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| 01:00.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | it? |
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| 06:33.23 | Macer | hm |
| 06:33.46 | Macer | have a mkv that wont play on my e7 :/ |
| 06:33.57 | Macer | what a let down |
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| 08:02.14 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what's that? |
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| 08:07.28 | n900-dk | special package on the move :) |
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| 08:24.16 | warfare | Wed, 20.02.2013 08:23 h Hamburg, Germany Shipment has arrived at delivery location |
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| 08:40.57 | kerio | warfare: can the tracking number be made public? |
| 08:41.02 | kerio | ...wtf did i write |
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| 08:41.16 | kerio | i can't english D: |
| 08:42.00 | Aoyagi_joytop | Well I don't know what a tracking number is, but it does make sense, somewhat :) |
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| 08:45.36 | kerio | Aoyagi_joytop: the string you put in the shipping company's website |
| 08:45.41 | kerio | to reach a page that you refresh every 2 seconds |
| 08:45.50 | kerio | that tells you where the package is |
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| 08:50.58 | Aoyagi_joytop | Oh that |
| 08:51.43 | warfare | kerio: I can't put it in the rack before friday, so no need to refresh every two seconds. |
| 08:52.04 | warfare | ;) |
| 08:52.26 | kerio | :( |
| 08:53.26 | warfare | I'll have to take a day off work for that and I have to plan ahead a bit. |
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| 08:56.39 | kerio | hm, couldn't you do it saturday? |
| 08:56.48 | kerio | so you don't lose a day of vacation |
| 09:01.23 | alec__ | hi |
| 09:01.28 | alec__ | i just bought a nokia n900 |
| 09:01.32 | alec__ | it hasn't arrived yet |
| 09:01.49 | alec__ | i have been waiting this long for the price to go down =) |
| 09:02.11 | kerio | :D |
| 09:02.17 | kerio | alec__: how much did you pay? condition? |
| 09:02.27 | kerio | and where? |
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| 09:03.22 | alec__ | $190 brand new shipped from hong kong, kerio |
| 09:03.29 | kerio | brand new? neat |
| 09:03.34 | alec__ | hong kong is great for that |
| 09:03.39 | alec__ | i bought my last phone IN hong kong |
| 09:03.46 | alec__ | it was also 2-3 years old at the time |
| 09:03.57 | kerio | inb4 n900 imitation |
| 09:04.07 | alec__ | lol |
| 09:04.12 | kerio | they exist |
| 09:04.25 | alec__ | do they? |
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| 09:04.46 | kerio | Estel_: could you link those photos of the n900 imitations, if you still have them bookmarked? |
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| 09:06.15 | alec__ | going to sleeplurk now... got lots of classes tomorrow |
| 09:06.18 | alec__ | night |
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| 09:48.54 | Skry | are those imitations worth anything, hardware etc? |
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| 10:02.33 | kerio | Skry: nope |
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| 10:12.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: saturday is OS install day |
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| 10:13.27 | warfare | DocScrutinizer05: s/saturday/friday/ ;) |
| 10:15.35 | kerio | and on the seventh day Warfare ended his work? |
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| 10:20.00 | kerio | hrmpf, my n900 is using 22mAh to idle |
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| 10:23.55 | warfare | kerio: I don't want to spend seven days locked away in a datacenter. Our last datacenter move was sufficient. |
| 10:24.27 | warfare | It took us 2 days until everything was up & running again. And we had to do this with 2 DCs ;) |
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| 10:43.09 | ccxCZ | my n900 stopped booting :-( backupmenu still works luckily but when I try to boot maemo it freezes in nokia screen or "Booting from nand (mtdblock4 jffs2)" |
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| 10:43.38 | kerio | well, what did you do? |
| 10:43.46 | kerio | :P |
| 10:44.07 | ccxCZ | not aware of anything serious since last boot |
| 10:44.17 | ccxCZ | unless you count changing gui theme :] |
| 10:45.07 | ccxCZ | repartitioning mmc & installing power kernel I've rebooted since and it worked |
| 10:45.26 | kerio | updates? |
| 10:46.10 | ccxCZ | I'm not aware of it but it's possible, it's been running for quite a while |
| 10:46.44 | ccxCZ | is it possible to trace the boot process, say using the usb as serial out? |
| 10:46.58 | kerio | ccxCZ: hm, i'm not entirely sure |
| 10:47.05 | kerio | do you have syslog installed and enabled? |
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| 10:47.31 | ccxCZ | yes, it should be |
| 10:47.50 | kerio | boot from rescueOS, read the syslog |
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| 10:52.00 | kerio | i fucking love rescueOS |
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| 10:55.00 | ccxCZ | hmm, can't login to backupmenu's ssh. what's the proper link to rescueOS? |
| 10:55.08 | kerio | ~rescueOS |
| 10:55.09 | infobot | somebody said rescue-os was http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ |
| 10:55.15 | kerio | hm, 404 |
| 10:55.34 | kerio | mirror at http://maemo.cloud-7.de/NIN101_N900_rescue_os/ |
| 10:55.57 | kerio | hm, wut |
| 10:56.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: rescueOS isn't accessible from your server |
| 10:56.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 10:56.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 10:56.36 | ccxCZ | that's not 404, that's connection error |
| 10:56.45 | kerio | er, yes |
| 10:56.57 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: try to download any file in that directory from your server |
| 10:57.20 | kerio | the directory index lists the rescueOS files but the files themselves are a 404 |
| 10:57.24 | kerio | so... permissions? |
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| 10:57.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | UGh |
