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| 05:28.24 | kwtm | Anyone using a Linux tablet? like a jailbroken Nook, Kindle, or the Samsung something-tablet II? |
| 05:31.22 | Hurrian | kwtm, I'm using a Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9. |
| 05:33.10 | Hurrian | kwtm: It runs most "apps" fine, but any more than 10 tabs in Chrome and it starts to poo itself. |
| 05:33.45 | Hurrian | Which I guess would be alright on a phone-class device, but isn't quite so on a tablet. |
| 05:36.42 | Hurrian | tl;dr Avoid Tegra 2 at all costs |
| 05:54.29 | wmarone__ | tegra 2 is creaky and old |
| 05:54.38 | wmarone__ | and some early revs had critical errata |
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| 09:02.03 | Sicelo | hi. i have a weird problem on a friend's N900. It tends to close applications (most notably Modest), whenever the space key is pressed. So, he can't write emails containing spaces, etc |
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| 09:42.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: check PR version |
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| 09:43.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not be surprised to hear you found PR1.0.1 on that device |
| 09:44.41 | Sicelo | it's 1.3. i had flashed it for him about a year or two ago |
| 09:44.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | you also could disable spellchecking and autocompletion in settings-inputmode |
| 09:45.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | (or somesuch) |
| 09:45.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I'd suggest a reflash |
| 09:46.54 | Sicelo | we did :-/ |
| 09:47.15 | Sicelo | although now i think he restored a backup |
| 09:47.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and maybe mv ~user/.osso/dictionaries/.personal.dictionary and .used.dictionary to somewhere else |
| 09:48.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that still doesn't help, do a full reflash and check on a plain PR1.3.1 without any apps or settings restored |
| 09:50.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm rather sure I heard about a similar bug in PR1.0.x with spellcheck or autocompletion (thus I never encountered it since I disabled both on day 1) |
| 09:52.05 | Sicelo | ok. thanks for the pointer. will check |
| 09:54.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: of course enabling coredumps might also help to track down the issue |
| 09:55.15 | Sicelo | how do i enable that? |
| 09:56.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think a package called rich-coredomps or similar should accomplish that |
| 09:56.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/o/u/ |
| 09:56.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 09:56.26 | Sicelo | thanks. i'll check |
| 09:56.59 | Sicelo | if he wasn't my friend, lol, i'd just let him be, and make an offer to buy it :p |
| 09:58.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | sp-rich-core ? |
| 09:59.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/sp-rich-core/ |
| 10:00.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/sp-rich-core-postproc/ |
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| 10:44.30 | kwtm | Hurrian: Your Galaxy Tab is jailbroken? |
| 10:46.14 | kwtm | To be clear: I'm looking for something that has a shell with scripting (preferably bash) and some general programming language, preferably Python. |
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| 10:49.23 | kwtm | I'm looking for educational kids' games; and I thought I'd get nice ones with MS Win or iOS, but I find that the apps there generally aren't what I want or pop up with ads to buy extensions to the games or just aren't customizable to the age group that I want. |
| 10:50.14 | kwtm | KDE games, on the other hand, have what I want so I'm trying to see if they can run on a tablet platform so I don't have to use the laptop for them. |
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| 11:52.49 | Hurrian | kwtm: it's rooted, and has a custom Android 4.2.2 ROM on it. |
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| 11:53.23 | Hurrian | bash/sh/ksh/csh work just fine on it without a GNU user land chroot, but it helps. |
| 11:53.24 | kwtm | Hurrian: ok. shell scripting? general programming language? I'm guessing you're using Cyanogen, but I'm not familiar enough with it to know its features.. |
| 11:53.32 | kwtm | Hurrian: Ah, thx. |
| 11:54.11 | Hurrian | Yes, it's Cyanogenmod 10.1. CM adds neat features that aren't a massive departure from stock Android, but you'll eventually learn to love them. |
| 11:54.48 | Hurrian | Take for example the editable power widget. It gives you the same flexibility the status area on Maemo has. |
| 11:55.29 | Hurrian | After having to use it a few times in a pinch, having a flashlight toggle available is quite neat. |
| 11:55.53 | Hurrian | kwtm: GCC works fine in a GNU chroot. |
| 11:56.36 | Hurrian | Mind the free RAM though. You will eventually need to use a swapfile. |
| 11:57.29 | Hurrian | …And yes, KDE SC runs fine under a loopback VNC connection. Do note that compositing is /not/ available. |
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| 11:57.51 | Hurrian | There is zero hardware acceleration for X11 programs running under the Android stack. |
| 11:58.06 | kwtm | Hurrian: Ah, having KDE is useful. At least they have nice dialog boxes callable from script. |
| 11:58.16 | Hurrian | Keep that in mind if the kids' apps, or the kids require a low-latency solution. |
