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| 00:02.27 | r00t^home | <DocScrutinizer05> r00t^home: gconftool -R /|less <--- thanks! but i asked for fs location becuse i need to restore it from an fs-level backup |
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| 00:04.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess the correct way is to check the gconf schemata then, the pragmatic way probably is grep |
| 00:08.14 | r00t^home | yeah... |
| 00:08.39 | r00t^home | just grepping for the password isn't easy if i don't know the password ;) |
| 00:08.52 | r00t^home | i'll just hope that changing the password at the provider will eventually work |
| 00:09.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, you find the password with my orgininal suggestion |
| 00:09.41 | r00t^home | but it probably won't store the password unless it's correct... |
| 00:10.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68063 |
| 00:10.27 | r00t^home | thanks, thanks... |
| 00:10.45 | r00t^home | but it's not urgend anymore, i already solved the problem at hand by walking over ;) |
| 00:10.48 | r00t^home | *urgent |
| 00:12.28 | RST38h | ...SCP-1902 is capable of communication by shaping portions of its mass into rough approximations of characters in Japanese, although it is capable of understanding all languages tested thus far. |
| 00:17.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh! |
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| 04:42.54 | DHR | I just picked up another n800. What's the best firmware to put on it these days? |
| 04:43.32 | Luke-Jr | trash bin |
| 04:43.45 | DHR | that's where I got it from. |
| 04:43.58 | Luke-Jr | also where it belongs |
| 04:43.59 | Luke-Jr | :/ |
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| 04:56.20 | sombragris | hi.. good afternoon |
| 04:56.36 | sombragris | I'm having trouble browsing some packages at maemo.org |
| 04:58.55 | sombragris | for example, when browsing extras-testing-devel |
| 04:59.05 | sombragris | using a web browser |
| 04:59.23 | sombragris | I can get up to page 39 (letter L of packages) |
| 04:59.38 | sombragris | however, page 40 gives an empty response. |
| 04:59.46 | sombragris | i.e., this URL: http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/?org_openpsa_qbpager_packages_in_repo_page=40 |
| 04:59.56 | sombragris | any suggestions? hints? |
| 04:59.59 | sombragris | thanks :) |
| 05:00.39 | thedead1440 | sombragris: why not browse via repository.maemo.org? |
| 05:00.42 | thedead1440 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/ |
| 05:00.59 | thedead1440 | or is it because you want to read description of each package? |
| 05:02.21 | sombragris | thedead1440: you got it. I'm browsing trying to get a gist of some packages. I'm hunting especially for twitter clients and presence notifications |
| 05:02.40 | sombragris | anyway, thanks for the suggestion. Will keep that in mind |
| 05:02.52 | sombragris | however, the issue still stands. I cannot get to page 40 |
| 05:03.07 | thedead1440 | i've reported the issue to the sysadmins; since its basically early morning in EU it may take a few hours but they'll look into it |
| 05:03.17 | sombragris | great |
| 05:03.21 | sombragris | thank you |
| 05:03.24 | thedead1440 | np |
| 05:03.28 | sombragris | you know |
| 05:03.35 | sombragris | I bought a N900 last week |
| 05:03.38 | sombragris | brand new |
| 05:03.49 | sombragris | lost mine last April and always wanted another one |
| 05:03.50 | thedead1440 | that's nice :) |
| 05:03.54 | thedead1440 | oh |
| 05:04.08 | sombragris | so... i'm looking to rebuild my environment |
| 05:04.38 | thedead1440 | for twitter i think the clients that work are the tweetian backport and twimgo |
| 05:04.47 | sombragris | the migration issues put some bumps on that road but I really appreciate the enormous effort people are doing with that |
| 05:05.05 | sombragris | will look into tweetian. |
| 05:05.08 | thedead1440 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88248 |
| 05:05.15 | thedead1440 | try the backport on post #5 of the thread |
| 05:05.27 | thedead1440 | its alpha but looks quite promising |
| 05:06.09 | sombragris | as for twimgo, the libqtm11 requirement is blacklisted. Can't get around it. |
| 05:06.17 | sombragris | my N900 skills are all rusty now |
| 05:06.19 | sombragris | :P |
| 05:06.36 | thedead1440 | tweego by merlin1991 seems ok too: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1285988&postcount=459 |
| 05:06.42 | sombragris | I used to use TweeGo back in the day but now it cannot login |
| 05:06.51 | thedead1440 | oh due to API issues |
| 05:06.57 | sombragris | running from the console it echoes a 404 |
| 05:07.00 | sombragris | :S |
| 05:07.22 | thedead1440 | merlin1991 says on the post that he would update the api to v1.1 as it expired this month but i wonder if he has come around to actually doing it |
| 05:07.29 | sombragris | problem is I need to manage two or three accounts, with two or three searches |
| 05:07.45 | sombragris | let hope he does. I didn't see any update, neither in testing or devel |
| 05:08.06 | sombragris | so far the best stuff I've seen is tweed suite, but it's single use |
| 05:08.10 | sombragris | single-user, sorry |
| 05:08.51 | thedead1440 | yeah auto-builder is broken since somewhile so updated packages are not pushed thru... Maybe later when merlin1991 is around you can ask him if he plans to update TweeGo :) |
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| 05:09.21 | sombragris | anyway. N900 has that thing. It spoils you. Even with these bumps you simply cannot settle down for something else |
| 05:09.27 | sombragris | :P |
| 05:09.29 | sombragris | ok |
| 05:09.32 | thedead1440 | :D |
| 05:09.49 | sombragris | thedead1440: thank you for the advice. Very useful. Will take that into account. |
| 05:09.56 | thedead1440 | np ;) |
| 05:10.28 | sombragris | bye now. it's 02.10 (am) here and I need to hit the sheets. ttyl |
| 05:10.37 | thedead1440 | good night |
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| 12:16.13 | XATRIX | Good morning guys! :) |
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| 12:16.56 | Estel_ | (about discussion from yesterday) can someone explain me, why, precisely, COBS > autobuilder idea was abandoned? |
| 12:17.40 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05 said "Nokia pulled plug on it", but I've though that HiFo isn't now forced to follow what nokia said? |
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| 12:18.22 | Estel_ | I just wonder if there is any sense at all in working on bringing autobuilder back again, especially, that almost no one gest his internals, and X-Fade is MIA |
| 12:18.46 | jacekowski | i do |
| 12:18.55 | jacekowski | i've built my own autobuilder |
| 12:19.04 | Estel_ | nice! so please, fix it for maemo ;) |
| 12:19.16 | Estel_ | they will welcome you with open arms |
| 12:19.17 | jacekowski | with a bit of x-fade help on what is used in maemo autobuilder |
| 12:19.25 | Estel_ | thats the point. |
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| 12:19.41 | Estel_ | maemo autobuilder is snafu |
| 12:19.50 | jacekowski | but that was mostly because i wanted to have similiar setup |
| 12:20.16 | jacekowski | what is the problem with it exactly? |
