| 00:01.20 | Estel_ | sixwheeledbeast, :) |
| 00:01.25 | Estel_ | would be tasty |
| 00:01.39 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm |
| 00:01.52 | sixwheeledbeast | you make me hungry |
| 00:02.06 | Estel_ | I'm just after eating big pizza, to big in fact |
| 00:09.05 | sixwheeledbeast | thinks about how suitable nutella could be as a thermal paste solution. |
| 00:09.26 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm nutella and chips |
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| 00:23.07 | Estel_ | haha :) |
| 00:24.07 | Estel_ | is still preparing device for his son - incredible, how much work vanilla N900 require, to bring it into full glory |
| 00:28.04 | robbiethe1st | So configure it, make a backup, and post the backup online for others! |
| 00:30.27 | Estel_ | :) would be good ideap although I'm not sure if thumb2 and devel bits are suitable for other kids |
| 00:31.17 | Estel_ | he just got special grip for that kind of things, and isn't scarred nor disappointed when something segaults with terminal window, and you need to save output for daddy's later review ;) |
| 00:31.58 | Estel_ | as for 4 years old it's absolutely nice |
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| 00:54.27 | Estel_ | question: is starhash enabler package still required, or this functionality was implemented at other level (cssu, for example) |
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| 01:27.06 | RST38h | ...discovered on 11/19/1989, after reports of "talking cabbages" were picked up by Foundation operatives investigating anomalous phenomenon in rural Bulgaria. |
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| 01:50.21 | Estel_ | what the hell scp "ambigious target" means |
| 01:50.33 | Estel_ | why I can't scp folder with -r like normally in linux?! |
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| 02:47.40 | Estel_ | nvm |
| 02:47.55 | Estel_ | it seems to have problems with escape characters on remote device |
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| 09:55.19 | divVerent | YAY, SDK runs... now let's see how hard it is to actually build something |
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| 09:56.47 | divVerent | I didn't see much info about how to actually USE it yet, but it SEEMS like "scratchbox apt-get update" is the first thing to do, then get dependencies and eventually scratchbox dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot? |
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| 10:08.07 | divVerent | haha, THAT is evil... I want to build something depending on libfuse, but that's not available for DIABLO_X86 |
| 10:10.41 | divVerent | why DIABLO_ btw and not FREMANTLE_? |
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| 10:12.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe because you use obsolete maemo4 SDK? |
| 10:13.06 | divVerent | it may be indeed maemo4, but it's the only one for which there is a VM image |
| 10:13.25 | divVerent | but it has "Maemo 5 links.html" on the desktop |
| 10:13.40 | divVerent | Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z is the download name |
| 10:18.12 | divVerent | UGH, NOW I see why encfs is not packaged yet |
| 10:18.15 | divVerent | it relies on Boost stuff... |
| 10:19.12 | divVerent | also, a librlog, which doesn't sound like a problem though |
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| 10:20.24 | divVerent | haha, this lib requires texlive :P |
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| 10:33.55 | divVerent | extras-devel "etiquette" question |
| 10:34.02 | divVerent | when I took a Debian package, entirely unmodified, just recompiled |
| 10:34.25 | divVerent | do I then set myself as maintainer in debian/control or not? |
| 10:50.29 | divVerent | encfs on /tmp/c type fuse.encfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,default_permissions,user=user) |
| 10:50.37 | divVerent | ALMOST works... only issue: cannot UNmount it... |
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| 10:52.06 | jacekowski | divVerent: kill the process handling the fs |
| 10:52.13 | divVerent | I know |
| 10:52.17 | divVerent | want it to be clean though |
| 10:52.47 | divVerent | i.e. if there is no real reason why fusermount -u can't work, I want it to work |
| 10:57.04 | divVerent | it DOES work when /etc/mtab is changed to be a symlink to /proc/self/mounts |
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| 11:37.49 | divVerent | jacekowski: ok, tracked it down a bit more... the bug is in the fuse packages for Maemo, not in encfs, and I don't have a workaround other than getting rid of /etc/mtab and replacing it by a symlink |
