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| 01:21.04 | Snafu777 | So, I'm really bored, and in a creative mood |
| 01:21.09 | Snafu777 | I have an n900 in my pocket |
| 01:21.12 | Snafu777 | And im feeling hackish |
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| 02:27.30 | Sc0rpius | autobuilder and that stuff works or not yet? |
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| 03:11.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: test it, and tell us |
| 03:12.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems for some it actaully does work, otherwise there wouldn't be new packages |
| 03:32.41 | Sc0rpius | yeah that's what I thought |
| 03:33.56 | Sc0rpius | I'm testing it right now, at least it allowed me to login and upload |
| 03:34.03 | Sc0rpius | we'll see if it builds |
| 03:54.56 | Sc0rpius | yeah it built ok, I even received the mail |
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| 05:01.23 | tanago | thank you, sc0rpius :) |
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| 05:10.13 | AndrewX192 | I just had to repair my N900's USB port today, it charges just fine on my computer and HP TouchPad charger, but not on either one of my Nokia chargers, depspite using the same cable - any idea why? |
| 05:11.22 | kerio | you either need something with shorted D+/-, which means that the n900 will pull up to 1A, or a proper usb hosts to negotiate the current |
| 05:11.47 | AndrewX192 | What does the stock N900 charger do? |
| 05:14.33 | AndrewX192 | I fixed these points on my connector: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29047266/N900%20Stuff/USB%20Fix/USB%20Weakness.png |
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| 05:18.26 | AndrewX192 | Now it won't recognise any charger.. I probably have to reboot |
| 05:18.55 | AndrewX192 | (interestingly, data still works just fine - eg: I can tether to my computer) |
| 05:22.01 | kerio | charger detection is broken, maybe? |
| 05:52.30 | AndrewX192 | any way to fix that? |
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| 09:30.27 | Drathir | nokia charger proppably is broken... if charging connected to pc... |
| 09:48.34 | SpeedEvil | or plug |
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| 10:00.34 | louigi | guys, I changed my AGPS from supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com |
| 10:00.45 | louigi | it works now, but the accuracy is not so good |
| 10:00.53 | louigi | is there any way to improve it? |
| 10:00.56 | jacekowski | nothing to do with supl data |
| 10:01.06 | jacekowski | better signal |
| 10:01.18 | louigi | jacekowski, ah |
| 10:01.25 | louigi | what is supl data? |
| 10:01.36 | louigi | before I changed it to google I did not get ANY gps location |
| 10:01.48 | jacekowski | it's data that allows gps to lock faster |
| 10:02.02 | jacekowski | as in, seconds rather than 15 minutes it takes to download that data from the satellite |
| 10:02.57 | jacekowski | supl data basically says where the satellites are and their orbits and other info |
| 10:03.09 | jacekowski | and you either download it from internet or from the satellite |
| 10:03.22 | jacekowski | but download from satellite takes over 10 minutes |
| 10:03.42 | jacekowski | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_to_first_fix |
| 10:04.09 | jacekowski | basically with supl data each start is a hot start |
| 10:04.16 | Drathir | there is any update of builit in gprs reciver? |
| 10:04.18 | jacekowski | without, it's a cold start |
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| 10:05.16 | Drathir | firmware i mean... |
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| 10:06.38 | louigi | jacekowski, so there is no way to improve accuracy but to either wait or just move to a location with a better signal? |
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| 10:07.55 | Drathir | i have strange behaviours with gprs often signal gone or gprs connection aborting signal 2-3/5 in 2.5G |
| 10:09.57 | Drathir | in 3G and 3.5G mtr also dosnt work so good... where can be the reason of that behaviours? |
| 10:11.51 | Drathir | sometomes also cant connec anyway is network avaible... works then ifconfig phonet0 down two times and ifconfig phonet0 up |
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| 10:13.15 | Drathir | is possibility to gprs reciver is broken or fw is outdated? |
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| 13:18.21 | Macer | hm |
| 13:18.28 | Macer | i need to wipe the sd in the n900 without taking it out |
| 13:18.58 | Macer | thre's like an fdisk for it isn't there? |
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| 13:31.11 | Drathir | any solution for similar to shazam id app? |
| 13:31.34 | Drathir | Macer: dd? |
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| 13:32.45 | Drathir | Macer: secure wipe with dd normal with mkfs.ext4 but i think its sadly bugged... :/ |
| 13:33.03 | kerio | Macer: "like an fdisk"? what? |
| 13:34.31 | Drathir | fdisk -l is also inside system if card is not recognised check dmesg if phone see it or not... |
| 13:34.36 | Macer | kerio: heh |
| 13:34.49 | Macer | it's ok. i just pulled it out and popped it into another box |
| 13:35.11 | Macer | now i just have to figure out how to get the cam to not save stuff straight to the home dir :-/ |
| 13:35.28 | Macer | the videos are being stores blindly... i'm sure there is a setting somewhere |
| 13:35.50 | Macer | i only had an 8GB SD so i'm going to use that for a while for music |
| 13:36.01 | Macer | until i order a 32GB one for it :) |
| 13:36.02 | Drathir | inside camera view left down corner if good remember... |
| 13:36.14 | Macer | Drathir: yeah i'll check it out |
| 13:36.32 | Macer | i'm sure it can't be too hard to do ... but i did want to save to a specific dir but i'll see about that later |
| 13:36.56 | Drathir | second icon |
| 13:37.24 | Macer | after usb storage mode is disconnected does media player get updated? |
| 13:38.25 | Drathir | ok only two choises but you easly if good tink you can symlink directory where you want to save... |
| 13:40.07 | Drathir | no idea about update, but proppably yes because remount the partition i think but im not sure... |
| 13:40.16 | Macer | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009QZH7BU/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&keywords=32GB%20Micro%20sd&qid=1365860351&sr=8-5 |
| 13:40.19 | Macer | that should work right? |
| 13:40.55 | Macer | Ships in Certified Frustration-Free Packaging <- the real reason i want that one |
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| 13:43.40 | Macer | alrighty. i just ordered a 32GB SD for the new N900 heh |
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| 13:44.08 | Macer | i need the old 8GB one i'm using for testing nemo :) |
| 13:44.18 | Macer | on my old broken modem n900 heh |
| 13:45.47 | Drathir | Macer: i dont think so thats looks like sdxc? dont have sdhc mark... |