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| 11:58.51 | kwtm | There's not a whole lot of animation. My goal is to have the usual apps, but launched by some quiz mechanism. |
| 11:59.11 | kwtm | E.g. "Want to play this Reversi game? First you have to answer this question: 3+5= ? " or something like that. |
| 11:59.32 | Hurrian | ah. yup, it'll work out just fine, then. |
| 11:59.48 | Hurrian | I thought you were trying to run Tux Racer under X11 on Android ;0 |
| 11:59.51 | kwtm | Right now he just whines, "I wanna play the game!" but if he sees that he has to answer questions (not just because daddy says so but because the computer won't let him otherwise), he might be motivated more. |
| 12:00.41 | Hurrian | kwtm: do you need this process to be automated? |
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| 12:01.36 | Hurrian | I've toyed with launching programs under X11 before, and the simplest I've got it down to was running a shell script in the terminal emulator (under Android), which launches a chroot, starts X11, and then starts a game. User intervention is required to start the VNC client. |
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| 12:03.20 | kwtm | Hurrian: automation preferred but not absolutely necessary. Depends on how much time I'd have to spend on it. |
| 12:04.06 | Hurrian | Around 10 seconds at most every time you want to launch the X11 app. |
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| 12:04.54 | Hurrian | I simply launch the terminal emulator, run "sh /data/local/start-game", then switch to the VNC client. It's smooth sailing from there. |
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| 12:51.09 | TheBlindOwl | Hello . is it possible to run maemo on other phones? |
| 12:51.14 | TheBlindOwl | i mean other nokia phones |
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| 13:09.36 | Sicelo | TheBlindOwl: no (well, usually anything is possible, but ...) |
| 13:11.35 | TheBlindOwl | Sicelo: Hello how are things going on in swaziland? |
| 13:14.19 | Sicelo | wtf!! |
| 13:14.35 | Sicelo | then it mean my initial suspicion was right |
| 13:14.37 | Sicelo | :P |
| 13:14.49 | Sicelo | there is only one blind owl, lol |
| 13:14.58 | Sicelo | Swaziland is good :) |
| 13:15.09 | Sicelo | what brings you to this channel? |
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| 13:16.42 | TheBlindOwl | Sicelo: I'm ok |
| 13:16.47 | TheBlindOwl | Long story |
| 13:17.01 | TheBlindOwl | some kind of gang stole my money and phone in street |
| 13:17.04 | TheBlindOwl | i had SE p1 |
| 13:17.08 | TheBlindOwl | you remember? |
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| 13:17.52 | TheBlindOwl | After that i bought a used n97 |
| 13:17.58 | TheBlindOwl | for 70$ |
| 13:18.12 | TheBlindOwl | i thought i can install maemo on it and get rid of its stupid os |
| 13:19.14 | Sicelo | ok. well, quick answer is no. |
| 13:19.20 | Sicelo | good to see you again though :) |
| 13:19.44 | TheBlindOwl | Sicelo: Thanks.i'm happy to see you again too.skype no longer works |
| 13:20.10 | TheBlindOwl | so n97 is crap? |
| 13:20.26 | Hurrian | TheBlindOwl, you haven't used the N97 for long, have you |
| 13:20.43 | Aoyagi_joytop | N97 is crap, yes. |
| 13:22.18 | TheBlindOwl | Hurrian: I'm using it for about 3 weeks now |
| 13:22.26 | TheBlindOwl | dealing mostly with java apps |
| 13:22.35 | Hurrian | ouch. |
| 13:22.48 | Hurrian | you didn't opt to get an E7 or N8? |
| 13:23.11 | Aoyagi_joytop | Or N95 >.> |
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| 13:23.24 | TheBlindOwl | Well.I was looking for a cheap device with QWERTY and wifi |
| 13:23.31 | Hurrian | Aoyagi_joytop, battery life on WiFi isn't exactly great on the N95 |
| 13:23.32 | TheBlindOwl | like my beloved SE p1 |
| 13:23.49 | TheBlindOwl | e7 and n8 are expensive |
| 13:24.09 | Aoyagi_joytop | Hurrian: Battery is better than any modern "smartphones" ! :D I don't know about WiFi though, I don't use it. |
| 13:24.55 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: thanks a million about your dictionary suggestion.. looks like my friend is a happy man now, much to my sadness, lol :P |
| 13:25.00 | TheBlindOwl | so you mean i wasted some 70$? |
| 13:25.11 | Aoyagi_joytop | It's not -that- bad phone. |
| 13:25.15 | Hurrian | Aoyagi_joytop: I'd still be using mine for phone calls, MP3s and photos if the flex didn't give up. |
| 13:25.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: :-D |
| 13:25.42 | Hurrian | TheBlindOwl: you could've bought a cheap China android phone. |
| 13:25.46 | Aoyagi_joytop | Hurrian: I separated mine into two parts while in amok. |
| 13:26.19 | TheBlindOwl | I had only one nokia phone before. which is a 3310 that still works |
| 13:27.18 | TheBlindOwl | http://img.susepaste.org/images/c79dd983.jpg |
| 13:27.19 | TheBlindOwl | this |
| 13:27.37 | Hurrian | meh, my 3310's battery has bloated beyond repair. |
| 13:28.57 | TheBlindOwl | My battery works for about 8 hours standby and 1 hour talktime |
| 13:29.01 | TheBlindOwl | it was stronger in past |
| 13:29.12 | TheBlindOwl | i'm having this guy for some 11 years |
| 13:31.06 | Aoyagi_joytop | 3210 and 3310 are almost immortal. |
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| 13:33.22 | TheBlindOwl | I enjoy using it in public :D |
| 13:33.24 | TheBlindOwl | not sure why |
| 13:35.59 | jaska | need to find a 105 somewhere so i can use it after the n900 dies <.< |
| 13:36.30 | Hurrian | jaska, I bet shipping from Asia would be more expensive than the phone. |