| 11:38.05 | divVerent | newer versions of FUSE BTW use /proc/self/mounts as path instead of /etc/mtab, thus no longer have the issue |
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| 11:38.24 | divVerent | but WHY reading /etc/mtab fails, which HAS the entry, is beyond me... strace doesn't even show an attempt to read from there |
| 11:38.29 | divVerent | the file is just lstat'd and that's it |
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| 11:39.07 | divVerent | FUSE uses setmntent("/etc/mtab", "r") then getmntent()... which SHOULD normally cause reads I see in strace, but it does not |
| 11:39.30 | divVerent | (so the libc could be at fault too) |
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| 11:42.28 | divVerent | Estel_: just reading in man encfs... --ondemand --idle --extpass sounds interesting for Maemo use |
| 11:42.41 | divVerent | i.e. auto unmount when idle, auto ask passphrase on next use attempt |
| 11:42.54 | divVerent | know a usable extpass program on Maemo? |
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| 12:58.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lart XEN-grid *old* *.m.o infra |
| 12:58.27 | infobot | installs a bad bootloader on XEN-grid *old* *.m.o infra and turns XEN-grid *old* *.m.o infra into a brick |
| 12:58.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: you already *did* that, fool! |
| 13:01.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | how "funny" is THAT? *We* announce we need to set old infra into r/o mode or even take it down temporarily, to sync to *new*. 6h before we want to start with it, *old* goes down fubar :-( |
| 13:02.57 | thedead1440 | haha taking your anger out on infobot? :p |
| 13:03.04 | thedead1440 | No reaction from Nemein? |
| 13:05.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: they rebooted www 4h ago. Dead again. db dead now too |
| 13:05.27 | thedead1440 | wiki too is strange; it is bloody slow on all pages except that migration page |
| 13:06.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | migration page been bloody slow for me too |
| 13:06.23 | thedead1440 | and now migration page slow here too |
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| 13:06.39 | thedead1440 | i just logged into it like 2mins ago it was fast now the opposite |
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| 13:16.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | now everything works just fine for me |
| 13:16.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | W*T*F |
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| 13:16.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | db: top - 13:15:01 up 46 days, 19:12, 1 user, load average: 86.89, 72.87, 59.83 |
| 13:22.25 | ShadowJK | that's pretty extreme |
| 13:22.27 | ShadowJK | any clue why? |
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| 14:05.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | lemme copy what I just wrote to nemein |
| 14:05.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suspect somebody mirroring www.maemo.org which for some pages creates massive db queries like "SELECT midgard_activity.guid, midgard_activity.sitegroup, midgard_activity.metadata_creator..." - this in turn hogs db and thus slow db slows down www and www starts more and more concurrent processes until OOM wrecks up everything incl sshd on www |
| 14:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: we had loads of >200 on db |
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| 14:24.20 | teotwaki | Maemo.org seems to follow the Outage Driven Infrastructure ;) |
| 14:24.32 | teotwaki | A bit like my company. |
| 14:25.49 | kerio | haha |
| 14:26.12 | kerio | netflix does too, but they also make outages for themselves |
| 14:26.43 | kerio | they have a Chaos Monkey that randomly fucks up single servers |
| 14:27.02 | kerio | and a Chaos Gorilla to randomly simulate the takedown of whole datacenters |
| 14:27.25 | thedead1440 | lol |
| 14:27.50 | kerio | apparently, they are prepared for such contingencies |
| 14:29.10 | thedead1440 | you mean they are prepared for their Chaos Monkey and Chaos Gorilla? |
| 14:29.38 | kerio | or any real outages that happen |
| 14:31.15 | kerio | hopefully :) |
| 14:37.52 | ShadowJK | netflix runs on aws doesn't it.. |
| 14:38.28 | ShadowJK | it'd be better if server was throwing 503s instead of driving itself to unsustainable loadavg :/ |
