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| 00:23.42 | deepy | kerio: I think I need to sell my N900 |
| 00:23.44 | deepy | I just won another phone |
| 00:35.12 | SpeedEvil | :-\ |
| 00:35.18 | SpeedEvil | what? |
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| 00:52.33 | deepy | SpeedEvil: I got a N900 to replace my Nexus One |
| 00:52.36 | deepy | and then I won a phone |
| 00:52.39 | deepy | and now I've won another one |
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| 01:51.55 | merlin1991 | deepy: haxx0r |
| 02:09.49 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, thanks a lot |
| 02:10.20 | Estel_ | and gregoa for anotherr lightweight httpd |
| 02:10.57 | Estel_ | btw, using wireshark, I've also noticed a simple way to start this certain game "rebuilt 2" outside embedded sites, without need for fake domain |
| 02:12.15 | Estel_ | after some tweaks, it works great offline using N900 browser with cursor mode (100% fluent), so wee just got another complex game (rebuilt 2 is post-apocalyptic sim, quite complicated one, despite being, technically, flash game) |
| 02:12.56 | Estel_ | now I just need to ask developer's permission, and I can package it with tweaks included, to non-free - if repos ever start working again without hash mismatch, that is |
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| 05:30.47 | iluminator105 | is vlc in the repos |
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| 10:34.59 | Raimu | You know your culture from your trash |
| 10:35.04 | Raimu | You know your plastic from your cash |
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| 12:16.36 | MohammadAG | wow, my router's firmware is hardcoded to only accept Israeli upgrades |
| 12:16.44 | MohammadAG | and the original firmware is nowhere to be found |
| 12:18.01 | kerio | MohammadAG: not even through tftp? |
| 12:18.32 | juozapas | where i can find voice files for omvoiceserver? |
| 12:18.38 | MohammadAG | kerio, not sure actually |
| 12:18.55 | MohammadAG | kerio, I found some forum thread with someone having the same problem |
| 12:19.12 | MohammadAG | they changed the header so the web UI accepted it |
| 12:19.16 | MohammadAG | and the router died :) |
| 12:19.49 | MohammadAG | oh nice, busybox on the router doesn't have grep |
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| 13:07.14 | kerio | i'm *really* stumped :( |
| 13:07.26 | kerio | should i just reflash? |
| 13:07.38 | kerio | i have so many customizations :( |
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| 13:22.30 | yana | hello! i just installed webos on my n900 but i cant understand how to download ipk files, from where and how to put the on my phone.... any suggestions? thanks in advance |
| 13:22.55 | yana | them* |
| 13:23.58 | Aoyagi | I uh... don't think WebOS question is very appropriate in #maemo. But maybe someone will know... |
| 13:25.04 | yana | i hope so ... |
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| 14:15.28 | qwazix | WebOS on the N900? |
| 14:16.01 | Aoyagi | He/she is gone. |
| 14:16.17 | kerio | deepy: why bother selling it |
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| 14:18.35 | qwazix | Aoyagi I just saw that nobody was surprised and I thought wtf? is that so normal? |
| 14:18.44 | Aoyagi | I was. |
| 14:19.08 | Aoyagi | But I try to not voice my opinions about things I know very little about. |
| 14:19.56 | qwazix | I just wanted to know more about that. Technically it's possible to install webos on the N900 |
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| 14:20.22 | qwazix | In fact the Pre had pretty similar hardware. |
| 14:20.49 | kerio | merlin1991: µ |
| 14:20.56 | merlin1991 | hm? |
| 14:21.01 | kerio | ~moo |
| 14:21.01 | infobot | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
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| 14:28.33 | kerio | ~µ |
| 14:28.38 | kerio | ~literal µ |
| 14:28.47 | kerio | infobot: you suck |
| 14:28.47 | infobot | and very well I might add |
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| 15:22.13 | WizardNumberNext | hey guys I need execute something every set number of seconds, including fractions (like 2.56s). any way to do so without sleep command? I need quite accurate timming, preferably up to 1ms, if possible |
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| 15:24.21 | kerio | "execute" how? |
| 15:25.10 | kerio | also, afaik topro investigated this, and ended up figuring out that the kernel timers have a resolution of 50ms |
| 15:25.30 | kerio | you'll have to use a soundcard timer |
| 15:30.12 | topro_ | really interesting, we just had that topic ;) |
| 15:30.40 | topro_ | WizardNumberNext: i couldn't get kernel based timers to run at higher res then 50ms |
| 15:31.24 | topro_ | but my task was to detect peaks in an audio stream recoreded from mic. so I went with counting samples |
| 15:31.36 | WizardNumberNext | even 50ms would do, 1s resolution of sleep is unacceptable |
| 15:31.56 | WizardNumberNext | I would execute it in script |
| 15:31.56 | topro_ | ever heard of usleep() ? |
| 15:32.09 | WizardNumberNext | do not really want to program |
| 15:32.22 | kerio | most likely, loading the binary and launching it will take more than 1ms |
| 15:33.22 | topro_ | then I'm off, don't even know if there is a way to access timers in script. you would need a binary that does the job. is there something in gnu? don't now |
| 15:33.26 | WizardNumberNext | kerio, I expect everything takes time, so loading and executing (especially loading) |
| 15:34.16 | WizardNumberNext | then only way would be to put work into kernel, as I want to access i2c |
| 15:34.30 | WizardNumberNext | bq27x00 |
| 15:34.46 | WizardNumberNext | to be more precise - I want nice battery logger |
| 15:35.07 | kerio | ...WHAT |
| 15:35.15 | WizardNumberNext | like I had on N95 - Nokia energy profiler - something not exactly similar |
| 15:35.18 | xes | you mean a battery burner.. |
| 15:35.32 | kerio | i don't even know if bq27k updates once per second |
| 15:35.43 | kerio | let alone once every millisecond |
| 15:35.57 | WizardNumberNext | Nokia Energy Profiler wasn't really battery burner - yes it was stilling some energy, but it wasn't bad |
| 15:36.16 | WizardNumberNext | kerio, no, not every ms - every 2.56s |
| 15:36.32 | WizardNumberNext | more often is completely pointless |
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| 15:37.04 | topro_ | I'd like to understand that 2.56s constraint |
| 15:37.08 | WizardNumberNext | I want to log every sample of average current, which happens to be updated every 2.56s |
| 15:37.54 | topro_ | come on, why not sample every 2 or every 3 seconds. the error will level out over time, don't you think so? |
| 15:37.54 | WizardNumberNext | I have been reading datasheet some time ago and decided that this would best approach to get some real usage |
| 15:37.58 | kerio | do 5 seconds |
| 15:38.19 | kerio | so you'll have 120ms to do your processing :) |
| 15:38.23 | WizardNumberNext | then, I am loosing every second sample - useless |
| 15:39.04 | WizardNumberNext | all processing needed is to save it to file (might be even in ram/tmpFS |
