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| 01:30.22 | raid|2 | ~mirrors |
| 01:30.22 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error |
| 01:30.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 01:30.28 | infobot | :), DocScrutinizer51 |
| 01:30.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | wtf. |
| 01:31.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | but yeah |
| 01:31.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | mirrors are still working while rmo is down |
| 01:32.42 | raid|2 | That sucks |
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| 01:51.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | W*T*F is wrong with my xchat??? it doesn't re-register when internet connectivity is "roaming" |
| 01:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems that's now shit since update of my bouncer to ZNC1.x |
| 01:52.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | new* |
| 01:53.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's terribly useless |
| 01:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | leaving home (and wifi range), everything happily switches to GPRS/UMTS just IRC stays offline until I force 'reconnect' |
| 01:54.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | coming home - all the same just inverse direction |
| 01:55.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is wrong with this shit? |
| 01:57.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | the whole fremantle xchat seems fux0red, can't highlight words/lines anymore, despite push&drag to highlight stuff now the context menu pops up after 0.5s |
| 01:58.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope I don't have to blame CSSU for that |
| 01:59.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | but, no matter whom to blame, that's utterly useless and fsckdup |
| 01:59.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | incredible |
| 02:00.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm absolutely sure I didn't update xchat since years, and also it changed during last 4 months |
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| 02:01.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably last 4 weeks |
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| 02:21.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | wow, at least it re-registered when I left my flat the 2nd time |
| 02:21.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | picked up on what I wrote when at home |
| 02:22.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | sth fux0red with that thing |
| 02:25.52 | Macer | well |
| 02:25.57 | Macer | this tmobile thing finally kicked in :) |
| 02:26.01 | Macer | prepaid4lyfe!! |
| 02:26.17 | Macer | never again ... will i ever have an actual plan |
| 02:26.31 | Macer | it makes no sense how they sell the prepaid so cheaply |
| 02:26.35 | Macer | and the plans are so expensive |
| 02:26.47 | Macer | or why they don't have cheaper plans that have the types of balances the prepaid stuff has |
| 02:26.57 | Macer | like the $30 100min/5GB/UNLtxt |
| 02:27.02 | Macer | $34 after taxes |
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| 02:50.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | last "plan" I had was in 1990some |
| 02:51.25 | Macer | is there a telepathy for symbian? :) |
| 02:51.37 | Macer | the symbian default txting app sucks :( |
| 02:51.39 | Macer | i miss telepathy |
| 02:52.11 | Macer | it does some awkward screen refresh thing that is driving me nuts and won't send on enter |
| 02:52.16 | Macer | unles i'm using the kb |
| 02:52.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | 30EUR buys me 50EUR worth of "minutes". 10EUR/months for 1GB of traffic (which I never exceed), the rest for outbound minutes (.29/min) and SMS(.29/sms) |
| 02:52.20 | Macer | the swype keyboard won't do it |
| 02:52.36 | Macer | yeah after this i'm NEVER getting a plan |
| 02:52.40 | Macer | i'll just prepay hunt lol |
| 02:52.50 | Macer | so long as tmobile keeps the plan the way it is then i'm golden |
| 02:53.06 | Macer | but i'm sure after more masses get hip to just paying the extra $100 for a phone that will be worth $50 in a year... |
| 02:53.15 | Macer | instead of renting it |
| 02:53.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: you're aware you're on #maemo here? |
| 02:53.40 | Macer | oh |
| 02:53.43 | Macer | damnit :-/ |
| 02:53.45 | Macer | hides |
| 02:54.26 | Macer | well.. telepathy is maemo/meego ish |
| 02:54.32 | Macer | maybe you guys would know :) |
| 02:55.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders what to report on tmo migration thread to entertain the masses |
| 02:56.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe that we managed to track down a bug in XEN despite HiFo madness distracting us from our primary taks? |
| 02:56.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | task even |
| 02:56.44 | Macer | heh |
| 02:57.02 | Macer | just post that you will no longer be requiring the aid of the hifo and will run it all as an independent dictatorship :) |
| 02:57.05 | Macer | that should get them stirring |
| 02:57.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2013-03/msg00404.html |
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| 02:59.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | kudos to jacekowski |
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| 03:01.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | (no longer be requiring...) see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89378 |
| 03:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | tim suggested just that |
| 03:02.51 | Macer | well... how about that? |
| 03:04.42 | Macer | truth be told there really isn't much required to run a nfp :) you file a different type of tax sheet at the end of the year |
| 03:05.37 | Macer | As a nonprofit entity that must operate according to bylaws and legal formalities (as well it should in order to comply with certain governing laws), the processes have been less than efficient. |
| 03:05.42 | Macer | which is why i don't understand that part |
| 03:06.36 | Macer | Furthermore, I feel that the Maemo Community Council should be given more responsibility in general operations of the maemo.org ecosystem. |
| 03:06.41 | Macer | uhm.....? |
| 03:07.56 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: you should ask them to give up their n950s! |
| 03:07.58 | Macer | lol |
| 03:09.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 03:09.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wish everybody of BoD had already touched a N900 in his life |
| 03:09.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | n950. wtf?! |
| 03:10.52 | Macer | heh |
| 03:10.57 | Macer | i want an n950 :( |
| 03:11.01 | Macer | and a working n900 :( |
| 03:11.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, please contribute on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89387, we (council) need feedback from you (community) *urgently* |
| 03:11.10 | Macer | i'm scared to buy one |
| 03:12.08 | Macer | omg |
| 03:12.15 | Macer | my login.. i actually remembered it haha |
| 03:13.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] in about 3 weeks our next council term elections will start. WE NEED YOU to paricipate, run for a seat in council, or at VERY LEAST **vote**! |
| 03:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're going to fix karma til then, and prerequisites for voting and for running for a seat in council will be pretty much identical to what they always been |
| 03:17.32 | Macer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1327156&postcount=8 |
| 03:17.36 | Macer | there you go :) |
| 03:17.41 | Macer | lol |
| 03:18.20 | Macer | brutal honesty is always the best kind |
| 03:19.10 | Macer | speaking of which |
| 03:19.34 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: apparently debian is able to find its way onto newer devices using an android bootloader and the android kernel |
| 03:20.04 | Macer | my point being.. maybe maemo would be a good choice to see about getting onto other devices :) is that even possible? because without production of n900s maemo is just a white dwarf cooling down |
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| 03:22.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | this white dwarf will take ages to cool down, as usual with those. and it been borne by a supernova that - by blasing away its outer hulls - created a hockwave that will give birth to new more flourishing systems in the neigbourhood |
| 03:23.20 | Macer | yeah but you need ample material to do so :-P and a white dwarf is not necessarily from supernovae. supernovae usually product neutron stars or black holes because of their mass |
| 03:23.32 | Macer | a white dwarf is usually a smaller yellow star |
| 03:23.44 | Macer | that runs out of material and dies after turning into a red giant |
| 03:24.08 | Macer | and shedding what little it had left off itself because of its loss of mass/gravity and can no longer hold onto itself |
| 03:24.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | the red giant is Harmattan, no doubt ;-P |
| 03:24.23 | Macer | then turns into a little white ball which eventually cools down |
| 03:24.51 | Macer | unless another star comes along that it can feed off of and blow up :) |
| 03:24.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ate all planets it ever had, then collapsing |
| 03:25.05 | Macer | heh |
| 03:25.17 | Macer | either way. with the advent of debian being able to be placed on newer model phones |
| 03:25.28 | Macer | maybe the community may want to look at that as a way to get maemo on them |
| 03:25.51 | Macer | instead of eventually running out of fuel (n900s) |
| 03:25.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | we always had that option. Though without any decent hw-support, and I don't see that changing |
| 03:26.25 | Macer | but the hw support should be that difficult if all the hardware is working and the apis are in place.. all of which i am sure the debian guys wouldn't mind helping with |
| 03:26.38 | Macer | maybe even a debian/maemo merger might be a good idea |
| 03:26.39 | jpinx | logged into the thread, but has nfc about the issues/people |
| 03:26.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | is there any decent new device that has hw-kbd and non-FSCKNG-c-ts? |