| 12:20.27 | Estel_ | I just wonder, a tiny bit ;) if it could be sane, to redirect people that could be working in autobuilder, into setting up cobs instead, precisely, finishing work on it |
| 12:20.56 | Estel_ | at this point, it doesn't matter if it will take 2 months or half of a year - ETA for autobuilder getting online is equally unknown |
| 12:21.08 | jacekowski | my autobuilder is exactly same as maemo, only difference was repository management |
| 12:21.09 | Estel_ | jacekowski, ask DocScrutinizer05 |
| 12:21.12 | Estel_ | I see |
| 12:21.23 | Estel_ | well, DocScrutinizer05 ^ |
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| 12:22.15 | Estel_ | jacekowski, from my very limited knowledge, at some point, autobuilder started to generate wrong hashsums (or stopped regenerating itj for new packages. Oldest confirmed package with such problem is from 10.2012 |
| 12:22.28 | Estel_ | then, web interface stopped working, but scp was available |
| 12:22.37 | Estel_ | later, everything stopped qworking all-together ;) |
| 12:22.55 | jacekowski | wrong hashsums |
| 12:22.56 | Estel_ | for techynical details, ask people who have access to it, DocScrutinizer05 should know smth about i |
| 12:22.59 | Estel_ | it* |
| 12:23.04 | jacekowski | i thought i was just a problem that key has expired |
| 12:23.10 | Estel_ | jacekowski, nope |
| 12:23.11 | jacekowski | it* |
| 12:23.19 | XATRIX | Which A-GPS serve is more preferable ? |
| 12:23.27 | XATRIX | I don't think supl.nokia.com is running |
| 12:23.29 | Estel_ | XATRIX, supl.google.com, sadly |
| 12:23.31 | jacekowski | which would make all the hashsums incorrect |
| 12:23.39 | Estel_ | jacekowski, hm? |
| 12:23.56 | Estel_ | interesting, but not all hashes are wrong |
| 12:24.00 | Estel_ | but |
| 12:24.07 | Estel_ | maybe only onesa since key expired? |
| 12:24.12 | jacekowski | yep |
| 12:24.51 | Estel_ | no idea, I'm just shotting into the wild, please stay tuned for merlin1991 or DocScrutinizer05 apperance, if you could help with autobuilder, it would be useful to the point of blessing |
| 12:25.21 | jacekowski | although, the problem here is, that even if you generate new key |
| 12:25.26 | jacekowski | phones will not trust it |
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| 12:27.52 | XATRIX | Once again, can you tell me the good list of repos i have to setup on my device ? I mean ,that repos i can safely hold always enabled ? |
| 12:27.53 | Estel_ | jacekowski, can be fixed by abusing cssu, probably |
| 12:28.01 | XATRIX | From where i can update |
| 12:28.05 | Estel_ | XATRIX, none at the moment ;) |
| 12:28.08 | Estel_ | otherwise |
| 12:28.10 | Estel_ | ~mirrors |
| 12:28.10 | infobot | i heard mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error |
| 12:28.12 | XATRIX | O_O |
| 12:28.21 | Estel_ | (to keep enabled always) |
| 12:28.23 | XATRIX | Which of i can trust ? |
| 12:28.26 | Estel_ | (=none) |
| 12:28.36 | XATRIX | Khm....Khm.. |
| 12:28.36 | Estel_ | well, if you trust merlin1991, use his repos |
| 12:28.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: Estel_ summarized it pretty correctly |
| 12:28.56 | Estel_ | is surprised - no irony, just got little to no knowledge here |
| 12:29.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: right now builder VM is up but totally dysfunct |
| 12:29.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and we actually have NFC what's up with it |
| 12:29.52 | XATRIX | What's the difference between community-testing/devel and Extras-testing/devel ? |
| 12:30.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: we have a maintainer for repo which is merlin1991, we got *nobody* in community with a faintest clue about autobuilder |
| 12:31.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: if you would consider to help, pretty please step up, we'd appreciate any help you can give. I can grant access to autobuilder VM for you |
| 12:32.09 | jacekowski | i don't have time to do it today |
| 12:32.18 | jacekowski | but i'm happy to help tomorrow |
| 12:32.24 | kerio | we could just make a new autobuilder |
| 12:32.26 | Estel_ | haha. It's not about today, it's about at all ;) |
| 12:32.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | any time you want :-) |
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| 12:33.10 | Estel_ | but, it would be useful to create access to VM nevertheless, yep? after all, tomorrow is just after today |
| 12:33.17 | Estel_ | blinks |
| 12:36.24 | jacekowski | i just have to finish a program that has to be ready last friday |
| 12:36.45 | jacekowski | but i was given the spec for it today |
| 12:37.02 | Estel_ | sounds familliar ;) |
| 12:40.38 | XATRIX | Is it ok to install "h-e-n (USB hostmode GUI) ? |
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| 12:45.03 | XATRIX | Also QCPUFreq - to enable Smartreflex and clock to 250-800 mhz |
| 12:45.27 | Estel_ | I would skip qcpufreq |
| 12:45.35 | Estel_ | for rest, search TMO |
| 12:45.48 | Estel_ | btw both assume that you have kernel-power |
| 12:46.06 | Estel_ | better use kp52 from first post of kp51 thread (yea, sounds logical, I know...) |
| 12:46.44 | Estel_ | due to kp52 being release rewady, but no way to release it, with autobuilder down |
| 12:46.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: h-e-n is ok |
| 12:47.12 | XATRIX | Estel_: why don't you lile qcpufreq ? |
| 12:47.16 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: ok |
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| 12:47.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~oc |
| 12:47.27 | infobot | i heard oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s |
| 12:47.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~omap-oc |
| 12:47.35 | infobot | well, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 |
| 12:47.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~verclocking |
| 12:47.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~overclocking |
| 12:47.48 | infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" |
| 12:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | or in short: despite widely used by those who think it's "1337", OC is deprecated |
| 12:50.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | and smartreflex I already elaborated yesterday(?), it's probably not doing much since our kernel is doing same in software what SR does in hw, and it's deprecated by Nokia/TI(?) for introducing instabilities to at least some devices |
| 12:51.50 | SpeedEvil | sr did improve battery life somewhat when I tried it. back when it was enabled |
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| 12:52.03 | SpeedEvil | but some may indeed unstable |
| 12:53.53 | teotwaki | Testacular - Spectacular Test Runner for JavaScript |
| 12:54.00 | teotwaki | Fantastic name. |
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| 13:06.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | almost as good as fapman |
| 13:16.23 | XATRIX | What can you advice me to install to be able to dynamically overclock/downclock my CPU + smartreflex ? |
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| 13:27.55 | XATRIX | Is it a good idea to place a thing, that will show my current battery level in percentage or whatever ? |
| 13:28.07 | XATRIX | Will it drain more energy ? |
