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00:34.29DocScrutinizer05initial sync to new server infra completed
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00:35.40DocScrutinizer05of course all bugs got copied as well
00:36.32DocScrutinizer05apropos bugs: bmo still not working, db connectivity issue
00:39.35DocScrutinizer05*new* rmo online
00:39.51DocScrutinizer05I do *not* suggest to use it productively yet
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01:25.28DocScrutinizer05so today is birthday of our new infra
01:26.35DocScrutinizer05let's hope we soon can christen it (DNS)
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01:43.23DocScrutinizer05http://213.128.137.28/showthread.php?p=1325297
01:43.41DocScrutinizer05lights a fat cigar
01:44.11merlin1991:D
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02:30.09GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, what's the HiFo status?
02:32.52DocScrutinizer05*you* ask *me* what's the HiFo status? LOL
02:32.59DocScrutinizer05in which regard?
02:33.11DocScrutinizer05my personal mental HiFo damage status?
02:33.15DocScrutinizer05;-P
02:34.18DocScrutinizer05it seems uvan has stepped back irreversibly and undeniably today
02:34.22DocScrutinizer05ivan
02:34.40GeneralAntillesI'm not on the CC for the various infra discussions. :P
02:34.55DocScrutinizer05ooh infra discussion. HAH
02:34.58GeneralAntillesIs the IPHH situation still "unofficial"
02:35.06DocScrutinizer05well, err
02:35.20DocScrutinizer05it never been inofficial in my book
02:36.25DocScrutinizer05HiFo officially agreed to ship the server there so we can go on installing it. then Rob came with his demand for a HOSTING(!!!) contract
02:36.47GeneralAntillesSo no additional movement has taken place since the last update I saw?
02:37.16DocScrutinizer05while before it was just like 2check what contract we get from them, if it's ok 8what been assumed to be tha case) then we will continue this way"
02:37.42DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1325483&postcount=17
02:37.48DocScrutinizer05and before
02:39.28DocScrutinizer05since in my book the "maximal damage" from HiFo POV is already done (they might not be able to claim back the server if IPHH was rogue), there's little they can do except hoping for the contract papers we intend to send to them
02:40.01Lars-Do all you guys in here use a n900 ?
02:40.15DocScrutinizer05all we will do from now on will both heal and stabilize the situation
02:40.42merlin1991Lars-: not necessearily all, but quite a few
02:40.50GeneralAntillesSome N9s and N950s, too.
02:40.56DocScrutinizer05first step on this path benn done today with the server papers sent by Falk
02:41.02DocScrutinizer05been*
02:41.33DocScrutinizer05storage contract will follow eventually next few days
02:43.33Lars-Is the n950 good?
02:43.40DocScrutinizer05rare
02:43.57DocScrutinizer05and expensive
02:44.00merlin1991and I don't like the hw keyboard
02:44.14merlin1991I just can't type fast on it
02:44.21DocScrutinizer05and i don't like the c-ts 8and the kbd neither)
02:45.10DocScrutinizer05kbd is second worst kbd I ever seen in embedded (except from foil and dead-flesh kbds)
02:45.21DocScrutinizer05worst been eten's M800
02:47.10DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: does this answer your question?
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02:48.50DocScrutinizer05dang, first freemangordon then GeneralAntilles :-/ what's wrong with my answers?
02:50.29GeneralAntillesI'm skinning some squash. :P
02:50.39DocScrutinizer05extinguishes the fat cigar he ignited when sending http://213.128.137.28/showthread.php?p=1325297
02:50.54GeneralAntillesand, yes, that answers my question.
02:52.39thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: where is the cake?
02:53.16DocScrutinizer05in the kitchen, right side
02:53.30thedead1440haha
02:53.32DocScrutinizer05and please bring me another bottle of beer from the fridge
02:53.45thedead1440infobot: send DocScrutinizer05 another bottle of beer
02:53.45infobotGo (.*?), DocScrutinizer05
02:54.44DocScrutinizer05~literal send DocScrutinizer05 another bottle of beer
02:54.44infobotGo (.*?), DocScrutinizer05
02:54.58DocScrutinizer05~factinfo send DocScrutinizer05 another bottle of beer
02:54.58infobotthere's no such factoid as send docscrutinizer05 another bottle of beer, DocScrutinizer05
02:55.21DocScrutinizer05~factinfo cmd send DocScrutinizer05 another bottle of beer
02:55.21infobotDocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as cmd send docscrutinizer05 another bottle of beer
02:55.25DocScrutinizer05meh
02:55.32DocScrutinizer05commands, PITA
02:55.36thedead1440hehe
02:56.57DocScrutinizer05~send x y
02:56.57infobotGo (.*?), x
02:57.11DocScrutinizer05~send x
02:57.36thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: infobot hates you ;)
02:57.50DocScrutinizer05sure
02:58.12DocScrutinizer05since i'm the smarter bot of us two
02:58.37thedead1440haha no Wikiwide is smarter :-p
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03:02.17DocScrutinizer05~literal cmd: send (.*?) (.*?)
03:02.17infobot"cmd: send (.*?) (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> Go (.*?), $1"
03:02.42DocScrutinizer05bs
03:02.51DocScrutinizer05~factinfo cmd: send (.*?) (.*?)
03:02.51infobotcmd: send (.*?) (.*?) -- created by macnewbold <n=mac@69.2.248.251> at Wed Oct  5 17:41:56 2005 (2701 days); it has been requested 19 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 5m 54s ago.
03:03.14thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: Wikiwide answers your query here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1324353#post1324353
03:04.02DocScrutinizer05infobot: forget cmd: send (.*?) (.*?)
03:04.02infoboti forgot cmd: send (.*?) (.*?), DocScrutinizer05
03:06.27DocScrutinizer05~cmd: send (.*?) (.*?) is ($whom) ($where): <reply> Go $where, $whom
03:06.52DocScrutinizer05~send (.*?) (.*?) is ($whom) ($where): <reply> Go $where, $whom
03:06.53infobotGo $2, (.*?)
03:07.01DocScrutinizer05FU!
03:11.05merlin1991~cookie
03:11.26merlin1991~pet
03:11.37merlin1991ah that was it
03:11.38merlin1991~botsnack
03:11.38infobot:), merlin1991
03:13.25DocScrutinizer05~cookie
03:13.28DocScrutinizer05~cookie
03:13.31DocScrutinizer05~cookie
03:14.04DocScrutinizer05listkeys "zip "
03:14.13DocScrutinizer05~listkeys "zip "
03:14.37DocScrutinizer05~listkeys "rfc "
03:14.46DocScrutinizer05oh, only
03:15.26DocScrutinizer05~listkeys send (.*?) (.*?)
03:16.04DocScrutinizer05~factinfo cmd: send (.*?) (.*?)
03:16.04infobotthere's no such factoid as cmd: send (.*?) (.*?), DocScrutinizer05
03:16.34DocScrutinizer05~factinfo cmd: send (.*?) (.*)
03:16.34infobotcmd: send (.*?) (.*) -- created by macnewbold <n=mac@69.2.248.251> at Wed Oct  5 17:40:31 2005 (2701 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 9m 42s ago.
03:16.45DocScrutinizer05~forget cmd: send (.*?) (.*)
03:16.46infoboti forgot cmd: send (.*?) (.*), DocScrutinizer05
03:18.04DocScrutinizer05OHLOL, Skry and thedead1440 *thanked* me on that new tmo :-P
03:19.07thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: we need to maintain your x8 ratio before you suffer a public meltdown for that too :-p
03:19.50Skry;)
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04:01.37eccerr0rI think I finally gained enough evidence to know exactly what's up with my charging situation...
04:02.17eccerr0rI am now drawing 600mA+ from my bench PSU... and the culprit?  Bad microusb plug...
04:05.16eccerr0rnow charging at 0.6A at 5.15V through this 8" Nokia cable that came with my 5230 ... not even the CA-101 charged at 0.6A... :\
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04:09.26eccerr0rlooks like I'll have to buy a AC10U or something.
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07:12.43Macerblah
07:12.49Macerfmobi is still broken
07:12.52Macer:/
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08:00.38eccerr0rhmm... how does one install dev libs for armel in the SDK?
08:02.38eccerr0rI don't know why the rootstrap doesn't contain libgnutls
08:02.57eccerr0rmaybe I'll just copy these files over from my n900 as a workaround...
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08:29.20Jeffrey04installing packages through the application manager fails after i enabled extras-devel, is there anyway i can check what is wrong?
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08:30.24thedead1440Jeffrey04: hashsum error? the app manager has a logs option to describe what went wrong...
08:31.01Jeffrey04thedead: how can i get the log? i just received this n900 this morning :P
08:31.31Jeffrey04it just says Downloading $packagename failed. Try again?
08:31.41thedead1440click the top tab and click on log
08:31.51Jeffrey04ok found it
08:31.57thedead1440its probably hashsum error due to the repos having an issue
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08:31.59thedead1440~mirror
08:31.59infobotsomebody said mirror was http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error
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08:32.39Jeffrey04there's a lot of this "Ignoring version from wrong domain" messages in the log
08:32.40thedead1440use extras-devel.merlin1991.at; you can download on your device the repo enabler by entering this link on browser: http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/extras-devel-light.install
08:33.29eccerr0rcrap.  lying that I had python 2.4 didn't work :p
08:34.02eccerr0rgot through configure at least...
08:34.40thedead1440Jeffrey04: thats most probably the downloads.maemo.nokia.com error messages due to the GPG key expiring iirc; those messages shouldn't be the cause
08:35.02thedead1440but its best you disable extras-devel and use merlin's extras-devel as the latter doesn't have hashsum error
08:35.35Jeffrey04lol, the certificate problem still not fixed?
08:35.44thedead1440yeah still not fixed...