| 03:26.58 | Macer | that's a fair point :-/ heh |
| 03:27.09 | Macer | but n810 didn't have a qwerty either ;) |
| 03:27.13 | Macer | and maemo wasn't too bad on that |
| 03:27.28 | Macer | and there is also stuff like the note |
| 03:27.31 | jpinx | the n900 hardware will take some beating (apart from the usb port problem |
| 03:27.35 | Macer | which has a large enough screen to make a vkb viable |
| 03:27.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr, what else was it N810 had? |
| 03:27.48 | Macer | jpinx: there are a lot with the modem issue as well |
| 03:27.57 | Macer | heh |
| 03:27.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | a qwertz? |
| 03:28.02 | Macer | qwerty :-P |
| 03:28.03 | Macer | too |
| 03:28.03 | jpinx | virtual kbd's are a pita |
| 03:28.09 | Macer | you germans.. with your z :-P |
| 03:28.16 | Macer | jpinx: i agree |
| 03:28.27 | Macer | but there aren't any devices coming out with hw kbs anymore nowadays |
| 03:28.30 | Macer | i blame europe |
| 03:28.33 | Macer | with their qwertz |
| 03:28.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | my N810 has a pretty good hw kbd, better than N900 |
| 03:28.39 | Macer | :) |
| 03:28.45 | jpinx | Macer: modem issues? my n900 spends most of it's life connecting my laptop to the world |
| 03:28.49 | Macer | i guess it is easier to layout a vkb |
| 03:28.56 | Macer | instead of supporting maps for different hw kbs? |
| 03:29.07 | Macer | at least that's what xsacha said in symbian which made perfect sense |
| 03:29.32 | Macer | jpinx: look it up. quite a few people (myself included) had their modems die |
| 03:29.41 | Macer | where they would no longer read the sim or read the sim as not being inserted |
| 03:29.43 | Macer | it wasn't a pin issue |
| 03:29.47 | Macer | something else broke |
| 03:29.57 | Macer | even nokia gave me an off the wall solution |
| 03:30.05 | Macer | "Try wedging a piece of paper in the battery compartment" |
| 03:30.06 | Macer | lol |
| 03:30.09 | Macer | NOKIA said to do this! |
| 03:30.24 | jpinx | Macer: that has worked for me with other mobiles ;) |
| 03:30.27 | Macer | after not honoring my warranty because the device was a UK device and i was in the US |
| 03:30.35 | Macer | it worked for me as well for a while |
| 03:30.38 | Macer | then again it stopped |
| 03:30.45 | Macer | and you can only shove so much paper into the compartment ;) |
| 03:30.51 | jpinx | Macer: hardware dies - it's a fact of life ;) |
| 03:30.59 | Macer | yeah but the n900 i had before that |
| 03:31.03 | Macer | had the usb port fall off |
| 03:31.05 | Macer | so that's 2 i went through |
| 03:31.07 | jpinx | I have a spare unused n900 ready ;) |
| 03:31.09 | Macer | heh |
| 03:31.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | nokia helpdesk==idiots with a poor database on their PC |
| 03:31.25 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: i get that but i mean that was something i never would have expected from a customer support |
| 03:31.30 | Macer | "Shove paper into it." |
| 03:31.32 | Macer | wtf? :) |
| 03:31.35 | jpinx | never dealt with nokia helpdesk - only irc ;) |
| 03:31.40 | Macer | "Hit it with a hammer while dancing around it." |
| 03:31.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol, kinda |
| 03:32.02 | Macer | either way.. my point being that things happen.. they are no longer in production so they will die out |
| 03:32.13 | Macer | even die hard people will break theirs and say "what is the point anymore" and just move on |
| 03:32.20 | Macer | without there being a fresh pool of hardware |
| 03:32.32 | Macer | which is why i asked about hte debian on android phones projects ;) |
| 03:32.38 | Macer | because it seemed like a good area to expand into |
| 03:32.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what you get when 200 indians google the net for answers to problems confronted to 1st level helpdesk |
| 03:33.00 | Macer | at the very least a good open area to keep maemo viable... make a better vkb |
| 03:33.06 | Macer | heh |
| 03:33.10 | jpinx | Macer: debian would have issues with the touchscreen I think |
| 03:33.14 | Macer | yeah |
| 03:33.21 | Macer | i think that is the only area they are having problems with :-/ |
| 03:33.34 | Macer | but you're a group of smart guys.. maybe you can get maemo working with it :) |
| 03:33.35 | Macer | lol |
| 03:33.36 | jpinx | ubuntu <shudder> has a touchscreen version |
| 03:33.44 | Macer | plus you'd be doing the debian/ubuntu guys a favor |
| 03:33.50 | Macer | and favors are always nice |
| 03:34.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | *burrp* |
| 03:34.14 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: does more favours with free advice in here than you can count ;) |
| 03:34.37 | Macer | i understand that but favors in dev are probably a bit better than favors for me asking about shoving paper into my n900 ;) |
| 03:34.45 | Macer | ie: they can probably help with dev issues you are having problems with |
| 03:34.56 | Macer | the problems may be similar to theirs etc |
| 03:35.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | before I do canonical a favor the hell will freeze over |
| 03:35.12 | jpinx | Macer: I'm a debian user and I reckon it'll be a whilte before debain is ready for touchscreen ... meantime all the old n900 hardware will have failed |
| 03:35.16 | Macer | i'm just saying that .... maemo will eventually require expansion |
| 03:35.30 | Macer | especially on the hardware front |
| 03:35.45 | Macer | the numbers are dwindling |
| 03:35.56 | Macer | just throwing that out there for consideration |
| 03:36.06 | Macer | it may be a good move to make |
| 03:36.11 | jpinx | afaict maemo exists only because nokia would not open their drivers |
| 03:36.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 03:36.39 | jpinx | with open drivers the n900 could probably run on debian stable |
| 03:37.00 | Macer | hey the n900 is a scrappy device |
| 03:37.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | not only drivers. Middleware, and core apps like dialer, calendar etc |
| 03:37.03 | Macer | but it's dated |
| 03:37.10 | Macer | i still like playing old nintendo games :) |
| 03:37.24 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: what's the chances of nokia opening up now that the hardware is no longer in production ? |
| 03:37.31 | orlok | lol |
| 03:37.32 | orlok | fuck all |
| 03:37.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | zilch |
| 03:37.36 | orlok | remember who runs nokia now |
| 03:37.47 | Macer | MS ? ;) |
| 03:37.48 | jpinx | Hmm -- true :( |
| 03:37.50 | orlok | yup |
| 03:38.03 | orlok | i speak to an ex maemo dev on another channel |
| 03:38.10 | orlok | he managed to get work at intel over there |
| 03:38.27 | Macer | heh |
| 03:38.28 | orlok | had nothing good to say about what happened |
| 03:38.34 | Macer | intel is a non-factor in the mobile market |
| 03:38.46 | Macer | they need to make something that doesn't require a fan |
| 03:38.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | a) they don't own the (C) of a lot of stuff made by colabora et al. b) they would need to get stuff reviewed by their lawyers which is a painfully long and expensive process |
| 03:39.02 | jpinx | I know a couple of maemo devs - now employed elsewhere - there comments are priceless |
| 03:39.03 | orlok | Macer: they have, and they are employing a lot of ex-nokia maemo people apaprently |
| 03:39.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | c) they won't earn a single dollar by doing so |
| 03:39.14 | Macer | orlok: i'll believe it when i see it ;) |
| 03:39.32 | orlok | Macer: Intel's responsible for whatever maemo turned into, are they not? |
| 03:39.42 | Macer | meego? they had a small part to play |
| 03:39.50 | Macer | but that doesn't help them with their hw engineering ;) |
| 03:40.14 | Macer | i believe intel was "one of partners..." |
| 03:40.27 | Macer | along with nokia who a few months later abandoned it in favor of saving their asses with MS money |
| 03:40.59 | Macer | intel has to be like a decade behind arm if not more |
| 03:41.03 | jpinx | has to be said that nokia have totally lost the plot |
| 03:41.44 | jpinx | shame really -- they made some excellent hardware years ago..... |
| 03:41.53 | Macer | sure did.... i just recently got an e7 heh |
| 03:41.59 | Macer | the thing is like 10x better than anything android |
| 03:42.26 | Macer | i was shocked how good belle was . they were really just right there with it |
| 03:42.54 | Macer | then just went all over the dart board trying to stop the stock price slaughter from iphone and android show just shoved them off the hill |
| 03:43.42 | Macer | i honestly think if they stuck with symbian just another year ... and kept maemo/meego niche for a bit longer .. they'd have made it through :) |
| 03:44.02 | Macer | but i guess panic is a bitch |
| 03:45.23 | jpinx | panic indeed - now I hope the maemo project won't panin in the same way |
| 03:46.05 | Macer | well.. like i suggested.... expansion of hardware should be an incredibly important factor .. with nothing readily available it will just fade :) but that's just me. i could be wrong. |
| 03:46.50 | jpinx | Macer: I choose the n900 because the hardware is solid, and the OS was something like debian |
| 03:46.57 | Macer | as did i heh |
| 03:47.00 | Macer | i'm sure most did |
| 03:47.17 | Macer | it's absolutely awesome |
| 03:47.35 | Macer | but i've had 2 die on me ;) so minus 2 from the hardware pool |
| 03:47.46 | Macer | and it isn't like the cells are regenerating anymore lol |
| 03:47.54 | jpinx | but there is so much could be done with it if the hardware drivers were opened up |
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| 03:48.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are no closed drivers |
| 03:48.47 | jpinx | Macer: I am looking for broken screen n900's to buy and fix to act as future replacements |
| 03:49.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | drivers are kernel space which by GPL needs to be FOSS |
| 03:49.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's the middleware that's fsckdup by obfuscation |
| 03:49.33 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: ok - I stand corrected, but the parts of the system which are currently closed and preventing an android like developement |
