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| 00:53.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | *yawn* |
| 01:20.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack |
| 01:20.23 | infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 01:20.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~status |
| 01:20.30 | infobot | Since Wed Apr 10 18:42:41 2013, there have been 25 modifications, 433 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 156 commands. I have been awake for 12d 6h 37m 49s this session, and currently reference 119037 factoids. I'm using about 24056 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3280.93/63.63 child 0.01/0 |
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| 09:49.02 | Drathir | how often is update ca certs in maemo? |
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| 10:19.44 | andre__ | Drathir: never? :) |
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| 11:16.38 | freemangordon | andre__: hmm? http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/maemo-security-certman/commits/master |
| 11:17.46 | Drathir | andre__: thats hurt... |
| 11:20.29 | Drathir | freemangordon: tis included in cssu trees? |
| 11:21.19 | Drathir | *this included in all cssu trees? |
| 11:21.24 | freemangordon | Drathir: CSSU-thumb and CSSU-T 7.2 have the latest version, CSSU-stable is behind. Though I hope there will be a new update soon |
| 11:21.46 | freemangordon | Drathir: look at the changelogs |
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| 11:24.11 | Drathir | freemangordon: thanks a lot... i must really think about move to thumb tree, and check how much stable it is... |
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| 12:26.12 | XATRIX | Hi guys, is there any other navigation software for maemo ? |
| 12:26.31 | XATRIX | Or only Nokia Maps ? |
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| 12:33.08 | XATRIX | hm... really nice app as for linux |
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| 13:03.48 | andre__ | freemangordon, if people ask for CSSU, then yes. I think I'm never sure what "Maemo" means :) |
| 13:04.18 | andre__ | XATRIX, http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/navigation/ , http://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools |
| 13:04.33 | andre__ | first two results on an internet search engine... |
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| 18:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] could all of you please provide a tad of feedback about elections? We sent out token/ballot mails 2 days ago, you're supposed to have received such a mail if you're elicible to vote. Referendum voting is open since several hours now, I already voted. Anybody else? |
| 18:24.14 | kerio | i don't have the ballot i think |
| 18:26.21 | kerio | confirmed |
| 18:26.23 | kerio | i don't have the ballot D: |
| 18:29.35 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: who do i complain to? |
| 18:30.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | send a mail to council@m.o CC techstaff@m.o please |
| 18:30.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | check your garage account's email addr and the spam folder therein |
| 18:31.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | often poeple don't even know where their garage account points mails to |
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| 18:35.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | so A) check your garage account's eamil setting B) check that email account if it's active and maybe has spamfiltered the ballot mail C) write a mail to council & techstaff as above, preferably from that account garage points to, and mention clearly what's your garage account (URL/nick) and that you checked the aforementioned points and you want a ballot sent to you. Subject: "elections token mail missing" |
| 18:35.46 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is "missing election token" ok? i already sent it |
| 18:35.59 | kerio | garage account clearly stated |
| 18:36.32 | kerio | ooh, i didn't have "I wish to receive emails from the community" enabled :s |
| 18:37.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | once we receive that mail, we can check if we tried to send a mail to you (or you maybe weren't eligible during last election, that we used as basis for current election's electorate), we can check if such mail bounced, and we can add you to electorate if you were missing during last election |
| 18:37.37 | kerio | i think i was just missing during the last election |
| 18:37.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I think that shouldn't stop voting email |
| 18:37.40 | kerio | because i wasn't eligible to vote yet |
| 18:38.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | then we hope to get you in our next batch which catches all those who were'n eligable to vote during last election |
| 18:38.40 | kerio | oh, i just realized it |
| 18:38.45 | kerio | sending a ton of emails is /hard/ |