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| 13:47.57 | XATRIX | ? |
| 13:49.56 | XATRIX | HAM is freaking sloooooow!! :( |
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| 14:12.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | orly? |
| 14:13.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: adbice: do not mess with cpuclock and SR |
| 14:14.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | showing current batterylevel is useless for more than what battery statusbar applet already shows you |
| 14:14.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, it most likely will drain additional energy from bat just for showing redundant info |
| 14:14.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | some of those desktop applets are notorious for doing so |
| 14:15.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAM gets the slower, the more large repositories you got enabled |
| 14:15.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | with extras-devel it takes ~7min to build initial screen |
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| 14:16.13 | edheldil | ... and 7 minutes again each timeyou actually do anything |
| 14:16.59 | XATRIX | :( crap |
| 14:18.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | originally they planned to name it "zen-teacher" ;-) |
| 14:19.00 | XATRIX | Why are you so against SR and oclock ? |
| 14:19.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | because it's useless and may cause instabilities and damage |
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| 14:20.28 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, HAM is slow, period. |
| 14:20.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.h HAM could probably get speed up to 6 instead of 7 min, at cost of your device defect after 500h instead of 10000h |
| 14:20.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. |
| 14:21.06 | Hurrian | it could be argued that it's best used only for 1) initial setup of Extras-* repos, and 2) system upgrades |
| 14:21.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and according to my former explanations that our kernel does cpu clock and voltage regulation in sw, SR is probably absolutely useless |
| 14:21.42 | kerio | uses it for neither of those |
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| 14:22.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you probably shouldn't join discussions when it comes to teaching newcomers how to use N900 |
| 14:23.27 | kerio | goes back in his corner, quietly sobbing |
| 14:23.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're trying to teach how to do a wheely to a bike learner |
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| 14:25.33 | XATRIX | You think overclock of ARM harms the SoC ? |
| 14:25.44 | XATRIX | It's not a usual overvoltage clocking |
| 14:25.48 | XATRIX | It's a softclock |
| 14:26.11 | XATRIX | Like if i would rise the multiplier of Intel/AMD CPUs |
| 14:26.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | overclocking of OMAP *massively* reduces expected lifespan |
| 14:26.33 | XATRIX | I'm not clocking the system bus |
| 14:26.40 | XATRIX | Hm |
| 14:26.42 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: don't we have a datasheet regarding that? |
| 14:26.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~omap-oc |
| 14:26.52 | infobot | somebody said omap-oc was http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 |
| 14:27.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | second link |
| 14:27.45 | Hurrian | XATRIX: electromigration, etc. |
| 14:29.14 | XATRIX | Hurrian: maybe i say bullshit, but it's not a cell , to accumulate electrons... |
| 14:29.17 | XATRIX | IMHO |
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| 14:31.19 | Hurrian | XATRIX: well, whatever you want to do with your device, we're not stopping you. It /is/ the N900 after all. |
| 14:31.41 | Hurrian | Just don't come running to the forums when 3 = 1 + 1. |
| 14:32.07 | kerio | or, more likely, when SIGSEGV |
| 14:32.09 | XATRIX | I think all of the ARM7 CPUs are the same... The same core... The difference is only in a percent of so called 'bad' CPUs on a market |
| 14:32.15 | kerio | SIGSEGV ALL THE THINGS |
| 14:32.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | all OCing is usually worthless anyway, since bottleneck is RAM (or lack of) and swapping |
| 14:32.37 | XATRIX | The all can run at the highest clock, but all can give different results, depending on how 'clean' was it built |
| 14:32.47 | jaska | and.. completely awful code (ham) |
| 14:33.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: that's definitely not true |
| 14:33.38 | XATRIX | Hm , sure ? |
| 14:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | they get selected at fab |
| 14:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | so called binning |
| 14:33.59 | Hurrian | XATRIX: ARMv7 Cortex-A8 is most definitely not the same with Cortex-A15 ;) |
| 14:34.07 | XATRIX | Yes, the most broken costs cheap, the better costs higher |
| 14:34.44 | XATRIX | Hurrian: nope, i mean just for example, AMD Athlon 3200+ = AMD Athlon 5600+ |
| 14:35.06 | XATRIX | But 3200 has much more 'broken' transisters |
| 14:35.24 | Hurrian | XATRIX: To take from your example, it's like unlocking shaders on a recent Radeon card. |
| 14:35.41 | Hurrian | If you do happen to unlock shaders on a partially-defective Radeon, it's bricked. |
| 14:35.47 | jaska | so, they effectively sell people trashbin-quality omaps <.< |
| 14:35.55 | XATRIX | I forgot the word, for a term. The 'way' on machinery plant, where the cars are built |
| 14:36.19 | XATRIX | Hurrian: Sure, that's what i'm talking about ! Like with shaders! |
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| 14:36.41 | XATRIX | It's just the same GPU as the top most. |
| 14:37.01 | Hurrian | well, uhh, yeah, see, the problem is, 600 MHz is pretty near the top of line line OMAP 34xx series SoCs TI was shipping at the time |
| 14:37.24 | XATRIX | But it has locked shader 'faclilities' |
| 14:37.37 | Hurrian | the only one higher than that is the slightly later-manufactured OMAP 35xx series, the highest of which are 720 something MHz |
| 14:37.50 | Hurrian | *note: OMAP 34xx = 35xx. |
| 14:38.02 | XATRIX | Maybe, i don't know :( |
| 14:38.16 | Hurrian | XATRIX: They're definitely not made to go at 1GHz, although they can do so. |
| 14:38.53 | Hurrian | It's like redlining an engine - you can do so, still won't stop your engine knocking after a few hours of doing so. |
| 14:39.28 | jaska | i remember old celeron 266:s (without L2 cache), they would go 266->400 without a fan, 266->450 if you add a small fan, and i had one running for about a decade |
| 14:39.56 | XATRIX | yea |
| 14:40.19 | XATRIX | I have OCed my Phenom II 965 3.4Ghz to 3.8 (each core) |
| 14:40.43 | XATRIX | So, my approx profit is ~+1.5Ghz |
| 14:41.04 | jaska | well, cant really count that way.. % |
| 14:41.04 | XATRIX | And it will not go down earlier then i will upgrade my PC :) |
| 14:41.20 | XATRIX | s/then/than |
| 14:41.30 | Hurrian | XATRIX: performance gain on overclocked processors isn't linear, though |
| 14:41.42 | XATRIX | Hurrian: as i said, apporximately :) |
| 14:41.54 | jaska | memory is still awfully slow on modern pcs |