| 13:46.16 | Macer | points at the description |
| 13:46.20 | Drathir | sd hc I thats something new for me... |
| 13:46.39 | Macer | SanDisk Ultra 32 GB MicroSDHC Class 10 UHS-1 Memory Card with Adapter (SDSDQU-032G-AFFP-A) |
| 13:46.47 | Macer | heh |
| 13:46.55 | Macer | i think 64GB+ is sdxc |
| 13:47.22 | Macer | i don't think that the xc part is really a speed improvement as it is more so an addressing change to accomidate more space |
| 13:47.46 | Macer | i mean i'm sure thye will make them go faster but i don't think that is the main purpose of it |
| 13:47.54 | Drathir | yes true that isnt xc, but anyway looks little strange |
| 13:48.18 | Drathir | xc isnt backward compatibile if good remember... |
| 13:48.35 | Macer | no it isn't |
| 13:48.52 | Macer | but what i just bought is sdhc ;) |
| 13:49.02 | Macer | and if it isn't.. i'll jsut send it back heh |
| 13:49.50 | Drathir | or that sd hc I mean sd hc 1 = class 10 but will be strange description |
| 13:52.17 | Drathir | oh if can be send back you easy can test if it works or not... if i can please say me it works or not... |
| 13:55.10 | Drathir | Macer: how read that prices? what is real end price of that sd? |
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| 14:01.28 | Macer | $27US |
| 14:01.34 | Macer | that's how much i juts paid for it |
| 14:01.39 | Macer | just |
| 14:02.00 | Drathir | looks interesting for 32GB |
| 14:02.13 | Macer | yes. i thought it was rather cheap to be honest :) |
| 14:02.24 | Macer | even though they probably cost $0.05 to produce |
| 14:05.21 | Drathir | for critical data sandisk would be better, but for non critical all can be enough most of them works at samsung memory chip... |
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| 14:06.14 | Drathir | bigger one too usb pendrives... |
| 14:06.48 | eichi | hello. which navigation software do you use on maemo 5 in productive? |
| 14:07.42 | Drathir | nokia maps? |
| 14:11.21 | eichi | yeah I tried nokia maps and mapero. but nokia map works much better. it just slows down my n900 very much |
| 14:11.38 | tanago | use Navit |
| 14:11.46 | tanago | its the best GPS for N900 |
| 14:12.02 | tanago | offline routing its one of its main advantages |
| 14:13.08 | tanago | nokia maps/sygic would be awesome if they had newer maps, but without maps it's just 0 |
| 14:14.42 | eichi | hm. nokia maps shows me a new roundabout, which was created in the last 2 months here in germany... |
| 14:15.00 | eichi | I was suprised about that.. |
| 14:35.09 | Macer | wth |
| 14:35.15 | Macer | why doesn't maemo detect music on my sd? |
| 14:35.32 | Macer | i figured the media player daemon would have reinitialized the music |
| 14:35.34 | Macer | and saw it on the SD |
| 14:37.09 | Macer | stares at this thing after a reboot |
| 14:37.53 | Macer | oh there it goes |
| 14:40.31 | Macer | why does the bt audio sound lower than my e7 |
| 14:40.38 | Macer | is there a sound eq somewhere? |
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| 15:00.43 | ShadowJK | volume buttons adjust sound for me when using bt |
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| 15:09.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | [maintenance notice] preparing a snapshot of vcs/drop, which implies pausing the VM |
| 15:09.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | we'll be back to normal in a few minutes |
| 15:17.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | vcs unpaused/resumed |
| 15:22.12 | RST38h | moos |
| 15:26.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | remoos |
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| 15:29.14 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: something big comming? |
| 15:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah |
| 15:29.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're sanitizing mess |
| 15:30.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski asked me to do a full backup/clone of drop, since he wants to go hamuk on it |
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| 15:32.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess that's regarding autobuilder details, and/or numeric userID/groupID, and/or migrating from /etc/passwd based user auth to postgreSQL based auth |
| 15:35.58 | Drathir | btw ipv6 issue is on hosting side? |
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| 15:39.17 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: if its not a secret someone recover your properly acces right? i will be freq scared with that happen to me... :/ |
| 15:40.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: please rephrase |
| 15:42.03 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: if good remember few days ago you cant acces to some of files on server because someone or somthing change group with this files was associated... all back to norm now? |
| 15:42.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, that been an issue with NFS mounts. Nothing related to my access to any machine, I got proper root access to everything |
| 15:43.49 | Drathir | i will be really scared with similar situation happen to me... |
| 15:44.19 | Drathir | i will be really scared,if similar situation happen to me... |
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| 15:49.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: your problems with GPRS data connectivity seem to be blamed to carrier/provider |
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| 15:54.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Macer> i figured the media player daemon would have reinitialized the music)) that's done by indexer |
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| 15:58.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: your last post is perfect English ;-) |
| 15:58.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | almost |
| 15:59.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> I will be really scared, if a similar situation happens to me... << |
| 15:59.59 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: it possible that difference between n900 and other mobile phone will big? sadly i dont have acces to other n900 to compare, but i try ask about cell tower status also... |
| 16:00.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | though probably "I *would*..." is more to the point of what you want to say |
| 16:01.04 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: was really close ^^ |
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| 16:01.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: difference between different N900 devices? |
| 16:02.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, regarding GPRS |
| 16:03.25 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: yes between n900 shouldnt be any difference? im right? and how about compare n900 and necond nokia eg. N80 compared data say something to me? |