| 18:38.56 | kerio | you risk getting flagged for spam and shit like that |
| 18:39.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | that 'late' batch should be no more than a few hundered users, and to make sure you're encouraged to send aforementioned mail anyway |
| 18:39.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, kerio. Exactly |
| 18:40.28 | kerio | you can't just put 600 people in BCC, can you |
| 18:40.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 18:41.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | those are unique mails |
| 18:41.07 | kerio | oh right |
| 18:41.15 | kerio | weeeeell |
| 18:41.21 | kerio | hm |
| 18:41.27 | kerio | i also realized that online voting is hard, too |
| 18:42.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619a mentioned there's supposed to exist a web interface where you can ask for voting machine resending your ballot to your current garage mail account. I don't know if such interface already exists and works |
| 18:43.21 | Woody14619a | IT does, but only for people with an already valid token. |
| 18:43.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, sure |
| 18:43.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you share the URL? |
| 18:43.47 | Woody14619a | Think I just got the kink worked out to update karma from tmo at least in voting booth. |
| 18:44.05 | Woody14619a | the link is on the vote page. A button on the vote page for that election called "Get Token". |
| 18:44.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr? on the vote page? |
| 18:44.44 | Woody14619a | yup... where it askes you to login with your token |
| 18:44.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | you have to sign in on the vote page |
| 18:44.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 18:46.42 | kerio | does this mean that we have to trust Woody14619a for the election? |
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| 18:47.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | woody, we announced we'll allow *everybody* to vote this time, since services were borked during a significant period of time. So shouldn't everybody be able to request a token mail that way (as long as the email addr you use there to identify is in line with your garage account) |
| 18:47.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: no, we're checking what woody does |
| 18:48.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: basically everything gets done in public, so everybody can see what's going on |
| 18:48.13 | kerio | i wonder if a decentralized system is doable |
| 18:49.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just announced that you are supposed to have received your token mail and I explained what to do when you haven't |
| 18:49.16 | kerio | no, i meant in theory |
| 18:49.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing you need to trust anybody in for that |
| 18:49.57 | kerio | like, how do you make anonymous voting that's also restricted according to certain criteria? |
| 18:50.08 | kerio | in a decentralized way, i mean |
| 18:50.28 | Woody14619a | It's done... has been for ages. We're using the same system we have for past 8 years. |
| 18:50.51 | Woody14619a | 98% of changes I've made have been to change what was manual SQL commands into a web interface. |
| 18:51.37 | Woody14619a | I'll be documenting it more thuroghly after the vote.. but for now, need to work on vote to get ballots out to people. |
| 18:53.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619a: could we simply create and send a ballot mail for anybody that has a garage account (since 3 months) and is using the "Get Token" link on voting page? |
| 18:53.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | automatically |
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| 18:54.28 | Woody14619a | not as it stands right now. I thought we were going for the karam >10 as computed still, which is why I was working on the computational fixer... which is now almost done and I'm planning to run on test table. |
| 18:55.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I clearly explained we don't use the karma limit this time, we decided on it in a council meeting and we published it that way in elections announcement, |
| 18:56.41 | kerio | see, nobody actually reads tmo :P |
| 18:57.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | it been annouced in identical wordin on community ML |
| 18:57.44 | Woody14619a | Problem with that is, it needs to then pull their acct into voting table.. make a token, and mail it to them as part of that. :P Doable, but not that easy. |
| 18:58.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | then add a automatic "echo $mailadd >> list-of-tokens-to-send" to that "Get Token" button, please |
| 18:59.02 | Woody14619a | that part is already done. |
| 18:59.30 | Woody14619a | The problem is, it's looking for the user in the electorat table (of 5K) not the full user table (of 60K) |
| 18:59.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | we need to send out that second batch RSN |
