the guy managing this acted prematurely, or he already had a mouse laying around, and he also thought a mouse is "mechanically simpler to handle" than a kbd with its matrix and stuff |
| 23:54.03 | kerio | (as in :o and then ) |
| 23:54.29 | FIQ | kerio: old used laptops (which I guess would fit this purpose) probably cost less |
| 23:54.43 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: fair 'nuff |
| 23:54.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: exactly |
| 23:54.46 | FIQ | and they're easier to get on hold of to... |
| 23:55.23 | FIQ | *too |
| 23:56.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might have to deal with up to 4 or 5 PIR sensors, to detect approach as well as wandering off of visitors |
| 23:56.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have to handel multiple visitors |
| 23:56.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have to handle timeouts to avoid endless loops when bulks of 100s of visiotrs pass by |
| 23:57.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | there might be even requirements about the not so random randomness |
| 23:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | like "text C never must follow on text A" |
| 23:58.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | end user might want to chanhe textx "on the fly" |
| 23:58.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | change* |
| 23:59.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | there might be mandatory pause times between texts |
| 23:59.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | (which is easy to accomplish with silent recorting tailing the text in *.wav, but I can think of more elegant ways to implement it) |