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| 05:53.06 | tx0h | morning |
| 05:53.08 | tx0h | is there a way to see and set the wireless power on the shell? can't see the power info (mV) with iwconfig |
| 05:54.27 | tx0h | what else might be a reason for fast battery drain? |
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| 08:51.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | tx0h: tx power of wlan is NOT a reason for battery drain |
| 08:53.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | tx0h: poor AP with no support for powersavings mode, or no AP at all but you forcing wlan chip into constant scanning, _that_ can both cut through your battery in no time |
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| 09:00.21 | tx0h | what else can be done to save energy? my battery empties in about 12hrs!! |
| 09:00.58 | tx0h | how can i disable constant wifi scanning? |
| 09:01.08 | kerio | there's no constant wifi scanning, surely |
| 09:01.18 | kerio | tx0h: check the actual power consumption |
| 09:01.54 | tx0h | would 'initctl stop wlancond' help? |
| 09:02.16 | kerio | first check the power consumption please |
| 09:02.25 | tx0h | hmm.. what else can cause this dramatic drain |
| 09:02.37 | tx0h | how? with powertop? |
| 09:02.49 | kerio | nah, bq27k data |
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| 09:02.56 | tx0h | ?? |
| 09:03.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you need to stop bme before reading from bq27200? |
| 09:03.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually not |
| 09:04.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | it can garble your readings but that won't kill anything, incl bme |
| 09:04.31 | kerio | tx0h: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq27200.sh |
| 09:04.42 | kerio | run `sudo bq27200.sh 10` |
| 09:04.47 | kerio | you need to install i2c-tools first |
| 09:05.04 | kerio | it'll give you a reading of voltage and current every 10 seconds |
| 09:05.21 | kerio | run it in xterm and lock the screen for a while |
| 09:06.22 | tx0h | i can't find bq27200.sh, had i2c-tools installed before |
| 09:07.14 | kerio | i gave you the link to download it :) |
| 09:07.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27200 |
| 09:07.48 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
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| 09:08.22 | kerio | ~literal bq27200 |
| 09:08.22 | infobot | "bq27200" is "<reply>see bq27k-detail" |
| 09:08.25 | kerio | hm |
| 09:08.41 | kerio | surely bq27200.sh is what people usually want to use |
| 09:08.45 | kerio | it's got a looping mode and everything |
| 09:09.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27* |
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| 09:09.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27200.sh |
| 09:09.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail-perl |
| 09:10.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 09:10.16 | kerio | uuuuugh that's awful |
| 09:10.19 | kerio | perl D: |
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| 09:12.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | sowat? you think your python version is nicer? ;-P |
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| 09:12.42 | kerio | yep |
| 09:14.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | # perl-rewrite (c) 2013-01-01 jon_y |
| 09:14.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | # http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2013-01-02.log.html#t2013-01-02T00:16:18 |
| 09:15.03 | tx0h | Error: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy |
| 09:15.26 | tx0h | do i need to stop this battery eye thing? |
| 09:15.34 | kerio | maybe |
| 09:16.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need to modprobe -r bq27x00.ko I guess |
| 09:17.07 | kerio | tx0h isn't using that module |
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| 09:17.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | then for sure nothing should exclusively occupy the chip addr |
| 09:17.49 | kerio | really? :o |
| 09:17.59 | tx0h | not found (the mod) |
| 09:18.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | if sth does, it deserves to get nuked from extras and extras-devel |
| 09:18.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/devel/testing/ |
| 09:18.13 | kerio | tx0h: modprobe -r bq27x00_battery |
| 09:18.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | bme will not be happy when it gets restarted and can't open bq27200 on i2c bus |
| 09:18.53 | tx0h | this works |
| 09:19.06 | kerio | why did you have that module loaded? |
| 09:19.09 | tx0h | now i need to switch off the power cable, right? |
| 09:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | good point :-) |
| 09:19.45 | kerio | actually, i think that modprobe -r doesn't complain if the module isn't loaded |
| 09:19.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you can do that after you started bq27200.sh |
| 09:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | will be interesting for you to watch |
| 09:20.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: it does |
| 09:20.31 | tx0h | 11:20 4137 100 100 54 903 903 903 0 65535 20 0 |
| 09:20.32 | tx0h | 11:20 4100 100 100 -99 903 903 903 65535 542 20 0 |
| 09:20.54 | tx0h | this is before and after powercord disconnection |
| 09:21.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
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| 09:22.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | if your battery isn't massively worn out, your bq27200 chip is decalibrated |
| 09:23.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | but quite possibly your battery actually is worn and weak |
| 09:23.10 | freemangordon | ~seen Pali |
| 09:23.11 | infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 9h 43m 13s ago, saying: 'only emmc'. |
| 09:23.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | start bq27200 without time parameter |
| 09:23.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and pastebin the output |
