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| 00:28.09 | RST38h | yawns, kills a hamster |
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| 01:49.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | must |
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| 05:54.37 | eddyb | I've just woken up |
| 05:54.59 | eddyb | and my N900 which was charging overnight is off |
| 05:55.20 | eddyb | I have multiboot, power kernel doesn't work, default kinda does |
| 05:55.40 | eddyb | but when I start it, the led goes white/yellow and then fades off |
| 05:56.14 | eddyb | and if I leave the bootloader alone, it reboots or something, in a loop |
| 05:57.26 | eddyb | the internet says batery too low |
| 05:59.50 | Drathir | i vave solution to get back internet connection without restart the phone when write cant connect... only what need to do is 2 times ifconfig phonet0 down |
| 06:00.32 | Drathir | and after gprs and network off 2 times ifconfig phonet0 up |
| 06:01.25 | Drathir | eddyb: charger is broken i think... |
| 06:01.38 | eddyb | Drathir: that's what I thought, too |
| 06:02.43 | Drathir | eddyb: connect phone to pc and stay that few hours usb charging can be little slower... |
| 06:03.18 | eddyb | it seems to work better from my laptop, but I think the usb cable is a bit borked :( |
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| 06:05.17 | Drathir | eddyb: ewentually put off battery for about minutes and try then put in back and poweron phone... but i have only one that situation that phone dont see charger and dont charging... |
| 06:05.51 | eddyb | damn thing still restarts when connected to the laptop |
| 06:06.02 | eddyb | so it's something in the phone that's broken :( |
| 06:07.08 | Drathir | eddyb: you must stay phone off about 15-30 min depends of charging power to phone can boot up corectly... |
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| 06:11.58 | Drathir | if make loop when connected i think isnt bad phone try to make something like in my words pre boot mode and have to little batery power to do that and do that in loop mode when battery go to enough power loop sould stop and phone will be charging orange blinking light... |
| 06:14.43 | eddyb | it's charging |
| 06:14.57 | eddyb | but every half a minute it reboots |
| 06:15.21 | eddyb | and because nokia is stupid, it drains battery with that vibrator motor and the screen |
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| 06:23.43 | Drathir | low secure thing that maybe can broke your phone is put out the battery when phone is connected to charger and put in bac that can help stop loop mode but i think could be very risky and dangerous... |
| 06:24.31 | eddyb | XD |
| 06:25.12 | eddyb | anyway, I'll leave it in there, hopefully it charges a bit while I'm gone |
| 06:26.11 | Drathir | yes should charge in max 30 minutes to stop loop mode... |
| 06:29.31 | Drathir | my 750mA make that in 10-15min when have drained battery... pc usb depends of pc could e 350-500mA max 900 if good remember... |
| 06:31.40 | Drathir | i have too broken Nokia charger 1200mA she charging slower than phone discharging ^^ |
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| 07:11.27 | Drathir | what is for buffer there ? http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?h=www&m=load_one&r=2hr&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&st=1364822289&g=mem_report&z=large&c=maemo |
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| 09:41.42 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm, someone using one of my apps is having trouble but I can't see why. |
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| 09:42.33 | sixwheeledbeast | seems when pressing a checkbox while in terminal this appears http://pastebin.com/30tKRUw4 |
| 09:45.22 | SpeedEvil | that's not a local error |
| 09:45.38 | SpeedEvil | oh, never mind |
| 09:46.39 | SpeedEvil | sorry, forgotten what x errors I may have known. |
| 09:49.20 | sixwheeledbeast | SpeedEvil: I am not sure at all, I guess a X Error is not local, a quick google of the error points to pixman |
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| 09:59.37 | SpeedEvil | I was suffering context failure, and thinking of android :'( |
| 09:59.43 | SpeedEvil | which has no x |
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| 10:01.44 | Apic | Damn. I did "passwd -l root", now "sudo gainroot" stopped working |
| 10:01.50 | Apic | Hope deinstall/install Cycle will help |
| 10:02.45 | Apic | Ah, »sudser« looks good |
| 10:04.06 | sixwheeledbeast | ~sudser |
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| 10:05.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | sudser is da shite |
| 10:06.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | re-install rootsh |
| 10:07.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | or use ssh root@localhost |
| 10:07.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, that won't work either with password locked |
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| 10:08.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | restore etc/passwd in BM |
| 10:08.32 | Apic | BM? |
| 10:08.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 10:08.37 | infobot | backupmenu is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 10:08.43 | Apic | Ah, k |
| 10:08.48 | Apic | tnx |
| 10:08.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ssh might still work |
| 10:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | depending on what you did, do you have sshkeys installed |