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| 16:04.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, data connectivity shouldn't differ much between N900 and other phone type. And not at all between different N900 |
| 16:06.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | take care about GSM antenna though - it's on right small side of N900 (in portrait mode), so you holding device with both hands in usual way to type is covering antenna. This often causes connectivity dropouts when I'm in an area with poor signal strength |
| 16:08.02 | Drathir | ok i will test and check how it works on other device... on my old rip e51 works perfect all, but that be some time ago, and something could change with cell tower configuration :/ |
| 16:10.11 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: antenna is on slide side with screen or side with battery place? |
| 16:10.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | the latter |
| 16:11.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | (cell tower changes) I noticed carriers actually *reducing* 2G support in favour of 3G support |
| 16:12.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what's the rationale behind that. Maybe they recycle some of the components of the 2G BTS ;-) |
| 16:13.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | and they might even further reduce 2G support for LTS |
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| 16:14.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | this for example could mean that 2G BTS will get reduced in TX power to not interfere with nearby LTS cell |
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| 16:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | otoh for RX on same 2G BTS, the nearby LTS cell might cause interference, for same reason |
| 16:16.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | so both uplink and downlink of 2G might see deterioration due to nearby LTS cells get installed |
| 16:17.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'd guess particularly 800MHz is the band prone to that |
| 16:18.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | here in Europe we shouldn't have 2G 800MHz band used |
| 16:18.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | in USA however... |
| 16:19.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | LTS my ass - it even renders home automation systems etc broken, due to interference in the 865MHz band |
| 16:19.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | stage wireless microphones as well |
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| 16:21.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/LTS/LTE/gg |
| 16:22.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.heise.de/artikel-archiv/ct/2012/26/025_Hausautomationssystem-ELV-FS20-Probleme-mit-LTE-Routern |
| 16:25.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ftp://ftp.heise.de/pub/ct/listings/1226-025.zip |
| 16:27.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.heise.de/artikel-archiv/ct/2013/06/078_Maerchenwald |
| 16:28.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Disput-um-die-Digitale-Dividende-219121.html |
| 16:31.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | stage wireless microphone systems as used in operas, theaters, on stage, in TV shows etc, for ~3.5 E9 EUR had to be replaced due to LTE rendering them useless, in Germany |
| 16:31.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3500 million EUR |
| 16:33.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't LTE just great? :-s |
| 16:33.34 | kerio | i also heard that the prussian army had to replace swords with guns |
| 16:33.41 | kerio | isn't gunpowder just great? :-s |
| 16:33.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | bullshit |
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| 16:39.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard everybody on earth is supposed to forget honey and use sugar or maple syrup instead, because of monsanto producing a great new insecticide that protects corn fiels much better and allows monsanto to earn millions. Alas it kills bees, but so what? |
| 16:40.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | fields* |
| 16:40.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you're search so diligently for poor analogies |
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| 16:43.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do the LTE specifications require that frequency? |
| 16:44.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | LTE specs allow that frequency for LTE, yes. They don't *require* it |
| 16:45.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | some gashead failed to specify a proper guard band between the 865MHz security, remote control and wireless bands, and LTE band |
| 16:46.22 | kerio | was that band specifically for wireless audio? |
| 16:46.31 | kerio | or was it just used as such? |
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| 16:50.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | it been assigned to wireless professional audio |
| 16:50.48 | kerio | then germany dun goof'd |
| 16:51.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Germany? LOL |
| 16:51.50 | Drathir | there 900 and 2600MHz try asimilate to lte ? |
| 16:52.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-UTRA#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths enjoy |
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| 16:53.30 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: also with 3g or 3.5g will be great... |
| 16:58.57 | Drathir | 1800MHz for lte taken in poland |
| 17:01.13 | Drathir | now orange will be fighting for 800MHz lte... |
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| 17:02.05 | AndrewX192 | Drathir: the nokia chargers work on my N9, but not my N900 |
| 17:06.18 | Drathir | AndrewX192: what is the spec of chargers? |
| 17:06.59 | AndrewX192 | Drathir: AC-10U is one of them, came with my N900 |
| 17:07.21 | Drathir | i not sure but n900 should need more power to chage when on than nO |
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| 17:07.49 | Drathir | AndrewX192: try to charge shutdown n900 |
| 17:08.22 | Drathir | is any reaction i mean orange light blinking? |
| 17:08.30 | AndrewX192 | Drathir: it blinks for a quick second, then stops on the nokia charger |
| 17:08.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-range_device#SRD860 |
| 17:09.07 | AndrewX192 | It's certianly getting power with the Nokia charger, just won't operate with it |
| 17:10.05 | AndrewX192 | It also won't charge with my battery charger (which has one of those cables that shorts the pins) |
| 17:11.53 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: orange starting to win licence for 800 and 2600MHz for lte use... 900 and 1800 MHz buy little amount of MHz channels? |