| 14:42.27 | XATRIX | Yep |
| 14:42.29 | Hurrian | jaska: 3000 MHz DDR3 isn't cheap. |
| 14:43.00 | XATRIX | + 30-45% price for ECC |
| 14:43.16 | XATRIX | Btw, is it ok, to install kernel-module-ntfs ? |
| 14:43.37 | Hurrian | XATRIX: use ntfs-3g instead. Also, who uses ECC on a desktop system? |
| 14:43.52 | jaska | i used to use ecc on desktops until they made it require a xeon :( |
| 14:44.11 | XATRIX | Noone, but who mentioned a desktop system talking about DDR3 , last minute ? :) |
| 14:44.20 | Hurrian | I'm running a Nehalem Xeon, but I can't be assed to put down that much dosh on ECC RAM. |
| 14:44.59 | jaska | dunno how much 64 gigs of ddr3 ecc is. |
| 14:45.28 | Hurrian | jaska: Well, a regular 1x8GB DDR3 DIMM is $50. |
| 14:45.49 | Hurrian | So, 1x8GB of DDR3 ECC should be around $80 or so. |
| 14:45.57 | jaska | i paid around 500 eur for 8x8 of ddr3-2133 |
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| 14:46.33 | Hurrian | jaska: Corsair Dominator Platinums? |
| 14:46.41 | jaska | nah, some kingston set |
| 14:46.48 | XATRIX | Kingston Value RAM ) |
| 14:46.49 | Hurrian | Damn, that's expensive. |
| 14:46.54 | jaska | hyperx something |
| 14:47.12 | XATRIX | I don't think Kingston is a bad RAM |
| 14:47.22 | XATRIX | It's quite good enough |
| 14:47.23 | Hurrian | jaska: HyperX blu? |
| 14:47.38 | jaska | beast or somesuch |
| 14:48.09 | Hurrian | speaking of ValueRAM, I need to buy 4x4GB of DIMMs for my system. |
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| 14:48.46 | Hurrian | Really don't feel like paying twice that for 3x8GB of DIMMs. |
| 14:49.31 | jaska | i wish i could get more ram on the n900 :( |
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| 14:49.52 | XATRIX | Re-solder it |
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| 14:50.17 | Hurrian | XATRIX: You haven't seen how thin that POP RAM is, have you |
| 14:50.43 | XATRIX | No |
| 14:51.11 | Hurrian | It's like three A4 sheets stacked. |
| 14:51.43 | Hurrian | Oh, and you have to be extra careful not to scratch or let any solder on the core in the middle, under the RAM. |
| 14:52.50 | jaska | the amount of memory bugs me far more than the low clockspeed |
| 14:53.18 | XATRIX | You don't have to |
| 14:53.26 | XATRIX | Use the hi-temp fan |
| 14:53.56 | XATRIX | Warm it from the other side, and put the chip from the top |
| 14:54.06 | XATRIX | It will fit as it was there from the beginning ;) |
| 15:03.11 | Drathir | ddr2 is a nightmare prices :/ |
| 15:03.15 | Drathir | hi all |
| 15:03.39 | XATRIX | Yea :) |
| 15:03.56 | XATRIX | It's even more expensive than DDRI |
| 15:04.05 | XATRIX | What memory chips is in N900 ? |
| 15:04.54 | Drathir | yea more strange that ppl and shops should sold it not keep them with high prices :/ |
| 15:06.03 | Drathir | i have ddr2 motherboard and hunting to "human" ddr2 prices... |
| 15:06.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the point is that SoCs / OMAP seems to behave different than desktop PC CPU |
| 15:06.42 | Drathir | XATRIX: nand flash 256? |
| 15:07.14 | XATRIX | Yea |
| 15:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's already "Overclocked" by fab settings allowing it to go to 600MHz |
| 15:07.21 | XATRIX | Is it DDR2 or 3 ? |
| 15:08.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's been a warning from Nokia engineer that you MUST NOT lock it to 600MHz even, otherwise you will fry the N900 |
| 15:08.11 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: heh... the initial clock was ~0 Mhz ? ;) |
| 15:08.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, the stabdard sustained max clock is 500MHz |
| 15:08.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | standard |
| 15:09.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | 600 is already "overclocking" it, which is only used for busts |
| 15:09.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | bursts* |
| 15:09.41 | XATRIX | It's not so fast to call it "bursts" |
| 15:09.52 | RST38h | for this cpu it is |
| 15:10.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | it reduces lifetime of chip to 15% of original design lifetime |
| 15:10.18 | Drathir | sad that nokia cant make chips radiators from phone cover :p |
| 15:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | lifetime of CPU @ 500MHz = 100%, @600 = 15% !!! |
| 15:11.09 | Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thats freq :/ |
| 15:11.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | guess what it is @800, or even at 1000 |
| 15:11.33 | jacekowski | BB runs at higher frequencies |
| 15:11.38 | Drathir | i hear thatlife is smaller but why that dramatically? |
| 15:11.49 | jacekowski | with exactly same chips |
| 15:12.02 | jacekowski | with just bit more rigorous selection |
| 15:12.16 | XATRIX | I respect you're experience, and always note what you say. But touching the 600 = 15% - i don't believe it |
| 15:12.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | different binning |
| 15:12.41 | jacekowski | 15% seems bit drastic |
| 15:12.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: well, that's what is clearly stated in datasheet |
| 15:12.55 | jacekowski | bb is running at 800 iirc |
| 15:13.04 | XATRIX | It's not goes overvolt, it doesn't provide too much Watts for +100Mhz.. It can't be almost dead at the beginning |
| 15:13.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~omap-oc |
| 15:13.09 | infobot | rumour has it, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 |
| 15:13.20 | XATRIX | I was rinning 800, and still looks good enough |
| 15:13.21 | jacekowski | XATRIX: +100Mhz means a lot more current |
| 15:13.40 | jacekowski | XATRIX: current depends on switching frequency |
| 15:13.47 | XATRIX | jacekowski: current != voltage |
| 15:13.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.57 | jacekowski | XATRIX: more current == more power |
| 15:14.05 | jacekowski | as in, more watts |
| 15:14.09 | XATRIX | negative |
| 15:14.16 | jacekowski | P=UI |
| 15:14.26 | jacekowski | if I increases P increases |
| 15:14.29 | jacekowski | because U stays constant |
| 15:14.42 | XATRIX | I had my Centrino processor, it gave 25W @1.6Ghz. I have my next one 2.13 also gave 25W |
| 15:14.51 | XATRIX | The same voltages |
| 15:15.03 | jacekowski | different processors |
| 15:15.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | but different devices |
| 15:15.21 | Drathir | architecture of chip also make big difference |
| 15:15.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why the select/bin chips at fab |
| 15:15.33 | Drathir | arch in nm |
| 15:15.39 | jacekowski | in typical FET device there is a small "capacitor" inside each transistor |
| 15:16.05 | jacekowski | that capacitor has to be charged/discharged and that's where the heat comes from |
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| 15:16.13 | jacekowski | if you increase frequency you increases losses there |
| 15:16.21 | jacekowski | and you increase switching loses |
| 15:16.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok sorry, I've been wrong |
| 15:16.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not 15% but 20% |
| 15:16.50 | jacekowski | so let's say at 500MHz you have 5W of power |
| 15:16.55 | Drathir | lol bad DocScrutinizer05 bad :p |