| 10:09.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 10:10.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | uninstall and reinstall ssh might ask you for a password for root ;-) |
| 10:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | a *new* password |
| 10:15.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | eddyb: nope that's not nokia who's stupid. you probably ran into flatbat ddeadlock, your rootfs doesn't charge anymore, and thus you are locked in a bootloop that you only can escape with external charger and flashing |
| 10:16.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I *never* heard about taking out battery while charging stops bootloop |
| 10:22.20 | kerio | yeah, that one's BS |
| 10:22.31 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: has anyone tested ramloading on low battery yet |
| 10:22.32 | kerio | ? |
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| 10:22.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody for sure, just I don't know her/him |
| 10:23.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, I planned to suggest rescueOS but forgot |
| 10:23.40 | kerio | hrmpf |
| 10:23.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you know anyone who tested ramloading on low battery yet? |
| 10:23.58 | kerio | is that better? |
| 10:24.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I don't know anybody |
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| 10:28.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare for king, he obviously fixed the "matterhorn" issue in http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?h=www&m=load_one&r=2hr&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&st=1364822289&g=mem_report&z=large&c=maemo |
| 10:28.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | FINALLY! :-)) |
| 10:29.55 | kerio | yay |
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| 10:40.56 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
| 10:41.31 | Apic | B-) |
| 10:43.46 | jacekowski | are we sure that it's not because the cron job causing this is not running anymore? |
| 10:49.24 | kerio | either way |
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| 11:03.02 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: thanks, and to be clear: my remark was that turning on the vibrator was a stupid idea from nokia |
| 11:03.14 | eddyb | hey, you know what? it's green now |
| 11:03.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | turning on vibrator? |
| 11:03.43 | eddyb | in that loop, every half a minute or so, it was vibrating |
| 11:04.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, it's doing a short vibra kick during boot |
| 11:04.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing wrong with that |
| 11:04.47 | eddyb | it happened so often that it made me think it's wasting all that energy on the stupid motor |
| 11:04.51 | eddyb | oh dammit |
| 11:05.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | the moment it does that the battery is supposed to have already enough charge form emergency charging to power the device for at least a few minutes, even with a short vibra kick |
| 11:05.30 | eddyb | it's fully charged but I still get a yellow (the first time, now white) led fading then a restart |
| 11:05.58 | eddyb | now it's white every time |
| 11:06.25 | eddyb | I left it charging this morning (about 4-5 hours ago) and when I came back it had green on the led |
| 11:06.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | your rootfs is fsckdup, you need to fix bme to re-enable proper charging |
| 11:06.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | or your charger is broken |
| 11:07.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd bet on bme |
| 11:07.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and KP |
| 11:07.34 | eddyb | yeah, the problem happened even with USB charging and now it kinda looks charged |
| 11:07.43 | eddyb | but something in the kernel/system is bad |
| 11:08.12 | eddyb | so I took the battery out, what now :/? |
| 11:08.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | something broke around bq27200_battery.ko, bq24150.ko, bme-replacement, and powerkernel |
| 11:09.00 | eddyb | oh, I just watched a DEFCON presentation on hacking apple batteries, which use similar bq chips |
| 11:09.13 | kerio | maybe he doesn't even have the bme replacement installed |
| 11:09.20 | eddyb | are those ko objects in the fs or in an initrd? |
| 11:09.28 | kerio | eddyb: just because they're called "bq", it doesn't mean they are similar |
| 11:09.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1st thing to check: remove battery, press and hold "U" key, insert battery, check if NOKIA screen with USB icon *stays* |
| 11:09.48 | eddyb | kerio: but they're still TI battery chips |
| 11:10.26 | kerio | yeah, but afaik they're complex enough to have an uploadable firmware |
| 11:10.28 | eddyb | do I let go of U? |
| 11:10.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | only after device powered up |
| 11:11.09 | eddyb | kerio: so do apple batteries, I guess you're referring to the fact that apple or nokia can write their own firmwares |
| 11:11.25 | kerio | no, i mean apple batteries |
| 11:11.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | hold U, insert battery, push powerbutton or plug USB charger, check screen, release U |
| 11:11.35 | kerio | the bq27200 on n900 doesn't have anything similar |
| 11:12.01 | eddyb | oh I didn't power it |
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| 11:13.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | if NOKIA&USB stays, you release U and power it down again (immediately to save battery). Then prepare ~flashing |
