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| 10:49.29 | freemangordon | Pali: seems there are sane guys on the kernel ML after all :) |
| 10:49.57 | Pali | I read mails |
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| 12:22.24 | vi__ | What is the law in Germany WRT to running diesel cars on vegetable oil? |
| 12:23.54 | warfare | As long as your car can handle it, there should be no problem. |
| 12:25.08 | kerio | are olives a vegetable? |
| 12:25.12 | vi__ | You do not have to pay tax or something? |
| 12:25.20 | vi__ | kerio: olive is a fruit. |
| 12:25.37 | kerio | good point |
| 12:25.39 | vi__ | just like tomatos |
| 12:25.52 | warfare | vi__: Nope. Rapeseed Oil isn't mineral oil, so you don't have to pay tax. |
| 12:26.13 | warfare | http://www.poeler.net/modules.php?name=Tankstation has a list of rapeseed fuel stations. |
| 12:26.32 | vi__ | Wait, what. |
| 12:26.43 | vi__ | You have actual veg oil filling stations?? |
| 12:27.14 | warfare | Yep. And it has the lower VAT of 7% instead of 19%. |
| 12:27.40 | vi__ | Well shit. |
| 12:27.51 | vi__ | So how much is 1l of veg oil in Germany? |
| 12:28.01 | warfare | around 65 cents? |
| 12:28.06 | vi__ | ???!!!! |
| 12:28.08 | vi__ | !!! |
| 12:28.09 | vi__ | ! |
| 12:28.10 | vi__ | !!! |
| 12:28.18 | vi__ | WTF |
| 12:28.22 | vi__ | how?? |
| 12:28.35 | warfare | This stuff grows everywhere? |
| 12:29.03 | vi__ | In the UK it is generally around 1.18 euro and only if you find a special deal. |
| 12:29.55 | vi__ | We get shafted from every direction over here. |
| 12:30.18 | warfare | Oh, sorry, current price is 82 cents/l |
| 12:30.36 | warfare | Diesel is at around 1,40€/l |
| 12:30.37 | vi__ | Cost of living goes up up up, wages remain static :| |
| 12:31.15 | vi__ | Diesel is 1.71 euro here. |
| 12:32.08 | vi__ | We all need energy to live our lives and private companies have us by the balls. |
| 12:33.36 | warfare | my next central heating gets some panels on the roof and photovoltaics. |
| 12:33.54 | vi__ | Yeah. Paint your roof black as well. |
| 12:35.33 | kerio | laughs at people trying to keep their house /warmer/ |
| 12:36.03 | vi__ | kerio: it is 8deg in my bedroom. |
| 12:36.11 | vi__ | I need all the heat I can get. |
| 12:36.14 | warfare | had below zero for the last few weeks outside. |
| 12:36.39 | vi__ | It has been below zero for a week or so now, I meant 8deg INSIDE the house. |
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| 12:41.42 | warfare | vi__: you're from uk? |
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| 12:48.41 | kerio | 22°C in my bedroom |
| 12:51.25 | vi__ | Scotland. |
| 12:52.12 | kerio | italy! :D |
| 12:56.54 | freemangordon | vi__: what, 8 deg IN THE ROOM?!? |
| 12:58.49 | freemangordon | omg, I am freezing if the temperature in my room fall below 25 |
| 12:58.51 | freemangordon | runs |
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| 13:07.06 | jargon | is there any decent Whatsapp for the n900? |
| 13:07.17 | thedead1440 | jargon: Yappari |
| 13:08.20 | jargon | thedead1440: i'm reading the yappari thread on tmo and it doesn't seem stable? |
| 13:09.13 | thedead1440 | jargon: it is stable only media sending is failing currently same on Wazapp N9 due to Whatsapp having updated their protocol yet again |
| 13:10.36 | jargon | thedead1440: i see |
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| 13:12.42 | jargon | where do i install it from? is it in the repos or do i need to download a .deb? |
| 13:13.59 | thedead1440 | see the first post of the thread; it should be stated |
| 13:14.27 | jargon | ahh yes. deb,then |
| 13:17.42 | ShadowJK | vi__; need better house |
| 13:18.18 | ShadowJK | 's room stays at 20C if it's warmer than -5C outside, if I have my comoputer running |
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| 13:23.11 | jargon | what is NITDroid? |
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| 13:36.14 | vi__ | Yes, I need a better house. |
| 13:36.42 | vi__ | I do not know how somone, with good conscience could build such an inefficient piece of shit. |
| 13:36.50 | vi__ | It is worse than skype for the n900. |
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| 13:47.55 | ShadowJK | Without the PC on I'd need a fire once a day in the fireplace |
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| 14:07.10 | SpeedEvil | is insulating his house properly. |
| 14:07.25 | SpeedEvil | I'm hoping to not need heating. |
| 14:08.38 | SpeedEvil | >25cm of insulation on all sides, a couple of hundred tons heat storage, and solar gain. |
| 14:13.45 | cehteh | now you need aircon in summer to cool it down :P |
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| 14:27.20 | ShadowJK | removes insulation for summer |
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| 15:30.02 | M4rtinK | RzR: just got word from the Mer/Nemo mobile people that the MeeGo COBS might be shutting down soon |
| 15:30.02 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: it's Scotland |
| 15:30.18 | M4rtinK | RzR: they also already migrated their stuff |
| 15:30.27 | SpeedEvil | more seriously, air-air heat exchangers work either way |
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| 15:58.34 | norayr | did anyone use Qt mobile hotspot? |
| 15:59.16 | norayr | It works fine, the only problem I have is that I can connect to it only with other n900 or N810. Not with laptop. I have tried 3 gnu/linux laptops. |
| 15:59.55 | norayr | I don't remember now the problem exactly. I believe laptops can see the SSID but cannot associate with it. |
| 16:00.10 | norayr | I have changed channels and it did not help. |
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| 16:10.07 | norayr | yeah. I tried it again. I cannot change channel. Just it does not associate. And channel is 1. May be this is a problem. |
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| 16:31.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: vi needs a huge computer maybe? |
| 16:33.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: you built a jacket for your house?? o.O |
| 16:34.30 | ShadowJK | no |
| 16:40.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | norayr: *hotspot does fake AP, it's actually not infrastructure mode but adhoc mode |