08:35.48Jeffrey04i remember seeing the thread on tmo quite some time ago
08:36.47thedead1440Jeffrey04: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle/Repositories  <--- for explanation on the gpg key
08:40.05Jeffrey04thedead1440: changed repo *finger-crossed*
08:40.09Jeffrey04thanks for the help
08:41.16Macerhm
08:41.41Macerneed a tabbed putty for symbian :/
08:41.47Macerseriously missing that
08:41.54eccerr0ris there a package that will upgrade the python-2.3.4 in scratchbox in the SDK?
08:42.19eccerr0rugh... that symbian putty I was using on my 5230 ate my battery.
08:42.40Macerheh. the one on the e7 isnt too bad
08:42.53Jeffrey04lol, all my catalogs are gone all of a sudden
08:42.55Maceri didnt think the one on the n95 was bad a while back
08:43.25Macerif i knew belle was so awesome i would have gotten an e£u a long while ago
08:43.33Macere7
08:43.44eccerr0rso far I can leave openssh sessions on my n900 but symbian-putty s60v5 on my 5230 makes the phone get hot
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08:44.04Maceryeah. i miss using my n900
08:44.12Macermy modem broke on it
08:44.19Maceri use it at home sometimes as an nit
08:44.26Macermight ebay it for parts soon
08:44.28eccerr0rI miss the gps on my 5230... else... not really :D
08:44.50Macerat least symbian belle has nokia drive
08:44.59eccerr0rI broke the charging circuit on my 5230...else it wasn't that bad a phone...
08:45.13Macerthat ovi maps made me want to find whoever made it and shoot them in the face
08:45.29Macerso they could never make anything... ever again
08:45.47eccerr0rthe ovi maps for the 5230 isn't that bad, the ovi maps for the n900 leaves much to be desired...
08:45.48Macerit was awful
08:45.55Macerheh
08:46.04Maceryeah.. n810 was just as bad
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08:46.21Maceronly thing that was good about were on device maps
08:46.26Macerbut drive does that too
08:46.28eccerr0rthe 5230 actually had turn by turn but it's not perfect.
08:46.31Macerdrive is awesome
08:46.37eccerr0rn900... none.
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08:47.00Macerheh.. i cant remember... i remember trying to just get directions was a chore
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08:47.34Macerwhich in turn made me just go inside and swap the sim with my old G1 for gnav
08:47.42eccerr0ryes, at most you'd get a list for directions... it's good enough for me I guess, as long as the maps are there and I can get my location.
08:48.01Maceryeah.. but just getting to that point
08:48.14Macerit was the most unintuitive nav app ever made heh
08:48.22eccerr0rvery true.
08:48.45Maceri could speak to my G1 lol... drive to address...
08:48.59Macergnav only sucks because you need a net connection
08:49.08eccerr0rI copied the 5230's ovimaps data to the n900, so at least it doesn't need to download anymore...
08:49.12Maceri found out what a pain that was driving cross country
08:49.37Maceri just use the e7 and download the US map
08:49.45eccerr0ryeah the 5230's ovimaps just needed GSM for agps
08:49.56eccerr0rit just takes a while to get a lock without it
08:50.19Maceryah.. awesome part was when nokia took down the agps address
08:50.21eccerr0ri haven't tried what the n900 does without GSM but has all of ovimaps downloaded.
08:50.22Macerlol
08:50.29eccerr0rheh...
08:50.32eccerr0rthat was fun.
08:50.35Maceryah
08:50.41eccerr0rsupl.nokia.com. wtf.
08:50.47Macern900 takes like a year to lock
08:50.50Macerwithout it
08:51.01Macerif a bird flies by it.. it has to start over
08:52.20Macerit is insane
08:52.23warfareI need to reboot repository.maemo.org
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08:52.39Macerdont do it!!
08:52.42Macerheh
08:52.52eccerr0rafter thinking about it, the 5230 took a while to lock sometimes too, sometimes it was fast, but I don't know what supl server it was set to...
08:53.27Macersometimes it could just have a good enough ... whats the word im looking for?
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08:53.41Macerlike if you used it the previous day
08:53.51eccerr0rpossible.
08:53.59Maceri forgot what it was called
08:54.04eccerr0ralmanac?
08:54.11Maceryes
08:55.32keriohm, is the NAND in the n900 SLC?
08:55.38eccerr0rhmm.. i really should figure out a way to power the 5230/nuron externally...so it still can be used as a GPS... :D
08:55.41Macerin the military we had these ancient gps systems called plgr
08:55.53Macerlooked like something from wargames
08:56.07Macerand only gave coordinates
08:56.18Macertook just as long to lock on and didnt have the agps
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08:57.14eccerr0rI highly doubt it's SLC... since it's so slow... heh j/k no clue about this...
08:57.42Macerit is probably some class 2 embedded sdhc
08:57.50Macerit is pretty bad
08:58.05Macerah well. zzz. take care
08:58.07kerioMacer: yeah, it's not
08:58.14kerioi'm talking about the NAND
08:59.15Jeffrey04lol, added extras-devel mirror repo manually to HAM, and now it is broken
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09:04.55thedead1440Jeffrey04: what do you mean by broken? You can always remove the repos and why not just use apt-get? HAM is painfully slow anyway
09:05.17Jeffrey04now clicking catalog doesn't show the repo (empty list)
09:05.27Jeffrey04and clicking install doesn't list all the available categories
09:05.42Jeffrey04should have installed rootsh first ):
09:05.44thedead1440can you check via terminal /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon*.list
09:06.24thedead1440you can still install rootsh; download and click on it on device.
09:06.40thedead1440http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.8_all.deb
09:06.59eccerr0rthe categories in HAM all disappear when the updates fail... should be able to update the source list in HAM and refresh and the options will show up again
09:07.29eccerr0rat least that's what it seemed to do when I had none of the repositories enabled/working
09:07.31Jeffrey04the repos are in the .list files
09:08.08Jeffrey04packages list is back, but apparently connection to maemo.org timeout :(
09:08.21Jeffrey04weird, probably will just stick with apt-get in future
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09:09.31Jeffrey04ooo, http://repository.maemo.org/ is down
09:12.11Jeffrey04ok, ham seems to work now
09:12.29kerioDocScrutinizer05: rmo is down
09:13.12Jeffrey04thedead1440: eccerr0r: thanks
09:13.19thedead1440np ;)
09:13.58thedead1440repo.maemo.org VM has just been rebooted maybe that's why its down
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09:37.44thedead1440rmo back up now thanks to warfare
09:41.11keriodammit why am i not in the secret op channel :c
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09:45.53jargonstill no extras-devel?
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09:46.24Jeffrey04yay~
09:46.27thedead1440jargon: why not? extras-devel is up since quite sometime; it has hashsum issue for a small subset of packages only
09:46.59jargonthedead1440: hmm. let me try again. wasn't working for yesterday
09:48.01jargonthedead1440: no joy. still can't install frontcamera. is that one of the subset?
09:48.27thedead1440not sure; does it say hash sum error?
09:48.50thedead1440why not apt-get it otherwise? and install from /var/cache/archives/ using dpkg -i
09:48.51jargonthedead1440: no, just says it can't download it
09:49.18thedead1440maybe you need to refresh your catalogues as repos were down temporarily and have come back up now
09:49.18jargonthedead1440: oh. i was told never to apt-get and always use the pkg manager
09:49.21jargonhildon
09:50.00thedead1440o.O apt-get should not be used when upgrading CSSU releases but i don't remember it being said for everything else
09:50.27jargonthedead1440: doesn't it refresh the catalogues automatically on starting up hildon?
09:50.53thedead1440jargon: not sure; i don't use ham much but it won't hurt to refresh it once more :D
09:50.56jargonthedead1440: so i just open the terminal and run apt-get install frontcamera?
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09:51.01thedead1440yeah
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11:28.23PaliKay Sievers >> https://www.change.org/petitions/lennart-poettering-continue-writing-useful-programs
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11:30.24narcosHey maemoers. I want to re-flash my N900. It seems the nokia page where I need to download the goods isn't working. Is this the correct page? - http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php
11:35.26narcosPhew, I seem to have found the files from the last time I re-imaged
11:35.32jacekowski~mirrors
11:35.32infobotwell, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error
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11:36.09narcosjacekowski: Those seem to be repo mirrors, no?
11:36.29jacekowskihttps://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/
11:37.01narcosjacekowski: ah, great, thanks :)
11:37.36narcosjacekowski: I don't suppose you have the hashes of those two files?
11:37.47narcos( to compare to my existing download of them )
11:38.05jacekowski33c78a65ec8d69a611567051d1f777ff  RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin
11:38.08jacekowskib9f8690318a3be61767826d15b8c1784  RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
11:38.26narcosGreat, thank you!
11:39.37narcosOdd that I have a different hash for RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin, but same for the other
11:41.58narcosHm, I forget, do I flash the VANILLA or the PR_COMBINED first?
11:42.51narcos"When flashing the eMMC content, the safe way is flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, then remove battery for a moment, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image"
11:43.19narcosisn't sure what the difference is
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11:45.24Pali~seen romaxa
11:45.27infobotromaxa <~romaxa@31.7.60.130> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 27d 18h 27m 13s ago, saying: 'freemangordon: need to go at work, btw, I guess it would make sense keep most of discussions on #embedlite channel regarding embedlite (irc.mozilla.org)'.
11:50.40freemangordonPali: he went to sleep some 15 minutes ago :)
11:51.23Pali~factinfo poettering
11:51.23infoboterror: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required)
11:51.23infobotthere's no such factoid as poettering, Pali
11:52.00freemangordonPali: you can reach him on #embedlite, mozilla.org
11:52.04Palihm, who deleted poettering?
11:52.21Palifreemangordon, ok
11:52.24freemangordonisn't it poetering
11:52.28freemangordon~poetering
11:52.44Palino, double t
11:52.49freemangordon~poettering
11:53.02narcosAnyone have success using the flasher app on OSX?
11:54.02PaliDocScrutinizer05: poettering was deleted!