| 11:13.48 | eddyb | yellow/orange led on |
| 11:13.55 | eddyb | screen is stayin |
| 11:14.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | if NOKIA&USB doesn't stay, you're out of luck since your battery is too weak for flashing |
| 11:14.29 | eddyb | what would change by flashing? |
| 11:14.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | it resets your system to stock config |
| 11:15.13 | eddyb | I installed multiboot, nitdroid and powerkernel (the last one doesn't start at all in multiboot) |
| 11:15.24 | kerio | oh god |
| 11:15.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | since it's pretty much the only thing you can do with a bootloop (except rescueOS and BM), it's probably the thing you wanna go for |
| 11:16.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~maemo-multiboot |
| 11:16.09 | infobot | well, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
| 11:16.09 | eddyb | and I have some stuff in MyDocs (which I hope I'll get to keep) but I'm not sure about contacts, browser history, etc |
| 11:16.23 | eddyb | lol |
| 11:16.25 | kerio | if you don't know how to get out of a bootloop, you shouldn't go anywhere near nitdroid |
| 11:16.37 | eddyb | I haven't used it in months |
| 11:16.38 | kerio | and, regardless of who you are, you shoudln't think about going anywhere near multiboot |
| 11:17.08 | eddyb | mostly because it breaks powerkernel and I have to force-reinstall three things to have powerkernel working in multiboot after I use nitdroid |
| 11:17.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | eddyb: that's the "nice" feature of multiboot: it can nuke your whole system every single boot you do |
| 11:17.32 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: that's why it says "can't find files to flash"? |
| 11:17.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | aborting the boot is sufficient to do that to your system |
| 11:17.45 | eddyb | when powerkernel it's broken by nitdroid or now |
| 11:17.55 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: oh shit I think that's what happened here |
| 11:18.13 | eddyb | damn :( |
| 11:18.17 | eddyb | ~flashing |
| 11:18.18 | infobot | i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 11:18.46 | eddyb | I'm guessing this? http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux_PC |
| 11:19.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | all your settings and data and history and contacts live in your homedir on eMMC, they will survive a rootfs flashing |
| 11:19.29 | eddyb | thanks, I feel better now |
| 11:19.43 | eddyb | oh, fiasco. a friend of mine wrote 0xffff |
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| 11:20.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if multiboot should get removed from extras(-testing) |
| 11:20.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it even is there |
| 11:21.17 | eddyb | so I should never touch nitdroid again? |
| 11:21.25 | eddyb | gingerbread isn't that good anyway :( |
| 11:21.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure it's dangerous and harmful to device, and I think it's missing any proper warning about that fact |
| 11:22.01 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: it would be nice if the whole NOLO thing was explained somewhere |
| 11:22.45 | eddyb | all this embedded bootloader stuff is weird, especially when it's proprietary/custom |
| 11:23.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | eddyb: let me put it this way: even the nitdroid guys abandoned multiboot afaik. And in my book N900 is a maemo device, not a android device. There are better cheaper android devices, but there's no other maemo device at all |
| 11:24.18 | eddyb | sadly, maemo isn't the peak of mobile linux, and I would've liked to use Chrome/Chromium on it :( |
| 11:24.53 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: IIRC the installer uses multiboot. or it did a few months ago when I installed it |
| 11:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think there's a #nitdroid channel. It's dead I've been told |
| 11:25.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | eddyb: if you want android, sell your N900 on ebay and get two SGS2 for the money you earned from your N900 |
| 11:25.42 | eddyb | I think I've tried Mer or Nemo, but those used an external SD (which was a bit slow, and I have to make my own partitions to fit it) |
| 11:25.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are enough users who want *maemo* |
| 11:26.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | and there are enough cheap but better devices capable of running android |
| 11:26.49 | eddyb | I probably want too much from a manufacturer... opensource hardware (or at least public specs) and opensource software |
| 11:27.37 | eddyb | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php :( |
| 11:27.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | eh? |
| 11:28.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's wrong with skeiron? |
| 11:28.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~skeiron |
| 11:28.42 | infobot | well, skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 |
| 11:28.43 | eddyb | oh, I had to remove .php: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/ |
| 11:29.06 | eddyb | .deb :( |
| 11:29.46 | eddyb | so I have to use a tar.gz and manually install a ton of 32bit deps |
| 11:30.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? everybody who's interested in development for maemo has to go thru it |
