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| 00:00.36 | shawnjefferson | hmm' ok. In a post on tmo, it was mentioned that one has hashsum errors and one doesn't in extra-devel, and that seems to be the case. |
| 00:01.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | unlikely |
| 00:02.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc one is a symlink to the other |
| 00:02.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | or, if fremantle was actually a symlink to fremantle1.2, then it's outadted for 1.3 and shouldn't get used |
| 00:03.03 | shawnjefferson | well, i was able to install from one and not from the other via apt-get (pastebinit). But a symlink makes sense... |
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| 00:04.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could check on repository.maemo.org VM but ... |
| 00:04.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf |
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| 00:04.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
| 00:05.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...but I'm too lazy |
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| 00:06.14 | shawnjefferson | maybe I installed an old version of pastebinit then? 1.3-2maemo1 is what I have. |
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| 00:08.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy pastebinit |
| 00:08.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | pastebinit: |
| 00:08.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think it's from extras though |
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| 00:27.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm http://maemo.org/packages/view/pastebinit/ |
| 00:33.58 | shawnjefferson | It was/is extra-devel that has hashsum errors isn't it? |
| 00:48.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm more concerned why merlin1991 doesn't already fix those hashsum errors |
| 00:48.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd hate to have to do it myself |
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| 01:25.53 | hanning | hi, is there a way to run xbmc on maemo? |
| 01:31.17 | Zaerc | I have tried under easy-debian, no luck so far |
| 01:31.43 | hanning | :/ |
| 01:32.17 | Zaerc | I need to do more research into this openGL-ES thingy |
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| 01:34.10 | Zaerc | so it was a bit of an half-assed attempt |
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| 01:35.36 | hanning | xbmc is available for ARM, and is already running on the beagleboard (which got tha same hardware?) |
| 01:36.14 | Zaerc | yeah I think it's possible |
| 01:36.15 | hanning | therefore i expected to find a deb quite easily :( |
| 01:36.36 | Zaerc | *I* just haven't figured out how yet, others may have |
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| 02:16.58 | Zaerc | hmmm |
| 02:17.05 | Zaerc | just wondering |
| 02:17.37 | Zaerc | is there any information on what sets the SDK apart form a regular arm-toolchain? |
| 02:20.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe the qemu? |
| 02:20.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe scratchbox? |
| 02:20.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | define "regular arm toolchain" |
| 02:20.58 | Zaerc | well I was thinking more along the lines of specially patched libraries and tools and such |
| 02:21.43 | Zaerc | I mean I can just run an armel system under qemu |
| 02:22.00 | Zaerc | and then use the build environment there |
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| 02:22.29 | Zaerc | but that won't have all the antiquated versions and patches |
| 02:22.45 | Zaerc | (am I making any sense?) |
| 02:24.22 | Zaerc | hmm, maybe if I used the old "lenny" and then added the sdk repos |
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| 02:30.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think there's not much special in every part of the SDK |
| 02:31.02 | Zaerc | I'll just give it a try for the heck of it |
| 02:31.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and actually some guys have managed to comile/build natively on N900, under an easydeb chroot for sufficient free space in filesystem. |
| 02:32.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | also there's madde, which works somewhat different, maybe you want to check this as well |
| 02:32.26 | Zaerc | I'm on a bit of an adventure to see if I can get a newer version of pulseaudio to build |
| 02:32.54 | Zaerc | yeah easydeb kicks ass |
| 02:33.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | re PA I think others tried that and ran into conflicts |
| 02:33.27 | Zaerc | I got the raspberry pi image to work under there |
| 02:34.17 | Zaerc | yeah so far it looks like it will be quite a pain to get it done |
| 02:35.13 | Zaerc | likes puzzles |
| 02:36.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems in the end you'll find one part is not matching, for the PA puzzle |
| 02:38.52 | Zaerc | yeah that is not uncommon, and I figured if it was easy someon would have done it already |
| 02:39.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are closed blobs plugins for PA, which *might* not work with newer versions of PA |
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| 02:39.43 | Zaerc | ah, that is good to know |
| 02:39.57 | Zaerc | I wasn't expecting to succeed anyway |
| 02:40.12 | Zaerc | it's more a bit of an excercize |
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| 11:39.04 | *** topic/#maemo is repository is back - see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588 || Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
| 11:39.04 | *** mode/#maemo [+v infobot] by ChanServ |
| 11:39.36 | sixwheeledbeast | ~moo |
| 11:39.36 | infobot | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 11:39.50 | sixwheeledbeast | that's better :) |
| 11:41.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~nitdroid |
| 11:41.26 | infobot | methinks nitdroid is Nokia Internet Tablets with android OS. Support on nitdroid is provided in the channel #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help and Nokia does not officially support owners with android OS on their tablets. For more information read here: http://nitdroid.com/index.php?title=NITDroid_project. If you have bricked your N900 device and have installed nitdroid, flash with both eMMC and fiasco. |
| 11:41.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~maemo-multiboot |
| 11:41.50 | infobot | it has been said that maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
| 11:43.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | didn't think we'd need this anymore nowadays |
| 11:44.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | but every once in a while, somebody thinks N900 and android was sth worth giving a try |
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| 11:44.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *completely* fail on getting their rationale regarding that |
| 11:45.06 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: its the spirit of adventure ;) To explore the N900's various possibilities |
| 11:46.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have a few suggestions for very innovative and interesting possibilities in N900, involving a hammer and a 9 inch nail |
| 11:46.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | result is at least as useful as nitdroid |
| 11:47.02 | thedead1440 | haha |
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| 11:48.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | just if you wonder: teh above URL is actually 404 Not Found |
| 11:49.04 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: its http://forum.nitdroid.com/ |
| 11:49.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | *burp* |
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| 11:53.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | android has qualities to become for me on embedded what windows is for me on PCs: a "never touch it" item |
| 11:55.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a pitiful waste of time and manpower of developers to port android to devices that were neither meant for it nor do support it particularly good |
| 11:59.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly if such device already has a decent OS |
| 12:00.17 | thedead1440 | you want to jump at lazy writing? read: http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/24/4020574/phoenix-the-nokia-nexus-n9 |
| 12:00.28 | SpeedEvil | being able to run android apps is interesting. but on a platform with oinlt 256m, ... |
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| 12:01.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | all the games and multimedia apps for android won't run on nitdroid anyway, so the only usecase I could figure is: let me just shut down maemo and boot to nitdroid to check that public transportation app |
| 12:02.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think you'll have much fun with such approach, probably you'll miss your bus ;-P |
| 12:02.20 | thedead1440 | lol |
| 12:02.36 | Zaerc | at least your hand won't get cold while you wait for the next one ;) |
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| 12:14.46 | kerio | thedead1440: the verge is just a more pretentious engadget |
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| 12:15.15 | thedead1440 | kerio: indeed; both equally suck |
| 12:16.27 | Vrm1 | kerio: I got the impression from the 2.6.28-10power51 has less error output when switching to a different driver bleending soft, they need a injection rate limits |
| 12:16.54 | kerio | Pali: was there a change in the wl12xx drivers? |
| 12:17.21 | Pali | no, nothing |
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| 12:37.41 | ShadowJK | hm, so, the erase block size might be 6M, 8M, 12M, 16M or 24M.. but they still partition with 4M alignment.. i wonder if there's some trickery involved |
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| 12:42.08 | amospalla | is still the use of skeiron mirror needed? |
| 12:43.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends for what |
| 12:43.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | mirror no |
| 12:44.21 | amospalla | I mean, I've got no new packages on my n900 for 3 months |
| 12:44.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | original repo "works", if you get hashsum errors, merlin.at mirror is supposed to be free of that |
| 12:44.31 | amospalla | I have original repos |
| 12:45.06 | amospalla | shouldn't the package manager show me upgrades/new packages ? |
| 12:45.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are none |
| 12:45.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | simple as that |
| 12:45.59 | amospalla | neither for cssu? I thought some upgrades were pushed |
| 12:46.10 | amospalla | but well, now I see why I had no movement on packages |
| 12:46.49 | amospalla | do hashsum errors make something not work? |
| 12:46.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | for cssu merlin missed to make sure updates got migrated to new infra |
| 12:47.07 | amospalla | I mean, should I worry about it? |
| 12:47.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | and he hasn't updated original rmo repo yet |
| 12:47.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, probably you shouldn't worry too much |
| 12:47.46 | amospalla | DocScrutinizer05: oh thanks, that explains me it all, so I just should act as normally did |
| 12:48.01 | amospalla | :) |
| 12:48.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're still about to fix stuff that got messed up during infra migration (and before) |
| 12:48.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventually we'll catch up (I hope) |
| 12:49.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: right? ;-) |
| 12:59.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | amospalla: amyway you nevertheless are free to use skeiron mirror since it has the latest cssu updates since a few days now |
| 13:01.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd hope for merlin1991 syncing the original maemo rmo today, but it seems he's MIA |
| 13:01.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen merlin1991 |
| 13:01.52 | infobot | merlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #maemo-ssu, last said: 'damn I know not a single thing about mysql performance check, I'm sure there is some query to list the last few expensive querys to start the investigation'. |
| 13:01.52 | amospalla | I've been without updating 3 months, I can wait a bit more ^^ |
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| 13:07.26 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: wait, i thought that cssu-testing 7.2 was the one with the fix for turktrust |
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| 13:10.29 | kerio | amospalla: community-testing.merlin1991.at |