| 03:49.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | like PA plugins that don't allow porting katest PA to maemo fremantle |
| 03:50.00 | jpinx | never heard the term "middleware" before ;) |
| 03:50.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | you have same shit on android, just worse |
| 03:50.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki middleware |
| 03:50.32 | jpinx | ;) |
| 03:51.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~closed |
| 03:51.46 | infobot | it has been said that closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages |
| 03:52.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | all those fucking libs essential for maemo and not even focumented API |
| 03:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | documented* |
| 03:53.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | gettings cell broadcast SMs to work, jonwil had to patch a libisi binary since no sourcecode available to fix a silly bug in it |
| 03:55.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | same for PA and audio policies, which Pali tackled |
| 03:55.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are zillions more |
| 03:55.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask SpeedEvil |
| 03:56.20 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | his bonmot about how maemo got designed is unsurpassed |
| 03:57.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't help but have to think they did that on purpose |
| 03:57.19 | SpeedEvil | I've in the past said that maemo was designed to allow application development, and no more. |
| 03:57.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and on HARM they excelled on it |
| 03:57.25 | jpinx | yes - it's like they wanted a shelf-life on the system |
| 03:57.52 | jpinx | harm is a disaster |
| 03:57.55 | SpeedEvil | there are a twisty maze of interconnected daemons, all talking over in, or poorly documented interfaces. |
| 03:59.05 | SpeedEvil | without source, so you basically have to reimplement all the closed bits damn near from scratch. or do really, really nasty reverse engineering. if you want to for example add an internet connection protocol that isn't supported |
| 03:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | check timed |
| 03:59.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | alarmd |
| 03:59.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | missioncontrol |
| 03:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | you name it |
| 04:00.18 | SpeedEvil | even if these were opensource, it wouldn't be easy to replace them |
| 04:00.36 | SpeedEvil | simply because of their interconnectedness. |
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| 04:01.29 | SpeedEvil | add that they're binary, and worse, connected to an undocumented modem and other hardware you have to reverse engineer, and that tools for reverse engineering arm are less common |
| 04:01.33 | SpeedEvil | and... |
| 04:01.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages <- read it and weep |
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| 04:02.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | reading that, you'll realize that maemo is stillborn for a foss project |
| 04:03.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia promissed but cheated on us, and never delivered |
| 04:03.32 | jpinx | wiki.maemo.org uses an invalid security certificate. |
| 04:03.32 | jpinx | The certificate expired on 12/08/12 06:59. |
| 04:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* really new stuff |
| 04:04.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | guess who's in charge |
| 04:04.31 | jpinx | who ? |
| 04:04.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | since maemo.org domain still isn't owned by "us2 there's just so much we can do about it |
| 04:06.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://roundup.fourecks.de/maemo/issue4 et al |
| 04:07.25 | jpinx | for sure nokia will be trying to quietly strangle maemo etc to force people into their new stuff |
| 04:07.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet they don't give a shit about those maybe 20k maemo users still active |
| 04:08.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia builds 20k devixes for the trashbin, on PV runs in their fab |
| 04:08.45 | jpinx | of course they give a shit - that's why they are killing the old system and forcing those users to buy into the new stuff |
| 04:08.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that's the whole problem - maemo doesn't matter no more |
| 04:09.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | dearm on |
| 04:09.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | dream even |
| 04:09.34 | jpinx | ;) |
| 04:10.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia sold i'd guess 2 Mio N900, probbaly quite a bit more of N9, and they don't care about those 30k still active N900 of today |
| 04:10.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even worth a single engineer's or manager's thoughts of a single day |
| 04:10.48 | jpinx | 30k users is a drop in the ocean |
| 04:11.40 | jpinx | totally insignificant in corporate terms |
| 04:12.19 | robbiethe1st | Well, guys, I want a good, open N900 replacement. Get busy! |
| 04:12.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | heck, they had an akamai server farm for repo and even for tablets-dev. Now we're servicing that with a single VM on a 100Mb/s uplink, and we have lots of headroom |
| 04:13.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: sell kits, dude! sell kits! |
| 04:13.54 | robbiethe1st | I'd be willing to spend a few hundred $ if I could get a decent tablet with something open on it. |
| 04:14.13 | jpinx | raspbery pi ? |
| 04:14.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha, everybody is |
| 04:14.19 | robbiethe1st | And Android /does not count/, as it sucks. Give me Hildon, damnit! |
| 04:15.07 | robbiethe1st | The problem is that all the few 'open' tablets I've seen, have crummy specs. absolutely horrible. |
| 04:15.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a ballpark figure: iirc the TI zoom-II was USD~2000 |
| 04:15.40 | robbiethe1st | Especially when I can get a $300 Ainol semi-open tablet with high res screen etc. |
| 04:15.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I almost got me one, until I realized that the SD-card will protrude when inserted |
| 04:16.07 | jpinx | tablets are not going to replace my eeepc anytime soon. I've tried several, own one and they all suck hairy balls |
| 04:16.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is a real W*T*F |
| 04:16.35 | robbiethe1st | Will protrude on...? |
| 04:17.03 | robbiethe1st | Also, is it sad that the best tablet I |
| 04:17.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | eh? what's unclear about "will protrude"? |
| 04:17.22 | robbiethe1st | On what device? |
| 04:17.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | insert a SD card, it will be half inside the case, half outside |
| 04:17.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | zoom-II |
| 04:17.46 | robbiethe1st | Oh |
| 04:18.18 | jpinx | has a Master A702 - it works ..... |
| 04:18.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12013&contentId=53575&DCMP=wtbu_zoom&HQS=Other+PR+zoom2_technical |
| 04:19.18 | robbiethe1st | I want a device with a decent screen, powerful, good Linux support and such, and a /huge/ battery or secondary-battery module in a convertable/slider form factor. |
| 04:19.40 | robbiethe1st | Absolute best would be a 5-6" factor, slightly bigger than N900 |
| 04:19.59 | jpinx | robbiethe1st: don't we all ? |
| 04:20.06 | robbiethe1st | 7 or 10 would do OK though... or even a bigger 13-16" device |
| 04:20.12 | robbiethe1st | *sigh* yeah |
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| 04:20.35 | robbiethe1st | It's like, even Microsoft realizes tablets need keyboards. why doesn't anyone else? |
| 04:21.07 | jpinx | robbiethe1st: over here they sell tablet cases with usb kbds in -- very popular |
| 04:21.21 | robbiethe1st | I've seen those |
| 04:21.27 | robbiethe1st | But still, it's nothing like a slider |
| 04:21.59 | jpinx | slider on a 7" tablet would be a bit unweildy ;) |
| 04:22.17 | robbiethe1st | I dunno |
| 04:22.34 | jpinx | I'm happy with the dimensions of the n900 - just make the screen go all the way to the edges |
| 04:22.35 | robbiethe1st | Take a look at the new 10" slider(N950 style) for Win 8 |
| 04:22.39 | robbiethe1st | I think it's Sony |
| 04:22.50 | robbiethe1st | ...and give me 1024x600 at least |
| 04:23.01 | jpinx | needs something that will go in his pocket |
| 04:23.11 | Macer | yeah me too |
| 04:23.22 | jpinx | even the samsung note is too big |
| 04:23.25 | Macer | seems like the era of the sliding qwerty(z) is over in favor of a cheaper vkb |
| 04:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | they will learn |
| 04:23.49 | Macer | not to mention companies seem to want things to be slimmer |
| 04:23.55 | jpinx | Macer: I have a vkbd on my tablet and it is almost unsueable :( |
| 04:24.08 | jpinx | unuseable -- even |
| 04:24.10 | Macer | jpinx: on my tf101 i usually installed the thumb keyboard |
| 04:24.24 | Macer | the standard one was just simply retarded for a 10" screen heh |
| 04:24.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | we had decent screensize with N810, when N900 came out we asked "ooh, why so small, we would have liked it to be like N810!" now look where every cellphone manuf is today |
| 04:24.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | same for kbd |
| 04:25.16 | Macer | heh |
| 04:25.18 | robbiethe1st | Surprisingly, at least for me, the N900 /works/ |
| 04:25.20 | Macer | i didn't mind the n900 screen |
| 04:25.26 | Macer | it was the same res anyways |
| 04:25.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | when N9 came out, we said "WTF?! we had good kbd on N900, why none on N9". Wanna bet what everybody will do in two years? ;-D |
| 04:25.27 | robbiethe1st | It works better than the N950 for me |
| 04:25.37 | Macer | lol |
| 04:25.50 | Macer | by then tho nokia was in MS' pocket |
| 04:26.00 | Macer | i wish they had released at least an n950 to the masses on their exit |
| 04:26.15 | Macer | too bad i can't put meego on my e7 :-/ |