| 15:16.58 | XATRIX | Maybe 100%-20% = 80% lifetime, i can agree |
| 15:17.01 | Drathir | joke ofc |
| 15:17.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 15:17.06 | jacekowski | at 600Mhz you will have at least 6W |
| 15:17.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's 50k DOWN *TO* 10k |
| 15:17.30 | XATRIX | jacekowski: yes, that makes sens |
| 15:17.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOT down *by* 10k |
| 15:17.44 | jacekowski | in practice it will be more like 6.5-7W |
| 15:18.03 | XATRIX | Yes, the overhead Watts |
| 15:18.12 | jacekowski | once you reach chip limits power increases a lot more due to other effects |
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| 15:18.27 | XATRIX | As i actually told |
| 15:18.41 | XATRIX | But it still can't be 10% lifetime went down from 100% |
| 15:18.45 | jacekowski | yes it can |
| 15:18.55 | XATRIX | just with 10%overclock |
| 15:19.05 | jacekowski | it's not 10% |
| 15:19.08 | jacekowski | it's 20% overclock |
| 15:19.25 | jacekowski | and it's worst case scenario |
| 15:19.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | if your steel rope cam lift 1000kg at 20°C and 800kg at 500°C, how much can it lift at 1000°C? |
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| 15:19.49 | XATRIX | 50 ? |
| 15:19.53 | jaska | 0 |
| 15:20.02 | jacekowski | depends |
| 15:20.03 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: 600 kg |
| 15:20.15 | jacekowski | before it melts |
| 15:22.15 | jacekowski | and 10k hours is still around a year |
| 15:23.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but then, that's without any overclocking as they call that nonsense |
| 15:23.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | how much will that rope lift at 1200°C? |
| 15:24.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | at 1400°, 1500° ? |
| 15:24.50 | jacekowski | you said 10k hours at 600Mhz |
| 15:25.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | we have official numbers that tell us 500MHz->600MHz == 100%->20% lifetime |
| 15:25.39 | jacekowski | which is still perfectly acceptable considering that phone will sleep more than 70% of the time |
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| 15:25.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | up to you to guess what it will be for 800Mhz |
| 15:25.59 | jacekowski | so in reality it means 3 years in worst case scenario |
| 15:26.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even 1000Mhz which some "leete overclockers" suggest would work "just fine for everybody" |
| 15:27.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | bottom line: OC is deprecated and usually not worth it |
| 15:28.49 | jacekowski | and if let's say we could do 1h at 1GHz |
| 15:29.06 | jacekowski | it's probably going to last longer if we run for 1s at a time at 1GHz |
| 15:29.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *could* figure a specially patched mplayer that overclocks to 800 for very short periods of time, occasionally, to avoid framedropping during complex transitions of encoding |
| 15:29.28 | jacekowski | so 1s sleep 1s 1Ghz is probably going to last longer than 1h |
| 15:29.45 | eccerr0r | a lot of this is statistical, I overclocked two celeron 300's to 450MHz. One of which is pretty much dead after around 3 years. Other one is still perfectly fine but... still long since obsolete. YMMV. I never knew the omap was so fragile... |
| 15:30.19 | jacekowski | eccerr0r: those devices are pushed quite far and have no heatsinking at all |
| 15:30.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | eccerr0r: again, we're not talking about celeron but about OMAP, and the figures as of above are hard numbers from datasheet |
| 15:31.49 | jacekowski | bear in mind that TI will cover their ass |
| 15:32.07 | jacekowski | and that number probably means that after 10k hours 1 device have failed |
| 15:32.18 | eccerr0r | if reliability drops *that* quickly... must be something that intel does and ti does not... :\ |
| 15:32.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, 17 of 1000 |
| 15:32.51 | jacekowski | that number doesn't mean a lot unless we can get full distribution |
| 15:33.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's about embedded, eccerr0r |
| 15:33.05 | jacekowski | because it may be that 90% of devices will last 30k hours at 600MHz |
| 15:33.09 | eccerr0r | the question is... what about samsung and other chips. |
| 15:33.11 | jacekowski | eccerr0r: same |
| 15:33.16 | eccerr0r | err... manufacturers. |
| 15:33.19 | kerio | embedded is a whole different bag of BS |
| 15:33.41 | eccerr0r | i should overclock my atom chip and see when it will die |
| 15:33.50 | jacekowski | eccerr0r: for ARM normal "idle" temperature is around 60C when running |
| 15:33.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | the whole chip is smaler than celeron die |
| 15:34.06 | jacekowski | eccerr0r: and when you load it it's twice as much |
| 15:34.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 15:34.28 | jacekowski | which causes thermall stresses that don't help |
| 15:34.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 15:34.46 | jacekowski | and then you have electromigration |
| 15:34.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki electromigration |
| 15:35.20 | jacekowski | celeron running at 450MHz will have reasonably stable temperature |
| 15:35.46 | jacekowski | and those chips used to be made in much bigger process |
| 15:35.56 | jaska | the l2-cacheless old celeron was a slug without the oc :) |
| 15:37.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: so again, do not OC! it's not as leete as you might think |
| 15:37.16 | kerio | my n900 can't get to 850 |
| 15:37.22 | XATRIX | Alright, i won't |
| 15:37.32 | kerio | i think |
| 15:37.43 | XATRIX | kerio: mine does 850 pretty well, and stable as hell |
| 15:37.46 | jacekowski | thing is, rpi for example |
| 15:38.24 | jacekowski | normal clock for that chip is 700Mhz and people run it at close to 1GHz |
| 15:39.09 | XATRIX | What's the name of the app, that displays cpu load/memory in tray ? |
| 15:39.31 | jacekowski | and so far there has been no reports of premature failures |
| 15:41.29 | Drathir | i trust and also dont oc my n900... |
| 15:41.49 | jacekowski | and well, there is a lot of people that overclocked their n900's |
| 15:42.04 | jacekowski | and we had no reports of premature failures |
| 15:42.14 | jacekowski | there was few that was suspected to be OC related |
| 15:43.37 | eccerr0r | does not OC his n900. It doesn't have to compile like his celeron had to... |
| 15:44.00 | Drathir | i have oc my old celeron fron 433 to 550 but on abit motherboard... |
| 15:45.33 | Drathir | have working on it gta and also working vista os... ^^ with riva tnt2 64mb |
| 15:46.03 | eccerr0r | i didn't even have to oc my gf4 mx420 before id succumbed to electromigration :p |
| 15:46.15 | eccerr0r | s/ id / it / |
| 15:46.29 | Drathir | but this was long time ago.... |
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| 15:48.21 | eccerr0r | also one of my samsung flip phones. it got pretty scrambled after 3 years, definitely did not drop or water it. |