11:54.04narcosIt seems the device is detected, but then it promptly fails - http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5i5pYw9p
11:54.27Palinarcos, use linux flasher for flashing
11:55.03narcosPali: You mean from Linux as opposed to OSX, or use the Linux version on OSX?
11:55.04Palion other systems it sometimes not working correctly
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11:55.31Paliboot linux and use linux version of flasher
11:55.48narcosPali: OK, I'll try my Linux VM, otherwise will go find a linux box
11:56.17Paliforwarding usb port to VM is not good too...
11:56.57narcosahh
11:57.06narcosPali: OK, I'll go find a Linux machine
11:57.12narcosgoes searching
11:58.32Paliok, if you want to do full reflash (also delete all data from MyDocs) flash in this order: combined, emmc, combined
11:59.02Paliand do not boot device between flashing (only reboot)
11:59.58keriouses os x
12:00.11kerio~listkeys poettering
12:00.19kerio>:C
12:00.38Palipoettering was there!
12:00.45Paliban him
12:00.46kerionarcos: do you have some nokia shit installed?
12:00.52kerio~factinfo poettering
12:00.52infoboterror: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required)
12:00.52infobotthere's no such factoid as poettering, kerio
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12:04.08Pali~listkeys lennart
12:04.18Pali~lennart
12:04.18infobotLennart is ~Poettering
12:04.25Pali~Poettering
12:04.38Pali~listkeys Poettering
12:05.50Palikerio, do you know some replacement for ifplugd?
12:06.15kerio\_o_/
12:06.25keriowicd maybe?
12:06.53Paliifplugd is simple daemon which execute script when ethernet cable is plugged/unpluged
12:07.00keriocan't you use it?
12:07.07Paliwicd doing more, I need simple daemon
12:07.26Paliyes, I do not want to run poetteringed SW
12:10.07keriodon't be silly
12:10.17Paliifplugd has one big bug:
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12:10.32Paliif peridically polling for link status
12:10.43Palievery 1s
12:11.25Paliso not possible to use it on laptop on battery
12:11.27keriodoes the kernel have a facility for plug notification?
12:11.33Palinetlink
12:11.39PaliI think it should have
12:12.20Paliha, I found something:
12:12.29Palinetplug - network link monitor daemon
12:12.43PaliIt's similar to ifplugd, but uses NETLINK instead of regularly polling the link status. This improves power-consumption with laptops, but does not work with all network card.
12:13.11Palihttp://www.red-bean.com/~bos/
12:13.22kerioyay
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12:22.34Palinice, strace show me that netplug sleeping in poll syscall :-)
12:22.55Palino busy waiting for cable event :-)
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12:45.04narcosPali: OK I found a Linux box, trying from there now
12:45.12Paliok
12:45.22narcoskerio: What do you mean by 'some nokia shit installed' ?
12:46.11kerio"nokia suite" or something like that
12:46.22narcoskerio: no
12:46.33narcosgoes looking for the flasher deb
12:46.34narcos~mirror
12:46.34infobotextra, extra, read all about it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error
12:47.01kerioPali: is cold flashing only usable to flash a proper nolo?
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12:47.30Palikerio, cold flash sending 2nd & nolo image via omap peripheral boot
12:47.53Paliand seems that 2nd image flashing itself + nolo into n900 nand
12:48.02Paliand then 2nd boot nolo
12:49.06narcosHrm, any tips on where to find the Flasher .deb package, I don't see it in the above links ?
12:49.41Pali~skeiron
12:49.41infobotit has been said that skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
12:49.48narcos( given that  http://tablets-dev.nokia.com is down )
12:50.04Palihttp://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/
12:50.19Palidownload *Fremantle* flasher
12:51.20narcosPali: Great! maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb  , right?  ( Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool for Fremantle and Diablo, installation package for Debian based Linuxes (x86, 32-bit)  )
12:51.29Paliyes
12:51.47narcosk
12:56.41narcosPali: So, to confirm what you said earlier, I should run these 3 commands:   flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f  , flasher-3.5 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f  ,  flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f   . With no booting in between, just plugging in the phone and holding 'u'
12:57.10kerioyou forgot a -F
12:57.29kerioand you'll need to reboot the phone between each
12:57.32narcoskerio: Sharp eyes, thanks
12:57.39kerioat least, it's advised
12:57.45narcoskerio: So, -R , or manually reboot ?
12:57.52narcos( or same thing )
12:58.13kerioi'd remove the battery between each step
12:58.16keriobut it doesn't really matter
12:58.21Paliyou must only prevent booting system
12:58.35narcosOK, thanks, giving it a go now
12:58.35keriothe first combined is to make sure that the flashing of vanilla succeeds
12:58.44Paliremoving battery after reflash (and wait some time) should be safe
12:58.47narcosah ok
12:59.02kerioonce vanilla is flashed, flash combined and then you can do whatever
12:59.08Paliyou need (semi)working rootfs if you want to flash eMMC
12:59.47Paliand flashing eMMC destroing rootfs, so you need to flash rootfs again
13:00.09narcosaha, gotcha
13:00.47kerio"destroying"
13:00.57narcosheh
13:01.07Pali:-)
13:01.11narcosah, this is looking good, much more activity than from OSX
13:01.12kerio~optification
13:01.13infobotoptification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR,  http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3"
13:01.21kerionarcos: make sure to blacklist cdc_phonet
13:02.29Hurriannarcos: fwiw, if you want to use Flasher on OSX, for some reason Installer doesn't put the dylibs in properly anymore, and you have to copy them out manually (or use Pacifist)
13:02.29Paliflasher-3.5 (and 0xFFFF too) telling kernel to unload all kernels drivers attached to n900 usb
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13:03.27Palikerio, look: https://lwn.net/Articles/536546/ and then: https://lwn.net/Articles/536548/
13:03.57keriohaha
13:03.58kerionice
13:04.06narcoskerio: Blacklist cdc_phonet - is that in terms of flashing from OSX?
13:04.12keriono, from linux
13:04.28narcoskerio: I'm not sure what you mean by that?
13:04.32PaliI think that last flasher should work without it
13:04.33narcosHurrian: Ahhh ok
13:04.57narcosI'm already on the 3rd flash
13:05.02kerionarcos: you have to make sure that the cdc_phonet module isn't loaded by anything
13:05.06Palikernel deattaching kernel drivers from n900 usb
13:05.08keriobut whatever, if it worked it worked
13:06.17narcoskerio: Ah right, on the Linux box
13:06.25keriois this your first n900?
13:06.31narcoskerio: No
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13:06.57keriojust remember to install some flavour of cssu
13:07.21narcosFirst Google hit: Christadelphian Sunday School Union
13:07.24narcosProbably not that one
13:07.27keriowat
13:07.30kerio~cssu
13:07.30infobotfrom memory, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
13:07.47narcosJa had found that one ;)
13:07.59narcosLooks interesting
13:08.06keriocssu-testing is not installable at the moment, i think
13:08.49narcosOK 3rd flash done, trying to boot
13:12.08narcosAwesome, thanks guys :)
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15:06.03Sicelohow well does apk-env play with whatsapp on n900?
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15:08.21MohammadAGprobably not good enough, whatsapp uses UI elements
15:09.10Sicelook. for whatsapp, what would you recommend?
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15:10.07ampharos[l]slight problem with my N900 (just shipped :D) - there's no catalogs!
15:10.20ampharos[l]App Managaer says so, I checked, nothing!
15:10.27ampharos[l]I presume I want the stock catalogs
15:10.45Aoyagi_joytopHm. Isn't that related with repos still being probably down?
15:10.51Sicelolol Aoyagi_joytop. anyway, it's not that I want whatsapp.. i'm forced to use whatsapp (at work)
15:10.58ampharos[l]no
15:11.09ampharos[l]there are none at all since the dude did a factory reset
15:11.20ampharos[l]the repos are up anyways (my n800 can attest)
15:11.38Aoyagi_joytopOh, I should get up to date with the news then.
15:11.40Aoyagi_joytopconsults the topic
15:12.03Siceloampharos[l]: HAM does that sometimes.. don't panic. more likely the catalogs ARE there :-P
15:12.04Aoyagi_joytopSicelo: Hah, that's quite unfortunate.
15:12.32ampharos[l]reboot then?
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15:13.32ampharos[l]closed it, it's taking its time loading the catalogues, and they're back...
15:13.32Sicelotest in terminal.. maybe 'apt-get update'
15:13.38Sicelo:D
15:13.45Siceloexactly ;-)
15:13.46ampharos[l]it's working
15:13.53ampharos[l]no updates, woo
15:13.59SiceloMohammadAG: btw, good to see you :)
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15:15.08MohammadAGI've always been here :P
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15:15.19ampharos[l]wow the N900 is small
15:15.20MohammadAGSicelo, isn't there a whatsapp app?
15:15.27ampharos[l]it's just slightly bigger than the screen of the N800
15:16.14Sicelocan't make up my mind between Yappari and the Java one .. though maybe someone had experience of both
15:19.54keriowell, yappari kinda works
15:21.22ampharos[l]wait, how do I install software from CLI? sudo doesn't work so I think I'm stupid
15:22.29kerioyou need some kind of root access
15:22.42kerioinstalling openssh will let you set the root password
15:23.21ampharos[l]that'd be great, except I'm trying to install openssh
15:23.50keriouse HAM
15:24.58ampharos[l]Download of "OpenSSH Client" failed. Try Again?
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15:25.44keriodo you have extras-devel enabled?
15:26.27ampharos[l]repository.maemo.org/extras/ is on
15:27.20ampharos[l]i presume I need to add extras-devel?
15:27.47keriono you don't
15:27.54kerioand "failed" shouldn't really happen
15:28.02keriocan you get a more specific error message of some sorts?
15:28.12ampharos[l]it just gives yes or no
15:28.15ampharos[l]yes repeats and fails
15:29.21ampharos[l]503 Service Unavailable it seems
15:29.50ampharos[l]odd, my N800 seems to connect the maemo repos fine (freemantle problem?)