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| 15:03.55 | divVerent | is there a way to enter scripts to be started in the X session? |
| 15:04.04 | divVerent | like, GUI applications to start immediately |
| 15:04.18 | divVerent | or is upstart and then messing with $DISPLAY, user ID, etc. the only way? |
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| 15:19.49 | thedead1440 | qwazix: that is the best reply anyone could give :) |
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| 15:46.45 | kerio | divVerent: .desktop files, maybe |
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| 15:56.50 | HonooPC | "I wonder why is there almost no communication between http://Maemo.org and XDA-Developers?" |
| 15:57.03 | HonooPC | So someone on my contacts list tweeted. |
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| 16:17.10 | divVerent | Estel_: now trying with .mozilla, .ssh and .modest in EncFS (took the whole directories though)... let's see if there will be any problems |
| 16:19.27 | divVerent | ok, first attempt, with the directories mounted immediately when the prompt appeared: works |
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| 16:19.52 | divVerent | now second attempt, with intentionally aborting the password prompt, opening the apps, THEN starting up the file systems again, and opening them again |
| 16:20.45 | divVerent | email still sees the accounts? that's bad. After some time, however, email program crashed. |
| 16:20.57 | divVerent | still, apparently SOME account data is outside ~/.modest |
| 16:21.19 | divVerent | MicroB still has its bookmarks... WTF |
| 16:23.41 | divVerent | ah, ~/.bookmarks also has to go in then |
| 16:24.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1328586#post1328586 |
| 16:24.02 | divVerent | ./.config/hildon-desktop/notifications.db |
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| 16:24.41 | divVerent | is the hard resetting link stuff normal? |
| 16:26.40 | divVerent | AH, the email accounts are ONLY visible because of PVR files that store the previous content |
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| 16:32.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | divVerent: you'll most likely want to mount over some non-empty existing firs like ~/.config etc |
| 16:32.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/firs/dirs/ |
| 16:33.57 | divVerent | DocScrutinizer05: I want to avoid mounting over :P |
| 16:34.12 | divVerent | and instead I want access before authentication to fail |
| 16:34.21 | divVerent | achieved by Estel_'s idea to have dead symlinks until authentication |
| 16:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | you will run into pleathora of trouble doing not |
| 16:34.31 | divVerent | really? |
| 16:34.35 | divVerent | for email this did the very right thing |
| 16:34.39 | divVerent | and I will only use a few dirs for it |
| 16:34.52 | divVerent | for email, the only problem is that it complains every sync interval that it crashed |
| 16:35.04 | divVerent | and that the email program cannot be opened until mounted |
| 16:35.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | processes will not accept stale symlinks as replacement for the real files, when you start up without proper crypt-volume mounted |
| 16:35.23 | divVerent | exactly that's the intention |
| 16:35.28 | divVerent | I want any access to FAIL, the process to exit |
| 16:35.39 | divVerent | (usually, that is) |
| 16:35.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | it usually will not do that |
| 16:35.53 | divVerent | usually means? |
| 16:35.56 | divVerent | I only need it for email |
| 16:36.15 | divVerent | the only folders I am putting in are .bookmarks .mozilla .modest .ssh |
| 16:36.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | instead it will create new files, or segfault on failing to do so, or show even more strange behaviour, possibly even bootloops |
| 16:36.31 | divVerent | no, it will NOT create new files |
| 16:36.35 | divVerent | that is the idea of the dead symlink |
| 16:36.45 | divVerent | because these are in the way of typical routines to auto create new directories |
| 16:37.07 | divVerent | what I want to avoid is that programs create a new folder and work in that before mount |
| 16:37.22 | divVerent | so when I then DO mount, programs continue to use the already opened files from the plain text location |
| 16:37.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | you seen there been TWO ", or..." clauses in my post? |
| 16:37.33 | divVerent | yes |