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| 09:24.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | `sudo bq27200.sh` |
| 09:24.52 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: 900 LMD means 900 LMD |
| 09:24.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should do this in a second xterm window, or stop the looping bq27200.sh with ^C first |
| 09:24.59 | kerio | no real way around it |
| 09:25.11 | kerio | there's no way to fake LMD, remember? |
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| 09:25.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a shitload |
| 09:25.24 | kerio | and it can only go down from ILMD |
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| 09:25.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | of ways LMD can be wrong |
| 09:26.03 | kerio | *that* wrong? |
| 09:26.04 | kerio | hardly |
| 09:26.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 09:26.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I already said probably his cell is actually worn |
| 09:26.48 | tx0h | well, the battery is about a month old |
| 09:26.58 | kerio | which battery is this? |
| 09:27.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm interested in cyclecount, and cycles-since-last-learn |
| 09:27.40 | tx0h | it's a GH BL-5J 1320 mHa 3.7V |
| 09:27.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | close |
| 09:28.07 | kerio | gh? |
| 09:28.09 | tx0h | mAh |
| 09:28.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | even middle one uppercase been correct :-D |
| 09:28.24 | tx0h | it's a third party |
| 09:28.48 | kerio | bets scam batteryt |
| 09:28.52 | kerio | *battery |
| 09:28.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly |
| 09:29.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is there seriously no way to get binary data from i2cdump? :s |
| 09:29.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 09:29.59 | kerio | i got this weird printable thing |
| 09:30.05 | kerio | i wanted /bytes/ |
| 09:30.13 | tx0h | how can i see the cycles-since-last-learn? |
| 09:30.24 | kerio | tx0h: bq27200.sh without a numeric parameter |
| 09:30.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | `sudo bq27200.sh` |
| 09:30.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I told you above |
| 09:31.15 | tx0h | it says: 0 |
| 09:31.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | no way |
| 09:31.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't c&p the `, did you? |
| 09:32.22 | tx0h | no |
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| 09:33.06 | tx0h | TTE 281 minutes |
| 09:33.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | this command has a plethora of rich info as output, for sure it doesn't say "0" |
| 09:33.43 | tx0h | noo.. |
| 09:33.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-01 11:23:17] <DocScrutinizer05> start bq27200 without time parameter |
| 09:33.52 | tx0h | thats the calue it gives me |
| 09:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-01 11:23:31] <DocScrutinizer05> and pastebin the output |
| 09:33.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pastebin |
| 09:33.57 | infobot | A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few: http://www.pastebin.com, http://pastebin.ca, http://channels.debian.net/paste, http://paste.lisp.org, http://bin.cakephp.org/; or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 09:34.53 | tx0h | http://pastebin.ca/2346830 |
| 09:36.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | you completed a learning cycle with last discharging of your battery, and it evaluated battery total capacity as 903mAh |
| 09:37.34 | tx0h | ok |
| 09:37.51 | kerio | which means that yor battery is worse than awful |
| 09:37.53 | kerio | *your |
| 09:38.04 | kerio | there's a reason cheap chinese batteries are cheap |
| 09:38.31 | tx0h | whats the reason? |
| 09:38.43 | kerio | they're bad |
| 09:38.51 | grummund | bought a chinese clone battery for his dell laptop |
| 09:38.52 | tx0h | oh, that simple :-) |
| 09:39.02 | kerio | actually, no |
| 09:39.08 | grummund | it lasted about 6 weeks and then suddenly died |
| 09:39.10 | kerio | they're a crapshoot |
| 09:39.14 | kerio | sometimes you get a good one |
| 09:39.19 | kerio | but they're mostly bad |
| 09:39.25 | tx0h | most batteries are manufactured in the same hall |
| 09:39.45 | tx0h | just different lables |
| 09:39.57 | kerio | yeah, and the ones that can guarantee a certain capacity and a certain life are sold as 1st party batteries |
| 09:40.22 | kerio | the ones that weren't quite up to spec are "recycled" as third-party batteries |
| 09:40.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 09:40.53 | tx0h | whats a good source for low money? |
| 09:41.03 | kerio | it's hard to find good /and/ cheap batteries and storage cards |
| 09:41.20 | kerio | tx0h: the akku polarcell has been pretty reliable |
| 09:41.24 | grummund | it had a good capacity but suddenly died completely |
| 09:41.27 | kerio | 1500mAh |
| 09:41.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | then there's also ghostshifts, where the employees build inferior product from material that got phased out from manufacturing process due to not meeting the specs |
| 09:42.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | often those ghostshift products even are labeled as "genuine" |
| 09:42.27 | kerio | tx0h: where are you? |
| 09:42.29 | tx0h | polarcell, i watch out for them |
| 09:42.33 | tx0h | berlin |
| 09:42.36 | kerio | mh |
| 09:42.43 | kerio | i think ebay had a german seller for those |
| 09:42.51 | kerio | there's also an amazon uk seller |
| 09:43.19 | kerio | 12.90€ |
| 09:43.45 | tx0h | hmm.. well.. this ones where waaay cheaper. to cheap. |
| 09:43.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got all my spare batteries from "turkish" (or pakistani, or indian) second-hand cellphone stores, for cheap money |
| 09:43.53 | kerio | and it says Artikelstandort: Berlin |
| 09:44.03 | kerio | which i assume means "article is in:" |
| 09:44.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can find those on each corner, especially in Berlin |