15:32.21ampharos[l]log http://ompldr.org/vaGx0Mw/log.txt
15:33.28MohammadAGhttp://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.2/free/o/openssh/openssh-common_5.1p1-6.maemo5_armel.deb seems to be down
15:34.53ampharos[l]oh no D:
15:36.01thedead1440use the files from here otherwise: http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/o/openssh/
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15:37.13amospallawhen repositories are working, I should update them without modifying them, right?
15:37.30amospallawith my old repositories settings, I mean
15:37.53thedead1440ampharos[l]: again thanks to warfare the issue has been fixed
15:38.02thedead1440try it again it should work now
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15:44.33Sicelokerio: according to the first few posts of the yappari thread, looks like you also need to have successfully setup the java port? weird
15:45.09thedead1440Sicelo: that's old instructions; Yappari doesn't depend on the java port anymore and the java port actually doesn't work anymore.
15:46.45Siceloah. cool. :-)
15:47.45ampharos[l]it's working now
15:47.47ampharos[l]thans
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15:50.48ampharos[l]which is the best su tool? in maemo 4 I use rootsh
15:52.21Sicelosudo su - or sudo -i , i believe
15:53.07ampharos[l]i don't think sudo works - it asks for a password
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15:56.48kwtmHi! Need some quick help (I've got 5min left). Under what directory do I find the videos/photos that I've taken with the N900 built-in camera?
15:57.39ampharos[l]N900 -> DCIM
15:58.12ampharos[l]little counter-intuitive but it's what every camera since the invention of fire uses
16:00.01kwtmSorry, what is N900 -> DCIM ?  Is there a /N900 directory under the root directory?  I don't see it.  Do I have to be root to see it?
16:00.13Sicelo<PROTECTED>
16:00.22kwtmOh, I guess I wasn't clear.  I'm ssh'ing into the N900 and trying to pull out the files by fish://
16:00.31kwtmGot it Sicelo Thx
16:00.32ampharos[l]why?
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16:05.03kwtmSicelo: It worked! Thanks!.  ampharos[l], I will leave it as an exercise to you to figure out why on earth I would ever want to get my photo/video files from my N900.
16:05.29ampharos[l]usually you could just use USB and mount MyDocs
16:05.45ampharos[l]unless his USB is totalled...
16:06.54Sicelolots of valid reason to do so ;-)
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16:07.38Siceloampharos[l]: about root, there is rootsh for fremantle (which i installed long ago) .. it appears that it's not 'exactly' the recommended way to become root.
16:07.50kerioit's a huge kludge
16:07.54Sicelotry to ssh into N900 as root.. should work
16:08.22Siceloah.. kerio is here.. he can guide you better :-)
16:08.50keriowhat
16:08.51keriono
16:08.53keriono i'm not
16:08.54kerioflees
16:09.02Sicelo:D
16:14.44kerioampharos[l]: rootsh is a piece of crap, set up your own sudoers file
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16:48.36narcosHm, I assume maemo should be able to read FAT32, right?
16:49.30narcos"Memory card format unsupported"
16:50.53Sicelomaybe dead card.
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16:51.20Siceloyou can install CLI tools on N900, suck as cfdisk..
16:51.47narcosSicelo: I can read/write to it on Ubuntu
16:53.12Sicelohmm, check to see if you 'really' have a partition there.. btw, you can try to mount it in N900 from terminal.
16:54.47narcosSicelo: Can the default user 'sudo' to use mount?
16:56.15Sicelono
16:56.52Sicelowell, i'm not sure i understand you.. if you can 'sudo apt-get get install..' then you can also 'sido mount..'
17:00.30narcosSicelo: On a fresh install I don't think we get given root/sudo access with the default user account I mean - without installing rootsh ?
17:00.38narcostries reformatting the card
17:02.13Sicelobtw, some cards don't play well with N900.. i think Kingstons... check TMO
17:02.25keriofwiw the UI should be able to reformat the card
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17:06.26narcosSicelo: ah, it is a Kingston
17:06.40narcosI'm doing a complete format, so it's taking some time
17:22.48narcosstill unable to. Perhaps it's the Kingston theory.
17:25.29keriomeh
17:25.41kerionarcos: try installing kernel-power
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17:39.38Palinarcos, check dmesg if card was detected
17:39.58Paliand also do not forget to close back cover!
17:44.37ampharos[l]holy being able to use C# compilers on my phone is awesome :D
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17:48.54Estel_Pali,  how to stop shutting down device on low power, or whole bme replacement, to get same results?
17:49.33Estel_it's working ok, but on single-cell battery (device of family member) it's extremely hard to calibrate bq27x00
17:49.39keriohrmpf, how is PATH set when you run sudo
17:49.41kerioi don't get it
17:49.42Estel_as device is shut down like with normal bme
17:50.10PaliEstel_, bme replacement will shutdown device when EDV1 flag is set (so calibration is done)
17:50.14Estel_bTW, I insist on user-configurable (via sysfs?) voltage treeshold for shutting down device
17:50.19Estel_Pali,  not the case her
17:50.21Estel_here*
17:50.36Estel_device with vdq1 whole time, discharged till shutdown
17:50.42kerioPali: yeah, it doesn't do that here either
17:50.53Estel_still "calibration requiredn flag is set and no data update
17:51.00Palihm, maybe when battery is not calibrated it ignoring edv1 flag
17:51.04PaliI will look at it
17:51.08Estel_thanks
17:51.09kerioit's calibrated here
17:51.20kerioit doesn't shut down at EDV1, it shuts down at EDVF i think
17:51.24Estel_I still insist on user-configurable shutting down treeshold, yet
17:51.31Palikerio, no it was changed to edv1
17:51.38keriohm, then maybe it does?
17:51.44Estel_I would like to shut my device down on 3000 mv, not 3148, on dual-cell it's quite some mAh
17:51.46Estel_~70
17:51.46infobot70 are easy
17:51.47kerioand it means that you can't calibrate without shutting down
17:51.59kerioi agree, 3000 is better
17:52.04Palibecause I get more times errors from CellMO
17:52.12Estel_Pali,  user configurable
17:52.17Estel_with default on edv1?
17:52.36Estel_I don't care about cellMO errors (which I don't get even on 2900 mV, btw)
17:52.37Palinow default is edv1
17:52.40kerioEstel_: you're not supposed to shut down on EDV1 though
17:52.42Palibefore it was edvf
17:52.54Estel_Pali,  but edv need to be for 15 seconds plus
17:52.57Estel_or no calibration
17:53.07Palireally?
17:53.08Estel_so shutting down on edv1 = no calibration, ever
17:53.10Estel_yes
17:53.29Estel_it calibrates after 15 sec of being on edv1, witohut jumping above limit
17:53.32Estel_jumping above resets timer
17:53.44Paliok, I will add some timeout
17:53.50Estel_nod
17:53.51Estel_thanks
17:53.53Estel_nods*
17:54.08Estel_and what about my request to make it user configurable like charging current?
17:54.15Estel_shouldn't be too troubling to code?
17:54.42Estel_you know, like charge current ot termination current
17:55.27Estel_it's 70-100 mAh gain for big battery users, being able to set it lower
17:55.56Estel_OTOH, some people may experience instability of gsm modem in certain situations even above edv1, so they could set it higher
17:56.18Estel_^ Pali
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17:59.23narcosPali: Yeah dmesg sees the card
17:59.32narcosWell, saw, I'm trying a different card now
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18:18.45ampharos[l]no new updates? I'm on PR1.2...
18:19.04keriofwiw you should reflash to install pr 1.3 properly
18:19.11keriobut meh, updating to cssu should work
18:20.36ampharos[l]appearantly I need to upgrade to 1.3 first before CSSU
18:26.08juedanWhat dbus messages are sent out when the N900 connects to the WLAN?
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18:48.45DocScrutinizer05no, cssu update requires PR1.3 or Pr.1.3.1
18:48.58ampharos[l]yeah that;s the problem... how do I install it
18:49.06ampharos[l]ham (delicious) says there's no updates
18:50.05DocScrutinizer05since SSU update to PR1.3 happened like 2 years ago, or 3, it's literally expired ATM, so your best option is to flash COMBINED
18:51.11DocScrutinizer05I actually wonder how anybody can have PR1.2 on his device nowadays
18:51.17ampharos[l]i just got it
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18:51.31DocScrutinizer05then you should reflash it anyway
18:51.35DocScrutinizer05full reflash
18:51.38ampharos[l]good idea
18:51.39DocScrutinizer05~flash
18:51.40infobotrumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
18:51.42ampharos[l]havwn't done much so far
18:52.57DocScrutinizer05notice
18:53.00DocScrutinizer05~skeiron
18:53.00infoboti guess skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
18:53.20DocScrutinizer05nokia servers for flasher and fiasco images are defunct atm
18:54.30DocScrutinizer05since Nemein detected some "security flaws" in the stage master on maeo.org that provides content to tablets-dev.nokia.com
18:54.54DocScrutinizer05:-S
18:55.46PaliDocScrutinizer05, who and why deleted ~poettering?
18:56.01keriohold on, so tablets-dev is somewhere on *.maemo.org right?
18:56.03DocScrutinizer05wonders how you can dare to take down stage master for tablets-dev and accept tablets-dev.nokia.com going down for months
18:56.05keriowhy can't we make it public?