| 13:37.07 | jaska | i dont want the one-up model they sell here that has the shitty proxy web browser, doubt ill buy another smartphone as there arent any on the market <.< |
| 13:37.16 | ShadowJK | nah, China Post makes it cheap |
| 13:37.29 | FlameReaper-N900 | I'm still hopeful for a Jolla device so that I can really, really retire my N900 |
| 13:37.48 | RiD | give it to me :P |
| 13:38.01 | jaska | im fairly doubtful of jolla ever generating a replacement |
| 13:38.04 | RiD | the n900 i mean |
| 13:38.10 | FlameReaper-N900 | Or maybe not retire it at all :P |
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| 13:39.13 | TheBlindOwl | buy an n9 |
| 13:39.15 | TheBlindOwl | its nice |
| 13:39.23 | TheBlindOwl | linux powered |
| 13:39.33 | FlameReaper-N900 | Probably I should learn more about electronics and find a way to manufacture a more modern board into this n900's chassis :P |
| 13:40.17 | ShadowJK | it'd take years to fix N9's OS though, and aegis is in the way blocking things? |
| 13:42.21 | Hurrian | FlameReaper-N900, components for that are $$$. |
| 13:42.40 | Hurrian | although you could probably just buy a pandaboard and 3G air card though |
| 13:42.56 | FlameReaper-N900 | Yeah... |
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| 14:58.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | or get a TI blaze ;-P |
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| 14:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever you do, for sure there won't run maemo on it ;-) |
| 15:00.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | so if you just want a device with some bitter flavour of *nix on it, get an arbitrary android or fruitphone |
| 15:01.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want the most secure smartphone available to mere mortals (US president is using a special dualboot variant of winphone iirc), then get a N9 |
| 15:04.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | sailfish kinda looks like re-inventing the wheel but without spokes - I don't see the apps nor the userbase for it yet |
| 15:04.53 | jaska | im more worried about hardware :) |
| 15:05.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | it probably won't be worse than N9 |
| 15:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the GUI is HARM v3.0 - extremely touch oriented, with no indications in sight for any decent hw-kbd support or stylus-level accuracy of pointer device |
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| 15:10.04 | jaska | guess i'll have to keep on waiting. |
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| 15:12.50 | wmarone__ | I suspect many users in here will be waiting forever |
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| 15:16.45 | jaska | prolly, back to dumbphones :) |
| 15:17.39 | wmarone__ | that's just being whiny and opting for something completely closed because you can't get your perfect open device |
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| 15:32.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, a sane concept: the best or the cheapest. Always worked for me |
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| 15:32.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | for now I feel like I found the best with N900 |
| 15:39.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | paying more for a lot less would make me feel like I got fooled |
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| 15:42.14 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: doesn't the US president use a Blackberry 9900 or am I missing the joke? :D |
| 15:44.06 | RiD | the joke about him being black? |
| 15:44.37 | thedead1440 | o_O |
| 15:44.53 | thedead1440 | i was referring to >><DocScrutinizer05> if you want the most secure smartphone available to mere mortals (US president is using a special dualboot variant of winphone iirc), then get a N9<< |
| 15:45.01 | RiD | oops |
| 15:45.36 | RiD | the presidents get all the special stuff :( |
| 15:45.59 | kerio | the most secure smartphone available to mere mortals is a n900 with full disk encryption! |
| 15:47.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | arguably yes |
| 15:48.02 | kerio | and encrypted SIP for calls i guess |
| 15:48.16 | kerio | just iptables the shit out of everything except for an encrypted tunnel |
| 15:48.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | but only when you take own care about both the disk-enc *and* security audit of all apps you install |
| 15:49.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd still love to see a ZRTP implementation on maemo5 |
| 15:51.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | though with a VPN to an asterisk server under your control you might get away with "normal" SIP/RTP |
| 15:51.12 | vi__ | The most secure smartphone is the one you do not lose. |
| 15:52.24 | RiD | http://bit.ly/TN9Hiy <- that is the most secure smartphone |
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| 16:04.21 | Pali | Estel_, kerio, I edited bme wiki page, look at it and comment what is/is_not OK |
| 16:04.39 | kerio | Pali: wrong channel :) |
| 16:07.36 | Woody14619 | ~seen M4artink |
| 16:07.46 | infobot | Woody14619: i haven't seen 'm4artink' |
| 16:07.53 | Woody14619 | grr |
| 16:07.59 | Woody14619 | ~seem m4rtink |
| 16:08.08 | Woody14619 | ~seen m4rtink |
| 16:08.08 | infobot | m4rtink is currently on #maemo (1h 46m 27s) #harmattan (1h 46m 27s) #meego (1h 46m 27s) #maemo-ssu (1h 46m 27s), last said: 'also, all 0.04 - 0.40 changelogs are here: http://modrana.org/trac/wiki/ChangelogEN :)'. |
