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| 14:56.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | however looks funny |
| 14:58.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | anybody wants to verify https://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/ cert? |
| 14:58.32 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, working (tested with wget) |
| 14:58.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | (vcs.m.o pending, should arrive shortly) |
| 14:58.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: your tests seem flawed |
| 14:59.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | you tested yesterday and said "all ok" whle we hadn't installed any proper certs yet |
| 14:59.49 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, yesterday wget refused to download that page |
| 15:00.13 | Pali | now wget downloaded it without problem |
| 15:00.17 | Pali | and without any warning |
| 15:00.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, I'd prefer somebody testing in a proper browser |
| 15:00.44 | fizzie | Verified by StartCom Ltd, says MicroB. (Is that a proper browser, though?) |
| 15:00.47 | Pali | ok :-) |
| 15:01.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | proper enough, I'd think |
| 15:01.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
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| 15:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | anybody wants to verify https://vcs.maemo.org/ cert? |
| 15:20.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, this one been pending for a while it seems ;-) |
| 15:21.15 | Pali | with wget working |
| 15:21.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | good, for this one wget is the right test :-D |
| 15:22.06 | Pali | now trying: $ git clone https://vcs.maemo.org/git/kernel-power |
| 15:22.14 | Pali | working :-) |
| 15:22.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh yes, please! |
| 15:22.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 15:22.30 | Pali | (without GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=1) |
| 15:23.52 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, why it was so fast?? |
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| 15:23.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | so we should've done another good chunk of work to establish "normal operation" |
| 15:24.01 | Pali | nokia was not able to fix ssl cert for year |
| 15:24.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | nokia didn't bother |
| 15:26.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | whole shit took me ~6h, incl learning about SSL certs in general, and finding out about how to deal with startcom web interface and whatnot |
| 15:27.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | meanwhile we hopefully fixed a major issue with our NFS mounts that borked quite a lot of stuff, mainly cssu uploads |
| 15:27.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | So I tend to already call it a week |
| 15:28.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm quite worried anout woody not showing up since sunday |
| 15:28.27 | SpeedEvil | woo! |
| 15:28.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | about* |
| 15:28.37 | SpeedEvil | congrats. |
| 15:29.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: thanks |
| 15:30.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | though some workpkgs leave to be done yet: remove *patch pkgs from extras and extras-testing |
| 15:30.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ^^^ coud you do that? |
| 15:30.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | could* even |
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| 16:16.31 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, cert on https://www.maemo.org is still not valid |
| 16:16.44 | Pali | wget error: ERROR: no certificate subject alternative name matches |
| 16:18.25 | sixwheeledbeast | I get (Error code: ssl_error_bad_cert_domain) |
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| 16:30.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: that will not be valid for quite some time still |
| 16:30.42 | Pali | why? |
| 16:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | because... I mentioned it in bug #12689 |
| 16:31.17 | povbot | 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12689 https://www.maemo.org redirect to bugs |
| 16:31.32 | Pali | this is not problem |
| 16:31.50 | Pali | you need correct ssl cert with domain www.maemo.org |
| 16:32.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq do you think I did try&error and picked my nose last 6h I been busy about certs? |
| 16:33.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1335465&postcount=54 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12689 |
| 16:33.38 | povbot | 04Bug 12689: https://www.maemo.org redirect to bugs |
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| 16:36.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want a detailed explanation why www.m.o has wrong cert: we don't have a dedicated vhost configured for that subdomain |
| 16:36.46 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, that is not problem |
| 16:37.00 | Pali | browsers sending hostname in SSL hello message |
| 16:37.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the cert we have for *.m.o is valid for m.o and b.m.o only, since we can't get wildcard certs for free |
