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| 01:15.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<XATRIX> HAM is just a frontend to apt-get )) no, fapman is just a frontend to apt-get, HAM is a bit more than that |
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| 01:17.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<XATRIX> Also, why my handset can't get into C4 if i have Wifi enabled ?)) maybe your AP doesn't support proper powersavingsmode, or you got shitloads of broadcast in your LAN |
| 01:19.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, you all might never have had problems with fapman, but that's by mere luck then. fapman is *known* to sooner or later fuckup ypur system |
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| 01:20.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and honestly we found it's simply not suited for e.g. CSSU, and we don't support it and strongly deprecate using it for CSSU |
| 01:22.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | for all I know fapman is a braindead GUi frontend to apt-get, unlike HAM which knows about package groups, abouts system packages, about not doing autoremove... |
| 01:28.06 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer05: how long didnt you looked at fapman? |
| 01:28.45 | cehteh | so far i know fapman cares about all nokiaisms and works well |
| 01:29.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh |
| 01:29.53 | cehteh | it has package groups, it manages autoremove if you tell it, it hides system packages and applies the nokia fairy dust over apt |
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| 01:30.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly don't feel like touching crap that made me puke and reflash during 30min after initial installation, and ever since reports of users messing up their system with it never stopped to come in |
| 01:30.29 | cehteh | well, fapman works for me since long time now |
| 01:30.42 | cehteh | i admit the very first releases years ago where crap |
| 01:31.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | let me put it this way: it had it's chance |
| 01:31.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAM is opesource |
| 01:31.37 | cehteh | yes but its utterly slow and unintuitive |
| 01:32.06 | Drathir | slow because synchronize apps... |
| 01:32.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I won't bother about a reinvention of the wheel instead of fixing what's already there. Particularly when that wheel wasn't a wheel but a sledgehammer falling on my foot when I first time touched it |
| 01:32.25 | cehteh | imagine maemo would have taken off and we now had 50000 packages in the repo .. one would be unable to handles that with ham |
| 01:33.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 01:33.18 | cehteh | arguable the best would be if nokia hadnt broken apt at first .. just using normal tools, maybe contribute changes to upstream debian, no optification and so on .. but well :) |
| 01:33.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | allow fools to write cheap broken GUI wrappers around apt-get since they are not capable to understand how to fix slowness in HAM? |
| 01:34.13 | cehteh | i never looked at ham's source .. dunno |
| 01:34.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | fapman can get all the love you can find, it still is a waste of time since HAM already been there and done that |
| 01:34.50 | Drathir | i using apt also but ham is more secure in use... |
| 01:35.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, in my book fapman is pathetic, and got invented due to lack of competence of the developers |
| 01:36.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | if same amount of work had been invested into HAM, we had something *really* usable today |
| 01:36.39 | cehteh | was ham free software back when the first fapman came out? i dunno |
| 01:36.46 | Drathir | also ham can be slow becouse cacheing the thumb of apps... |
| 01:36.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a few hundered users less who came here and had to get talked thru reflash since fapman borked their system |
| 01:36.59 | Drathir | because* |
| 01:37.00 | cehteh | HAM's ui is horrible |
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| 01:37.38 | cehteh | you cant batch things together and then run the installation, you have no sorting/filtering besides groups and so on |
| 01:37.40 | Drathir | ui is ok clean but refresh performance is little slow... |
| 01:37.43 | cehteh | i really cant stand it |
| 01:38.26 | cehteh | if you want to install 10 packages you have to pay attention to the device for 30+ minutes or whatever.. |
| 01:38.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody sane wants to install 10 packages at a time |
| 01:39.00 | cehteh | search, select .. wait .. ack security question, wait again .. |