| 09:44.30 | tx0h | i know. in neukoelln or wedding |
| 09:44.46 | kerio | if we trust dr_frost_dk's battery thread, they're currently the best batteries |
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| 09:45.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | who wouldn't trust dr_frost_dk? |
| 09:46.22 | kerio | i don't trust doctors |
| 09:46.26 | kerio | :P |
| 09:48.42 | tx0h | i also have one polarcell |
| 09:48.46 | tx0h | just checked it |
| 09:48.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Average Current: 113 mA looks reasonable for screen backlight on |
| 09:49.37 | tx0h | but it says 1400mAh |
| 09:49.45 | tx0h | not 1500 |
| 09:51.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's rather irrelevant what it *says*, it's interesting what it *provides* ;-) |
| 09:51.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | as in: LMD |
| 09:52.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | just idly wonders why bq27x00_battery.ko been loaded |
| 09:52.39 | tx0h | whats better for the battery? charging via usb port or in the external charger? |
| 09:52.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't mazzer |
| 09:52.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | matter* |
| 09:53.18 | kerio | tx0h: no seriously, why was bq27x00_battery loaded |
| 09:53.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | err wut? external charger? those are usually pretty crappy cheap ... crap |
| 09:53.36 | tx0h | i'm clueless |
| 09:53.38 | tx0h | tell me |
| 09:53.53 | tx0h | well, it's a nokia charger |
| 09:53.54 | kerio | 1) are you running kernel-power 52 prerelease? |
| 09:54.05 | kerio | 2) have you installed the bme replacement? |
| 09:54.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | are you running KP48 or older even? |
| 09:55.01 | tx0h | wait, i just boot with the polarcell in it |
| 09:56.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | tx0h: you're aware that this doesn't change your LMD reading from bq27200.sh? until you ran two or 3 valid learning cycles on the swapped battery |
| 09:57.04 | tx0h | ? i swap my battery every now and then |
| 09:57.08 | tx0h | not good? |
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| 09:57.39 | kerio | well it gives you weird readings in bq27k |
| 09:57.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it just renders the probed total capacity (LMD) in bq27200 moot |
| 09:58.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | TimeToEmpty etc is calculated from LMD and AverageCurrent, so this is also moot |
| 09:59.07 | tx0h | hmmm.. then maybe the 903mAh are not the real value? |
| 09:59.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | they been, for *some* cell you used |
| 10:00.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually for the cell you used when you last time completely discharged your battery |
| 10:00.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | (since "cycles since last learning cycle: 0") |
| 10:00.25 | kerio | and even then, not really, unless you've been using the bme replacement |
| 10:00.34 | kerio | or you specifically did a calibration cycle |
| 10:00.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 10:00.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | learning cycle is learning cycle |
| 10:01.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever you did to accomplish it |
| 10:01.09 | kerio | you can't do a learning cycle with bme_RX-51, it'll force a shutdown before |
| 10:01.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: read http://pastebin.ca/2346830 |
| 10:02.18 | kerio | \_o_/ |
| 10:02.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | CI=0, Cycle Count since Learning: 0 |
| 10:03.29 | tx0h | Linux Nokia-N900-42-11 2.6.28.10-power51 #1 PREEMPT Mon Jul 23 16:41:15 EEST 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 10:04.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | means very last discharge completed a learning cycle, and that resulted in "Last Measured Discharge: 903 mAh" |
| 10:04.22 | kerio | tx0h: but have you loaded the module manually? |
| 10:04.28 | kerio | because afaik, nothing should load it automatically |
| 10:04.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 10:04.46 | kerio | in fact, it MUST NOT be loaded automatically |
| 10:04.54 | kerio | (by default) |
| 10:04.55 | tx0h | nope, but maybe the battery-eye thing? |
| 10:05.00 | kerio | hm, it's possible |
| 10:05.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | battery-eye is crap iirc |
| 10:05.30 | tx0h | how can i force learning? |
| 10:06.02 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: does bme-rx51 do force reads from bq27k? |
| 10:06.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh |
| 10:06.16 | tx0h | and resetting previous data from otrher batteries |
| 10:08.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | tx0h: since LMD can change only 1/8 from last value per learning cycle, you may need 2 or 3 to actually reach true LMD for a cell (900mAh->1012,5mAh->1139mAh->...) |
| 10:08.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: there's no limit on up-learning though |
| 10:09.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's my guess, I heard some e*_ argued there was |
| 10:09.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | as a rule of thumb, when LMD doesn't change significantly between two learning cycles (aka claibration), you can be sure it's valid |
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| 10:11.01 | tx0h | but in general it's better to work with one battery and don't change to often because the charging is influenced by the data of other batteries. is this what i've learned? |
| 10:11.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, charging isn't influenced |
| 10:11.33 | tx0h | what does the calibrate script do? |
| 10:11.44 | tx0h | ok, i just thought that would |
| 10:11.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can swap batteries as you like, just the values in bq27200 chip won't apply to new battery then |
