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| 00:08.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | it depends on tomorrow's meeting |
| 00:08.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are clear statutes about changing statutes |
| 00:09.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think we first will suggest successors for Tim and ask board to consider to appoint them |
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| 01:53.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | idoru: help |
| 01:53.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | idoru: ? |
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| 06:55.05 | Aoyagi_joytop | Is there an emulator for the maemo browser? MicroB or whatever it's called. |
| 06:56.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? emulator? |
| 06:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | who's emulating what? |
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| 07:22.44 | Aoyagi_joytop | Something like Opera has, but I can't link it now due to weird outage of opera.com |
| 07:23.43 | Aoyagi_joytop | http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/opera-mobile-emulator/ that |
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| 08:03.35 | XATRIX | Hi guys, anyone knows how to merge folders in mail application ? |
| 08:05.19 | XATRIX | I have Sent folder that is initial for mail system, but my actual folder looks like custom |
| 08:05.28 | XATRIX | i'm using IMAP proto to access mail |
| 08:05.43 | XATRIX | You know, there're custom folder you can subscribe to |
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| 08:06.26 | XATRIX | So, my actual mails are stored inside sucha a folder, against to be stored in default Sent |
| 08:06.41 | XATRIX | How can i change settings for ? |
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| 08:19.42 | t4nk288 | hello guys, u want to ask you is there some facebook program that i can use and get notifications by some kind of light or sound? im asking because i do it myself, it's not automatical... |
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| 08:19.55 | t4nk288 | I want to ask * |
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| 08:29.56 | XATRIX | Can't connect to CSSU currently |
| 08:30.21 | XATRIX | Headset it has been updated, and Unable to connect to repository.maemo.org |
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| 08:44.07 | XATRIX | Also, is it possible to change I/O sheduller to noop in kernel ? |
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| 09:19.53 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/wl1251/ UAPSD (WMM power save) no yes yes |
| 09:20.06 | XATRIX | Who told me that it is not effeicient ? |
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| 09:47.32 | _shadowx | XATRIX, echo noop > /sys/block/$device/queue/scheduler |
| 09:47.48 | _shadowx | not sure if noop part of the default kernel, but KP has it. |
| 09:48.55 | _shadowx | p.s. $device should be mmcblk0 (or mmcblk1 the memory card) |
| 09:49.48 | XATRIX | yep |
| 09:50.00 | XATRIX | How can i script it , to be applied every reboot ? |
| 09:53.29 | _shadowx | Depends at witch stage of the boot you want to switch to it... but i guess adding the line to /etc/init.d/rcS should work,if i remember correctly , there are few other kernel setting set by rcS |
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| 09:55.21 | _shadowx | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=974307 check out this thread. short description of how to make ur own scripts that run at startup. |
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| 10:07.31 | XATRIX | !seen Pali |
| 10:07.38 | XATRIX | ~seen pali |
| 10:07.40 | infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 11h 22m 25s ago, saying: 'I'm going sleep too, bye :-)'. |
| 10:07.55 | XATRIX | crap :( |
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| 10:21.01 | XATRIX | Anyone use protocol plugins for the Conversation ? |
| 10:21.12 | XATRIX | Actually, skype proto |
| 10:23.19 | freemangordon | ~mirror |
| 10:23.19 | infobot | i heard mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error |
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| 10:27.35 | XATRIX | No, my question is: There're modes "Available DND Offline" |
| 10:27.49 | XATRIX | In available mode i have screen notification & sound |
| 10:27.58 | XATRIX | I have the same crap while in DND |