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| 15:47.11 | ShadowJK | WizardNumberNext; it's updated every 5.12s, approximately |
| 15:47.43 | WizardNumberNext | there's some value considering current updated every 2.56s |
| 15:48.20 | ShadowJK | I would expect bq's oscillator isn't terribly accurate anyway |
| 15:49.56 | ShadowJK | running bq27200.sh in a 5s loop does redcue idle battery lifr by a factor of 5 or so :) |
| 15:50.23 | xes | WizardNumberNext: first of all try a "time yourscript.sh"... |
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| 15:52.53 | ShadowJK | ah yes, -2.2% ... 1.5% stated accuracy.. so that ends up as 5.01 - 5.20s update interval, if accessing the chip doesn't postpone it updating :) |
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| 15:58.57 | kerio | ShadowJK: well, it could be your script's fault :P |
| 15:59.29 | ShadowJK | I suspect a "while true; do sleep 5; done" has similar impact on battery life :) |
| 16:00.09 | kerio | well, bq27200.sh does a lot of calculations in shellscript |
| 16:00.18 | kerio | and a lot of requests with i2cget |
| 16:01.17 | ShadowJK | ya |
| 16:01.23 | ShadowJK | but wakeups do more for power use really |
| 16:01.32 | WizardNumberNext | rigth - I have seen all of it. I have my own script which is reading sysfs file and it have quite a latency |
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| 16:11.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: use bq27k-detail, it only has one i2cdump command instead of lots of i2cget |
| 16:11.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus it should be considerably more lightweight regarding that |
| 16:12.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, i wonder if it could be made to use bq27x00_battery |
| 16:13.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | it should almost work OOTB, since that's basically what it does on Openmoko |
| 16:14.00 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, what's the path to that script, in your site? |
| 16:14.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | so if the developer of bq27x00_battery followed my advice, there shall be a similar sysnode to dump raw bq27200 register content |
| 16:14.18 | kerio | oh, maemo5/usr/local/sbin |
| 16:14.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k-detail |
| 16:14.21 | infobot | bq27k-detail is probably http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 16:14.21 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: there is! |
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| 16:17.18 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: http://0paste.com/264 this is the content of the registers file |
| 16:18.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | AYAYAYAYAYAY |
| 16:18.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | waaaay too much "wisdom" in that one |
| 16:19.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | why are some 16bit values while others are 8bit? |
| 16:20.06 | kerio | ah balls, rmmodding bq27k caused hald-addon-bme to shut down my phone |
| 16:20.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's not raw, that's obfuscated interpreted semantic of the chip |
| 16:20.32 | kerio | Pali: why are some values 16bit and other values 8bit? |
| 16:20.49 | Pali | where? |
| 16:21.00 | kerio | bq27200-0/registers |
| 16:21.21 | Pali | because some are 16bit and some are 8 |
| 16:21.28 | Pali | see bq datasheet |
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| 16:22.21 | Pali | kerio, hald-addon-bme shut down device? |
| 16:22.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I2C has no 16bit registers |
| 16:22.30 | kerio | Pali: i assume so |
| 16:22.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least not on this chip |
| 16:22.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | raw dump is not meant to interprete semantics of chip |
| 16:22.55 | Pali | kerio, kernel oops or dsme reboot? |
| 16:23.10 | kerio | Pali: shutdown |
| 16:23.16 | kerio | i turned it back on with the power key |
| 16:23.32 | Pali | shutdown? not reboot? |
| 16:23.34 | topro_ | is there a way to get qtmobility support for qt sdk maemo toolchain? |
| 16:23.47 | kerio | and no oopsies |
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| 16:23.53 | kerio | Pali: yeah |
| 16:24.17 | Pali | seems like "battery too low" and EDV1 flag |
| 16:24.24 | Pali | and if not there is bug... |
| 16:24.37 | Pali | or temperature? |
| 16:24.41 | kerio | Pali: well, hal returns 0 if there's no matching device right? |
| 16:24.46 | kerio | Pali: idk, i always rmmod rx51_battery |
| 16:25.32 | Pali | for which "returns 0"? |
| 16:26.02 | kerio | the function to get a value from hal |
| 16:26.32 | Pali | yes |
| 16:26.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: fwiw it's not supposed to be a raw i2c dump |
| 16:26.59 | kerio | it's supposed to be the file containing the registers of the chip |
| 16:27.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly suggest a format similar to result of `i2cdump -y 2 0x55 b|tail -n +2|cut -d ' ' -f 2-17` |
| 16:27.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: the registers of that chip are all 8bit |
| 16:28.29 | Pali | but some values are 2bytes |
| 16:28.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | as you can tell from address on left side |
| 16:28.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: that is irrelevant for a dump |
| 16:29.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's wisdom about chip semantics that is misplaced in a dump |
| 16:29.36 | Pali | that sysfs file in kernel driver was for shell scripting instead calling i2cget |
| 16:29.43 | kerio | Pali: fwiw, if you're merging 2-byte registers, then you should also split bitfields |
| 16:30.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's the software using the dump content that's supposed to make assumptions about such properties as pairing of some of the registers |
| 16:30.39 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: not if you're converting something that used i2cget to get a 2-bytes value |
| 16:30.42 | Pali | btw, proper kernel interface for that is regmap |
| 16:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: exactly |
| 16:30.57 | Pali | and I'm not going to change it in bq27x00 battery driver |
| 16:30.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | (for bitfields) |
| 16:31.24 | kerio | Pali: what's that? like a conventional way to present registers? |
| 16:31.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: "eh??" for the remark about i2cget |
| 16:31.40 | Pali | something like that |
| 16:31.54 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i2cget has a way to get a word instead of a byte |
| 16:31.57 | Pali | interface for accessing some kind of registers |
| 16:32.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: so what? |
| 16:32.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: only if YOU tell it so |
| 16:32.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it's YOU who has the knowledge, NOT i2cget or even the chip itself |