| 16:37.16 | Pali | and web servers supports that too |
| 16:38.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: honestly!! either suggest a fix, aka "send a patch", or don't pester me |
| 16:38.30 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, I really do not know your infra, but apache support it |
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| 16:39.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | what in >>we don't have a dedicated vhost configured for that subdomain<< didn't you understand? |
| 16:40.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:41.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | www.m.o is handled by this vhost |
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| 16:42.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather https:www.m.o is |
| 16:42.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | (_443) |
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| 17:29.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: thanks for reporting |
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| 18:49.44 | BCMM | is there any way to force the n900 to fast-charge? i.e. tell it "pretend d+ and d- are shorted"? |
| 18:50.44 | Pali | BCMM, with bme replacement yes |
| 18:50.49 | BCMM | i have a powered usb hub that i know is OK with high current draw, but no computer to do negotiation |
| 18:51.16 | BCMM | Pali: is that ready for actual use? |
| 18:51.34 | Pali | BCMM, it is still experimental |
| 18:51.56 | Pali | but if you have kernel-power v52 you can stop BME and switch to kernel driver charging |
| 18:52.16 | Pali | bq2415x_charger driver has sysfs node "mode" where you can set also dedicated (fastcharger) mode |
| 18:52.53 | BCMM | Pali: i have -power52, do you have a link with information on doing that? |
| 18:53.25 | BCMM | something like stopping the bme process then instructing kernel over sysfs? |
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| 18:54.04 | Pali | BCMM, some info is here: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bq2415x.html |
| 18:54.11 | Pali | but it may be old |
| 18:55.00 | BCMM | Pali: any potential breakage from stopping bme i should know about? will it permit overcharge or anything like that? |
| 18:55.01 | Pali | use echo off > ... (instead echo none) for disabling charger |
| 18:55.36 | Pali | BCMM, everything is possible, you have been warned |
| 18:55.54 | Pali | as root via sysfs you can do anything with bq2415x chip |
| 18:56.37 | BCMM | Pali: i mean, will just stopping bme cause dangerousness? |
| 18:56.38 | Pali | but by default there are safe limits set |
| 18:57.03 | Pali | BCMM, stopping bme could not be dangerous |
| 18:57.31 | BCMM | so in theory, stop bme; modprobe bq2415x_charger; echo dedicated > /sys/class/power_supply/bq24150a-0/mode should be safe? |
| 18:57.56 | BCMM | (and should force behavious similar to shorting data pins)? |
| 18:57.56 | Pali | if internal watchdog in bq2415x chip will not be reseted in 30s, chip will automatically enter some "security" mode |
| 18:58.11 | Pali | and allow only emergency charging |
| 18:58.21 | BCMM | thanks |
| 18:58.31 | BCMM | Pali: oh two more questions |
| 18:58.51 | BCMM | how do i get back to normal operation? rmmod the driver and start bme? |
| 18:58.52 | Pali | BCMM, dedicated mode only set max current limit to unlimited |
| 18:59.06 | Pali | BCMM, yes, make sure you rmmoded driver |
| 18:59.23 | Pali | wait about 30-60 seconds (so chip will be reseted) and then start bme |
| 18:59.45 | BCMM | also, will the battery indicator update without bme or will i have to check charging progress with sysfs somehow? |
| 19:00.17 | Pali | BCMM, if you have battery applet from CSSU, it will be updated (but with 30s delay) |
| 19:00.32 | Pali | if you have stock nokia it will not be updated |
| 19:00.35 | BCMM | i'm on cssu, is the applet replacement in by default? |
| 19:00.49 | Pali | it is in cssu-devel |
| 19:00.54 | Pali | and maybe in cssu-testing |
| 19:01.29 | Pali | run: $ apt-cache policy status-area-applet-battery |
| 19:01.35 | Pali | and see which version you have |
| 19:01.39 | BCMM | Pali: i have to go now - thanks very much, i'm away for a few days with only this "charger" and you may have just made it bearable |
| 19:01.45 | Pali | version 1.0 is new CSSU version |
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| 19:02.14 | tanago | pali, did you see that http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1334628&postcount=379 ? |
| 19:02.15 | BCMM | Pali: Installed: 0.1.24+0m5 |
| 19:02.19 | BCMM | nokia version? |
| 19:02.29 | Pali | BCMM, yes nokia version |
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| 19:02.56 | BCMM | hmm i should really go but is there a way to get that on cssu testing? |
| 19:03.14 | Pali | tanago, do you have bme replacement or nokia bme? |
| 19:03.36 | Pali | BCMM, installing cssu deb package |
| 19:03.50 | tanago | I'm running latest Cssu testing+devel+thumb packages |
| 19:04.16 | Pali | tanago, so you are not using bme replacement? |
| 19:04.48 | tanago | hmm I haven't heard of it, so i guess n, pali |
| 19:04.56 | tanago | i guess not* |
| 19:05.10 | Pali | ok, I will look at this problem later |
| 19:05.27 | Pali | I think that problem will be in battery applet (and not in kernel) |