| 16:08.08 | thedead1440 | ~seen M4rtinK |
| 16:08.09 | infobot | m4rtink is currently on #maemo (1h 46m 28s) #harmattan (1h 46m 28s) #meego (1h 46m 28s) #maemo-ssu (1h 46m 28s), last said: 'also, all 0.04 - 0.40 changelogs are here: http://modrana.org/trac/wiki/ChangelogEN :)'. |
| 16:08.21 | Woody14619 | yo, vi__ ^^ |
| 16:08.43 | Woody14619 | .oO(If I could type today, I'd be less dangerious.) |
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| 16:13.40 | kerio | Pali: i don't think that shutting down immediately below a voltage would work properly |
| 16:14.12 | Pali | kerio, this is estel_ request when he want to disable EDV1 shutdown |
| 16:14.27 | kerio | yeah, but *one* measurement below a threshold can happen for various reasons |
| 16:15.33 | Pali | kerio, if voltage will be (by default) below EDV1 voltage (or will be set to 0) this option will never cause shutdown |
| 16:15.36 | kerio | Pali: the EDV1 flag is set when the voltage is below edv1 for some seconds |
| 16:15.38 | Pali | device will be olready off |
| 16:15.56 | kerio | like, maybe make it 10 or 15 seconds below the threshold? |
| 16:16.01 | Pali | kerio, I can set default value to 0mV |
| 16:16.15 | kerio | no, i mean for people who *want* to use that option :) |
| 16:16.32 | Pali | and soembody can set that option to what thet want |
| 16:16.50 | kerio | yeah but a sudden load can cause a voltage spike drop |
| 16:17.50 | kerio | ShadowJK and DocScrutinizer05: help? how do we make sure that the voltage is actually below a certain threshold and it's not just a spike? |
| 16:18.09 | Pali | kerio now (in my git tree) hald-addon-bme waiting 10s after sending dbus empty signal and before sending dsme empty signal (which causing turn off) |
| 16:18.29 | kerio | Pali: while checking at every poll if it goes back up the threshold? |
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| 16:18.34 | kerio | 10s is ok i guess |
| 16:18.53 | kerio | maybe make it 15, for consistency with the edv1 flag? idk |
| 16:19.20 | kerio | Pali: why does hald-addon-bme have to specify a value for design capacity? |
| 16:19.41 | kerio | and why do you keep talking about the design capacity like it's something that matters, as opposed to things that actually matter like last full charge? |
| 16:20.05 | Pali | kerio, now when hald-addon-bme decide to power of device it do: send dbus signal, update hal, add g_timeout which will call dsme shutdown funcion after 10s |
| 16:20.12 | kerio | using I2C_SLAVE_FORCE can make the magic smoke come out |
| 16:20.26 | kerio | Pali: yeah but does it cancel the shutdown if the situation changes? |
| 16:20.32 | kerio | like, voltage goes up or charger is connected |
| 16:20.45 | Pali | kerio, because 1) bme hal api needs it 2) because applet using that value |
| 16:21.02 | Pali | kerio, or propose what applet should show for 2) |
| 16:21.08 | kerio | the applet doesn't need that value, all the applet needs is the percentage from bq27200 |
| 16:21.29 | kerio | also, let's move this to #maemo-ssu so E_ can read it too |
| 16:21.48 | Pali | kerio, for design capacity now I mean maximal (is is written on wiki) this value is shown in applet in form A/B (A current, B maximal) |
| 16:22.26 | Pali | kerio, I2C_SLAVE_FORCE: I think that no, but ask that developer on LKML which suggest to use that flag |
| 16:23.17 | Pali | kerio, hald-addon-bme does not cancel shutdown situation because it already sent dbus shutdown signal and some apps using them to "clean" shutdown |
| 16:23.29 | kerio | so it doesn't wait 10 seconds |
| 16:23.51 | kerio | i asked you to require like 10 measurements below the threshold to consider the measurement valid |
| 16:24.19 | Pali | going to #maemo-ssu |
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| 16:27.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: sample voltage for 60s, every second |
| 16:28.16 | kerio | 60 seconds? we might not have that much time when it's about to shut down |
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| 16:32.07 | M4rtinK | Woody14619: ? :) |
| 16:32.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: for sure we have |
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| 16:41.46 | Pali | look here: http://linux-kernel.2935.n7.nabble.com/Driver-lis3lv02d-i2c-not-working-on-Nokia-RX-51-td602214.html |
| 16:41.55 | Pali | and on last post :-) ^^ |
| 16:42.20 | kerio | Pali: doc says we need 60s of measurement to know for sure if we're below the threshold |
| 16:42.36 | Pali | ok |
| 16:43.39 | kerio | Pali: linus ^_^ |
| 16:44.16 | Woody14619 | M4rtinK: vi__ was looking for you earlier. :) |
| 16:44.29 | Woody14619 | But missed the a=>4 conversion. ;) |
| 16:45.15 | M4rtinK | oh, that was probably because of the UK Ordnance Survey layer |
| 16:45.25 | M4rtinK | I'Ve already added it in the meantime :) |
| 16:45.44 | ShadowJK | if the threshold in question is 3248mV, I'd just edv1 flag, bq does magic to differentiate between brief excursion below it at high load, and slowly approaching it |
| 16:46.24 | Woody14619 | Likely. Btw: astounding job on Mondrana. I've not used it as much recently since I got a nav with the new head unit in the car, but I have been following the TMO thread. |
| 16:46.49 | Macer | hm. no gpg in symbian :-/ does maemo have it in its stock client? |
| 16:47.24 | M4rtinK | Woody14619: thanks ! :) |
| 16:47.51 | kerio | Macer: client of what? |
| 16:48.21 | M4rtinK | I finally got back to working on it after getting the BB10 & Android Python & PySide ports to an usable state |
