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| 01:39.15 | stardiviner | MentalistTraceur: why ? |
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| 06:35.49 | XATRIX | Hi guys, any idea how can i make my handset visible via Windows Networking ? |
| 06:36.08 | XATRIX | Yes, basically i know |
| 06:36.31 | XATRIX | I have to run winbind (nmbd) in addition to smbd |
| 06:36.57 | XATRIX | But i'm using tinysmb, it's a bit different than standard samba |
| 06:37.07 | XATRIX | Do i still have to run native nmbd ? |
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| 06:43.59 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: Hi, you there ? |
| 06:44.20 | XATRIX | Also, what do you think about power consumption of my device ? http://fpaste.org/aYsS/ |
| 06:44.27 | XATRIX | Do i have to tune something extra ? |
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| 07:04.24 | sixwheeledbeast | XATRIX: is that powertop idle with the screen off and device locked? |
| 07:04.39 | XATRIX | sixwheeledbeast: Yeap |
| 07:04.52 | XATRIX | But 2.5G up and wifi connected |
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| 07:06.17 | sixwheeledbeast | Well too much C1 you should be looking for at least 90% C4 |
| 07:06.39 | sixwheeledbeast | processes eating CPU in top? |
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| 07:10.13 | XATRIX | seems like none |
| 07:10.39 | XATRIX | after i reboot it CPU: 2.1% usr 0.9% sys 0.0% nice 96.4% idle 0.3% io 0.0% irq 0.0% softirq |
| 07:10.50 | XATRIX | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.54 | XATRIX | 11% cpu use |
| 07:10.59 | XATRIX | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.04 | XATRIX | 6.1% |
| 07:12.40 | XATRIX | sixwheeledbeast: actually i don't think 90% of C4 is possible, cause in this state it should be 90% system halted |
| 07:12.46 | XATRIX | It can't be possible |
| 07:13.15 | XATRIX | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.49 | XATRIX | clean reboot, charging and Wifi + ssh |
| 07:14.12 | sixwheeledbeast | This is about what most get including myself. |
| 07:14.22 | sixwheeledbeast | I'll prove it ... mompls |
| 07:14.46 | XATRIX | hm |
| 07:14.59 | XATRIX | also i have SmartReflex enabled for now |
| 07:15.09 | XATRIX | Nokia-N900:~# cat /sys/power/sr_vdd1_autocomp |
| 07:15.10 | XATRIX | 1 |
| 07:15.15 | XATRIX | vdd2 is equal |
| 07:15.29 | sixwheeledbeast | eh equal? |
| 07:15.44 | XATRIX | vdd1=vdd2 = 1 |
| 07:15.55 | sixwheeledbeast | both on 1? |
| 07:16.01 | XATRIX | sr_vdd1_autocomp = sr_vdd2_autocomp |
| 07:16.02 | XATRIX | yeap |
| 07:16.11 | sixwheeledbeast | overclocking? |
| 07:16.15 | XATRIX | no |
| 07:16.22 | sixwheeledbeast | 250-600? |
| 07:16.36 | XATRIX | http://fpaste.org/bkh4/ |
| 07:16.47 | XATRIX | default one, i changed only autocomp |
| 07:17.18 | XATRIX | nothing more, no cpu 'scaling' software installed |
| 07:18.36 | sixwheeledbeast | I just had 87% C4 on one device with 800 total wakes |
| 07:20.19 | XATRIX | anything you advice me to tune ? |
| 07:21.08 | sixwheeledbeast | kill process that's eating your sleep time. |
| 07:21.48 | XATRIX | can you tell me which one ? |
| 07:21.55 | XATRIX | and is it a good idea ? |
| 07:22.06 | XATRIX | because it was a test after restart |
| 07:22.10 | sixwheeledbeast | C4 is the best sleep C3 is ok in small amounts <=20% |
| 07:22.14 | XATRIX | no web,no media |
| 07:23.24 | sixwheeledbeast | for best results:- offline, wifi off, nothing running but the terminal and locked. |
| 07:23.43 | sixwheeledbeast | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.47 | XATRIX | hm |
| 07:25.00 | XATRIX | how can i press enter during it's locked ? |
| 07:25.09 | XATRIX | to issue powertop ? |
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| 07:26.15 | sixwheeledbeast | enter then lock screen you have 11 second before samples |
| 07:27.35 | XATRIX | ahh |
| 07:27.39 | XATRIX | crap, ok |
| 07:28.06 | XATRIX | so , #powertop > ~/power.log ? |
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| 07:30.48 | sixwheeledbeast | if you want to print to file. |
| 07:33.04 | XATRIX | yea |
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| 07:34.14 | sixwheeledbeast | http://pastebin.com/1SiTFAgU |
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| 07:35.09 | sixwheeledbeast | XATRIX: ^^^ pretty good example output |
| 07:41.17 | XATRIX | damn.. you really have not bad results |
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| 07:50.41 | sixwheeledbeast | XATRIX: That's the sort of thing you need to aim for. |