| 19:05.33 | tanago | are you talking about bq27x00 module, pali? |
| 19:05.46 | Pali | I saw more people on TMO which wrote this problem |
| 19:06.08 | Pali | tanago, bme replacment is replacement of nokia userspace BME daemon which handling charging |
| 19:06.21 | Pali | it is replaced by more kernel driver and one is bq27x00_battery |
| 19:06.41 | Pali | ~bme-replacement |
| 19:06.41 | infobot | from memory, bme-replacement is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html See also: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bme_replacement . Please, use wiki page to report bugs/problems and/or solutions to them! |
| 19:07.19 | tanago | yes I dont use bq27x00 module, because 'bnf' doesnt work with it |
| 19:07.50 | tanago | im on kp52 |
| 19:09.47 | Pali | tanago, then problem is in battery applet |
| 19:09.53 | Pali | I will look at it |
| 19:10.23 | tanago | this happened after the update 1 week ago if that will help you |
| 19:10.51 | tanago | good luck, if there is anything I can help you, tell me |
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| 19:13.28 | eccerr0r | Anyone know how much more (or less) memory kernel-power uses statically? (discounting loadable modules) |
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| 19:14.40 | eccerr0r | compared to the stock kernel of course... |
| 19:15.23 | Pali | eccerr0r, kernel-power should use same amount of memory as stock kernel |
| 19:15.42 | Pali | but if you load additional modules, it could be more... |
| 19:15.56 | Pali | but kernel does not eat lot of memory |
| 19:15.57 | eccerr0r | hmmm.. okay. I was kind of worried that xfs, etc. were statically compiled into the kernel to allow boot |
| 19:16.04 | Pali | userspace application eating more... |
| 19:16.24 | Pali | eccerr0r, I think that xfs is external module |
| 19:16.28 | Pali | I can check it |
| 19:16.48 | Pali | yes, xfs is external module |
| 19:17.01 | Pali | eccerr0r, your root file system is ubifs on mtd |
| 19:17.16 | eccerr0r | Ah good. Thanks. I did not want xfs to be loaded because that's a huge module on x86 |
| 19:17.16 | Pali | so there is no need to statically link fs modules into kernel image |
| 19:18.02 | Pali | eccerr0r, only two possible FS for nand devices are ubifs and jffs2 |
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| 19:18.12 | Pali | and jffs2 is older then ubifs |
| 19:18.15 | eccerr0r | just wanted to make sure only ubifs and ext3 possibly is installed |
| 19:18.25 | eccerr0r | err...static that is. |
| 19:18.34 | Pali | ext3 is also external module |
| 19:18.50 | eccerr0r | That's fine. |
| 19:19.28 | eccerr0r | I guess it's time to upgrade it then... Thanks! |
| 19:19.50 | Pali | eccerr0r, look: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=blob;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches/rx51_defconfig.diff;hb=HEAD |
| 19:20.07 | Pali | this is config diff between nokia stock and kernel-power (last=v52) kernel |
| 19:21.05 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, https://wiki.maemo.org has bad ceritifate too |
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| 19:21.24 | Pali | and wiki is important |
| 19:21.43 | tanago | does anybody know which process should I restart if I make changes to gdigicam-camerabin.conf in order to not restart the phone after each change> |
| 19:21.48 | Pali | ERROR: no certificate subject alternative name matches |
| 19:22.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: yes, and it's still same problem, and warfare just explained me that there's no way around it but having separate IP addr for each subdomain, or a wildcard cert |
| 19:22.58 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, SNI is not possible? |
| 19:23.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-11 21:21:30] <warfare> The Problem with SNI is, that it is quite new. And stuff breaks horribly if the client doesn't support it. |
| 19:23.20 | Pali | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication |
| 19:24.02 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, it can be solutions for clients which support it |
| 19:24.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm aware of the problem, I discussed it several times with our savvy sysops, and they tell me we can't fix it |
| 19:25.07 | warfare | DocScrutinizer05: Can you build certificate for wiki? I'll try to get SNI running. |
| 19:25.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: sure |
| 19:25.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | np |
| 19:25.50 | Pali | from wiki list SNI support in browsers is good |
| 19:26.15 | Pali | MicroB on Maemo :-) |
| 19:26.20 | Pali | is on list |
| 19:27.02 | Pali | warfare, if you are going to enable SNI on wiki, can you do it on www.maemo.org too? |
| 19:27.13 | warfare | Pali: I'll try. |
| 19:27.27 | Pali | ok |
| 19:27.37 | Pali | warfare, what are problems with SNI? |
| 19:27.38 | warfare | Pali: but www is a different beast with all the midgard stuff. |
| 19:27.59 | Pali | only client browsers? |
| 19:28.03 | warfare | Pali: QT until 4.8, Python, Java until 1.7 |
| 19:28.12 | warfare | Pali: mostly clients. |
| 19:28.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | The common name of this certificate will be set to wiki.maemo.org. |
| 19:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | The certificate will have the following host names supported: |