| 16:41.17 | kerio | there's no "association" in adhoc mode, is there |
| 16:41.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | so your PC might fail to search for AP (which have infrastructure mode), rather you need to associate to hotspot in adhoc mode, maybe even by manually entering the data for that connection |
| 16:42.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, what kerio said, there's no such thing like associate for adhoc mode |
| 16:44.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | also adhoc doesn't support any powersaving-mode (PSM), thus your client's WLAN chip will eat quite some energy |
| 16:46.00 | kerio | are you sure about this last thing? iirc there was something about the clients roundrobining the role of the AP, wrt power saving |
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| 16:54.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 16:54.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't see how that would work |
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| 16:56.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | in theory a adhoc peer could announce those sleeping periods and send out beacons just like an AP does in infrastructure mode, but I doubt any client's WLAN chip firmware was able to handle that, since it's not supposed to exist |
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| 16:59.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | or let me put it this way: if a adhoc peer would do all this, then it probably isn't an adhoc peer anymore, but a true infrastructure AP |
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| 17:00.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | if N900 could make the WLAN chip send true beacons and all that (aiui only feasible in raw mode, or with support from wlan chip firmware for infrastructure mode), then we wouldn't need that botch withh adhoc mode |
| 17:01.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might be wrong, but that's what I seem to know |
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| 17:14.04 | Woody14619 | FWIW: JoikuSpot puts the N900 into AP mode. So it's possible. |
| 17:16.14 | kerio | does it? |
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| 17:41.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: citation needed |
| 17:41.17 | Pali | Woody14619, n900 HW does not support AP mode |
| 17:41.34 | Pali | (ehm, support, but firmware is missing) |
| 17:41.43 | Woody14619 | I run Joikuspot and it shows up as an AP client. |
| 17:41.59 | Pali | Woody14619, maybe only ad-hoc |
| 17:42.07 | Pali | AP for sure not |
| 17:42.36 | Woody14619 | No... It's quite clear. Windows makes a big fuss over AP vs Ad-Hoc clients... |
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| 17:43.56 | Pali | Woody14619, maybe with packet injection driver you can simulate and create fake AP |
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| 17:44.33 | kerio | the joikuspot user guide has screenshots from windows that clearly show adhoc mode for the joikuspot network |
| 17:44.33 | Woody14619 | It loads a single module to my knowledge... JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko |
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| 17:44.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: yes, packet injection basically is raw mode |
| 17:45.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it's not necessarily a "fake" AP |
| 17:45.20 | kerio | Some laptops (depends on the laptop vendor) may require that you allow “Computer-to-computer (ad-hoc) networks only” for JoikuSpot. |
| 17:45.21 | Pali | JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko is driver which enabling NAT+packet forwarding |
| 17:45.42 | Pali | (because nokia kernel does not have iptables enabled) |
| 17:45.57 | Pali | that driver is replacement for joiku |
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| 17:46.36 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, so is there any SW which can simulate AP mode? |
| 17:46.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I don't know |
| 17:47.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | packet injection just occured to me, haven't thought about it before |
| 17:47.15 | Woody14619 | testing now... |
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| 17:50.51 | freemangordon | Pali: did you see the last mail from Tony? |
| 17:51.02 | Pali | freemangordon, yes |
| 17:51.15 | freemangordon | toldya, there are sane guys :D |
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| 17:55.48 | Woody14619 | So apparently iPads don't indicate mode. Windows does show it at ad-hoc. My bad. |
| 17:56.00 | kerio | i'm surprised your ipad can connect to it at all |
| 17:56.42 | Woody14619 | Most times I've used it, it's been to supply internet to iPeople, and it shows up as AP for them (or rather, iDevices don't distinguish connection type). |
| 17:56.57 | thedead1440 | kerio: iPads have no issues connecting to ad-hoc; its droids with the issue |
| 17:57.02 | kerio | ah yes |
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| 19:18.49 | GI_Jack | so, gpg and otr on maemo, whats a good way to do this? |
| 19:21.26 | kerio | otr for what? |
| 19:21.29 | kerio | gnupg is already installed |
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| 19:27.57 | GI_Jack | secure ims |
| 19:28.05 | GI_Jack | and gpg support for email, and other stuff |
| 19:28.14 | GI_Jack | gpg is installed for apt-, but it is not implemented |
| 19:28.17 | GI_Jack | otherwise |
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| 19:30.13 | kerio | hm, maybe your best bet for IM is to install a different IM client |
| 19:30.17 | kerio | like pidgin, maybe |
| 19:30.24 | GI_Jack | trying qutim |
| 19:35.37 | GI_Jack | just installed the firefox ver of https everywhere |
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| 20:44.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] we had a problem that broke mails from tmo, wiki, other subsystems to a small number of mail addr that actually do exim sender-verify-callout. This is fixed now |
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| 23:43.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ping |
| 23:43.47 | kerio | pong |
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