18:56.18kerioalso yes, someone deleted ~poettering
18:56.20keriomake him pay
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18:56.30DocScrutinizer05I did
18:57.00kerioD:
18:57.04keriomake yourself pay
18:58.08DocScrutinizer05I wasn't quite happy with it anymore
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18:59.21DocScrutinizer05a) it doesn't help teaching this guy to act in a less annoying way b) it made me look like an idiot, on factinfo
18:59.56DocScrutinizer05you're free to define a new factoid
19:00.03ampharos[l]it was a sad day when I saw "Checking for updates" on my N800 stall for a month
19:00.22ampharos[l]it's kinda back up, but now I have this N900
19:00.29kerioyay n900
19:01.51ampharos[l]and now i wait for it to charge
19:02.06DocScrutinizer05c) it didn't meet infobot factoid database standards for correct and eloquent english
19:02.43ampharos[l]sucks I'm using the charger and the av cable, but the earbuds from the N800 are still great anyways, all my TVs are CRTs, and everyone have 500 USB chargers lying around anyways
19:02.57ampharos[l]*missing
19:03.13kerioi actually checked
19:03.21kerionone of my usb chargers reach 1A
19:03.35eccerr0rneeds to get a "good" charger...
19:03.37DocScrutinizer05o.O
19:03.48kerioexcept for the nokia wallcharger obviously
19:04.04ampharos[l]i have a bunch of nokia 2.5mm ended ones
19:04.48ampharos[l]because for some reason I have a stack of C3-00s (that I can cannabilize for batteries - series 40 sucks) and my N800... and a brick that makes calls
19:06.07eccerr0rneeds to open his n900 and *really* solder the microusb port on...
19:06.55ampharos[l]i have no idea if my N900 is US or global
19:07.03kerioampharos[l]: global
19:07.06DocScrutinizer05gloobal
19:07.13keriono, global
19:07.14ampharos[l]global
19:07.20ampharos[l]s a universal firmware?
19:07.24kerioyep
19:07.41ampharos[l]stupid apostrophe - i keep hitting it and enter at the same time
19:08.25DocScrutinizer05there seem to be some small differences in modem firmware for US, but nobody ever reported anything but troubles during flashing with the US modem firmware
19:08.40kerioweeeeeeeeeell, the fmtx changes too
19:08.41ampharos[l](also - N900 is my first device that does WPS - never had to hit the button on my router before, ever)
19:09.00ampharos[l]i'm in canada - i think we use US freq. though
19:09.01keriosome regions don't have it enabled
19:09.03DocScrutinizer05kerio: oh right
19:09.06kerioampharos[l]: oh shit, disable it immediately
19:09.45ampharos[l]yeah
19:09.50DocScrutinizer05ampharos[l]: it's not about frequencies (except for FMTX maybe)
19:09.54kerioseriously
19:10.04kerioit can be bruteforced in a couple of hours
19:10.18DocScrutinizer05or a couple of seconds
19:10.27eccerr0rwhich is worse... WPS or WEP...
19:10.35DocScrutinizer05WPS
19:10.36ampharos[l]both at the same time
19:10.43keriothey're both awful
19:10.56ampharos[l]while wireless n is off...
19:11.00DocScrutinizer05WPS is sophisticated BS while WEP is silly simple BS
19:11.42DocScrutinizer05WWEP has better compatibility
19:11.47DocScrutinizer05WEP even
19:11.53eccerr0rso I guess WPS is worse :D
19:12.04DocScrutinizer05so if I had the choice, I'd opt for WEP any day
19:12.23kerioampharos[l]: wps uses an 8 digit pin
19:12.26DocScrutinizer05nobody needs or wants WPS
19:12.30ampharos[l]what pin?
19:12.32keriobut the 8th digit is a checksum, so it's 7 digits
19:12.54kerioand the first four can be checked independently, because the implementers apparently never so much *looked* at a security book
19:13.23kerioso that's 11000 tries at worst to enter your network
19:13.26eccerr0ryou know what's crappy security? n900 security lock, heh...
19:13.45kerioampharos[l]: wps has a numeric pin access too
19:13.50DocScrutinizer05there's no such thing like N900 security lock
19:14.08kerios/ lock//
19:14.11DocScrutinizer05so yes, that's crappy security ;-P
19:14.18eccerr0r:D
19:15.15eccerr0rmight be worth to setup cryptoloop or something... :\  just no hw security.
19:15.18DocScrutinizer05if you meant device lock, it's only to block your kids and friends to play with your phone while you're pooping
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19:16.22DocScrutinizer05once you got physical possession of some hw, there's hardly every decent security in such hw anymore
19:16.45DocScrutinizer05s/every/ever/
19:17.05ampharos[l]why not use it while pooping?
19:17.14ampharos[l]for the longest time my n800 was my toilet companion
19:17.17eccerr0r:D
19:17.23DocScrutinizer05even some supposedly hardened security usb storage sticks are cheating like ....
19:17.46kerioampharos[l]: laptop
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19:18.14eccerr0rmy n900 is usually in my pocket, my laptop isn't... :(
19:18.16DocScrutinizer05like e.g. simply EXORing the data with a plaintext pasphrase, if at all
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19:18.59kerioDocScrutinizer05: how are those supposed to work anyway
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19:19.09DocScrutinizer05they have a "unlock app" in .inf
19:19.12keriomeh
19:19.16DocScrutinizer05indeed
19:19.48ampharos[l]i hjave a laptop
19:20.28eccerr0rthe n900 is a more convenient toilet companion than even my ultrabook... :(
19:20.44ampharos[l]i don't want to lug a large laptop to the bathroom
19:21.03ampharos[l]or piss splashes up into the battery of fans
19:21.28eccerr0ror netbook even... have one of those too... but by golly the keyboard sucks on the n900 still :\
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19:21.53kerioampharos[l]: dude you're not supposed to put the laptop *in* the toilet
19:22.23DocScrutinizer05unless it's a panasonic toughbook ;-P
19:22.36DocScrutinizer05which wouldn't deserve but could stand it
19:22.38kerioeven then...
19:22.53ampharos[l]it's a nokia
19:23.02ampharos[l]what's the worst that could happen? the toilet breaks
19:23.29ampharos[l]my N800, C3 stack and 3595 are relegated to "beat people with"
19:23.30DocScrutinizer05toilet breaking on pana CF-29 only
19:24.13DocScrutinizer05better use Cf-29 to beat people with, as well. It's Afghanistan-proved
19:24.39ampharos[l]i have no toughbook
19:24.53ampharos[l]would a thinkpad do in a pinch? 486, but tough as nails like all TPs
19:25.31ampharos[l]except the keyboard, this particular thinkpad has a folding keyboard
19:25.37DocScrutinizer05friggin TP T500 fan broke for me after 7 months
19:25.55ampharos[l]i have a 701cs - motherboard ram is bad
19:26.30ampharos[l]486 DX4 @ 75 Mhz, 24 MB RAM, 520 MB disk, folding keyboard, it';s pretty cool
19:26.34DocScrutinizer05now I'm back to decent mini tower, which is a whole new feeling of comuting
19:26.49DocScrutinizer05no more overheating, RAW CPU GRUNT
19:26.56DocScrutinizer05i5
19:27.01DocScrutinizer05and SSD
19:27.08DocScrutinizer05fsck T500
19:27.12DocScrutinizer05;-)
19:27.21ampharos[l]i have a fast modern (Pentium D, but it's as good as it gets here) computer, but every so often I put my Pentium /// back - with linux she's fast
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19:27.41ampharos[l]i kill all pentium 4s - they have wronged be for being crap
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19:28.07kerioDocScrutinizer05: Panasonic recommends Windows 8.
19:28.21DocScrutinizer05lol, for sure not for CF-29
19:29.10ampharos[l]ui'm running my P3 right now - maxed ram, 500 mhz CPU... all I need is USB2 and a front panel plug and it'd be a fine flashing machine
19:29.16DocScrutinizer05yes it's true, some of the pana TB peripherals are hard to get working non-M$ drivers for
19:29.21DocScrutinizer05like the touchscreen
19:29.35DocScrutinizer05which now "works" under fedora on my CF-29
19:29.35kerioampharos[l]: ask DocScrutinizer05 for the specs of his latest computer
19:30.18DocScrutinizer05kerio: do you really suggest I need to do a dd now just to brag a bit?
19:30.41ampharos[l]5600 RPM IDE disk... not the fastest, but it's better than a dead disk
19:30.45kerioDocScrutinizer05: SSDs cheat, anyway
19:30.57kerioyou're never actually waiting for a flash page erase
19:31.07ampharos[l]also, don't underestimate the performance of a Core 2/Core based Celeron
19:31.11DocScrutinizer05well, if they cheat, then they do that *very* good and in a convenient way
19:31.13ampharos[l]those things are nippy and fast
19:31.19kerioampharos[l]: don't be silly
19:31.22ampharos[l]if I had a dual-core in that laptop she'd fly
19:31.40ampharos[l]I have low standards, possibly set by using Vista with 1 GB RAM for a year
19:31.53DocScrutinizer05kerio: I sustained >500MB/s write speed for >45s
19:31.58ampharos[l]and now I run Windows 8 with 1 GB RAM
19:32.18DocScrutinizer05kerio: then the copy been finished
19:32.19kerioDocScrutinizer05: yeah but you get to a point where you get diminishing returns
19:32.20Estel_ampharos[l],  makes me sick just by hearing about it
19:32.21ampharos[l]slightly hard multitasking (vm, browser, or a game, pick 2)
19:32.31ampharos[l]but it works, and DDR2 is expensive
19:32.41ampharos[l]i make everyone cringe, but I'm not made of money
19:32.41Estel_anything above xp with windows in name is uneatable
19:32.46ampharos[l]xp was terrible
19:32.51ampharos[l]insecurty os
19:33.02kerioi mean, 1080p60 porn with 7.1 uncompressed audio...