| 19:28.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | You successfully finished the process for your certificate. However your certificate request has been marked for approval by our personnel. Please wait for a mail notification from us within the next 3 hours (the most). We might contact you for further questions or issue the certificate within that time. Thank you for your understanding! |
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| 19:30.33 | warfare | Oh :) Tripped their threshhold? |
| 19:30.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: if you want to start with downloads.m.o or www.m.o or planet.m.o, I already created all needed stuff for all those |
| 19:31.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I trip their threshold every single time |
| 19:31.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, net time spent into this is >30h now |
| 19:31.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | most of it waiting for shit |
| 19:32.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | twiddling thumbs |
| 19:33.18 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, still Nokia own maemo.org domain? |
| 19:33.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 19:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | host -a maemo.org |
| 19:34.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | whois maemo.org |
| 19:34.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | but we're about to transfer scratchbox.org to our domain of control |
| 19:34.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 19:34.52 | thedead1440 | \o/ finally :D :D |
| 19:36.07 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, in vcs.maemo.org cert is missing O and OU, it is OK? |
| 19:36.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's how class1 certs look like |
| 19:36.33 | Pali | ok |
| 19:37.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | O and OU are _not_ verified for class1, that's why you can get such a class1 cert for a domain you don't "own" |
| 19:37.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's also why those certs are for free, since nobody human ever touches them (usually) |
| 19:38.22 | Pali | but CA is trusted |
| 19:38.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | while for a class2 cert with O verification you already have to pay ~100 bucks, for *processing* it, IOW for manual verification |
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| 19:39.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops 60 bucks |
| 19:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.startssl.com/?app=40 |
| 19:40.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | StartSSLâ„¢ Organization Verified |
| 19:43.13 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, at least git working without any problem with this maemo cert |
| 19:43.41 | Pali | no need to hack git to accept untrusted cert |
| 19:45.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Your certificate with serial number 650683 has been signed and is available at the Control Panel << |
| 19:47.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | wiki.maemo.org (server - Class1 - 2014-04-11 |
| 19:47.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ) |
| 19:48.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: done |
| 19:48.47 | BCMM | Pali: where can i find the .deb for the cssu battery applet? alternatively, how can i monitor charging from the command line? |
| 19:49.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: find wiki.m.o key and cert at usual location |
| 19:49.20 | Pali | BCMM, cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27x00_battery/capacity |
| 19:49.28 | BCMM | Pali: thx |
| 19:49.38 | Pali | s/bq27x00_battery/bq27200-1/ |
| 19:49.50 | Pali | or similar, I do not remember |
| 19:50.09 | Pali | BCMM, you need to load bq27x00_battery kernel driver |
| 19:50.30 | Pali | you can see more properties in that folder |
| 19:50.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | only on BME-replacement powerkernels! |
| 19:51.08 | Pali | BCMM, you need to stop bme before loading driver |
| 19:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise loading that module will cause reboots or even bootloops |
| 19:51.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you stop bme ;-) |
| 19:51.56 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: -power52 ok? |
| 19:52.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask pali ;-) |
| 19:52.27 | Pali | BCMM, yes kp52 (last) is ok |
| 19:53.11 | BCMM | ok i guess i'm going to test charging now |
| 19:53.22 | warfare | wiki over https breaks in interesting ways. |
| 19:53.37 | BCMM | Pali: how will i know it's working? |
| 19:54.01 | Pali | BCMM, what if working? |
| 19:55.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: interesting enough to have a look? |
| 19:55.48 | warfare | DocScrutinizer05: Yes, but not today. Some stylesheets are not loading. I'll have a look at it tomorrow. |
| 19:56.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not surprised, ther are quite a bunch of weird rewrite rules in all our vhosts |
| 19:57.05 | BCMM | Pali: how do i tell if it's actually charging? |
| 19:57.22 | Pali | BCMM, load bq27x00_battery kernel driver |
| 19:57.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | BCMM: pretty simple: if you stopped bme, it *is* *not* charging ;-D |
