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| 00:05.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | warfare: qwazix: I'm semi-offline, my PC is defect, no email, no fw monitoring, no close following of 30 irc channels |
| 00:05.42 | kerio | is bq24k responsible for choosing the actual charge current of the battery? |
| 00:06.07 | kerio | like, you only set some parameters and it does its thing |
| 00:06.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 00:06.46 | kerio | is there a way to force a certain current? |
| 00:06.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 00:07.27 | kerio | what would happen if you overcharged the battery? |
| 00:07.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | impossible |
| 00:08.35 | kerio | ...one of the last two things you said must be false |
| 00:08.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | CCCV |
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| 00:17.49 | zl2tod | kerio: most Lithium batteries include a processor and switching that prevent overcharging. They need it to prevent the explosions and aggressive fires that happen otherwise. So while the phone can try and drive the battery hard, the battery will protect itself. |
| 00:19.30 | kerio | i suppose that bq27k does that, doesn't it? |
| 00:21.46 | zl2tod | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail |
| 00:23.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | bq25150 |
| 00:24.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | 24* |
| 00:24.40 | kerio | no, i meant the battery protection |
| 00:25.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | bq24150 |
| 00:25.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | CCCV |
| 00:25.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | it can't overcharge |
| 00:25.45 | zl2tod | it's autonomous and in the battery |
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| 00:26.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | no, bq24150 is in N900 |
| 00:28.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | there+ a protection circuit in battery too, usually |
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| 00:55.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok, I'm fed up with laptops. Not built for 100% duty cycle and a PITA to service. Tomorrow it will be a minotower again |
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| 00:58.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | always the friggin fans which break |
| 00:58.56 | Macer | DocScrutinizer51: get a toughbook heh |
| 00:59.04 | Macer | yeah |
| 00:59.15 | Macer | blame x86 |
| 00:59.20 | Macer | and its inability to run without a fan |
| 00:59.27 | Macer | where are our arm desktops? :) |
| 00:59.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | glares at CF-29 |
| 00:59.57 | SpeedEvil | or add external fans :-) |
| 01:00.11 | SpeedEvil | wishes proper maglev fans existed |
| 01:00.46 | Macer | wow i just realized |
| 01:00.51 | Macer | there isn't an arm desktop! heh |
| 01:00.56 | Macer | wtf.. someone needs to make one |
| 01:01.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | wishes it wasn't such a pain to disassembe the T500 |
| 01:02.01 | Macer | http://trimslice.com/web/ |
| 01:02.03 | Macer | there you go |
| 01:02.06 | Macer | DocScrutinizer51: get one of those :) |
| 01:02.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | honestly what did those fools think how to clean the heatsink and fan? |
| 01:02.46 | Macer | haha |
| 01:02.47 | Macer | they didn't |
| 01:02.53 | Macer | they expect them to break on purpose right past the warranty |
| 01:03.01 | Macer | you will probably buy another brand.. but they do the same thing |
| 01:03.07 | Macer | and the people who bought the other brand buy yours :) |
| 01:03.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | no, I buy a miditower tomorrow |
| 01:04.08 | Macer | http://www.tinygreenpc.com/fit-pc/intense-pc.aspx |
| 01:04.14 | Macer | there goes a fanless i7? |
| 01:04.17 | Macer | 1.7GHz? |
| 01:04.26 | Macer | do i7s come that slow or do they just underclock it to death? |
| 01:05.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | nfc |
| 01:05.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | I just wonder who's now going to reboot your fw |
| 01:06.09 | Macer | reboot your fw? |
| 01:06.19 | Macer | DocScrutinizer51: i'm just saying |