| 11:30.42 | eddyb | nvm, it seems to work out of the box |
| 11:30.49 | ShadowJK | (or use the vm) |
| 11:31.01 | eddyb | I'm not touching ubuntu |
| 11:31.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | for completely unclear reasons *nobody* so far provided a vmware image that's up to date and has full sb install |
| 11:31.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | or at least I haven't heard about it |
| 11:31.59 | eddyb | USA/UK/Global... hmmm |
| 11:32.15 | eddyb | IIRC this N900 was originally bought in Germany |
| 11:32.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware that SDK != flasher, are you? |
| 11:32.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | use global |
| 11:32.58 | eddyb | I got it for free from my friend who replaced it with an iphone or something |
| 11:33.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | please carefully and *completely* read: |
| 11:33.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flash |
| 11:33.28 | infobot | i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 11:33.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you're done, read it again! |
| 11:33.47 | Apic | I want to make a Debian Chroot Image. Why does »dd if=/dev/zero of=deb.ext3 bs=1M count=1 seek=2001« make the System hang? |
| 11:33.55 | Apic | Does it need to build intensive FAT blocklists? |
| 11:34.39 | Apic | Or maybe I should use skip=? |
| 11:35.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Apic: maybe because there's not enough room for a 2.001GB image? (though a sparse file which shouldn't eat much space). |
| 11:36.06 | Apic | I flashed new Vanilla, there's almost 32G free |
| 11:36.18 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: I read it, but I'm curios about things like "what happens if USB suddenly disconnects? what's broken and what's still there? is it enough working stuff left for another retry?" |
| 11:36.29 | eddyb | it would be easier if I could understand the architechture |
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| 11:36.41 | eddyb | and what you can break and what's safe |
| 11:36.56 | eddyb | what's responsible for the NOKIA screen at boot |
| 11:37.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | eddyb: you can't brick N900 (basically, unless you're an expert or gifted fool) |
| 11:37.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's NOLO |
| 11:37.21 | eddyb | ok, that's better. resident firmware? |
| 11:37.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically yes |
| 11:37.40 | eddyb | that you can't touch without electrocuting the device or breaking a chip |
| 11:37.47 | Apic | Doc: Never mind, now it finished |
| 11:38.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, the boot is ROMBL->(XLoader->)NOLO->(uboot->)Linuxkernel |
| 11:38.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ROMBL is in CPU and can't get altered |
| 11:38.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | coldflash would be used to flash a new NOLO |
| 11:39.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOLO in turn does usual flashing of rootfs etc |
| 11:39.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I actually hardly ever heard of anybody who nuked his NOLO so you don't need to worry aout coldflashing |
| 11:40.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | if your NOKIA screen shows up, your NOLO is fine |
| 11:41.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Apic: I suspect dd reading 2GB of zeros from /dev/zero, just to dicard them |
| 11:41.31 | eddyb | uboot is optional and has a minimal user interface |
| 11:41.38 | eddyb | and XLoader? |
| 11:41.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | xloader is a stage in booting that's merged into NOLO basically |
| 11:42.30 | Apic | DocScrutinizer05: Can you suggest a way that doesn't read? Add »skip=«? |
| 11:42.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project |
| 11:43.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Apic: sorry, no |
| 11:43.12 | Apic | DocScrutinizer05: Tnx anyway B-) |
| 11:43.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno off top of my head about skip |
| 11:44.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | eddyb: in above page, you s/uboot/NOLO/, for N900 |
| 11:45.55 | eddyb | thanks |
| 11:46.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | eddyb: N900 uBoot is not the uBoot mentioned on http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project |
| 11:46.25 | eddyb | it's flashing fast |
| 11:46.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 uBoot is packed together with linuxkernel into one "file" |
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| 11:46.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | fast is <60s |
| 11:46.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | <2s is a fail |
| 11:47.08 | eddyb | erasing CMT is slowest so far |
| 11:47.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that's all fine |
| 11:47.42 | eddyb | hmm, so, any clues what secondary and 2nd mean? |
| 11:47.50 | eddyb | they're weird names :/ |
| 11:47.53 | Hurrian | secondary = nolo |
| 11:47.56 | eddyb | oh |
| 11:48.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | you shouldn't boot up device with SIM, rather install notmynokia first, or you send that nasty SMS |
| 11:48.11 | eddyb | what SMS? |
| 11:48.19 | Hurrian | MyNokia |
| 11:48.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | SIM |
| 11:48.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | err premium SMS to Nokia |
| 11:48.38 | eddyb | oh |