| 19:57.44 | Pali | and look to cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq272... |
| 19:57.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | of coruse your're free to use |
| 19:57.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k-detail |
| 19:58.00 | infobot | i guess bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 19:58.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | even on powerkernel |
| 19:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you loaded bq27x00_battery |
| 19:58.34 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, he is using bq2415x_charger module |
| 19:58.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, then probably not |
| 19:58.57 | kerio | you could use bq27k.py! |
| 19:59.07 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: btw what i'm trying to do is charge from this usb hub without a computer |
| 19:59.12 | Pali | but your script should work if bq27x00_battery is not loaded |
| 19:59.25 | kerio | BCMM: why doesn't it work? |
| 19:59.48 | BCMM | kerio: no host to do usb power negotiation |
| 19:59.57 | BCMM | and no h,shorted data pins |
| 20:00.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | BCMM: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/charge21_500mA-USBlimit__UNTESTED.sh |
| 20:00.04 | kerio | hm |
| 20:00.20 | kerio | BCMM: load bq2415x_charger and set mode to host |
| 20:00.29 | kerio | or even dedicated, if you /know for sure/ that the usb hub can provide 1A |
| 20:00.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | should probably work with dumb chargers and hubs as well |
| 20:00.46 | BCMM | kerio: i have run a raspi off it |
| 20:01.05 | BCMM | i know it can source a decent amount of current over a single port |
| 20:01.48 | kerio | yeah but overcurrenting it will eventually break it |
| 20:02.10 | BCMM | kerio: will break the hub? why? |
| 20:02.16 | kerio | my sheevaplug's power supply is so fragile, it breaks if you so much think about drawing more than 500mA from the usb port |
| 20:02.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | most cheap hubs connect all VUSB pins of downstream ports with one rail. The better ones even have a 2A fuse on the line to power supply plug |
| 20:02.25 | kerio | (no overcharge protection) |
| 20:02.38 | BCMM | it's on the list of suitable hubs for the raspbeery pi and it has a 2A power adapter |
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| 20:02.51 | kerio | mmh, then it's probably fine i guess |
| 20:03.23 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: my hub looks to have a rail; had to mod it to stop it back-power pi (but getting offtopic...) |
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| 20:03.46 | BCMM | it looks like i have three methods now... |
| 20:04.08 | Pali | RPI needs 0.8A? |
| 20:04.28 | BCMM | by the way, given an unlimited power source, how much current will the n900 draw? |
| 20:04.39 | kerio | BCMM: depends on who asks |
| 20:04.46 | kerio | bme is... 900mA? i think |
| 20:05.02 | kerio | anyway, in the neighbourhood of 1A |
| 20:05.17 | kerio | you shouldn't charge the battery at more than... 900, iirc |
| 20:05.45 | BCMM | anyway it seems like i've been given about three suggestions now, for how to force the n900 to charge with no USB host to negotiate with |
| 20:06.08 | BCMM | i'm not sure which approach to go with... |
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| 20:13.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: Iusb=(Psystem+900Ibat*3.8Ubat)/Uusb |
| 20:13.55 | kerio | wat |
| 20:14.26 | BCMM | Pali: sorry, kind of forgot what i was doing. do i want to use "dedicated" mode here? |
| 20:15.02 | Pali | dedicated mode has unlimited current |
| 20:15.25 | Pali | for wallchargers |
| 20:15.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: in short: current on USB != charging current of battery |
| 20:16.08 | kerio | well yeah |
| 20:16.25 | BCMM | Pali: so when using a "dumb" supply, it should have similar effects to using auto-mode with shorted data pins? |
| 20:16.34 | kerio | BCMM: it'll be the same |
| 20:16.38 | BCMM | thanks |
| 20:16.44 | kerio | which means that the "dumb" supply might be damaged by the power draw |
| 20:17.08 | kerio | especially if it's dumb enough to not have overcurrent protection |
| 20:17.24 | BCMM | kerio: it's labelled 2.0A |
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| 20:18.03 | kerio | then... it should be fine? |
| 20:18.23 | BCMM | and while i suppose it's possible that individual ports on the hub would object to sourcing over .5, plenty of raspi users say the hub is OK with that |
| 20:18.29 | BCMM | s/ports/sockets/ |
| 20:23.43 | BCMM | Pali: just reading log, i need bq27x00_battery as well as bq27x00_charger to monitor charging? |
| 20:24.22 | Pali | bq2415x_charger is needed for charging and bq27x00_battery for info about charging/discharging |
| 20:25.09 | BCMM | Pali: thanks. is the capacity node measured in %, and does it update while charging is hapening? |
| 20:25.44 | Pali | BCMM, capacity node is in % and is updated when you cat that file |
| 20:25.58 | Pali | you can cat uevent file |
| 20:26.01 | Macer | nice |
| 20:26.03 | Macer | my new n900 showed up |
| 20:26.07 | Macer | that was actually kind of quick |
| 20:26.08 | BCMM | Pali: thanks! |