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| 16:48.46 | Pali | Macer, gpg binary is included in stock maemo5 (because is needed for apt-get) |
| 16:50.22 | M4rtinK | BTW, you can probably soon expect modRana packages fro Android and later BB10 (as that requires making the codebase Python 3.2 compatible - WHILE keeping it also 2.5 compatible) :) |
| 16:50.34 | M4rtinK | *for |
| 16:51.35 | M4rtinK | having at least optified Python 2.6 in Extras would help quite a lot in this regard :) |
| 16:51.55 | M4rtinK | even the Neo FreeRunner has Python 26 or even 2.7 :) |
| 16:52.59 | kerio | M4rtinK: having python 2.7 as the official python would be good |
| 16:53.21 | kerio | at this point i think we can ignore the nokia politics with qt and pyside |
| 16:53.28 | M4rtinK | kerio: even 2.6 would do |
| 16:53.37 | kerio | yeah but let's go for 2.7 :) |
| 16:53.42 | M4rtinK | kerio: the main concern is exception handling |
| 16:53.49 | kerio | i like set comprehensions :) |
| 16:54.19 | M4rtinK | in 2.6 you can do "except Exception as e" |
| 16:54.34 | M4rtinK | which works even in Python 3 |
| 16:54.59 | M4rtinK | up to Python 2.5 only "except Exception, e" is available |
| 16:55.38 | M4rtinK | but sure, there are also other goodies :) |
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| 17:05.47 | Woody14619 | "even the Neo FreeRunner has [newer Python]" Ouch. :P :) |
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| 17:20.32 | freemangordon | Pali: I think it is VAUX1.OUT on GAIA |
| 17:22.00 | freemangordon | Pali, accel is on the first page of schematic, on the right sidee of omap |
| 17:22.05 | freemangordon | *side |
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| 17:22.35 | freemangordon | aiui it is using 2 power supplies, V28 and VIO 18 |
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| 17:27.36 | freemangordon | Pali: yep, seems like VDD is VAUX1 LDO |
| 17:29.12 | freemangordon | Pali: the other supply (VIO 18) is TWL VIO dc-dc Regulator |
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| 17:32.00 | teotwaki | Don't you hate it when you sell all your motorbikes, and your crash the last one? |
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| 18:02.02 | _PanzerSajt | I have installed N12 with vakkov's modifications but it can't access "sdcard" I was playing around with vold.conf but I still can't get it working. I know the default would be MyDocs, but I have problems with that partitiun under maemo as well. (can't save pictures to it) and the currenty android is installed on a micro-sd card |
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| 18:12.20 | kerio | what's n12? |
| 18:14.16 | RiD | nitdroid |
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| 18:21.51 | Raimu | _PanzerSajt, perhaps something for the #nitdroid channel? |
| 18:22.27 | _PanzerSajt | yes I have posted to it also but they are not the fastest |
| 18:24.14 | Raimu | Ah :) |
| 18:25.08 | RiD | one advice, _PanzerSajt: never set your speakers volume too loud. It will blow them |
| 18:25.16 | RiD | on nitdroid* |
| 18:29.06 | _PanzerSajt | ok thanks RiD |
| 18:29.33 | RiD | it all sounds better for a while.... then *pof* |
| 18:32.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: what's the problem with lis302? |
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| 18:44.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL, read the thread, <3 Linus |
| 18:49.49 | sixwheeledbeast | hmmm.. I find threads like this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89616 rather insulting to community efforts. |
| 18:51.39 | thedead1440 | sixwheeledbeast: idiots/jokers are everywhere sadly... |
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| 18:54.53 | sixwheeledbeast | thedead1440: but it's a shame they don't see how insulting it is to the devs, I cba explaining about CSSU and thumb and everything else positive on tmo, again... |
| 18:55.18 | thedead1440 | indeed; such people are not worth wasting time on |
| 18:58.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | sucker |
| 18:59.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd love to explain him how to install winXP using nandtest |
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| 19:00.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | "how to install windows XP on it" --- WAAAAAH!!! >:-( |
| 19:00.25 | thedead1440 | or android 4.2 :D |
| 19:02.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | should we start a bet? about this luser, most likely OCed to 1100 and still it's eating too much battery and speedpatch doesn't run fast enough |
| 19:03.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | (SIC!) |
| 19:04.13 | thedead1440 | i'm ready to bet he used both *patches :D |
| 19:04.38 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm what happened with the whole *patch thing? |
| 19:04.55 | thedead1440 | wasn't MT supposed to start a thread for it |
| 19:05.10 | sixwheeledbeast | :shrugs: |
| 19:05.11 | thedead1440 | seems like he forgot... maybe sixwheeledbeast should send council another email reminding them :D |
| 19:06.08 | sixwheeledbeast | IIRC it was mentioned again at last meeting, but hopefully someone will remember... |
| 19:13.24 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: yeah, Linus and accel :D |
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| 19:14.14 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: Pali was unable to find which power regulator powers the accelerometer |
| 19:14.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | for all I know (too lazy to check it) lis302 has no VDD that's faintly optional or able to suspend |