| 10:28.02 | XATRIX | ??!?! |
| 10:35.04 | XATRIX | How can i fix it ? I need it only record the messages to the chat window |
| 10:35.19 | XATRIX | Without screen pop-up notification & sound in DND mode |
| 10:36.13 | XATRIX | Also, i found Mozilla firefox browser in Ovi store |
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| 10:36.29 | XATRIX | And it looks like it installs Fennec while |
| 10:36.37 | XATRIX | Is it capable flash/HTML5 ? |
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| 11:01.14 | grummund | had my n900 for a couple of months now... |
| 11:01.52 | grummund | just discovered the marbles game |
| 11:02.07 | grummund | impossible! :p |
| 11:03.29 | jon_y | kerio: ping |
| 11:03.58 | jon_y | you still have your uboot+rescurOS bins? |
| 11:04.07 | kerio | pong |
| 11:04.10 | kerio | my what |
| 11:04.11 | kerio | ? |
| 11:04.24 | jon_y | rescueOS |
| 11:04.37 | jon_y | I just got my n900 fixed |
| 11:04.53 | jon_y | screen replaced |
| 11:05.05 | kerio | you don't need uboot to launch rescueos |
| 11:05.07 | kerio | ~rescueos |
| 11:05.08 | infobot | rumour has it, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ |
| 11:05.17 | jon_y | I was planning to add rescueOS to the uboot menu |
| 11:05.19 | kerio | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2196041 |
| 11:06.29 | jon_y | thanks |
| 11:06.35 | jon_y | and backup menu? |
| 11:06.55 | jon_y | ~backupmenu |
| 11:06.55 | infobot | well, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 11:07.30 | jon_y | awesome, will do that too |
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| 11:20.56 | XATRIX | kerio: http://fpaste.org/IAFM/ |
| 11:21.06 | XATRIX | Any ideas why it doesn't go to C4 powersaving ? |
| 11:21.26 | XATRIX | I did no overclock, voltmod, or anything that can harm |
| 11:21.32 | XATRIX | since reflashed |
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| 11:24.40 | clownish | are the repositorys down again? |
| 11:29.28 | XATRIX | Seems like |
| 11:30.52 | kerio | XATRIX: skyhost |
| 11:31.03 | XATRIX | kerio: ? |
| 11:31.06 | kerio | skype |
| 11:31.40 | XATRIX | What's with it ? |
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| 11:31.54 | kerio | it does shit |
| 11:31.55 | kerio | all the time |
| 11:32.34 | XATRIX | What kind of ? |
| 11:32.41 | XATRIX | touching the CPU ? |
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| 11:36.07 | XATRIX | ~microb |
| 11:36.07 | infobot | i heard microb is Mozilla based browser for maemo, built on Gecko by Nokia for their Tablet devices line, http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ - http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/index.xml |
| 11:36.20 | XATRIX | ~microb download |
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| 11:36.43 | XATRIX | ~microb repo |
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| 12:02.21 | XATRIX | 100 kΩ 1250mAh (Original BL-5J battery) 90 kΩ 1000mAh 80 kΩ 862mA 78 kΩ 740mAh |
| 12:02.33 | XATRIX | What if i have 1700 cell ? |
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| 15:19.32 | kerio | hold on, so now the one appointed board member appointed two more members? |
| 15:24.55 | thedead1440 | kerio: yup. However, its a double-edged sword; if elections are called Nokia may just stop all discussions and nothing is transferred properly. OTOH it seems the other 2 people especially woody are sane people with much more technical know-how than Rob so woody especially can co-op with Council on sane things to move forward quickly... |
| 15:25.56 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: are you there ? |
| 15:26.27 | XATRIX | http://fpaste.org/aOJY/ -that is without skype |
| 15:26.41 | XATRIX | Sounds if my CPU was completely HALTed |
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| 15:55.15 | divVerent | as I cannot reach repository.maemo.org despite it being up again supposedly... what IP should it be resolving to? |
| 15:57.40 | thedead1440 | divVerent: 188.117.59.205 |
| 15:58.24 | divVerent | hm... it does seem to have some problems then |
| 15:59.32 | thedead1440 | oh yes there is an issue with one of the blades. the sysadmins are on it since a few hours already. |
| 15:59.37 | divVerent | oh, ok |
| 16:00.23 | divVerent | in the meantime... I did the mistake of switching to skeiron's repo mirrors for now, knowing they are somewhat outdated... but now apt-get dist-upgrade fails with weird errors (weird, as I cannot figure out manually what is wrong) |