| 20:26.09 | Pali | which as all properties in one file |
| 20:27.10 | BCMM | Pali: is POWER_SUPPLY_TIME_TO_FULL_NOW estimated completion in seconds? |
| 20:27.28 | Macer | hm |
| 20:27.29 | Pali | yes |
| 20:28.12 | Macer | hm |
| 20:28.13 | Pali | units are uAh/uA/uV/s/% |
| 20:28.14 | Macer | looks legit |
| 20:28.15 | Macer | lol |
| 20:28.26 | Macer | let me throw the sim in and fire this bad boy up :) |
| 20:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah!! give cherry an chance ;-P |
| 20:29.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 20:29.21 | Macer | n900 can import sim numbers right? |
| 20:29.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | it can even send stealth SMS |
| 20:29.46 | Macer | lol |
| 20:29.52 | Macer | but can it send mms? :-P |
| 20:30.00 | BCMM | Macer: yes, it can import sim contacts |
| 20:30.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | see fmms |
| 20:30.09 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: i know. i was joking |
| 20:30.34 | BCMM | Macer: cannot remember how but i believe it involved extra software (not the contacts app) |
| 20:30.46 | Macer | omg seriously? lol |
| 20:30.52 | Macer | it can't jsut do it on its own? :) |
| 20:31.00 | BCMM | Macer: nope contacts app does it and i'm wrong |
| 20:31.30 | BCMM | Macer: menu - get contacts - copy from sim card |
| 20:31.32 | Macer | well it's been a while since i've had a functional n900 |
| 20:32.05 | BCMM | the thing it does *not* do is display them, at all, before you do that |
| 20:32.34 | Macer | oh that'sf ine |
| 20:32.40 | Macer | i just need to copy them over |
| 20:32.53 | Macer | so i don't spend 5 hours copying phone numbers ;) |
| 20:33.24 | kerio | >no sync with a computer |
| 20:33.28 | kerio | >2013 |
| 20:33.36 | kerio | i don't even |
| 20:34.14 | Macer | how cute. it had the battery in the device.... dead |
| 20:34.15 | Macer | lol |
| 20:34.31 | Macer | i'm wondering if i should just swap batteries out my old one or just use the one that came with it |
| 20:34.41 | Macer | it has a solid amber :) guess i can just walk away for an hour or so |
| 20:35.08 | Macer | and some knockoff chinese nokia headphones.. that's not too promising |
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| 20:37.30 | Macer | wow it's a real toss up as to which n900 is the refurbished knockoff |
| 20:37.37 | Macer | if i were to guess i'd say the brand new on i jsut got lol |
| 20:40.02 | Macer | wth? something is different |
| 20:42.30 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: aren't stealth sms messages used in tracking criminals? |
| 20:43.36 | Macer | damn |
| 20:43.41 | Macer | forgot how awesome the n900 was to use lol |
| 20:43.54 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: or can you unstealth them? |
| 20:44.45 | Macer | ponders if he should use the cssu unstable heh |
| 20:44.57 | Macer | i don't think nowadays it matters does it? |
| 20:45.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: this is another type of stealth SMS. It's hidden from you despite you send it and pay for it |
| 20:45.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-unsatble??? |
| 20:45.39 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: because the n900 runs old and outdated software? |
| 20:45.46 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: how on earth does it work legally with people that are charged per sms anyway? |
| 20:45.46 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: in particular the kernel? |
| 20:46.02 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: heh i was joking. i meant testing |
| 20:46.26 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: anyway, I need more information to understand what you are talking about. It seems kind of a big deal if that's possible. |
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| 20:50.36 | BCMM | Pali: sorry conversation has scrolled out of xchat's history... to get back to normal operation, i need to unload modules, wait a bit, then "start bme" - is that right? |
| 20:50.50 | Macer | omg i missed telepathy |
| 20:51.01 | Macer | symbian bell is awesome but the txting and email apps make you want to throw it into a wall |
| 20:51.11 | Pali | BCMM, yes, unload all bq* modules |
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| 20:51.36 | BCMM | Pali: how long do i wait before starting bme again? |
| 20:51.52 | BCMM | (i'm writing a shell script now so i don't forget again) |
| 20:52.10 | Pali | if you are not connected charger you do not need to wait |
| 20:52.46 | Pali | if you have connected charger you can wait for yellow led |
| 20:53.19 | Pali | but if you wait 40s bq24 chip should be resetted |
| 20:53.49 | BCMM | Pali: i'm trying to script it - 40s will always be enough? |
| 20:54.18 | BCMM | also, what will happen if i start bme straight away with charger still connected? |
| 20:54.30 | Pali | BCMM, I think yes. Also if you have normal charger bme should work immediately without waiting |
| 20:54.30 | BCMM | fire? bme crash? something in between? |
| 20:55.09 | Pali | BCMM, if charger is OK noting should happen |
| 20:56.15 | Macer | yeah but the real question is the facebook contacts integration going to work?? |
| 20:56.16 | Macer | lol |
| 20:56.24 | BCMM | Pali: i do not really understand... |
| 20:56.42 | BCMM | but if i put in a 40s delay i don't have to worry? |
| 20:57.00 | Pali | yes |