19:33.04Estel_said guy who's using 8 And used vista :D
19:33.07ampharos[l]vista was better (after patches, never used 7, skipped to 8)
19:33.09DocScrutinizer05but it *worked* kind of
19:33.25ampharos[l]vista was secure and modern, and as long as you didn't use a Pentium 4 it was fine performance wise
19:33.36Estel_xp was as secure as any windows it if you install shitload of patches and have sane firewall soft on router
19:33.41Estel_preferably powered by linux :P
19:33.46DocScrutinizer05vista was PITA-MAXIMA
19:33.49ampharos[l]i rmemeber not being able to install AV for years
19:33.52ampharos[l]or updates
19:33.56ampharos[l]so screw xp
19:34.06ampharos[l]vista was fine after slimming and patches
19:34.19Estel_I never used any AV on XP for years withnout problems, since it was behind good router with better firewall
19:34.23ampharos[l]as I said, skipped 7, but it seemed to be Vista SP3
19:34.27kerio>vista after slimming and patches
19:34.27Siceloampharos[l] speaks exactly like one of our MS 'gurus' at work
19:34.28Sicelo:P
19:34.29keriothat *is* windows 7
19:34.32Estel_vista and fine is funny in one sentence
19:34.34ampharos[l]i run debian 6
19:34.43Sicelohe also skipped 7
19:34.46kerio"i run debian 6" is also funny
19:34.46ampharos[l]it's fine, and so is ubuntu LTS
19:34.46Estel_Sicelo, lol :P
19:34.54ampharos[l]stable is stable
19:34.57ampharos[l]it's never broke
19:35.02keriostable is *old as fuck*
19:35.08keriowhich is the point, really
19:35.15ampharos[l]RHEL didn't work at all on my box, so, yay?
19:35.17Estel_ampharos[l],  then windows xp is bleeding edge in windows world, as everything later is backward :P
19:35.21Estel_step backward
19:35.36Siceloi still think he sucks, lol.
19:35.50kerioampharos[l]: my debian systems, even the one on my server, start with good intentions and then eventually degenerate to sid/experimental hybrids
19:35.56DocScrutinizer05you needed 3h of hacking to make things work on vista that worked OOTB on XP, and you couldn't get stuff to work at all on vista that you needed 3h of hacking to make it work on XP
19:36.03ampharos[l]i'm using backports, so...
19:36.07Estel_Į still have windoze in one machine, and it's xp. If it ever get replaced, it will be another gnu/linux
19:36.12ampharos[l]sometiomes I pull in Ubuntu PPAs, because I can
19:36.16Estel_DocScrutinizer05,  haha
19:36.18ampharos[l]it works, sometimes
19:36.30ampharos[l]<em>sometimes</em>
19:36.31kerioand right now, i still can't figure out a way to install steam on debian sid
19:36.35keriofucking ubuntu
19:36.46Estel_steam if fu
19:36.48ampharos[l]but I have a rage pro, so no steam
19:36.50Estel_use GoG :P
19:36.56ampharos[l]I tried Steam on Ubuntu
19:36.59ampharos[l]it was buggy as hell
19:37.02ampharos[l]insane bugs
19:37.05Estel_another drm nonsense
19:37.09kerioEstel_: team fortress 2
19:37.10ampharos[l]though my Intel chipset was VMWare SVGA
19:37.12Sicelono offence ampharos[l], but this is the same guy who has brought a big company to a grinding halt, too stubborn to install an antivirus, because he can 'patch' stuff.
19:37.26Estel_no idea why people ever use it, if GOG is cheaper, DRM free, more friendly, and got better games
19:37.31ampharos[l]tf2
19:37.37ampharos[l]i want to play tf2 but steam is buggy
19:37.38ampharos[l]it'
19:37.42ampharos[l]s buggy in windows
19:37.47ampharos[l]it's insanely buggy on linux
19:37.50ampharos[l]it's just frustrating
19:37.52Estel_steam == buggy drm shit
19:38.05Estel_GoG == no problem
19:38.09ampharos[l]i just bought an xbox instead, isolates drm to that while my linux boxes are drm free
19:38.12ampharos[l]gog doesn't have tf2
19:38.27ampharos[l]only reason people use steam
19:38.30Estel_can't get why some* people buy consoles, but, whatever
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19:38.40Estel_whatever it is :P
19:38.40keriook, to be fair, team fortress 2 is kinda awful nowadays
19:38.53kerioor maybe i just grew bored of it after ~450 hours
19:38.56ampharos[l]it's too big
19:39.00ampharos[l]12.2 gb asasdsdf
19:39.00Estel_no idea, mods to Arma are better :P
19:39.16kerio*the one mod to Arma with zombies
19:39.18ampharos[l]i'd play arma but I didn't like the first OpFlashpoint so....
19:39.23GeneralAntillesTo Each His Own
19:39.35Estel_kerio, I would love if they would replace zombie apocalypse with fallout'ish like apocalypse
19:39.41Estel_but, you can't have everything
19:39.59Estel_at least we would have something fallout 3 should be, and what it wasn't :P
19:40.03ampharos[l]...destiny looks good, fallout style sci-fi multiplay post-apoc
19:40.18ampharos[l]I'm waiting though. I never buy games on release, I wait first
19:40.33Estel_as for fallout'ish games, wasteland 2 and nothing else matters
19:40.44ampharos[l]wasteland 2 does look good
19:40.45DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: hi pal!
19:40.47kerionowadays, i mostly play red eclipse, and that's open source
19:40.47Estel_can even forgive them not being FOSS :P
19:40.56ampharos[l]i play doom 2
19:41.02Estel_well, wasteland is kickstarter-founded
19:41.08ampharos[l]and counter-stike: GO
19:41.13Paliinfobot: deb2dsc is on http://pastebin.com/ZPuYnZPr
19:41.13infobotokay, Pali
19:41.26kerioampharos[l]: try red eclipse!
19:41.48kerioit's a hardcore casual fps
19:41.48Estel_Pali,  have you missed my rationale for sysfs entry for setting treeshold for shutting down device?
19:41.53DocScrutinizer05Pali: sorry that's BS, since pastebin entries expire rather quickly
19:41.57Estel_also, Palip if you set times, it may be flawed too
19:42.08ampharos[l]i love fast-paced shooters, but too many have a hardcore attitude "omg scrub leave"
19:42.12ampharos[l]i like a relaxing one
19:42.12kerioampharos[l]: http://www.redeclipse.net/
19:42.17Estel_15 seconds after edv1 require voltage to be below edv1 whole time
19:42.21PaliON DEC 15TH, 2012 EXPIRES: NEVER
19:42.24ampharos[l]i'll try it when I switch computers
19:42.33ampharos[l]my rage pro only has working 3d in arch, and hahaha no
19:42.39Estel_so timer xxx seconds after edv1 will still result in no calibration, most of the times
19:42.41DocScrutinizer05Pali: ok then
19:42.42ampharos[l]i like my system working when I update
19:42.47kerioampharos[l]: it's got a ton of silly modes
19:42.53ampharos[l]silly is good
19:42.57PaliEstel_ not possible to create sysfs entry, because shutdown is called by dsme
19:42.58kerioand obviously people only play instagib :P
19:43.00Palinot kernel driver
19:43.01Estel_either you recreate what bq27x00 does, or make it user configurable, which sounds better and less pita
19:43.06ampharos[l]I loved halo 3, slow paced but lots of silly game modes possible
19:43.11Estel_Pali, ok, so whatever else to configure it?
19:43.14Estel_config file?
19:43.25keriogconf entry
19:43.29keriofor hald-addon-bme
19:43.36Palihm, I will create something
19:43.41Estel_thanks
19:43.45Estel_be blessed, son
19:43.56Estel_as current implementation is driving me nuts
19:44.02DocScrutinizer05Pali: though here "expires:" is empty
19:44.08Paliread gconf key on hal startup, could be possible
19:44.13DocScrutinizer05pastebin.com is a bitch anyway
19:44.20Estel_yes, said!
19:44.25Estel_(tm)
19:44.46ampharos[l]i liek pastie.org
19:44.47Estel_DocScrutinizer05,  zerobin sounds like OK
19:44.49ampharos[l]works real nice
19:44.55kerioPali: hm, why startup?
19:45.11Palikerio, because handling gconf change needs more code
19:45.17ampharos[l]of course if your logfile or something grew into megabytes (eww) i like uploading it whole on omploader
19:45.27kerioPali: hal can't be really restarted though
19:45.30kerioso you'd have to reboot
19:45.41Palikerio, hal can be restarted
19:45.48Palibut due nokia it is very tricky
19:46.07Palinokia did not implemented hal stop properly via upstart
19:46.29Paliproper way yo stop hal is: sudo stop hal; sleep 5; sudo /etc/init.d/hal stop
19:46.47Paliand then make sure with ps that hal is really not running
19:47.02Palistarting is possible (when not running) with start hal
19:47.33kerioPali: anyway, gconf configurations often work automagically at any time
19:48.09kerioso please consider having that configurable at ~any time
19:48.13Palikerio, if you have handler --> yes
19:49.28DocScrutinizer05Pali:
19:49.30DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
19:49.31DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
19:49.56DocScrutinizer05double test for -f, path relative to CWD
19:50.42DocScrutinizer05while former is redundant, the latter might be what you intended
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19:54.28DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
19:54.29DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
19:54.47DocScrutinizer05==   gunzip -c "$file" > debian/changelog || continue;
19:55.33DocScrutinizer05( I personally prefer [ ] over test... Matter of taste I guess)
19:56.47DocScrutinizer05the "]" however helps to keep stuff readable and doublechecked
20:05.28eccerr0r[ ... the command that looks like a delimiter...
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20:24.55ampharos[l]where did the windows flasher go>?
20:26.32ampharos[l]it wasn't mirrored
20:26.54ampharos[l]and i don't feel like setting it up on linux
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20:29.22Estel_use 0xFFFF on linux to flash N900
20:29.38Estel_~0xFFFF
20:30.57ampharos[l]yeah but I don't want to reboot and find 32-bit libusb and stuff
20:31.09ampharos[l]i'm already booted into windows on the flashtop
20:31.46Estel_sorry, no idea where it's mirrored. Use cygwin? :D
20:33.50ampharos[l]mingw for life!
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20:39.53DocScrutinizer05ampharos[l]: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ -> "maemo5 for nokia" -> "Command line flasher binaries are available *here*."