| 01:39.18 | cehteh | what a reason .. i sometimes did that |
| 01:39.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're supposed to install one, then check if anything gone south and you maybe want to uninstall it again |
| 01:39.44 | wulfe | I need flasher 3.5 and image for N810WE (linux deb), the links on the wiki are broken because they still go to nokia. |
| 01:40.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~skeiron |
| 01:40.02 | infobot | [skeiron] the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 |
| 01:40.03 | wulfe | my N810 is stuck at Nokia logo so it needs to be reflashed =( |
| 01:40.11 | wulfe | ah |
| 01:40.13 | wulfe | awesome |
| 01:40.18 | wulfe | thanks Doc |
| 01:40.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 01:44.58 | wulfe | i got my N810WE bin but i dont see a link for flasher 3.5 is flasher3.0-amd64 the one i should use instead? (i am on linux 64b btw) |
| 01:45.16 | wulfe | or am i just wrong in thinking there was a 3.5? |
| 01:49.01 | wulfe | ok no, im not wrong in that. i found flasher 3.5 but again no working link for it. =P |
| 01:51.52 | Drathir | wulfe: stuck with no reason? |
| 01:51.56 | wulfe | aha found it |
| 01:52.20 | wulfe | nevermind now, it was under a different section then i expected on skeirons site |
| 01:53.11 | Drathir | infobot: flaher |
| 01:53.12 | wulfe | yeah its just stuck at boot up on nokia logo |
| 01:53.29 | Drathir | infobot: ~flaher |
| 01:53.39 | wulfe | flasher* |
| 01:53.57 | Drathir | infobot: ~flasher |
| 01:54.32 | Drathir | 3:54 GMT+1 |
| 01:54.36 | Drathir | :p |
| 01:55.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flasher |
| 01:55.47 | infobot | hmm... flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 01:56.46 | Drathir | or i dont like time change that showing now GMT+2 if not wrong :/ |
| 01:57.10 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: infobot dont like direct messages? :/ |
| 01:57.26 | Drathir | botsnack |
| 01:58.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | if infobot would answer to every nonsense that's not addressed to her, this channel would get pretty noisy |
| 01:58.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: botsnack |
| 01:58.15 | infobot | :), DocScrutinizer05 |
| 01:58.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack |
| 01:58.43 | infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 01:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: ~botsnack |
| 01:58.51 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: thanks |
| 01:59.19 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: like you^^ |
| 01:59.36 | Drathir | bot ofc |
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| 07:43.32 | sixwheeledbeast | I agree with Doc ^^^. It benefits maemo more to commit to repairing/bettering core system applications than making an optional application. However I didn't know it was FOSS |
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| 07:50.58 | sixwheeledbeast | wikiedits karma seems repaired :) |
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| 07:57.44 | raid_ | i'm a developer. i'm trying to start developing for linux. what irc channel can i get general information about it in? |
| 07:58.50 | raid_ | besides this one |
| 08:00.49 | sixwheeledbeast | raid_: linux, maemo or both, what language? |
| 08:01.09 | raid_ | linux c++ |
| 08:01.56 | raid_ | not maemo. maemo is nice that i can relate most of what i learn over to it |
| 08:02.51 | raid_ | sixwheeledbeast: ^ |
| 08:03.05 | sixwheeledbeast | raid |
| 08:03.10 | sixwheeledbeast | mompls |
| 08:03.18 | Hurrian | raid_: learn about the POSIX standard, linuxisms and stupid shit glibc does. |
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| 08:04.12 | Hurrian | oh and unless you're doing things that need direct hardware access such as ioctls, your program must run on all Unix-likes without major refactoring. |
| 08:07.55 | raid_ | Hurrian: i'm going to be using boost or qt for abstraction, but i need to learn the mantra for even setting up a project properly |
| 08:08.29 | sixwheeledbeast | ~ping |
| 08:08.30 | infobot | ~pong |
| 08:08.44 | Hurrian | raid_, well, that's pretty cross-platform. Qt Designer has most of what you need. |
| 08:10.28 | raid_ | Hurrian: is that the same as qt creator? |
| 08:11.02 | Hurrian | whoops, meant that. Qt Designer is the graphical design tools. |
| 08:11.02 | raid_ | Hurrian: does it setup the makefile and deb files? |
| 08:11.09 | sixwheeledbeast | raid_: I am no "developer" but I have used Qt. Qt Creator is the lot, designer is only GUI tools |
| 08:11.29 | Hurrian | raid_: Qt Creator has integration with packaging tools. |
| 08:13.02 | raid_ | obviously, users will want to be able to build from source, so i'll to set up a makefile, but i'm not sure if i have to do that by hand or what |