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| 13:14.30 | sardini | hello |
| 13:15.13 | kerio | hi |
| 13:16.54 | amospalla | thanks kerio |
| 13:17.15 | kerio | note that you also need extras-testing or extras-devel enabled to install the latest cssu-testing |
| 13:17.27 | kerio | and the only 100% working extras-devel mirror is extras-devel.merlin1991.at |
| 13:19.58 | XATRIX | ok, i'm back |
| 13:20.03 | kerio | oh joy |
| 13:21.50 | XATRIX | So, reflashing my device... I have to start with eMMC then rootfs right ? |
| 13:22.23 | XATRIX | and if i wanna use u-boot i have to install it after i reflash device |
| 13:22.31 | XATRIX | Is it correct ? |
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| 13:22.58 | Zaerc | better check the wiki page to be sure |
| 13:23.14 | XATRIX | yea, sounds if |
| 13:25.34 | XATRIX | can anyone tell me http://fpaste.org/cYyO/ |
| 13:26.02 | XATRIX | is the -x, --xloader=ARG Location of X-Loader image corresponds to bootload |
| 13:26.15 | XATRIX | can i tell it u-boot location ? |
| 13:26.31 | kerio | no, u-boot is loaded as a kernel, by NOLO |
| 13:27.13 | XATRIX | so, i should install it later on ? |
| 13:28.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: it's synced to skeiron |
| 13:29.20 | XATRIX | Also, flasher-3.5 support --flash and --load options |
| 13:29.36 | XATRIX | Can i simply load the firmware into memory before the actual flashing |
| 13:29.44 | XATRIX | Or i missunderatnd the meaming |
| 13:29.50 | XATRIX | s/meaming/meaning |
| 13:30.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: who told you to mess with --xloader=ARG parameter? |
| 13:30.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-o |
| 13:30.12 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: i did :) |
| 13:30.41 | XATRIX | I thought it would be nice to install u-boot at the beginning :) |
| 13:31.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | then I have an advice for you: stop thinking |
| 13:31.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather read instructions |
| 13:31.22 | XATRIX | that's not the advice i would like to be told :) |
| 13:32.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | you obviously have insufficient information for thinking to make any sense |
| 13:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | so 1) learn 2) learn more ...n) start "thinking" |
| 13:32.52 | XATRIX | I'm trying to ;) didn't you noticed |
| 13:33.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | k, then here are some facts about uboot: |
| 13:33.51 | XATRIX | which are ? |
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| 13:34.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's getting loaded by NOLO bootloader, just like normal maemo kernel would be, form exactly same partition kernel lives in |
| 13:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | in that sense uboot is a part of kernel rather than a part of bootloader |
| 13:34.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and actually usual uboot ships with attached stock maemo kernel |
| 13:35.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | they both share one NAND partition |
| 13:35.46 | XATRIX | I'd like to make it as : 1) maemo stock 2) pk 3) android |
| 13:35.50 | XATRIX | Is it ok ? |
| 13:35.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | so *if* you'd want to flash uboot with flasher, you'd need to flash *kernel* with the uboot image |
| 13:36.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | but actually uboot never gets flashed by flasher, it gets installed and flashed *onboard* |
| 13:36.37 | jade | hi |
| 13:36.42 | XATRIX | Hmm... |
| 13:36.46 | XATRIX | Wait a bit |
| 13:37.14 | XATRIX | As you told me i have to use --kernel arg to flash u-boot ? |
| 13:37.24 | XATRIX | If i decide to flash it first |
| 13:39.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and don't ask me about android please. I don't think it makes any sense and thus I never installed it and can't help. We just seen more than enough dispaired lusers here who couldn't get to boot their device after installing android |
| 13:39.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, I told you nobody ever does that |
| 13:39.29 | XATRIX | Also, what does mean Cold flash ? Can't find any info about. |
| 13:39.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-03-03 14:36:31] <DocScrutinizer05> but actually uboot never gets flashed by flasher, it gets installed and flashed *onboard* |
| 13:39.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need info about that |
| 13:40.04 | XATRIX | So, what is it ? |
| 13:40.07 | XATRIX | I wanna know |
| 13:40.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's the last resort |
| 13:40.39 | XATRIX | When everything is screwed up ? |
| 13:40.45 | XATRIX | I could boot NITdroid from my handset as well |
| 13:40.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | for guys like you who think using --xloader etc parameters for flasher was a brilliant idea |
| 13:41.29 | XATRIX | I just ask before... I'm trying to act samrt enough |
| 13:41.33 | XATRIX | *smart |
| 13:42.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why you don't need to know about coldflashing |
| 13:42.18 | XATRIX | :) |
| 13:43.20 | XATRIX | If i ask something, i want to know it... that's why i ask |
| 13:43.54 | XATRIX | I'm not one of these iOS guys |
| 13:44.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's pretty comprehensive instruction about everything 8probably even friggin nitdroid and multiboot install). Please read and follow and understand those. then come back for more in detail questions. Don't invent your own ueber-leete method of doing stuff |
| 13:44.38 | Skry | XATRIX: simple advice: don't do anything you don't understart, rather follow the instructions. If you really, really need to deviate from the instructions somehow, read and learn until you understand what you're going to do. If reading and learning did not help, and you still don't understand what you're about to do, just do as the instructions tell you and get over it. |
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| 13:44.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~maemo-multiboot |
| 13:44.40 | infobot | from memory, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
| 13:44.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~nitdroid |
| 13:44.49 | infobot | from memory, nitdroid is Nokia Internet Tablets with android OS. Support on nitdroid is provided in the channel #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help and Nokia does not officially support owners with android OS on their tablets. For more information read here: http://nitdroid.com/index.php?title=NITDroid_project. If you have bricked your N900 device and have installed nitdroid, flash with both eMMC and fiasco. |
| 13:45.20 | Skry | oh well, understand rather than understart :) |
| 13:45.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: funny how our concurrent advices sounded similar |
| 13:46.06 | XATRIX | Yes, guys. I'm acting as you actually described... I already did one reflash a few months ago, and now i just diggin more into detail of |
| 13:46.41 | ShadowJK | XATRIX; it's funny how when you're trying to learn more, people tell you to learn more ;) |
| 13:46.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: afaik nitdroid still doesn't work with uBoot |
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| 13:47.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it actually does meanwhile, then stay away from multiboot |
| 13:48.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | we got 3 different boot things: uboot, bootmenu, and multiboot. they are all acting totally different and usually incompatible with each other |
| 13:49.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | uBoot considered safe and sane, bootmenu actually might not be what you think it is (it gets started *after* loading the standard kernel and starting init) |
| 13:49.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and multiboot is mere BS |
| 13:49.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, a nifty but nasty hack |
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| 13:53.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: just to give you a bit of brainfood info: yes, flasher can actually load images to RAM and execute them there, rather than flashing them to storage |
| 13:53.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | rescueOS is using this approach iirc |
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| 13:54.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | coldflashing is loading NOLO (bootloader that does all flashing) to RAM and executes it to flash NOLO on NAND |
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| 13:55.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | since otherwise you couldn't flash anything when NOLO is defect |
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| 13:56.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly I hardly ever heard of anybody ruining his NOLO and then needing to coldflash |
| 13:56.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | (except maybe of nandtester guy, wonder what became of him ;-D ) |
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| 14:01.09 | XATRIX | http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=669.0 here's the manual |
| 14:01.15 | XATRIX | how to setup nitdorid with uboot |
| 14:01.26 | XATRIX | i did it. i saw how it looks like :) |
| 14:01.38 | XATRIX | now, i'm going to use the right way :) |
| 14:02.20 | XATRIX | so, coldflash is used in enemrgency situation |
| 14:02.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, this is #maemo. For nitdroid please use that other channel |
| 14:02.34 | XATRIX | when the standard bootloader is screwed up |
| 14:02.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
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| 14:03.09 | XATRIX | no, i wasn't asking for support for nitdroid, i was shareing my experience about the uboot |
| 14:03.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | when your device come up with a NOKIA screen and ENUM on your PC's syslog you don't ever want to use coldflashing |
| 14:04.02 | XATRIX | But now, i'd like to find some info and experiment with running images from the RAM, without actuall writing it to the NAND |
| 14:04.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~rescueos |
| 14:04.21 | infobot | [rescue-os] http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ |
| 14:04.42 | XATRIX | Hm...sounds pretty interresting |
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| 14:06.16 | XATRIX | One more question, is there anything encrypted on the handset ? Should there be any crypto-drivers or not ? |
| 14:06.56 | XATRIX | I know linux firmware for the Intel IPW2200 wifi NIC was encrypted |
| 14:07.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically no, nothing is encrypted on N900 |
| 14:08.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo |
| 14:08.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | by default |
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| 14:09.28 | XATRIX | Also is it possible to run anything else on this SoC ? |
| 14:09.42 | XATRIX | I mean there could be a Gentoo Linux built for ARM aech |
| 14:09.44 | XATRIX | *arch |
| 14:10.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc KP comes with cryptfs drivers and some few users have set up their system to have encrypted /home or even rootfs |
| 14:10.25 | XATRIX | But it drastically decrease the performance of /home |
| 14:10.38 | XATRIX | Cause it's a flash disk+crytpo engine |
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| 14:11.29 | ShadowJK | there's one or two gentoo guys |
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| 14:11.44 | Zaerc | might be nice to encrypt the SD card I reckon |
| 14:12.34 | Zaerc | as that is the most easily accessed |
| 14:12.37 | XATRIX | But what for ? |
| 14:12.43 | XATRIX | yea |
| 14:12.56 | Zaerc | nosy people |
| 14:13.06 | XATRIX | unless you work in CIA :) |
| 14:14.42 | Zaerc | no I don't work for the Cocaine Import Agency |
| 14:16.17 | XATRIX | Yea :) |
| 14:17.51 | XATRIX | Hm....rescueos has a drivers to charge the cell ? |
| 14:18.03 | XATRIX | I thought it should be hw ability |
| 14:18.16 | XATRIX | And shouldn't depend on software |
| 14:18.52 | kerio | you need some control over bq24150a to charge |
| 14:19.30 | XATRIX | in other words, i have to 'tell' it to actuall charge the cell right ? |
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| 14:20.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | NIN101 included my simple charger concept |
| 14:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: yes, you need to tell it to charge further than 3.6V |
| 14:21.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | (or some other value I can't recall right now) |