| 19:15.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's probably on general 3V3 and 1V8_IO |
| 19:16.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | similar to Linus' SSD |
| 19:16.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
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| 19:18.19 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: no, if I read the schematics correctly, VDD is attached to V28 (VAUX1 LDO) |
| 19:18.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 19:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're urging me to do what I tried to avoid |
| 19:19.12 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: would you take a look, I may be wrong :P |
| 19:19.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 19:24.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, correct: VAUX1.OUT, and VIO_18 |
| 19:27.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | V28, just like main camera cover switch, uSDcard hotswap detection sensor, slide open sensor, FM transmitter |
| 19:27.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and some stuff on flex board |
| 19:27.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably prox det, ALS, a.s.o. |
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| 19:28.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | *very* unlikely that system would decide to power down that LDD |
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| 19:29.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure you could push whatever cruft into kernel, to handle every microscopic aspect of a platform on the logical descriptive level |
| 19:30.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | for me as an EE it's clear to see that this is a power rail that must not get shut down ever |
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| 19:32.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | while I boggle to have a closer look at the driver itself, last time I looked at upstream lis302 kernel driver, it took me 3h to stop puking |
| 19:34.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but shutting down things is good! |
| 19:34.41 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, this looks like lis driver support more accelerometers, I see that on my notebook is driver lis3lv02d loaded and in use |
| 19:34.50 | cehteh | wtf ... my n900 doesnt connect to wlan anymore after it died on battery yesterday |
| 19:35.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc they configued the lis302 to do paced reporting at 100Hz, and they spit that shit out via /dev/accel at same rate. This been only way to use that chip with this driver. IRQs not supported |
| 19:36.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then you wonder why upstream kernel is poor at power-management |
| 19:37.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | while devels bitch about regulators - LOL |
| 19:37.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc the lis302 - in power-down mode (a internal command/mode of lis302) - eats ~0.1µW |
| 19:38.48 | kerio | is that a lot? is it very little? |
| 19:38.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | verrry little |
| 19:39.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | a 1/200000 of a dim led |
| 19:40.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | or, less than your wrist watch |
| 19:41.16 | kerio | daaamn, that's *very* little |
| 19:41.19 | kerio | i don't have a wrist watch |
| 19:41.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it needs less than that |
| 19:41.47 | kerio | so powering it down /would/ be good |
| 19:42.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, by sending i2c command "power-down" to lis302 |
| 19:42.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | though even when on, it needs not really any noticeable energy unless it triggers an IRQ or transmits data |
| 19:46.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | seriously, the upstream lis302 driver was cheap uninspired crap written for a hands-free joystick type of HID |
| 19:47.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | the one I seen last time I checked. |
| 19:48.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's been 100% incompatible with maemo's lis302 kernel driver (C) Nokia, and 10000% inferior |
| 19:50.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | while Nokia's driver only lacks support for differential mode aka highpass filter, and general kevents support, the upstream version lacks basically everything except what you'd need for a 3D-mouse or whatever, a nintendo-controller or younameit |
| 19:52.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and qtm resp sensorfw are based on such crap and introduce even one more level of timer paced polling on top |
| 19:56.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | result: while with a slightly augmented/improved nokia lis302 driver you could build an app that makes N900 yell an alarm when you knock the table the N900 sits on, and that app could run for 10 days from one battery charge, the upstream driver with qtm allows you to build a similar app where you'd need to turn N900 face down for 3s before alarm starts, and that app would cut through your battery in one day or less |
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| 20:04.09 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: lets upstream our driver then |
| 20:04.24 | freemangordon | Pali: I hope you have your answer (which VDD) now |