| 10:57.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | mompls |
| 10:58.10 | kerio | oh but it's not even a proper directory index |
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| 11:00.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | F5 |
| 11:01.21 | kerio | yay |
| 11:01.49 | kerio | i still need to try Pali's 3.8 rescueos |
| 11:01.57 | kerio | Pali: do you have it uploaded somewhere? |
| 11:02.50 | ccxCZ | does this require the closed-source flasher? |
| 11:03.03 | kerio | or 0xFFFF |
| 11:03.14 | ccxCZ | good |
| 11:03.35 | kerio | yep, * load+boot kernel & initfs without flashing |
| 11:05.13 | ccxCZ | link to that? I always get loads of outdated newsposts when I google maemo stuff :S |
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| 11:05.28 | ccxCZ | https://github.com/radare/0xFFFF ? |
| 11:05.28 | kerio | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 |
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| 11:07.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | [sidenote] Wed, 20.02.2013 10:57 h Germany - Delivered - signed for by Herr POLROK* |
| 11:07.49 | thedead1440 | kerio: DocScrutinizer05's updates are better than a tracking number :D |
| 11:07.55 | warfare | \o/ |
| 11:08.04 | kerio | who's this mr polrok |
| 11:08.15 | warfare | Should be "Pollok" - their CTO. |
| 11:08.18 | kerio | he's going to steal our server! |
| 11:08.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | the cussin of Mr Spok |
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| 11:08.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: *spock |
| 11:09.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, that's the old terrestrified spelling |
| 11:12.31 | ccxCZ | got it, thanks. now how do I get the flasher work? I got the n900 on the cable, orange led blinking. 0xFFFF -I says waiting for USB device ... |
| 11:13.47 | kerio | ccxCZ: remember to blacklist phonet_cdc |
| 11:14.14 | kerio | as usual |
| 11:14.52 | kerio | also, again as usual, start from the n900 turned off with no battery |
| 11:15.04 | kerio | type the flasher command, and put the battery in |
| 11:16.01 | ccxCZ | by phonet_cdc you mean cdc_ether on host pc? |
| 11:16.23 | kerio | no, i mean phonet_cdc on host pc |
| 11:17.03 | ccxCZ | I don't think I have such module |
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| 11:20.13 | ccxCZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.27 | ccxCZ | got it to identify the device at least though |
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| 11:21.52 | ccxCZ | http://bpaste.net/show/78500/ |
| 11:25.47 | ccxCZ | recompiled with -O0 -ggdb and the segv disappeared :] |
| 11:27.28 | ccxCZ | did -l -m and then -b but it froze again |
| 11:27.31 | Pali | ccxCZ, use version from git: https://gitorious.org/0xffff/0xffff |
| 11:27.52 | ccxCZ | kthnx |
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| 11:28.41 | Pali | if you see segfault, start under gdb: sudo gdb --args ./0xFFFF <args> |
| 11:28.49 | Pali | and paste: bt full |
| 11:34.11 | ccxCZ | no segfaults but it doesn't appear to boot still |
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| 11:37.46 | ccxCZ | ./0xFFFF -l -m rescueOS-initrd-0.5.3.img -b "rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" # am I missing something? |
| 11:38.17 | kerio | the kernel |
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| 11:39.15 | ccxCZ | indeed |
| 11:39.21 | kerio | :) |
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| 11:41.07 | ccxCZ | yay, a shell \o/ |
| 11:45.37 | kerio | yay |
| 11:45.47 | kerio | what does syslog say, then? |
| 12:02.41 | ccxCZ | nothing but kernel messages and no clue there |
| 12:04.47 | kerio | can't you just restore a backup? |
| 12:05.56 | ccxCZ | I'd rather find and fix the problem, but yeah. though I don't think I have it here with me |
| 12:10.11 | zacharias | I want to flash my N900 to factory defaults… if I understand this correctly, I'll have to flash the EMMC image and afterwards COMBINED, right? |
| 12:11.01 | zacharias | Is it okay to use 2010.13 EMMC (latest on skeiron.org mirror) and 2010.36 COMBINED (dito)? |
| 12:12.33 | Pali | zacharias, if you have working device, correct order is: emcc, combined |
| 12:12.42 | zacharias | Okay. |
| 12:12.52 | Pali | if you have non working device (e.g corrupted system), then correct order is: combined, emmc, combined |
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| 12:16.20 | zacharias | Do you know whether there's 2011.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0 anywhere out there? |
| 12:16.44 | zacharias | 'strings /dev/mtd1 | grep RX-51' claims that'd be the version on my device, but it seems to be… gone. |
| 12:16.53 | kerio | ~skeiron |
| 12:16.53 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 |
| 12:17.31 | zacharias | kerio: Thanks, thus the latest available seems to be 2010.36. |
| 12:17.36 | kerio | yeah |
| 12:17.53 | zacharias | Remembers me to write the email to Nokia I intended to write. |
| 12:17.58 | zacharias | *Reminds |
| 12:19.36 | kerio | zacharias: please do |
| 12:19.44 | kerio | but don't mention anything about mirrors |
| 12:19.55 | ccxCZ | got some errors on fsck I had to -y, hope that was that |
| 12:20.05 | kerio | ccxCZ: srsly, restore a backup |
| 12:20.52 | zacharias | kerio: Yes, I already have been briefed what to mention and what not some days ago. ;) |
| 12:22.17 | kerio | ccxCZ: very little good can come from fsck |
| 12:22.30 | ccxCZ | kerio: I might go for full reflash instead, intended to do that anyway since I got this used system |
| 12:23.52 | ccxCZ | just backing up the list of installed software and the chroot I have there and go on from there |
| 12:29.19 | Sicelo | Woody14619: you were right about Modest and 'subscribed' folders. now all folders appear. still a good option to have a way to choose the subscribed folders.. Thanks :) |
| 12:33.43 | Sicelo | it appears that I can adjust subscription status in mutt by 's' and 'u' keys |
| 12:34.51 | kerio | Pali: gimme your linux 3.8 rescueos image pls |
| 12:35.25 | Sicelo | i would like to have it too :P |
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| 12:56.58 | zacharias | Wuu! |
| 12:57.08 | zacharias | I actually _have_ 21.2011.38-1 here. |