| 16:00.30 | divVerent | http://paste.debian.net/239942/ |
| 16:01.09 | divVerent | of upstart it only can mean one version, which depends on a busybox I have... so it doesn't make sense to fail |
| 16:01.33 | divVerent | so, anyone know how to tell apt to show more detail on why it fails? |
| 16:02.24 | thedead1440 | skeiron's mirrors are not outdated as repos haven't been updated in quite a few months. dist-upgrade has always been discouraged so why do it? |
| 16:03.04 | divVerent | because upgrade shows 999 packages as "kept back" |
| 16:03.49 | thedead1440 | i've no idea what you may have messed up; are on a cssu version? maybe you have added the wrong mirror? |
| 16:04.05 | divVerent | no CSSU yet, that's what Iw anted to do soon... |
| 16:04.15 | thedead1440 | did you add any community repos? |
| 16:04.33 | divVerent | I however did add the extras-devel repo to install openmediaplayer, but used apt-pinning to pin down the extras-devel to priority 1 |
| 16:04.54 | divVerent | so I am now undoing that part and see if the kept back ones go away |
| 16:04.57 | divVerent | no, still are there |
| 16:05.17 | thedead1440 | no idea on what's gone wrong. Maybe ask kerio :) |
| 16:05.42 | kerio | dist-upgrade has never been supposed to work |
| 16:05.48 | divVerent | ah, I think I figured it out... I did add the community repo, but did not get any updates from it yet |
| 16:05.58 | thedead1440 | community repo is CSSU-Stable |
| 16:05.59 | kerio | divVerent: halt |
| 16:06.09 | kerio | you're not supposed to blindly upgrade from the cssu repo |
| 16:06.15 | divVerent | but how else? |
| 16:06.19 | kerio | install community-ssu-enabler, run it |
| 16:06.26 | kerio | it'll uninstall the nokia metapackage and install the cssu one |
| 16:06.30 | divVerent | THAT is the info I was missing |
| 16:06.36 | divVerent | yes, it is the nokia metapackage keeping things back |
| 16:07.03 | divVerent | but now that I removed the community package, it's only 4 kept back ones, which includes a libcurl update |
| 16:07.32 | divVerent | where to get community-ssu-enabler? it's not in the "community" repo |
| 16:07.40 | divVerent | or is it so new it's not on skeiron yet? |
| 16:08.13 | divVerent | if that's the case, I'll just wait |
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| 16:08.53 | thedead1440 | http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/community/pool/fremantle/free/c/community-ssu-enabler/community-ssu-enabler_0.6-7_all.deb |
| 16:09.33 | divVerent | odd that I didn't find it then... I'll see what I did wrong then |
| 16:09.58 | divVerent | ah, my bad, didn't run apt-get update :P |
| 16:10.35 | divVerent | (I did the changes to skeiron's repos manually via vi of the file managed by HAM, so I can easily restore the real URLs by just entering the HAM settings and closing them again) |
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| 16:36.27 | divVerent | great, looks like it all works. Although the only visible CSSU change for me (using stable) is that I can finally have a FMTX button in the status dropdown |
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| 16:39.06 | divVerent | (which by itself is already worth it, for my use) |
| 16:40.25 | kerio | yes, cssu-stable is kinda supposed to be indistinguishable from maemo stock, unless you configure it |
| 16:40.33 | kerio | also, install the rotation lock applet |
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| 16:41.04 | Pali | this situation of linux userspace is even worse |
| 16:41.12 | Pali | lennart's systemd, |
| 16:41.16 | Pali | non working udev |
| 16:41.45 | kerio | indeed, upstart is much better! |
| 16:41.48 | Pali | and now also stupid ******* display server by canonical |
| 16:41.48 | kerio | flees |
| 16:43.08 | Pali | very good, ubuntu - majority distribution - start using something incompatible with X Server... |
| 16:43.19 | Pali | and all developers start using that shit |
| 16:43.44 | Pali | and then linux desktop goes to the hell |
| 16:43.48 | divVerent | kerio: I did install the rotation lock |
| 16:43.51 | Pali | thanks cannonical |
| 16:43.58 | Pali | thanks lennart |
| 16:44.01 | kerio | Pali: i don't see anyone else using unity, fwiw |
| 16:44.03 | divVerent | although not much supports rotation anyway |
| 16:44.09 | divVerent | (similarily bad situation as with iOS...) |
| 16:44.24 | Pali | kerio, unity can be replaced by another DE |
| 16:44.38 | kerio | i mean other distros |