| 10:12.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and since e.g. battery-eye seems to rely on those values, you might get fooled then |
| 10:13.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't have any impact on N900's performance (available standby time etc), but your meters might show bogus values |
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| 10:13.41 | tx0h | what does the calibrate script do? |
| 10:14.07 | tx0h | i will remove the battery-eye thing |
| 10:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | it charges your device til battery full, then stops charging and waits until battery empty and learning cycle complete, then re-enables charging |
| 10:14.26 | kerio | tx0h: the source is fairly self-explanatory, but all it does is wait for the charge to complete, then shuts off the charging (while the cable is still connected) until the battery is depleted enough for the battery chip to calibrate |
| 10:14.28 | kerio | then starts the charging again |
| 10:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | nota bene my calibrate script doesn't work with bme-replacement |
| 10:15.14 | kerio | yeah, the script for the bme replacement is much simpler |
| 10:15.16 | kerio | :P |
| 10:15.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh! |
| 10:15.56 | tx0h | how can i find out what i'm up with? bme-replacement or not? |
| 10:16.04 | kerio | have you installed the bme replacements? |
| 10:16.10 | kerio | *replacement |
| 10:16.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | tx0h: you should read thru the script, it's really self explanatory, and not everything is easy to read on screen when it executes |
| 10:16.45 | tx0h | dpkg tells me i have bme-rx-51 |
| 10:16.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | lsmod|grep ???? |
| 10:17.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask somebody for what to grep, who actually got bme replacement |
| 10:17.09 | kerio | tx0h: what's the version? |
| 10:17.15 | kerio | apt-cache policy bme-rx-51 |
| 10:17.22 | tx0h | 0.8.55+0m5 |
| 10:17.28 | kerio | you don't have the bme replacement |
| 10:17.37 | tx0h | no mod with bme in its name is loaded |
| 10:17.41 | kerio | but then, why the hell was that module loaded |
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| 10:17.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | bat-crye |
| 10:18.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | some of bat-spye-crap does force-load bq27k_battery iirc |
| 10:20.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I for one would rename the bq27200_battery.ko to *-hide-me |
| 10:20.13 | tx0h | i purged battery-eye :-) |
| 10:20.26 | kerio | tx0h: reboot now |
| 10:20.29 | kerio | just to be sure |
| 10:20.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | it still might have nuked the blacklist entry |
| 10:20.57 | kerio | there's no blacklist entry |
| 10:21.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | who knows what battery-eye does (on post-deinstall) |
| 10:21.03 | kerio | it's just... not loaded by anything |
| 10:21.11 | tx0h | well, i need to start a travel in 1/2 hour |
| 10:21.15 | kerio | hm, actually there is |
| 10:21.17 | kerio | what do you know |
| 10:21.20 | kerio | \_o_/ |
| 10:21.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | tzz :-P |
| 10:21.58 | kerio | anyway, the bme replacement packaging is kinda backwards on this, i guess |
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| 10:22.07 | kerio | the modules are blacklisted and then loaded manually later on |
| 10:22.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know me how long now? don't you think it's wise to doublecheck if I might be right before you say i'm wrong? ;-) |
| 10:22.38 | kerio | instead of, you know, loading basic functionality like /CHARGING THE BATTERY ON A MOBILE DEVICE/ at the earliest |
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| 10:22.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but you're also forgetting |
| 10:22.51 | kerio | ~kerio |
| 10:22.52 | infobot | methinks kerio is <DocScrutinizer05> kerio is right |
| 10:23.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | look, when I'm usually wrong, then... |
| 10:23.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 10:23.40 | tx0h | no bq module loaded after reboot |
| 10:23.46 | kerio | good |
| 10:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 10:24.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | now you're safe to run http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh |
| 10:24.26 | kerio | not really, it's noon |
| 10:24.28 | tx0h | no, i need to rush to the station |
| 10:24.29 | tx0h | :-( |
| 10:24.34 | kerio | see? |
| 10:24.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might want to run bq27200.sh 30 in another xterm |
| 10:24.41 | kerio | run that script overnight |
| 10:24.42 | tx0h | i'm offline for at least 24 hours now |
| 10:24.53 | tx0h | yes, i will do |
| 10:24.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | in parallel to http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh |
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| 10:25.12 | kerio | the backlight on with a black screen won't actually give out much light |
| 10:25.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
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| 10:25.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 10:25.50 | kerio | or mostly black, i mean |
| 10:26.04 | tx0h | ok. i need to shutdown my desktop now and get me into my clothes |
| 10:26.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | or place device in a drawer ;-P |
| 10:26.16 | tx0h | thank you for some insights |
| 10:26.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | or put on cloth goggles |
| 10:26.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 10:27.00 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i have a fuckton of blinkenlights in my room anyway |
| 10:27.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have a TV in my room ;-P |
| 10:27.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I forgot if it has or hasn't a powerswitch |