| 14:22.05 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: not mia, for once actually enjoying a weekend outside of irc ;) |
| 14:22.22 | XATRIX | So ,actually i can set the charge current by myself ? Or charging Vs ? |
| 14:22.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: yes |
| 14:22.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | within limits and limitations |
| 14:22.54 | XATRIX | I'll write a script for a fast_charge, and a standard one :) |
| 14:23.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol, already exists |
| 14:23.14 | XATRIX | :) |
| 14:23.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~charge21 |
| 14:23.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 14:23.48 | XATRIX | ~bq24150a |
| 14:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues charge21 |
| 14:24.23 | XATRIX | Seems like i actually have to write a script :) |
| 14:24.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/charge21_500mA-USBlimit__UNTESTED.sh |
| 14:25.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should not mess with that stuff unless you learned a lot more |
| 14:25.26 | XATRIX | Can i charge more than 500mA ? |
| 14:25.28 | XATRIX | Oh, now |
| 14:25.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/unless/before/ |
| 14:25.34 | XATRIX | USB provides exactly 500 |
| 14:25.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | fastcharger provides way more |
| 14:26.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and N900 can use up to iirc 1150mA from USB |
| 14:26.22 | XATRIX | But how ? AC charger also provides the 500mA ouput |
| 14:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 14:26.41 | XATRIX | Then you have to use 2USBs to get 1A |
| 14:26.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia AC10 provides up to 2A iirc |
| 14:26.52 | XATRIX | Like an old 2.5 HDD USB |
| 14:26.58 | XATRIX | Hmm.. |
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| 14:27.29 | XATRIX | ~fastcharger |
| 14:28.28 | Zaerc | my charger says 1200mA on it |
| 14:29.10 | kerio | AC-10E, output DC 5.0V 1200mA |
| 14:29.47 | XATRIX | Oh, rescueos has charge21.bash as well |
| 14:30.31 | kerio | XATRIX: notice that that charge21.bash script charges from the wallcharger |
| 14:30.36 | kerio | so it could damage a usb port |
| 14:30.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: I told you, didn't I? |
| 14:30.59 | XATRIX | Thanks for the warning! That's really in time! |
| 14:31.09 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05 nope :) |
| 14:31.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-03-03 15:20:59] <DocScrutinizer05> NIN101 included my simple charger concept |
| 14:31.50 | kerio | to be fair, a usb port that gets damaged like that is fucking stupid |
| 14:31.53 | XATRIX | I thought you were talking about different device :)( |
| 14:32.31 | XATRIX | One more question. As it mentioned in rescueos readme, "flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n initrd.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" Do i actually have to put " quote-symbol after -b ? |
| 14:32.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 14:33.11 | kerio | or before -b |
| 14:33.16 | Zaerc | it goes with the one at the end |
| 14:33.23 | XATRIX | http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/documentation.txt |
| 14:33.30 | XATRIX | it doesn't :) |
| 14:33.36 | XATRIX | maybe typo |
| 14:33.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 14:34.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's your problem? -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" |
| 14:34.50 | XATRIX | Yea, i was worry about the article goes without the trailing " |
| 14:36.41 | XATRIX | Alright, i'm gonna use this one line |
| 14:36.48 | XATRIX | C:\Program Files (x86)\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5.exe -k 2.6.37 -n rescueOS-initrd-0.5.4.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" |
| 14:36.51 | ShadowJK | Default maemo can charge battery at up to 950mA. The hw is capable of 1250. The datasheet for the battery recommends max 924 |
| 14:36.53 | XATRIX | Hope it works |
| 14:37.22 | Zaerc | ShadowJK: good to know thanks |
| 14:38.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | thqt's Ibat though, not Iusb |
| 14:39.40 | Zaerc | yeah, I'd like to stay within the specs for batteries |
| 14:39.50 | Zaerc | they usually live longer that way |
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| 14:40.35 | kerio | ShadowJK: so... maemo damages the battery by default? |
| 14:41.21 | ShadowJK | It's marginally biased towards charging faster ;) |
| 14:41.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | every charging damages battery |
| 14:41.51 | Zaerc | good point |
| 14:42.20 | Zaerc | only some ways of charging more then others |
| 14:42.46 | XATRIX | Sounds if i could load it with rescueos |
| 14:42.49 | XATRIX | cool |
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| 14:43.52 | XATRIX | wow... NIC usb0 has an IP addr :)))))) |
| 14:43.59 | XATRIX | network via USB :) |
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| 14:44.48 | XATRIX | also quite good performance of a framebuffer |
| 14:45.04 | Zaerc | while we're on charging... can the battery be charged when using hostmode? |
| 14:45.21 | XATRIX | nope i think |
| 14:45.26 | XATRIX | it's a actuve USB mode |
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| 14:48.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | Zaerc: yes |
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| 14:48.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | find my tmo post about it |
| 14:48.35 | Zaerc | awesome |
| 14:49.07 | Zaerc | goes looking |
| 14:49.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | basically you yust need to kill booston and start bme |
| 14:49.54 | Zaerc | and have a split cable, I reckon |
| 14:49.59 | kerio | Zaerc: or tap "host mode while charging" in the usbmode ui :) |
| 14:50.06 | kerio | after the connection is established |
| 14:50.25 | kerio | yeah, you need one of those Y-cables that are often given with 3g modems or portable hard drives |
| 14:50.38 | Zaerc | cool |
| 14:50.53 | Zaerc | well I was thinking about modding a powered usb-hub |
| 14:51.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: haha, I completely forgot |
| 14:51.16 | kerio | about what? |
| 14:51.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | about that addition in h-e-n |
| 14:51.58 | kerio | it's not in h-e-n, is it? |
| 14:51.58 | kerio | :o |
| 14:53.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | I don't know, I instructed moh how to do it |
| 14:56.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | I even designed booston (improved) to handle it |
| 14:58.19 | Zaerc | ummm... what's your forum name DocScrutinizer51? |
| 14:58.35 | Zaerc | that might narrow it down a bit |
| 14:58.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | joeg_rw |
| 14:59.16 | Zaerc | ah, thanks |
| 15:02.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: would... hm, i still can't remember who, but is it twl? identify the charger as a usb host, and thus limit the charging at 500mA? |
| 15:05.37 | XATRIX | I wonder when i see NOKIA on a white screen , it's a bootloader or a kernel loaded ? |
| 15:05.59 | ShadowJK | nolo |
| 15:06.11 | kerio | yolo |
| 15:06.17 | XATRIX | nolo = nokia loader ? |
| 15:06.33 | kerio | XATRIX: yeah, it's the bootloader |
| 15:06.54 | kerio | ROMBL loads x-loader loads nolo loads kernel |
| 15:07.40 | XATRIX | OK, i'm gonna flash my eMMC and fiasco, anything extra you can advice me ? I mean any extra 'upgrades' interresting features you can advice me to do before? |
| 15:08.11 | XATRIX | for the learning purposes |
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| 15:12.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: no |
| 15:12.42 | kerio | no? |
| 15:17.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Zaerc: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1169616 |
| 15:18.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: no, twl4030 will not negotiate charge current with PC |
| 15:18.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | or fastcharger |
| 15:18.32 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: just the detection |
| 15:18.36 | kerio | who does it? |
| 15:18.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | detection is by PHY |
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| 15:19.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1770? |
| 15:19.36 | XATRIX | Doc, what can you say? Do the standard kernel or powerkernel provide good enough power-saving abilities for ? |
| 15:19.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | D+- short detection |
| 15:19.45 | XATRIX | or it's better to do something exctra ? |
| 15:19.48 | kerio | ah yes |
| 15:20.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: please don't do extras. They are not needed and often do negative |
| 15:21.18 | XATRIX | alright, i was just asking a PRO about |
| 15:21.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably in a short while somebody will chime in and suggest hw-smartreflex and/or undervolting |
| 15:22.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | but nobody ever tested how much this really saves you |
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| 15:22.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and SR still is deprecated by Nokia due to a hw bug or sth that causes instability |
| 15:23.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and undervoltimg is mere BS in my book |
| 15:23.15 | XATRIX | Ok, i have a brand new clean installation of maemo, any ideas how to update it ? |
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| 15:23.27 | eccerr0r | undervolting is bs for the n900 or in general? |
| 15:23.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | install CSSU |
| 15:23.46 | XATRIX | just from the beginning ? |
| 15:24.00 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: don't you have to get to 1.3 first? |
| 15:24.09 | XATRIX | Or it's better to search for a new versions with maemo package manager? |
| 15:24.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 15:24.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | bur I'd hope after flashing you *are* at 1.3 |
| 15:25.09 | XATRIX | Yes |
| 15:25.14 | XATRIX | But there's a problem |
| 15:25.34 | XATRIX | Yes, i see it started from the scratch, but all of my contacts, messages are still in |
| 15:26.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you didn't flash vanilla/eMMC |
| 15:26.23 | XATRIX | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.42 | XATRIX | Or RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 15:26.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | look closer |
| 15:27.21 | XATRIX | alright, i'll reflash it again |
| 15:28.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flash |
| 15:28.05 | infobot | it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 15:28.22 | XATRIX | yes, i\m currently on it |
| 15:29.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: hi |
| 15:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: could you please just fix the hashsums. Don't check package integrity since IF it was a broken package we wouldn't bother if hashsum gets fixed, either |
| 15:31.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and please rsync rmo for latest cssu updates |
| 15:31.32 | XATRIX | Is there any updates for NOLO ? |
| 15:31.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 15:31.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | (simplified answer) |
| 15:32.00 | XATRIX | http://fpaste.org/Ky5o/ |
| 15:32.16 | XATRIX | This time i hope i flashed everything i need |
| 15:35.27 | XATRIX | Can i install uboot before CCSU ? |
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| 15:38.09 | ShadowJK | Are the hashsums broken, or the packages broken/tampered? :) |
| 15:38.10 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: ? |
| 15:49.40 | XATRIX | adding a stable ccsu |
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| 16:16.04 | XATRIX | Can anyone tell me what model of a headset is on http://www.developer.nokia.com/pics/maemo_deviced_banner.jpg ? |
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| 16:22.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: that's merlin1991's headache but I think for now it's irrelevant. Nevertheless I'd guess it's just the hashsums that are incorrect |
| 16:24.28 | ShadowJK | I'd compare the packages on his mirror and on rmo :) |
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| 16:25.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 16:25.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | the mirrors have obviously mirrored whatever been on rmo |
| 16:26.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and comparing packages isn't exactly trivial |
| 16:26.58 | ShadowJK | sha1sum * |
| 16:27.02 | ShadowJK | ;) |