| 16:44.47 | Pali | without breaking other apps |
| 16:44.51 | freemangordon | kerio: you will, once that "peace" of crap is out |
| 16:44.52 | divVerent | wayland is by canonical now? |
| 16:44.56 | divVerent | or do you mean ANOTHER new display server? |
| 16:45.00 | Pali | but replacing X Server will break *all* X apps |
| 16:45.02 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 16:45.05 | thedead1440 | divVerent: Mir |
| 16:45.09 | divVerent | if it's wayland, it will NOT break X apps |
| 16:45.10 | Pali | divVerent, no anther server |
| 16:45.17 | Pali | MIR |
| 16:46.03 | kerio | canonical can announce whatever it wants |
| 16:46.44 | Pali | Red Hat and also Canonical trying to kill linux |
| 16:46.57 | divVerent | I mean, X11 IS crap... but now Wayland AND MIR... why can't they join forces instead |
| 16:47.09 | Pali | X11 is good |
| 16:47.09 | divVerent | that way, we will get TWO crappy new display servers, and will thus stick with old X11 |
| 16:47.11 | Pali | is working |
| 16:47.13 | divVerent | not REALLY... |
| 16:47.14 | divVerent | it works, yes |
| 16:47.16 | divVerent | but design IS bad |
| 16:47.18 | freemangordon | divVerent: X11 is NOT crap |
| 16:47.20 | Pali | and there are working apps |
| 16:47.23 | divVerent | I actually am surprised how fluent Maemo works :P |
| 16:47.33 | divVerent | given that Android on similar hardware fails |
| 16:47.41 | Pali | wayland - not working correctly, no apps |
| 16:47.48 | freemangordon | divVerent: thanks to dalvic ;) |
| 16:47.51 | Pali | and only research project |
| 16:47.55 | divVerent | wayland does the big mistake of making window managers very complex to impossible |
| 16:48.16 | divVerent | (but still better than OS X, which even does window decorations from a library loaded by programs... making it ENTIRELY impossible to change them) |
| 16:48.48 | kerio | divVerent: otherwise how will the next itunes mimick the future version of os x? |
| 16:48.53 | divVerent | freemangordon: main gripe with ANdroid is that even the pointless animations lag all the time |
| 16:49.10 | freemangordon | Pali: I think it is time to start coding for Windows :D:D:D |
| 16:49.20 | divVerent | and X11 is quite badly designed... to get anything done, people invent X11 extensions to go around X11's normal channels |
| 16:49.24 | divVerent | XShm being one of the first |
| 16:49.40 | divVerent | so it DOES make sense to rethink whether we still need the core X11 mechanisms at all |
| 16:50.06 | divVerent | however, this also could be done as an "evolutionary" step, i.e. taking X11 and just removing most useless core features (X11 bitmap fonts being one of the nasty ones) |
| 16:50.17 | freemangordon | Pali: as how the things are developing, in a couple of years that experience will be of use ;) |
| 16:50.31 | divVerent | and basically doing virtually everything with extensions, and only keeping core features as fallbacks (e.g. XShmPutImage needs an XPutImage fallback for network connections) |
| 16:50.58 | divVerent | therefore, I wonder why everyone wants to start from scratch, and not work on an "X12" |
| 16:51.20 | kerio | divVerent: because NIH |
| 16:51.48 | divVerent | especially the "all you ever need is OpenGL anyway" sounds right... but is not, once you need more than one window in your program :P |
| 16:52.15 | divVerent | yes... but thanks to Ubuntu, Wayland has no future, and thanks to Wayland, MIR has none :P |
| 16:52.48 | divVerent | Wayland actually tries SOME X11 compatibility, as in, you can run a Wayland display on X11, and X11 software on Wayland by use of either a protocol translator or a library |
| 16:53.03 | divVerent | (or is it a library only, and the protocol translator is Xnest?) |
| 16:53.25 | kerio | "One wonders whether it's really a good idea to name it after a space station that the Russians abandoned and allowed to burn up once they decided that going it alone on something as complex and expensive as a space station wasn't really practical." |
| 16:53.32 | freemangordon | divVerent: I guess they think QML will do the job for app compatibility |
| 16:53.36 | divVerent | in a way, X11's network transparency was actually a bad idea - in retrospect |
| 16:53.51 | divVerent | if it weren't for X11 forwarding, Oracle would NEVER have made graphical installers for database |
| 16:53.54 | freemangordon | which is bullshit (QML thingie) |
| 16:54.02 | divVerent | which means, you NEED to have X11 stuff installed on a database server JUST so that the installer can run |