| 04:26.15 | jpinx | nokia is just ms mobile arm now |
| 04:26.23 | Macer | seems so |
| 04:27.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | what I *really* can't wait to see is Jolla's introduction to the hw market |
| 04:28.35 | Macer | every time i think of something "new" i am reminded of that disgusting touchbook |
| 04:28.37 | Macer | by AI |
| 04:28.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | if they will listen to the geeks and get hw-kbd, or go the braindead way to try and challenge iFroit on their own battleground |
| 04:28.46 | Macer | my lesson in never pre-ordering |
| 04:29.40 | Macer | and a lesson well learned.. i think i took a $100 loss when i sold it to someone |
| 04:29.55 | Macer | i mean to a dev it was probably kind of neat.. beagleboard with a built on touchscreen |
| 04:30.30 | Macer | i'm often curious as if AI owned the patent on the detachable keyboard |
| 04:30.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still take bets on them trying to launch a me-too iFroit device and go the Nokia winphone fate |
| 04:31.10 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: +1 |
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| 04:33.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | if they do, I promise nobody will remeber their name even, 2 years after launch of first device |
| 04:34.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll find their devices in jabanese 2nd-hand shops, for 20 bucks |
| 04:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | japanese |
| 04:35.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | *occasionally* |
| 04:36.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | if at all |
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| 04:38.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | those who don't care about hw-kbs and such stuff are not the customers that will buy a device for the shiny splashy GUI and the nifty stock apps. Those buy an iPhone since their neighbour got one too |
| 04:39.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | the other ones just buy the cheapest thing they can get with their subsidized contract |
| 04:39.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | where's Jolla in that picture? |
| 04:40.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | cheaper than android/Samsung? hardly |
| 04:41.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | more me-too appeal than iPhone? dream on! |
| 04:42.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and, of course: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE |
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| 05:06.53 | Macer | hm |
| 05:07.12 | Macer | i'd love to get another n900.. but am terrified that in about 6 months i'll have another broken one heh |
| 05:07.36 | Macer | i think i'll stick to my e7 for now |
| 05:07.39 | Macer | maybe if that breaks |
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| 05:21.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: stop babbling and get a N900 already |
| 05:22.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | let the USB reinforce by somebody who knows his shit |
| 05:22.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and don't apply too much force to the keyboard (so modem chip won't snap off the opposite side of PCB) |
| 05:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I had one flexcable connector failure in my first N900, probably due to it being already weak and brekaing when I disassembled device (no, I did this before ;-D) |
| 05:25.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that's been it, not other problems with the two devices that are always on since, well, since N900 appeared |
| 05:28.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | on one of them I swapped keymat two times already |
| 05:31.19 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: I use my n900 over ssh a lot - saves wear on the hardware ;) |
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| 05:37.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I do same, on T900 (devel device). My IroN900 (daily phone) gets plugged to charger ~2 times per day, and pulled out from pouch ~20 times per day, to slide it open and IRC on it |
| 05:38.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | It even dropped to the pavement and I tried to catch it with my foot and instead stepped on it, which left some scars on the screen metal frame |
| 05:39.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
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| 08:47.51 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: hi, are you there ? |
| 08:47.55 | XATRIX | Have a minute ? |
| 08:48.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | a minute, yes |
| 08:48.17 | XATRIX | 2 questions |
| 08:48.49 | XATRIX | 1st, i have non-standart battery, 1700mAh, and it the handset doesn't work with it well |
| 08:49.16 | XATRIX | It's charging ok, but it shows fullcharge for quite a long time |
| 08:49.27 | XATRIX | then it shows 40% charge at onece |
| 08:49.43 | XATRIX | and it calculates it as a usual futher |
| 08:50.01 | XATRIX | how can i calibrate bme to use hi-capacity cell ? |
| 08:50.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you're using standard bme, there's no way to calibrate it |
| 08:50.55 | XATRIX | Do i have to install battery-patch to make it non-standard ? :D |
| 08:51.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 08:51.44 | thedead1440 | didn't Estel_ write bnf especially to calibrate non-standard batteries? |
| 08:51.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think bme does some kind of auto-calibration after a while |
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| 08:52.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what's bnf |
| 08:52.08 | XATRIX | I don't think it's so intelligent to |
| 08:52.16 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84452 |
| 08:53.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 08:54.05 | XATRIX | So, there's no way to retrain the bme for this batt ? |
| 08:54.28 | XATRIX | I think it still count it as a 1300mAhz |
| 08:54.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | possible |
| 08:55.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think bme does some kind of auto-calibration after a while |
| 08:55.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody knows for sure what bme does |
| 08:56.15 | XATRIX | Hm.. how can i check for current batt capabilities via sysfs ? |
| 08:56.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | capabilities? |
| 08:58.11 | XATRIX | Information |
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| 08:58.31 | XATRIX | chargin rate,capacity,some vendor info |
| 08:59.02 | kerio | there's no vendor info, really |
| 08:59.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | lshal|grep battery |
| 08:59.19 | kerio | except for the resistor that gives the supposed full charge "design" |
| 08:59.27 | kerio | wildly inaccurate and meaningless |
| 08:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | or not |
| 08:59.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 08:59.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | bogus |
| 08:59.38 | kerio | `hal-device bme` |
| 09:00.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: you might want to use http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh |
| 09:00.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | start that and follow the instructions on screen (you need i2ctools installed for it) |
| 09:00.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: both bme and bme-replacement lock the related i2c bus, right? |
| 09:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, bme-replacement looks at sysfs nodes of bq27200.ko |
| 09:01.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 09:01.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: bq27x00-battery is to be considered part of bme-replacement :) |
| 09:01.55 | kerio | it's only loaded by it |
| 09:01.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | the whole point of bme-replacement |
| 09:02.02 | XATRIX | i2ctools are known as damageable for this device! |
| 09:02.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't mess with i2c* commands and you're safe |
| 09:02.25 | kerio | XATRIX: well the problem is not te damage to i2ctools, the problem is the damage to the device itself |
| 09:02.29 | kerio | *the |
| 09:02.58 | XATRIX | yes, it's can be hardware-damaged via i2ctool |
| 09:03.08 | XATRIX | maybe it's a better idea to make bme-replacement ? |
| 09:03.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 09:03.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I told you it's not mature yet |
| 09:03.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's your problem anyway |
| 09:04.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | bme is known to show guesstimates for battery charge, even with standard battery |
| 09:04.43 | XATRIX | Yea |
| 09:04.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | and except for "very low, soon will shut off" you can't tell any useful info from battery charge level anyway |
| 09:05.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | not because it's inprecise but because you don't know about your power consumption to come |
| 09:05.38 | kerio | well maybe you don't :P |
| 09:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | device may shut down 30 min after battery reaches 50% (when watching movie or doing a phonecall) or it may stay up for another 5 days |
| 09:06.52 | jpinx | fresh battery - many hours on idling then put wifi hotspot on and how much time is left ? |
| 09:07.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | those are the extreme points, all in between is even less predictable |
| 09:07.23 | jpinx | kerio: everyone has different useage patterns that the software can not know |
| 09:07.39 | kerio | i'm not talking about the software |
| 09:07.42 | kerio | i'm talking about myself |
| 09:08.26 | kerio | ~15mA when idling with wifi on |
| 09:08.35 | jpinx | then you will know how ong your battery will last ;) |
| 09:08.41 | kerio | indeed! |
| 09:08.49 | kerio | luckily, that's kinda easy |
| 09:09.02 | kerio | "at least until i recharge it, this night" |