| 19:00.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | and we need a standard way for users to request a token when we missed out on them in our two batches we sent |
| 19:00.23 | Woody14619a | k, so.. let me be clear on what's desired here. |
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| 19:00.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | let me difine it once more |
| 19:01.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | we send a token to all users who got one last time |
| 19:01.20 | Woody14619a | that part's done. :) |
| 19:01.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | in addition to those who earned enough karma during last 6 months (since you now fixed that part) |
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| 19:02.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | in addition to those who ask for it |
| 19:02.32 | Woody14619a | that's the part I'm working on. |
| 19:02.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | to ALL those who ask for it |
| 19:02.53 | Woody14619a | Even those who created in < 3 months? |
| 19:03.08 | Woody14619a | And with anchient accounts that we know have no karma? |
| 19:03.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, since they might have been blocked to create an account >3 months ago |
| 19:03.40 | Woody14619a | So long as they have a garage/m.o account... |
| 19:03.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | we however don't send to those who have opened an account <2weeks ago |
| 19:03.48 | Woody14619a | But they have to know to go get it... hmmm. |
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| 19:04.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | those who are asking for a token but have a really fresh account will get manual review |
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| 19:05.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | our election announcement suggested to send a mail to council to ask for a token in case you didn't get any but think you should get one |
| 19:05.31 | Woody14619a | ?? It's either manual or auto... I can't do both. But there is a way now for Council to move someone "manually" from garage list to voter list. |
| 19:05.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's fine |
| 19:05.54 | Woody14619a | k. |
| 19:06.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc qwazix said he'd be able to collect and process all inquiry mails to council |
| 19:06.48 | Woody14619a | but will still have to make a token for them and mail it... working on that part too, as part of the make/mail/clone from id# on. |
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| 19:07.14 | Woody14619a | k. Will mail Council with info on that process once batch 2 is out the door. |
| 19:08.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | but none of us has a clue *how* to proceed to get those tokens created and sent from the list we comiled from our inquiry mails to council |
| 19:08.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | so we need YOU to provide the tools so we can do that |
| 19:09.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you process that list of tokens to generate and send |
| 19:09.17 | Woody14619a | yes, I know... As I said I'll mail Council with that once batch 2 is out and that interface is solid. |
| 19:09.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | that we derved from council inquiry mails |
| 19:09.29 | Woody14619a | I'm using that tool set to make/process batch 2. |
| 19:09.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) \o/ |
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| 19:12.58 | sixwheeledbeast | <<(19:23:00) DocScrutinizer05: [general notice] could all of you please provide a tad of feedback about elections? Referendum voting is open since several hours now, I already voted. >> Thank you for the reminder I shall do that now. |
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| 19:13.21 | sixwheeledbeast | Worth noting above in IRC topic? |
| 19:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | why not, seems reasonable |
| 19:13.48 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 19:15.30 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer05 -> REFERENDUM VOTE OPEN! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89711 || Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
| 19:15.43 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 19:16.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | time for a second coffee |
| 19:16.37 | kerio | ~merlin1991 |
| 19:16.37 | infobot | rumour has it, merlin1991 is the secret master of CSSU |
| 19:17.04 | kerio | ~literal merlin1991 |
| 19:17.04 | infobot | "merlin1991" is "the secret master of CSSU" |
| 19:17.23 | kerio | infobot: no, merlin1991 is the secret master of CSSU: <merlin1991> I'd rather finally shit a new -testing and fix the last repo issues |
| 19:17.23 | infobot | kerio: please, watch your language. |
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| 19:17.41 | kerio | oh come on, it's a direct quote |
