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| 01:53.01 | raid_ | if i can't get 2-factor auth working on the n900, then it might be finally over |
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| 01:53.54 | raid_ | any recommendations on phones? |
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| 01:57.52 | bef0rd | uhm |
| 01:57.59 | bef0rd | didn't you get it working last week? |
| 01:58.04 | bef0rd | and documented it on TMO? |
| 01:58.19 | raid_ | it's not working anymore |
| 01:58.25 | bef0rd | oh :/ |
| 01:58.38 | raid_ | neither is the example that guy posted on the thread |
| 01:58.49 | raid_ | it might work for google, but not for other sites |
| 01:59.16 | raid_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1334927#post1334927 |
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| 07:47.24 | vi__ | who here can speak Italian? |
| 07:47.32 | vi__ | kerio: You are Italian right? |
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| 08:38.35 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | hi, where do I find the official images for the n900 for reflashing it |
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| 08:41.44 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | it's been months that I asked |
| 08:41.54 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | I was told to come back later |
| 08:42.20 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | because there is something like nokia to community infrastructure migration |
| 08:42.23 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | I'm back |
| 08:42.28 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | maybe the address changed? |
| 08:43.14 | vi__ | I have no idea. I kept my own copies so I would never be stuck without. |
| 08:43.19 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | ok |
| 08:44.20 | fizzie | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ is I think the mirror I've seen people talk about on channel. |
| 08:44.30 | fizzie | (That's the sum total of my knowledge about the topic.) |
| 08:44.48 | GNUtoo-N71JQ | thanks a lot |
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| 12:50.55 | Macer | anybody know of some good bug tracking style software that can be modified for industrial health and safety issues? |
| 12:51.34 | r00t|home | on maemo?! |
| 12:52.07 | rikanee | r00t|home: Well, don't let platform support stop him for using it for SCADA! |
| 12:52.16 | rikanee | Isn't bugzilla a good candidate? |
| 12:52.28 | jacekowski | Macer: flyspray? |
| 12:53.07 | Macer | i guess |
| 12:53.18 | Macer | i just need something that can be modified enough as to make custom areas :) |
| 12:53.22 | Macer | but i guess any its would do huh? |
| 12:53.34 | jacekowski | flyspray is great |
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| 13:30.02 | vi__ | Hey |
| 13:30.15 | vi__ | Is there some kind of alternative to m$ visual studio? |
| 13:30.16 | Cor-Ai | no |
| 13:30.23 | Cor-Ai | :D |
| 13:30.43 | Cor-Ai | not this window i wantede! sry! dont mind me! |
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| 13:34.21 | rikanee | vi__: Eclipse (lol) |
| 13:39.45 | Pali | ccxCZ: ping |
| 13:39.45 | Pali | vi__: Qt Creator |
| 13:39.45 | Pali | vi__: or KDevelop |
| 13:39.46 | Pali | vi__: or vim + makefile + gcc + gdb + valgrind (but only for linux) :-) |
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| 13:52.51 | Pali | ccxCZ: that 0xFFFF bug which you reported is fixed now (in git) |
| 13:53.06 | Pali | I was able to debug and it |
| 13:53.37 | Pali | if there are no other reported bugs I will release new version of 0xFFFF which will be stable |
| 13:58.47 | ccxCZ | Pali: pong |
| 13:58.53 | ccxCZ | nice |
| 13:59.15 | Pali | are you going to test 0xFFFF? |
| 13:59.16 | ccxCZ | just got my external charger this weekend, so I might try again :-) |
| 13:59.46 | ccxCZ | first I'll have to debug why /dev/usb doesn't show on my laptop though |
| 14:00.12 | jacekowski | it shouldn't |
| 14:00.19 | jacekowski | there is no /dev/usb |
| 14:01.05 | Pali | there is /dev/bus/usb/ |
| 14:01.16 | ccxCZ | yeah, that's the one |
| 14:01.46 | rikanee | Pali: only dependency of 0xFFFF is libusb, right? |
| 14:01.49 | ccxCZ | replacement for older thing in sysfs iirc |
| 14:02.21 | Pali | rikanee, yes (gnu libc and gcc too...) |
| 14:03.12 | Pali | ccxCZ, it was somewhere in /proc/ |