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| 09:09.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: seems that bnf stuff is doing proper readout of bq27200 chip, so using my calibrating script it should show best info available about battery. Similarly good info (or better yet) from http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/ |
| 09:09.29 | jpinx | that'll do ;) |
| 09:10.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 will need bash |
| 09:11.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail-perl not |
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| 09:11.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27200.sh is probably most useful terse info, particularly when called with a period-in-seconds parameter |
| 09:12.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | like `bw27200.sh 30` |
| 09:12.24 | XATRIX | http://fpaste.org/O1nU/ |
| 09:12.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | bq* |
| 09:12.48 | kerio | Average Current: 250 mA holy shit |
| 09:13.11 | kerio | wtf are you doing with your phone |
| 09:13.35 | XATRIX | I don't know |
| 09:13.42 | XATRIX | it's simply chargin right now |
| 09:13.54 | XATRIX | Oh, sorry i forgot |
| 09:14.14 | XATRIX | My fridge powered from my phone cell |
| 09:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's normal for screen backlight on at full brightness |
| 09:15.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, for calibrating script you should make sure your backlight is set to "always on" |
| 09:16.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, you rbq27200 chip needs a calibration cycle |
| 09:16.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | it seems pretty decalibrated |
| 09:17.05 | XATRIX | Actually my screen is in suspend |
| 09:17.19 | XATRIX | only orange LED is lit on |
| 09:17.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | Last Measured Discharge: 834 mAh :-o |
| 09:17.40 | XATRIX | It's completely fucked up |
| 09:17.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | then 250mA is way too much |
| 09:18.03 | kerio | wait, orange led? |
| 09:18.07 | kerio | are you charging it? |
| 09:18.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 09:18.20 | kerio | ah yes you are |
| 09:18.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | just thought same |
| 09:18.24 | kerio | then it's kinda normal |
| 09:19.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | still LMD 834 is either a crappy fake battery or a massively decalibrated bq27k chip |
| 09:19.55 | XATRIX | Battery Gauge die Temperature: 36 C - on 36 degree it will explode ? |
| 09:20.30 | XATRIX | It's KEVA BL-5J chinese cell |
| 09:20.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | set backlight to always on (either via simple brightness applet, or in xchat), run calibration script. will take ~ 6..8h to complete |
| 09:21.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | the die of bq27200 chip has 36°C |
| 09:21.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's basically meaningless |
| 09:22.06 | XATRIX | what does mean die ? death / |
| 09:22.07 | XATRIX | ? |
| 09:22.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | some fools call that "battery temperature" which evidently it isn't |
| 09:22.27 | XATRIX | :) |
| 09:22.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | die is the chip's silicon wafer |
| 09:22.50 | kerio | die is also the singular of dice |
| 09:22.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | *the* chip |
| 09:22.54 | XATRIX | dieelectric ? |
| 09:24.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_die |
| 09:25.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | k, bbl |
| 09:25.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 09:25.45 | XATRIX | Hm... i thought that the "black box" there the circuits are made from the plastic |
| 09:26.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | guesses XATRIX' battery actually has 836mAh max capacity |
| 09:26.26 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: I don't think so |
| 09:26.34 | XATRIX | Let's recalibrate it |
| 09:27.12 | XATRIX | Should i simply run # sh calibrate-bq27k.sh ? |
| 09:28.11 | XATRIX | And, what is better to run it now, while charging ? Or to wait until it gets fully charged, and then run recalibrate ? |
| 09:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it will ask you to charge every minute until battery full anyway |
| 09:29.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | so simply start it right away, after setting backlight to always on |
| 09:30.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and max brightness |
| 09:30.41 | XATRIX | OK |
| 09:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq-calibrate is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh |
| 09:30.47 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 09:31.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | will need root to run ;-) |
| 09:32.24 | XATRIX | Ok, max brightness is on |
| 09:32.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | it first charges battery completely (while nagging you every minute to do this), then switches off charging and auto-shutdown and thus discharges battery til calibration |
| 09:32.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | then stops discharge and charging kicks in again |
| 09:33.02 | XATRIX | quite complicated |
| 09:33.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite automagic |
| 09:34.00 | freemangordon | Pali: I think it is you who should answer to Tony Lindgren re secure PPA API patch |
| 09:34.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | simply start it and let sit til battery is charged completely and script stopped - after ~8h or so |
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| 09:34.41 | freemangordon | Pali: I don;t see his question being technical |
| 09:35.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | secure PPA API? |
| 09:36.16 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: Pali is trying to upstream thumb kernel patch |
| 09:36.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
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| 09:36.35 | XATRIX | It asks me to use Fastcharger |
| 09:36.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | this has an API? |
| 09:36.41 | XATRIX | I have only USB cable for now |
| 09:36.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 09:36.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | should work as well |
| 09:37.08 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/2/28/116 |
| 09:37.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | it just takes even longer then |
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| 09:37.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 2h more than with fastcharger |
| 09:38.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway you shouldn't use device too much during calibration |
| 09:38.52 | XATRIX | Ok,i will switch flight mode on |
| 09:39.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you abort the script, you have to start all over again |
| 09:40.11 | XATRIX | Shoud i leave wireless on ? |
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| 09:43.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you have to make sure that bq27200.sh is in your current working directory |
| 09:44.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. you need that script in your root's homedir and set it executable: `chmod +x ./bq27200.sh` |
| 09:45.26 | XATRIX | Yes, i did it |
| 09:45.35 | XATRIX | Already solved the issue |
| 09:45.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you comment out the line 17: ./bq27200.sh; in that script |
| 09:45.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah ok |
| 09:47.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | if the script fails nevertheless on that line - no problem, just `start bme` and you're done |
| 09:48.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | starting bme will switch off backlight, you can re-enable it by two times engaging lockslider switch |
| 09:50.06 | XATRIX | hm |
| 09:50.18 | XATRIX | Can i simply restart the device ? |
| 09:50.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? what for? |
| 09:50.30 | XATRIX | to reenable bme |
| 09:50.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | when? |
| 09:50.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 09:50.43 | XATRIX | if the script fails |
| 09:51.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | but typing `start bme` is simpler, and also only needed if script aborts prematurely due to an error |
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| 09:53.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw as long as it charges and prints that line every minute, you can abort and resume the script and don't lose anything by doing so |
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| 10:38.27 | jon_y | kerio: ping |
| 10:38.31 | kerio | pong |
| 10:38.32 | kerio | hi |
| 10:38.42 | jon_y | where do I put the ram file? |
| 10:38.49 | jon_y | for rescueOS with uboot |
| 10:38.58 | xprism | hi all |
| 10:39.03 | kerio | put both 2.6.whatever and rescueos-initrd-whatever in /opt/boot |
| 10:39.07 | jon_y | hi xprism |
| 10:39.16 | kerio | put the .item file in /etc/bootmenu.d |
| 10:39.20 | kerio | then run u-boot-update-bootmenu |
| 10:39.25 | jon_y | ok, thanks |
| 10:39.39 | jon_y | I should move /boot stuff to /opt/boot |
| 10:41.43 | jon_y | kerio: any ideas about putting backup menu into a uboot item? |
| 10:41.52 | kerio | doesn't work like that |
| 10:42.36 | jon_y | how does backupmenu work anyway? |
| 10:43.33 | kerio | it uses the fanoush bootmenu |
| 10:43.36 | kerio | from a booted system |
| 10:43.50 | kerio | it uses fremantle as an initrd |
| 10:44.15 | jon_y | freemantle as in the normal init route? |
| 10:44.25 | jon_y | s/freemantle// |
| 10:46.43 | jon_y | hmm, not exactly itemized |
| 10:46.45 | jon_y | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1072789&postcount=915 |
| 10:49.33 | xprism | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.38 | xprism | any mirror? |
| 10:51.58 | jon_y | what is that? |
| 10:52.04 | jon_y | kerio: what is fiasco-image-update-ask again? |
| 10:52.18 | kerio | it asks before flashing the kernel, if the name differs too much |
| 10:52.40 | jon_y | ok, I wasn't around for the past 2 months |