| 10:29.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | recently I started pondering to install some PIR-motion-detectors pointing away from my bed, and have the TV shut down if they don't detect movement for >60min |
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| 10:35.01 | Timmy | I need to install obfsproxy on maemo but there is no binary package for that. I have tried to compile that on my phone but it was unsuccessful. can someone here help me create a binary package for that? |
| 10:36.05 | Timmy | http://paste.kde.org/713258/ |
| 10:40.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need a scratchbox fremantle build environment on you rPC |
| 10:42.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | or somebody willing to try and build it for you on his sb |
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| 10:44.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a heroic but usually futile effort to build on N900 |
| 10:45.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | starting with the pathetic amount of real free memory (RAM) you have for such build |
| 10:46.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and not even ending with all the libs and sourcecode you need in adition to basic stuff like gcc |
| 10:48.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | bottom line: building on N900 is feasible for "hello world" (and even that may already suck) - everything beyond is for expert geeks only, and involves stuff like easydeb etc |
| 10:48.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for sure sucks |
| 10:50.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's obfsproxy ? |
| 10:51.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | MHM https://www.torproject.org/projects/obfsproxy.html.en |
| 10:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | also MHM Timmy has left this server (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). |
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| 11:38.38 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm, PIR TV ... I like |
| 11:39.28 | sixwheeledbeast | any news on stuck builder? |
| 11:39.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm https://guardianproject.info/ |
| 11:40.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: shouldn't be stuck |
| 11:40.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/builds/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/all/ |
| 11:41.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think we changed anything since last successful build |
| 11:41.40 | sixwheeledbeast | https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/ bander there since last night |
| 11:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask me why qgodville aapears in the list on left side but not in the box labebeled "latest builds" on right side |
| 11:47.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: this page you referred to looks pretty non-relevant to what'sa ctually going on on builder |
| 11:47.54 | sixwheeledbeast | :shrugs: |
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| 11:48.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I have no clue, sorry I can't help based on the info you give me and the investigations I could do based on that |
| 11:49.13 | sixwheeledbeast | ok |
| 11:49.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | feel free to ping jacekowski about it |
| 11:49.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | but i'm afraid he's on holiday for a week |
| 11:51.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want me to check any particular logfiles or dir content or whatever for you, just holler |
| 11:58.18 | sixwheeledbeast | ~ping |
| 11:58.18 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 12:01.58 | sixwheeledbeast | I have tried it again. See what happens. There's no build errors or logfiles here due to not leaving the queue. |
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| 12:28.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I see www gone down |
| 12:29.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-( |
| 12:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | fuuuuuu..... |
| 12:32.36 | SpeedEvil | sigh. |
| 12:37.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | 200% CPU |
| 12:37.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ssh down |
| 12:38.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | might have to reboot hard the VM |
| 12:38.23 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: don't we have KVM access to it? |
| 12:38.34 | kerio | and by we i mean you |
| 12:38.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is XEN |
| 12:38.43 | kerio | no physical console? |
| 12:38.51 | kerio | that's a paddlin' |
| 12:38.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | virtual phy console, yes |
| 12:39.31 | kerio | like, one for each VM |
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| 13:03.29 | tmpic | Hi. maemo.org is down. Where can I alternatively get the Firmware Upgrade Images and flasher-3.5? |
| 13:04.50 | thedead1440 | ~skeiron |
| 13:04.50 | infobot | [skeiron] the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 |
| 13:04.56 | thedead1440 | tmpic: ^^^ |
| 13:05.16 | tmpic | Thanks. B-) |
| 13:05.19 | tmpic | Happy Easter! |
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| 13:06.36 | thedead1440 | same to you :) |
| 13:10.41 | kerio | also |
| 13:10.44 | kerio | ~pr131 |
| 13:10.44 | infobot | combined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
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| 13:16.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | MEH! another wasted hour |
| 13:16.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
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| 13:40.33 | MSameer | there is something wrong with the extras assistant web ui |
| 13:40.56 | MSameer | I always get "File upload error. (tar file) Please try to upload your packages again!" after i upload both dsc and tarball |
| 13:41.13 | MSameer | jacekowski: ^^^ |