20:40.38DocScrutinizer05maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe3635195Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool for Fremantle and Diablo, installation package for Windows 7, XP and Vista (x86, 32-bit)
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20:45.23DocScrutinizer05wonders what for a 50EUR per month for server get paid by a volunteer each month, when people don't even bother to follow some links to find what they search for
20:46.20ShadowJKis it behind the tmo link?
20:46.28DocScrutinizer05hm?
20:46.36ShadowJKthe mirror info
20:46.44DocScrutinizer05~mirror
20:46.44infobothmm... mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error
20:46.49DocScrutinizer05~skeiron
20:46.50infobotit has been said that skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
20:50.11keriowhat the fucking fuck, "iputils-ping" is a symlink to busybox
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20:50.34kerio~pkg
20:50.34infobotrumour has it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/
20:51.17narcosHm, to install the power-kernel from .deb pacakges, what more do I need to do than     "dpkg -i kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb  ,  dpkg -i kernel-power-modules_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb   ,  dpkg -i kernel-power-flasher_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb"  ?
20:51.50keriooh nvm
20:55.59DocScrutinizer05marseems sufficient
20:56.08kerionarcos: that's correct, yes
20:56.13DocScrutinizer05meh
20:56.19DocScrutinizer05narcos: ^^^
20:56.23keriowell, you probably also want kernel-power-settings
20:56.31keriobut that's in the repos
20:56.34ampharos[l]it's all flashed now
20:56.46DocScrutinizer05or you dont
20:57.32ampharos[l]20.2010.36-2 is latest, hmm?
20:57.38DocScrutinizer05yup
20:57.57ampharos[l]awesome, thanks
20:57.59narcoskerio, DocScrutinizer: After the above commands, and rebooting, 'uname -a' doesn't give me a power-kernlel ?
20:58.05kerioit should
20:58.09kerioespecially the flasher
20:58.09DocScrutinizer05o.O
20:58.18kerioLinux kerio900 2.6.28.10-power52 #1 PREEMPT Thu Feb 14 17:38:57 CET 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux
20:58.25Sicelowhy are you installing an old one btw?
20:58.33keriooh, wait
20:58.35keriowhat the hell
20:58.47kerioindeed, why are you installing version 46
20:58.50narcosuname -r  ==> "2.6.28-omap1"
20:59.12kerioi totally missed the version
20:59.33narcosHm, I don't know why - I got it from an old backup it seems
20:59.41narcosand I had the .debs handy on a microsd card
20:59.45DocScrutinizer05i didn't bother since narcos asked "is it sufficient" not is it correct
20:59.51keriograb the KP52 debs from tmo
21:00.04narcosDocScrutinizer: Er, sorry, is it correct, then?
21:00.26DocScrutinizer05no, you probably want KP52 nowadays
21:00.33eccerr0rdang, i'm still running 2.6.28-omap1... need to update...
21:00.36DocScrutinizer05or at very least kp48
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21:01.26DocScrutinizer05~kp
21:01.27infobotwell, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665
21:02.00narcosDocScrutinizer05: So, from my above commands  s/maemo46/maemo52/g  ?
21:02.15DocScrutinizer05sounds kinda right, yes
21:02.27kerioit would be -power52
21:02.28keriobut yes
21:02.50narcoslooks for the debs
21:02.57narcos~mirror
21:02.57infobotwell, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error
21:03.08keriono
21:03.14keriokp52 isn't autobuilt
21:03.21kerioso it's not in repos
21:03.39narcosah
21:03.43DocScrutinizer05~kp
21:03.43infobotextra, extra, read all about it, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665
21:04.29narcosGreat, thanks, *reads*
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21:07.17narcosSo, to confirm, I need to add the extra-devel source, right? As with my 'out of the box' n900 I see '2.6.28-10power50' in the Hildon?
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21:08.15DocScrutinizer05*somewhere* in that lengthy thread Pali has buried the debs for kp52
21:08.21DocScrutinizer05~lart Pali
21:08.21infobotwhips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that Pali is stuck to the floor
21:08.59narcoslooks
21:09.03DocScrutinizer05find those on tmo thread, download them and install similar to above dpkg -i
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21:10.04Palifix extras-devel and kp52 will be installable by HAM
21:10.21DocScrutinizer05dafaq!
21:10.29DocScrutinizer05go fix it yourself!
21:10.44DocScrutinizer05edit http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1241732&postcount=1 !!
21:11.32DocScrutinizer05if only augmenting it with a link to more recent sources of info and debs
21:11.50narcosPage 15 it seems - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665&page=15
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21:17.50DocScrutinizer05narcos: :nod:
21:19.17DocScrutinizer05Pali: I'm tempted to clone builder VM, link it to xen and to a free IP, and appoint you for master sysop and maintainer
21:19.44kerioDocScrutinizer05: to prove to him that it's not easy, or to get a working autobuilder?
21:19.59DocScrutinizer05then you can go all day and night for "fix extras-devel and kp52 will be installable by HAM"
21:20.21DocScrutinizer05kerio: whatever happens first ;-)
21:22.45narcosDocScrutinizer05: Does the order matter ?
21:22.59narcos( i.e. is dpkg -i *.deb  OK )
21:23.19PaliDocScrutinizer05, first post updated
21:23.27DocScrutinizer05Pali: thanks
21:24.14DocScrutinizer05narcos: well, it kinda matters due to dependencies, I usually do dpkg -i kernel modules flasher; 3 times, after that all went thru ;-)
21:24.46narcosDocScrutinizer05: Heh, gotcha.
21:24.55DocScrutinizer05or dpkg -i *.deb
21:25.05DocScrutinizer053 times
21:25.16kerioDocScrutinizer05: i thought you were allergic to anything with a "-power" in the name
21:25.22narcos3 is the magic number?
21:25.42kerionarcos: dpkg sucks at dependency resolving
21:25.42DocScrutinizer05not really, but then I actually do NOT install PK usually either
21:26.00DocScrutinizer05narcos: 3 is the number of pkgs to install
21:26.05keriokernel-power-flasher has kernel-power as a pre-dependency
21:26.18DocScrutinizer05narcos: on each run it will install at least one
21:26.20kerioso you're supposed to manually install kernel-power first
21:26.36kerioand then, once kernel-power is fully installed, install kernel-power-flasher
21:27.13DocScrutinizer05yeah, or simply do dpkg -i *.deb; dpkg -i *.deb; dpkg -i *.deb
21:27.23narcosDocScrutinizer05: Oh right, clumsy
21:27.24kerioDocScrutinizer05: shaddup
21:28.58DocScrutinizer05best case your sequence is completely right and all three get installed by first run of dpkg while 2 and 3 are void, or worst case it's all inverted so it installs only one pkg per run
21:29.01narcosRight, 3rd time lucky, *reboots*
21:29.37kerioDocScrutinizer05: kernel-power-modules is just a regular package, so you only need two runs anyway
21:29.50DocScrutinizer05:shrug:
21:30.20DocScrutinizer05counting takes longer than pressing shift-ctrl-v
21:31.04DocScrutinizer05or cursor-up, enter
21:32.06DocScrutinizer05never use your brain when there's a failsafe procedure where you don't need to
21:32.49narcosHello power-kernel.
21:33.00narcosThanks guys.
21:33.35DocScrutinizer05rather use the gained free "wetware CPU cycles" to think about the procedure and if it can get improved ;-)
21:34.30DocScrutinizer05that's optimization
21:34.40DocScrutinizer05narcos: yw
21:36.10narcosHm, I can't seem to find in my IRC logs, merlin1991 gave me a link the other day for adding Extras-devel to my sources ?
21:36.34narcos( That wasn't a question was it, rather, what's the best way to add the source? )
21:37.58keriohttp://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/extras-devel-light.install
21:38.02merlin1991narcos: there's always http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/   or what kerio said :D
21:38.26narcosmerlin1991: Ah! I didn't realise all of this was being recorded.
21:38.30narcosI'd better put a shrit on.
21:38.37narcosta kerio, merlin1991
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21:52.05narcosOdd, github.com seems a bit borked. I can't browse any source via the browser.
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21:56.42ampharos[l]there a backlight control applet? I'm missing how on my N800 I could set the backlight however I wanted
21:56.54ampharos[l]it goes darker than my N800 though
21:57.09ampharos[l]that'
21:57.17ampharos[l]s nice if I didn't have to open settings each time
21:57.18keriomce only has 5 levels, there's a "simple backlight applet" for the status menu
21:57.43ampharos[l]just clock, profile, internet, bt, and presence
21:57.59kerioit's not preinstalled
21:58.34ampharos[l]oh right
21:58.41ampharos[l]i'm slightly stupid
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22:16.27DocScrutinizer05ampharos[l]: simple brighnes applet
22:16.40DocScrutinizer05ooh kerio beat me to it
22:16.46ampharos[l]yeah I installed it
22:16.47ampharos[l]fine now
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22:17.26narcosI'm trying to install netcat. According to http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 - "These tools are available in the official Maemo 5 Fremantle tools repository at repository.maemo.org"   (and netcat is listed there) , but 'apt-get install netcat' returns "couldn't find package"
22:17.58DocScrutinizer05in the official Maemo 5 Fremantle tools repository at repository.maemo.org
22:18.41narcosOh, I think my tired brain interpreted that as that being the default repo
22:18.48narcoslooks in his sources
22:19.39DocScrutinizer05~jrtools
22:19.39infobotfrom memory, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
22:20.26DocScrutinizer05To make the plastic case melt and burn your fingers and your cat, click http://joerg.cloud-7.de/repositories.install (includes the catalogs aka repositories test, devel, and tools.
22:22.20DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation
22:22.52DocScrutinizer05To activate the tools repository with the Application Manager, http://mg.pov.lt/770/tools-repository.install (does not work in PR 1.2 - please fix) open this single-click_2_install-3 file, or manually create a new catalogue like this:
22:23.23narcosBurn my fingers, and my cat, you say? Sounds good.