| 14:03.19 | Pali | maybe you have broken udev |
| 14:03.27 | rikanee | ah. I'll try to build a static version for ARMel, and see if I can flash N900 from Android device (or even from iOS devices) |
| 14:03.37 | ccxCZ | maybe I have no udev :-) |
| 14:03.51 | Pali | rikanee, you should be able to do it |
| 14:03.53 | ccxCZ | been a while since I've tackled it so I forgot the proper paths |
| 14:03.57 | Pali | but I did not tested it |
| 14:04.25 | ccxCZ | but my other pc with the pretty much same userspace works, so I blame the kernel config |
| 14:04.35 | Pali | ccxCZ, then you need to create character devices yourself |
| 14:05.17 | ccxCZ | mdev on both machines, same config, should be at least |
| 14:05.32 | Pali | see if you have usb devices in /sys/bus/usb/devices/ |
| 14:05.46 | Pali | for each device entry there should be "dev" file |
| 14:06.00 | Pali | where is "major:minor" |
| 14:06.18 | Pali | which means major and minor number for character device in /dev/bus/usb |
| 14:07.00 | ccxCZ | yup, it's there |
| 14:07.15 | Pali | rikanee, 0xFFFF needs old (legacy) version of libusb, not version 1.0 |
| 14:07.34 | Pali | ccxCZ, so then mdev did not created character devices... |
| 14:07.38 | rikanee | Pali: ah, thanks for the heads-up. I was wondering why it didn't work on Archlinux. |
| 14:07.48 | ccxCZ | yeah, it's pretty weird |
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| 14:08.22 | Pali | rikanee, Skry already created 0xFFFF package in arch repository |
| 14:08.48 | ccxCZ | I need to set up some proper logging on the kernel hotplug handler |
| 14:09.22 | Pali | rikanee, you need arch package libusb-compat |
| 14:09.56 | rikanee | Got it. I thought the new libusb (libusbx?) was plain compatible with the old one. |
| 14:10.34 | Pali | no, new libusb 1.0 is incompatible with old libusb |
| 14:11.01 | Pali | libusbx should be compatible with libusb 1.0 (but again not with old libusb) |
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| 14:11.45 | jacekowski | that's the thing you love about linux |
| 14:11.53 | jacekowski | everything is incompatible |
| 14:12.24 | Pali | jacekowski, where is problem? |
| 14:12.33 | Pali | new libusb has another name |
| 14:12.40 | Pali | new libusb has new interface |
| 14:12.49 | jacekowski | but libusb 1.0 is incompatible with older versions |
| 14:12.54 | Pali | so you can have both libraries in system |
| 14:13.33 | Pali | jacekowski, old and new libusb are different implementation of userspace usb access |
| 14:14.04 | Pali | new libusb has cleaned api |
| 14:14.43 | Pali | I think this was good step. create new library which will have fixed API & ABI and rename it |
| 14:14.47 | jacekowski | incompatible API |
| 14:14.58 | jacekowski | no it wasn't |
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| 14:15.18 | jacekowski | it worked and now you have two incompatible implementations of same thing |
| 14:15.31 | Pali | and what will be better? using hacks in *new* applications because old libusb has some problems? |
| 14:16.01 | Pali | then we will have new windows |
| 14:16.39 | Pali | compatible with 16bit systems with all stupid winapi functions which have lot of deprecated arguments... |
| 14:18.33 | jacekowski | s/new\ windows/operating\ system\ that\ has\ most\ of\ the\ marketshare/ |
| 14:18.38 | rikanee | Pali: half the system is wasted on wrapper functions ;) |
| 14:19.34 | rikanee | There are actually just a handful of real DLL files needed by Windows itself, they're named "api-ms-win-something-something.dll", the rest is layers upon layers of compatibility hacks. |
| 14:20.35 | Pali | plus wrappers for other languages and VM... |
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| 14:27.45 | ccxCZ | wonders why mdev traverses /sys/class for coldplugging instead of /sys/devices |
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| 14:30.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: full ack |
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| 14:34.16 | vi__ | looks like I am using visual studio. The company would rather pay £800 to 'keep everything the same' than use something else. |
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| 14:45.13 | ccxCZ | at least there's vi mode for visual studio :-) |
| 14:46.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
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| 14:51.54 | rikanee | vi__, are you at least using VS 2008? |