| 11:49.03 | Hurrian | eddyb: tl;dr - after flashing, ensure SIM is not inserted, get root permissions and "apt-get remove cherry*" |
| 11:49.04 | eddyb | I don't have the SIM in because I moved it to a 1000-ish phone until I fix the N900 |
| 11:49.19 | eddyb | CMT flashed successfully |
| 11:49.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, unless you flashed eMMC/VANILLA it shouldn't be a problem |
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| 11:49.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a tagfile that stops that rogue SMS thing |
| 11:49.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 11:49.51 | infobot | [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 11:50.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | that tagfile is in your homedir, and will survive flashing of rootfs |
| 11:50.20 | eddyb | YES |
| 11:50.21 | eddyb | no |
| 11:50.32 | eddyb | YES |
| 11:50.46 | eddyb | for some reason it stopped in the middle of booting |
| 11:50.50 | eddyb | thanks guys :D |
| 11:50.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 11:50.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | it didn't stop |
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| 11:51.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | it just takes longer than usual on first boot |
| 11:51.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | read |
| 11:51.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flash |
| 11:51.15 | infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 11:51.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | read it again |
| 11:51.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | read it completely |
| 11:51.39 | eddyb | boot animation started, screen went black, led went orange, then boot animation started again |
| 11:51.50 | Hurrian | that's optification. |
| 11:52.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | will take minutes |
| 11:52.42 | eddyb | Welcome |
| 11:52.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's pretty lengthy elaborated in ~flash |
| 11:53.11 | eddyb | haptic feedback is enabled by default, it's a bit cool |
| 11:53.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | read it again, read it *completely* from first to last line |
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| 11:57.30 | eddyb | well, my device is working again :P |
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| 13:18.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] repository is down, due to broken xen-vif |
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| 14:05.54 | eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: if anything, mcusw is a good RE toy to chew - I now have a visual analyzer for ARM binaries: green is code, red is strings: http://i.imgur.com/saVRsaM.jpg generated by http://jsfiddle.net/srJC4/9/ |
| 14:08.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] we shuld be (almost) back to normal on maemo.org |
| 14:08.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for the inconvenience |
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| 19:07.23 | sixwheeledbeast | You tell 'em DocScrutinizer05! Bloody *patches |
| 19:07.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
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| 19:09.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | "well, there's an issue, we should discuss it. So here we go .... <time passing by while discussion> OK, we heard all arguments and now we decide: its TAU." <one week later> "but hey, we should discuss that TAU thing!!" |
| 19:10.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | fools |
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| 19:12.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly some special e*_fools that start calling names and blame others as biased and unfair as soon as the decision made isn't the one they want to see |
| 19:13.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even when it is, they still start bitching at those who made it - probably just because nobody asked e*_fools about their acknowledgment for said decision |
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| 19:14.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | or just for fun, or to satisfy their perverted sense of humor and desire for arguing |
| 19:14.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno |
| 19:15.33 | sixwheeledbeast | patchism? |
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| 19:41.59 | Ben` | WHOIS ManoftheSea |
| 19:42.43 | Ben` | WHOIS <ManoftheSEA> |
| 19:43.00 | Ben` | WHOIS <aidy> |
| 19:43.42 | sixwheeledbeast | Ben`: slash first? |
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| 19:52.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | /whois Ben` |
| 19:52.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | ;-P |
| 19:52.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 19:52.52 | infobot | DocScrutinizer51: aw, gee |
| 19:53.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | even better: /msg nickserv info Ben` |
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| 19:57.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | WTF is wrong with my xchat (timers)?? not only that it doesn't reregister anymore unless it misses keepalive pings for 200min, it alo doesn't allow me anymore to highlight lines in chatwin, rather context menu pops up no matter how far I 'drag' |
| 19:58.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonders if the latter might be related to a former messing around with gtk config values |