| 16:32.49 | Pali | registers file in bq27x00_battery kernel driver is for bq27x00 chip |
| 16:32.52 | kerio | i think the point was that you'd "always" use that to get the appropriate value |
| 16:33.00 | Pali | so output from that file is correct |
| 16:33.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, it's garbled |
| 16:33.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | it introduces sematnics where there shouldn't be any |
| 16:34.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | a dump is a dump is a dump |
| 16:34.15 | kerio | it's not called "dump", it's called "registers" |
| 16:34.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | a dump has no idea about register pairing |
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| 16:35.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | a dump sysnode is supposed to have a uniform format that allows access to registers WITHOUT knowing about their properties |
| 16:36.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW it should be identical for all chips, no matter what register pairing or other properties those registers have |
| 16:38.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | If I were interested in highly sophisticated interpretation of the registers' *meanings*, I'd not use the dump sysnode but the named sysnodes which are supposed to do *all* interpreting for me |
| 16:39.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | dump is meant to do *no* interpreting for me |
| 16:39.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | see kerio's remark about bitfields |
| 16:40.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | just adding a random subset of semantic interpretation to dump sysnode renders it garbled and basically useless |
| 16:41.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | how the fsck am I supposed to know quite basic things like e.g. if the paired register is big-endian or little-endian and if that garbled dump already swapped registers for me or not? |
| 16:42.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | please fix that, it's a bug |
| 16:47.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: it doesn't matter if it's called dump or registers. Registers also are all 8bit in this chip. Actually I2C has no means to access 16bit registers, they are handled as a pair of 8bit registers and it needs prior knowledge to tell those apart form plain 8bit registers. I2C or chip doesn't provide any flag signalling the paired property of some of the registers, you need datasheet to learn about it |
| 16:47.46 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: otoh, bq27x00_battery does indeed "have" the datasheet |
| 16:47.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and info from datasheet has no room in either dump or register sysnodes |
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| 16:49.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's like if `wc -c` would count UTF16 as one byte |
| 16:50.16 | kerio | you mean wc -m |
| 16:50.18 | kerio | :) |
| 16:50.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I mean -c |
| 16:50.49 | kerio | wc -m does indeed count the characters, according to your locale |
| 16:51.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | -m is what you get on sysnodes like capacity and current and temperature |
| 16:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | let me put it as simple as possible: that sysnode is called "registers", that chip has no 16bit registers |
| 16:52.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ETX |
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| 16:56.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware that "registers" sysnode is meant to be r/w? you're also aware that there might be (and actually are) situations where you don't want to write 16bit to a paired set of registers in unknown sequence and timing? |
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| 16:56.41 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: RST |
| 16:56.50 | kerio | you can't TX after ETX dude |
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| 16:59.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | shall I SYNC and retransmit? |
| 17:03.09 | eccerr0r | hmm... is the n900 port of pidgin source archived on maemo.org, or is it integrated into the main distribution? |
| 17:03.41 | eccerr0r | need to see if I can get it to stop pinging the servers every 30 seconds...that will kill the battery :P |
| 17:04.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkgs |
| 17:04.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 17:04.07 | infobot | methinks pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 17:04.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo pkgs is <reply>see #maemo pkg |
| 17:04.51 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 17:04.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkgs |
| 17:04.55 | infobot | i heard #maemo pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 17:05.47 | eccerr0r | not sure how debian works, is the code actually rebuilt automatically once in a while? |
| 17:06.01 | eccerr0r | on the repository that is (if it's OSS)? |
| 17:06.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr, it is when you upload to drop aka autobuilder |
| 17:06.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think it's usually ever rebuilt later on without any trigger |
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| 17:07.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | since, what would change? |
| 17:07.32 | eccerr0r | Ok... wonderring if it's easier to get the maintainer to stop it from pinging, I see it dropping an ssl packet every 30 seconds |
| 17:07.38 | eccerr0r | that seems excessive... |
| 17:07.53 | kerio | eccerr0r: make your own package |
| 17:08.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | locally |
| 17:08.06 | eccerr0r | hence finding the code :D |
| 17:08.07 | kerio | or try to look for a way to increase the keepalive frequency |
| 17:08.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | period |
| 17:08.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | lower frequency |
| 17:08.25 | kerio | er, yes |
| 17:08.42 | kerio | i'm sorry, mr engineer :( |
| 17:08.44 | eccerr0r | I just don't know if the maemo patches made it into the main distribution |
| 17:08.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | suggests gconftool and hexedit |
| 17:09.06 | kerio | eccerr0r: just use the same source that's in maemo extras |
| 17:09.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | eccerr0r: most probably they didn't |
| 17:09.19 | kerio | like, apt-source pidgin or whatever |
| 17:09.27 | eccerr0r | Ok, yeah that's what I was hoping... |
| 17:09.34 | kerio | no, apt-get source |
| 17:09.38 | kerio | after you've enabled a source repo |
| 17:09.48 | eccerr0r | again this is still very new to me... in Gentoo I get the source only so it's easy to find the code :) |
| 17:09.53 | kerio | or just download tarball, dsc and patches |