| 17:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | AndrewX192: you are using powerkernel? bme replacement? |
| 17:14.24 | AndrewX192 | 2.6.28.10-cssu3 no bme replacement |
| 17:14.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 17:14.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what's that kerne |
| 17:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | l |
| 17:15.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I never heard of a cssu kernel |
| 17:15.27 | AndrewX192 | CSSU thumb probably |
| 17:15.44 | AndrewX192 | I set my device up about a year ago, haven't had to rebuild in quite a while |
| 17:16.37 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: are you sure your USB port is ok? |
| 17:16.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, if it allows data |
| 17:17.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and charging from PC |
| 17:17.02 | AndrewX192 | It charges fine on my computer and data works fine |
| 17:17.37 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: what charger? |
| 17:17.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | sw issue. Reflash to stock |
| 17:17.47 | freemangordon | the original? |
| 17:17.54 | AndrewX192 | freemangordon: AC-10U stock charger with N900 |
| 17:18.29 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you sound like you work in MS call centre |
| 17:18.42 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: did you try with a different charger? |
| 17:18.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I actually feel like that |
| 17:18.57 | AndrewX192 | freemangordon: yeah, I have a HP TouchPad charger charging it right now |
| 17:19.11 | AndrewX192 | no connectivity issues, the USB port seems stable |
| 17:19.16 | AndrewX192 | using the same cable I used with the computer |
| 17:19.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait, that HP charger works? |
| 17:19.47 | freemangordon | well, then it might be that the charger connector is giving bad connection |
| 17:20.53 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: <DocScrutinizer05> wait, that HP charger works? |
| 17:21.02 | AndrewX192 | DocScrutinizer05: yes |
| 17:21.18 | AndrewX192 | If I take the same cable and plug it into my portable charger, it won't charge |
| 17:21.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | then obviously your AC10 charger is defect |
| 17:21.31 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 17:21.43 | freemangordon | or just giving bad connection |
| 17:21.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't plug cable into AC10U |
| 17:21.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has fixed cable |
| 17:22.10 | AndrewX192 | If I plug my N9 into my AC-10U, it charges |
| 17:22.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 17:22.41 | freemangordon | hmm, AC10-E here |
| 17:22.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and when you plug your iphone to same charger, it most probably won't charge |
| 17:22.52 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: UK plug? |
| 17:23.00 | AndrewX192 | freemangordon: US |
| 17:23.27 | freemangordon | yeah, the same, I was wondering aboiut that "U" |
| 17:23.30 | freemangordon | *about |
| 17:23.59 | AndrewX192 | I don't understand how my portable charger doesn't work, despite having the same cable |
| 17:24.10 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: however, seems the charger or charger USB connector is broken |
| 17:24.25 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: it needs data pins shortened |
| 17:24.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | AndrewX192: N900 needs D+- data lines short |
| 17:24.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | in charger |
| 17:24.48 | AndrewX192 | Not on the 0.6Amp output of the charger, it worked before. |
| 17:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 17:25.10 | AndrewX192 | Let me find the exact cable I used before |
| 17:25.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: see? 1st level |
| 17:25.57 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: :D |
| 17:26.12 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: but isn't it fun :P ? |
| 17:26.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | after a year it starts to get boring |
| 17:26.38 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 17:26.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | after 4 years, you sometimes just CBA |
| 17:26.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | or go BOFH |
| 17:27.33 | AndrewX192 | Okay, I plugged my N900 into my laptop with the cable I always used with the battery charger, and it charges |
| 17:27.48 | AndrewX192 | I can move my N900 and cable around, and it continues to charge, don't see any issues there |
| 17:28.13 | AndrewX192 | But if I plug the cable into my battery charger and N900, it won't charge in the 0.6Amp port it charged in before |
| 17:28.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | what makes you think your cable was the culprit? |
| 17:28.44 | AndrewX192 | DocScrutinizer05: just trying to eliminate possibilities at this point, I've used this charger many times in the past |
| 17:29.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and eventually everything breaks and falls apart |
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| 17:29.19 | AndrewX192 | I think there must still be a part of the connector that is not connected to the board |
| 17:29.27 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: your laptop is USB host, that's why it charges |
| 17:29.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | AndrewX192: then better don't think ;-) |
| 17:30.28 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: n900 kernel detects that USB host and starts charging, limiting the current to 500mA |
| 17:30.47 | AndrewX192 | I think the TouchPad charger does some sort of negotation too, because the TouchPad knows if it is being charged with it's original charger too |
| 17:30.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | for that to work it needs all 4 relevant / used pind/lines of USB |
| 17:31.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | pins* |
| 17:31.30 | Drathir | AndrewX192: touchpad charger spec? |
| 17:31.32 | freemangordon | if data lines are shortened, then n900 kernel "know" it is wall charger and limits the current to 900? mA. |
| 17:31.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, i'd bet this charger does NO "negotiation" |
| 17:31.41 | freemangordon | *"knows" |
| 17:32.14 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: was it 900 or 800 mA |
| 17:32.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* let me pull 900 outa my back end |
| 17:32.32 | AndrewX192 | Drathir: output = 2.0A @ 5.3V, Part number: 157-10157-00 |
| 17:32.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even 1000 |