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| 20:03.02 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall there were power management hacks done to the timers |
| 20:03.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | OMFG |
| 20:04.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | who's to blame^W shoot? |
| 20:05.04 | ShadowJK | Well it hasn't been changed in 3-4 years.. |
| 20:05.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | it however changed for me during last 3..4 months |
| 20:06.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | I still wonder how ZNC1.0 update could be related |
| 20:07.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | since it clearly seems to be a N900 local issue |
| 20:08.31 | kerio | works fine for me |
| 20:08.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | FFS |
| 20:08.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | what specifically? |
| 20:09.15 | ShadowJK | The normal lag-timer side-effect keepalive was disabled in 2009 or so (along eith the entire UI for that, afaik) |
| 20:09.36 | ShadowJK | when xchat power hogging was brought under control |
| 20:09.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | umm |
| 20:10.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | I had my special setup with keepalive = 90(s) or so, since times before I adopted ZNC |
| 20:10.59 | ShadowJK | /timer timers still work, and I use that myself to ping my bouncer once every 10 minutes, to detect connection break |
| 20:11.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, I don't use Vtimer for that |
| 20:12.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | there's a config in xchat.cfg |
| 20:12.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | ping-timeout, or keepalive or sth |
| 20:13.54 | ShadowJK | If that timer isn't working, then it's been disabled since 2009 for sure :P |
| 20:13.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | my problem however is: in 5min I'll leave this WLAN range and N900 will switch to GPRS and everything working just fine... except xchat which stays disconnected for at least 2h |
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| 20:14.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | or until reconnect |
| 20:14.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | and that clearly changed THIS year |
| 20:14.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | worked like a charm last year's xmas |
| 20:15.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'll post a ping every 30s now... |
| 20:15.58 | ShadowJK | It's always acted as "appears to be connected, but first attempt to type a chat line disconnects" for me |
| 20:15.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | ping |
| 20:16.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | while leaving AP range |
| 20:16.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | ping |
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| 20:17.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 20:17.04 | infobot | ~pong |
| 20:17.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 20:17.27 | infobot | ~pong |
| 20:18.40 | ShadowJK | /allserv ping |
| 20:18.59 | ShadowJK | /timer -repeat 0 600 allserv ping |
| 20:19.03 | ShadowJK | is what I use |
| 20:19.43 | ShadowJK | Using openvpn between N900 and my server for seamless transition between wlans and 3g too |
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| 20:33.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | had a friggin net_outoreconnect_on_fail = o in xchat.cfg, dunno if it's related and how it might have changed |
| 20:33.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 20:33.49 | infobot | ~pong |
| 20:34.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | ping_timeout anyway been 240 |
| 20:35.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok, roaming now from GPRS/2G to home AP |
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| 20:41.42 | sixwheeledbeast | it's like a table-tennis championship in here |
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| 20:48.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: you got no idea about all the pings that were in the green |
| 20:48.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I actually continued ~ping until [2013-04-02 22:33:40] <DocScrutinizer51> had a friggin ... |
| 20:49.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | now sitting at home, with a freshly started xchat with net_outoreconnect_on_fail = 1, and I roamed to my home AP. Result: dead |
| 20:50.31 | sixwheeledbeast | [infobot] 15 love |
| 20:50.37 | sixwheeledbeast | :P |
| 20:50.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll give it another few minutes, but obviously it doesn't want to reconnect, as usual |
| 20:52.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | funny detail: I can log in via WLAN just fine |
| 20:52.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I'll use that to somehow get a tcpdump |
| 20:52.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas this tends to dump own activities |
| 20:53.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | like a nuclear chain reaction |
| 20:53.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | each byte transferred causes 10 bytes of log printout that also are transferred bytes |
| 20:55.45 | ShadowJK | "tcpdump not port 22" |
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| 21:04.54 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: unfiltered tcpdump over the network? that's neat |
| 21:05.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: verbatim? |