| 16:54.09 | kerio | divVerent: hahahaha what |
| 16:54.13 | divVerent | yes, really |
| 16:54.18 | divVerent | you can use a response file |
| 16:54.19 | kerio | hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 16:54.22 | divVerent | but no interactive console install |
| 16:54.26 | divVerent | also, even if you do use a response file |
| 16:54.32 | divVerent | it still requires X11 libs and a working $DISPLAY |
| 16:54.38 | divVerent | despite only using it for testing whether it works |
| 16:54.40 | kerio | why would you want an installer |
| 16:54.45 | divVerent | because Oracle |
| 16:54.52 | divVerent | actually, the Oracle installer DOES some useful things |
| 16:55.01 | freemangordon | kerio: ever installed oracle? |
| 16:55.04 | divVerent | but a script to be run after installation would work too |
| 16:55.09 | kerio | freemangordon: nope |
| 16:55.23 | kerio | it's not in the repos |
| 16:55.25 | divVerent | hehe |
| 16:55.41 | divVerent | in theory all the Oracle installer does COULD also be done by a script installed by a package manager... "apt-get install oracle-database" would not yield a working DB yet |
| 16:55.49 | divVerent | and it IS too many questions to solve this by debconf questions :P |
| 16:55.58 | divVerent | even may involve formatting partitions for use by ASM |
| 16:55.59 | kerio | divVerent: apt-get install nginx doesn't yield a working web server |
| 16:56.08 | divVerent | kerio: that is nginx's fault ;) |
| 16:56.10 | divVerent | for Apache this works |
| 16:56.20 | divVerent | it works so well even, it tells you that "It works"! |
| 16:56.27 | kerio | divVerent: apt-get install apache doesn't create my website |
| 16:56.33 | divVerent | no, just a web server |
| 16:56.40 | kerio | and really, would you ever use apache's default config? :) |
| 16:56.43 | divVerent | which is what you asked for :P |
| 16:56.49 | kerio | nginx gives you a default page i thin |
| 16:56.50 | kerio | k |
| 16:56.54 | divVerent | oh, then it does work |
| 16:56.57 | divVerent | and no fault at nginx :P |
| 16:57.08 | divVerent | the package manager's job is done once port 80 is listening and shows SOMETHING :P |
| 16:57.20 | merlin1991 | hm oracle |
| 16:57.34 | divVerent | (or actually, I am split whether the package manager should actually ENABLE services...) |
| 16:57.45 | merlin1991 | still wants to know why running exp for utf8 is so weirdly obscure |
| 16:58.20 | merlin1991 | or why the help argument isn't --help /? -? -h but HELP=Y |
| 16:58.28 | divVerent | ah, THIS exp ;) |
| 16:58.34 | divVerent | yes... HELP=Y is insane |
| 16:58.52 | divVerent | also, did one really HAVE to invent tnsnames.ora? |
| 16:59.01 | divVerent | listener.ora I can understand |
| 16:59.14 | merlin1991 | for utf8 export you need to set the NLS_LANG env properly, no commandline option for exp afaik |
| 16:59.17 | divVerent | but most of what tnsnames.ora does can be handles better e.g. via SRV records |
| 16:59.51 | divVerent | still, that's probably one of the smallest issues with Oracle :P |
| 16:59.57 | divVerent | I mean, it doesn't even really support NULL |
| 17:00.11 | merlin1991 | every time I touch oracle it drives me partly insane |
| 17:00.14 | divVerent | (or it doesn't support the empty string, whichever way you prefer seeing it) |
| 17:00.27 | divVerent | in Oracle, empty string '' and NULL are the same thing... annoying |
| 17:00.40 | divVerent | you don't WANT to know all sorts of workarounds for this we have here at work |
| 17:00.49 | kerio | postgres ftw |
| 17:00.55 | divVerent | e.g. when an empty field was confirmed by the user and thus should stay empty, putting a single space into the database |
| 17:00.58 | divVerent | or stuff similar to that |
| 17:01.12 | kerio | divVerent: how do i distinguish between empty field and single space in the field? |
| 17:01.12 | merlin1991 | also WHY doesn't it suport LIMIT / TOP / something else euqally useable in its sql dialect |
| 17:01.28 | divVerent | SQL language wise, I highly prefer MySQL... it seems the most sane there. But it loses in other areas vs Postgres... |
| 17:01.33 | divVerent | can't even do real partitions... |
| 17:01.47 | divVerent | DROP TABLE dual |
| 17:01.50 | divVerent | now your oracle is fixed ;) |
| 17:01.59 | divVerent | or, rather... REALLY broken |
| 17:02.47 | divVerent | what also annoys me with MySQL is that so many features depend on database type it's not funny any more... situations like |