| 20:04.52 | Pali | yes, now needs to understand linux regulator api |
| 20:05.01 | Pali | and add needed vdd |
| 20:06.40 | freemangordon | Pali: you may send an email in the meanwhile, otherwise kernel maintainers war is imminent :D |
| 20:08.27 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: are you sure there are other consumers on the same rail? as there are V28_A, etc. Other 2.8V exist too |
| 20:09.29 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: asking just out of curiocity, just answer yes/no |
| 20:09.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: I listed them above |
| 20:10.04 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ok |
| 20:10.25 | freemangordon | aah, yes I see |
| 20:10.49 | freemangordon | chances are zero this power supply to be ever switched off |
| 20:10.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 20:11.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | just like IO_18 |
| 20:11.43 | freemangordon | Pali: you should already have that VDD. Is there rx51_board.c code on github? |
| 20:11.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | so adding a regulator to lis302 is mere cruft and bloat |
| 20:12.08 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: but will make kernel maintainers happy :D |
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| 20:12.49 | Pali | freemangordon: https://gitorious.org/linux-n900/linux-n900 |
| 20:12.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | as already mentioned, I don't give much about that particular kernel driver upstream anyway |
| 20:13.03 | freemangordon | Pali: ok, will look at it |
| 20:13.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody sane will *ever* use it on N900 |
| 20:13.40 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: don;t bet your ass on that ;) |
| 20:14.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet my ass on it, you always lose on definition of "sane" |
| 20:14.10 | freemangordon | :) |
| 20:15.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: btw all thumbs up for upstreaming "our" lis302 driver, alas we need to either fight a patchwar or need to rename it to sth like lis302-irq-embedded |
| 20:16.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I asked several times if those guys are serious about the crappy lis302 driver upsteam. Their answer: send patches |
| 20:16.49 | freemangordon | see |
| 20:17.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course we could just patch out line 1-99999 of original, every file, and insert all lines of our driver ;-P |
| 20:18.12 | freemangordon | Pali: I guess it is thet https://gitorious.org/linux-n900/linux-n900/blobs/v3.8-rc3-n900/arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-rx51-peripherals.c#line736 one |
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| 20:18.29 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you said FMTX is on the same lane? |
| 20:18.45 | freemangordon | Pali: here you are https://gitorious.org/linux-n900/linux-n900/blobs/v3.8-rc3-n900/arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-rx51-peripherals.c#line739 |
| 20:18.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | err TX or RX, can't recall |
| 20:18.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever I wrote been correct |
| 20:19.00 | freemangordon | we already have it |
| 20:19.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | _supply rx51_vaux1 |
| 20:19.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 20:19.58 | freemangordon | Pali: iiuc you should add lis302 to rx51_vaux1_consumers |
| 20:20.06 | Pali | I see |
| 20:20.09 | Pali | also to rx51_vio_supplies? |
| 20:20.30 | freemangordon | Pali: I guess so |
| 20:21.01 | freemangordon | there should be some VIO18 or something |
| 20:21.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | static struct regulator_init_data rx51_vaux1 = { |
| 20:21.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | is the LDD |
| 20:21.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | .always_on= true, /* due battery cover sensor */ |
| 20:22.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | X-P |
| 20:23.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | static struct regulator_init_data rx51_vio = { |
| 20:23.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | 894 |
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| 20:25.35 | freemangordon | shit, closed the window by mistake :( |
| 20:25.42 | Pali | ah, battery empty... what is i2c addr of lis device? |
| 20:26.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | mmmmfff |
| 20:26.37 | freemangordon | Pali: I think you should add REGULATOR_SUPPLY("vio", "i2caddress") to rx51_vio_supplies and REGULATOR_SUPPLY("vdd", "i2caddress") to rx51_vaux1_consumers |
| 20:26.47 | freemangordon | though I guess you already grok it |
| 20:26.55 | Pali | freemangordon, not |
| 20:27.03 | Pali | static const char reg_vdd[] = "Vdd"; |
| 20:27.04 | Pali | static const char reg_vdd_io[] = "Vdd_IO"; |
| 20:27.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Bus_I2c |
| 20:27.10 | Pali | this is in lis driver ^^^ |
| 20:27.38 | freemangordon | Pali: you are missing the board code |
| 20:27.45 | freemangordon | change lis driver to: |
| 20:28.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | bus3 0x1D |
| 20:28.22 | freemangordon | static const char reg_vdd[] = "vdd"; |
| 20:28.22 | freemangordon | static const char reg_vdd_io[] = "vio"; |
| 20:28.40 | Pali | freemangordon, not possible |