| 17:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | 900 is cell charging current limit iirc |
| 17:34.37 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: how long does it take for your n9 to charge with AC10? |
| 17:35.01 | AndrewX192 | freemangordon: don't remember, I haven't used my N9 in months |
| 17:35.16 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: I bet it won;t complete at all |
| 17:36.13 | freemangordon | AFAIK n9/50 start charging with 100 mA limit if connected to dumb charger with no D+- connected |
| 17:36.48 | freemangordon | the same does (afaik) n900, but only when powered off. DocScrutinizer05 - correct? |
| 17:36.59 | AndrewX192 | Just tested USB h-e-n, doesn't look like it provides power anymore |
| 17:37.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: should, but not sure about what bme does |
| 17:37.39 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: are there anything in dmesg? |
| 17:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hw does, anyway |
| 17:37.43 | freemangordon | *is |
| 17:37.55 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yep, I meant the HW |
| 17:38.09 | AndrewX192 | freemangordon: didn't look, I shut my device down |
| 17:38.18 | AndrewX192 | Plugged it into AC-10U, and my device turns on |
| 17:38.36 | freemangordon | yep, you'll go into act-dead mode |
| 17:39.02 | AndrewX192 | yeah, I unplugged it and booted up normally |
| 17:39.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | or not, if something messed up, then it might enter active mode |
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| 17:39.28 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: why unplugged it? |
| 17:39.50 | AndrewX192 | freemangordon: because last time, it never booted with it plugged in |
| 17:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders to suggest holdinf the device direction mecca and jumping on one leg |
| 17:39.57 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: you can power on without unplugging |
| 17:40.08 | AndrewX192 | what the |
| 17:40.20 | freemangordon | ooh, does it charge now? |
| 17:40.24 | AndrewX192 | Okay, so the first time I plugged it in after booting it started charging, now it just ignores it |
| 17:41.20 | AndrewX192 | dmesg: http://pastebin.com/9apMMnHj |
| 17:41.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll leave this to the ones that don't suffer 1st-level-burnout yet |
| 17:41.45 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: could you give the output of "lsmod|grep storage" |
| 17:42.05 | AndrewX192 | freemangordon: g_file_storage 25620 0 |
| 17:42.22 | freemangordon | rx51_set_charger (connected = 0) |
| 17:42.55 | freemangordon | IIUC your charger D+- connection is broken |
| 17:43.17 | freemangordon | or unreliable |
| 17:43.35 | AndrewX192 | http://pastebin.com/STZhdqzp using slider as dmesg marker |
| 17:43.39 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: how old is that charger? |
| 17:43.51 | AndrewX192 | first one was to unplug, then plugging back in |
| 17:44.01 | AndrewX192 | freemangordon: as old as my device (purchased in 2010) |
| 17:44.16 | AndrewX192 | It's a revision 2104 device |
| 17:45.43 | AndrewX192 | more from dmesg: (not doing anything with the device) http://pastebin.com/9t2rP3Ki |
| 17:45.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | IIUC you're nervous or your tk_lock slider switch is broken too |
| 17:46.02 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: after the point rx51_update_charger_mode (mode = 2) it should charge |
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| 17:46.29 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: your charge is FUBAR, buy another one |
| 17:46.34 | freemangordon | *charger |
| 17:47.19 | AndrewX192 | I'm going to reboot and test the portable charger |
| 17:47.27 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: why reboot? |
| 17:47.46 | AndrewX192 | freemangordon: clean start - I've seen the device get confused and refuse to charge with anything |
| 17:47.56 | freemangordon | try it before reboot |
| 17:48.07 | AndrewX192 | freemangordon: too late :/ |
| 17:48.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
| 17:48.21 | AndrewX192 | anyway, device started turning on as soon as charger was turned on |
| 17:48.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 17:48.44 | AndrewX192 | but the charger turned off because the device didn't draw enough power |
| 17:48.48 | AndrewX192 | and the device turned off too |
| 17:48.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | it will nedd ~30s to reach stead act-dead state with charging |
| 17:49.04 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: what? |
| 17:49.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | the WUT? |
| 17:49.13 | freemangordon | didn;t draw enough power? |
| 17:49.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | charger turned off? |
| 17:49.20 | AndrewX192 | freemangordon: the charger has auto off |
| 17:49.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | omfg |
| 17:49.36 | AndrewX192 | I push a button and it turns on, if the device doesn't need to charge, it turns back off |
| 17:49.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | BWAHAHAHAHA |
| 17:49.45 | freemangordon | likes overengineered stuff |
| 17:50.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware that during bootup there's a period when N900 does NOT charge? |
| 17:50.30 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: boot the device, connect that charger and pastebin dmesg |
| 17:50.37 | AndrewX192 | something along those lines, I don't know the exact details |
| 17:50.44 | AndrewX192 | freemangordon: kk, doing it now |
| 17:51.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, fsck that charger, weld a handle to it to throw it as far as you can |
| 17:51.11 | freemangordon | :D |
| 17:51.14 | AndrewX192 | freemangordon: no output in dmesg |
| 17:51.25 | freemangordon | did you push the button? |
| 17:51.27 | freemangordon | :P |
| 17:51.34 | AndrewX192 | freemangordon: yes, of course :P |
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| 17:51.44 | freemangordon | does it charge? |
| 17:51.55 | AndrewX192 | nope |
| 17:52.14 | AndrewX192 | hm, idea: |
| 17:52.24 | AndrewX192 | Use the charge-only cable on the computer and see if the device charges |
| 17:52.43 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: see, this seems to be a dumb charger, n900 won't charge from it |
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| 17:53.02 | AndrewX192 | freemangordon: it worked until I fixed my USB port :/ |
| 17:53.10 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: are you sure that charge-only cable does not D+- cabling? |
| 17:53.34 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: *does not have |
| 17:53.45 | AndrewX192 | freemangordon: the cable made charges work that would not work otherwise |