| 16:37.39 | divVerent | which is why I am trying out how the programs behave |
| 16:37.44 | divVerent | if they segfault I don't care ;) |
| 16:37.51 | divVerent | as long as starting them again will properly restore them |
| 16:38.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | it won't |
| 16:38.07 | divVerent | it depends on the program, of course |
| 16:38.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | all those processes are started by dsme |
| 16:38.29 | divVerent | then I may need hacks to restart these once mount |
| 16:38.38 | divVerent | but I do NOT want them to e.g. receive email before mount |
| 16:38.51 | divVerent | email however DOES behave the right way |
| 16:39.02 | divVerent | browser does "not really", it opens with empty bookmarks and password store (that is the good part) |
| 16:39.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, exactly |
| 16:39.38 | divVerent | browser is one of these I will need to restart |
| 16:39.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | since browserd gets started early in boot, by dsme and restarts like 10 times when segfaulting or killed, then reboots device |
| 16:39.52 | divVerent | exactly |
| 16:40.09 | divVerent | well, it doesn't make the browser crash, just run with empty bookmarks and data |
| 16:40.13 | divVerent | email does the VERY right thing |
| 16:40.18 | divVerent | in the end it seems to all depend on the program |
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| 16:41.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't argue single "works" cases now, no time for that. Juts telling you there are enough cases where it won't work as suggested by you |
| 16:41.03 | divVerent | I only want to secure whatever contains passwords or other remote system authorization, which means browser, email, and SSH |
| 16:41.09 | divVerent | right |
| 16:41.19 | divVerent | but there is nothing that always works |
| 16:41.29 | divVerent | e.g. browser also will NOT be fixed by simply mounting over dummy data |
| 16:41.33 | divVerent | it will STILL need restarting |
| 16:41.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, even communication fails more often than not |
| 16:41.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | cya |
| 16:42.24 | divVerent | and e.g. I am not encrypting ~/.config, for example |
| 16:42.32 | divVerent | cu |
| 16:42.46 | divVerent | for .config it would be indeed QUITE difficult to do right |
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| 16:46.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw when modest starts with empty config where no accounts and passwords are stored, it hardly will receive mail before you finished mounting your cryted stuff. So a non-issue |
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| 16:47.20 | divVerent | yes, but it may still keep FDs open |
| 16:47.32 | divVerent | basically, what I want to avoid is a hack-o-matic like here: |
| 16:47.34 | divVerent | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70539 |
| 16:47.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather with my suggestion you device will startup clean and normal like an ordinary maemo5, with no defunct stuff, just with default virgin stuff. And nobody will suspect anything. And you're free to switch to crypt-privacy mode any time |
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| 16:48.40 | divVerent | right |
| 16:48.58 | divVerent | I would LIKE that... except that there is no clean way to tell all the programs to reread their data |
| 16:49.04 | divVerent | but as I see, for browser this cannot be avoided anyway |
| 16:49.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | just restart all processes that have file handles open to the virgin dirs of pre-cryptmount time |
| 16:49.42 | divVerent | hm... nice idea, so using empty dirs, overmounting and fuser :P |
| 16:49.54 | divVerent | but, next thing, what if a program read data from there then cached it in memory |
| 16:50.10 | divVerent | which the bookmarks handling appears to do |
| 16:50.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | it will get killed |
| 16:50.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | just restart all processes that have file handles open to the virgin dirs of pre-cryptmount time |
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| 16:52.30 | divVerent | ok, "killall browser" brings back the bookmarks after mount |
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| 16:52.33 | divVerent | wonder what browserd keeps open |
| 16:52.58 | divVerent | ah, password store, need to restart that too then |