| 17:10.29 | kerio | eccerr0r: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/p/pidgin/pidgin_2.10.6+nix-1.tar.gz |
| 17:10.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | +nix??? |
| 17:11.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is that? |
| 17:11.12 | eccerr0r | ah cool... |
| 17:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply follow the links on ~pkgs |
| 17:11.40 | eccerr0r | need to get vbox set up next. |
| 17:11.48 | kerio | unpack that tarball in your scratchbox, do your modifications, dch -i and increase the version by adding a +eccerr0r1 suffix, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 17:11.54 | kerio | and it'll give you a tarball |
| 17:11.55 | kerio | er |
| 17:11.56 | kerio | a .deb |
| 17:12.03 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: nix is apparently the maintainer |
| 17:12.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh |
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| 17:12.30 | kerio | it's still wtf |
| 17:12.37 | topro_ | sorry for asking again, but I wonder why no one reacted to this as i think that would bot only be interesting to me: is there a way to get qtmobility support for qt sdk maemo toolchain? |
| 17:12.57 | kerio | topro_: idk, i have qtmobility installed i think |
| 17:13.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks at (duck and cover!) http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=name&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=pidgin&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=title&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=same and BURPs |
| 17:13.32 | kerio | ? |
| 17:13.54 | topro_ | kerio: is there a howto, ressource, doc? |
| 17:14.24 | kerio | topro_: hm, they should be in the sdk already |
| 17:14.37 | kerio | cssu ships some bugfixes i think |
| 17:14.48 | kerio | laughs at version 1:1.0.2-maemo4+0m5+0cssu1+thumb2 |
| 17:14.57 | kerio | what the fucking fuck, really |
| 17:15.09 | topro_ | kerio: my maemo on n900 has it, but its missing from qt sdk maemo target toolchain |
| 17:15.36 | kerio | topro_: i can't grasp how scratchbox works, sorry |
| 17:15.37 | kerio | :s |
| 17:15.40 | kerio | ask freemangordon maybe |
| 17:15.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's "qt sdk maemo target toolchain"? |
| 17:16.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | we usually have scratchbox (and some say madde too) |
| 17:16.27 | topro_ | DocScrutinizer05: using qt sdk updater I installed maemo target. |
| 17:16.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | not supposed to work afaik |
| 17:17.20 | topro_ | its missing qtmobility, obviously. so i installed madde as stated somewher on tmo, which has no qtmobility either |
| 17:17.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | madde isn't really well supported |
| 17:18.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | it should be possible to install qtm in it though, I think |
| 17:18.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that I really had a clue about madde |
| 17:18.26 | topro_ | i found some references stating that the only way to build qtmobility applications for maemo atm is to use scratchbox, which doesn'T integrate into qt-creator |
| 17:18.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds about right |
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| 17:22.47 | topro_ | got disconnected |
| 17:22.48 | ccxCZ | uh, I installed xev, but I don't get any keyboard events at all |
| 17:23.19 | topro_ | [18:18:25] <topro_> i found some references stating that the only way to build qtmobility applications for maemo atm is to use scratchbox, which doesn'T integrate into qt-creator |
| 17:24.31 | topro_ | so I'm looking for a way to bild qtmobility-aware apps using qt-sdk |
| 17:24.39 | topro_ | s/bild/build/ |
| 17:26.03 | topro_ | it works when compiling for targets simulator and harmattan, but not for maemo |
| 17:26.16 | topro_ | as maemo toolchain is missing qtmobility support |
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| 18:16.46 | tzafrir_n900 | apt-get update fails due to expired keys. where can I find up-to-date ones |
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| 18:29.20 | sixwheeledbeast1 | tzafrir_n900: expired keys should be a warning. |
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| 18:53.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | topro: sounds about right |
| 18:53.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | topro: [2013-02-16 18:18:44] <DocScrutinizer05> sounds about right |
| 18:55.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys expired |
| 18:56.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo expired-key is <reply>apt-get update soits out Warnings about Nokia GPG key expired, it's not an Error that should break anything. Ignore it |
| 18:56.28 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 18:56.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo ek is <reply>see expired-key |
| 18:56.56 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 18:57.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ek |
| 18:57.03 | infobot | apt-get update soits out Warnings about Nokia GPG key expired, it's not an Error that should break anything. Ignore it |
| 18:57.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo expired-key is <reply>apt-get update spits out Warnings about Nokia GPG key expired, it's not an Error that should break anything. Ignore it |
| 18:57.30 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 18:57.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ek |
| 18:57.34 | infobot | apt-get update spits out Warnings about Nokia GPG key expired, it's not an Error that should break anything. Ignore it |
| 18:58.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys gpg |
| 18:58.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~gpg |
| 18:58.38 | infobot | rumour has it, gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available from nonUS.debian.org . or http://www.gnupg.org, but apt-get install gnupg |
| 18:59.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | [notice] lists.maemo.org rebooted |
| 19:00.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | something seriously fishy with all that stuff on our xen-grid |
| 19:12.20 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, now https://lists.maemo.org/ not working |
| 19:12.32 | Pali | Not Found The requested URL / was not found on this server. |
| 19:13.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: sorry, CND. http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-September/020830.html WFM |
| 19:14.19 | Pali | hm, that working |
| 19:14.34 | Pali | but this not, try $ wget lists.maemo.org |
| 19:14.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-September/020830.html works too |
| 19:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | after nodding off the borked-cert warning |
| 19:16.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm not interested in wget of this page |
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| 19:16.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you found a bug, please analyze and report to bmo |