| 14:52.04 | rikanee | 2010 and newer are slow as dog shit. |
| 15:01.12 | Pali | visual studio nor any other MS application does not have valgrind support |
| 15:01.39 | Pali | or application with valgrind features |
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| 15:08.01 | vi__ | I just downloaded visual studio c# express 2012. |
| 15:08.10 | vi__ | We shall see how this goes. |
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| 15:14.41 | vi__ | Who is a cheap courier service to get something shipped from germany to the UK? |
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| 15:20.52 | r00t|home | vi__: dhl? ;) |
| 15:23.41 | vi__ | TNT, 27euro. |
| 15:23.43 | vi__ | mmm |
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| 15:27.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I used M$-VS last time ~2000 and it wasn't that bad, for editor etc |
| 15:28.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | (ok, this been for VB. No comments please!) |
| 15:28.23 | vi__ | But I am able to send parcels TO Germany for only 15euro. What T F Germany? |
| 15:28.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | wheep a bit |
| 15:29.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | -h |
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| 15:30.14 | r00t|home | vi__: what's the size/weigt.... |
| 15:30.25 | r00t|home | *weight... |
| 15:30.33 | vi__ | 65*15*15cm @6kg |
| 15:30.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF UK - maybe the customs there are way more demanding |
| 15:31.10 | vi__ | It is widely known our customs and exercise are complete bastards. |
| 15:31.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | shipping a parcel isn't like a math algo that you can reverse |
| 15:31.25 | vi__ | A one way hash! |
| 15:32.48 | vi__ | UK customs will open your shit, charge you an extra 20%. The post office will pay this then have you pay £10 for the service. |
| 15:33.11 | vi__ | cost of your stuff+20%+£10. |
| 15:33.22 | r00t|home | <vi__> 65*15*15cm @6kg <--- 20eur with dhl... |
| 15:34.19 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm, got a friend that had a yoshi full system shipped from states and had the 20% sting. Still cheaper than buying in UK tho. |
| 15:34.20 | r00t|home | if it was 60cm and 5kg, 15eur |
| 15:35.12 | r00t|home | vi__: http://www.dhl.de/en/paket/pakete-versenden/weltweit-versenden/paket.html |
| 15:35.40 | vi__ | eh? |
| 15:35.54 | vi__ | according to dhl uk site it is £80. |
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| 15:36.09 | vi__ | Are you sure that is a Germany -> Uk parcel? |
| 15:36.38 | r00t|home | 80 pounds would be like max weight and size to some 3rd world country |
| 15:36.49 | r00t|home | the page i linked is in english |
| 15:37.34 | vi__ | I am reading it now. It is served from dhl.de. There appears to be no dhl.co.uk equivalent. |
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| 15:38.17 | r00t|home | i wasn't even serious about suggesting dhl... it's just what you get if you go to the post office here |
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| 15:39.20 | vi__ | It looks to be the cheapest so far, good suggestion. |
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| 15:41.46 | vi__ | The actual shock is only 40cm long. |
| 15:42.02 | vi__ | They should be able to wrap it <60cm |
| 15:42.30 | r00t|home | weight has to be <=5kg too to get into the cheaper class |
| 15:43.24 | vi__ | it is only 5euro more. |
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| 15:53.26 | r00t|home | vi__: it seems that dhl outside of germany only does express deliveries or business customers... which would be why it's so expensive on dhl.co.uk |
| 15:57.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ordering a DE->UK shipment in DE is probably much cheaper than ordering same stuff from UK |
| 15:57.15 | r00t|home | dhl's biggest competitor for private shipping inside germany... will ship to uk for 1eur less: https://www.myhermes.de/wps/portal/paket/Home/privatkunden/preise/paket ("Internationaler Versand") |
| 15:57.36 | vi__ | aaah, hermes. |
| 15:57.46 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer05: that too... and normally nobody would do the reverse anyway |
| 15:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ordering from UK was like "instruct UK parcel service to pick up at foreign location" |