| 07:51.05 | XATRIX | yea, but i have no idea what should i actually hack in |
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| 07:52.24 | sixwheeledbeast | well it's all about working out what is stopping your device having a snooze. It will be a process/daemon/application/widget etc etc |
| 07:52.43 | XATRIX | yea, ok...will make an experiment right now |
| 07:53.04 | sixwheeledbeast | possibly even multiple offenders but you will notice |
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| 07:53.33 | sixwheeledbeast | if you can pastebin your pkg list I can possibly guess |
| 07:54.59 | sixwheeledbeast | IIRC "maemo-list-user-packages" in a terminal? |
| 07:55.49 | XATRIX | http://fpaste.org/nLry/ |
| 07:57.07 | XATRIX | also, should i disconnect if from usb before starting powertop? |
| 07:57.48 | sixwheeledbeast | sorry yes no charging, this will mess results up |
| 07:57.55 | XATRIX | ok |
| 07:58.14 | XATRIX | no radio, no charging, no active apps, |
| 07:58.17 | XATRIX | and locked |
| 07:58.28 | sixwheeledbeast | well packages I personally suspect of eating resource are:- |
| 07:58.30 | sixwheeledbeast | ... |
| 08:01.54 | sixwheeledbeast | qtlockscreeen, personal ip widget and maybe advanced power |
| 08:02.21 | XATRIX | advanced power is for percentage monitoring in system tray |
| 08:02.32 | XATRIX | + it tells me approx time to discharge |
| 08:02.35 | sixwheeledbeast | battery monitoring eats CPU :) |
| 08:02.43 | XATRIX | qtlockscreen maybe i have to kick it out |
| 08:03.03 | XATRIX | but, the default one indicator does the checks also, so it also drains power ) |
| 08:03.15 | XATRIX | doesn't make much sens ;) |
| 08:03.56 | sixwheeledbeast | it works differently IIRC |
| 08:04.14 | XATRIX | sure, but it also does queries to BME :) |
| 08:04.42 | XATRIX | you can change the handling of the monitoring software, but the way it asks for data still the same :) |
| 08:04.55 | sixwheeledbeast | also home ip |
| 08:05.17 | XATRIX | mmm |
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| 08:05.42 | sixwheeledbeast | it's one of those widgets I used and removed |
| 08:05.45 | XATRIX | yea , i agree, but i'd like to test powertop before, maybe it doesn't drain it so hard |
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| 08:06.21 | XATRIX | i need something to quickinform me about my current addr, cause it's hard for me, eveytime to unlock it , and "ip addr" it |
| 08:06.40 | sixwheeledbeast | bare in mind I have tested a lot of apps and seen there fx |
| 08:07.27 | XATRIX | yeap , maybe you have a better way to find out what ip do i currently have without home ip ? |
| 08:07.33 | sixwheeledbeast | I have recently removed my QBW's to save power |
| 08:07.35 | XATRIX | i have none :( |
| 08:07.40 | XATRIX | QBW ? |
| 08:07.56 | sixwheeledbeast | QBW will do it I used it after personal ip |
| 08:08.02 | sixwheeledbeast | queen beecon wodget |
| 08:08.14 | sixwheeledbeast | s/wodget/widget/ |
| 08:08.16 | XATRIX | i don't think i have some |
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| 08:14.55 | XATRIX | holy crap |
| 08:14.58 | XATRIX | http://fpaste.org/dSq2/ |
| 08:15.36 | XATRIX | rebooted device, locked, no wireless, only GSM, no sshd, a few widgets on a desktop |
| 08:15.53 | XATRIX | mail informer, calendar events , home ip |
| 08:16.48 | XATRIX | maybe i have to disable pulseaudio ? |
| 08:16.58 | XATRIX | and make it use plain alsa ? |
| 08:18.13 | XATRIX | now i turned on sshd, wifi, locked, and no extra software i started http://fpaste.org/h4pi/ |
| 08:18.42 | XATRIX | seems like wireless doesn't let device to fall back to sleep state C4 |
| 08:19.09 | XATRIX | that's really crap |
| 08:19.44 | sixwheeledbeast | mobile hotspot? |
| 08:20.35 | XATRIX | yea, it's a ad-hoc access point software |
| 08:20.45 | XATRIX | i can NAT external connections |
| 08:21.03 | XATRIX | usually i don't use it |
| 08:21.34 | sixwheeledbeast | i am suggesting possible cause |
| 08:21.35 | XATRIX | also, why does it tell me qtlockscreen installed as you remember ? http://fpaste.org/osYw/ |
| 08:21.54 | XATRIX | mobile hostspot is not an autostart software |
| 08:22.03 | sixwheeledbeast | this can happen |
| 08:22.30 | XATRIX | also, i did bochs emulator installation via apt-get install |
| 08:22.42 | XATRIX | i think it's a proper way to install software |
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| 08:25.03 | sixwheeledbeast | XATRIX: well you have pretty much proved it's an application ^ |
| 08:25.26 | XATRIX | sorry, what do you mean ? |