| 21:05.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: which network? |
| 21:06.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | my local WPA2 WLAN? ***evil*** ;-P |
| 21:06.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | bash: tcpdump: command not found |
| 21:06.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | burps |
| 21:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no tcpdump, but there's tshark ;-) |
| 21:07.51 | kerio | does tshark have a way to ignore tshark data? |
| 21:08.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure |
| 21:08.22 | kerio | oh you could do a local dump, ofc |
| 21:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas I'm no libpcap filter syntax wizard |
| 21:09.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | xcat still zombie mode |
| 21:09.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | xchat even |
| 21:16.25 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; yeah "not port 22" ignores ssh |
| 21:16.38 | ShadowJK | "not port 22 and not port 53" |
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| 21:23.28 | kerio | what's 53? |
| 21:23.55 | Apic | dns |
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| 21:27.52 | kerio | i see |
| 21:27.57 | kerio | right |
| 21:28.01 | kerio | why would you want to skip that? |
| 21:29.12 | Apic | Because it's Background-Noise |
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| 21:40.26 | tx0h | hello |
| 21:40.45 | Apic | Hi |
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| 21:41.27 | tx0h | when i run this calibrate-bg27k script, it tells me: please charge battery! Use fastcharger! |
| 21:41.41 | tx0h | how can i use fastcharger and what is it? |
| 21:42.44 | ShadowJK | not a computer |
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| 22:03.04 | kerio | the fastcharger is the charger you got with the n900 |
| 22:03.11 | kerio | the one that plugs into the wall |
| 22:03.36 | tx0h | aha?! |
| 22:03.56 | tx0h | ty |
| 22:04.08 | tx0h | don |
| 22:04.28 | tx0h | don't have it with me, just a usb cable :-( |
| 22:07.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: will that meet " packet filter in libpcap filter syntax" specs of tshark? |
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| 22:09.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | tx0h: using a USB cable and PC *might* work, but also might fail to restart charging after calibration finished. So you might find yourself with a depleted battery in your N900 the next morning, when you start that script when going to sleep |
| 22:12.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | *any* php cracks around? please see http://privatepaste.com/fb4e62912c and help your techstaff team to sanitize this nightmare |
| 22:14.16 | kerio | lol php |
| 22:14.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* yes |
| 22:15.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | starts to hate midgard |
| 22:15.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should see how it gets invoked!! |
| 22:16.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | a crontable entry invokes /usr/local/bin/garage_sync.sh |
| 22:17.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that shellscript does (among other stuff): lynx -dump -auth=admin:1Easdfghj http://local.maemo.org/midcom-exec-org.maemo.garagesync/import.php?confirm=1 | sed '/^$/d' |
| 22:18.01 | kerio | did you seriously paste the password here |
| 22:18.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | now if that's not blowing your mind, I dunno what else might |
| 22:18.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | do I seriously look like a koala? |
| 22:18.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 22:19.01 | kerio | wait, what's that sed invocation? |
| 22:19.05 | kerio | don't print blank lines? |
| 22:19.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might notice the sequence "asdfghj" is a nice one for typing |
| 22:19.42 | kerio | good for a password, so you don't forget it! |
| 22:20.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly nobody remembers that password ;-P |
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| 22:27.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | this crappy php script is the culprit for the insane "matterhorn" memusage sawtooth patterns that strike the 6GB RAM limit on WWW VM every now and then (while usually the job "only" neds 5GB to complete) |
| 22:28.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | we thought we fixed it by enabling the systemwide maxmem by commenting out #ini_set('memory_limit', -1); |
| 22:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that only results in [Tue Apr 02 21:12:34 2013] [error] [client 213.128.137.20] PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 367001600 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 76 bytes) in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/core/collector.php on line 336 |
| 22:30.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't it a shame? |
| 22:30.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd have coded that shite on a ZX81 without ram extension, in basic |
| 22:30.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it wouldn't have any such issues |
| 22:31.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | and probably even was faster |
| 22:32.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it wasn't for those MIDGARD helper functions, for which there seems not any bindings to a proper language available |