| 15:58.25 | vi__ | Time to take chem|st up on his offer to assist with a DE purchase! |
| 15:58.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | hides |
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| 15:59.37 | r00t|home | indeed... all germans, hide! |
| 15:59.41 | r00t|home | <-- hides |
| 15:59.58 | vi__ | too late! |
| 16:00.02 | vi__ | I have your number now! |
| 16:00.26 | r00t|home | IP number, eh? |
| 16:01.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ever heard of VoIP? ;-P |
| 16:01.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | glares at his PC's speaker, waiting for it to start shouting commands |
| 16:03.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a unrelated sidenote: ISDN actually allws very finegrained remote control of each particular subsystem of your "phone", like microphone, speaker, earpiece, display... |
| 16:03.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | allows* (I've heard) |
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| 18:17.39 | kerio | vi__: i am italian, and i was also at the uni |
| 18:17.49 | kerio | what do you need to be translated? |
| 18:17.52 | kerio | and in which direction? |
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| 21:28.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 21:28.19 | infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51 |
| 21:32.37 | wxcafe | hmm |
| 21:36.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | ""Words guys like woody set up as laws? Where is the referendum on that? Few days discussion on a single thread, you missed, your fault, we rule now. Big FU to the community."" FFS how dull can a single brain get? |
| 21:37.58 | Woody14619 | ??? |
| 21:38.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | szopin |
| 21:38.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | hi Woody14619 |
| 21:39.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | every single word in this quote is BS |
| 21:39.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | EVERY! SINGLE! word |
| 21:39.57 | RST38h | including "a""an" and "the"? |
| 21:40.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
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| 21:42.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd like to anser: been this meddley selected for showing the post you had most trouble to undertsand a single word, or did you pick those sippets that would suffer maximum crippling of sense by posting them without context? |
| 21:43.05 | Woody14619 | Done |
| 21:49.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still can't decide which weapon to use |
| 21:50.24 | RST38h | So, gentlemen, are you talking about TMO posts, of all things? |
| 21:51.11 | RST38h | Any reason why anyone would discuss a tmo post in a semi-decent place like this one? |
| 21:53.13 | Woody14619 | Because it could have an actual impact on the community? Just a thought... |
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| 21:55.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I instructed HtheB to revert his thread teardown |
| 21:55.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's the worst thing you could do to this particular thread |
| 21:57.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | since when is bickering and fighting on tmo a reason to close a thread |
| 21:57.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | perticulrly one where really important stuff regarding community is "discussed" :-o |
| 21:58.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly* |
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| 22:39.44 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: in particular, we decided on let threads die on their own if they get offtopic far enough they get lost anyway... in this case it is gone to far 6 pages ago and fine to be closed... what I read on the last page reflects most of the offtopic discussion's continuous repeating page2page... |
| 22:40.20 | Woody14619 | The problem being that the last rant is by someone who doens't have a clue as to what's going on. |
| 22:40.36 | Woody14619 | And by closing with that, people will assume that it's correct. |
| 22:41.31 | Woody14619 | Had it been closed 6 posts before that, or truncated (including removing the tiny quick post I got in as a quick reply) that would be different. |