| 08:13.15 | Hurrian | (IIRC the integration is for Maemo, but target the x86/whatever architecture and no one's the wiser ;) |
| 08:13.31 | raid_ | if i don't use Qt, then what would i use? |
| 08:13.52 | Hurrian | raid_: The buildable project has a .pro file that users can use to make the program themselves. |
| 08:13.59 | Hurrian | No idea if Qt can spit out makefiles. |
| 08:14.20 | raid_ | would CodeBlocks fully set me up automatically |
| 08:15.07 | raid_ | i better check them out |
| 08:15.12 | raid_ | Hurrian: thanks |
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| 09:33.59 | XATRIX | Guys, can you tell me which software can i use to be able to work with smb shares over network ? |
| 09:34.16 | Apic | samba |
| 09:34.18 | XATRIX | I can't open any network locations from my maemo file manager |
| 09:34.26 | XATRIX | I need some GUI |
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| 11:08.01 | luf | XATRIX: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38536&page=2 |
| 11:08.35 | luf | It seems to late but maybe you'll take a look into history log |
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| 12:40.14 | jiero | hi, my n900 have a problem: cannot send/receive SMS. |
| 12:41.30 | sixwheeledbeast | jiero: have you proved it's the N900 and not the SIM? |
| 12:42.29 | Drathir | jiero: network is avaible? |
| 12:42.48 | jiero | Drathir: I tried make a call and all works fine. |
| 12:42.56 | jiero | sixwheeledbeast: I don't have another cellphone. |
| 12:43.09 | sixwheeledbeast | jiero: calls ok? |
| 12:43.17 | jiero | except, wifi not working |
| 12:43.57 | jiero | sixwheeledbeast: yes, I make several calls today |
| 12:44.37 | sixwheeledbeast | Im's work? persist a reboot? |
| 12:45.02 | jiero | Is it possible a bug because I enabled extra-devel repository? |
| 12:45.42 | jiero | switched off and it still cannot receive any message from Operator. maybe their problem\ |
| 12:45.51 | sixwheeledbeast | jiero: depends if you have installed anything |
| 12:46.22 | jiero | don't remember what I removed :( that may cause trouble |
| 12:48.19 | jiero | is there a way to disable SMS? |
| 12:49.43 | sixwheeledbeast | can you view old messages? |
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| 12:50.09 | jiero | sixwheeledbeast: yes, I can see. |
| 12:50.24 | jiero | oh, it require the lost lock code... |
| 12:51.00 | sixwheeledbeast | er |
| 12:55.30 | jiero | probably I'm going to reflash it... |
| 12:55.37 | jiero | backup and go... |
| 12:56.37 | jiero | thank you sixwheeledbeast Drathir |
| 12:56.39 | jiero | bye |
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| 13:04.44 | kerio | hm, why doesn't i2c-tools on extras-devel include python-smbus? |
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| 13:06.24 | kerio | MohammadAG: ^ |
| 13:06.40 | kerio | not in the same package, mind you, but the upstream source package can build that package too |
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| 13:08.32 | kerio | although the python situation isn't exactly clear, on the n900 :s |
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| 13:24.10 | MohammadAG | kerio: not sure, I just made a simple package for hostmode |
| 13:24.45 | kerio | MohammadAG: in your source, there's the directory that contains the source to the python module |
| 13:25.22 | kerio | idk if autobuilder can build python extensions |
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| 14:17.31 | Drathir | smscenter problem? |
| 14:18.53 | sixwheeledbeast | jiero's gone... it could be lots of thing's |
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| 14:23.57 | Drathir | sixwheeledbeast: yes true but really dont like unsloved cases, to mysterous??? |
| 14:24.47 | Drathir | better always known the reason of behaviours... |
| 14:24.55 | sixwheeledbeast | Drathir: likewise but more information was required to diagnose |
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| 14:30.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | to those who may wonder: woody is well and probably back by Monday |
| 14:32.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: iirc autobuilder and lang bindings for py etc always been a PITA |
| 14:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: also iirc all stuff that's used in autobuilder's gear is pretty hard to build to a different version than that used in autobuilder |
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| 14:34.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | kinda like apt-get install apt-get |
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| 18:42.52 | XATRIX | Any idea what to use to explore smb shares in GUI ? |
| 18:43.05 | XATRIX | Maybe some plugins/addons to file manager ? |
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| 19:01.35 | OkropNick | Hi. Does anyone know, how to lock device after locking screen on N900? |
| 19:03.36 | cehteh | manually? |