| 16:27.10 | eccerr0r | was it rootcaused why the checksums no longer mismatch? |
| 16:27.22 | eccerr0r | s/ no // |
| 16:27.28 | eccerr0r | ack |
| 16:27.36 | eccerr0r | was it rootcaused why the checksums no longer match? |
| 16:28.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: so we're comparing shasums to fimd out where shasums differ? |
| 16:28.35 | ShadowJK | to answer whether sums are wrong or the packages are wrong |
| 16:28.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I think we have some point wher one of us doesn't get the other one's thoughts |
| 16:30.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | you just suggested to compare packages by comparing their sums to find out if those sums are correct |
| 16:30.28 | ShadowJK | Hashsums not matching contents. Either the sums are wrong, or the contents is corrupt or tampered.. or heck, the sums could be corrupted too :) |
| 16:30.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds weird to me |
| 16:31.11 | ShadowJK | But we've got one copy in arbitrary time where sums match packages, so it'd be interesting to see a comparison of all 4 tables |
| 16:31.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, so how's comparing to a mirror helping in that? particularly when the mirror mirrored supposedly broken pkgs as well? |
| 16:32.07 | eccerr0r | were there backups of the repositories? |
| 16:32.25 | ShadowJK | for some reason one is broken and the other not, and if it's a mirror, you'd expect both to be broken or both to not be broken |
| 16:33.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | to me it seems the only reasonable approach is to redo the shasums on rmo, then see which differed to former/old hashsum file, and if we feel like we can check those packages more closely, e.g. by rebuilding them and checking if the result differs significantly |
| 16:34.02 | ShadowJK | exactly what I said |
| 16:34.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: they *are* both broken or not broken. All mirrors synced last time when we already had that hassum problem |
| 16:34.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | comparing to any mirror doesn't help at all |
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| 16:35.38 | ShadowJK | why is merlin's mirror working |
| 16:35.57 | eccerr0r | i heard he recomputed all the checksums |
| 16:35.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | because he rebuilt the whole thing |
| 16:36.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | on his light server |
| 16:36.17 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 16:36.37 | kerio | we're not sure if the .debs work though :) |
| 16:36.42 | kerio | there hasn't been a report of a non-working one, though |
| 16:36.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 16:36.53 | eccerr0r | they do work... |
| 16:37.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you installed and tested *all* of them? |
| 16:37.27 | kerio | i would be perfectly fine with running lintian on the debs |
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| 16:37.30 | eccerr0r | at least some of them work. it's not a systemic rebuild problem. |
| 16:37.47 | eccerr0r | but whether I've downloaded a corrupted file pre-rechecksum is the worry. |
| 16:37.59 | kerio | although the debs in extras-devel probably violate debian policy in all sorts of ways |
| 16:38.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | we also have not all the rmo packages with hashsum error |
| 16:38.33 | eccerr0r | i was trying to download a file from rmo, checksum failed; added merlin's repo, checksum passed and installed |
| 16:39.04 | kerio | hahahaha freenode |
| 16:40.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, merlin1991 should just run the rehashing job against rmo |
| 16:41.00 | kerio | yeah, we can just rebuild everything once the autobuilder is back up |
| 16:41.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | worst case result: correct hashsum of a broken package, so how would that be worse than what we got now |
| 16:41.33 | eccerr0r | people with zombie n900s? |
| 16:41.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 16:42.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | users uttering dark riddles? |
| 16:44.47 | eccerr0r | downloading corrupted files due to bad copy is not a problem, downloading corrupted files because someone stuck a trojan in somehow...that's a problem. Chances are, the second didn't happen but it's a risk. |
| 16:44.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB we had no updates since 3 months anyway, due to autobuilder down. So no matter if hashsum gets fixed, we won't see mass updates |
| 16:45.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | eccerr0r: so you suggest we check our own server where only we can access anything for trojans that any of us smuggled in there? sounds prettty sane to me |
| 16:46.32 | eccerr0r | people get their servers hacked all the time... |
| 16:46.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise, how would we ensure that those packages are NO trojans? |
| 16:46.36 | eccerr0r | you can't |
| 16:46.58 | Zaerc | by digitally signing with your key? |
| 16:47.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | eccerr0r: now you're starting to state silly commonplaces |
| 16:47.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Zaerc: BS, with the key that's on server that allegedly got hacked? |
| 16:48.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | c'mon, get your feet on some ground |
| 16:48.18 | eccerr0r | that's why I wonder, has anyone rootcaused exactly why the checksum mismatch? |
| 16:48.19 | Zaerc | not neccesarily, if you keep the secret key somehere safe |
| 16:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | IF pigs had wings |
| 16:48.44 | eccerr0r | signing server and production server should be different... |
| 16:48.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I told this before |
| 16:49.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | SHOULD dafaq! |
| 16:49.12 | ShadowJK | Well kf production server is compromised, signing server will be signing bad packages anyways :P |
| 16:49.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 16:49.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | BS |
| 16:49.32 | eccerr0r | production/storage server not build server |
| 16:49.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | nonsense |
| 16:49.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | we got a technical problem, no security problem |
| 16:50.16 | Zaerc | you know what? |
| 16:50.24 | ShadowJK | production server was like 3 steps away from storage, actually |
| 16:50.38 | Zaerc | if you can't discuss these things in a normal matter... |
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| 16:51.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | then what? |
| 16:51.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | you stop discussing them with me? welcome! |
| 16:51.41 | ShadowJK | sigh. |
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| 16:55.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | eccerr0r: no, we haven't rootcaused it yet since we can't investigate as long as autobuilder doesn't work |
| 16:55.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | we however have some pretty good ideas why they might have happened |
| 16:55.58 | eccerr0r | well, I meant, one day they matched, one day they didn't... |
| 16:56.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | one day autobuilder built a new package version of some package |
| 16:56.40 | eccerr0r | was it the server move? |
| 16:56.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, before even |
| 16:57.45 | eccerr0r | ahh... yeah that would be problematic if it autobuilt and didn't update checksum... |
| 16:57.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | autobuilder problems are not really an unheard thing |
| 16:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that's exactly what I suspect has happened |
| 16:58.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | (autobuilder not updating hashsum) |
| 16:59.53 | eccerr0r | does the autobuilder keep logs somewhere? |
| 17:00.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | unknown |
| 17:00.33 | eccerr0r | ouch... |
| 17:00.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly for "keep" |
| 17:01.10 | eccerr0r | that would be good to know, control, and keep... |
| 17:01.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | right now it's not working and x-fade who's the only one savvy to fix it is MIA |
| 17:02.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | we mailed and noticed Nemein about it several times now. 3weeks ago(?) I heard "x-fade is looking into it now" - he didn't |
| 17:04.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | x-fade planned to move from autobuilder to COBS, then Nokia pulled the plug on it. Feels like a revenge on community for something Nokia did, when he's not taking care now |
| 17:09.12 | eccerr0r | I guess this still needs to be run like a business even though it's community handled. |
| 17:09.20 | eccerr0r | single point of failure is bad. :( |
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| 17:19.14 | XATRIX | Which classes of SD cards n900 supports ? |
| 17:20.40 | eccerr0r | I currently have a class 10 microsd-hc card in my n900... but I think this depends on the manufacturer too. I blindly bought it hoping it would work. |
| 17:21.26 | eccerr0r | i have a feeling my n900 may have broken a class 2 microsdhc card but it may also have just been bad luck that it had it installed when it stopped working. |
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| 17:51.54 | sixwheeledbeast | XATRIX: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Accessories#Memory_Cards |
| 17:54.25 | XATRIX | I also wanted to ask, does this headset works with n900 Stereo Headset WH-701 - by Nokia ? |
| 17:54.45 | XATRIX | I mean music Prev,Fow,Play/Pause |
| 17:54.47 | XATRIX | ? |
| 17:56.01 | sixwheeledbeast | XATRIX: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Accessories#Headsets.2FHeadphones |
| 17:57.10 | XATRIX | Yes, i saw it ... That's why i ask |
| 17:59.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | see my answer about multibutton aka media headsets not working, on tmo |
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| 18:01.52 | RST38h | moos |
| 18:03.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=799047#post799047 |
| 18:10.26 | XATRIX | what can you say about this ? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/advanced-power/ |
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| 18:15.39 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: also, is it ok to use testing branch of CSSU ? |
| 18:15.47 | XATRIX | Or it's highly experimental |
| 18:16.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | testing branch of cssu is for cssu-testing. stable is for cssu-stable. see |
| 18:16.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 18:16.21 | infobot | somebody said cssu was http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 18:16.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc we currently have some rough edges in testing installation |
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| 18:17.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I'd recommend stable flavour |
| 18:18.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can "upgrade" from cssu-stable to cssu-testing any time later on (when those issues don't persist anymore) |
| 18:18.37 | XATRIX | ok... i'll note it |
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| 18:36.20 | XATRIX | strange thing i have |
| 18:36.46 | XATRIX | i added the CSSU repository (opened a link on Community_SSU website |
| 18:36.49 | XATRIX | stable |
| 18:37.09 | XATRIX | But it doesn't start Community SSU enabler |
| 18:37.56 | XATRIX | any idea how to fix ? |
| 18:39.49 | XATRIX | ok, i've fixed it... just need to wait a bit more |
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| 18:50.05 | XATRIX | "This U-Boot version is now in Extras-Devel & Extras-Testing. Install package u-boot-flasher via apt-get or via Hildon Application Manager find "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1". |
| 18:50.25 | XATRIX | Is it ok ? Doc told me not to install software via apt-get |
| 18:51.18 | Snafu777 | Y wouldn't u use apt? |
| 18:52.03 | XATRIX | No idea |
| 18:52.08 | XATRIX | So it's ok ? |
| 18:52.17 | XATRIX | Pali: are you there ? :) |
| 18:52.23 | Snafu777 | I dunno, I just got in the combo |
| 18:52.26 | Snafu777 | Convo |
| 18:52.50 | Snafu777 | Apt-get is fine for whatever as long as the sources u are pulling from are good to go |
| 18:52.59 | Snafu777 | I personall hate ham |
| 18:53.02 | Snafu777 | Too damn slow |
| 18:53.16 | Snafu777 | I always use apt |
| 18:53.49 | Snafu777 | !ham |
| 18:53.59 | Snafu777 | ~ham |
| 18:54.00 | infobot | i guess ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow like molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does |