| 13:43.26 | sixwheeledbeast | MSameer: he's on holiday so I am told |
| 13:43.58 | MSameer | well, i don't know how to report the issue then :| |
| 13:44.12 | MSameer | maybe a mailing list but i am not subscribed to any |
| 13:44.27 | sixwheeledbeast | I have no issues with the assistant but the package seems to sit in the queue forever. |
| 13:44.45 | MSameer | maybe there is a limit on the file size |
| 13:44.50 | sixwheeledbeast | also my scp is broken |
| 13:45.02 | MSameer | scp worked fine here |
| 13:45.14 | MSameer | msameer@drop.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle |
| 13:45.31 | MSameer | but so far auto builder hasn't picked the stuff up yet |
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| 13:46.43 | sixwheeledbeast | n900-quran |
| 13:46.45 | sixwheeledbeast | ?? |
| 13:46.47 | MSameer | yup |
| 13:46.55 | MSameer | how did you know? :) |
| 13:47.03 | sixwheeledbeast | it sat in build queue with my package |
| 13:47.09 | MSameer | aha |
| 13:47.34 | MSameer | so scp works in theory but autobuilder is not picking up |
| 13:48.25 | sixwheeledbeast | if you check todays logs. I reported this just after maintenance yesterday. |
| 13:48.50 | sixwheeledbeast | it's not the upload it's not being built |
| 13:49.12 | sixwheeledbeast | my scp issue seems a separate issue. |
| 13:49.13 | MSameer | might be april fools then :P |
| 13:49.24 | MSameer | so builder is playing with us |
| 13:50.28 | MSameer | i don't usually lark here so i missed what you have reported but maybe i should start larking here |
| 13:51.15 | sixwheeledbeast | seems to be where all the good stuff happens |
| 13:51.35 | sixwheeledbeast | if you want to keep bleeding-edge on maemo news... |
| 13:52.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | there might be a cronjob missing or garbled |
| 13:53.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | or some nfs mount borked |
| 13:53.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | or dunno what |
| 13:53.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lart autobuilder |
| 13:53.51 | infobot | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at autobuilder |
| 13:54.11 | sixwheeledbeast | :cough: |
| 13:54.33 | sixwheeledbeast | can no longer see builder for smoke |
| 13:54.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | the only april's fool so far is http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?h=www&m=load_one&r=2hr&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&st=1364822289&g=mem_report&z=large&c=maemo |
| 13:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: so walk on, nothing to see here |
| 13:55.52 | sixwheeledbeast | retreats quickly to reload |
| 13:56.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | you noticed jacekowski's terse topological map of autobuilder at http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure ? |
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| 14:00.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure#Autobuilder_and_friends particularly |
| 14:01.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll happily provide excerps from any dirs or logs, if you tell me what you wanna know |
| 14:04.39 | kerio | hm, "topological map" |
| 14:04.50 | kerio | i was expecting a continuous function between topological spaces |
| 14:06.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL, you're missing out dimensions to see the continuity ;-) |
| 14:07.03 | kerio | dimensions? |
| 14:07.08 | kerio | wtf is a dimension |
| 14:07.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki dimension |
| 14:07.27 | kerio | point-set topology has no dimensions |
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| 14:20.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder how this: |
| 14:20.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | root@www1:~# free |
| 14:20.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Mem: 6050036 925144 5124892 0 71960 314988 |
| 14:20.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | -/+ buffers/cache: 538196 5511840 |
| 14:21.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | matches this: http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?h=www&m=load_one&r=2hr&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&st=1364822289&g=mem_report&z=large&c=maemo |
| 14:25.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh nevermind, I forgot to refresh the ganglia display |
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| 14:55.54 | sixwheeledbeast | I don't understand how people get so confused with CSSU |
| 14:55.54 | sixwheeledbeast | sighs |
| 14:58.50 | thedead1440 | sixwheeledbeast: they don't read wiki or anything and want it served to them ;) |
| 14:59.08 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm |
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| 15:00.09 | sixwheeledbeast | someone thinking "sudo apt-get install cssufeatures" installs CSSU Stable. |
| 15:00.20 | thedead1440 | yeah saw that post |
| 15:01.32 | jacekowski | MSameer: checksum mismatch |
| 15:01.42 | jacekowski | MSameer: or something like that |
| 15:02.01 | MSameer | that's weird |
| 15:07.14 | kerio | mmh, around 100 USD/BTC now |
| 15:08.16 | Drathir | anyone using mcabber with otr? |
| 15:08.26 | jacekowski | hmmmm |
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| 15:08.43 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:13.14 | jacekowski | MSameer: autobuilder is down because cron is not working, and i can't fix it myself because of stupid politics |
| 15:15.12 | Drathir | jacekowski: is not possible to restart autobuilder by hand? |
| 15:15.50 | jacekowski | all you have to do is start cron |
| 15:16.18 | jacekowski | but because of some stupid rules i'm not supposed to do it |
| 15:16.34 | Drathir | btw i find something that http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.otr.user/1802 with issue otr and i have question is secure to install by hand package from http://maemo.org/packages/view/pidgin-otr/ ? |
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| 15:18.24 | Drathir | i think if i install package by hand that dont broke repository? this packages is the same like normal deb files? |