| 10:52.49 | jon_y | and the update to u-boot-tools? |
| 10:53.03 | kerio | idk, do it |
| 10:53.08 | xprism | the zip archive from this link http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1072789&postcount=915 |
| 10:53.10 | jon_y | is that Pali's? |
| 10:53.13 | kerio | yeah |
| 10:53.37 | jon_y | I mean from the repo |
| 10:54.00 | jon_y | strange that it never showed in HAM when I ran the update yesterday |
| 10:54.11 | jon_y | it is in apt-get upgrade though |
| 10:54.47 | jon_y | awesome, running apt-get upgrade, no breaks on this train |
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| 10:59.20 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: online ? |
| 11:00.36 | jon_y | kerio: where do you find package changelogs? |
| 11:00.50 | jon_y | is the packges site still up? |
| 11:09.20 | jon_y | hmm, how do I disable desktop orientation lock? |
| 11:09.28 | jon_y | the gconf way is no longer working |
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| 11:25.20 | vi__ | yo |
| 11:25.24 | vi__ | whats fresh? |
| 11:28.43 | jon_y | vi__: any idea how to disable desktop autorotate? |
| 11:28.52 | jon_y | gconf way not working anymore |
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| 11:51.45 | sardini | hello |
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| 12:06.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 12:06.07 | infobot | ~pong |
| 12:07.36 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: ping |
| 12:08.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | gnip |
| 12:08.41 | kerio | damn that's a lot of lag |
| 12:08.57 | jaska | outer space |
| 12:09.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | you have noooooo idea |
| 12:10.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | anything else except lag? |
| 12:10.41 | kerio | nah |
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| 12:14.44 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer51: ping |
| 12:15.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | que? |
| 12:15.13 | jon_y | do you happen to know why after upgrading, the disable desktop rotate key no longer works? |
| 12:15.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | no |
| 12:15.42 | jon_y | desktop_orientation_lock set via gconftool-2 |
| 12:15.56 | jon_y | so, any ideas what else to try? |
| 12:16.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | ask in maemo-ssu |
| 12:16.20 | jon_y | ok |
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| 12:32.24 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: any idea, how can i make my Conversation modes to work? In Online mode - it play sound and gives popup-message on screen |
| 12:32.48 | XATRIX | On DND it should only write the message to the log, no popups nor sound should appear |
| 12:32.58 | XATRIX | But it does the same as Online mode |
| 12:33.14 | XATRIX | for my ICQ,XMPP,Skype ... |
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| 13:37.44 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: My handset still charging ... It tells me TTE: 11-12 minutes and it goes still over 30 minutes unchanged. |
| 13:37.54 | XATRIX | Will it ever stop chargine ? |
| 13:38.08 | XATRIX | Or it's gonna stop after the cell explode ? |
| 13:51.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | it eventually should stop |
| 13:51.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least I'd hope it does |
| 13:52.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might need to lock the screen for 15min |
| 13:52.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, seems the script has flaws |
| 13:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | backlight on might keep charging from ever finishing |
| 13:57.23 | XATRIX | Sorry, i haven't understood |
| 13:57.32 | XATRIX | Anything i can do to fix it ? |
| 13:57.55 | XATRIX | It's currently 11 minutes TTE and it doesn't get further |
| 13:58.50 | XATRIX | My charge LED isn't lit |
| 13:59.13 | XATRIX | But the screen batter indicator tells me about ongoing charge |
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| 14:04.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems jacekowski and xes found the root cause of the hashsum issue |
| 14:05.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: lock the screen for 15 minutes |
| 14:05.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | use lockslider switch |
| 14:06.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | TTE?? TTF! |
| 14:07.01 | XATRIX | currently TTF: 65535 TTE: 11 minutes |
| 14:07.11 | XATRIX | My screen locked allready |
| 14:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | then it's DIScharging and messing with it will invalidate the learning cycle |
| 14:07.37 | XATRIX | ( |
| 14:07.53 | XATRIX | restart it ? |
| 14:08.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | TTE:11min and not actually finishing after 11min is expected, that's why we calibrate |
| 14:08.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, let it continue do its thing, with backlight on |
| 14:08.35 | XATRIX | So, i simply have to wait ? |
| 14:08.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 14:09.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch voltage and NAC drop |
| 14:09.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | voltage needs to drop to some 3.4 volt or so |
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| 14:10.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | while TTE is a guestimate based on borked calibration values, like "last measured discharge: 834mAh" |
| 14:11.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's expected to be terribly off |
| 14:15.12 | XATRIX | Hm |
| 14:15.18 | XATRIX | how can i check V? |
| 14:15.25 | XATRIX | bq22..sh? |
| 14:17.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's written in, err not this script |
| 14:17.54 | XATRIX | ? |
| 14:17.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | so yeah, open a second shel, run bq27200.sh 15 in it |
| 14:17.59 | XATRIX | ok |
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| 14:19.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I admit this calib script been a shoot from the hip |
| 14:19.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | took 30min to write, or somesuch |
| 14:20.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I only wrote it for kerio, who then never used it ;-P |
| 14:20.18 | XATRIX | crap, it stopped |
| 14:20.26 | XATRIX | backlight is off |
| 14:20.33 | XATRIX | but i can see no error in term |
| 14:20.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | good, so it finished |
| 14:20.59 | XATRIX | not usre, i see chargin ongoing |
| 14:21.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | two times lockswitch will revive the backlight |
| 14:21.28 | XATRIX | nope |
| 14:21.32 | XATRIX | it doesnt |
| 14:21.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait a moment |
| 14:21.45 | XATRIX | ah |
| 14:21.46 | XATRIX | ok |
| 14:22.00 | XATRIX | lockswitch, i though i should 2 time slide it out/in |
| 14:22.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a sleep 30 and two sleep 10 in it iirc |
| 14:22.18 | XATRIX | yes, it's still ongoing |
| 14:22.26 | XATRIX | but the script finished |
| 14:23.15 | XATRIX | maybe i have to start it again? |
| 14:23.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | it should have printed your new values for bq27200 |
| 14:23.36 | XATRIX | yep |
| 14:23.41 | XATRIX | which one should i tell you ? |
| 14:24.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ./bq27200.sh; |
| 14:24.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo '************* RESUMING CHARGING *************'; |
| 14:24.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo "starting bme will cause backlight and indicator LED go dark, use lockswitch to revert to normal" |
| 14:24.42 | XATRIX | yes i saw it |
| 14:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | so calibration is basically finished |
| 14:25.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should see a new value for "last measured discharge: xxx mAh" and "cycles since last learning cycle: nn" |
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| 14:25.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | cycles since last learning cycle shall be 0 |
| 14:25.59 | XATRIX | Last Measured Discharge: 1213mAh |
| 14:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | look |
| 14:26.30 | XATRIX | Cycles:0 Total Cycle Count : 156 |
| 14:26.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | this might not be the correct value yet |
| 14:26.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | (LMD) |
| 14:27.16 | XATRIX | eeprom data: |
| 14:27.21 | XATRIX | ILMD=1869 |
| 14:27.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | it only adjusts by 1/6 ber learning cycle. Yours been *terribly* decalibrated, so it might need another calibration/learning to get LMD right |
| 14:27.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ILMD is irrelevant |
| 14:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Last Measured Discharge (LMD) is the interesting value |
| 14:28.21 | XATRIX | Ahh |
| 14:28.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | it jumped from 834 to 1213 iirc |
| 14:28.39 | XATRIX | Ok, do i have to simply start the script again ? |
| 14:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, you can do that |
| 14:28.56 | XATRIX | Or i have to discharge it and retrain calibration |
| 14:30.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | keep the bq27200.sh 15 loop running in other shell |
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| 14:32.09 | XATRIX | http://fpaste.org/ezi9/ |
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| 14:32.19 | XATRIX | And the charging is still going on |
| 14:32.36 | XATRIX | Ok, i'll restart the procedure at home, in a few hours |
| 14:32.48 | XATRIX | If i start it now, i would have to leave the handset at work |
| 14:33.58 | XATRIX | CSOC: 11 % RSOC: 11 % ? |
| 14:34.35 | XATRIX | And why do i have to keep backlight full on ? |
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| 15:19.43 | XATRIX | what does mean CSOC: 26 % RSOC: 26 % ? |
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| 15:34.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you actually don't |