| 17:02.48 | merlin1991 | I side with kerio |
| 17:02.51 | merlin1991 | postgres ftw :D |
| 17:03.01 | divVerent | "Feature A only works in InnoDB, Feature B only is indexed properly in MyISAM and is slow in InnoDB" |
| 17:03.14 | merlin1991 | divVerent: also mysql is oracle now ;) |
| 17:03.17 | divVerent | yes... MySQL is best SQL-language feature wise, but... |
| 17:03.24 | divVerent | Postgres is the one I'd rather entrust my data to |
| 17:03.27 | divVerent | and also behaves most consistent |
| 17:03.52 | merlin1991 | though the default config on debianfor postgres is funky |
| 17:03.55 | divVerent | merlin1991: one can always use MariaDB instead, which means virtually zero development, but at least keeping a working state :P |
| 17:04.12 | divVerent | also, why is it so hard for ALL these DBs to authenticate by unix users? |
| 17:04.18 | merlin1991 | prints whole sql statements to log on every error/warning/whatever |
| 17:04.20 | divVerent | why do we NEED database passwords, when we access it only locally anyway |
| 17:04.21 | kerio | divVerent: eeeeew |
| 17:04.29 | merlin1991 | divVerent: postgres does it ;) |
| 17:04.30 | divVerent | unix sockets exist. Server can query user ID of client. |
| 17:04.37 | kerio | ah yes |
| 17:04.59 | divVerent | and yes, I quite like CGI/suexec for hosting different sites... each site/software on a separate user ID is quite a good thing |
| 17:05.28 | divVerent | so if one site is hacked, it doesn't automatically get access to data of all the others |
| 17:05.52 | divVerent | like PHP, exploit web server with PHP, now recursively search for config.inc files... voila, LOTS of database accounts... |
| 17:05.53 | kerio | >i quite like cgi |
| 17:05.55 | kerio | what the hell |
| 17:05.59 | divVerent | CGI's main issue is TEH SLOW |
| 17:06.04 | divVerent | due to recreating the process all the time |
| 17:06.10 | divVerent | FastCGI solves that, and still can be su'd :P |
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| 17:06.33 | kerio | nginx reverse proxying to a twisted.web.server |
| 17:06.47 | divVerent | using twisted in production? THAT is... funny |
| 17:07.23 | divVerent | hm... apparently it IS production grade now, so why not |
| 17:07.35 | merlin1991 | hm ngnic proxy for gunicorn |
| 17:07.40 | merlin1991 | way more fun ;) |
| 17:07.53 | kerio | ooh, plenty of CVEs for xen |
| 17:08.05 | divVerent | oh no |
| 17:08.09 | divVerent | that means SPAM |
| 17:08.14 | divVerent | once I get the Red Hat messages... |
| 17:08.27 | divVerent | we use RHEL at work and I have a RH account... so let's see when I will get the spam :P |
| 17:08.47 | kerio | divVerent: here's the debian alert: https://lwn.net/Articles/541051/ |
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| 17:09.19 | divVerent | well, we don't use RHEL |
| 17:09.26 | kerio | centos? |
| 17:09.29 | divVerent | I mean |
| 17:09.31 | divVerent | don't use Xen |
| 17:09.33 | divVerent | we use RHEL |
| 17:09.38 | divVerent | well, we ALMOST don't use Xen |
| 17:09.55 | divVerent | a certain supplier accidentally installed Xen on the production servers they made |
| 17:10.01 | divVerent | as in, used the Xen kernel |
| 17:10.24 | merlin1991 | let me guess the server got sanctioned "done" and kernel shall not be changed anymore |
| 17:10.41 | divVerent | it is in production |
| 17:10.52 | divVerent | and they compiled a custom kernel module for the kernel |
| 17:10.56 | divVerent | so it's kinda hard to fix it NOW :( |
| 17:11.25 | divVerent | there's currently an email fight to get them to supply kernel module sources or a module compiled for the standard kernel |
| 17:11.43 | merlin1991 | heh, image, rebuild locally, test, scp, reboot to complete system failure |
| 17:12.28 | merlin1991 | dafuq? kernel module wihout sources? |
| 17:12.48 | freemangordon | merlin1991: yep, why? |
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| 17:13.53 | merlin1991 | don't you need to move your funky closed code somewehre else and make a gpl "proxy" to stay compliant with the kernel gpl? |
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| 17:44.43 | freemangordon | merlin1991: AFAIK you can just taint the kernel |
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| 17:46.51 | divVerent | as for module without source: in a work contract that is legall |
| 17:47.32 | freemangordon | merlin1991: check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loadable_kernel_module, "License issues" |