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| 12:59.00 | kerio | yeah, that's "PR 1.3.1" |
| 12:59.24 | kerio | there's no matching fiasco image |
| 13:00.36 | zacharias | kerio: No, no… I mean I have found a file called RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 13:00.55 | kerio | wait, what |
| 13:03.34 | zacharias | Had a longer Google/Rapidlibrary/… session to get this. |
| 13:03.58 | zacharias | I had ignored it since I misinterpreted file-size. |
| 13:04.04 | zacharias | But it seems to be correct. |
| 13:04.06 | kerio | i'm fairly certain that there's no such thing |
| 13:04.06 | jacekowski | maemo.jacekowski.org |
| 13:04.21 | jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/ |
| 13:04.36 | kerio | zacharias: what's the md5sum? |
| 13:04.43 | jacekowski | there was no .38 |
| 13:04.49 | jacekowski | .36 is the latest |
| 13:05.06 | zacharias | kerio: 095259c2380e894dc1d6a2999526ec9f |
| 13:05.08 | jacekowski | ahm |
| 13:05.09 | jacekowski | nvm |
| 13:05.11 | jacekowski | that's 2009 |
| 13:05.33 | jacekowski | weird thing |
| 13:05.39 | kerio | the latest fiasco image is 2010.36 |
| 13:05.50 | jacekowski | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 13:05.53 | zacharias | I've purchased a used N900 via ebay a week ago and 'strings /dev/mtd1 | grep RX-51' claimed it being 2011.38 so I searched a bit for an according image. |
| 13:06.16 | jacekowski | use this one |
| 13:06.17 | jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 13:06.38 | zacharias | Just flashed »my« 2011.38… booted up and starts Welcome Wizard. |
| 13:07.25 | jacekowski | sounds like phoenix firmware |
| 13:07.52 | zacharias | Pardon? |
| 13:08.09 | jacekowski | yeah, it's phoenix firmware |
| 13:08.15 | jacekowski | as in, service firmware |
| 13:08.25 | zacharias | Still don't understand. |
| 13:08.55 | kerio | zacharias: there's never been an officially-released 2011.38 image |
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| 13:09.11 | zacharias | Uhuu… |
| 13:09.18 | jacekowski | as in firmware that was never released officaly by nokia to people |
| 13:09.28 | jacekowski | just made availiable via phoenix (nokia service software) |
| 13:09.34 | zacharias | Ah, okay. |
| 13:09.44 | jacekowski | it may have unknown bugs |
| 13:10.04 | zacharias | And unknown bug fixes! ;) |
| 13:10.25 | zacharias | Does anyone want to play around with it further? I could upload it somewhere. |
| 13:11.35 | kerio | it's boring |
| 13:12.16 | jacekowski | anyone with phoenix can download it |
| 13:12.18 | int_ua | what's the purpose of "tactile" package? Isn't tactile feedback part of the system? |
| 13:13.00 | zacharias | Ah, okay. |
| 13:13.25 | freemangordon | int_ua: afaik it adds tactile feedback in more places and exposes some API |
| 13:14.37 | int_ua | thanks |
| 13:15.12 | int_ua | still having hash sum mismatch on it though |
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| 13:22.50 | kerio | ~mirrors |
| 13:22.50 | infobot | mirror is, like, http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error |
| 13:33.54 | zacharias | gnaaaa. |
| 13:34.14 | zacharias | When trying to flash eMMC image there just happens… nothing. |
| 13:34.52 | zacharias | flasher-3.0 finds the device, outputs hardware revision and NOLO version and after »Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0« exits. |
| 13:35.11 | zacharias | Any idea? |
| 13:35.32 | zacharias | Can't get rid of the feeling of doing something wrong. |
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| 13:51.27 | zacharias | Ah. *facepalm* |
| 13:51.41 | zacharias | Using maemo-flasher magically solved the issue. |
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| 13:54.17 | sardini | hello |
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| 14:45.57 | Estel_ | sorry kerio, not bookmarked |
| 14:46.19 | Estel_ | if you need it badly, google irclogs for "replica" (including quotes) |
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| 16:13.55 | sixwheeledbeast | Hi all, just swapped the screens over on my N900's, goodish news |
| 16:14.05 | sixwheeledbeast | not the mobo |
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| 16:44.48 | sixwheeledbeast | the ribbon looks very worn on the black side. How can I prove it's the ribbon? |
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| 17:12.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | plug the suspected defective display to a good mobo, see if error follows display unit |
| 17:13.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: ^^^ |
| 17:13.49 | sixwheeledbeast | it does |
| 17:13.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: also use a magnifying glass to closely inspect the flat plastic cable |
| 17:14.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka ribbon |
| 17:14.09 | sixwheeledbeast | inspect for what? |
| 17:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | see if you can detect any copper traces injured or exposed |
| 17:14.45 | kerio | kiss them better! |
| 17:14.51 | kerio | (don't actually do that) |
| 17:15.03 | sixwheeledbeast | as I said above, the black side is worn so it's no longer glossy |
| 17:15.14 | sixwheeledbeast | matt finish to it |
| 17:15.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | but in my book it's generally the insane 3-layer B2B connector that has vias soldered between layer and those snap open on even slight bending |
| 17:16.25 | sixwheeledbeast | this slider has always been stiff |
| 17:16.45 | sixwheeledbeast | so i will look for breaks in the ribbon , ok thanks |
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| 17:18.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | check ribbon. Do display swap to good mobo. If you feel venturous, consider ironing the backside of B2B connector with a sufficently hot iron (probably something between 200 an 300°C, but NOT too hot!) to reslder the vias |
| 17:20.13 | Sicelo | btw, what is the purpose sixwheeledbeast? |
| 17:20.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | finally, get a flex cable replacement (~ some $30 or somesuch, last that I checked) and replace |
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| 17:20.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: display artifacts |