| 18:54.21 | Snafu777 | ~apt-get |
| 18:54.21 | infobot | [apt-get] the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me about apt-howto |
| 18:54.44 | Pali | XATRIX, I'm here |
| 18:56.35 | Snafu777 | ~snafu |
| 18:56.35 | infobot | [snafu] Situation Normal: All fux0red up. See also fux0red. |
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| 18:57.20 | XATRIX | Pali: is it ok to install uboot via "apt-get install u-boot-flasher" ? |
| 18:57.33 | Pali | yes, why not? |
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| 18:59.02 | XATRIX | Alright |
| 18:59.03 | Snafu777 | ~homeless |
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| 19:04.03 | XATRIX | Any idea how can i make an image from the eMMC ? |
| 19:04.14 | XATRIX | I mean not to use backup |
| 19:04.36 | XATRIX | Simply to write image back to and get the state back |
| 19:06.33 | XATRIX | Pali: it can't find u-boot-tools, what's the repo for ? |
| 19:06.40 | XATRIX | E: Couldn't find package u-boot-tools |
| 19:07.16 | Pali | it is in extras-devel & extras-testing |
| 19:07.22 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/u-boot-tools/ |
| 19:08.06 | XATRIX | ~extras-testing |
| 19:08.06 | infobot | i heard extras-testing is the maemo testing repository, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-05-19.log.html#t2011-05-19T16:27:37 |
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| 19:16.18 | XATRIX | Pali: http://fpaste.org/bVh3/ |
| 19:22.01 | eccerr0r | you'll need to use another mirror with recomputed hash checks, if you need it right away... no idea when r.m.o will be fixed... |
| 19:23.30 | XATRIX | O_O |
| 19:23.37 | XATRIX | Any idea which mirror do i have to use ? |
| 19:23.55 | warfare | Does anyone have a clue how to connect syncevolution with icloud? |
| 19:26.57 | Pali | ~mirror |
| 19:26.57 | infobot | methinks mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error |
| 19:33.52 | sixwheeledbeast | nick/ sixwheeled|away |
| 19:34.01 | sixwheeledbeast | oops |
| 19:38.28 | nox- | http://www.osnews.com/story/26824/Jolla_to_ignore_the_US_due_to_patent_mess/ |
| 19:40.22 | Snafu777 | Wow |
| 19:43.10 | Pali | :D:D |
| 19:44.35 | Snafu777 | I'm just glad I keep md5 verified copies of all .debs for my n900 |
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| 20:05.46 | XATRIX | Pali: there's no u-boot-tools on merlin |
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| 20:09.52 | merlin1991 | I disagree http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/pool/free/u/u-boot/u-boot-tools_2012.10-rc3-1_armel.deb |
| 20:11.01 | XATRIX | :( |
| 20:11.16 | XATRIX | Sorry bro |
| 20:17.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never told not to use apt |
| 20:19.56 | XATRIX | You told me not to use apt-get update ? |
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| 20:26.55 | Snafu777 | ~ngrep |
| 20:26.55 | infobot | network grep. URL: http://www.packetfactory.net/ngrep/ |
| 20:27.20 | Snafu777 | ~infobot |
| 20:27.20 | infobot | well, infobot is me, http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ // The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot // apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker |
| 20:27.53 | Snafu777 | ~dd |
| 20:27.53 | infobot | from memory, dd is `dd': Convert and copy a file `dd' copies a file (from standard input to standard output, by default) with a changeable I/O block size, while optionally performing conversions on it. 'info dd' for more info |
| 20:28.36 | XATRIX | ~u-boot-flash |
| 20:29.03 | Snafu777 | Hat had had :) |
| 20:29.24 | Snafu777 | ~ninja |
| 20:29.25 | infobot | ninja is, like, http://test.lowmotion.org/u_users/480/ninjalesson.jpg, or realultimatepower.net |
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| 20:30.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: I told you to never use apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:30.23 | Snafu777 | ~pwnphone |
| 20:30.31 | XATRIX | ah.. |
| 20:30.32 | Snafu777 | BAh! |
| 20:30.36 | XATRIX | alright |
| 20:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell Snafu777 about query |
| 20:31.40 | Snafu777 | :( |
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| 20:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: though actually you better use HAM, particularly for stuff that's kinda "tricky" - alas it's not exactly simple to estimate for a newcomer what's tricky and what's not |
| 20:35.55 | Snafu777 | Doc, what could ham do that apt doesn't do? |
| 20:36.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | a lot of experienced users never use HAM, but they also know how to use apt correctly and which particular care needs to be taken when installing packages that are special, like system updates or hw stuff etc |
| 20:36.30 | Snafu777 | Touché |
| 20:36.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Snafu777: for example it shuts down whole system to something like single user mode |
| 20:36.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | for system updates |
| 20:36.53 | Snafu777 | Tru |
| 20:37.28 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: wait, does HAM has different way hadling the dependencies than apt ? |
| 20:37.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:37.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually it has |
| 20:37.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has an additional layer on top of what apt does |
| 20:38.15 | Snafu777 | Can u expound that "layer" doc? |
| 20:38.18 | XATRIX | crap :) |
| 20:38.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can tell that from the groups you see in HAM |
| 20:38.30 | XATRIX | But it takes forever to search something with HAM :) |
| 20:38.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are non-visible-in-HAM packages |
| 20:39.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: it takes even longer to recover from some major system messup doen by unexperienced apt usage |
| 20:39.56 | XATRIX | I can't argue with this :) |
| 20:40.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. apt-get dist-upgrade usually is a sure way to mess up your system to a degeree where reflashing is your best recovery startegy |
| 20:40.37 | sixwheeledbeast | has other N900 and is pleased with himself |
| 20:40.39 | Snafu777 | So just don't do it? |
| 20:40.50 | Snafu777 | Other? |
| 20:40.57 | sixwheeledbeast | *another |
| 20:41.00 | sixwheeledbeast | doh |
| 20:41.15 | Snafu777 | Ah |
| 20:41.19 | Snafu777 | I wish I has another |
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| 20:41.40 | Snafu777 | My poor n900 is a stupid testbed these days |
| 20:41.54 | Snafu777 | pwnphone v3... It's coming! |
| 20:43.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | as a general rule you can safely install via apt-get install all commandline tools |
| 20:43.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | except i2ctools ;-P |
| 20:44.18 | Snafu777 | Hmm? I installed that via dpkg-deb just fine |
| 20:45.08 | XATRIX | What if i use appdownloader... Seems like it's from CSSU ? |
| 20:45.20 | XATRIX | Is it safe... ? It support search |
| 20:46.09 | Snafu777 | My best advice to you XATRIX, just experiment bro |
| 20:46.21 | Snafu777 | The n900 is pretty unbrick able |
| 20:46.28 | XATRIX | Yes, but i don't want to screw things up again :) |
| 20:46.38 | Snafu777 | So make a backup |
| 20:46.47 | Snafu777 | Using backup menu |
| 20:47.03 | XATRIX | If i could take a snapshot and later reflash it again into, i will be free to experiment with |
| 20:47.34 | XATRIX | Backup menu sucks.. It does backup calendar,contacts,software... What about system libs and so on |
| 20:47.38 | nox- | btw backupmenu still has problems with kernel updates? |
| 20:47.53 | Snafu777 | No idea |
| 20:48.01 | Snafu777 | I don't update my kernel :) |
| 20:48.08 | nox- | *nod* |
| 20:48.10 | Snafu777 | I stick with kp51 |
| 20:48.38 | Snafu777 | But, I use a commercial version of the n900 os |
| 20:48.39 | Snafu777 | Pwnphone |
| 20:48.40 | XATRIX | Is PK under development or it's abandoned ? |
| 20:50.32 | Snafu777 | So out of curiosity, who here uses their n900 for what? |
| 20:50.39 | Snafu777 | I use it for penetrating |
| 20:50.47 | Snafu777 | Pentesting rather |
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| 20:50.53 | joga | thanks for clarification |
| 20:50.55 | joga | ;P |
| 20:51.05 | Snafu777 | Stupid iOS autocorrect |
| 20:51.27 | Snafu777 | But, what do y'all use it for?? |
| 20:51.38 | joga | I use it as a mobile terminal and phone (but phone use is like maybe 1%) |
| 20:51.41 | XATRIX | As a mobile computer |
| 20:51.53 | XATRIX | IM, Mail, slighly web, ssh |
| 20:52.08 | joga | but have used it as robot controller and such too, for games and coding, whatever |
| 20:52.10 | sixwheeledbeast | ~reflash |
| 20:52.11 | infobot | [reflash] zImage and/or initrd.bin on CF and press C+D+Reset (collie) OR updater.sh, zimage.bin and/or initrd.bin on CF/SD and press OK while rebooting, then option 4, then CD or SF, then HAI (yes), then wait and cross fingers (all other models) |
| 20:52.31 | joga | mobile computer is a pretty good description I guess |
| 20:52.35 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm not the information i was looking for |
| 20:52.53 | nox- | ~flashing |
| 20:52.53 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:53.21 | sixwheeledbeast | ta |
| 20:53.54 | Snafu777 | Anyone here use their n900 to hack with? |
| 20:54.56 | Snafu777 | I cannot be the only one |
| 20:55.30 | joga | well I was supposed to use it as a portable wireshark (easydebian+usb ethernet dongle+wireshark) but can't remember if it worked as well as intended, tried briefly but the screen space is pretty small for the interface |
| 20:56.12 | Snafu777 | Yes it is tiny |
| 20:56.23 | Snafu777 | I use mine as an intermediary |
| 20:56.44 | joga | but you could say I do hack with it since it serves so many purposes, a macgyvery phone |
| 20:57.02 | Snafu777 | Grab packets and view later |
| 20:57.12 | Snafu777 | Hacked WEP with it yet? |
| 20:57.19 | joga | I don't do pentesting though nor try to "hack" as in do nasty things to others :p |
| 20:57.33 | NIN102 | invasion of the script kiddies :-* |
| 20:57.42 | Snafu777 | Hacking is not bad |
| 20:57.58 | joga | I'm just not interested in doing that |
| 20:58.55 | Snafu777 | Script kiddie eh |
| 20:58.55 | Snafu777 | Hmm |
| 20:58.55 | Snafu777 | Fighting words |
| 20:59.06 | NIN102 | Snafu777: ethical is not, indeed. |
| 20:59.13 | Snafu777 | U and me at the flagpole after school bud |
| 20:59.16 | joga | the sort of hacks I do with it are maybe more like graphing out metro movement with the accelerometer and such |
| 20:59.22 | Snafu777 | I never said anything about unethical |
| 21:00.02 | Snafu777 | I said pentesting |
| 21:01.22 | NIN102 | ookay. |
| 21:02.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: backupmenu does NOT suck, it does an update of ALL |
| 21:02.15 | XATRIX | hmm |
| 21:02.18 | r00t^home | where are sip account settings stored on the filesystem? |
| 21:02.45 | Snafu777 | Somewhere beneath / :) |
| 21:02.54 | r00t^home | thanks, just what i needed to know! |
| 21:03.10 | r00t^home | so they are not stored in a unlinked file, good to know! |
| 21:03.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: since BM updates *all* (except kernel itself) it will still restore wrong kernel modules when you restore a backup done before kernel update |
| 21:03.23 | nox- | :/ |
| 21:03.49 | r00t^home | grep -r says ~/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg |
| 21:05.28 | r00t^home | ok, now where is the PASSWORD stored... :\ |
| 21:06.18 | r00t^home | guess i'll have to do it the old fashined way and walk over to the person i want to talk to instead of calling |
| 21:06.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: you're free to save away your current kernel's modules and restore them after resoring the wrong ones from your BM backup |
| 21:07.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply not restore *all* but only the needed stuff to recover |
| 21:09.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | or roll back to the correct kernel matching your backup before restroing (probably the best method) |
| 21:11.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | r00t^home: gconftool -R /|less |
| 21:12.03 | XATRIX | BatterPatch :)))))))) |
| 21:12.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq! |
| 21:12.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~batterypatch |
| 21:12.20 | infobot | somebody said speedpatch was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] |
| 21:12.25 | XATRIX | BatteryPatch For Unstable Devices :)))))))))))))))))))))) |
| 21:13.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, indeed |
| 21:13.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | works as advertised: instability guaranteed |
| 21:13.43 | XATRIX | You're slowing down technical progress ;)))) |