| 22:38.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, so much for the "daily WTF" and a tiny bit of horror. Your humble maemo admin manager feels like urgently needing a beer and a vodka |
| 22:39.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you have *any* suggestions how to sanitize the stuff sketched above, just holler please! |
| 22:41.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | we can't throw 16GB of ram at that stupid job, to cope with memleaks. And we eventually need it running again, to make the whole maemo.org work for devels |
| 22:41.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | waves and heads out, silently sobbing |
| 22:44.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw: xchat still zombified |
| 22:45.04 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: put the vodka *in* the beer! |
| 22:45.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | good plan ;-D |
| 22:45.24 | kerio | actually, even better |
| 22:45.29 | kerio | grab the beer glass |
| 22:45.31 | kerio | fill it with vodka |
| 22:45.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | put some beer in the vodka? |
| 22:45.45 | kerio | at that point, you might as well skip the beer |
| 22:45.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 22:46.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lart php |
| 22:46.03 | infobot | teaches php that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 22:46.11 | kerio | NO INFOBOT |
| 22:46.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~kill midgard |
| 22:46.12 | infobot | ACTION shoots a excited anti-electron gun at midgard |
| 22:46.16 | kerio | DON'T TEACH PHP ABOUT ACCESS |
| 22:46.18 | kerio | STOP |
| 22:46.30 | kerio | what have we done |
| 22:47.35 | RST38h | KILL KILL DESTROY |
| 22:47.37 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: what, memleak in php? |
| 22:47.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you forgot the plural-S |
| 22:48.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: yeah, incredible, isn't it? |
| 22:48.58 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: but, but... AFAIK php should not leak. I mean... couldn't we up/downgrade php module? |
| 22:49.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | WUT??? my xchat resurrected rom zombie state |
| 22:50.19 | kerio | the messiah came back from the dead! |
| 22:50.19 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: honestly, I have always succeed to stay away from php, but my little knowledge on the matter tells me that a different version of php module should fix it |
| 22:50.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | so pretty exactly 2h again, until it notices a changed IP |
| 22:50.25 | kerio | little late for easter, though |
| 22:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: now if you tell me *which* php module is the culprit, we actually might ponder that |
| 22:51.39 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: isn't that LAMP? |
| 22:52.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | LAMP with a ton of midgard on top |
| 22:52.22 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: http://phpmanualmasterpieces.tumblr.com/ |
| 22:52.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | and *somebody* in the stack probably forgets to unset() a few vars for each call |
| 22:53.04 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: did you really just post main midgard password here? |
| 22:53.12 | kerio | hahahaha |
| 22:53.54 | jacekowski | ahm, no |
| 22:53.58 | jacekowski | real pw is different |
| 22:54.44 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: do youknow which version midgard is? |
| 22:55.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 22:56.05 | jacekowski | i don't think it's php leaking as such, it's midgard plugin that's not allowing proper clean up |
| 22:56.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 22:57.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd bet on it instantiating a new db view object each time you do any query |
| 22:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and since php doesn't instantiate a new interpreter when calling out of own context, all those linger on forever |
| 22:59.40 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: anyone asked on #midgard? |
| 22:59.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | until apache is closing the original (and only) php interpreter instance when script quits |
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| 23:00.09 | jacekowski | Midgard version => 8.09.9.99 |
| 23:00.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I didn't |
| 23:00.27 | freemangordon | jacekowski: thanks |
| 23:00.47 | jacekowski | talking midgard |
| 23:00.58 | jacekowski | i was trying to find some documentation for this piece of shit |
| 23:01.03 | jacekowski | and it's like non existient |
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| 23:21.00 | freemangordon | jacekowski: looking at your memory report, it seems you're dumping the memory usage before unset($person); |
| 23:23.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: any idea what might take xchat 2h to sense a IP change (roaming) and reconnect to ZNC? |
| 23:24.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 23:24.05 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 23:36.36 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: what about splitting that php into 3? |
| 23:37.31 | freemangordon | and invoking them in a row from a shell script (which gets invoked from cron)? |
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