| 19:17.15 | sobukus | Hi, folks. Dies someone have a hint on how to circumvent https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11384 ? |
| 19:17.18 | povbot | 04Bug 11384: Diablo extras & extras devel badly signed with Fremantle repository key |
| 19:17.36 | sobukus | can I tell apt-get to just ignore the signature? |
| 19:17.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ek |
| 19:17.52 | infobot | apt-get update spits out Warnings about Nokia GPG key expired, it's not an Error that should break anything. Ignore it |
| 19:18.44 | sobukus | This is not it. It's about a bad signature on the Maemo Extras repo. |
| 19:19.08 | sobukus | The bug report describes my experience: Apt refuses to work with the extras repo because of bad sig. |
| 19:19.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | please file a ticket |
| 19:19.29 | sobukus | notes that this is an N800 with diablo |
| 19:19.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh you did |
| 19:19.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ping merlin1991 |
| 19:19.48 | sobukus | DocScrutinizer05: no, the ticked is already there since years:-/ |
| 19:19.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 19:20.05 | merlin1991 | pong DocScrutinizer05 |
| 19:20.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ |
| 19:20.28 | merlin1991 | yeah that bug is OOOLD |
| 19:20.34 | sobukus | I guess this issue should be easy to fix ... just change some script to create the correct sig? |
| 19:20.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know anything about that? |
| 19:21.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: impact, severity, fix? |
| 19:21.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: workaround? |
| 19:21.53 | merlin1991 | impact apt goes foobar |
| 19:21.55 | Pali | that bug was funny :D:D |
| 19:22.00 | merlin1991 | workaround tell apt to ignore keys |
| 19:22.08 | merlin1991 | fix fix the friggin repo script |
| 19:22.08 | Pali | fremantle cssu repo was signed by diablo key |
| 19:22.16 | sobukus | ? |
| 19:22.22 | Pali | and diablo repo is signed with fremantle key :D |
| 19:22.41 | sobukus | I guess the real problem is not the signing key but having the wrong signature file. |
| 19:23.26 | sobukus | merlin1991: I tried apt-get --allow-unauthenticated update ... to no avail |
| 19:23.48 | sobukus | is there another way? |
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| 19:33.36 | kerio | sobukus: APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated "yes"; |
| 19:33.39 | kerio | in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 19:34.41 | kerio | merlin1991: just delete Release.gpg? |
| 19:38.10 | sobukus | kerio: that AllowUnauthenticated will only work after Release.gpg is deleted, right? because, as long as there is a sig, it is not unauthenticated and apt still complains (it looks like that to me) |
| 19:41.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds correct. I suggest renaming instead of deleting though |
| 19:41.48 | kerio | yes, yes |
| 19:41.53 | kerio | Release.gpg.bak |
| 19:44.26 | sardini | hello trusted.gpg ou trustdb.gpg |
| 19:44.41 | sardini | in /etc/apt/ ? |
| 19:47.07 | kerio | sobukus: if the bug comments are correct, you don't even need to explicitly ignore the authentication |
| 19:47.22 | kerio | because diablo repos aren't supposed to be signed anyway |
| 19:48.45 | sobukus | Well, this one is; but I admit I am confused. apt-get update is not very clear on the success of the operation |
| 19:49.15 | sobukus | but since I was able to install usbcontrol, I presume I have the extras repo working? |
| 19:49.44 | sobukus | What I really was after was either diffutils or an updated busybox; is that available in the maemo repos for diablo? |
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| 19:57.33 | sobukus | notes he didn't have extras-devel, only devel |
| 19:57.42 | sobukus | now I see busybox-power! |
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| 20:28.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 20:28.29 | infobot | hmm... pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 20:29.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | sardini: sorry? |
| 20:32.00 | sardini | I have same issue with maemo. on apt-ge update with skeiron.org repository gpg error and bzip2 error code 1 |
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| 20:37.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ek |
| 20:37.14 | infobot | apt-get update spits out Warnings about Nokia GPG key expired, it's not an Error that should break anything. Ignore it |
| 20:37.49 | sardini | yes I see you repeat 4x this, :) sorry |
| 20:38.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | bzip2 error iirc is related to busybox-power, do you have this installed? |
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| 20:38.30 | sardini | how to know if busybox is installed? |
| 20:38.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you installed busybox-power, you done it on purpose |
| 20:39.55 | sardini | busybox-power is already the newest version |
| 20:42.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | dpkg -s busybox-power |
| 20:42.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that shows you installed busybox-power, then I suppose your bzip2 problem is caused by that |
| 20:43.31 | kerio | sardini: which skeiron repository? |
| 20:43.43 | sardini | I must remove busybox ? |
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| 20:44.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, it's about busybox-power, not about busybox |
| 20:44.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I doubt removing busybox-power will help |
| 20:44.45 | kerio | busybox-power uninstalls very cleanly |
| 20:44.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | not my call, I won't touch it ever |
| 20:45.02 | sardini | kerio, from first post here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?s=dc0666b43c4824cb010f17e370f12d13&t=88707 |
| 20:45.22 | kerio | sardini: yeah, but which one? extras? extras-devel? |
| 20:46.02 | sardini | kerio, all |
| 20:46.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sardini: you also installed CSSU? |
| 20:46.41 | sardini | docScrutinizer yes a long time ago |
| 20:46.53 | sardini | DocScrutinizer05, yes a long time ago |
| 20:46.56 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: decompressiong Packages.bz2 worksforme |
| 20:46.58 | kerio | *decompressing |
| 20:47.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think CSSU 'conflicts' with busybox-power |
| 20:47.10 | kerio | ah yes |
| 20:47.19 | kerio | sardini: open a terminal, apt-get install --reinstall busybox-power |
| 20:47.25 | kerio | if it was an old version of bb-p |
| 20:47.43 | sardini | how can I install package the not works ? |
| 20:47.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | so maybe reinstalling busybox-power can fix stuff for you. But again, I'm not the best expert you can find, since I never touched bb-p |
| 20:47.53 | kerio | sardini: hmm |