| 08:26.34 | XATRIX | sixwheeledbeast: and why does browserd eats a lot of cpu ? http://fpaste.org/pYnb/ |
| 08:26.47 | XATRIX | but as long as i see it shouldn't , the state of the process is S |
| 08:26.57 | XATRIX | Sleep mode, it's not [R]unning |
| 08:27.00 | sixwheeledbeast | something must be causing issues when wifi is back on |
| 08:27.41 | sixwheeledbeast | That's RAM not CPU! |
| 08:28.14 | sixwheeledbeast | oh ssh that could be messing up powertop output. |
| 08:28.40 | XATRIX | ah ,crap, sorry |
| 08:28.42 | XATRIX | my falut |
| 08:29.36 | XATRIX | also, that's the current data of my BME http://fpaste.org/daUz/ |
| 08:29.55 | kerio | it's not the data of your BME |
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| 08:54.51 | XATRIX | hm, i'm also curious, why it does drain battery while i was talking to my friend with plugged in USB |
| 08:55.33 | XATRIX | i think it should take power directly from the outlet, instead of battery, while it fully charged and charger plugged in |
| 08:58.30 | XATRIX | hm...wtf ? it's discharging |
| 08:58.33 | XATRIX | CSOC: 96 % RSOC: 96 % |
| 08:58.45 | XATRIX | it was 97 percent... and charge indicator is green |
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| 09:04.24 | thedead1440 | iirc it doesn |
| 09:04.33 | thedead1440 | 't charge till its down to 92% |
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| 09:06.58 | XATRIX | hmm |
| 09:07.04 | XATRIX | negative |
| 09:07.22 | XATRIX | it starts to charge, even if you unlpug/plug charger |
| 09:08.16 | XATRIX | ok guys, have to go now |
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| 09:28.46 | kerio | thedead1440: are you sure about the number? i thought it was 90 |
| 09:29.25 | thedead1440 | kerio: yeah could be that; not too sure it was around that range though |
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| 10:08.28 | ShadowJK | Depends on load too |
| 10:10.01 | kerio | it's a bq thing, right |
| 10:10.09 | kerio | it's not software-controlled |
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| 13:17.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are two charge cycle mechanisms: bq24150 resuming charging when a certain *voltage* threshold is tripped. And bme forcing bq24150 into charging every 2min or somesuch |
| 13:19.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bme_microcycle_log |
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| 13:28.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | note that at least two charger chip (bq24150 and pcf50633) use same voltage threshold mechanism for battery maintenance at full |
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| 13:31.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | since manufacturers most likely do diligent and extensive research how to design their battery charger chips before they invest millions $$ into production of a chip with fixed maskprogrammed algorithm, you should assume that this is the generally recommended best method to maintain LiIon cells |
| 13:31.41 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: does bq24k have a flag that says "charge has ended so now it's discharged but will recharge once we hit the threshold"? |
| 13:31.52 | kerio | *discharging |
| 13:31.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 13:31.55 | kerio | *not charging |
| 13:32.03 | kerio | then why the F doesn't the bme replacement use it |
| 13:32.31 | kerio | oh and also *start charging again |
| 13:33.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a flag user can set to enable this auto-recharge |
| 13:34.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | VDQ is probably a good flag telling "it been fully charged and now is discharging" |
| 13:35.23 | kerio | hmm, i suppose that you still have to know if the charger is connected |
| 13:35.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | any power-good flag will serve for "charger attached" - so this plus the aut-recharge-enable-flag will indicate that chip will resume charging once it hits the (amazingly even hardcoded) discharge threshold |
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| 13:36.27 | xes | hmm.... i have a little collection of a few versions of that bq27200.sh script.. Could someone point me to the latest one? |
| 13:36.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k |
| 13:37.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k-detail |
| 13:37.02 | infobot | i heard bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 13:37.09 | kerio | i should probably make bq27k.py work without the sysnode too |