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| 19:18.56 | merlin1991 | kerio: thanks :/ |
| 19:19.54 | kerio | i don't think it accepted the edit, anyway |
| 19:20.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: don't edit factoids owned by others |
| 19:20.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo merlin1991 |
| 19:20.54 | infobot | merlin1991 -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Tue Jul 3 23:04:19 2012 (293 days); it has been requested 8 times, last by kerio, 4m 17s ago. |
| 19:21.08 | kerio | but it was hilarious! |
| 19:21.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | you MUST NOT edit factoids that are owned by other users - those are factoids based on one of their registered nicks |
| 19:23.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: (edit and) ~lock merlin1991 |
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| 19:24.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | only <nick> can ~lock <nick> |
| 19:25.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | (and I can ;-D ) |
| 19:25.24 | fw190 | i have the token |
| 19:25.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 19:25.57 | fw190 | just voted |
| 19:26.19 | fw190 | yes |
| 19:26.30 | fw190 | :) |
| 19:26.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 19:27.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | the number of 'no' votes will be an idicater for me to guess how braindamaged and rotten maemo community actually is |
| 19:28.10 | fw190 | then I'm saved |
| 19:28.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope for 0..3 no votes |
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| 19:28.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | as for the usual number of misclicks/trolls |
| 19:30.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | a NO would basically mean "I raised my concerns in the discussion thread but nobody bothered to even listen. So I don't think the discussion period been done in a correct way" |
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| 19:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | or it could mean "I'm a troll and want maemo to collapse and vanish into oblivion" |
| 19:33.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | fw190: thanks for feedback, and of course many thanks for actually voting! |
| 19:34.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | please keep your ballot/token and vote for the council elections as well |
| 19:34.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | they start in a week |
| 19:38.11 | fw190 | no problem Doc afterall I want the maemo to live |
| 19:41.08 | Pali | jacekowski: ping |
| 19:43.39 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you have a tarball of the rootfs from the fiasco image? |
| 19:43.51 | kerio | i'm on something that doesn't speak ubifs at all |
| 19:44.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, not really |
| 19:44.04 | sixwheeledbeast | See it was a good idea to update /topic :) |
| 19:47.45 | sixwheeledbeast | Er ... you can vote for YES and NO, not normal :-/ |
| 19:49.02 | Woody14619a | Only first vote is counted... |
| 19:49.26 | Woody14619a | for referendums, you can still have run-off voting if there are more than 2 options. |
| 19:49.46 | Woody14619a | So interface always allows multi-choice. Even when it doesn't make sense to. |
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| 19:50.12 | kgu | I would still recommend the elections to also be announced on http://maemo.org |
| 19:51.58 | sixwheeledbeast | I assumed this would be the case, but it's odd having multiple choice to a YES/NO question, lol. |
| 19:54.11 | fw190 | could there be a banner on tmo about voting? |
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| 19:54.54 | Pali | ~seen jacekowski |
| 19:54.58 | infobot | jacekowski is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 34 messages. Is idling for 6d 5h 36m 25s, last said: 'it worked and now you have two incompatible implementations of same thing'. |
| 20:04.05 | kgu | where is the YES/No poll? |
| 20:06.11 | kerio | yes/no/file_not_found |
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| 20:15.50 | kgu | heh, seems Referendum and Election details are lost to me on tmo, since I don't have the time to read all posts. Why is it so complicated? Sorry for my stupidity |
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| 20:19.44 | kerio | kgu: vote yes on referendum, same candidates for hfc and mcc in the election |
| 20:21.09 | kgu | can't find the yes button.. :-/ |
| 20:21.32 | Woody14619a | kgu: It's not. It's updating the election rules to fix the 3/5 issue, and allow MCC to official represent to HiFo vs Nokia. With the hopes that soon down the road HFC == MCC (if not ===) |
| 20:21.45 | Woody14619a | kgu: make sure you have javascript turned on... |
| 20:22.31 | kerio | Woody14619a: will the merge then require a referendum? |
| 20:22.36 | kerio | or will it be a council thing? |