| 17:20.51 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05 the "bad" display is bad on the other mobo. |
| 17:21.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: so it's pretty certain it's the FPC that's defect |
| 17:21.26 | sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: hardware issue from yesterday on my main N900 |
| 17:22.56 | sixwheeledbeast | FPC = Flexy Printed Circuit? |
| 17:23.03 | sixwheeledbeast | ie ribbon |
| 17:23.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.gultek.eu/mobile-phone-spare-parts/flex-ribbon/nokia/n900.html |
| 17:23.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 17:23.54 | sixwheeledbeast | ta very muchly :) |
| 17:25.18 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05 Out of stock, are they likely to become in stock |
| 17:25.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, but you might find them elsewhere if you're lucky |
| 17:25.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even from nokia care |
| 17:26.16 | sixwheeledbeast | ha! |
| 17:26.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | though nokia care will charge 5 times that price, minimum ;-) |
| 17:26.56 | sixwheeledbeast | you make me laugh putting nokia and care in the same sentence ;-) |
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| 17:29.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.parts4repair.com/nokia-n900-flat-flex-cable-ribbon-with-front-camera/ |
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| 17:30.06 | sixwheeledbeast | Oh, just spotted the front camera and other bits are attached |
| 17:30.39 | sixwheeledbeast | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OEM-Nokia-N900-Main-Button-Keypad-Connector-Slide-Flex-Ribbon-Cable-Camera-USA-/230856165857?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item35c01989e1 |
| 17:31.05 | sixwheeledbeast | postage is silly from US to UK |
| 17:34.28 | kerio | well then don't check ebay.co.uk, check ebay.com |
| 17:35.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | you always need to doublecheck, this http://www.parts4repair.com/nokia-n900-flex-cable-ribbon/ is most likely a hoax or a confused product name |
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| 17:35.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | seen same mess for speekers |
| 17:36.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | speakers* |
| 17:36.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe spare part for chinese Nokla |
| 17:37.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, google is your friend |
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| 17:41.15 | sixwheeledbeast | kerio: I am in the UK |
| 17:41.33 | kerio | yeah, i can't read apparently :s |
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| 17:42.36 | sixwheeledbeast | do you think it's worth asking on TMO? |
| 17:43.53 | Woody14619 | Sicelo: Glad you found a way to do that locally on the N900. I may install mutt just to have a way to adjust subscribed IMAP folders now. :) Thanks for the tip. |
| 17:44.10 | Sicelo | works perfect ;) |
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| 17:47.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: nope |
| 17:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask google |
| 17:48.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | see my URL I pasted above. been like the 4th hit on google:"nokia n900 flex cable" |
| 17:49.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even 2nd |
| 17:49.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3rd: https://www.halagsm.co.uk/Nokia-N900-Flex-Cable-Ribbon-With-Camera.1437 |
| 17:50.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: ^^^ |
| 17:52.56 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: halagsm £16 delivered that looks good |
| 17:54.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314046#post1314046 |
| 17:58.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: I'd appreciate you add your experience to that thread |
| 17:59.19 | sixwheeledbeast | ta, I found that thread about 5 minutes ago. Going for halagsm. Thanks DocScrutinizer05 will do. |
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| 18:21.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | WOW, wasn't aware: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84753 (saera) |
| 18:23.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Now I have pull the n900 out and add this....makes,me wonder why i even have an n9.<< LOL |
| 18:23.23 | sixwheeledbeast | waiting for the qml version |
| 18:23.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeew |
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| 18:24.20 | kerio | qml is plasticky |
| 18:24.22 | sixwheeledbeast | python version is good, suppose to be getting a big rewrite |
| 18:25.05 | ShadowJK | kinda dislikes having both qt and gtk loaded |
| 18:27.43 | eccerr0r | tried to stick with either qt xor gtk on his Gentoo boxes but is stuck with using both... :( |
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| 18:41.01 | ShadowJK | well on PC you can just add ram |
| 18:41.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, there's soooo much good stuff that appeared during last 12 months on tmo and I never noticed |
| 18:41.08 | ShadowJK | not so on n900 :P |
| 18:42.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo-profiler also looks promising |
| 18:42.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | like a late continuations of DWIMD concepts |
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| 18:44.14 | eccerr0r | it's still a waste of RAM and makes things look weird... |
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| 18:45.10 | eccerr0r | anyone use an AC-10C charger here, or are most people using AC-10U/AC-10E/AC-10X/... ? |
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| 18:46.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
| 18:46.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc actually |
| 18:47.02 | Sicelo | 10E for me |
| 18:47.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | 10E |
| 18:48.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's 10C? |
| 18:48.10 | eccerr0r | I think I got a phony 10C ... |