| 13:37.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | next to it is my version of bq27200.sh |
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| 13:39.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you probably should include a timer that does "kill $$" when that library is called faster than every 1.0 seconds |
| 13:40.12 | kerio | but... i2cget lets me do it! |
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| 14:04.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: my reflow station finally arrived :-D |
| 14:05.02 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: :-) Nice to hear this! |
| 14:05.35 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: first impression? |
| 14:05.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course with a powercord that doesn't fit into EU outlets, and two adapeter plugs that don't fit to the powercord ;-P |
| 14:07.35 | xes | ..powercord...details ;-) |
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| 14:07.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | apart from that, it seems a pretty nice device (though it started emitting smoke for a minute or so when I cranked it up to 450°C) |
| 14:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | If I was a anxious character, this would've scared me |
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| 14:10.04 | xes | yep. First start needs to burn all the oil that protects the metal |
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| 14:12.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 14:12.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | the nozzles are a bit flimsy |
| 14:12.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly the bayonet lock |
| 14:13.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | but all in all a bargain for sure |
| 14:13.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't wait to find a SMD PCB to torture ;-) |
| 14:14.35 | xes | my first operation was to torture the latest hard drive that loosed my data... :-D |
| 14:15.02 | xes | do you have some hard drive to burn? ;-) |
| 14:16.33 | xes | at the end the pcb was completely empty. Then i started soldereding again some ic. A good training |
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| 14:17.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm planning something similar, but I have no defect HDD that I could spare for this |
| 14:18.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I will find some other crap electronics for that pupose ;-D |
| 14:18.44 | ShadowJK | Where did you get this from? |
| 14:18.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh, I think I have some broken mice that I kept for spare parts :-D |
| 14:18.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | fleabay |
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| 14:27.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I picked a seller with "location of goods: <Germany>" and then it turned out it's a german executive of a chinese seller, and that chinese seller told me they couldn't get the ATTEN858 "due to manufacturer claimed quality problems", and offered me a) another device for only 25EUR up; b) transfer back my paypal payment; c) wait a week until they sourced form elsewhere and sent the bulk shipment to Germany. I opted for c) |
| 14:31.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | one real complaint: the cable from station to tool is unbearable. I might eventually replace it with a flexible one, maybe even silicon isolation cable |
| 14:32.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | now I just wonder what nonsense I could do with that tool ;-D - maybe prepare some popcorn in a tin? |
| 14:34.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | or finally prepare my steak EE style? Fry the surface of the frozen steak with 450°C hot air, then gently heat it up in microwave til it has 58°C core temperature |
| 14:38.27 | Drathir | what mean burn hdd? |
| 14:39.00 | Drathir | electronics? |
| 14:40.35 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: 25€ looks big... |
| 14:48.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: burn hdd -> unsolder all chips with ATTEN858 |
| 14:49.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: for 25EUR up they'd offer me a station mit hot air and soldering iron, but no digital temperature control - not exactly what I wanted or needed. I got a decent high quality soldering station already |