| 17:53.46 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: wait, your USB port is fixed? |
| 17:53.53 | Drathir | wow 2A? O.o mine from rim have 750mA and 5V |
| 17:53.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | giggles satanically |
| 17:54.07 | AndrewX192 | freemangordon: yes, I fixed it yesterday after the device wouldn't charge at all |
| 17:54.22 | freemangordon | mhm |
| 17:54.39 | AndrewX192 | I'm sure the issue is just one of the connections not being fixed |
| 17:54.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and he only fixed the mech posts it seems |
| 17:55.02 | AndrewX192 | (the connector did not come off the board, it just only worked with pressure) |
| 17:55.14 | freemangordon | s/posts/ports/? |
| 17:55.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah |
| 17:55.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | the case levers, the "pins" that have no electrical meaning |
| 17:56.04 | freemangordon | aah |
| 17:56.20 | AndrewX192 | DocScrutinizer05: 2A and 0.6A (8400mAh battery) |
| 17:56.29 | AndrewX192 | er, Drathir* |
| 17:56.43 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: however, there seems to be some HW failure, be it the n900 USB port or the chargers |
| 17:56.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | UGH, a battery USB charger |
| 17:56.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | OMFG |
| 17:57.16 | AndrewX192 | DocScrutinizer05: yes, I have that + 3 extra batteries |
| 17:57.32 | AndrewX192 | though most of the other batteries do not last more than an hour |
| 17:57.38 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I have an external solar battery, which charges with USB-mini |
| 17:57.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | me too |
| 17:58.11 | freemangordon | ooh, you meant "BL5J battery charger" |
| 17:58.18 | freemangordon | got it |
| 17:58.19 | freemangordon | :D |
| 17:58.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I have no issues with charging, and i'd never even ponder to try and diagnose any such problems with anything else than original known-good Nokia charger |
| 17:58.31 | AndrewX192 | The N900 does not charge off my laptop with the "charge-only" cable |
| 17:58.49 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: see |
| 17:59.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: >>2A and 0.6A (8400mAh battery)<< |
| 17:59.34 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: buy a new AC10, I think it will solve your issues |
| 17:59.53 | ShadowJK | no "charge only" cables work with n900 |
| 17:59.59 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 18:00.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:00.19 | AndrewX192 | well then, you're wrong - this cable worked before I fixed the port |
| 18:00.28 | AndrewX192 | and the AC10 worked as well |
| 18:00.41 | freemangordon | then it is not "charge only" (the cable) |
| 18:00.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you're wrong |
| 18:00.52 | ShadowJK | The port must've been appropriately broken to always detect charger |
| 18:01.02 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: do you have a multimeter? |
| 18:01.03 | ShadowJK | Or, the cable is not a charge only cable? |
| 18:01.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | since either your N900 been fuckedup before you fixed it, that doesn't mean a charge-only-cable would usually work |
| 18:01.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you simply got something wrong |
| 18:01.37 | AndrewX192 | freemangordon: there's one at the university engineering lab |
| 18:01.59 | AndrewX192 | But I'm not there today |
| 18:02.01 | freemangordon | AndrewX192: I guess you can;t use it now :) |
| 18:02.11 | freemangordon | however, I am going afk |
| 18:02.16 | freemangordon | night |
| 18:02.28 | AndrewX192 | I just need to find out what to fix on the N900 connector |
| 18:02.38 | AndrewX192 | I can fix that next time I'm there |
| 18:03.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | headdesks a little bit |
| 18:03.28 | ShadowJK | A "Charging only" cable with datalines disconnected or absent, is not supposed to work with N900. If you "fix" that on the connector, you'll lose data communication ability |
| 18:03.38 | AndrewX192 | DocScrutinizer05: what are you having problems with |
| 18:04.31 | AndrewX192 | ShadowJK: it doesn't mean they didn't do other things with the connectors - they just ignore the provided data connections on the host side |
| 18:04.55 | ShadowJK | It's possible to make a cable like that |
| 18:05.05 | ShadowJK | But I've never seen or heard of one existing |
| 18:05.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 18:05.13 | AndrewX192 | It came with my charger |
| 18:05.30 | AndrewX192 | Let me explain a little more |
| 18:05.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | except that charging/data switchable one |
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| 18:05.50 | AndrewX192 | The cable is USB to a special end |
| 18:06.06 | AndrewX192 | and there are many different ends (but the connector only has two pins) |
| 18:06.20 | AndrewX192 | so you can have an apple connector, miniusb, microusb, old nokia connector, etc |
| 18:06.49 | ShadowJK | Then the question is whether the D+ and D- pins are bridged at the connector or not |
| 18:06.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | they're not |
| 18:07.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | for all i've seen so far |
| 18:07.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have several similar cables here |
| 18:07.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | none of then has D+- short |
| 18:07.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a not commonly supported charger signalling method |
| 18:08.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're mor likely to find the apple usb charger method supported than the d+- short one |
| 18:08.38 | AndrewX192 | N900 is a supported device on this charger |
| 18:08.46 | AndrewX192 | http://www.amazon.com/PowerGen-PGMPP8400-External-sensation-Thunderbolt/dp/B0073F92OK |
| 18:08.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah many chargers claim that |
| 18:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | since the micro usb plug fits |
| 18:09.14 | AndrewX192 | well this one must be different |
| 18:09.14 | Drathir | freemangordon: DocScrutinizer05 could you share any data about that solar chargers? |
| 18:09.34 | AndrewX192 | Either way, I don't see a reason to worry about that part - I'm pretty sure I just need to fix my connector a bit more |
| 18:09.42 | AndrewX192 | But I'm not sure what part of the connector I need to work on |
| 18:09.58 | AndrewX192 | If someone here could give me a pointer on that, I can fix it |