| 18:48.34 | eccerr0r | That's what I'm wonderring. I should have gotten a 10U |
| 18:49.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, i don't think I ever seen a 10C |
| 18:49.22 | eccerr0r | 10E = european 2-pin, 10U = usa 2-prong ... 10x = asia? not sure. |
| 18:49.56 | eccerr0r | 10C I think should be a standard USB port on the wart, no cable |
| 18:50.02 | Sicelo | i guess 10C is 5-pin, from mars, heh. |
| 18:50.02 | eccerr0r | but mine has a cable... which is wrong |
| 18:50.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 18:50.10 | Sicelo | :P |
| 18:52.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | N9 came with a white disky thing with a USB receptacle and no type printed on it |
| 18:52.15 | eccerr0r | last night I discharged my battery all the way, it hit 3.2V and the phone shut off... could not get a valid discharge cycle out of that :( (giving up on discharge)... but the "AC10C" could not charge my phone from that state! |
| 18:53.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 18:53.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't that your N900 that has all sorts of strange problems with charging anyway? |
| 18:53.36 | Sicelo | wonders if the data lines are even shorted in that one |
| 18:54.34 | eccerr0r | yeah... I don't know what's going on... It will not charge from flat, but it will charge fine from not flat with the charger... |
| 18:55.11 | eccerr0r | and will charge fine with a CA-101 but slowly from a computer USB port. |
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| 19:01.33 | eccerr0r | another strangeness, when trying to charge with the ac10c when flat, if I run charge21.sh it will stop charging, probably somehow detected an overcurrent situation, unsure where |
| 19:02.16 | Sicelo | me running? |
| 19:02.39 | Sicelo | *bme |
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| 19:04.30 | eccerr0r | it probably was, which probably confused it, but I don't think it was charging to begin with (it at least "said" it stopped trying) |
| 19:04.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, who said that? |
| 19:05.09 | eccerr0r | the yellow bar on the screen (and it gave the "error" tone) |
| 19:05.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | what exactly said it? |
| 19:05.54 | eccerr0r | probably the default charge monitor... not sure of all the applications that are running to indicate what |
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| 19:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never ever seen a notifier saying "I give up trying to charge" |
| 19:06.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | (OETTE) |
| 19:06.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | (OWTTE) |
| 19:07.02 | eccerr0r | heh no, it didnt say that exactly, said "Charging Stopped" or something like that |
| 19:07.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that usually means it finished charging due to battery full |
| 19:08.00 | eccerr0r | There's another alert for that "Battery Full" or something |
| 19:08.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | then there's that other notifier saying "insufficient power for charging" or sth like that |
| 19:08.42 | eccerr0r | yes, that's probably the error seen... |
| 19:08.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know what? I suggest you reflash to a clean system |
| 19:09.00 | eccerr0r | I wonder if the resistance in the cable is too high to fast charge... but 1A isn't reallyt hat much |
| 19:09.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | (resistance) exactly what I suspected a few days ago |
| 19:10.51 | eccerr0r | I really wonder how a microusb can pass 1A, that really boggles me |
| 19:11.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's about the limit it can do, actually |
| 19:11.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 2A under good conditions |
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| 19:11.40 | eccerr0r | if there's any dust or dirt on the contacts, no way... |
| 19:12.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-02-17.log.html#t2013-02-17T04:33:42 |
| 19:12.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>> DocScrutinizer05either cable or plug or receptacle contacts or receptacle pins |
| 19:14.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | bq24150 would throw a "bad powersource" error in that case. IIRC you should see that error in plain text in charge21.sh |
| 19:15.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | at very least you should see it in status |
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| 19:21.13 | Woody14619 | eccerr0r: I've had the same issue at times. Sometimes it's the port on the machine... I have a work system where the front ports refuse to negotiate abve 200mA, ever. The back ports work just fine. |
| 19:21.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | normal for a hub |
| 19:21.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly internal hub |
| 19:22.45 | Woody14619 | I've also seen odd behavior if you have h.e.n., or "USB made easy" installed. I had that one one system, and found that I had to sometimes use it to switch modes before it would even notice something was plugged in. |
| 19:23.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually a hub negotiates (500-100)/number-of-downstream-prts mA per port |
| 19:23.09 | Woody14619 | true Doc. |
| 19:23.35 | eccerr0r | h.e.n.? |
| 19:23.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | hostmode-easy-now |
| 19:24.24 | teotwaki | I had a hub that was rated for 3A per port. |
| 19:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't usually interfere with anything when not started |
| 19:24.29 | teotwaki | Only had 4 ports, but still. |
| 19:24.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: LOL |
| 19:24.47 | Woody14619 | Funny part is, I know it's not the port going falkey from having it happen a few times. Plug in the charger, no response. change to hostmode, then back, and it picks up the charger and starts charging... The last time I did it on a flat surface, to be sure I wasn't tweeking the cable. |
| 19:24.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | no way to negotiate that in ENUM afaik |