| 14:50.30 | ShadowJK | For someone like me who is hopeless at soldering, temperature controlled iron is absolute must ;) |
| 15:00.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | proper electronic acid free flux is even more |
| 15:01.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | the most difficult detail in soldering? keep the two parts *absolutely* steady while solder cools down and "freezes" |
| 15:01.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | much the same as for epoxy glue |
| 15:02.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | just way more sensitive |
| 15:10.03 | ShadowJK | not as big an issue with tht and ptp ;-) |
| 15:10.29 | ShadowJK | 60/40 is still allowed for hobbyists luckily |
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| 15:22.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | tht? ptp? |
| 15:23.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | 60/40 sure, *never* use Pb-free solder! |
| 15:24.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sn60Pb38Cu2 |
| 15:25.23 | Macer | http://obamapacman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/AOL-1996-vs.-Microsoft-Windows-8.jpg |
| 15:25.26 | Macer | heh |
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| 15:32.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: also use a high quality solder wire with noclean flux core of good quality |
| 15:33.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | cheap noname solder wire is unbearable in that regard |
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| 15:36.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | you most likely want to get additional flux for more delicate rework: http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/solder/fluxes/no-clean-flux-paste-8341/ for example |
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| 15:39.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I use edsyn FL88, quite convenient pen to apply flux |
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| 15:44.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1697741.pdf |
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| 15:57.30 | ShadowJK | through-hole-tech and point-to-point ;-) |
| 15:57.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* wiki VM "down" |
| 15:58.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's point-to-point ? |
| 15:58.52 | ShadowJK | no pcb, component soldered to eachother |
| 15:59.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 15:59.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | the classical method, used in valve radios ;-D |
| 15:59.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least in very old ones |
| 16:00.59 | ShadowJK | Some TVs too |
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| 16:30.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: ping |
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| 17:55.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] repo is down due to VIF XEN bug. we need to reboot blade-a eventually |
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| 18:01.27 | MentalistTraceur | DocScrutinizer05: But, what will I do without package updates for a few hours? How will I live? |
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| 18:43.36 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, pong? |
| 18:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: we need a report in next MWKN |
| 18:44.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/community/council/elections_announcement/ |
| 18:46.14 | GeneralAntilles | https://twitter.com/GeneralAntilles/status/320608368047820801 |
| 18:46.16 | GeneralAntilles | Noted. |
| 18:46.39 | Macer | http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4029.pdf |
| 18:46.45 | Macer | argh. sorry. |
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| 18:48.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: please don't get accustomed to that |
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| 18:49.51 | Macer | huh? |
| 18:50.16 | MentalistTraceur | Huh, I didn't know the IRC allowed for social security / medicare tax payment exemptions. |
| 18:50.27 | Macer | i pasted that in teh wrong window |
| 18:50.49 | Macer | MentalistTraceur: it probably does ;) |
| 18:50.55 | Macer | start the churck of IRC heh |
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| 18:55.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: (pasted to wrong window) second time in a row |