| 15:34.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | backlight is for speeding up discharge |
| 15:35.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | but alas it keeps charging from finishing, so discharging never starts |
| 15:39.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: are you sure? i remember the calibration script working |
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| 15:58.59 | vakkov | Good evening! I'm experimenting with a nitdroid kernel but I get a kernel panic soon after the partition is mounted and init started. I'm using u-boot by Pali and I wonder how can I record the whole log from the starting of u-boot to the kernel panic - something like that: http://e2e.ti.com/support/embedded/linux/f/354/t/218020.aspx |
| 15:59.54 | XATRIX | Crap it still charging |
| 16:01.35 | eccerr0r | i've found that charge21.sh "rate" ... if it ever goes negative it will never fully charge, as well as if it's less than 100 it will take forever to charge... |
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| 16:16.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: actully you might be right, dunno what I checked for to detect charge end state, for sure not bq24150 or bme state |
| 16:16.36 | kerio | VDQ |
| 16:16.55 | kerio | charge as normal until VDQ, disable charging until EDV1, start charging as normal |
| 16:16.58 | kerio | it's really, really simple :3 |
| 16:17.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes sense |
| 16:17.15 | kerio | Pali: did you change the bme-replacement so it allows for calibration? |
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| 16:33.13 | iluminator105 | where can i get X3-00 Micro USB Charging Block in the us |
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| 16:38.28 | iluminator105 | most of the parts in far of places i just need one |
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| 17:08.11 | RST38h | a1 |
| 17:09.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | b2 |
| 17:11.32 | sixwheeledbeast | well you suck my battleship ;-), e6 |
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| 17:17.58 | fizzie | That was one small battleship. |
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| 17:30.11 | iluminator105 | i tried to solder the the microusb unit back in place melted the plastic inside microusb unit |
| 17:31.25 | eccerr0r | how did you reconnect the wires? |
| 17:31.43 | kerio | fizzie: no, he /sucked/ his battleship |
| 17:31.44 | iluminator105 | none |
| 17:32.00 | iluminator105 | albeit this is first time ever i touched a soldering iron |
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| 17:32.25 | eccerr0r | when you rip the microusb out, you pull out the foil with it...need to reconnect the foil. |
| 17:32.27 | fizzie | kerio: I guess it can be pretty sucky after a single hit, aye. |
| 17:32.32 | iluminator105 | cell phone repair guy near me closed down, other guys says he only repairs apples |
| 17:32.53 | iluminator105 | eccerr0r, what foil |
| 17:33.06 | eccerr0r | the copper tracks on the board |
| 17:33.10 | kerio | pictures some guy repairing a fruit |
| 17:33.21 | iluminator105 | eccerr0r, can you link me to a pic |
| 17:34.15 | eccerr0r | I don't have any pictures, but normally when you rip something off a board physically, you take metal tracks off the board, not just the device off the board. |
| 17:35.31 | iluminator105 | eccerr0r, i figured out the problem was that i didnt have any flux |
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| 17:35.41 | eccerr0r | no |
| 17:35.52 | eccerr0r | you were probably trying to solder to the FR4 with no pad... |
| 17:36.08 | iluminator105 | i didnt want to use flux for copper pipes |
| 17:36.41 | sixwheeledbeast | kerio: well spotted |
| 17:37.05 | iluminator105 | i figure i need flux, and flux point needle, and low melting point solder |
| 17:37.15 | iluminator105 | and twisters |
| 17:37.58 | sixwheeledbeast | electronics sloder normally has flux in it. |
| 17:38.19 | iluminator105 | hmm... |
| 17:39.32 | sixwheeledbeast | iluminator105: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71414 |
| 17:40.39 | iluminator105 | apple repair guy: i only repair apples. I: you dont say that on your website or outside the store; apple repair guy: get out |
| 17:41.17 | kerio | i thought the pads below the battery were for rapuyama's usb |
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| 17:52.09 | iluminator105 | _tt is overcharging base phone for rizon is $50; i was hoping a cheap linux phone would come out for rizon by now |
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| 18:04.14 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: online ? |
| 18:04.36 | XATRIX | I started calibrate again, but now it doesn't show me anything |
| 18:05.05 | XATRIX | Simply tells me "Please charge battery! Use fastcharger!" every minute |
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| 18:05.24 | tx0h | hi |
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| 18:05.30 | XATRIX | http://fpaste.org/ZI2w/ - that's current data |
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| 18:06.54 | tx0h | i'm a bit confused by all the missing links i follow on maemo.org, is there a central download site for the emmc variations? (8GB /home...) |
| 18:07.15 | jacekowski | no |
| 18:07.48 | jacekowski | official one is 3G iirc |
| 18:07.49 | tx0h | why is that? i mean the site is full with dead links :-( |
| 18:08.00 | XATRIX | jacekowski: 2G |
| 18:08.07 | jacekowski | everything else is unsupported |
| 18:08.15 | jacekowski | it's easy to modify it though |
| 18:08.21 | jacekowski | if you open the file with hex editor |
| 18:08.35 | tx0h | which file? |
| 18:08.54 | kerio | just... use fdisk? |
| 18:08.56 | kerio | idk |
| 18:09.34 | jacekowski | tx0h: emmc image |
| 18:09.53 | tx0h | which one? i can't find any |
| 18:09.59 | jacekowski | official one |
| 18:10.02 | jacekowski | from tables-dev |
| 18:10.13 | jacekowski | or |
| 18:10.15 | jacekowski | ~skeiron |
| 18:10.16 | infobot | from memory, skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 |
| 18:10.21 | tx0h | this site is down |
| 18:10.30 | tx0h | (the official) |
| 18:10.30 | jacekowski | use skeiron then |
| 18:10.46 | tx0h | skeiron seems to be outdated? |
| 18:11.07 | jacekowski | no |
| 18:11.11 | jacekowski | it's latest |
| 18:11.35 | jacekowski | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 18:13.09 | tx0h | hmmm.. isn't there any planing to get this hosted somewhere under maemo.org? |
| 18:14.00 | tx0h | even the wiki pages contain all the dead links |
| 18:14.26 | tx0h | hard enough to get through all the forum threads :-) |
| 18:14.44 | sixwheeledbeast | tx0h: they won't be dead links when the new infra is finished |
| 18:15.07 | tx0h | aaaah, so there are plannings! great! |
| 18:15.24 | sixwheeledbeast | no point changing hundreds of links to put them back |
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| 18:18.40 | tx0h | repartition means, make a backup of /home, do fdisk, create ext3 fs and get the data back, right? |
| 18:20.08 | tx0h | ok, /home and /home/user/MyDocs |
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| 18:23.44 | tx0h | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/b/busybox-power/busybox-power_1.20.2power5_armel.deb Hash Sum mismatch :-( |
| 18:24.48 | eccerr0r | ~mirror |
| 18:24.49 | infobot | mirror is probably http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error |
| 18:26.22 | jacekowski | tx0h: yeah, that's work in progress |
| 18:26.32 | jacekowski | tx0h: it will be fixed after migration is complete |
| 18:27.53 | sixwheeledbeast | tx0h: hash sum mismatch on extras-devel repo use mirrors above. |
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| 18:28.47 | tx0h | i got it frp, freemantle-1.3 now |
| 18:28.56 | tx0h | from |
| 18:29.31 | sixwheeledbeast | FYI only one "e" in fremantle |
| 18:30.08 | sixwheeledbeast | well two, but you get me |
| 18:30.45 | n900-dk_ | What is 'fremantle' - I mean the word..? |
| 18:30.47 | tx0h | sure, np. |
| 18:30.57 | eccerr0r | Fremantle, Australia? |
| 18:31.02 | freemangordon | n900-dk_: some kind of a wind |
| 18:31.07 | freemangordon | iirc |
| 18:31.15 | Sicelo | a wind |
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| 18:32.37 | n900-dk_ | like Scirocco? |
| 18:35.09 | Sicelo | all the maemo 'nicknames' refer to winds. even skeiron has something to do with wind :-P |
| 18:35.12 | tx0h | if you do a repartitioning, how do you do the backup? with cpio? |
| 18:35.40 | n900-dk_ | will wait for the VW Fremantle ;) |
| 18:36.14 | eccerr0r | heh |
| 18:40.37 | eccerr0r | hmm..i need to get a broken usb n900 to try surgery on... |
| 18:42.12 | iluminator105 | i might sell my mine |
| 18:42.17 | tx0h | i have one with broken usb :-( |
| 18:42.51 | iluminator105 | depends on the price |
| 18:44.33 | eccerr0r | that is a problem, not sure how much I'd pay for one to practice disassembly, so I don't break my intact one... |
| 18:45.05 | tx0h | it's not hard do disassamble it |
| 18:45.34 | tx0h | but my copper pads are gone with the connector :-( |
| 18:45.55 | iluminator105 | its very easy to disassemble and assemble so much so if i knew it was this simple when my strip broke i would have fixed it myself |
| 18:47.27 | eccerr0r | hmm. yeah it seems simple, I'd just hate to break something when it's working... the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mantra... |
| 18:47.37 | eccerr0r | then again it was a broken design to begin with... |
| 18:48.02 | iluminator105 | why do you say its a broken design |
| 18:48.10 | eccerr0r | it's too easy to break :) |
| 18:48.10 | kerio | i don't use my usb port much, for that precise reason |
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| 18:51.46 | iluminator105 | not as easy to break as a crapple |
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| 18:52.05 | tx0h | eccerr0r: there are users who secure the usb port before they could break |
| 18:52.35 | eccerr0r | yes, that's what I was thinking about doing... |
| 18:52.49 | iluminator105 | if i had a crapple it wouldnt last more than a day |
| 18:53.07 | eccerr0r | I was hoping to see if I can get a broken one to practice disassembly, if I break a broken one more then oh well, it was for learning... |
