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00:15.27peterbjornxwow, my prototype i2c ext kb works
00:18.35rikaneepeterbjornx: is it soldered directly onto an i2c port?
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00:33.55peterbjornxrikanee: kinda, i used coil wire to connect to main cam socket i2c pins (bus3) and used that to drive a pcf8574
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00:34.20rikanee:o
00:34.33rikaneepeterbjronx: planning some kind of N900 dock?
00:35.00rikanees/peterbjronx/peterbjornx/
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00:40.02peterbjornxwell, more of a sidecar expansion with extra keys and io
00:40.23peterbjornxbit like a dock but not to be removed often
00:40.47rikaneepeterbjornx: I assume it's going to be grafted to a case so it wraps around the N900's body?
00:41.30peterbjornxthats the plan, yes
00:42.00peterbjornxim going to attach it to the battery cover and have it attached on the right side of the n900
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11:46.38*** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet
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11:47.49DocScrutinizer05~+status
11:47.49infobotSince Wed Apr 10 11:45:40 2013, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands.  I have been awake for 2m 9s this session, and currently reference 119021 factoids.  I'm using about 18568 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1.86/0.07 child 0.01/0
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12:27.32Macerblah
12:27.42Macernemo is incredibly flakey :-/
12:27.50Macerback to maemo
12:28.00freemangordonMacer: ;)
12:28.08Macerheh
12:28.08sixwheeledbeastwhat did you expect?
12:28.27Macerwell at least a bit better than a blank screen after updating
12:28.39Macerin wanted to run meego on the n900 heh
12:29.12freemangordonMacer: no point doing that, last time I tried it was like a snail. i doubt anything has changed
12:30.05Macerit wasnt too bad for speed
12:30.32freemangordonhmm, I guess it depends on what one expects :)
12:30.57Maceri just wanted to get sports tracker to run on it :)
12:31.04freemangordonbut in my book more that 10 seconds to start the calculator is slooow
12:31.12Macerotherwise im going to have to get a 2nd sim
12:31.20Macerfor the e7
12:31.28Macerjust for running lol
12:33.07Macerecoach wont work with the sports tracker heart monitor
12:33.19Macerand well.... it sucks in comparison ;)
12:35.27Drathirfreemangordon: really 10?
12:36.11DrathirMacer: try arch :p
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12:37.41freemangordonDrathir: yep, at least here
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12:39.16Drathirinteresting why... clean system should be as light as possible...
12:49.22Macerarch?
12:50.03Macernaw...  will try nemo again when the fully functional n900 shows up
12:50.20Macerif push comes to shove i will just get a pay by the day sim
12:51.34Macerif i run half a month tho then i will pretty much pay as much as the prepaid sim i have now
12:51.50Maceri wonder if i can dig up a net10 data only sim for the e7
12:52.04Macerfor cheap. 2G should cut it just for running
12:52.32Maceri might not even need a net connection for the app... it is probably just for the maps
12:56.24Macerhm
12:56.35Macerguess i can search while i wait for an answer
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13:11.52Macerhm
13:12.04Macerk just removed uboot and it is still booting
13:12.07Macerwth?
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13:15.24PaliMacer, uboot is stored in kernel nand area
13:15.39Paliyou need to reinstall some kernel packages
13:15.43Palito flash some kernel
13:16.07Paliyou cannot *uninstall* uboot, you can only replace it with another bootable image
13:20.51Macerah ok
13:20.55Maceri'll use meego ;)
13:21.38Macerjust trying to find out where this image is for it
13:21.47Maceri'm just testing this stuff on my broken n900
13:21.53Macerthe working one is on its way in the mail
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13:37.34DocScrutinizer05~uboot
13:37.35infobothmm... uboot is an alternative bootloader, for diskless devices
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13:43.03DocScrutinizer05~#maemo uboot is <reply>N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files
13:43.03infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay
13:43.09DocScrutinizer05~uboot
13:43.10infobotN900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files
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13:53.51amospallaI've got kp51+bootmenu+backupmenu, is it safe to upgrade to kp52, or should I change some packages related to boot?
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18:52.47freemangordonPali: did you have time to play with hsi/ssi driver?