| 20:23.00 | Woody14619a | prob a referendum, as council lacks authority in rule set. |
| 20:23.52 | kgu | Is the voting-tool located some where in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89560? |
| 20:25.48 | kgu | I'm sorry - I really feel so stupid, but can't find it :( |
| 20:26.36 | Woody14619a | http://maemo.org/vote You need to have gotten a voting token. |
| 20:26.57 | Woody14619a | take it you are new to the community? |
| 20:27.06 | Woody14619a | eg. havent' voted before? |
| 20:28.05 | kgu | never voted before, and couldn't find no info in thread on howto |
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| 20:28.27 | Woody14619a | what is your garage/maemo.org user name |
| 20:30.04 | kgu | I'm only on tmo |
| 20:31.04 | Woody14619a | you should have a maemo.org account too. What's your tmo name? You should make an account now, if for no other reason than you need it to vote. |
| 20:31.19 | n900-dk | n900-dk |
| 20:46.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<kgu> I would still recommend the elections to also be announced on http://maemo.org)) absolutely! |
| 20:46.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas I have no idea how to change http://maemo.org and I don't even have an idea who would know how to do it |
| 20:47.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | you noticed "announcements" dates back to 2010? |
| 20:48.19 | GeneralAntilles | wonders |
| 20:48.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | "News" is empty for me |
| 20:48.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | "NOKIA Developer" looks .... obsolete |
| 20:48.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | as does "Cordia", kinda |
| 20:49.25 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, good, I still have access to Midgard. |
| 20:49.37 | GeneralAntilles | I can post an announcement if somebody wants to write one up. |
| 20:54.13 | Pali | it is not possible to use update TMO to use maemo.org account for login? |
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| 20:58.57 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, nokia developer still has some useful wiki articles about developing on maemo (which we might want to archive btw) |
| 20:59.19 | Pali | any idea how to archive it? |
| 20:59.53 | qwazix | Pali, no idea, (except archiving everything with a http crawler) |
| 21:01.02 | qwazix | Or just tell people to copy/paste to wmo when they stumble on articles, and hope that all useful info get copied before they delete it |
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| 21:06.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: (archive) yes, we do! |
| 21:06.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | (want) |
| 21:06.25 | qwazix | :nod: |
| 21:06.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's skeiron for that, first approach |
| 21:14.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | 174 results on http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Developer_Library.html ->search: "maemo" |
| 21:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno how much of that already got backup'd on skeiron |
| 21:16.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: please place a **FAT** election announcement on http://maemo.org (and eventually share the midgard admin login URL to techstaff) |
| 21:16.35 | GeneralAntilles | It's a privilege of your account |
| 21:16.40 | GeneralAntilles | It's not an admin URL |
| 21:16.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | which account? |
| 21:17.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 21:17.09 | GeneralAntilles | My personal account. |
| 21:17.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | the must be an URL of some kind |
| 21:17.20 | GeneralAntilles | Nope |
| 21:17.29 | GeneralAntilles | It's the Midgard toolbar that pops up when you login on maemo.org |
| 21:17.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr, so how else are you accessing it? via ssh? |
| 21:18.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh, so the URL is maemo.org, with JS enabled |
| 21:18.12 | Woody14619a | Yes, but that top bar changes quite a bit when you have privs... just saying. |
| 21:18.37 | Woody14619a | And depending on what area you're in... |
| 21:19.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I'm asking "which URL (aka area)?" |
| 21:19.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | NFC where to look and what to look for even |
| 21:19.45 | qwazix | GeneralAntilles, here's the banner I had made for the previous elections, if needed http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1189430&postcount=138 |
| 21:19.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might have all the privileges of Mr Kernigan and still wouldn't know how to edit |
| 21:20.05 | qwazix | Maybe chem|st could pop it up on tmo too... |
| 21:20.36 | xes | http://static.maemo.org:81/style_maemo2009/img/maemo.jpg |
| 21:20.49 | xes | put it in the logo ;) |