| 20:48.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, kerio been faster than me |
| 20:48.39 | kerio | sardini: open a terminal |
| 20:48.52 | kerio | it's probably better if you do it on your computer, via ssh |
| 20:49.04 | kerio | do you have root access? |
| 20:49.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | when he got bb-p? I'd hope so |
| 20:49.49 | sardini | yes sudo gainroot |
| 20:49.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | use "root" |
| 20:49.59 | kerio | ok, as root: |
| 20:50.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | not "sudo gainroot" |
| 20:50.19 | kerio | wget http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/b/busybox-power/busybox-power_1.20.2power5_armel.deb && dpkg -i busybox-power_1.20.2power5_armel.deb |
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| 20:51.12 | kerio | no, actually |
| 20:51.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, well then you should do /cd /home/user/MyDocs before |
| 20:51.15 | kerio | much much easier |
| 20:51.26 | kerio | rm /bin/bzip2 |
| 20:51.31 | kerio | and i mean much easier |
| 20:51.33 | kerio | :D |
| 20:51.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha |
| 20:51.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 20:51.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 20:51.52 | kerio | sardini: rm /bin/bzip2, then apt-get update as root, then apt-get install --reinstall busybox-power |
| 20:51.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | might work |
| 20:52.23 | sardini | ok I will tell you |
| 20:52.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: my apt prefers gzip, it's lighter and not much bigger than bzip2 |
| 20:52.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: NEVER suggest to rm anything. EVER |
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| 20:52.38 | kerio | :( |
| 20:52.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | use mv! |
| 20:52.51 | kerio | oh please |
| 20:53.20 | kerio | "ln -s /bin/busybox /bin/bzip2" vs "mv /bin/bzip2.bak /bin/bzip2" |
| 20:53.39 | kerio | it's just one character longer |
| 20:54.05 | sardini | all system use bzip2 |
| 20:55.16 | kerio | sardini: and yet the stock fremantle works without it just fine |
| 20:59.00 | sardini | I have moved bzip2, apt-get update, sub-process gzip returned error code 1 |
| 20:59.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: and when *his* bin/bzip is *not* a symlink? |
| 20:59.33 | kerio | sardini: wtf |
| 20:59.42 | kerio | it's either skeiron that's busted, or... |
| 20:59.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 21:00.20 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: gzip is from the stock busybox |
| 21:00.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: if it wasn't a symlink to a busybox without bzip2, it would've worked |
| 21:00.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and probably as messed up by cssu install as bzip |
| 21:01.03 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: nope |
| 21:01.17 | kerio | unless the cssu busybox doesn't ship gzip |
| 21:01.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, don't invent new leete stuff on helping users |
| 21:02.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | stay on tested path |
| 21:02.09 | kerio | sardini: what's the output of "busybox bzip2"? |
| 21:02.36 | sardini | I wait N900 is becom very slow |
| 21:03.22 | sardini | error with apt-get in a term, but the packagemanager say me now updates |
| 21:03.54 | sardini | oh even operamobile update :) |
| 21:04.42 | sardini | ok in fact I have just 'remove' bzip2 |
| 21:05.16 | kerio | sardini: what does "busybox bzip2" say? |
| 21:05.19 | kerio | even as the normal user |
| 21:05.57 | sardini | community SSU PAckage 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo7.2 is the last |
| 21:06.50 | kerio | sardini: is it? |
| 21:07.00 | sardini | kerio sorry n900 update cssu I can't type anymore |
| 21:07.19 | kerio | i don't really get what's happening |
| 21:07.38 | sardini | but I see in the update Enhanced BusyBox shell |
| 21:08.59 | sardini | question is why now is ok in the PackageManager and no in the apt-get |
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| 21:09.48 | sardini | term reboot? I pray |
| 21:09.55 | sardini | *? |
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| 21:21.45 | sardini | kerio, busybox byp2 |
| 21:21.50 | sardini | applet not found |
| 21:21.54 | kerio | alright |
| 21:22.05 | kerio | you said that there's an update for Enhanced Busybox? |
| 21:22.08 | kerio | do that update too |
| 21:23.10 | sardini | vers 1.20.2power5 |
| 21:23.43 | sardini | 65Mo updates... |
| 21:24.51 | sardini | kerio, DocScrutinizer05 thanks a lot :) |
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| 21:27.23 | sardini | ah busybox-power update say to me that: /bin/busybox has been modified since installing poxer (invalid md5 checksum). Can be result busybox update from cssu |
| 21:27.51 | sardini | I say ok, yes do it my wonderfull n900 |
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| 21:45.14 | Estel_ | WizardNumberNext, cheesus, 50ms interval for gathering battery data? for fucks sake! |
| 21:45.31 | Estel_ | wanna have 10x less battery life? |
| 21:45.36 | SpeedEvil | haha |
| 21:46.01 | SpeedEvil | 50ms may be interesting to do impedence spectrometry. |
| 21:46.10 | SpeedEvil | but basically insane |
| 21:46.12 | Estel_ | WizardNumberNext, the funniest thing is that you *don't* need battery profiler in N900 |
| 21:46.15 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, yea |
| 21:46.27 | Estel_ | well, he wanted 1 ms before |
| 21:46.41 | Estel_ | until got info about kernel timers being 50ms accurate |
| 21:46.48 | WizardNumberNext | Estel_ did you read all what I wrote? I need anything below 2.56s, but be as accurate as possible, as I do not want to miss any sample |
| 21:47.01 | Estel_ | hehe, of course I've seen it |
| 21:47.07 | Estel_ | now the funniest part: |
| 21:47.18 | SpeedEvil | WizardNumberNext: the BQ* chip samples current every 5 seconds |
| 21:47.20 | Estel_ | why do you want to mimic what hardware bq27x00 is already doing? |
| 21:47.36 | WizardNumberNext | Estel_ and I knew about kernel timers as soon as it was written here - IU tend to read whole backlog |
| 21:47.37 | SpeedEvil | sampling faster will not result in more readings |
| 21:47.44 | Estel_ | profiler from n95 is dumb-phone equivalent (less useful) of what we have in hardware |
| 21:48.01 | Estel_ | + what speedevil said |
| 21:48.06 | SpeedEvil | and the chip has a hardware integrator |
| 21:48.15 | Estel_ | it's 5.12 second interval updated, 10% accurate |
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| 21:48.42 | Estel_ | now, as ShadowJK said, polling it's data even every 5 seconds is decreasing idle time 5x |
| 21:48.51 | WizardNumberNext | Estel_ there is no damn way to mimic what bq27x00 is already doing without another bq27x00 alike device. All I want is to store those samples, but not missing single one and not storing doubles |
| 21:49.05 | Estel_ | 4mA idle usage is becoming 20+mA |