| 22:42.01 | chem|st | I could delete all but the starting post... |
| 22:42.08 | Woody14619 | Thus the reason I tend to quick-post these days.... To get something in to refute, just in case a thread closes before I can compose a well thought out reply. |
| 22:42.22 | chem|st | ? |
| 22:42.28 | chem|st | does that happen frequently? |
| 22:42.37 | chem|st | that is more of an issue for me |
| 22:42.59 | Woody14619 | I've had at least 3 times this month where I hit submit to find the thread was closed under me... so... I'm going to say yes. :) |
| 22:43.43 | Woody14619 | Though to be fair, those may have been the only three threads closed in the past month AFAIK. |
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| 22:45.17 | chem|st | Woody14619: I cut the firewood at the end for now |
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| 22:46.12 | Woody14619 | Thanks... Will go check in a second... browser is rebooting atm. :P Firefox V 20.0.1! Yay? |
| 22:47.26 | Woody14619 | Close enough. :) |
| 22:48.36 | chem|st | well you cannot delete all of it |
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| 22:48.58 | chem|st | steam is hard to catch! |
| 22:49.06 | chem|st | good night! |
| 22:49.10 | Woody14619 | agreed. :) Thanks again. |
| 22:49.31 | chem|st | next time try a sane discussion with HtheB |
| 22:49.49 | Woody14619 | I thought I did? :( |
| 22:49.50 | chem|st | I will talk to him about how he closed 2morrow |
| 22:50.02 | chem|st | not sane enough it seems |
| 22:50.36 | Woody14619 | Well, to be fair, I got no notice about anything.... The only moderation comment in the thread was yours that I saw. |
| 22:50.50 | Woody14619 | And I did try to keep the tone civil. |
| 22:51.10 | chem|st | ah no I ment directly not over the thread |
| 22:51.20 | chem|st | after he closed it |
| 22:51.50 | Woody14619 | Again, I did send a PM to him. I was more confused than anything, but... Guess I'll re-read and see if my tone was off. |
| 22:51.58 | Woody14619 | Wasn't intentional if it was... |
| 22:52.20 | chem|st | new moderators need to be petted the first month until they know not to bark at night not drink from the toilet and so on... |
| 22:52.44 | chem|st | *monthS |
| 22:52.49 | Woody14619 | lol. :) well. OK. |
| 22:53.24 | chem|st | both HtheB and thdead1440 get into it pretty strong at times |
| 22:53.27 | Woody14619 | To be fair, I don't know him, so... Which is why I questioned why he close it. I was hoping for dialog honeslt. |
| 22:53.46 | chem|st | dead found his way around pretty fast though |
| 22:53.47 | Woody14619 | (eg something like this) |
| 22:53.53 | Woody14619 | I noticed. ;) |
| 22:54.09 | Woody14619 | Yet he still won't run for Council.... :P |
| 22:54.26 | chem|st | needed a slap or two and is very good help with cleaning the mess |
| 22:55.30 | chem|st | I am 4 years in now... ran for council with no love once (was on vacation to be honest) |
| 22:55.45 | Woody14619 | Well... You know.... |
| 22:55.49 | chem|st | got vetted for cssu and talk... |
| 22:55.55 | Woody14619 | There is this election coming up.... just saying.... ;) |
| 22:56.04 | chem|st | and essential here is "got vetted" |
| 22:56.10 | Woody14619 | whistles and looks around at the ceiling... |
| 22:57.04 | chem|st | night! ;) |
| 22:59.04 | Woody14619 | night! :) |
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| 23:20.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe |
| 23:20.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I was a bit instructive in my post to him, though not particularly rude |
| 23:20.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | all fine with what we have now |
| 23:21.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | except for the genral insanity in this whole thread |
| 23:21.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that's just the mirror of insanity in situ |
| 23:25.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | believe it or not, this day gave me some hope |
| 23:25.51 | Woody14619 | how so? :) |
| 23:25.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | PM |
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| 23:52.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: pingpingping p ing p i n gpi ng p ing |
| 23:52.14 | GeneralAntilles | pong |
| 23:57.59 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, pong |
| 23:58.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | howdy!!! |