| 21:21.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could for sure grant myself whatever privileges I want, in midgard's friggin db |
| 21:21.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | still I need to know where to look for what, to see if it had any effect |
| 21:21.59 | Woody14619a | All changes happen in that top bar. By area I meant, for example, I have the ability to post in the "Community Blog" area. I do NOT have the ability to post in the main page area, nor the ability to edit layouts. |
| 21:22.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: OOOHF*CK! "beta"???? |
| 21:22.14 | Woody14619a | And admin should have that ability.. all in the top bar, everywhere. |
| 21:22.42 | n900-dk | IMO the referendum should also be highlighted in some way. |
| 21:22.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619a: fine, so I have to look for a "post2 button there? |
| 21:23.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | n900-dk: fine! where? |
| 21:23.08 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, it's still beta |
| 21:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, LOL |
| 21:23.31 | n900-dk | DocScrutinizer05: mo and tmo |
| 21:23.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather omega |
| 21:23.46 | qwazix | muahaha |
| 21:23.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | n900-dk: sorry, I don't know what highlight you mean |
| 21:24.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | inverse colors for background/foreground text on the word elections? |
| 21:24.50 | n900-dk | like 'please place a **FAT** election announcement' - same for referendum |
| 21:25.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, I subsumed referendum under elections |
| 21:26.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks :-) |
| 21:26.02 | n900-dk | ok, then we agree :) |
| 21:27.22 | GeneralAntilles | Forgot there's no preview. |
| 21:30.36 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/spring_2013_elections-referanda_voting/ |
| 21:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: I got a "article"->"edit" |
| 21:31.26 | GeneralAntilles | That'd be the one. |
| 21:31.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo.org > Home of the Maemo community > Edit |
| 21:31.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Edit Frontpage article: Home of the Maemo community |
| 21:31.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | URL name (internal) |
| 21:31.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Title * |
| 21:31.58 | GeneralAntilles | Object locked. :P |
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| 21:35.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow |
| 21:36.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | first news in ~4 years |
| 21:36.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, 2, to be fair |
| 21:36.38 | n900-dk | \o/ - keep them coming :) |
| 21:36.47 | Woody14619a | So... What I want is to get that menu to un-grey Website->Midgard Administration UI. :) |
| 21:36.59 | qwazix | funny, it gives me an option to "break the lock" |
| 21:37.22 | Woody14619a | Since that's where the plugin crap is likely screwed... (amoung other places.) |
| 21:37.26 | n900-dk | how long will it take for new maemo.org account to be able to request for vote token? |
| 21:37.51 | Woody14619a | Until I finish the option to add it. |
| 21:38.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf everything locked by Ryan abel?! |
| 21:38.11 | qwazix | btw, This object was locked by Joerg Reisenweber. Lock will expire on 04/23/13 22:34:37. |
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| 21:38.20 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, ^^ |
| 21:38.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 21:38.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | midgard my ass |
| 21:38.30 | GeneralAntilles | Goddamn Midgard is obnoxious |
| 21:38.41 | GeneralAntilles | Logging out. . . . |
| 21:38.58 | Pali | look here: http://maemo.org/packages/__ais/help/org.maemo.packages/handlers/ |
| 21:39.12 | Pali | there are some urls for package manipulation |
| 21:39.16 | GeneralAntilles | Woody14619a, mine's ungrayed, but I don't have access to anything I can make sense of in the Administration UI. . . . |
| 21:39.20 | sixwheeledbeast | It's not in the "News" section, more buried in the Announcement section. |
| 21:39.38 | GeneralAntilles | sixwheeledbeast, the News component is broken, sorry. |
| 21:39.48 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think anybody here has the permissions needed to fix it. |
| 21:40.18 | sixwheeledbeast | It's no problem thought I'd point out it only has small real estate on m.o main page |
| 21:40.20 | Woody14619a | I think it's less a permissions issue than it is a know-how issue. Midgard is not exactly well documented. |
| 21:40.57 | Woody14619a | Esp not the old version we're running. |
| 21:42.21 | GeneralAntilles | That, too. |
| 21:42.36 | GeneralAntilles | I'd dig around more to see if I can get to the News stuff, but I might lock everybody out forever. :D |