| 21:49.19 | Estel_ | WizardNumberNext, hat do you want to achieve, really |
| 21:49.24 | kerio | sample every 5 seconds and skip duplicates? |
| 21:49.25 | kerio | idk |
| 21:49.50 | Estel_ | bq27x00 stores mAh used like intelligent LiIon discharger, using variable current |
| 21:50.03 | Estel_ | i just don't get what you want to achieve |
| 21:50.15 | Estel_ | by some script storing samples. For what reason? |
| 21:50.23 | WizardNumberNext | Estel_: simple answer: LOG |
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| 21:50.28 | Estel_ | for? |
| 21:50.34 | WizardNumberNext | battery log |
| 21:50.43 | Estel_ | and what to do with it? |
| 21:50.49 | WizardNumberNext | read it |
| 21:50.55 | Estel_ | log containing current stored every 5 second? |
| 21:51.03 | Estel_ | for what fckn sake? |
| 21:51.04 | WizardNumberNext | yes |
| 21:51.07 | SpeedEvil | WizardNumberNext: there is no battery log. |
| 21:51.19 | SpeedEvil | you need to read the chip every 5 seconds |
| 21:51.22 | WizardNumberNext | I want to see what would be affecting and how my current drain |
| 21:51.29 | Estel_ | use powertop |
| 21:51.39 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 21:52.00 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter |
| 21:52.04 | Estel_ | you will get detailed log what is causing what and how often |
| 21:52.13 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 21:52.14 | Estel_ | ~powertop |
| 21:52.14 | infobot | i guess powertop is available from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333, or http://www.2shared.com/file/11135428/bbe19274/powertop_111-1_armel.html |
| 21:52.15 | WizardNumberNext | SpeedEvil: that is what I want to do - read bq27x00 every 2.56, as there is some current value, which is updated every 2.56s |
| 21:52.34 | Estel_ | infobot, no, powertop is available from repos |
| 21:52.34 | infobot | okay, Estel_ |
| 21:52.45 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management |
| 21:52.57 | SpeedEvil | WizardNumberNext: it's every 5.12s |
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| 21:53.01 | WizardNumberNext | I simply want full log |
| 21:53.09 | WizardNumberNext | which is average only then |
| 21:53.17 | WizardNumberNext | I want "instant" as well |
| 21:53.18 | Estel_ | such log is utterly useless for *any*purpose |
| 21:53.26 | SpeedEvil | read the above pages |
| 21:53.31 | Estel_ | no instant in this device, period |
| 21:53.36 | Estel_ | + what SpeedEvil said |
| 21:53.40 | WizardNumberNext | Estel_ wrong it is usefull |
| 21:53.41 | SpeedEvil | (of which I'm the main author) |
| 21:54.07 | Estel_ | WizardNumberNext, again, for your purpose, use powertop |
| 21:54.10 | WizardNumberNext | I want to know exact capacity of battery - you cannot know excact capacity of battery, if you measure capacity of battery in mAh |
| 21:54.14 | SpeedEvil | it's only useful if you correlate it with running processes, and track all enabled peripherals. |
| 21:54.23 | Estel_ | there is no such thing as exact capacity of battery |
| 21:54.29 | Estel_ | capacity is always relative |
| 21:54.30 | SpeedEvil | WizardNumberNext: the charge meter is designed for that |
| 21:55.03 | Estel_ | capacity is relative to temperature, discharge current, etc. |
| 21:55.18 | WizardNumberNext | I agree it would be relative capacity, as exact would be full-empty and empty Li-ion is dead Li-ion |
| 21:55.49 | Estel_ | nope |
| 21:55.50 | WizardNumberNext | but I would get knowledge of mWh instead of useless mAh |
| 21:56.08 | SpeedEvil | WizardNumberNext: the charge meter measures and integrates accurately the entire consumption of the device over the whole charge cycle |
| 21:56.10 | Estel_ | even from hyphotetical full-empty, it's still relative |
| 21:56.31 | WizardNumberNext | Estel_: then do it: discharge Li-ion below 2.7V and charge it back - get fire extiguisher first |
| 21:56.35 | SpeedEvil | to do accurate milliwatt-hour measurements, you need about ten voltage measurements over the cycle |
| 21:56.44 | SpeedEvil | that is all. |
| 21:56.49 | SpeedEvil | and even then it's wrong |
| 21:57.24 | SpeedEvil | as the battery can provide fewer miliwatts hours if used to provide a higher power |
| 21:57.34 | SpeedEvil | read above pages |
| 21:57.36 | Estel_ | yea, in practice, what SpeedEvil said is what you need and what I tried to tell you from beginning - bq27x00 does just that, measure capacity via variable current logging, it's as accurate aas you will get |
| 21:57.59 | Estel_ | and if we're talking about battery's theory, thefre is no "exact" capacity ever, even theoretical |
| 21:58.08 | Estel_ | it's always relative |
| 21:58.19 | WizardNumberNext | SpeedEvil: I am aware of internal resistance ad all other parametres, which you even have no idea have some impact on battery as well |
| 21:58.24 | Estel_ | to temperature, to discharge, to pressure, etc |
| 21:58.28 | SpeedEvil | to do better, you need to do impedence spectroscopy. and have a accurate battery model. I started on this, but got bored. |
| 21:59.07 | SpeedEvil | WizardNumberNext: I suspect I know way, way more about lithium ion charge cycles than you. |
| 21:59.15 | WizardNumberNext | battery is like every other piece of wire - have all possible electric parametres including resistance, impendance, being coil and so and on and on .... |
| 21:59.18 | Estel_ | WizardNumberNext, what you want to achieve is some hoax about accurate battery measuring, using wong assumptions and wrong methods 0_o |
| 21:59.31 | kerio | >battery is like every other piece of wire |
| 21:59.38 | Estel_ | battery is not even remotely related to wire, btw |
| 21:59.42 | kerio | it's a bunch of fucking chemicals |
| 21:59.55 | Estel_ | nods |
| 22:00.07 | ShadowJK | what's the issue with storing duplicate readings anyways? |
| 22:00.12 | Estel_ | kerio, btw, the guy who installed webos just meant webos games manager |
| 22:00.18 | WizardNumberNext | there is no good method to be precise - every method is imperfect as electronics (inluding battery) are imperfact |
| 22:00.23 | kerio | oh, preenv? or whatever it's called |
| 22:00.32 | Estel_ | kerio, yea |
| 22:02.13 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric_spectroscopy |
| 22:02.46 | SpeedEvil | works for batteries too, and with extra stuff lets you really accurately predict cell behaviour. |
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| 22:02.53 | WizardNumberNext | SpeedEvil: I didn't look yet, but sounds like you see the thing anyway |
| 22:03.02 | SpeedEvil | but in practice, it,s largely irrelevant |
| 22:04.50 | WizardNumberNext | SpeedEvil: enquiry: do you have any idea if, all additional voltages in n900 are created by some smps or something a lot sipler |
| 22:05.02 | WizardNumberNext | s/sipler/simpler/ |
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| 22:10.20 | SpeedEvil | there are about a dozen SMPSs |
| 22:10.31 | SpeedEvil | and quite a few more linear supplies |
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| 22:27.35 | eccerr0r | more accurate digital power measurement? use more analog: integrator circuit :D |