| 20:57.23 | BCMM | Pali: thanks |
| 20:57.40 | Pali | if you wait 40s bq chip will be resetted to state as on boot |
| 20:59.16 | BCMM | Pali: ah, with no software in charge, the chip resets to managing itself, and bme expects to find that situation when it starts? |
| 20:59.43 | BCMM | (i mean "in command" by "in charge") |
| 20:59.43 | Pali | BCMM, nobody knows what bme exactly doing and what needs... |
| 20:59.56 | BCMM | heh, fair enough |
| 21:00.13 | BCMM | thanks for your help, i think i have what i need to charge now |
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| 21:01.10 | BCMM | (i've gone on holiday, abroad, without a real wall charger. this information is very useful to me) |
| 21:07.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | BCMM: don't worry about resetting bq24150 chip, bme will reset it |
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| 21:08.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | BCMM: no wait needed |
| 21:08.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | bme will detect when status of chip is not as supposed to be and will re-initialize it |
| 21:10.13 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: so rmmod bqwhatever; start bme is safe? |
| 21:10.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | sigh |
| 21:10.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops ECHAN |
| 21:10.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | BCMM: yes |
| 21:10.34 | BCMM | thanks! |
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| 21:13.30 | BOY77X | http://www.reddit.com/r/XXXBITCHINBEACHXXX/comments/1c5t0e/beautiful_girl_big_boobs_beautiful_face_wonderful/ |
| 21:13.40 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 21:14.01 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!BOY77X@*.126.195.167] by DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 21:16.00 | Macer | i sure wish conversations was tabbed |
| 21:16.19 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*@*.126.195.167] by DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 21:17.08 | fmunozs | you are bannying 254 inocent users |
| 21:17.23 | Macer | lol |
| 21:17.37 | Macer | who the hell spams #maemo?? hahaha |
| 21:17.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | bot |
| 21:17.48 | Macer | doesn't seem a very high profile place |
| 21:17.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~chaninfo |
| 21:17.58 | infobot | 125/125 channels, 5225 users, 3815 unique: #debian/1328, #kde/417, #gsoc/370, #maemo/253, #asterisk/209, #oe/151, #wowuidev/134, #meego/130, #arm-netbook/129, #harmattan/124, #cubieboard/112, #wowace/106, #utah/93, #webos-internals/92, #wowhead/87, #openmoko/81, #openmoko-cdevel/72, #bzflag/67, #tomcat/63, #edev/62, #uclibc/57, #asterisk-dev/56, #/50, #maemo-ssu/50, #sc2mapster/47, #htc-linux/47, #uphpu/45, #curseforge/44, #n9/43, #slug/32, ... |
| 21:18.22 | M4rtinK | we are 4th |
| 21:18.24 | M4rtinK | nice |
| 21:18.25 | Macer | wow |
| 21:19.07 | Macer | hm. kubuntu update should be out soon |
| 21:19.13 | Macer | speaking of kde heh |
| 21:19.28 | Macer | there is no way to tab conversations huh? |
| 21:19.36 | Macer | so you don't have like 5 open txt windows? :) |
| 21:20.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd bet it's a drive-by-virulent site |
| 21:20.42 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: is screen backlight becoming very dim until i lock/unlock an expected side-effect of starting up bme? |
| 21:20.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually off |
| 21:21.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can restart mce to fix it |
| 21:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 21:22.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | so far nobody has had a good story *why* this happens |
| 21:25.23 | kerio | bme replacement fixes that! :D |
| 21:27.08 | cehteh | i mostly hate that the notification light goes off in bright daylight, wtf-bug |
| 21:27.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, but not bme-related |
| 21:28.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I bet it fixes that, but aren't you worried WHY it fixes that? |
| 21:28.42 | kerio | because it never stops talking with mce |
| 21:29.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather guess it never starts talking with mce ;-P |
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| 21:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: you know what I think? kit might be a one-off or overrun / signed-vs-unsigned problem in mce's lp5523 control module |
| 21:33.39 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer05: nah .. i really want to believe that some nokia dev wanted to make the notification led brightness ambient light sensitive and got dumped before he finished/fixed that idea |
| 21:34.34 | cehteh | duh .. if mce would be free software there would be soo much potential |
| 21:34.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh right, it isn't environment aware unless it dims down - renders my explanation moot |
| 21:35.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/environment/ALS/ |
| 21:35.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | though there's a simple "workaround" to cover ALS when locking screen, it's still annoying like hell |