| 15:19.03 | jacekowski | you can install external packages just fine |
| 15:19.21 | jacekowski | but why do you want to install it when it's in the repository? |
| 15:20.09 | jacekowski | enable extras devel and apt-get install pidgin-otr |
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| 15:34.52 | sixwheeledbeast | who can restart cron then? |
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| 15:40.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-01 17:40:20] <DocScrutinizer05> here we go... buildme running |
| 15:41.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: sorry for stupid rules, but your bitching about them doesn't help |
| 15:42.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know what's the required procedure to do root stuff, please don't bitch but follow the procedure |
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| 15:44.56 | Drathir | jacekowski: i think about try to check what is wrong with that package, why dont work i dont know much about that but why not to try check... |
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| 15:49.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: sysops |
| 15:50.02 | sixwheeledbeast | sysops: ping |
| 15:50.19 | sixwheeledbeast | :P |
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| 15:58.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: pong |
| 15:58.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | wazzup? |
| 15:59.52 | sixwheeledbeast | sysops: restart cron on builder please? |
| 16:00.27 | sixwheeledbeast | oh, you have |
| 16:01.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're already recovering from impact |
| 16:01.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-P |
| 16:01.09 | sixwheeledbeast | ta, very much :) |
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| 16:02.37 | thedead1440 | we should have a new bot named sysbot |
| 16:02.50 | thedead1440 | and yes i know doc is close to being a bot but he's a moody bot so not a bot-bot :p |
| 16:05.37 | sixwheeledbeast | sysbot: ping ? |
| 16:06.21 | thedead1440 | :D |
| 16:06.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | not in my list of highlights |
| 16:06.51 | thedead1440 | add it then ;) |
| 16:07.32 | thedead1440 | ...and when you are pinged as sysbot you can't go liam neeson on said person :D |
| 16:07.53 | thedead1440 | sysbot: lart DocScrutinizer05 |
| 16:07.56 | sysbot | you rang? |
| 16:08.35 | sixwheeledbeast | when will maemo.org login be working sysbot? |
| 16:08.52 | thedead1440 | sysbot: why is *patch not removed from extras yet? |
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| 16:09.02 | sysbot | when we found out about how to fix the crypt() php plugin mess |
| 16:09.29 | sysbot | because nobody instructed techstaff to do so yet |
| 16:09.52 | sixwheeledbeast | thedead1440: people are still "in disscusion" about it |
| 16:09.56 | thedead1440 | sixwheeledbeast: ^^^ why no instructions? |
| 16:09.58 | thedead1440 | oh |
| 16:10.20 | thedead1440 | oh sysbot left us... :( |
| 16:10.31 | sixwheeledbeast | I have instructed but CC decided to be diplomatic |
| 16:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | it feels like MrData losing his emotion chip |
| 16:11.28 | thedead1440 | sixwheeledbeast: i suspected the reaction this way; especially considering the proposition is so broad and not only about *patch |
| 16:11.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | over-diplomatic, I might add. My privaze 2ct |
| 16:12.36 | sixwheeledbeast | I agree, I feel *patch is a different matter to "broken foo pkg" |
| 16:12.45 | thedead1440 | indeed |
| 16:12.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I think CC instructed MT to start a thread "asking about any technical objections against removing *patch", not extending the discussion if it should get done |
| 16:13.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | but... over-diplomatic, as usual |
| 16:13.14 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: indeed; i couldn't find in any logs of meeting where it was about extending the discussion |
| 16:13.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
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| 16:13.31 | sixwheeledbeast | agreed. |
| 16:13.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | this was a pretty clear decission made during CC-meeting |
| 16:14.03 | thedead1440 | i went thru the logs twice thinking i was sleepy during meeting so missed it but ended up wasting my time :( |
| 16:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm busy with other stuff, so if any of you feels like calling in on that thread and correct matters |
| 16:14.48 | sixwheeledbeast | I don't see why CC needs to ask C for permission to remove foo if reported dangerous. |
| 16:14.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ... go ahead |
| 16:15.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | you may quote me on "it's been already decided to remove, if no technical objections" |
| 16:16.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | add a link to CC-meeting |
| 16:16.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | chanlog |
| 16:16.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | == done == |
| 16:16.38 | thedead1440 | that thread has gone so far that doing something like that would not be effective actually |
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| 16:16.53 | kerio | which thread? |
| 16:16.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 16:17.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | what else could be done? |
| 16:17.03 | thedead1440 | kerio: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89644 |
| 16:17.48 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: MT himself calls in the thread about what it actually was supposed to be... after all Council members have more credibility than anybody else |
| 16:18.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | where? |
| 16:18.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | his initial post been rather fuzzy iirc |