| 22:30.24 | eccerr0r | I was wonderring about how accurate my newly installed "smart" electric meter, I think it also does sampling to measure usage... I wonder what they'd do if I drew a large amount of current a millisecond after each sample for a few milliseconds... :o |
| 22:30.34 | eccerr0r | "free electricity!" |
| 22:31.30 | eccerr0r | if they used an integrator this would be much harder to do... it may well use it too, but hard to tell for sure without taking it apart. |
| 22:34.02 | merlin1991 | eccerr0r: in the general use case smart electric meters have a granularity of 15 minutes |
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| 22:34.27 | merlin1991 | Though it isn't uncommon to have them down to 1 minute |
| 22:34.29 | kerio | ...that can't be right |
| 22:34.43 | merlin1991 | kerio: why? |
| 22:34.46 | eccerr0r | nah, that's the upload rate, not sample rate |
| 22:34.56 | kerio | you can't sample every 15 minutes |
| 22:35.03 | kerio | it would be too imprecise |
| 22:35.06 | eccerr0r | the sample rate must be must higher, you'd get aliasing like mad |
| 22:35.40 | merlin1991 | hm no idea about the sample rate, I was thinking about the storage end |
| 22:36.06 | ShadowJK | my meter had a led, it blinks 100 or 1000 times per kWh, i forget exact number |
| 22:36.17 | ShadowJK | has* |
| 22:36.47 | eccerr0r | err..grok error...clarify please? |
| 22:37.51 | ShadowJK | My smart meter. It has display where you can cycle through accumulated day and night kWh, current rate, etc. it also has a led that blinks |
| 22:38.13 | ShadowJK | the rate of blinking depends on rate of consumption |
| 22:38.49 | ShadowJK | It also has S0 output, but electric company has blocked it |
| 22:39.33 | ShadowJK | So I have a little gadget staring at the led, hooked up to my computer, logging electricity use |
| 22:40.49 | eccerr0r | kWh=energy consumed so how does this cause the LED to blink? |
| 22:42.15 | eccerr0r | pulse code? blinks faster when more KW is being used? |
| 22:42.56 | eccerr0r | maybe blinks per time period would make more sense |
| 22:45.52 | eccerr0r | almost flattened my n900 battery, ready to measure power draw on microusb... hopefully it will draw more than 500mA else the mystery continues... |
| 22:47.27 | eccerr0r | almost made it 24 hours realtime without charging... bah. |
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| 23:03.26 | SpeedEvil | eccerr0r: typically, they blink 1000 times per kWh |
| 23:03.38 | SpeedEvil | so, twice a second is 7.2 kW |
| 23:04.37 | jacekowski | and typically, it says on the meter how often it blinks |
| 23:04.44 | SpeedEvil | eccerr0r: for more information, hit maxim.com |
| 23:04.46 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 23:04.50 | SpeedEvil | macim-ic.com |
| 23:05.02 | SpeedEvil | and go and look at their energy metering chips |
| 23:13.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | (([2013-02-16 23:00:07] <ShadowJK> what's the issue with storing duplicate readings anyways?)) exactly nothing at all. Oversample by factor 2.5 and ok |
| 23:14.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | but after al it's really meaningless since bq27200 does proper integration on its own, via hw |
| 23:15.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | so delta-NAC is better than any integral of oversampled electrical-current readouts |
| 23:15.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | is's called gas gauge for a reason |
| 23:25.13 | eccerr0r | "1000 times per hour per kilowatt being used" that would seem more like an accurate description... blinking something like KWh where it's monotonically increasing (except if you have PV or your own reactor) didn't make sense |
| 23:27.05 | SpeedEvil | per kWh, not per kw. |
| 23:27.27 | eccerr0r | unit analysis doesn't work if it's KWh. |
| 23:27.48 | SpeedEvil | if it blinked 1000 times per kilowatt, it would blink 1000 times when you plug in a 1kw load, and not again |
| 23:27.55 | eccerr0r | if it's KWh your LED would blink faster and faster as you reach the end of the month, and then you'd have to reset it |
| 23:28.05 | SpeedEvil | err, no |
| 23:28.52 | SpeedEvil | '1000 times per kWh' does not mean '1000 times per kWh since the start of the month' |
| 23:29.44 | SpeedEvil | 1000 times per kWh = one blink per Wh, or once every 3600J |
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| 23:34.06 | eccerr0r | ok that makes more sense, yes you would get more blinks as you use more power, just not all at the same time. |
| 23:38.18 | eccerr0r | I think it'd make more sense described as 1 blink per watt hour. "1000 blinks" seems like a unit in itself hence making it confusing. |
| 23:42.36 | joga | I dunno, it sounds pretty useful to me though I don't have one, just to take a brief glance and you know if it's about normal or way less or way more |
| 23:43.41 | joga | actually here I can get some fancy graphs of my usage straight from the electric company website since they installed remotely readable meters a while back, I think it updates every hour or so at least |
| 23:44.28 | eccerr0r | well it's basically counting RPMs of the traditional meters, one rotation every Wh (or is it that way?) |
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| 23:51.17 | jacekowski | imagine fair usage policy on electricity |
| 23:51.34 | jacekowski | so you can only use 10kWh a month and then you are cut off |
| 23:51.46 | jacekowski | but you still have to pay full price |
| 23:51.56 | joga | sounds fair |
| 23:51.59 | eccerr0r | btw "1000 times per hour per kilowatt being used" is the same as "1000 blinks per kwh" :) |
| 23:52.02 | SpeedEvil | eccerr0r: kWh is the normal billing unit |
| 23:52.10 | jacekowski | or your current would be reduced to 1A max |
| 23:52.17 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: that happens in some places |
| 23:52.19 | joga | maybe there would be more incentive to actually make good use of electricity |
| 23:52.28 | SpeedEvil | Greece? |
| 23:52.31 | joga | or, just other stuff :p |
| 23:53.34 | eccerr0r | that "fair usage policy on electricity" is the crap we have to deal with on our wireless bills :P |
| 23:54.36 | joga | seems my consumption was about 260kWh last month, and after I moved I've lost data of previous years in the fancy graph, heh |
| 23:55.33 | SpeedEvil | mine was 400 or so. |
| 23:55.39 | SpeedEvil | due to winter hearing |
| 23:55.43 | SpeedEvil | heating |
| 23:57.31 | eccerr0r | this is sad: I used about 555 KWh last month, and I'm below the average of similar households in my city... |
| 23:57.49 | jacekowski | electric heating? |
| 23:58.14 | eccerr0r | and I have gas heating. |
| 23:58.21 | jacekowski | that's a lot |
| 23:58.29 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: yes |
| 23:58.49 | eccerr0r | yes it is a lot. |
| 23:58.50 | jacekowski | eccerr0r: what are you wasting your electricity on |
| 23:59.14 | eccerr0r | plus they filtered out all electric heating homes |
| 23:59.20 | joga | my sister's fridge had some malfunction that made her bill like 6-8x |
| 23:59.44 | eccerr0r | The only things I do know about is that I run two computers 24/7 |
| 23:59.58 | jacekowski | computers don't pull a lot |