| 19:25.09 | Woody14619 | doc: there is with USB3. |
| 19:25.17 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: thing is, I don't even know whether a USB cable could survive getting juiced at 15W? |
| 19:25.22 | Woody14619 | Just not USB2. May have been a USB3 hub. |
| 19:25.33 | teotwaki | Nope, USB1 or 2, can't remember |
| 19:25.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: hardly |
| 19:25.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops |
| 19:25.47 | teotwaki | tab-pwned. |
| 19:25.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: ^^^ |
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| 19:26.13 | Woody14619 | lol, well...then it's the "more power is better" theory... |
| 19:26.40 | teotwaki | Anyway, on the box it said "Use up to 24 hard drives!" |
| 19:26.43 | teotwaki | With 4 ports. |
| 19:26.49 | Woody14619 | I'm sure someone in marketing was like "lets make it go up to 3A!" And the engineers were just too put out to argue with them. |
| 19:26.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's a 8bit unsigned with unit 4mA, in ENUM |
| 19:27.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | so *IIRC* you can't negotiate more than 1024mA in enum |
| 19:27.44 | teotwaki | Woody14619: more likely, marketing drone came in and asked "WE COULD SELL SO MUCH IF IT WENT TO 3A, CAN IT GO TO 3A? WHAT DOES 3A EVEN MEAN?" |
| 19:27.44 | ShadowJK | the "continuous view" thing in pdf reader in cssu is driving me crazy |
| 19:27.51 | teotwaki | And the engineers probably went "Yeah yeah, it can" |
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| 19:29.35 | Sicelo | ShadowJK: +1. it causes pages to 'jump' or skip? |
| 19:29.46 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 19:30.10 | ShadowJK | It's not continuous view. It immediately swaps/flips page when you scroll to bottom of previous page |
| 19:30.43 | ShadowJK | sounds innocent, but it's frustrating because you then you to carefully scroll so you dont accidentally come too close to end of page |
| 19:30.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | this should've been fixed... in CSSU? |
| 19:31.09 | Woody14619 | DocScrutinizer05: Speaking of cool things for N900, and the lack of needing an N9... Did you see this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84482 |
| 19:32.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | nice, though I'm not that extremely excited, maybe because I thought there are no apps for N9 ;-) |
| 19:33.15 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; no, the option did not exist in PR1.3. It appeared in cssu and is on by default. |
| 19:33.36 | Woody14619 | Lol.. well. :) What few apps there are... |
| 19:33.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: what you discribe is exactly *not* "continuous mode" |
| 19:34.02 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; obviously |
| 19:34.23 | Woody14619 | Anyway, back to work. |
| 19:34.25 | ShadowJK | The menu item is named "continuous view" anyways |
| 19:34.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I seem to remember I bitched about that annoyance 2 or 3 years ago |
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| 19:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm actually sure I did |
| 19:35.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway it's a very obvious BUG, please open a ticket against it |
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| 19:51.32 | Sicelo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2011-12-09.log.html#t2011-12-09T21:52:30 |
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| 20:39.48 | kerio | Sicelo: lol at what happened right afterwards |
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| 21:41.57 | kerio | will maemo handle an extfs MyDocs? |
| 21:44.21 | NIN101 | well I have disabled auto mounting and ecrypted mydocs and the fs is ext3, so yeah, no problems actually. |
| 21:44.54 | kerio | does it *have* to be a separate partition? :s |
| 21:46.27 | eyescream | Is there something like .Xdefaults/.Xresources to edit the system's default terminal colors? |
| 21:46.44 | kerio | which terminal? |
| 21:46.47 | kerio | osso-xterm? |
| 21:47.04 | kerio | aka "X Terminal" |
| 21:47.12 | eyescream | Yes. |
| 21:47.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: it *should* handle extfs MyDocs (since only known bug [cameraui using incorrect upper/lower case DSCIM and incorrect permissions] should be fixed since long ago) |
| 21:47.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: it also shouldn't care too much about partitions, except for exporting MyDocs |
| 21:47.58 | NIN101 | maemo does not care about mydocs at all, it can happily live without it only camera app may be a bit problematic as doc pointed out... |
| 21:48.39 | kerio | umounting MyDocs makes it not appear in fm |
| 21:49.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | eyescream: I think it has a menu to edit colors |
| 21:49.19 | kerio | yeah, it's in the font menu |
| 21:49.21 | kerio | or something |
| 21:50.25 | eyescream | I'm referring to the default colors in applications that use color such as vim. |
| 21:50.55 | eyescream | Not the colors used by the terminal itself when writing text. |
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| 21:51.26 | eyescream | It has the standard Linux/UNIX/whatever color palette. |
| 21:51.32 | kerio | ansi colors are a matter of terminal |
| 21:51.54 | kerio | 256color mode is unambiguous and strictly application-side |
| 21:52.24 | kerio | ofc, which ansi color is a matter of application too |
| 21:52.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~xy |
| 21:52.57 | infobot | hmm... xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. |
| 21:53.43 | eyescream | I asked about a file similar to .Xdefaults, which sets the default colors in terminal environments. That is exactly what I want. |
| 21:54.06 | eyescream | Obviously, I can tell vim what colors to use. I just want to redefine the default colors. |
| 21:54.12 | kerio | default colors for *what*? |
| 21:54.13 | eyescream | So that _all_ applications can use those. |
| 21:54.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you can't and shouldn't redefine "white2 to look purple |
| 21:54.51 | kerio | also, try .Xdefaults |