| 16:18.49 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: yeah i meant that to: "00:19 <DocScrutinizer05> what else could be done?" |
| 16:19.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 16:19.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | the thread title is not to the point already: >>[Council] Should Tech Staff and/or Council Remove Dangerous Packages From Extras and Extras-Testing?<< |
| 16:19.37 | thedead1440 | exactly |
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| 16:19.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not going into that |
| 16:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-01 18:15:51] <DocScrutinizer05> you may quote me on "it's been already decided to remove, if no technical objections" |
| 16:20.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-04-01 18:16:18] <DocScrutinizer05> add a link to CC-meeting |
| 16:20.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | no need to start a poll on community like >>Should Tech Staff and/or Council Remove..<< |
| 16:21.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | the whole thread is fubar |
| 16:21.26 | kerio | known broken packages should be removed from -devel too |
| 16:21.32 | kerio | hell, *the developer* should remove them ASAP |
| 16:21.39 | thedead1440 | i'm not interfering with that too; as it is i've had enough of the Community sub-forum with being flamed for bs... sixwheeledbeast may want to try calling that thread's true purpose... |
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| 16:22.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | title should have been >>last chance to rise technical objections against removal of *patch from extras and extras-testing<< |
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| 16:23.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd suggest to edit thread title, give it another 3 days for anybody to come up with technical concerns, then close thread and cal it a kill |
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| 16:25.39 | sixwheeledbeast | kerio: thedead1440: DocScrutinizer05: agreed, agreed, agreed. |
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| 16:31.33 | thedead1440 | hmm *patch is to be removed from extras-devel too? I thought its going to be demoted to extras-devel for somebody interested to fix it? |
| 16:33.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, it's not supposed to get removed from extras-devel. We have very limited justification to remove *anything* from -devel |
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| 17:02.34 | sixwheeledbeast | Only reference I can find is http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging/Guidelines#Conformance_and_handling_packaging_differences |
| 17:02.50 | sixwheeledbeast | thedead1440: and it needs fixing, why? |
| 17:03.50 | thedead1440 | sixwheeledbeast: "if" anybody wants to promote it by fixing the licence violations, warning message etc...basically a politically correct answer ;) |
| 17:04.34 | sixwheeledbeast | update the postrm script to purge itself? |
| 17:04.53 | thedead1440 | hehe |
| 17:05.05 | thedead1440 | that may not be really bad |
| 17:05.17 | thedead1440 | you would still get people saying their phones are so much more faster now |
| 17:05.23 | thedead1440 | placebo effect and all... |
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| 17:06.19 | sixwheeledbeast | issue is if it could purge itself cleanly the package wouldn't be a big issue. |
| 17:06.37 | thedead1440 | ah yes that's another problem... |
| 17:07.22 | sixwheeledbeast | it the being mislead I don't like. |
| 17:08.44 | thedead1440 | indeed; almost everyone who had issues with it felt misled after all |
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| 17:10.06 | sixwheeledbeast | this is on top of the issues with the package itself. |
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| 17:31.40 | Drathir | why the devel stuff cant be signed and maintain with trusted community/garage users? |
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| 17:33.36 | Drathir | and go to more stable repository tree the acces level of people who can editing will be upper? |
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| 17:54.26 | lokimotive | yo |
| 17:57.42 | Drathir | hi |
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| 18:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: estras-devel stuff is supposed to get promoted to extras-testing when the developer is sure that it reached production quality |
| 18:30.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: stuff is extras-testing shall get tested (surprise, isn't it ;-D) by the testers, who are supposed to have a decent clue how to check for rogue stuff. IF the testers have checked the package and found it is ok, it can get promoted to extras repo |
| 18:30.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas for *patch this procedure failed to work on several levels |
| 18:32.32 | sixwheeled|away | fanboy issues. All the respected testers and devs voted against. |
| 18:33.38 | sixwheeled|away | IMO a minimum Karma level to pkg rate could solve this. however this would bring up other issues. |
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| 19:48.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: we're just trying to shape the "Matterhorn" on http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?h=www&m=load_one&r=2hr&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&st=1364822289&g=mem_report&z=large&c=maemo |
| 19:49.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 19:50.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Matterhorn-EastAndNorthside-viewedFromZermatt_landscapeformat.jpg |
| 19:50.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably changing the cache to blue color would help a lot |
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| 19:51.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | or background blue, "cache/buffers" white, and "used" gray |
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