| 21:15.05 | XATRIX | So, you say if i mess up my kernel or something like this backup will help me back ? |
| 21:15.10 | XATRIX | Or maybe some libs packageg |
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| 21:17.12 | XATRIX | merlin1991: I need your help here :) I found two packages: 1) U-boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 2) uboot-pr13 |
| 21:17.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, when you mess with kernel even backupmenu can't help you out (at least you'll need to reinstall correct kernel too) |
| 21:17.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | if device doesn't boot then backupmenu can't work |
| 21:18.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | it at least needs to *start* bootup |
| 21:18.03 | XATRIX | What's the difference ? And how do i actually act, to make my handset : 1) Boot stock maemo kernel 2) Boot latest (and updatable) Kernel power 3) something else |
| 21:18.35 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: But if it's operational, bakcupmenu can revive EVERYTHING ? |
| 21:18.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:19.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | flashing a clean PR1.3 + backupmenu restore shall recover you to same state as of time of backup |
| 21:20.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | except if you updated / changed kernel prior to backup |
| 21:20.08 | XATRIX | Wait, do you mean that backup i can access through the main menu ? |
| 21:20.22 | XATRIX | There's a 'safe' icon |
| 21:20.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | in which case you have to redo that manually after flashing before BM restore |
| 21:20.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean backupmenu |
| 21:20.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 21:20.49 | infobot | i heard backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 21:21.11 | XATRIX | Oh, crap...that's definately something different |
| 21:21.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | the other one is hildon backup |
| 21:21.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply maemo stock backup app |
| 21:21.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | BM is the greatest thing since N900 |
| 21:22.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | It always take me wonder how Nokia could dare to ship N900 without BM as a stock functionality |
| 21:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | hildon backup is kinda extremely over-engineered |
| 21:23.53 | XATRIX | Yep |
| 21:24.01 | XATRIX | Can i also integrate BM into the U-boot ? |
| 21:24.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | optimized for the standard case, failig epically for everything that has slightest non-standard details |
| 21:24.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, since uboot and BM are different things |
| 21:24.26 | XATRIX | :( |
| 21:24.37 | XATRIX | So, how the hell i should use each of ? |
| 21:24.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | uboot is before linux kernel gets loaded, BM is *after* linux booted up to init |
| 21:25.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | they are supposed to coexist |
| 21:25.44 | XATRIX | So i can install it both ? via HAM |
| 21:25.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should be able to do that, yes |
| 21:26.51 | XATRIX | Will it brake down if i later install kernelpower it suppose to make changes in /boot |
| 21:27.00 | XATRIX | Maybe it won't work after |
| 21:27.56 | XATRIX | Also i received warning about using i2c-tools , it can damage my SoC |
| 21:28.13 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: well, osso-backup works fine if you're a normal user who never opened a terminal and only installed things from ovi :P |
| 21:28.26 | kerio | so... about 0% of the n900 users |
| 21:29.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | DocScrutinizer05KP will override uBoot. You need a special way to install KP as image to boot from uBoot as alternative kernel |
| 21:29.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I explained to you that uBoot lives in symbiosis with kernel in kernel's NAND partition |
| 21:29.59 | XATRIX | Yep |
| 21:30.09 | XATRIX | So , i have to make a file for /etc/boot |
| 21:30.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | flashing a new kernel will nuke not only the stock kernel but also uBoot |
| 21:30.18 | XATRIX | So , i have to make a file for /etc/bootmenu.d and place a boot record there ? |
| 21:30.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically yes |
| 21:30.56 | XATRIX | whats the way ? |
| 21:30.56 | kerio | not really |
| 21:31.00 | kerio | install kernel-power-bootimg |
| 21:31.06 | kerio | it has the file in bootmenu.d already |
| 21:31.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | please check tmo for that detail, it's like FAQ #2 |
| 21:31.40 | kerio | and the latest u-boot-flasher brings in fiasco-do-update-ask, which lets you cancel a flash of kernels that aren't uboot |
| 21:32.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh, will that work for 'normal' kernels? |
| 21:32.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | no it won't since those kernels' preinstall doesn't call fiasco-do-update-ask |
| 21:32.59 | kerio | ah, but fiasco-do-update-ask is just a diversion of fiasco-do-update |
| 21:33.06 | kerio | which *is* used by everything that flashes a kernel |
| 21:33.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | or if they do, then it doesn't probably ship with uBoot only |
| 21:33.53 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it wraps around fiasco-do-update |
| 21:34.05 | kerio | (or maybe fiasco-image-update, but w/ever) |
| 21:34.20 | kerio | it checks the version string of the kernel to flash and of the flashed kernel |
| 21:34.27 | kerio | if they differ too much, it asks for confirmation |
| 21:34.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | okaaaay |
| 21:35.10 | XATRIX | Doing a backup with BM |
| 21:35.11 | kerio | so you can keep kernel-power-flasher installed |
| 21:35.18 | kerio | and still have u-boot |
| 21:35.39 | XATRIX | Then installing u-boot, KP-bootimg or in the reverse order ? |
| 21:35.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | correct order |
| 21:35.58 | XATRIX | Ok |
| 21:36.12 | kerio | XATRIX: kernel-power/kernel-power-modules/kernel-power-flasher, then u-boot-tools/u-boot-flasher, then kernel-power-bootimg |
| 21:36.28 | sixwheeledbeast | having trouble flashing mmc on new device. |
| 21:36.31 | sixwheeledbeast | Error setting alternate interface: Invalid argument |
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| 21:36.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
| 21:36.47 | sixwheeledbeast | am i doing somthing stupid |
| 21:36.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash rootfs aka COMBINED |
| 21:37.17 | sixwheeledbeast | combined flashs fine but not emmc |
| 21:37.27 | sixwheeledbeast | flashes* |
| 21:37.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | blacklist cdc_phonet |
| 21:37.54 | XATRIX | That's harder than i thouhg :( |
| 21:38.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | BLACKLIST, not just rmmod/modprobe -r |
| 21:39.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: what you expected? You're jumping head first into the most advanced and sophisticated stuff maemo fremantle has to offer |
| 21:39.27 | XATRIX | Yea |
| 21:39.36 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, what about creating initfs image with softupd binary used for flashing eMMC? |
| 21:39.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | without making yourself familiar with the basics first |
| 21:39.49 | XATRIX | I do... |
| 21:39.53 | Pali | so it will be possible to flash eMMC without working rootfs... |
| 21:39.58 | XATRIX | I'm learning in a practice |
| 21:40.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and I'm getting tired to give you lessens. Sorry it's geberally a good approach, but you're too fst and demanding for me today |
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| 21:41.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I guess that's exactly how eMMC flashing aka Mk-II works |
| 21:42.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | just that it uses rootfs instead of initfs from flasher |
| 21:42.30 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, eMMC flashing is done by /usr/sbin/softupd |
| 21:42.35 | XATRIX | Yea, i know :( But if that's wouldn't be you guys, i would get into a serious troubles :( |
| 21:42.56 | Pali | so if I create initfs + kernel and load it via NOLO I can use flasher-3.5 to flash eMMC |
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| 21:43.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ack |
| 21:44.02 | XATRIX | kerio: I don't see kernel-power-modules/kernel-power-flasher inside the HAM |
| 21:44.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if friggin softupd is open |
| 21:44.15 | Pali | no closed |
| 21:44.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | HARM? |
| 21:44.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | gitorious? |
| 21:44.34 | XATRIX | :) AGM-88 |
| 21:44.38 | Pali | on fremantle and harmattan closed |
| 21:44.44 | Pali | no source code on internet |
| 21:44.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 21:44.50 | Pali | alredy tried to google |
| 21:44.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | suckers |
| 21:45.00 | Pali | and also wrote nokia dev maintainer |
| 21:45.07 | Pali | he wrote me that it is closed |
| 21:45.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ORLY |
| 21:45.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for info, nokia |
| 21:45.51 | XATRIX | kerio: only 1) Linux kernel (boot image) 2) Linux kernel for BFS user 3) Linux kernel for BFS user (boot image) 3) Linux kernel for power user 4) Linux kernel for power user (boot image for multiboot) |
| 21:46.10 | Pali | install 3) and 4) |
| 21:46.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's about johnwil, wouldn't he maybe... I mean, how large can softupd be? |
| 21:46.24 | Pali | 121508 |
| 21:46.32 | Pali | -rwxr-xr-x root/root 121508 2010-03-18 18:49 ./usr/sbin/softupd |
| 21:46.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 21:46.48 | Pali | deb package verion: 0.4.4+0m5 |
| 21:46.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | too heavy for jonwil? |
| 21:46.58 | XATRIX | But where's the kernel-power-flasher ? |
| 21:47.00 | kerio | Pali: is there an x86 version? |
| 21:47.05 | Pali | kerio, no |
| 21:47.12 | Pali | only on downloads.maemo.... |
| 21:47.30 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, I have already sniffed commands via USB |
| 21:47.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: parts of uboot and PK are only available on pali's site |
| 21:47.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | or in tmo |
| 21:48.05 | XATRIX | Em... which one? |
| 21:48.15 | XATRIX | I'm using merlin1991 repo |
| 21:48.16 | Pali | XATRIX, install 3) and 4) and uboot |
| 21:48.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g KP52 |
| 21:48.43 | XATRIX | Pali: yep...i'm trying to |
| 21:48.51 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, here is info which I RE: https://gitorious.org/0xffff/0xffff/blobs/master/doc/mkii |
| 21:48.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | which of the both 3)? ;-P |
| 21:49.01 | Pali | needed for client side |
| 21:49.07 | XATRIX | But what does Doc meant? |
| 21:49.26 | XATRIX | Pali: what is your site for PK ? |
| 21:49.27 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, of course kernel-power :-) |
| 21:49.40 | Pali | ~kp |
| 21:49.40 | infobot | [kp] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 |
| 21:49.52 | Pali | read first post |
| 21:50.06 | Pali | read first two lines |
| 21:50.07 | XATRIX | crap :( i've already installed it |
| 21:50.18 | XATRIX | But without kernel-power-flasher |
| 21:50.24 | XATRIX | You told me late |
| 21:50.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you installed an obsolete version |
| 21:50.46 | Pali | correct order is: kernel-power, kernel-power-modules, kernel-power-flasher |
| 21:50.48 | XATRIX | Any possiblitly to uninstall ? |
| 21:50.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you haven't installed flasher yet, you probably can revert |
| 21:50.55 | Pali | install new version |
| 21:50.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | askpal |
| 21:51.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask Pali |
| 21:51.13 | Pali | if -flasher is not installed nothing happened |
| 21:51.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | what I thought |
| 21:51.57 | XATRIX | I added merlin1991 repo, installed 'Linux kernel for power user' and 'Linux kernel for power user(boot image for multiboot) |
| 21:52.19 | Pali | then you flashed version from extras |