| 21:55.09 | eyescream | I have tried that. |
| 21:55.54 | eyescream | And again, default terminal colors. |
| 21:55.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can however define the xterm wide standard foreground and background color, and if other "apps" like to use defaults they will do. If not (like mc) then not |
| 21:56.42 | eyescream | DocScrutinizer05: Why shouldn't one define default colors on a per-user basis? |
| 21:56.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | eh? |
| 21:57.10 | eyescream | 22:54:46 DocScrutinizer05 | no, you can't and shouldn't redefine "white2 to look purple |
| 21:57.13 | kerio | i'm not even sure which colors you can define |
| 21:57.34 | kerio | like... "directory in file list"? |
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| 21:57.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | eyescream: so how's your question related to my previous answer? |
| 21:58.17 | eyescream | If I want to define white to be purple by default, why not? |
| 21:59.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | you define standard foreground and background colors as either "white" or "green" or whatever, and for quite obvious reasons you shouldn't redefine the meaning of "white" |
| 21:59.29 | kerio | and by "white" you mean "gray" :) |
| 21:59.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 22:00.02 | kerio | the foreground ansi color is AAAAAA |
| 22:00.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is "white lesser 1" |
| 22:00.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | while FFFFFF is "bright white" |
| 22:00.42 | eccerr0r | static.maemo.org <- arrrggh. |
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| 22:00.54 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, actually not even that |
| 22:01.04 | eyescream | I think we might be talking about different things. |
| 22:01.15 | eyescream | I'll just give you an example for simplicity's sake: |
| 22:01.16 | kerio | lesser white is a separate thing than colorless foreground |
| 22:01.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | no we don't |
| 22:02.57 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: fwiw being able to pick ansi colors would be good |
| 22:03.05 | eyescream | Imagine you run debian, you decide to run X and a bunch of terminal applications. You don't want to bother dealing with (sometimes non-existent) color configurations that might differ, so you use .Xdefaults/.Xresources to set defaults. |
| 22:03.16 | kerio | the lesser blue is quite dark, i often prefer it a bit brighter |
| 22:03.26 | kerio | eyescream: could you give us some kind of example, please |
| 22:03.28 | eyescream | Instead of the standard blue, you pick a different shade that doesn't look crap (subjectve, obviously). |
| 22:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | any app is supposed to - per default - use the standard foreground and background color of the xterm it's started in. |
| 22:04.52 | eyescream | Yes, that works for the normal xterm. |
| 22:04.59 | eyescream | On any *nix. |
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| 22:05.44 | eyescream | Which is why I'm surprised that I can't figure out how to make this work my way. It works on any other system just fine. |
| 22:05.48 | eccerr0r | I think perhaps he's concerning the applications that use the 16-ANSI colors versus the 256. The 16-colors are not unambiguous, except for colors 0 and 7, and maybe 15... |
| 22:05.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you're free to pick those from the set of available colors. You can define what's "light blue" for you, to a certain degree, but you shouldn't define "black" as white and "grey" as black, to get inverted text |
| 22:06.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you can't, in osso-xterm |
| 22:06.15 | kerio | at least, not in any way that i know of |
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| 22:06.28 | eyescream | I'm not talking about 256 colors, either. |
| 22:06.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | quuite possible in osso-xterm it's hardcoded |
| 22:06.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno |
| 22:06.46 | eyescream | Hm. |
| 22:06.46 | eccerr0r | yeah i think they are hardcoded too |
| 22:06.57 | eyescream | That would explain why I can't find anything, then. |
| 22:07.38 | eyescream | I haven't installed coreutils, but if you run the standard "ls" with color output, it will output the standard ansi colors and not the specified colors of the xterm. |
| 22:07.48 | eyescream | According to the screenshots I've seen, anyway. |
| 22:08.04 | eyescream | And those are the colors I'd like to modify. |
| 22:08.37 | eccerr0r | is there enough of the toolkit to build the full xterm for maemo? :D |
| 22:08.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls is supposed the colors you specify according to `man ls` |
| 22:08.47 | kerio | eyescream: the stock ls doesn't have 256color support |
| 22:08.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | supposed to use* |
| 22:09.00 | kerio | so it *can't* use colors different from what the terminal decides to display |
| 22:09.58 | eccerr0r | or vte :o ouch... |
| 22:10.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not like ls has its own palette |
| 22:10.18 | kerio | eyescream: there's not even xrdb on maemo, how do you expect to load .Xresources? |
| 22:10.55 | eyescream | kerio: I'm not expecting to load it, hence my asking for an alternative. |
| 22:11.19 | kerio | eyescream: afaik there's no way to configure osso-xterm's colors |
| 22:11.28 | kerio | it would be a really neat feature request |
| 22:11.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait a minute, digging up a link for you |
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| 22:11.49 | eyescream | kerio: That's what I wanted to know, thanks. |
| 22:12.35 | eccerr0r | i thought i saw a link about osso-xterm-advanced which seems to have the feature... but gave up because the web pages about it weren't coming in... |
| 22:13.13 | kerio | eccerr0r: OS2007 |
| 22:13.18 | kerio | ancient version of maemo |
| 22:14.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://inz.fi/blog/category/geeky/maemo/maemo-hackers/osso-xterm/ |