| 18:56.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | if your contributions stay at that level, it may earn you some restrictions in this chan |
| 18:57.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | since two similar "oops" in sequence smell like intentional spamming |
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| 19:00.27 | MentalistTraceur | DocScrutinizer05: To be fair it's unlikely that intentional spamming would involve links to official US govm't tax forms. :) |
| 19:01.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not checking unsolicited random URLs posted in IRC, *ever* |
| 19:02.03 | MentalistTraceur | Fair enough. But just fyi irs.gov is United States' Internal Revenue Service's official government website. |
| 19:02.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I rather stick to the rule of thumb that any URL posted without either additional context on what it's meant for, or a clear reference in URL itself that gives a clue in fact already *is* spam |
| 19:04.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | the "oops" and "argh. sorry. " in direct context to the URLs posted invalidated them for any checking whatsoever |
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| 19:09.29 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: 2nd time in a row? |
| 19:09.45 | MentalistTraceur | *Shrug* My only point is that I think the label spam does not apply to accidental mistakes, and if you're going to label all such posts spam, especially without consideration of the URL involved (not necessarily open the URL, but consider what it looks like), then you're likely to punish people for innocent mistakes with measures that should be reserved for the intentionally spamming. |
| 19:11.24 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: i'd hop that the "oops" and "argh" did stop people from checking |
| 19:11.43 | Macer | the point being that it was accidently posted... i would think that knockoff viagra would be a more obvious spam ;) |
| 19:12.27 | Macer | speaking of which.... DocScrutinizer05 when you guys were moving your gear over you had a page that showed the people taht were helping you do it with the letters... i was wondering if you had that address again |
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| 19:14.28 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, relax, man. |
| 19:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm completely relaxed |
| 19:15.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: please rephrase, I dunno what page or letters or whataver you're talking about |
| 19:16.10 | Macer | oh. when you were doing the move of maemo.org.. and it had the information about the move like the company hosting it etc |
| 19:16.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure ?? |
| 19:17.11 | Macer | awesome thanks |
| 19:17.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | np |
| 19:18.11 | Macer | was the ownership of maemo.org ever determined? |
| 19:18.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | right now Nokia owns it still |
| 19:18.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | since HiFo seems unable to sign the contract |
| 19:19.21 | MentalistTraceur | Whenever HiFo Board gets around to holding a meeting, they can finally say "we officially approve this transfer contract". |
| 19:19.23 | Macer | oh :-/ |
| 19:19.44 | MentalistTraceur | Bureaucracy at its finest. |
| 19:20.26 | Macer | sigh |
| 19:20.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | or some particular member can come up with further "we need to discuss this" concerns |
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| 19:33.36 | Macer | this e7 cam sucks and my n900 is charging :-/ |
| 19:33.44 | Macer | i need to take a close photo |
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| 20:59.17 | RiD | hello. I have a question - Has anyone successfully used a Logitech keyboard and mouse on the n900, by plugging in the unifying little thing with hostmode? |
| 20:59.40 | RiD | http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2011/11/40e8ef787b1f4b9231ede61bcfed94c5.jpg | Android seems to support it natively |
| 20:59.46 | RiD | so i guess there's no need for special drivers and all that? |
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| 21:40.53 | Creteil | hi all |
| 21:41.41 | Creteil | just made an apt-get upgrade on my N900, new cssu kernel was installed, but no trace of the new kernel in the multiboot menu ... |
| 21:41.46 | Creteil | any idea ? |