| 21:52.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | 48 |
| 21:52.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | 46? |
| 21:52.38 | XATRIX | how can i check ? |
| 21:52.40 | Pali | now you can update to last version from TMO |
| 21:52.45 | XATRIX | 2.6.28.10 |
| 21:52.45 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, 50 or 51 |
| 21:52.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 21:52.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow |
| 21:53.06 | Pali | every kernel-power is 2.6.28.10 |
| 21:53.12 | XATRIX | Yes, :( |
| 21:53.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | really, maerlin's mirror has KP50? |
| 21:53.21 | XATRIX | i don't know how to extract the subversion |
| 21:53.31 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, in extras is 50 or 51 |
| 21:53.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh! |
| 21:53.42 | XATRIX | ~tmp |
| 21:53.44 | XATRIX | ~tmo |
| 21:53.44 | infobot | tmo is probably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. |
| 21:53.54 | Pali | ~kp |
| 21:53.54 | infobot | well, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 |
| 21:54.02 | Pali | [22:50:04] <Pali> read first two lines |
| 21:54.06 | XATRIX | ok |
| 21:54.13 | Pali | Doc, look: http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/ |
| 21:54.21 | Pali | Fremantle Extras free armelkernel-power 2.6.28-10power50 |
| 21:54.38 | XATRIX | Pali: can i uninstall my current KP ? |
| 21:54.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | W*T*F?! kp50 is almost a year old? |
| 21:55.10 | Pali | XATRIX, you cannot uninstall kernel |
| 21:55.17 | Pali | you can only flash another |
| 21:55.21 | XATRIX | Yes :( |
| 21:55.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: actually *never* uninstall kernels |
| 21:55.29 | Pali | which you want? |
| 21:55.37 | XATRIX | latest one |
| 21:55.40 | Pali | nokia default kernel or kernel power? |
| 21:55.45 | XATRIX | KP |
| 21:55.49 | Pali | I really do not understand what you want now |
| 21:55.56 | Pali | ~kp |
| 21:55.56 | infobot | kp is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 |
| 21:56.01 | Pali | [22:54:00] <Pali> [22:50:04] <Pali> read first two lines |
| 21:56.11 | XATRIX | Seems like i installed KP not from the proper repo |
| 21:56.18 | XATRIX | it has no flasher |
| 21:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-03-03 22:53:54] <infobot> well, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 |
| 21:56.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-03-03 22:54:02] <Pali> [22:50:04] <Pali> read first two lines |
| 21:56.33 | XATRIX | i'm on it... |
| 21:57.17 | Pali | correct order of installation is: kernel-power kernel-power-modules kernel-power-flasher kernel-power-bootimg |
| 21:57.35 | XATRIX | ok |
| 21:57.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | best you download those with wget |
| 21:58.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | and use dpkg -i kernel-power kernel-power-modules kernel-power-flasher kernel-power-bootimg |
| 21:58.14 | Pali | no no no |
| 21:58.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | nonono? ;-P |
| 21:58.25 | Pali | you need to call one dpkg -i for each package |
| 21:58.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | rly? |
| 21:58.41 | Pali | you cannot install all kernel-power packages with one dpkg -i |
| 21:58.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never do |
| 21:58.43 | Pali | yes |
| 21:58.49 | Pali | because of pre depends |
| 21:59.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, i call it 4 or 5 times XP |
| 21:59.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | until it throws no more errors ;) |
| 21:59.30 | Pali | :D |
| 22:00.13 | sixwheeledbeast | i believe I have blacklisted cdc_phonet still not working |
| 22:00.19 | sixwheeledbeast | USB device found found at bus 010, device address 052. |
| 22:00.19 | sixwheeledbeast | Error setting alternate interface: Invalid argument |
| 22:00.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | modprobe -r cdc_phonet. if it DOESNOT throw error, something's odd |
| 22:00.59 | Pali | blacklisting cdc_phonet is not needed anymore with last flasher |
| 22:01.03 | XATRIX | Can you explain me one thing i can't get myself... Pali's manual tells us a temorary link to KP, but should i add it as new repo ? Or how can i operate with it ? |
| 22:01.10 | sixwheeledbeast | it doesn't throw an error everytime over and over |
| 22:01.22 | Pali | XATRIX, download that DEB packages |
| 22:01.30 | XATRIX | And ? |
| 22:01.40 | Pali | install them via dpkg -i as root |
| 22:01.48 | XATRIX | I supposed to install it with HAM ? |
| 22:01.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-03-03 22:57:53] <DocScrutinizer05> best you download those with wget |
| 22:01.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-03-03 22:58:08] <DocScrutinizer05> and use dpkg -i kernel-power kernel-power-modules kernel-power-flasher kernel-power-bootimg |
| 22:02.02 | Pali | XATRIX, you can also with HAM |
| 22:02.09 | Pali | but is is slow via HAM :-) |
| 22:02.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | but in this particular case I'd suggest to use apt-get |
| 22:02.23 | Pali | XATRIX, open downloaded file via file manager |
| 22:02.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | err dpkg |
| 22:02.28 | XATRIX | But, it won't update my current KP right ? |
| 22:02.35 | Pali | XATRIX, it update |
| 22:02.38 | XATRIX | OK |
| 22:02.41 | XATRIX | i'll try |
| 22:02.57 | Pali | XATRIX, look at correct order!!! |
| 22:03.09 | Pali | otherwise it will fail |
| 22:03.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: also how's ham to know about tmo? or pali's own "repo" |
| 22:03.41 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, you can install downloaded DEB package via HAM |
| 22:03.53 | Pali | just click on deb package in file manager |
| 22:04.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I seem to recall that installing debs via clicking on URL in microb doesn't really work |
| 22:04.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, in file manager |
| 22:04.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a PITA |
| 22:04.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | use dpkg -i |
| 22:04.36 | Pali | this working without root |
| 22:04.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 22:05.03 | Pali | you need to install rootsh via this method |
| 22:05.06 | Pali | or enable R&D mode |
| 22:05.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd hope somebody installing KP already *has* rootsh |
| 22:05.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | everything else feels... silly |
| 22:06.26 | kerio | doesn't have rootsh |
| 22:06.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | what a poweruser is that who needs KP but doesn't want root on his device? |
| 22:06.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | must be kerio |
| 22:06.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 22:07.23 | kerio | d: |
| 22:07.25 | Pali | somebody with working root shell :-) |
| 22:07.38 | Pali | not **** rootsh package |
| 22:07.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 22:07.59 | kerio | Pali: you can say "fuck" on the internet |
| 22:08.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | fixing **** rootsh config is easy |
| 22:08.10 | XATRIX | Nokia-N900:/home/user/MyDocs/kernel# dpkg -i kernel-power_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb kernel-power-modules_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb kernel-power-flasher_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb kernel-power-bootimg_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb |
| 22:08.13 | XATRIX | Is it ok ? |
| 22:08.15 | Pali | no |
| 22:08.23 | XATRIX | :( |
| 22:08.23 | Pali | one dpkg for one file |
| 22:08.28 | XATRIX | Ah |
| 22:08.30 | Pali | dpkg -i kernel-power_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb |
| 22:08.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: try it |
| 22:08.42 | Pali | then dpkg -i kernel-power-modules_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb |
| 22:08.44 | Pali | ... |
| 22:08.47 | XATRIX | Ye |
| 22:08.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | it will throw error, so just try it again, it will throw less errors |
| 22:09.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can even try dpkg -i *.deb |
| 22:09.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you only got those 4 *.deb in your CWD |
| 22:10.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 22:10.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | after 4th invocation it shouldn't throw any more error |
| 22:10.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're done |
| 22:11.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, Pali's method is cleaner |
| 22:11.30 | XATRIX | http://fpaste.org/pEgj/ - hope it's ok |
| 22:11.42 | Pali | >>> [23:08:04] <DocScrutinizer05> fixing **** rootsh config is easy <<< I know how |
| 22:11.51 | Pali | but you think that it will break some apps |
| 22:12.01 | Pali | but I do not think |
| 22:12.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks good |
| 22:12.08 | kerio | the fun thing is that DocScrutinizer05's configuration for passwordful "sudo gainroot" breaks maemo semantics |
| 22:12.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | now reboot, and pray |
| 22:12.32 | kerio | it'll be just kernel-power, it'll work |
| 22:12.35 | kerio | there's no uboot |
| 22:12.44 | Pali | XATRIX, its ok |
| 22:12.57 | XATRIX | Wait a bit, Pali's manual said kernel-power-bootimg - it's a multiboot |
| 22:13.14 | XATRIX | If i get it correct multiboot != uboot |
| 22:13.20 | Pali | no |
| 22:13.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a uBoot bootimage |
| 22:13.30 | Pali | bootimg package contains kernel bootimg |
| 22:13.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not uBoot yet |
| 22:13.38 | Pali | which can be used for uboot or multiboot |
| 22:13.38 | XATRIX | ahh |
| 22:13.42 | XATRIX | ok, rebooting |
| 22:13.55 | Pali | do you have uboot installed? |
| 22:14.00 | XATRIX | Not yet |
| 22:14.11 | Pali | you can install it now if you want |
| 22:14.15 | Pali | before rebooting |
| 22:14.15 | XATRIX | ok |
| 22:14.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 22:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: maemo semantics? |
| 22:14.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is that? |
| 22:14.59 | kerio | sudo gainroot is supposed to be passwordless |
| 22:15.06 | kerio | (and only working in rd mode) |
| 22:15.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, it is? |
| 22:15.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | shrug |
| 22:15.27 | kerio | that's what stock does |
| 22:15.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody using R&D mode |
| 22:16.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | if there's any such thing like maemo semantics or rather gainroot semantics then it's that of fekkered rootsh which several borked packages require |
| 22:17.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, my fix to rootsh is breaking the broken pakckages that depend on sudo gainroot |
| 22:17.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ANd I LOVE IT! |
| 22:17.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | since that's braindead BS to code an app |
| 22:18.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you need sudo for your app, add a sudoers.d/* file |
| 22:18.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | or run your root process as root already |
| 22:18.49 | Pali | onlt qradio and clean900 needs rootsh, see: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/rootsh/1.8/ |
| 22:19.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you don't need any sudo gainroot undigestable hackery |
| 22:19.16 | Pali | we can patch both apps and fix root shell in gainroot |
| 22:19.25 | XATRIX | Pali: what's the correct order? 1) u-boot-tools 2) u-boot-flasher ? |
| 22:19.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | why didn't we already, for CSSU? |
| 22:20.04 | Pali | XATRIX, yes |
| 22:20.26 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, what for CSSU? |
| 22:20.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | fixed rootsh |
| 22:21.08 | XATRIX | Pali: But i still have only - U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 AND uboot-pr13 in HAM |
| 22:21.15 | XATRIX | is it ok ? |
| 22:21.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd consider even adding a proper rootsh with password to a system that doesn't have any rootsh before isn't a bad thing to do |
| 22:21.41 | Pali | XATRIX, use "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1" |
| 22:21.46 | Pali | uboot-pr13 is old |
| 22:22.02 | XATRIX | wait as sec, this kernel is not KP |
| 22:22.18 | Pali | yes |
| 22:22.31 | Pali | U-boot will load kernel-power from bootimg package at runtime |