| 21:35.52 | cehteh | allowing extra bright flashes by driving the current up for patterns with short pulses for example |
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| 21:36.19 | cehteh | ah i didnt know that worksaround |
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| 21:37.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it's a buffer overrun of the kbd backlight dimming |
| 21:38.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | or a silly joke |
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| 21:39.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | first approach for investigations: strace mce and check what it sends to /dev/i2c* |
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| 21:40.27 | Macer | ah well... let me go ahead and install cssu testing |
| 21:40.36 | Macer | and enjoy my new (and functional) n900 heh |
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| 22:04.14 | Macer | hm |
| 22:04.20 | Macer | cssu doesn't have built in snap to grid stuff? |
| 22:07.46 | sixwheeledbeast | Macer: snap to grid. it should have |
| 22:09.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu has all the features of standard maemo |
| 22:09.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | except if you consider bugs features you'd miss |
| 22:10.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | even for the bugs we try to find a way to keep them for those who love them for a weird reason, rather we make them optional ;-) |
| 22:11.41 | sixwheeledbeast | lol, it does seem like that. but it's nice to have options. |
| 22:12.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | what we not keep are bugs with clearly no possibly positive or exploitable side effects at all, like increased battery consumption in hildon-desktop when menu in applauncher is too short |
| 22:14.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | or fs-corruption, or stuff like that |
| 22:14.22 | sixwheeledbeast | oh you just reminded me of something I noticed. |
| 22:15.44 | sixwheeledbeast | In app launcher, edit mode. the font is always Nokia Sans and not system font. |
| 22:17.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
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| 22:18.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never use applauncher edit mode, so I can't say anything about it |
| 22:18.25 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: yeah ok so i still need to install teh tweak stuff to snap to grid? |
| 22:18.28 | Macer | heh |
| 22:19.00 | Macer | i'm just glad to have telepathy/conversations back |
| 22:19.02 | Macer | good stuff :) |
| 22:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, probably you will need to enable snap-to-grid just like on stock HD |
| 22:20.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | nd I thhink there's been another bug we didn't bother to keep: reboot/bootloop on snapgrid width = 0 |
| 22:21.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not 100% sure though, so test on your own peril |
| 22:22.19 | sixwheeledbeast | I thought snap-to-grid was 4 as default |
| 22:22.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | who cares about default? |
| 22:22.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | also 4??? |
| 22:23.01 | sixwheeledbeast | so 4 = enabled, no? |
| 22:23.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4 what? pixel? |
| 22:23.46 | sixwheeledbeast | I guess, well it's not elephants. ;) |
| 22:24.15 | Macer | haha |
| 22:25.23 | sixwheeledbeast | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/hildon-desktop#Edit_Mode |
| 22:27.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | nm, I thought I've seen or heard about a dedicated grid pitch setting and another setting to enable/disable it. Now in tweaker that looks different |
| 22:29.18 | sixwheeledbeast | anyway, bed for me night all. |
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| 22:43.43 | Macer | so i have to change teh gps server to supl.google.com? |
| 22:43.57 | Macer | is there no nokia drive for n900? |
| 22:44.00 | Macer | ovi maps is horrid |
| 22:44.56 | ManoftheSea | Macer: or another A-GPS server. |
| 22:46.27 | Macer | so fmms is the only way to send mms still huh? |
| 22:46.33 | Macer | it was never merged into conversations? |
| 22:53.01 | BCMM | Macer: i use maperro for routing |
| 22:53.36 | BCMM | it's currently broken due to a change in google's api (i think); see forums for patched version not in repos |
| 22:54.16 | BCMM | also, anybody got a recommendation for another routing map program? maperro is a little heavy on cpu |
| 22:55.05 | kerio | surely, monav's routing |
| 22:55.17 | kerio | modrana uses it, if you want |
| 23:04.31 | Macer | heh |
| 23:04.37 | Macer | is the n900 ovi store dead? |
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| 23:15.34 | BCMM | kerio: does it do voice? |
| 23:19.54 | Macer | woop |
| 23:20.07 | Macer | back in xterm on my n900!! |
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| 23:44.53 | BCMM | is kernel power included in cssu? |
| 23:46.21 | BCMM | nm, this phone isn't up to date |
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| 23:51.19 | Macer | nice |
| 23:51.29 | Macer | all i have to do now is just make it perfectly customized :) |
| 23:51.35 | Macer | i forgot how awesome an n900 was lol |
| 23:51.42 | Macer | i need to get a pay by the day sim for my e7 tho :-/ |