| 21:42.45 | Pali | wow, I found this: http://maemo.org/packages/repository/edit/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/ |
| 21:42.53 | GeneralAntilles | Be nice if we could upgrade. |
| 21:43.34 | qwazix | Pali, wow |
| 21:44.25 | freemangordon | hmm, and why am I allowd to edit it? |
| 21:44.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I added "news" item |
| 21:44.32 | qwazix | Who has permissions to this? Everything seems editable to me. |
| 21:44.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | crappy, admittedly |
| 21:44.46 | Pali | qwazix, me too |
| 21:45.00 | qwazix | Shit, and now it's on the irclog |
| 21:45.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | are you guys nuts? |
| 21:45.22 | freemangordon | oops |
| 21:45.26 | qwazix | One can nuke our repos |
| 21:45.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah great!!! |
| 21:45.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly!! |
| 21:45.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | you suckers! |
| 21:47.08 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: security by obscurity? |
| 21:48.05 | Pali | we can change how many score is needed to promote extras-testing package :D |
| 21:48.57 | qwazix | I found this "The Ragnaroek LTS generation of Midgard is supported until October 1st 2013. " |
| 21:50.51 | n900-dk | Could date and time be added to the mo news "Referendum Voting Open"? |
| 21:51.18 | qwazix | Okay, is there a way to redact the url from the irclog? |
| 21:51.44 | qwazix | Because there doesn't seem to be a way to lock that page, edit metadata throws 404 |
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| 21:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, sorry, I had to stop www |
| 21:57.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | great job! |
| 22:01.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | techstaff tries to find a way out of this mess |
| 22:01.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks to all who contributed |
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| 22:16.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for +q |
| 22:17.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | had to stop some users from typing without thinking |
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| 22:26.33 | n900-dk | guess voting is on pause then :) I will get back to it tomorrow |
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| 22:35.44 | Macer | hm |
| 22:35.50 | Macer | what type of video does the n900 support? |
| 22:35.56 | Macer | just typical h264? |
| 22:35.59 | Macer | aac? |
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| 22:41.08 | aaah | my n900 won't boot |
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| 22:41.14 | aaah | i had it turned off and plugged into the wall |
| 22:41.21 | aaah | i guess that's what caused it? |
| 22:41.28 | aaah | it won't even turn on |
| 22:41.45 | aaah | i just see a little yellowish colored light when i plug it into the wall, momentarily |
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| 22:46.24 | mrsellout | qwazix, re:midgard. I read that line about support ending in Oct 2013, but that contradicts the midgard website... |
| 22:46.31 | Macer | how does the pay by the day work for tmobile? anybody know? |
| 22:46.37 | Macer | i mean do they go by minutes? |
| 22:46.41 | Macer | like if you talk ? :) |
| 22:46.47 | qwazix | mrsellout, what does the website say? |
| 22:46.50 | mrsellout | Midgard1 8.09 Ragnaroek LTS is a Long Term Support version of Midgard1 for which bug fixes and minor feature improvements will be supplied by the Midgard community until October 2012. |
| 22:46.59 | mrsellout | http://midgard-project.org/midgard1/ |
| 22:47.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah: you probably ruined your rootfs |
| 22:47.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | the device tries to boot into cherging mode and hangs on it |
| 22:48.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | charging even |
| 22:48.08 | mrsellout | I've been thinking about setting up a wiki page, as quite a bit of the infra is running on older s/w |
| 22:48.57 | Macer | nice |
| 22:49.04 | mrsellout | now some updates might well be unnecessary, but there will probably be some that contain security fixes |
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| 22:49.09 | Macer | going to wait to activate this 2nd sim .. i will do it when my heart monitor shows up for the e7 heh |
| 22:49.47 | qwazix | mrsellout, :nod: |
| 22:49.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah: your probelm would be that you can't reflash your rootfs without charged battery, and you can't charge your battery (in N900, usually) without working rootfs |
| 22:50.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | mrsellout: great spotting! |
| 22:50.09 | Macer | heh |
| 22:50.31 | Macer | damn. i forgot fmobi is broken on the n900 lol |
| 22:50.49 | mrsellout | obviously some poor sod would have to carry out those updates |