| 15:49.33 | eccerr0r | then again solder failure is still a possibility... but once again,it's too old to be of value to reflow it anyway... |
| 15:51.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: that's incorrect, ther have been several reports, just none of them could be *proven* to be caused by OC |
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| 15:54.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | eccerr0r: yes, that sounds normal - 2 of 100 devices get "fried" after 2 or 3 years |
| 15:56.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: and particularly we seem to have seen quite a number of N900 whose DSP started to lock up and reset like mad after some time of overclocking |
| 15:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | lusers: "meh! I don't need to watch movies on that shitty N900 anyway" |
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| 15:58.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's also a valid way to deal with OC and own overly leeteness |
| 16:02.10 | Estel_ | smartreflex is stable using kernel-power and up to 900 mhz, and indeed provide better batery life, proven scientificaly, without need to painfullyh adjust power on all frequencies |
| 16:02.35 | Estel_ | you may get same power saving results by setting voltages by hand, but current SR implementation does it better than you and automagically |
| 16:03.15 | Estel_ | and no one ever get any confirmed case of N900 damaged by overclocking |
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| 16:03.35 | Estel_ | thing forwardeds most of the times was, later, detected to be flex cable problem |
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| 16:04.13 | Estel_ | even crazy ones using 1150 as max, are doing so for years without freakin problem. Personally, I wouldn't go higher than 900 mhz, as anything above is just numerology |
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| 16:04.56 | Estel_ | I suggested to drop qcpu frequency, as it's beter done once for all via kernel-config, and left alone |
| 16:05.18 | Estel_ | personally, I suggest 500-900 limits, some people got better results with 250-900 |
| 16:05.53 | Estel_ | (as for battery life). From my experience and my use cases, 500-900 results in more idle time @ 0 mhz |
| 16:08.03 | jacekowski | isn't dsp on other pll than main arm core? |
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| 16:20.24 | Skry | ~bq27000 |
| 16:20.35 | Skry | GIEV! |
| 16:20.53 | Skry | oh |
| 16:27.19 | kerio | ~bq27200 |
| 16:27.19 | infobot | from memory, bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
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| 16:40.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: nope |
| 16:40.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems they share same clocksource and divider |
| 16:42.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>proven scientificaly<< quotations please! |
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| 16:43.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and don't start to argue with theoretical evidence again, as that's not proof |
| 16:47.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Personally, I wouldn't go higher than 900 mhz, as anything above is just numerology<< so what's *this* then? those 900 seem to be right outa somebody's back end |
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| 16:50.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | fact is: lifespan of SoC gets reduced DRASTICALLY (like factor 10..100) by overclocking, while operation isn't necessarily instable until CPU dies |
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| 16:52.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | fact is: Nokia deprecated SR as it shown instabiities in at least some devices. While I yet have to see any of the supposedly existing "scientific proofs" of the enormous power savings allegedly achievable by enabling SR |
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| 17:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's see... assuming the electromigration was of a low order function, then clock*1.166 == lifespan*0.2, 500*1.166*1.166*1.166*1.166=925MHz -> lifespan 100*0.2*0.2*0.2*0.2=0.16% of original lifespan |
| 17:13.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably electromigration is a higher order function |
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| 17:16.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | original lifespan of omap3430 is like 50,000 or even 100,000h, so let's assume 100k hours |
| 17:16.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~100000/100*0.16 |
| 17:16.37 | infobot | 160 |
| 17:17.05 | jean_brat | recently have observed a huge price drop in N9, Plan to get myself one, Is it still a good buy? |
| 17:17.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | after 160h on full clockspeed you can expect 10 out of 1000 CPU going pooof |
| 17:17.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | for 900MHz OC |
| 17:18.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | always assuming we have low order function in that formula, which most certainly we don't have |
| 17:19.33 | Sicelo | jean_brat: looks like the answer is yes. maybe N900 is best though :-P |
| 17:19.35 | Sicelo | anyway |
| 17:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | jean_brat: depends whom you ask |
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| 17:21.14 | thedead1440 | jean_brat: read about it first then decide if you can tolerate its moodiness ;) and if you end up getting one don't limit yourself to 16GB as you get only ~9GB for emmc. Always get a 64GB variant... |
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| 17:21.28 | jean_brat | N900 : Micro USB is a unresolved problem, and i have my phone is just like a paperweight , some keys don't function , Wife other then WEP dont function etc etc |
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| 17:22.27 | Sicelo | please help me with getting, and understanding kernel logs on N900. i understand that i need to look in mtd2. |
| 17:22.51 | Sicelo | 1) how do i do so? |
| 17:22.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: there's a tool for it |
| 17:23.07 | Sicelo | 2) how do i 'understand what is contains |
| 17:23.29 | kerio | they're not normal kernel logs though |
| 17:23.42 | kerio | they're the log of kernel oopses |
| 17:23.58 | Sicelo | it's those that i need. |
| 17:24.04 | jean_brat | thedead1440, so 16GB is not enough to dual boot Android ? |
| 17:24.33 | thedead1440 | jean_brat: if you want the N9 for Android please get an Android device that's cheaper with higher specs |
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| 17:25.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: http://maemo.org/packages/view/sp-oops-extract/ |
| 17:25.15 | thedead1440 | Nitdroid on the N9 can't make phone calls and has a whole lot of issues; really not worth using it other than the occasional game |
| 17:25.38 | thedead1440 | oh and maybe you want to discuss the n9 on #harmattan or #n9 |
| 17:26.10 | Sicelo | thanx DocScrutinizer05 |
| 17:26.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 17:26.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't decode much but helps with readout |