| 22:22.32 | XATRIX | So ? :( |
| 22:22.37 | XATRIX | AH |
| 22:22.42 | XATRIX | Alright |
| 22:22.57 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, possible and I have prepared this in my hdd in git |
| 22:23.08 | Pali | default root passwd is rootme |
| 22:23.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead! |
| 22:23.17 | Pali | and you can change it |
| 22:23.35 | Pali | also openssh server asking you for changing password |
| 22:23.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd just demand a proper user defined password as for ssh |
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| 22:24.19 | XATRIX | Old kernel version: 2.6.28.10-power52 | New kernel version: U-boot 2012.10-rc3 |
| 22:24.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it's not set yet |
| 22:25.06 | Pali | XATRIX, flash it! |
| 22:25.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: yes, ok |
| 22:25.14 | XATRIX | done |
| 22:25.45 | XATRIX | closed his eyes and pressed restart button |
| 22:26.03 | Pali | open keyboard |
| 22:26.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | !! |
| 22:26.12 | XATRIX | ) |
| 22:26.14 | Pali | with closed keyboard default kernel will be booted |
| 22:27.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | after selecting kernel to boot in uBoot you probably want to imediately close kbd so you don't end up in BM |
| 22:27.24 | XATRIX | Alright, i see: 1) Attached kernel 2) Internal eMMC 3) External SD card 4) U-boot boot order 5) U-boot console |
| 22:27.57 | Pali | XATRIX, this looks like bootmenu was not generated |
| 22:28.10 | XATRIX | I'm fucked up ? :( |
| 22:28.15 | Pali | do you have first eMMC partition MyDocs formated as FAT32? |
| 22:28.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | luckily this can get done |
| 22:28.24 | Pali | boot attached kernel |
| 22:28.29 | XATRIX | ok |
| 22:28.37 | XATRIX | about FAT32 - don't know |
| 22:28.49 | Pali | open xterm and post output of: df -h |
| 22:28.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: yes he has |
| 22:28.53 | Pali | and also: mount |
| 22:29.16 | Pali | XATRIX and output of (as root): u-boot-update-bootmenu |
| 22:29.33 | kerio | he probably didn't generate u-boot-update-bootmenu because he installed u-boot after the bootimg |
| 22:29.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: he installed uBoot after KP.img |
| 22:29.53 | Pali | u-boot calling u-boot-update-bootmenu is postinst |
| 22:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, kerio beat me to it |
| 22:30.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: run u-boot-update-bootmenu |
| 22:30.37 | Pali | and post output |
| 22:30.38 | XATRIX | Ye, but i'm waiting it to boot |
| 22:31.08 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, what is with extras-devel, autobuilder and maemo.org logging? |
| 22:31.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | logging? |
| 22:31.34 | Pali | I cannot log to maemo.org |
| 22:31.39 | Pali | invalid username or password |
| 22:31.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, login |
| 22:33.14 | XATRIX | http://fpaste.org/5Oer/ |
| 22:33.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | a: merlin1991 supposed to fix the hasum errors which I hope he does today (we don't need sophisticated checks for pkg integrity, just rebuild hashsum file) b): x-fade MIA, c): we opened a ticket and asked Nemein to fix it |
| 22:33.54 | Pali | XATRIX, it is OK |
| 22:33.59 | Pali | try to reboot |
| 22:34.02 | XATRIX | ok |
| 22:34.43 | Pali | ubi0:rootfs 227.8M 136.4M 87.1M 61% / |
| 22:34.59 | Pali | I do not belive 87 MB free space?? |
| 22:35.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: if that's "ok2 then I need to write up a user interface guideline for you |
| 22:35.08 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05 ^^^ this is possible?? |
| 22:35.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
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| 22:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ubi0:rootfs 228M 169M 56M 76% / |
| 22:36.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I have already lots of shit on that |
| 22:36.14 | XATRIX | 1) Maemo 5 with attached kernel 2.6.28-omap1 (Internal Nand) 2) Maemo 5 with kernel-power 2.6.28.10-power52 (Internal Nand) 3) U-Boot console |
| 22:36.27 | Pali | XATRIX, ok working fine |
| 22:36.36 | XATRIX | 1 = 2 ? |
| 22:36.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 22:36.50 | Pali | kernel 2.6.28-omap1 |
| 22:36.54 | Pali | kernel-power 2.6.28.10-power52 |
| 22:37.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, kernel-power |
| 22:37.06 | XATRIX | Yes, this is the order |
| 22:37.13 | Pali | 1) is default nokia kernel, 2) is kernel-power |
| 22:37.27 | XATRIX | And the default one, will actually work ? |
| 22:37.38 | Pali | default is first in menu |
| 22:37.39 | XATRIX | I suppose it doesn't exist anymore ? |
| 22:37.52 | Pali | no u-boot has glued default kernel |
| 22:37.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* it still exists, attached to uBoot |
| 22:38.10 | XATRIX | O_O |
| 22:38.13 | Pali | if you delete all kernels packages, you can always boot that one glued into uboot |
| 22:38.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | if however the kernel MODULES are still around is beyond me |
| 22:38.32 | Pali | yes, you need -modules package |
| 22:38.37 | XATRIX | ok |
| 22:38.56 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, what with "user interface guideline for you" mean? |
| 22:39.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean there are way too many error messages that are not meant to be errors |
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| 22:39.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no fat "OK everything FINE" at end |
| 22:40.17 | kerio | rootfs 228M 117M 108M 53% / |
| 22:40.20 | Pali | yes, changing them to warnings (or ignore them) is good idea |
| 22:40.28 | kerio | you n00bz |
| 22:40.34 | Pali | kerio, did you removed full rootfs? :D |
| 22:40.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Error: Invalid file - missing kernel or script file |
| 22:40.51 | Pali | I have about 10MB |
| 22:40.54 | kerio | optified things |
| 22:41.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | scares me to death ;-) |
| 22:41.10 | XATRIX | :) |
| 22:41.19 | Pali | if somebody is interesting.... need wiki page for uboot |
| 22:41.45 | Pali | XATRIX: default bootmenu entry can be configured with: ln -sf /etc/bootmenu.d/<entry> /etc/default/bootmenu.item |
| 22:41.47 | XATRIX | Ok, guys, i want to really thanks to all of you! You helped me as noone did :) And currently i have to go... See you tomorrow! |
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| 22:42.09 | XATRIX | Ok, i'll reconfigure it before i leave |
| 22:42.15 | XATRIX | It's a good idea to |
| 22:42.30 | Pali | and do not forget to run u-boot-update-bootmenu after change |
| 22:42.35 | XATRIX | Yea |
| 22:42.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
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| 22:43.20 | XATRIX | Hm... i currently have no /etc/default/bootmenu.item :) |
| 22:43.23 | MohammadAG | have a daemon do that when there's an inotify on /etc/bootmenu.d/* :P |
| 22:43.31 | MohammadAG | <Pali> XATRIX: default bootmenu entry can be configured with: ln -sf /etc/bootmenu.d/<entry> /etc/default/bootmenu.item |
| 22:43.34 | Pali | XATRIX, then attached menu is used |
| 22:44.17 | Pali | kerio, do you want to write uboot wiki page? :-) |
| 22:44.34 | kerio | not really, i'm kinda sleepy |
| 22:44.39 | kerio | i'm in bed |
| 22:45.15 | Pali | I'm going sleep too, bye :-) |
| 22:45.24 | kerio | night pal |
| 22:45.26 | kerio | 8 |
| 22:45.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: haha, nice |
| 22:45.31 | kerio | er, i |
| 22:45.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | cruft |
| 22:45.41 | XATRIX | Ok, now it's working ! |
| 22:45.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | bye Pali |
| 22:45.47 | XATRIX | Thanks thanks thanks! |
| 22:46.06 | MohammadAG | night Pali |
| 22:46.22 | XATRIX | goodnight guys! |
| 22:46.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8 |
| 22:46.47 | MohammadAG | getting a USB DAC soon, would be nice to have it working on the N9 |
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| 22:47.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, no way |
| 22:47.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | HARM 666 |
| 22:47.14 | MohammadAG | maybe I'll butcher the N900 patches into the N9 kernel |
| 22:47.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | won't work |
| 22:47.39 | MohammadAG | why? it'd just need 5V boost I'd guess |
| 22:47.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, it's different hw |
| 22:48.03 | MohammadAG | same musb though? |
| 22:48.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually it should be simpler than on N900 |
| 22:48.25 | MohammadAG | I assume cause the ID pin is connected |
| 22:48.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | that too |
| 22:48.50 | MohammadAG | then besides something handling vboost what else is missing? |
| 22:49.00 | MohammadAG | or is the whole switching mech missing? |
| 22:49.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | otoh two alternative boost systems in device |
| 22:49.45 | MohammadAG | use rand() to pick one, easy as pie! :P |
| 22:49.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | twl4030 chagepump and bq2415x boost |
| 22:50.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | if twl4030 would start chargepump as supposed to do with standard kernels, it might smoke up system since it tries to charge same time via bq2415x |
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| 22:51.16 | MohammadAG | (stop bme?) |
| 22:51.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you need: "standard" beagleboard OTG kernel stuff, remove twl4030 chargepump, replace it by bq2415x-boost |
| 22:51.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and stop bme |
| 22:51.51 | MohammadAG | AND stop bme? |
| 22:51.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | AND stop bme |
| 22:52.18 | MohammadAG | wouldn't using twl4030 as boost and stopping bme make the device ignore bq*? |
| 22:52.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | which again is kernel->userspace and thus EVIL |
| 22:53.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | err yes, probably |
| 22:53.16 | MohammadAG | so it shouldn't smoke up :P |
| 22:53.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I doubt twl4030 chargepump works as supposed |
| 22:53.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and bq2415x would still enter emergency chaging mode |
| 22:53.58 | MohammadAG | what if the USB device is self powered? |
| 22:54.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | due to chip reset on bme stopped |
| 22:54.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't cjange a thing, it still needs VBUS on N9 |
| 22:54.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | without VBUS the musb won't start a session |
| 22:54.58 | MohammadAG | is the N950 the same? |
| 22:55.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | basicaly yes, afaik |
| 22:55.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody ever seen schematics of 950 |
| 22:55.38 | MohammadAG | so small question |
| 22:55.44 | MohammadAG | why hasn't anyone picked this up? |
| 22:55.50 | MohammadAG | aegis-fu and open mode? |
| 22:55.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro has |
| 22:56.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | then lost interest after some tries |
| 22:56.19 | MohammadAG | did he get something working? |
| 22:56.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, not more than I did: vboost |
| 22:56.58 | MohammadAG | he got vboost working? |
| 22:57.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got booston working |
| 22:57.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2 years ago |
| 22:57.27 | MohammadAG | so only OTG needs to be fixed? |
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| 22:57.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, 'only' kernel OTG needs to get fixed |
| 22:57.53 | MohammadAG | (and the fuck? it's been 2 years since the N9 was out?) |
| 22:58.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | as I said, mostly beagleboard stuff I'd guess |
| 22:58.25 | MohammadAG | hmm, that's a fun project to work on |
| 22:58.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | good luck! |
| 22:58.40 | MohammadAG | where are the latest N9 sources? |
| 22:58.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | drop by and ask if you need help |
| 22:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | #harmattan |
| 22:59.09 | MohammadAG | I'm always here (at least when my home PC doesn't shut down, I moved znc to it) |
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