18:53.11Palifreemangordon, no I did not booted 3.9 kernel yet
18:53.32freemangordonPali: its ok, I was just curious
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20:13.32DocScrutinizer05anybody around to check our SSL certs?
20:13.46DocScrutinizer05https://maemo.org
20:14.04bef0rdThe identity of this website has been verified by StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA.
20:14.05DocScrutinizer05https://bugs.maemo.org
20:15.05DocScrutinizer05(the latter seems to be flawed)
20:15.15bef0rdseems to be ok here
20:15.23DocScrutinizer05oh, is it?
20:15.32DocScrutinizer05then my local PC starts to act up
20:15.44bef0rdthere is a warning about including not secure content
20:15.45bef0rdYour connection to bugs.maemo.org is encrypted with 256-bit encryption. However, this page includes other resources which are not secure. These resources can be viewed by others while in transit, and can be modified by an attacker to change the look of the page.
20:15.51bef0rdbut that is not related to thecertificate
20:16.00DocScrutinizer05yep
20:16.18DocScrutinizer05and btw should be all the same for https://maemo.org
20:16.29DocScrutinizer05probably from static.maemo.org
20:20.42bef0rdhttp://i.imgur.com/agotZ1k.png
20:20.48bef0rdvalid ssl cert for bugs.maemo
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20:32.22DocScrutinizer05yeah, been an issue in my konqueror
20:32.24DocScrutinizer05thanks
20:33.06DocScrutinizer05so this whole shite took me "only" 8h and already it's fixed again
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20:42.22PaliDocScrutinizer05, also this is working: https://vcs.maemo.org/git/ :-)
20:42.57DocScrutinizer05Pali: hmm?
20:42.59DocScrutinizer05not here
20:43.20bef0rdit fails here, well shows a warning
20:43.20DocScrutinizer05still our old self-issued cert
20:43.24PaliDocScrutinizer05, that site via https not worked
20:43.26bef0rdself signed yea
20:43.42Paliwebdav not worked
20:43.49Pali$ GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=1 git clone https://vcs.maemo.org/git/kernel-power
20:43.56Palithis working too ^^^
20:44.02Paliso webdav via https is fixed too
20:44.07DocScrutinizer05but anyway thanks, I now know what else we need for startssl certs
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20:49.20PaliDocScrutinizer05, maemo.org profile does not have karma from tmo
20:51.26DocScrutinizer05Pali: we know that
20:51.31Paliok
20:52.30DocScrutinizer05please see - Elections Eligibility Criteria -  in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89711
20:52.33PaliDocScrutinizer05, see: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2013-April/106885.html
20:52.35Paliwhat is fremantlecommunityssu?
20:52.45Palisome new repo?
20:53.29DocScrutinizer05sorry, I'm just busy, sounds like a typo done by jacekowski or rather merlin1991
20:54.06merlin1991nope that's what it was always called
20:54.27DocScrutinizer05uhuh
20:54.37DocScrutinizer05'/mnt/incoming-builder/fremantlecommunityssutesting/'
20:54.51DocScrutinizer05looks odd
20:55.32Palimerlin1991, can you look why kernel-power-* v52 packages missing in package interface?
20:55.52Paliand why all promoted packages misssing in extras-testing?
20:57.08DocScrutinizer05Pali: will we need a normal SSL cert for vcs.maemo.org alike the bugs.maemo.org cert we already got?
20:57.24DocScrutinizer05The certificate will have the following host names supported:
20:57.25DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
20:57.27DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
20:57.33DocScrutinizer05correct?
20:58.18PaliI will look what svn using
20:58.47jacekowskiPali: pong
20:58.49Pali$ svn checkout https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/browser
20:58.55DocScrutinizer05well, I guess it's just the same like bugs.maemo.org, no?
20:59.00PaliDocScrutinizer05, svn using also vcs
20:59.08Paliso it is ok
20:59.14DocScrutinizer05ooh, svn vs vcs
20:59.24DocScrutinizer05thanks
20:59.34Palijacekowski, I promoted more packages from extras-devel to extras-testing
20:59.49Palibut packages still missing in extras-testing package interface
21:01.53PaliDocScrutinizer05: https://lists.maemo.org
21:02.04DocScrutinizer05:-)
21:02.06DocScrutinizer05thanks
21:02.07jacekowskipackage name?