| 22:51.11 | mrsellout | *looks at DocScrutinizer05 * |
| 22:51.34 | aaah | so, what do you recommend doing, docscrutinizer05? |
| 22:52.57 | qwazix | aaah, if you can find an external charger, nokia 5800, nokia X6 or nokia N810 (probably other models too) you can charge your battery externally |
| 22:53.02 | qwazix | and then reflash\ |
| 22:53.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | get an external charger, or a bl-5j compatible phone, and charge battery. OR get a new charged battery (spare never is a bad thing to have), OR wait for somebody talking you thru a yet untested method to charge flat battery via rescueOS |
| 22:53.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, qwazix beat me to it |
| 22:53.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | though N810 doesn't work too good |
| 22:54.30 | qwazix | N810 takes a bigger battery but works and charges fine with N900 battery |
| 22:54.51 | qwazix | you just have to make sure battery doesn't leave it's place |
| 22:55.43 | aaah | i really wish i'd never bought this phone |
| 22:55.57 | qwazix | (now that I remember DocScrutinizer05 is right, -as always-, I had to shave off a little bit of plastic to make it fit) |
| 22:56.28 | kerio | aaah: did you buy it recently? |
| 22:56.32 | aaah | yes |
| 22:56.41 | aaah | it's brand new |
| 22:56.44 | aaah | i still have the box |
| 22:56.54 | aaah | i will gladly sell it |
| 22:57.01 | aaah | i bought it for $200 |
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| 23:03.22 | aaah | if i don't have rescueOS i can't do options 1 or 2, can i, docscrutinizer05? |
| 23:03.34 | aaah | i basically need to find a compatible phone or battery... |
| 23:03.38 | aaah | ugh... what a headache |
| 23:03.41 | Woody14619a | so |
| 23:03.48 | Macer | damn |
| 23:03.59 | Macer | fmobi is still broken |
| 23:03.59 | Macer | fail |
| 23:04.10 | Macer | guess this is what you get when running obsolete stuff :) |
| 23:08.12 | kerio | aaah: rescueOS is loaded via usb |
| 23:10.02 | aaah | sorry, i'm just so pissed off about this stupid piece of shit toy linux phone, i can't even talk about how i'm going to fix this... i might as well get off IRC because all i want to do now is trash talk the n900... |
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| 23:23.48 | Macer | heh |
| 23:23.49 | Macer | ah well |
| 23:23.56 | Macer | guess i can do the facebook sms shit |
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| 23:29.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah ragequit, embarrassed by own fuckup of his rootfs |
| 23:29.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy |
| 23:30.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | first those lusers go like "OOOH! GIMME that stupid piece of shit toy linux phone, so I can mess with it!" Then when they fucked up, they are "so pissed off about this stupid piece of shit toy linux phone" *SIGH* |
| 23:31.22 | nox- | well, charging dependent on working install is not so nice a feature id say... |
| 23:32.05 | nox- | imagine a laptop that wont changer if windows doesnt boot... |
| 23:32.10 | nox- | charge |
| 23:32.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | granted. Nevertheless ame never happened to me during 4 yeras, on 2 active 24/7 devices |
| 23:32.37 | nox- | ...and that wont work w battery taken out |
| 23:33.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | go nuke the bios of that notebook and you'll see that other devices have similr bootstrapping problems |
| 23:33.22 | nox- | hah |
| 23:34.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're not supposed to nuke your bios on laptop, and you're not supposed to nuke the rootfs of your N900 |
| 23:34.26 | Macer | ~handbrake |
| 23:34.26 | infobot | hmm... handbrake is a GPL'd multi-platform, heavily multithreaded DVD to MPEG-4 ripper/converter. HandBrake was originally available on the BeOS, but now has been ported over to MacOS X (with GUI) and to GNU/Linux (CLI only). |
| 23:34.28 | nox- | except that the latter happens easier than the former |
| 23:34.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | unlike your laptop, N900 can always recover |
| 23:34.45 | Macer | is there some info on video settings for hb? |
| 23:34.59 | Macer | ie: what to scale the videos to etc? |
| 23:35.51 | Macer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding |
| 23:35.53 | Macer | wow |
| 23:37.14 | Macer | 800x448 |
| 23:37.25 | Macer | doesn't the video player have a "stretch" optino? |
| 23:38.52 | Macer | so just turn off weighted p-frames |
| 23:39.03 | Macer | and encode it at its max res and i should be good? |
| 23:39.05 | Macer | let me try it :) |
| 23:40.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | anybody else thinks "TMO IS DEAD"? |
| 23:42.12 | Macer | i wouldn't say that |
| 23:42.18 | Macer | i thought it was a bit active tbh |
| 23:43.08 | Macer | although... maemo.org in general has gone incredibly slow since the move. no offense. just seems a bit laggy |
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