| 18:54.23 | iluminator105 | like i said its very straight forward its no big deal to take one a part; i am saying this initial i too was afraid of taking it a part |
| 18:54.57 | iluminator105 | look at the pics online you will see what i mean |
| 18:54.58 | tx0h | there is a youtube video on how to do it |
| 18:55.41 | eccerr0r | next thing is whether I want to add epoxy along with adding solder to the foil pads... |
| 18:55.51 | eccerr0r | "double fix" :D |
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| 18:57.00 | Sicelo | ~usb-fix |
| 18:57.00 | infobot | usbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
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| 18:59.14 | iluminator105 | after i fix my usb i will sell shop to fix phones on weekends, i know there is demand in my area |
| 18:59.23 | iluminator105 | setup* |
| 18:59.39 | iluminator105 | including crapples |
| 18:59.49 | iluminator105 | bbl |
| 19:02.43 | tx0h | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 |
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| 19:04.35 | tx0h | unfortunately just this bad picture :-( |
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| 20:36.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | > >If I ask questions in an email, it is because I am desirous of getting the requested information.<< (no comment) |
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| 20:46.12 | n900-dk_ | ~mirror |
| 20:46.12 | infobot | somebody said mirror was http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error |
| 20:47.01 | n900-dk_ | no mirror for extras-testing? |
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| 21:02.06 | jacekowski | n900-dk_: if you feel like testing stuff http://213.128.137.22/ |
| 21:02.42 | jacekowski | n900-dk_: as in, use 213.128.137.22 |
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| 21:10.24 | n900-dk_ | nm, I was looking for unzip and thought it was in extras-testing, but found it in extras-devel after it got enabled :) |
| 21:11.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | searching for technically savvy volunteers to test *new* rmo |
| 21:11.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | with hashsums suppoed to be fixed |
| 21:11.33 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i think jacekowski made me test it |
| 21:11.35 | kerio | but i'm not sure |
| 21:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | and *maybe* even autobuilder delivering new updates |
| 21:12.04 | jacekowski | only extras-devel have new sums |
| 21:12.11 | jacekowski | i'll have to rebuild everything else |
| 21:13.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | do we have hashsum errors on other repos than extras-devel? |
| 21:13.42 | jacekowski | hard to tell |
| 21:13.53 | jacekowski | i would have to regenerate all sums and then compare |
| 21:13.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't recall any reports |
| 21:14.25 | jacekowski | i suppose other repos don't get many updates |
| 21:14.30 | jacekowski | so it's less likely to go wrong |
| 21:14.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: please give a short instruction how to use *new* rmo |
| 21:14.52 | n900-dk_ | just had one in extras-testing |
| 21:14.54 | n900-dk_ | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/u/unzip/unzip_6.0-maemo5_armel.deb Hash Sum mismatch |
| 21:15.03 | jacekowski | n900-dk_: that's old rmo |
| 21:15.14 | n900-dk_ | ohh, sry |
| 21:15.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, but valuable info |
| 21:15.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! |
| 21:15.43 | jacekowski | i'll just rebuild everything |
| 21:15.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 21:20.59 | n900-dk_ | I will be happy to test the new rmo with the examples, I have been bothering you guys about |
| 21:21.58 | jacekowski | well, use 213.128.137.22 instead of repository.maemo.org |
| 21:22.20 | jacekowski | at the moment extras-devel should be clear, and everything should rehash within next couple hours |
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| 21:24.17 | xes | jacekowski: they should specify it in hosts.. right? |
| 21:24.56 | jacekowski | well, that's an option |
| 21:25.03 | jacekowski | or just modification to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:42.17 | n900-dk_ | no hashsum errors for maegios and shortcutd on new rmo. \o/ You guys rule the world! |
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| 21:49.55 | XATRIX | What does mean CSOC: 50 % RSOC: 50 % ? |
| 21:50.25 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: ^ |
| 21:51.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 21:51.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | FWIW I suggest patching /etc/hosts |
| 21:51.45 | jacekowski | not htat |
| 21:51.48 | jacekowski | 22:49 < XATRIX> What does mean CSOC: 50 % RSOC: 50 % ? |
| 21:52.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | that means that bq27200 thinks your cell is charged 50% |
| 21:52.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you ever see CSOC and RSOC differ, let me know |
| 21:53.12 | XATRIX | :) |
| 21:53.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | compensated State Of Charge - or sth |
| 21:53.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and Raw State Of Charge |
| 21:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | on extreme loads and/or temperatures CSOC might be lower by a few percent |
| 21:54.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 21:54.26 | XATRIX | I feel myself like a Gordon Freeman with sucha techy stuf :))) |
| 21:59.18 | XATRIX | OK, will let it discharge up to morning , will tell you if i stay alive without nuke explosion tomorrow |
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| 22:13.26 | n900-dk_ | I'm a little uncertain about why I'm not able to find e.g. shortcutd and maegios via HAM |
| 22:13.47 | n900-dk_ | but they are listed and installed fine via apt-get/apt-cache |
| 22:14.37 | jacekowski | try going back to repository.maemo.org and edit your /etc/hosts |
| 22:15.01 | n900-dk_ | I did edit /etc/hosts |
| 22:15.29 | jacekowski | ahm, ok |
| 22:17.08 | freemangordon | ~mirrors |
| 22:17.08 | infobot | i guess mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error |
| 22:17.11 | n900-dk_ | ahh, guess it's because of 'ignoring version from wrong domain' - these entrys are in HAM log |
| 22:17.33 | jacekowski | freemangordon: we are testing *new* r.m.o |
| 22:17.38 | jacekowski | freemangordon: with fixed hash sums |
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| 22:18.39 | freemangordon | jacekowski: I know, it is not about me |
| 22:19.05 | jacekowski | btw. you can join as well |
| 22:19.17 | n900-dk_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.49 | jacekowski | yep |
| 22:21.13 | freemangordon | jacekowski: sure I can, but not now, trying to help someone :) |
| 22:21.14 | n900-dk_ | Ok, but works flawless with apt-get :) Guess HAM will be fine then, when domain is changed to new ip |
| 22:21.15 | eccerr0r | is the "new" r.m.o ultimately going to be the machine DNS is going to be pointed to? |
| 22:21.35 | jacekowski | eccerr0r: yes |
| 22:21.57 | eccerr0r | ok cool, I wont have to worry about removing the /etc/hosts entry then :D |
| 22:23.20 | n900-dk_ | Why is HAM only ignoring some packages? |
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| 23:13.31 | Luke-Jr | freemangordon: ? |
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| 23:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: long time no see! |
| 23:29.04 | Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: I'm always here |
| 23:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 23:30.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless I had to think to recall your nick when we talked about alterative OS |
| 23:30.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | a day ago |
| 23:31.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's life? |
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| 23:48.27 | sombragris | g'evening |
| 23:48.30 | sombragris | :) |
| 23:48.33 | sombragris | a quick question |
| 23:48.56 | sombragris | my brand new N900 touchscreen got some scratches |
| 23:49.15 | sombragris | I inadvertently put it in the same pockets with my car keys |
| 23:49.20 | sombragris | (dumb. I know) |
| 23:49.47 | sombragris | how can I fix it ? the phone works well, the fix would be only cosmetic |
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| 23:51.08 | sombragris | (btw you read well: I got a N900 just 15 days ago. Brand new.) |
| 23:52.13 | kerio | sombragris: often a screen protector will "fill" minor scratches |
| 23:52.36 | kerio | apart from that... well, you'd need to change the whole screen i think |
| 23:52.41 | kerio | or at best the digitizer |
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| 23:53.56 | sombragris | kerio: thanks. I think the scratches are minor. Main damage is that the digitizer isn't entirely smooth anymore. Nothing else, thankfully. |
| 23:54.04 | jacekowski | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Touch-Screen-Digitizer-For-NOKIA-N900-N-900-Tools-/320657724719?pt=UK_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item4aa8b0952f |
| 23:54.07 | jacekowski | 3.99 |
| 23:54.33 | sombragris | kerio: did you mean a protector like this ? http://www.amazon.com/Premium-Crystal-Protectors-Microfiber-Cleaning/dp/B00333A0TW/ref=pd_sim_cps_1 |
| 23:54.46 | sombragris | jacekowski: let's see |
| 23:55.27 | kerio | sombragris: yeah |
| 23:56.01 | sombragris | jacekowski: wow. It isn't even expensive. |
| 23:56.12 | sombragris | jacekowski: ty |
| 23:56.43 | sombragris | well, I should get up to speed in t.m.o on tips on how to properly care for the N900 |
| 23:56.55 | kerio | ~usbfix |
| 23:56.55 | infobot | methinks usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 23:57.17 | sombragris | ok |
| 23:59.04 | sombragris | I had a N900 which I used a lot until I got lost. Never had USB issues though |
| 23:59.15 | kerio | oh also install cssu |
| 23:59.16 | sombragris | but I would like to avoid this issue. Good point |
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| 23:59.19 | kerio | at least cssu stable |
| 23:59.29 | sombragris | kerio: I always meant to install the stable cssu |
| 23:59.38 | sombragris | will speed the phone up ? |
| 23:59.42 | kerio | no |