| 21:43.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: for all I know the Logitech unifying series are capable to use normal bluetooth, so no need for any such stuff like hostmode or that dongle, just pair your mouse and kbd to the N900 bt |
| 21:44.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | (I could test that with my MX5500 kbd I have collecting dust here, if I had some time to do it...) |
| 21:49.28 | RiD | wait what |
| 21:49.35 | RiD | i was not aware of that |
| 21:51.28 | RiD | "It is essentially proprietary bluetooth, that's been closed down in software, only pairing with Logitech devices. " |
| 21:51.29 | RiD | hmm |
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| 21:55.02 | RiD | DocScrutinizer05 if you could do that, would you mind PMing me (RiD on forums) with the results? This if I'm not online here |
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| 21:55.43 | XATRIX | Hi , anything you can advice to run android apps in maemo ? |
| 21:55.57 | XATRIX | Any emulators,wrappers whatever |
| 21:56.44 | StyXman | XATRIX: not that I know off |
| 21:56.52 | XATRIX | :( |
| 21:57.07 | StyXman | and there are not even dalvik ports to linux |
| 21:57.14 | StyXman | (AFAIK) |
| 21:58.20 | XATRIX | Hm... so i can't find anything dalvik's related ? |
| 21:59.30 | RiD | there were some videos about that... but it was never published |
| 22:00.44 | XATRIX | Yea , i saw one of it. But you mean, i can't find any software of it ? |
| 22:01.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: I already paired my MX5500 mouse and kbd to a regular lenovo laptop's BT |
| 22:01.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 22:01.39 | RiD | both Logitech? |
| 22:01.48 | RiD | or a regular bluetooth keyboard |
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| 22:04.14 | XATRIX | Is it safe to install that packages ? http://fpaste.org/Yea4/ |
| 22:04.34 | XATRIX | My hildon updater shows me no updates are currently needed |
| 22:04.41 | XATRIX | But apt-get thinks different |
| 22:06.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: sorry, it seems I got mistaken - unifying receiver is _not_ meant to be BT |
| 22:06.47 | RiD | ok. so only possible with OTG? |
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| 22:08.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.logitech.com/en-us/support/cordless-desktop-mx-5500-revolution?crid=403 |
| 22:09.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9343/related/1/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xMzY1Mjg2MTExL3NpZC9jU1FVdDNubA== |
| 22:10.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>A special version of the MX Revolution mouse included with the Cordless Desktop MX 5500 Revolution is a Bluetooth mouse and will connect to any system that has the appropriate Bluetooth software and hardware installed.<< |
| 22:10.33 | RiD | i see |
| 22:10.44 | RiD | i checked the support for what i want to buy and it doesn't mention bluetooth anywhere |
| 22:11.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I thought my MX5500 BT support was a property of unifying, but obviously it's not, rather it seems it's a special property of MX5500 not related to unifying |
| 22:13.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9492/related/1 |
| 22:15.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/app/answers/list/kw/can unifying use bluetooth |
| 22:16.31 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: Is it safe to install that packages ? http://fpaste.org/Yea4/ |
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| 22:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Mice-and-Pointing-Devices/Unifying-versus-Bluetooth/m-p/917274/highlight/true#M43516 |
| 22:28.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be interesting |
| 22:29.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: apt-get upgrade is deprecated |
| 22:29.46 | XATRIX | hm |
| 22:30.03 | XATRIX | but i still can install software with apt-get install\ |
| 22:30.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 22:30.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you'll maybe notice when it introduces problems |
| 22:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | with upgrade you more likely will install pkgs(-versions) that cause problems, and less likely you'll notice which pkg it been that gives you trouble |
| 22:31.35 | XATRIX | but how can i install software not using hildon-crappy-package manager ? |