| 17:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | google for kernel-oops or kernelpanic to get more help how to parste and iterprete that gibbersih ;-) |
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| 17:30.08 | XATRIX | Guys, GPIO what is it for ? |
| 17:30.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | General Purpose Input/Output |
| 17:30.29 | XATRIX | :) |
| 17:30.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | chip pins |
| 17:31.00 | XATRIX | It checks for open close hatch ? |
| 17:31.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~gpio |
| 17:31.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf gpio |
| 17:31.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki gpio |
| 17:31.24 | jean_brat | GPIO usually used for External interrupts for the SOC, |
| 17:32.09 | XATRIX | Ok, then it useless on N900 |
| 17:33.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends |
| 17:34.02 | jean_brat | i think Keypad in n900 is via GPIO interface ? |
| 17:34.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally speaking the GPIO are indispensible part of N900's hw design |
| 17:34.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, nope |
| 17:34.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a deficated matrix scanner implemented in hw in twl4030 |
| 17:34.58 | XATRIX | matrix ? |
| 17:34.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | dedicated* |
| 17:35.05 | XATRIX | What do you mean ? |
| 17:35.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki matrix |
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| 17:36.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean the keyboard matrix, consisting of rows and colums |
| 17:36.41 | XATRIX | ah |
| 17:36.54 | XATRIX | but what does it have to scan ? |
| 17:37.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | keys |
| 17:37.30 | XATRIX | via GPIO ? |
| 17:37.35 | XATRIX | one wire bus ? |
| 17:37.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | not via GPIO |
| 17:37.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | but via specialized pins that are built for scanning a kbd matrix |
| 17:38.15 | XATRIX | hm |
| 17:38.19 | jean_brat | just a question of the topic.. usually nokia / Omap phones have brilliant sound Quality compared to any other makes, N900 n97 etc.. is it purely an OMAP credit or any other dependent factors ? |
| 17:39.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ac32/34 bla codec, dedicated audio chip |
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| 17:39.21 | XATRIX | removing Amazon installer & AP News installer |
| 17:39.30 | jean_brat | is it TI? DocScrutinizer05 |
| 17:39.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | not sure |
| 17:39.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | check the datasheet ;-) |
| 17:40.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | tlv320aic34.pdf |
| 17:41.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems it is TI |
| 17:41.44 | jean_brat | got a link? |
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| 17:42.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | www.ti.com/product/tlv320aic34 |
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| 17:45.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | or check the hidden docs dir on maemo.cloud-7.de |
| 17:45.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and don't paste the url once you figured it, or I will have to rename it ;-) |
| 17:51.03 | XATRIX | FreOffice supports tables ? |
| 17:51.07 | jean_brat | DocScrutinizer05, i don have permission |
| 17:51.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | jean_brat: you have, on hidden docs |
| 17:54.55 | jean_brat | You don't have permission to access /hidden/ on this server. |
| 17:55.00 | jean_brat | never mind |
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| 18:59.46 | bef0rd | ;_; |
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| 19:26.37 | Sc0rpius | ~mirrors |
| 19:26.37 | infobot | [mirror] http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error |
| 19:30.14 | n900-dk_ | Someone who has a short script for rsync backup of / and /home ? |
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| 20:08.57 | Sicelo | n900-dk_: .. |
| 20:09.38 | Sicelo | ~jr-tools |
| 20:09.38 | infobot | hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 20:11.21 | n900-dk_ | Sicelo: thx, figured it out - wanted to do it initiated from the n900 |
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| 21:51.36 | sombragris | hi there... |
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| 21:51.42 | sombragris | still cannot browse repos |
| 21:51.53 | sombragris | or go through package overviews over page 40 :S |
| 21:52.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1326918#post1326918 |
| 21:52.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | the heck!! |
| 21:54.35 | Sc0rpius | I know you're gonna hate me on this but I have to ask |
| 21:54.52 | Sc0rpius | why after like 3 months we don't have repos @ maemo.org and why do we have to use mirrors and why we don't have autobuilder? |
| 21:55.07 | Sc0rpius | if the community process failed then say "IT FAILED" and we go and buy another phone and that's it |
| 21:55.13 | M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: this trend is quite unfortunate |
| 21:55.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | the euphemism of the year :-S |
| 21:55.30 | M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: is that HiFo stuff really THAT time intensive ? |
| 21:55.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 21:56.01 | Sc0rpius | let's be clear: if a phone can't be supported by the manufacturer and/or the community it is a useless phone. |
| 21:56.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know how time consuming my admin-coordinator and councilor job is |
| 21:56.15 | M4rtinK | I guess the Board/Council split really wasn't the best idea |
| 21:56.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can tell you I couldn't do a partime real job besides it |
| 21:57.10 | M4rtinK | do you think it should improve once things settle a bit ? |
| 21:57.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: we *have* a pretty functioning repo.m.o |
| 21:57.44 | M4rtinK | or a long term full-time job is needed to maintain the whole bunch of stuff ? |
| 21:57.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: we do NOT need mirrors, usually |
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| 21:58.17 | M4rtinK | once the hashes are recomputed |
| 21:58.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: autobulder is x-fade's domain but we just 4h ago shanghaied jacekowski for maintainer |
| 21:58.31 | sombragris | DocScrutinizer05 : I just canot browse http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle as of now |
| 21:58.44 | M4rtinK | and someone hunts down X-Fade, everythinkg should be A-OK :) |
| 21:58.46 | Sc0rpius | well I don't think the repos are up |
| 21:58.50 | Sc0rpius | I mean the @maemo.org repos |
| 21:59.12 | M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: autobuilder maintainer ? |
| 21:59.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sombragris: please send it again tomorrow, or send a mail to joerg <council@m.o> |