| 18:10.14 | ShadowJK | Before trying to fix it, i'd test with the proper nokia wallcharger to see if that works, if it does, and if data transfer to pc works, then I'd conclude that the usb port is fine |
| 18:10.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is, we can't give such pointer |
| 18:10.45 | ShadowJK | But right now you're dealing with two unknowns, you don't know what your chargers do, and you don't know the status of your N900 usb port |
| 18:10.49 | kerio | gives NULL |
| 18:10.56 | kerio | that's a pointer |
| 18:11.04 | kerio | but don't follow it |
| 18:11.26 | ShadowJK | except if your brain is running hpux |
| 18:11.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: don't forget cables |
| 18:11.43 | AndrewX192 | no |
| 18:11.45 | ShadowJK | right |
| 18:11.51 | ShadowJK | charger + cables unknown |
| 18:12.05 | AndrewX192 | I know what's going on with the chargers, cables, etc.. I know which combinations worked before |
| 18:12.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, ok. then from my side you're on your own |
| 18:12.35 | AndrewX192 | The chances of the 3 or so chargers I've tested failing at the same time seems crazy |
| 18:12.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I won't give the answer you expect me to give, just because you expect it |
| 18:13.12 | ShadowJK | It's possible to damage the N900 usb port in such a way, that it will attempt to charge at maximum rate from any powersupply presented (and possibly damage that powersupply or PC usb port) |
| 18:14.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you asking for pointers how to fix stuff indicates that you lack the knowledge how to diagnose and fix stuff, no pointer will help |
| 18:15.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | like "my TV stopped working when I slammed the door yesterday. Please give pointer which door to slam at with time of day with which force to fix TV again" |
| 18:15.27 | ShadowJK | Now if charging and data communication with PC works, then I'd be inclined to think that previously the usb port was damaged in just such a way |
| 18:15.29 | AndrewX192 | I think I've pretty clearly outlined what's going on - though I do not understand the wiring of the USB connector inside the N900, hence I cannot determine what I need to change to fix the the problem |
| 18:16.07 | AndrewX192 | ShadowJK: I have it plugged into my computer again, and data is clearly working |
| 18:16.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly the problem. You think since you don't understand it it must be the point where to fix stuff |
| 18:16.33 | ShadowJK | Right. The same wires that carry data are used for identifying a charger |
| 18:16.51 | ShadowJK | Do you have a spare USB extension cord? |
| 18:17.06 | AndrewX192 | Yes, I have several |
| 18:17.26 | ShadowJK | like one that plugs into a PC, and has a outlet same size and shape as a PC usb port? |
| 18:17.44 | AndrewX192 | yep, I have that |
| 18:17.52 | ShadowJK | And does your charger have that port too? |
| 18:18.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-13 19:30:56] <DocScrutinizer05> for that to work it needs all 4 relevant / used pins/lines of USB |
| 18:18.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | there *are* only 4 used lines on USB |
| 18:18.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | all 4 are needed for making data connection to PC |
| 18:19.04 | AndrewX192 | ShadowJK: The TouchPad and N9 charges do, as does the portable battery one |
| 18:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | DAMN! they use completely different signalling |
| 18:19.31 | AndrewX192 | DocScrutinizer05: well then, that leads to conflicting evidence |
| 18:21.31 | ShadowJK | AndrewX192, so if you want to sacrifice an extension cord, strip the outer sheath away from a few cm of the cable, so that you can see the 4 wires (red, white, green, black). The white and green could be some other colours, but red will be red and black will be black. Cut the white and green in the middle of the area without sheath, wrap tape on the ends that come from the PC side. On the other ends, strip the white and green insulation off to expose enou |
| 18:21.38 | ShadowJK | gh of the copper wires so that you can twist them together. |
| 18:21.40 | ShadowJK | You've now got a "force charger detect" adapter cable |
| 18:22.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 is supposed to charge with 100mA when no working dataline with short on it or PC on other end of datalines |
| 18:22.04 | ShadowJK | Though if you mess any of it up, you'll have a "zap PC and/or N900, or set things on fire"-cable :) |
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| 18:22.48 | ShadowJK | Another option is that the PHY is damaged and can't do charger detect, but I'd think it'd be highly unlikely that data would be still working? |
| 18:22.55 | ShadowJK | (as for the original problem) |
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| 18:23.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | your chargers "formerly working" might in fact have worked for 100mA when your USB been broken, while now they cut out on overcurrent with the 1000mA that N900 can pull with fixed USB |
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| 18:24.03 | AndrewX192 | If they were only using 100mA, then the device wouldn't have charged with everything I had running |
| 18:24.12 | Drathir | its possible that n900 cutting out when detect shortcut, when charging connected ? |
| 18:24.52 | AndrewX192 | (I assume that's what you mean - that before they only worked at 100mA) |
| 18:25.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:25.24 | AndrewX192 | yeah, cellular internet + radio stream and remote desktop would use a lot more power than that |
| 18:26.15 | kerio | especially because musb_core uses 80mA |
| 18:26.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway trying to "fix" suspected to be broken stuff on your N900 USB without proper prior diagnose will most like damage more than it fixes |
| 18:26.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: only when D+- short? |
| 18:27.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | only on stock kernel later than PR1.2? |
| 18:27.16 | kerio | i thought it was when D+- wasn't shorted |
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| 18:31.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | diagnose using dmesg and cat /sys/some/node/charger and /sys/some/othernode/vbus is the right way to approach this problem. Also use t known-good original Nokia USB charger meant for N900, or even a spare one when you have *any* suspicion that your primary one might be broken in whatever starneg way |
| 18:32.56 | AndrewX192 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/starneg/strange/ |
| 18:33.15 | AndrewX192 | there are two for the second: /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/vbus & /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus |
| 18:33.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | night be identical |
| 18:33.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | might |
| 18:34.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | both should indicate 5V on the vbus pin of USB |
| 18:34.15 | AndrewX192 | maybe. they aren't represented as a symlink |
| 18:34.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | charger should indicate D+- short detected |
| 18:35.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.47 | tanago | Hey guys, which process should I restart so I wouldnt need a restart after applying changes to gdigicam.conf ? |
| 18:35.51 | AndrewX192 | charger=0,vbus=1 on laptop |
| 18:36.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger |
| 18:37.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's absolutely correct, since charger=0 means no D+- short which wouldn't work too good for data transfer to PC |
| 18:37.31 | AndrewX192 | charger=1,vbus=1 on HP TouchPad charger |
| 18:38.04 | AndrewX192 | hahaha, now it charges off of the nokia charger. WTF |
| 18:38.15 | AndrewX192 | charger=1,vbus=1 on nokia N900 stock charger |
| 18:38.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch --interval=0,2 cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger |
| 18:38.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | charger=1,vbus=1 on nokia N900 stock charger is correct |
| 18:39.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and implies all used 4 pins of N900 USB are ok |
| 18:39.34 | AndrewX192 | DocScrutinizer05: looks like busybox watch doesn't support time intervals of less than a second |
| 18:39.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe |
| 18:39.47 | AndrewX192 | I was doing -n 1 anyways |
| 18:40.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | or try a . instead of , |
| 18:40.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be related to your locale |
| 18:40.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | nm |
| 18:40.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# watch --version |
| 18:40.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0.2.0 |
| 18:40.39 | AndrewX192 | I did 0.2 to start with |
| 18:41.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# busybox watch --version |
| 18:41.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch: unrecognized option `--version' |
| 18:41.17 | AndrewX192 | lol |
| 18:41.20 | AndrewX192 | forget it |
| 18:41.28 | AndrewX192 | the real version is in procps-ng |
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| 18:42.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, probably |
| 18:42.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | procps - /proc file system utilities |
| 18:43.05 | AndrewX192 | hmm, okay |
| 18:43.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got that installed |
| 18:43.18 | AndrewX192 | so after a little while it gave up on charging, now charger=0,vbus=0 |
| 18:43.24 | AndrewX192 | sometimes charger=1,vbus=0 |
| 18:43.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | but it's not exactly recommended |
| 18:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | that would mean your 5V has interruptions |
| 18:44.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | which could mean a lot of things |
| 18:45.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | either your USB port is actually broken, and you need to maybe resolder the Vbus pin, or replace the whole port component |
| 18:45.06 | AndrewX192 | putting light pressure on the connector made charger=1,vbus=0 |
| 18:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | or your cable is broken |
| 18:45.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | or your charger is broken |
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| 18:46.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 4 used and one unused pin of USB port are at the backside. Hard to reach them, easy to short two pins while resoldering them |
| 18:46.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix |
| 18:46.46 | infobot | i guess usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 18:47.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=547991&postcount=20 |
| 18:48.12 | AndrewX192 | what's on the side of the connectors? just holding the connector in? |
| 18:48.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 |
| 18:48.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:49.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | mechanical posts |
| 18:49.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | on both sides |
| 18:49.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | see attachment of last URL above |
| 18:49.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the real electrical pins |
| 18:49.55 | AndrewX192 | Yeah, I'm looking at it now, that helps a lot |
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| 18:50.42 | AndrewX192 | okay, I'm not sure what to think then |
| 18:50.59 | AndrewX192 | somehow all four have contact when I connect to my computer |
| 18:51.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb#Physical_appearance |
| 18:52.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | for which pin is what |
| 18:52.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | either your USB receptacle is broken and only makes contact on lucky minutes |
| 18:53.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | or when you slightly push it in the right direction |
| 18:53.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | or same applies to one or more of your cables' plugs |
| 18:53.46 | AndrewX192 | yeah, but I don't have dmesg spam on my laptop about my n900 being connected and disconnected, and it charges |
| 18:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | that would mean it's the cable to charger that's broken |
| 18:54.55 | AndrewX192 | I'm going to stop using that charger and test all my usb cables |
| 18:55.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-13 20:45:06] <AndrewX192> putting light pressure on the connector made charger=1,vbus=0 |
| 18:55.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you put pressure in opposite direction while on PC, does it still work? |
| 18:57.04 | AndrewX192 | Yes, it seems to work despite all sorts of movements |
| 18:57.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you got your device disassembled, have a *close* look to the USB component's 5 pins, with a magnifying glass |
| 18:57.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are you'll see any broken solderpoint there |
| 18:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | if there is any |
| 18:58.43 | AndrewX192 | got a microscope for this kinda stuff at the university |
| 18:59.13 | AndrewX192 | I'll see about it next time I go in, for now I'll have to stick with the computer charger |
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