21:02.47Palijacekowski: usbmode, fiasco-image-update-ask, ipv6-support
21:03.32PaliDocScrutinizer05, can you add redirect from https://lists.maemo.org/ to https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo ?
21:03.43Palibecause https://lists.maemo.org is 404
21:04.08DocScrutinizer05I guess that's a good idea
21:04.36Paliand https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/ is 403 (maybe redirect can be better too)
21:04.55Palihttps://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/ is 403
21:05.13Paliand this https://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/ is OK
21:06.45PaliDocScrutinizer05: https://www.maemo.org --> invalid certificate too
21:07.06DocScrutinizer05o.O
21:07.17DocScrutinizer05should redirect to bugs.maemo.org anyway
21:07.47Palihm, why https://www.maemo.org/ redirect to https://bugs.maemo.org/index.cgi ?
21:08.34DocScrutinizer05nfc
21:09.02DocScrutinizer05we're not designing new stuff here, we fix existing stuff
21:09.33PaliDocScrutinizer05, before migration (dec 2012) https://www.maemo.org worked
21:09.42Paliit was not redirected to bugs
21:09.58Paliso it is bug
21:10.37DocScrutinizer05it's an old bug
21:11.09DocScrutinizer05and for now we can't possibly do anything about it
21:11.54Palijacekowski, also all kernel-power(-*) 2.6.28-10power52 packages missing in maemo.org package interface
21:12.07Palibut are on repository.maemo.org extras-devel
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21:15.28DocScrutinizer05Pali: so please file a ticket on b.m.o
21:15.51Palifor what?
21:16.00DocScrutinizer05(about https://www.maemo.org)
21:16.01Palimissing kernel-power packages (again)?
21:16.05Paliok
21:16.06freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: that ticket gathers dust on BMO for more than an year
21:16.10freemangordonaah, ok
21:18.03DocScrutinizer05this ticket has two aspects: nonsensical forwarding to b.m.o, and invalid cert
21:18.29DocScrutinizer05the invalid cert issue can't get possibly fixed for now, I guess
21:18.49Palihttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12689
21:18.51povbot04Bug 12689: https://www.maemo.org redirect to bugs
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21:45.08sixwheeledbeastPali: I reported this a couple of days after m.o login was fixed. Promotion to testing for devel is broken somehow for all packages.
21:45.21sixwheeledbeasts/for/from/
21:45.30Paliok
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21:52.25bef0rdDocScrutinizer05: just noticed, https://maemo.org content is not the same that http://maemo.org (related to the cms not the certs though)
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21:56.17DocScrutinizer05WTF?
21:56.33DocScrutinizer05joerg@vcs:~$ id
21:56.35DocScrutinizer05uid=30401(joerg) gid=30580(joerg) groups=30580(joerg),27(sudo),30550(cssu-testing)
21:56.36DocScrutinizer05joerg@vcs:~$ date >/mnt/incoming/community-testing/fremantle/xxx
21:56.38DocScrutinizer05-bash: /mnt/incoming/community-testing/fremantle/xxx: Permission denied
21:56.39DocScrutinizer05joerg@vcs:~$ ll -dn /mnt/incoming/community-testing/fremantle/
21:56.41DocScrutinizer05drwxrwxr-x 2 1005 1005 4096 Apr  9 05:18 /mnt/incoming/community-testing/fremantle//
21:57.07DocScrutinizer05who changed group of /mnt/incoming/community-testing/fremantle/ ?
21:57.32DocScrutinizer05oops echan
21:58.43n900userAnyone know if beejive works with nokia n900?
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22:11.42BigBoxDriverBeen there, done that -- da ich aus dem Bereich komme und das nicht die erste community ist die ich (mit) hochziehe bin ich so arrogant und glaube entsprechende Beratungsleistung liefern zu dürfen. <grin>.  Wie es dann umgesetzt wird müssen wir halt noch sehen. Und wenn wir wo was "sharen" können um einfach davon/dadurch nen fliegenden Start hinzubekommen - warum nicht? Ich hab schon zu viele Wikis sterben sehen weil nur ein, zwei
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