22:24.04DocScrutinizer05you need to check for duplicate catalogs in HAM after that
22:24.28DocScrutinizer05it adds test, extras-devel, and tools repo
22:24.44narcosok awesome
22:24.55DocScrutinizer05probably you want to delete test and extras-dev since you have them already
22:25.20narcosRight - gotcha
22:25.37DocScrutinizer05you also shouldn'r keep test and extras-dev active same time, and usually disable extras-dev and tools after you installed a package
22:25.54narcosheh @ "name = developer tools (**DOOM!**)"
22:25.57DocScrutinizer05they are not meant for regular automatic updates of *everything*
22:26.10DocScrutinizer05nice, isn't it? ;-P
22:26.52DocScrutinizer05however if you *see* this, you didn't click on the link in *your N900 browser*
22:27.16narcosI haven't clicked any links yet, still reading and figuring stuff out
22:27.21DocScrutinizer05if you did, it would get installed automagically
22:27.26narcosah
22:28.40narcosWhat was that issue of "The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED, etc" all about? I remember having to fix it before reflashing, but I forget now, and Google is muddy
22:29.22DocScrutinizer05it's about Nokia core packages repo that has expired GPG key so you can't install from it anymore
22:29.40DocScrutinizer05which breaks SSU en passant
22:29.53DocScrutinizer05so no update pr1.2->1.3 either
22:30.00narcosSneaky pawn.
22:30.13narcosWhat's the remedy?
22:30.25DocScrutinizer05not install anything from there
22:30.34DocScrutinizer05is tools affected? (I never checked)
22:31.16narcosRight, so remove 'downloads.maemo.nokia.com' from sources ?
22:31.24DocScrutinizer05apart from PR1.3->PR1.3.1 update there's nothing to update from Nokia via SSU anyway
22:31.37DocScrutinizer05you can't, it's a system repo
22:31.56narcosAh, so just ignore the message from 'apt-get update' ?
22:32.00DocScrutinizer05iirc
22:32.04DocScrutinizer05yes
22:32.13DocScrutinizer05it's a warning anyway
22:32.24DocScrutinizer05not an error
22:32.37DocScrutinizer05again, iirc
22:32.49narcosTrue, "W: GPG...."
22:33.06DocScrutinizer05we're trying to prod Nokia subcontractors to update the GPG key
22:33.16narcosah ok
22:33.21DocScrutinizer05seems a problem for them
22:34.18DocScrutinizer05(well, there are systematic roadblockers when a key already expired, but there's a solution been suggested to them, let's hope they find a way to implement it)
22:35.20DocScrutinizer05(systematic) you can't update *anything* (incl key) when your key expired
22:36.07DocScrutinizer05they got a masterkey though that's still valid to sign a new 'normal' key update, just they can't convince the bosses to do that
22:36.32ShadowJKmigrates to spare N900 with help of backupmenu
22:36.32narcosHow come?
22:36.41narcosI guess Nokia doesn't really care about Maemo any longer
22:36.42DocScrutinizer05or don't find the masterkey-privkey or whatever
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22:42.52ShadowJKw t f. Browsing auction site for another spare N900. Found one listed with price, and "or trade for offshore oil platform"
22:45.34DocScrutinizer05LOL
22:45.36narcosFair trade.
22:45.44ShadowJKoh i see, i missed the joke referring to the elopalypse speech
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22:46.10DocScrutinizer05too
22:46.30DocScrutinizer05how much?
22:47.11ShadowJKdunno, it's at 80E, reserve not met
22:47.26DocScrutinizer05ooh, no "buy it now"?
22:48.53DocScrutinizer05I thought since those pwn guys sell N900-based pentest devices for $1k, you can't find *any* good N900 anymore
22:49.15ShadowJKquestions to seller: 'How much cash would you include if I traded my "Friede & Goldman L-780 IC"-platform from 1980? 72 Berths, 1 hospital berth. Helipad for Sikorsky S-61 etc." ... seller replies "You sure it wont catch fire?"
22:49.20ShadowJKpwn?
22:49.24ShadowJKpentest?
22:49.25narcoshas bought 7 N900s on eBay.co.uk for ?100 over the last year.
22:49.54DocScrutinizer05hehe
22:50.18DocScrutinizer05pawn900 or whaever
22:50.32DocScrutinizer05~wiki pentest
22:51.27narcospwnphone
22:51.36DocScrutinizer05yes. that one
22:52.04narcoshas a few of those.
22:52.13DocScrutinizer05insane
22:52.32narcosIt has its uses
22:52.32narcosBut
22:52.33narcosTry loading up metasploit or something, and you will wait days.
22:52.49DocScrutinizer05they're selling N900 with FOSS tools and a crappy custom GUi for 3 times the price they are worth
22:52.56narcoshas a better approach, of running the 'heavy' tools on a server, and just passing traffic through the N900.
22:53.17narcosI know right, US $1,000 vs $100 on eBay.
22:53.36DocScrutinizer05at *least* 3 times, yes
22:53.43ShadowJKso this is my third cellmo-failure N900 now
22:54.02DocScrutinizer05the fsckng fsck!!!
22:54.13DocScrutinizer05what do you do to them?
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22:54.19ShadowJKshrugs
22:54.21DocScrutinizer05press kbd too hard?
22:54.37narcoshas borked several USB charger ports.
22:55.06narcosIt's so common that any cell shop here as a fixed ?20 rate to re-solder.
22:55.17ShadowJKMy second failed at ~290 battery cycles, iirc. This one started acting up at 305 and is now silk-gloves-only at 308 cycles.
22:55.41DocScrutinizer05has not had a single of those usual fatalities, just a borked FPC/ribbon early in usage of his first N900
22:55.42ShadowJKIt's frighteningly consistent :-)
22:56.45ShadowJKWell, not really... as my power use has probably been reduced, and, third N900 has about 30% more battery capacity than second had
22:57.14DocScrutinizer05I'm seriously worried about general PCB / mech design regarding keyboard and position of large chips
22:57.43DocScrutinizer05one hard push to a key could already make the chip on opposite side of PCB snap off a few pins
22:59.13DocScrutinizer05probably they were way better off using two unattached PCB layers for compinents and for kbd
22:59.27DocScrutinizer05components*
23:00.45ShadowJKoops, forgot to swap sim cards
23:02.10DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: you ever tried the spring-load-on-chip fix for cellmo failure?
23:02.52ShadowJKno
23:02.55ShadowJKmight do it on this
23:03.01ShadowJKsince modem still works sometimes
23:03.10DocScrutinizer05:nod:
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23:16.10xesDocScrutinizer05: I bough an hot air smd desoldering station for 50euro... the best for repair that kind of damages ;)
23:16.23DocScrutinizer05xes: \o/
23:16.43DocScrutinizer05xes: indeed
23:17.14DocScrutinizer05reflowing the cmt chip is strongly recommended to try fixing broken-cmt failure
23:17.44DocScrutinizer05but ... where on earth you get hot air reflow tools for 50EUR?
23:17.59xesgermany? :)
23:18.04DocScrutinizer05o.O
23:18.09DocScrutinizer05link please!
23:18.24ShadowJKSame factory that makes hair dryers, the "smd rework" label costs 0.01E
23:18.33DocScrutinizer05LOL
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23:19.29DocScrutinizer05proper temperature and airflow control is mandatory for such tool, yes
23:20.32xeshum now it costs 70€: http://www.ebay.it/itm/New-ATTEN-AT-858D-858D-SMD-Hot-Rework-Digital-Station-Air-Solder-Blower-Gun-DE-/251126845973?pt=Schwei%C3%9F_L%C3%B6ttechnik&hash=item3a78539215
23:20.40DocScrutinizer05and also you usually want to preheat the whole PCB to at least 80°C
23:21.12xeschina made, but it works really well
23:24.38DocScrutinizer05where the F is the german original text, the english translation is indigestible
23:24.56ShadowJK"LED demonstrated that the power is formidable" ... "the amount of wind is formidable, and the wind is gentle"
23:25.27DocScrutinizer05feels like somebody put a knot in his brain when trying to translate back to german to understand the meaning
23:25.49xesumpf... http://www.eevblog.com/2011/04/25/eevblog-167-atten-858d-hot-air-rework-review/
23:26.03xesand this guy is great! :)
23:26.07ShadowJKim guessing it's chinese to english translation
23:27.31xes..one tool to rule them all ;)
23:27.46DocScrutinizer05ohshit, actually on german ebay it's all the same gibbersih
23:28.42ShadowJK"The sensor closed path, microcomputer zero crossing triggering controls warm"
23:29.14ShadowJKClosed-loop mcu driven heat regulation with solid state relay
23:29.49ShadowJK"LED demonstrated that the power is formidable"
23:29.57xeshttp://www.attenelectronics.com/Products/Soldering_Tools/Reworking_stations/2012/0726/68.html
23:30.13ShadowJKled lights up when desired temp is reached
23:30.22ShadowJKrest is easy ;p
23:30.23xesnow someone from atten should send me some %..
23:30.58ShadowJKbrushless motor
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23:33.14DocScrutinizer05look at the shirt of this guy!!!! "I only give negative feedback" ROTFL!!!! :-D
23:38.11xesso?
23:42.05eccerr0ronly analog EE's would understand that joke... heh
23:43.42eccerr0rI wonder if I should get a bona fide hot air rework station, or get attachments for my non-heat-controllable heat gun...
23:46.17xes"so?" was about the comments to the atten's tool... :)  An op amplifier is not so oscure. http://www.zazzle.co.uk/i_only_give_negative_feedback_shirts-235418768503010114
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23:58.13DocScrutinizer05xes: awesome
23:58.44DocScrutinizer05I'm almost temped to get one, though I haven't soldered *anything* for the last 12 months
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23:59.21DocScrutinizer05I might offer USB fixing service with one of those on my desk
23:59.29DocScrutinizer05bench rather

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