| 20:28.46 | freemangordon | Pali: well, ok, you can leave as it is I guess |
| 20:28.48 | Pali | it is in lis driver |
| 20:29.04 | Pali | rather I will add names from lis driver to board code |
| 20:29.09 | freemangordon | sure |
| 20:29.29 | freemangordon | REGULATOR_SUPPLY("Vdd_IO", "i2caddress") to rx51_vio_supplies and |
| 20:29.29 | freemangordon | REGULATOR_SUPPLY("Vdd", "i2caddress") to rx51_vaux1_consumers |
| 20:29.36 | freemangordon | agree? |
| 20:29.43 | Pali | ok |
| 20:29.47 | freemangordon | :) |
| 20:30.23 | freemangordon | Pali: and... ask next time :P |
| 20:30.36 | Pali | :D |
| 20:30.51 | Pali | now we need to test if that patch working |
| 20:31.34 | freemangordon | well, I can't do it here, will leave it to you ;) |
| 20:31.59 | Pali | I cannot do it too, battery is empty (now started charging)... |
| 20:35.02 | Pali | NIN101, where I can send patches for rescueOS? |
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| 20:40.29 | NIN101 | https://github.com/NIN101/N900_RescueOS if you can bothered, or nin101 at lavabit dot com |
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| 20:57.33 | Pali | freemangordon, we are slow |
| 20:57.50 | Pali | now same patch appeared on mailinglist |
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| 20:59.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: before you upstream "our" driver, please fix negligences like http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/i2c/chips/lis302dl.c#164 |
| 21:00.43 | Pali | http://linux-kernel.2935.n7.nabble.com/Driver-lis3lv02d-i2c-not-working-on-Nokia-RX-51-td602214.html#a623699 |
| 21:02.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: oooh, forget my rant about kevents missing: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/i2c/chips/lis302dl.c#223 |
| 21:03.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | just musing why it's missing there: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/i2c/chips/lis302dl.c#237 |
| 21:09.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: anyway, please ping me about missing sysnodes before upstreaming the lis302dl maemo driver |
| 21:09.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | we need ~2 more than currently are there |
| 21:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | one of them is filter |
| 21:09.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and another one is IRQ config |
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| 21:21.00 | freemangordon | Pali: ooh, *WE* are slow. Ok, if you say so :P |
| 21:21.25 | kerio | 1) share the blame |
| 21:21.28 | kerio | 2) shift the blame |
| 21:21.32 | kerio | 3) don't take the blame |
| 21:21.55 | Pali | or is aaro here on IRC? |
| 21:21.59 | freemangordon | kerio: so... 2 more steps to go> |
| 21:22.01 | Pali | ~seen aaro |
| 21:22.05 | infobot | Pali: i haven't seen 'aaro' |
| 21:22.47 | freemangordon | infobot: and what do you do here then? |
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| 21:23.57 | freemangordon | Pali: it even has i2c address :) |
| 21:24.39 | Pali | I copied i2c address from DocScrutinizer05 post and my patch is same as aaro's patch |
| 21:24.58 | kerio | is there some palinglish in it? |
| 21:25.03 | freemangordon | Pali: btw someday when we both have time and will, i want you to teach me how to send patches to the kernel ML |
| 21:25.04 | kerio | that's usually identifiable |
| 21:25.19 | freemangordon | :rofl: |
| 21:26.04 | kerio | no, really, it's a specific amount of mistake, enough to be noticed but not enough to be worth correcting because it's still perfectly understandable |
| 21:26.55 | Pali | freemangordon, it is simple, just generate patch and paste it to email and this is important: do not cripple that patch in email (like gmail web interface) |
| 21:27.43 | freemangordon | Pali: ok. not now |
| 21:27.45 | freemangordon | :) |
| 21:28.09 | Pali | because gmail crippling patches, there is tool "git send-email" which send patch in email, nothing more... |
| 21:28.55 | Pali | and you can use "git format-patch <commits>" which generate emails with patches in mbox format |
| 21:28.58 | Pali | thats all |
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| 21:33.41 | kerio | do they accept emails from everyone? |
| 21:33.55 | kerio | and will linus yell at you if your patch sucks? |
| 21:47.21 | Pali | kerio, lkml is open list, everybody can send here any patch, but if patch is in bad format (like crippled by gmail) all devs will tell you what they think about you... |
| 21:47.50 | freemangordon | Pali: is it open? |
| 21:47.59 | Pali | kerio, you are sending patch to maintainer of your patched driver, not directly to linus |
| 21:48.19 | Pali | freemangordon, yes lkml is open list, no subscribe is needed |
| 21:48.24 | freemangordon | Pali: and how am I supposet to know who is "my" maintainer? |
| 21:48.31 | freemangordon | *supposed |
| 21:48.45 | Pali | read it in MAINTAINER file in root dir |
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| 21:48.53 | freemangordon | ok |
| 21:48.57 | freemangordon | thanks :) |
| 21:49.08 | Pali | or run script ./scripts/get_maintainer.pl <your_patch> |
| 21:49.22 | Pali | it will print emails where you should send your patch :-) |
| 21:49.31 | freemangordon | see? toldya you should teach me :P |
| 21:50.55 | Pali | and you can use script ./scripts/checkpatch.pl <your_patch> which will write errors |
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| 21:54.25 | Pali | NIN101, patches sent to email |
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