| 22:16.15 | kerio | omg, that text is so small |
| 22:16.26 | kerio | how big was the n8x0 screen compared to the n900's? |
| 22:16.48 | eccerr0r | wow so someone did port vte over... neat. |
| 22:17.14 | eyescream | Interesting. |
| 22:17.32 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: there's so little space for the actual window! |
| 22:18.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik since then this "hack2 went to default osso vte |
| 22:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | also, vte *is* OSS, yes |
| 22:19.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | it#s not one of maemo's blobs |
| 22:20.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen inz |
| 22:20.18 | infobot | inz <inz@inz.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 37d 12h 3m 11s ago, saying: 'works for me'. |
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| 22:22.29 | eyescream | Well, thanks for all the information. :) |
| 22:23.33 | eccerr0r | yes vte is oss but I considered it a big fat blob of code, i was surprised it was used after all... |
| 22:24.03 | eccerr0r | it's the underlying code of gnome-terminal which did have full color support. |
| 22:24.35 | kerio | closed-through-obscurity huh |
| 22:25.54 | eccerr0r | thought they'd pick and choose smaller code fragments to put on maemo to reduce image size... I probably wouldn't have gone used vte... |
| 22:30.26 | eccerr0r | my osso-xterm: 12MB core size |
| 22:30.53 | eccerr0r | gnome-terminal on x86: 29MB core size |
| 22:31.08 | eccerr0r | xterm on x86: 9MB core ... |
| 22:31.55 | eccerr0r | rxvt on x86: 4MB core... :( |
| 22:32.18 | qwazix | It'd be interesting to see TermKit run on maemo... |
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| 22:34.22 | eccerr0r | have to also add on webkit bits too... :( |
| 22:45.06 | Estel_ | ~mirrors |
| 22:45.06 | infobot | mirror is, like, http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error |
| 22:46.10 | Estel_ | I wonder how many devs will give up on their maemo projects, due to innacessibility of autobuilder measured in months, and overall *not working* state of -devel, despite being accesible, in theory... |
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| 22:46.43 | Estel_ | not only due to irritation - even people most loving maemo can just, naturally, switch attention to projects, where you're actually able to use infrastructure |
| 22:46.58 | Estel_ | publish new things, get user feedback, etc |
| 22:47.15 | Estel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.44 | sixwheeledbeast | Estel_: it's kind of put me off maemo projects for now. |
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| 23:14.53 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05, Estel_: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1324171&postcount=11 |
| 23:16.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: that's *exactly* what mine been showing during early state of FPC failure |
| 23:16.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | when it got worse, even AV out didn't work anymore |
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| 23:18.36 | sixwheeledbeast | ok thanks, well new main flex is coming 2 day postage |
| 23:18.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | (autobuilder) ...is not the only thing messed up during Nemein's migration from Nokia servers to Nemein XEN-grid |
| 23:19.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas we have no means to push them on fixing that, except HiFo board complaining to Nokia, or users calling Nokia care and bitching |
| 23:20.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | or users complaining to HiFo board about that |
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| 23:22.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | we (maemo tech staff) are in communications with one or max 2 of Nemein's sysops, we have no idea who's responsible for oversight end proper execution of the whole maemo-migration project negotiated between Nokia and Nemein |
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| 23:22.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ end / and / |
| 23:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's just evident that Nemein hasn't assigned enough manpower to it, for various reasons |
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| 23:37.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems x-fade - the only guy with sufficient knowledge to fix autobuilder - is not available, sick, dunno what. Eero is *very* busy as a result of that, doing the job of another sick colleague in addition to his own task list. And nobody in Nokia seems to bother if Nemein delivers what they got paid for, or rather I got the impression it's like that, since this whole stuff is not transparent to "us" |
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| 23:39.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't even know if it's Nemein's obligation or just goodwill when they care about maemo at all any more. |
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| 23:41.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible they reported to Nokia "mission accomplished" at 2012-12-31 and Nokia nodded and turned around since they don't care for maemo much, as you all know. |
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| 23:45.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | so if Nokia accepted that "mission accomplished" then there's basically nobody who can push Nemein on doing anything about the bugs and borkages in maemo. If not, then it's Nokia demanding contract fulfillment |
| 23:46.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, "we" (council, tech staff) can do just so much... |
| 23:53.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're asking for competent help urgently |
| 23:54.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | (hmmm, i might email javispedro, maybe he has an idea about how autobuilder works) |
| 23:54.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen javispedro |
| 23:54.37 | infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 109d 4h 11m 48s ago, saying: 'get a macintosh!'. |
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