| 21:59.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:59.37 | M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: nice ! :) |
| 21:59.37 | Sc0rpius | my phone still say Failed catalogs: maemo.org, Maemo Extras-Testing, maemo devel |
| 21:59.48 | M4rtinK | I'm really looking forward to it working again :) |
| 21:59.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, and as usual he's an animal ;-D |
| 22:00.23 | sombragris | I lost my N900 last April, and I just bought a replacement one week ago :S |
| 22:00.25 | sombragris | ok |
| 22:00.37 | sombragris | hope everything goes OK |
| 22:00.51 | sombragris | DocScrutinizer05 : ty for the tip |
| 22:00.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | sombragris: we're just in a double trouble |
| 22:01.13 | sombragris | I know, don't worry. Let's hope it gets sorted out |
| 22:01.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I really have no time left to add your bug report to tracker, however welcome and appreciated |
| 22:01.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | please remind me tomorrow |
| 22:01.44 | sombragris | will do, don't worry |
| 22:01.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 22:02.11 | sombragris | writing mail to council with bug report now |
| 22:02.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and welcome back! :-) |
| 22:02.21 | sombragris | ty :) |
| 22:02.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for mail, so I can deal with it tomorrow (or qwazix or MT will do) |
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| 22:07.28 | sombragris | mail sent to council at m.o. |
| 22:08.00 | sombragris | btw does anyone know where can I get mscp ? it is reported as a missing dependency of tweetian |
| 22:08.09 | sombragris | (I'm trying to install a good twitter client) |
| 22:08.22 | sombragris | unfortunately TweeGo cannot login into twitter anymore :S |
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| 22:12.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | sombragris: hah, thanks, now I see we already have that bug in our tracker, reported by thedead1440 24h ago. Thanks anyway |
| 22:16.46 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: rob bauer is scaring off every board member |
| 22:17.26 | Estel_ | oh god. Lately, we had a brief talk about games here, so I know that there are gamers amongst fellow maemo members. |
| 22:18.28 | Estel_ | For those, I recommend playing completely unknown (to mass-public) title "Richard & Alice". It have been years since I've seen such heartwrenching, sad, but powerful story in a gamep literature, or movie |
| 22:19.49 | Estel_ | it's just a this kind of tale that doesn't give answers, and I'm not sure if raises a questions - just alters something inside you. Absolutely top-notch, and I recommend it from the deep of my heart, to anyone, who won't get scared by retro-graphic (as story is all that matters here) |
| 22:24.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> While I have all confidence in Mr. Bauer’s expertise and enthusiasm, I must emphatically make my stance on the fact that it behooves the Maemo Community to demand that other Maemo Community members occupy the remaining seats<< |
| 22:24.34 | sombragris | DocScrutinizer05 : right. I had a great talk with him yesterday |
| 22:24.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | with whom? |
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| 22:25.06 | sombragris | with thedead1440 |
| 22:25.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
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| 22:25.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440 is a nice guy, indeed |
| 22:25.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wish he was already awake |
| 22:26.45 | sombragris | btw: I welcome any suggestion for good twitter clients |
| 22:26.57 | sombragris | need that for work (I work as a CM) |
| 22:26.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: ping!!! |
| 22:27.27 | Woody14619 | hi :) Was chatting in another window. |
| 22:27.55 | kerio | Estel_: have you ever played the last express? |
| 22:34.30 | freemangordon | kerio: I guess we need a working board to "officialy" take over from Nokia |
| 22:34.32 | Estel_ | kerio sure |
| 22:34.59 | kerio | freemangordon: yeah but now we have only one dude in the board |
| 22:35.03 | Estel_ | it was absolutely gorgeous |
| 22:35.14 | kerio | which means that new members must join |
| 22:35.29 | freemangordon | kerio: yep, and thats why it is not a good thing |
| 22:35.40 | kerio | which means that we can start voting no on everything rob bauer says, out of principle |
| 22:35.42 | freemangordon | because we run out of time |
| 22:35.48 | Estel_ | well, richard & Alice is quite different, though. don't expect happy ending, too, no matter how good gamer you're |
| 22:36.50 | freemangordon | *are running |
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| 22:38.15 | Estel_ | kerio ^ to the point, in which I still cant find a place for myself, after finishing it few hours earlier. Stories that affect you in such way are a rarity, and it doesn't matter if you talk about literature, games, or movies... |
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| 23:21.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | voting time, *cough* |
| 23:25.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | [general announcement] If I can reach everybody, council will hold a extemporaneous meeting tomorrow 1800UTC on #maemo-meeting. Single topic: Tim Samoff resigning from HiFo BoD and next steps to take (which are elections in 4 weeks from now on) |
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| 23:47.00 | Estel_ | just out of curiosity, have tim stated reasons for resignation? |
| 23:47.09 | Estel_ | or was it regular "lack of time" blabla? |
| 23:51.04 | Estel_ | nvm, found his resignation letter |
| 23:51.44 | Estel_ | well, he basically encourage to give more power into Council hands, which is funny, as with board election in 4 weeks, everything will stay the same, just delayed for 4 weeks |
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| 23:52.50 | Estel_ | changing responsibilities require changing HiFo funny and unrealistic statute, as - of course - no one listened, when few people cried that it's wrong to the very core |
| 23:54.28 | Estel_ | in my personal opinions, without merging hifo and council positions into one (so only board or only hifo with merged competitions remains), we're doomed to pathetic power games, as we seen them whole time |
| 23:54.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* yes you were right |
| 23:55.02 | Estel_ | ...which, btw, was also the the thing that I've tried to warn about, and no one listened |
| 23:55.15 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, what a subtle irony in your digital voice :P |
| 23:56.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually not |
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| 23:57.41 | Estel_ | so, will council come forward with proposition of changing statute to smth sensible, instead of electing new board? |
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| 23:57.49 | Estel_ | or it depends on tommorow's meeting? |
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