| 19:04.11 | OkropNick | please send memessage if someone know... thanks in advance. |
| 19:04.32 | cehteh | heh |
| 19:05.01 | cehteh | what do you exactl want? |
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| 19:20.42 | discopig | hi |
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| 19:41.16 | raid_ | is there a google authenticator app for the n900? |
| 19:43.50 | freemangordon | ~mirrors |
| 19:43.51 | infobot | it has been said that mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new |
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| 21:50.39 | entitled | has anyone ever sanded their N900 display? |
| 21:51.53 | entitled | just wondering if I'll screw up the digitizer |
| 21:52.20 | cehteh | sanding the display? wtf |
| 21:52.34 | entitled | well the plastic in front of it |
| 21:52.42 | entitled | to get rid of the scratches |
| 21:52.53 | cehteh | polishing you mean then |
| 21:53.12 | cehteh | uses a screen protector |
| 21:53.49 | entitled | well, yeah. but I have to start from 800 or something grittiness |
| 21:53.53 | cehteh | the front is plastic and thats already part of the digitizer |
| 21:54.09 | cehteh | such deep scratches? |
| 21:54.46 | cehteh | may work, but prolly wont, better live with the scratches or try to get a replacement digitizer |
| 21:54.55 | entitled | well I accidently burned the display with a cigarette |
| 21:55.00 | cehteh | and next time use a screen protector |
| 21:55.19 | entitled | not really visible expect in light, but is annoyance when using stylus or even finger |
| 21:55.41 | entitled | the chinese digitizers are crap :/ |
| 21:55.54 | entitled | I do have one spare n900 that suffered water damage |
| 21:56.21 | cehteh | hah you dont have much luck with your n900 .. water, fire .. whats next? |
| 21:56.31 | entitled | If I don't find a solution to get rid of oxidation from the components, I'll use that one |
| 21:56.40 | entitled | well it'+ my friend's old n900 |
| 21:57.24 | cehteh | i'd be very carful with polishing, at least dont use a machine which makes it hot |
| 21:58.11 | entitled | was planning to it by hand |
| 21:58.25 | cehteh | the conductive layer is below the foil, but still you prolly never get a surface as it once was, if it even works |
| 21:58.50 | cehteh | i never heared about someone attempting to polish it |
| 21:59.04 | entitled | 800 > 1000 > 1500 > 2000 > 2500 |
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| 21:59.17 | entitled | well I'll be sure to document it if I do it :p |
| 22:00.17 | cehteh | start with 1000 or even 1500 .. if that doesnt work you can go back to 800 |
| 22:00.48 | entitled | true |
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| 22:15.52 | sixwheeled|away | OkropNick: Do you want to secure the device and lock the screen at the same time? |
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| 22:19.45 | OkropNick | sixwheeledbeast: yes |
| 22:20.29 | sixwheeledbeast | OkropNick: Do you know your lock code? |
| 22:20.44 | OkropNick | sixwheeledbeast: yes |
| 22:22.48 | sixwheeledbeast | you can device lock after a period of time, or dbus both commands with a script |
| 22:22.49 | cehteh | OkropNick: in settings there is a 'security' setting where you can set the timeout .. iirc 5min is the shortest time, but possibly you can configure it shorter somewhere (gconf prolly) |
| 22:23.23 | cehteh | if that does not work there is this dbus-event daemon, i use it to lock the device when certain apps are started, works nicely |
| 22:24.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | # Time before the device shuts down automatically from |
| 22:24.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | # the shutdown query (shown when cancel is pressed in device lock), |
| 22:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | # 0 to disable the timeout |
| 22:24.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | # |
| 22:25.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | # Timeout in seconds, default 0 (disable timeout) |
| 22:25.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | DevLockShutdownTimeout=0 |
| 22:25.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 22:25.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be related |
| 22:25.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops nope |
| 22:25.28 | OkropNick | thank you :) |
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| 22:26.43 | sixwheeledbeast | OkropNick: I wanted the same feature so I added this to my "tenminutecore" app, with an option to set silent too. Handy for lockers at the indoor bouldering centre. |
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| 22:33.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | in gconftool the key /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-display/autolock_period (= 1000) seems related |
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