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| 19:55.43 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: hey, are you there ? |
| 19:56.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, sorry. Busy. So if it's more than a short answer to a short question, better try later to pick me up |
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| 19:57.28 | XATRIX | Yep, ok |
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| 20:58.17 | freemangordon | jacekowski: ping |
| 21:08.56 | jacekowski | freemangordon: pong |
| 21:11.47 | freemangordon | jacekowski: I wanted to ask what should I add to sources.list in order to use your repo, but already figured it out. :) |
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| 21:59.19 | sardini | hello |
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| 22:27.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | [notice] seems repository is down. We (maemo tech staff) can't access the machine serving it. We contacted Nemein support to fix the issue |
| 22:28.58 | sixwheeledbeast | it's been down for ~18 hours I assumed it was known? |
| 22:29.16 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, it is even worse with linux desktop: lennart (red hat) killed udev and canonical trying to kill X server and wayland |
| 22:29.52 | Pali | canonical creating poettering like display server |
| 22:30.05 | Skry | lennart has been busy indeed |
| 22:30.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: nah, we don't monitor "old" infra that closely anymore, since tech staff is more than busy fixing shit on *new* infra |
| 22:30.29 | Pali | with android's compatibility for binary blobs |
| 22:30.43 | Pali | way to the hell |
| 22:33.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: :-(( |
| 22:34.37 | Pali | and even worse canonical doing on their display server (replacement for X) for more months behind closed doors |
| 22:34.41 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: thought I'd mention the IP for r.m.o isn't the same as on the wiki page. |
| 22:35.32 | sixwheeledbeast | r.m.o = .205 but on wiki is .203 |
| 22:35.50 | warfare | sixwheeledbeast: we can't access DNS yet, so we could not migrate services to new infrastructure yet. Which was good, because we got hit by a strage Xen/Kernel bug today.. |
| 22:35.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | while for around a decade and more it's been the topmost goal to make linux compatible with other unixes, it's now a fsckng "we're linux, what do we care about anybody else (except microsoft and windows), we define our own standards" |
| 22:38.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: thanks, that wiki info is outdated, since we / Nemein reassigne r.m.o to stage |
| 22:39.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | stage is .205 |
| 22:39.21 | sixwheeledbeast | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.27 | Skry | I believe one reason too is the "new" blood in developers, lot of them coming from Windows to *buntu having no ideological, ethical, historical or whatsoever relation to anything unix-like. Then there are corporations who do what they want. |
| 22:40.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: thanks for mentioning it |
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| 22:45.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: fixed |
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| 22:46.35 | Macer | got my $30 prepaid sim heh |
| 22:46.38 | Macer | nice |
| 22:46.42 | sixwheeledbeast | ta |
| 22:47.09 | Macer | i still cant receive txts yet :( |
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| 22:48.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders *when* that dns change been done by Nokia |
| 22:49.04 | sixwheeledbeast | Macer: why |
| 22:49.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems you can find mirrors/archives/logs for virtually everything in the interweb, just not for DNS |
| 22:50.22 | Macer | sixwheeledbeast: they said it was from just activating it |
| 22:50.31 | Macer | and i have to wait a couple of hours |
| 22:50.58 | Macer | i guess since i xfered the number from att? who knows |
| 22:51.03 | Macer | makes no sense to me |
| 22:51.40 | sixwheeledbeast | normally send an outgoing text and the sim is active (in UK) |
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| 23:08.05 | sixwheeledbeast | gn all |
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