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| 22:35.51 | MentalistTraceur | XATRIX: You can still use apt-get directly, the point is it's not recommended to run 'apt-get upgrade' specifically. |
| 22:36.31 | XATRIX | ok, thanks for the advice |
| 22:36.52 | MentalistTraceur | 'apt-get upgrade' blindly grabs all latest versions of packages. Which, depending on what repositories you have enabled, can mess things up. |
| 22:40.07 | MentalistTraceur | You could for example run "apt-get -s upgrade" (the -s tells apt-get to 'simulate' what it will try to do without actually doing it), see what packages it would thus try to install, and then install the packages out of that list that you actually installed/use yourself. Those will in turn pull any upgraded library/dependency packages, up to the version they need. |
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| 22:40.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: for indiscriminate upgrade you'll have to stick to HAM, since only HAM knows about package groups |
| 22:41.53 | XATRIX | ok, but is there any way to speed it up ? it's slow as hell |
| 22:41.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | for HAMless updating/upgrading listen to MentalistTraceur |
| 22:43.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are several updated system lib versions and similar stuff, that would break things but nevertheless apt-get upgrade would import/upgrade them |
| 22:43.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | for example in your pastebin: |
| 22:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Reading state information... Done |
| 22:43.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 22:43.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | is just luck since libstdc++6 very likely already would mess up your whole system fubar |
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| 22:45.01 | XATRIX | Yes, that's why i didn't press Y |
| 22:45.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | for >>file libmagic1 python-hildondesktop<< I wouldn't bet on the latter 2 to be safe either |
| 22:45.26 | MentalistTraceur | XATRIX: There's also Faster Application Manager, which works WAY faster than HAM. |
| 22:46.36 | XATRIX | Ok,i'm gonna try it , apt-get install fapman |
| 22:48.25 | FIQ | DocScrutinizer05> XATRIX: for indiscriminate upgrade you'll have to stick to HAM, since only HAM knows about package groups |
| 22:48.37 | MentalistTraceur | Yep. Honestly, when I have to reflash my N900 and set it up from scratch, FApMan is one the first things I download. |
| 22:48.38 | FIQ | has there been any plans on giving this functionality to n900's dpkg? |
| 22:48.51 | MentalistTraceur | Then I never touch HAM again. |
| 22:49.05 | RiD | HAM is fast |
| 22:49.10 | FIQ | fapman sooner or later borks n900 as it for some reason issues autoremove in some cirumstances.. at least that's what I''ve heard |
| 22:49.11 | RiD | as long as you don't have any repos enabled on it |
| 22:49.19 | XATRIX | FIQ "XATRIX: You can still use apt-get directly" |
| 22:49.36 | XATRIX | HAM is just a frontend to apt-get |
| 22:49.37 | FIQ | XATRIX: yes, but enabling the possibility to use upgrade w/o breaking stuff I mean |
| 22:49.41 | XATRIX | As long as i know |
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| 22:49.54 | FIQ | *I've |
| 22:49.55 | XATRIX | Ok, will use HAM |
| 22:49.57 | RiD | XATRIX but it constantly updates the list everytime you install one application |
| 22:50.11 | FIQ | ~hma |
| 22:50.11 | infobot | somebody said hma was high memory area |
| 22:50.13 | FIQ | ~ham |
| 22:50.13 | infobot | rumour has it, ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow like molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does |
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| 22:50.43 | MentalistTraceur | RiD: Depends on how many repos you have enabled. I develop on my N900, and in general there's some packages I need form the Nokia SDK repos. |
| 22:50.50 | MentalistTraceur | s/form/from/ |
| 22:51.43 | XATRIX | Also, why my handset can't get into C4 if i have Wifi enabled ? No other software is engaged |
| 22:51.52 | XATRIX | Most time it does C2 |
| 22:52.13 | MentalistTraceur | FIQ: I've never had my system destabilized by FApMan, so I'm not sure about that being the case, either in the current version or otherwise. |
| 22:52.44 | Skry | I haven't have any problems with it either |
| 22:52.46 | RiD | from what i remember, I never had any issue with fapman either |
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