| 16:53.25 | divVerent | now the fun part would be restarting the services properly via upstart :P |
| 16:53.39 | divVerent | is there a way to find upstart service from process ID? |
| 16:53.44 | divVerent | IIRC systemd has such a feature |
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| 16:55.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | dsme |
| 16:56.57 | kerio | divVerent: really, your encryption stuff should happen *before* the system boots |
| 16:57.42 | divVerent | yes, ideally |
| 16:57.48 | divVerent | that was my first attempt :P |
| 16:58.00 | divVerent | the catch THERE is that I then basically have to encrypt /home whole or not at all |
| 16:58.13 | divVerent | and I don't want that (/opt...) |
| 16:58.35 | divVerent | the only clean way to get keyboard input is from preinit, or even before |
| 16:58.48 | divVerent | from an upstart job, it's already not cleanly possible any more |
| 16:59.12 | divVerent | so the best way to integrate THAT would be changing the init= parameter to a script that first mounts the encrypted partition, then exec /sbin/preinit |
| 16:59.45 | divVerent | the encfs way on the other hand allows being selective in what you encrypt and what not |
| 17:00.23 | divVerent | but as encfs has to be run AFTER mount of /home, it basically only really can be run once X is up |
| 17:00.35 | divVerent | (again, so it can get keyboard input) |
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| 17:01.52 | divVerent | I also found out that if preinit stage already mounted /home, rcS-late will silently skip it |
| 17:02.04 | divVerent | so this way would need zero changes in existing scripts |
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| 17:17.23 | divVerent | DocScrutinizer05: one alternate way BTW may be an upstart scriopt that launches X11 before the actual startup... |
| 17:17.26 | divVerent | and that runs early enough |
| 17:17.31 | divVerent | are there any chances this would work well? |
| 17:17.47 | divVerent | (or, that at least somehow stops the blinking dots then abuses text2screen) |
| 17:18.02 | divVerent | (which however would not solve the keyboard input issue...) |
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| 17:51.24 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: I think this was the page. http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team Probably needs a fair update. |
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| 20:30.27 | Estel_ | hey, what is the state of autobuilder? |
| 20:31.08 | Estel_ | btw, I've tried to find something at wiki last night, it wasn't work, noticed message advertising downtime on tmo, so gave up reporting |
| 20:31.26 | Estel_ | divVerent, qhy you constantly like to make your life harder?:P |
| 20:32.21 | Estel_ | either do as DocScrutinizer05 suggested with vanilla folders and overmounting, or do like me with dead symlinks (which btw, works for most .config things too). |
| 20:32.58 | Estel_ | all this text2screen before actual upstart is PITA, and may get depreciated with some cssu update or whatsnot |
| 20:33.16 | kerio | dead symlinks is probably even cleaner |
| 20:33.23 | Estel_ | nods |
| 20:33.27 | kerio | because things will get error messages |
| 20:33.34 | kerio | and you *really* can't open a dead link, afaik |
| 20:34.07 | Estel_ | thats why I use it, in practice,. But if someone want plausible deniability more, vanilla overmount files are the way to go |
| 20:34.31 | Estel_ | I just want to have my things secure, not hide fact that I'm using truecrypt, so I don't care here |
| 20:35.21 | Estel_ | anyway, vanilla overmounted files require restarting things that use them (for practice, it doesn't matter if via upstart or restart or killall ;) ) |
| 20:36.01 | Estel_ | while symlinks just need mounting in timeframe of ~2 minutes since boot finishes |
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| 20:36.57 | Estel_ | or, restart of things like with vanilla overmounted folders |
| 20:37.09 | Estel_ | no much philosophy here, either way |
| 20:37.09 | sardini | hello |
| 20:37.13 | Estel_ | hi there |
| 20:38.21 | sixwheeledbeast | Estel_: I was talking to Doc about both subjects last night |
| 20:38.32 | sixwheeledbeast | (wiki and builder) |
| 20:38.55 | Estel_ | oh, nice. My comment about wiki was just because he was sad nobody reported |
| 20:39.02 | Estel_ | annoucement on tmo was misleading |
| 20:39.11 | Estel_ | so what about builder? |
| 20:39.26 | Estel_ | last time jacekowski was almost done with repairing it |
| 20:39.53 | kerio | Estel_: even better plausible deniability would be to have a completely vanilla system and then have the whole maemo on a truecrypted usd that can be booted with a modified uboot by holding a certain key combination and inserting a password |
| 20:40.10 | Estel_ | I noticed bug in bnf sudoers (not to mention that new version for Pali's modules was released a month ago), so I'm interested in fixing it in repos ;) |
| 20:40.11 | kerio | but at that point, it starts to get silly |
| 20:40.21 | sixwheeledbeast | wiki was broken last night "DB Error" on new w.m.o, old w.m.o timing out |
| 20:40.23 | Estel_ | kerio, yep |
| 20:40.29 | Estel_ | unless you live in iran |
| 20:40.37 | Estel_ | or ~ country |
| 20:41.21 | Estel_ | sixwheeledbeast, when I tried it it worked, although slowly as global heating |
| 20:41.48 | Estel_ | btw of course no on from nemein replied at all to report about wiki contributions being kinda broken |
| 20:42.07 | kerio | is nemein paid by nokia at this point? do we know? |
| 20:42.29 | Estel_ | no idea, but they were paid to make migration right |
| 20:42.34 | sixwheeledbeast | builder:- seemingly works for dput/scp AFAIK, but I uploaded a package with extras assistant and it's still broken probably due to the python update >6 months ago |
| 20:42.42 | Estel_ | and wiki contribs got screwed during migration |
| 20:42.57 | Estel_ | sixwheeledbeast, I see, scp seems like enough |
| 20:43.03 | Estel_ | but, what I need scp into? |
| 20:43.11 | Estel_ | old adress won't work, probably? |
| 20:43.43 | ShadowJK | does the contract with them include any other managed hosting other than the work done to migrate it from nokia? |
| 20:43.46 | sixwheeledbeast | I gave up trying with scp, as did Marxian and MartinK IIRC |
| 20:44.25 | Estel_ | I wonder when CSSU get defucked in repos, as I would like to switch my catalogs to repos from mirrors |
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| 20:44.35 | Estel_ | and not feeling fancy to keep half here and half there :P |
| 20:44.58 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, I may talk bullshit, but afaik no hosting after migration from them per contract |
| 20:45.26 | Estel_ | but, still, migration was screwed (some databases or parts of it were not migrated, thus no link between contributions and contributors - in wiki) |
| 20:45.30 | sixwheeledbeast | I am on /etc/hosts tweak at the moment, I guess it's the same for uploading via scp |
| 20:45.41 | Estel_ | i see |
| 20:45.52 | Estel_ | so rest of path remained the same, just ip changed. OK |
| 20:45.59 | Estel_ | will bang autobuilder with scp, later |
| 20:46.11 | Estel_ | of course mail reports doesnt work, yes? |
| 20:46.18 | Estel_ | whatever |
| 20:46.22 | Estel_ | sorry, echo |
| 20:46.27 | Estel_ | I meant are not working |
| 20:46.36 | sixwheeledbeast | I got nutting and nutting got built AFAIK |
| 20:48.07 | Estel_ | ough |
| 20:48.19 | Estel_ | even via scp nuttinella got build? |
| 20:48.36 | sixwheeledbeast | via web iface tho, no scp |
| 20:48.42 | sixwheeledbeast | s/no/not/ |
| 20:49.17 | sixwheeledbeast | I believe a couple of pkgs have been built via scp |
| 20:50.23 | sixwheeledbeast | Estel_: 213.128.137.21 wiki.maemo.org bugs.maemo.org |
| 20:50.23 | sixwheeledbeast | 213.128.137.20 www.maemo.org static.maemo.org maemo.org planet.maemo.org downloads.maemo.org |
| 20:50.46 | warfare | I'm shutting down talk for syncing. |
| 20:50.54 | Estel_ | nods |
| 20:53.31 | sixwheeledbeast | Estel_ no nutella at all :p |
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| 22:36.42 | sixwheeledbeast | There are lumps (pages) of the wiki missing, do we know about it? |
| 22:41.18 | SpeedEvil | do they show up in history |
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| 22:55.23 | sixwheeledbeast | http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:RecentChanges some of the pages here are broken/blank like the infra one for example |
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| 23:02.19 | jacekowski | Estel_: autobuilder is working |
| 23:02.22 | jacekowski | Estel_: that's the state of it |
| 23:03.07 | freemangordon | jacekowski: did you try to push KP through it? |
| 23:04.26 | jacekowski | KP? |
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| 23:04.49 | freemangordon | kernel-power, it is famous in breaking autobuilder |
| 23:05.10 | jacekowski | nope |
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| 23:15.35 | jacekowski | well, trying it now |
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