| 01:06.26 | Macer | that thing is incredibly small and can be used as a desktop |
| 01:07.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | warfare: ping |
| 01:07.49 | Macer | http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-1025C-MU17-WT-10-1-Inch-Netbook-White/dp/B0071N3BJ6/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1360631216&sr=8-16&keywords=fanless+laptop |
| 01:07.53 | Macer | that doesn't have a fan in it ;) |
| 01:08.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | warfare: please create a cronjob on fw to shutdown -r twice every 8h |
| 01:08.20 | Macer | 3rd generation Intel Atom Dual-Core Processor, featuring enhanced graphics performance and fanless design for extended battery life and quiet computing |
| 01:08.23 | eccerr0r | hmm. my celeron 500 is 33% faster than my n900 on this one silly benchmark... |
| 01:08.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/twice// |
| 01:12.06 | eccerr0r | my i7 is 30x faster than my celeron 500 on that same benchmark... |
| 01:15.24 | eccerr0r | would be nice if I could run my i5 laptop without a fan of course... it does turn off sometimes... |
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| 02:32.26 | eccerr0r | hmm... at 5.25V into the n900 it's drawing 210mA screen off... |
| 02:32.34 | eccerr0r | that doesn't seem like a lot... |
| 02:33.31 | SpeedEvil | charging? |
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| 02:34.08 | eccerr0r | yeah, charging |
| 02:34.30 | eccerr0r | was hoping to get a full 500mA in... |
| 02:34.46 | eccerr0r | or even better 1.2A like what the AC10C says... |
| 02:35.34 | SpeedEvil | the highest I recall stock on ac adaptor was 700 into bat |
| 02:45.46 | eccerr0r | I don't think I can get that high... |
| 02:46.07 | eccerr0r | I also wonder about my charger...it appears somewhat used and possibly adulterated... |
| 02:46.48 | eccerr0r | how high voltage can the stock charger get? |
| 02:46.59 | eccerr0r | I just recall my AC8U for my 5230 can get as high as 8V |
| 02:47.10 | eccerr0r | even though it's rated 5V 890mA |
| 02:47.29 | eccerr0r | the 5230 definitely charges much faster. |
| 02:52.11 | SpeedEvil | 5v |
| 02:52.57 | SpeedEvil | if I recall, absolute maximum voltage for the charger is 6.5. |
| 02:53.15 | SpeedEvil | it has been a while since I checked out though |
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| 03:23.39 | eccerr0r | at 6-6.5V I can see 500mA going through |
| 03:25.59 | r00t^home | how much at 230VAC? |
| 03:29.19 | eccerr0r | ohm's law: you figure it out :p |
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| 03:57.41 | SpeedEvil | switched mode power supplies are not ohmic loads |
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| 04:02.47 | Woody14619 | ping docscrutinizer05 chem|st GeneralAntilles and/or qwazix |
| 04:02.54 | GeneralAntilles | Yes? |
| 04:03.10 | Woody14619 | Taken a look at the HiFo site lately? :) |
| 04:03.22 | Woody14619 | Throwing DB errors... |
| 04:03.25 | GeneralAntilles | Oops |
| 04:03.30 | GeneralAntilles | Don't have any access there yet |
| 04:03.35 | GeneralAntilles | Email Tim |
| 04:04.10 | Woody14619 | k, figured you may have known. Will mail out a request. :) |
| 04:04.32 | GeneralAntilles | Not in the loop yet |
| 04:04.36 | GeneralAntilles | Need to get with them about that. . . . |
| 04:04.58 | Woody14619 | lol :) Just figured I had a better than 0% chance asking. :) |
| 04:05.06 | Woody14619 | As I also have no access. :) |
| 04:05.09 | GeneralAntilles | ;) |
| 04:05.21 | Woody14619 | K, have a good night! :) |
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| 04:48.35 | eccerr0r | argh. |
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| 04:56.06 | eccerr0r | http://users.vanade.com/~eccerr0r/Screenshot-20130211-214559.png <- my battery-eye chart... first charge phase was AC-10C, second and third were a laptop, fourth is a constant voltage power supply at 5.25V... |
| 04:56.57 | eccerr0r | the first phase looks very suspicious, wonder how the program thought it was full when the voltage was still rising... |
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| 05:40.22 | Macer | hm |
| 05:40.41 | Macer | doesnt seem to be a way to put an email notification into the status bar in belle |
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| 06:03.38 | RST38h | moo, ab |
| 06:03.48 | ab | meh, RST38h |
| 06:04.14 | RST38h | how is suffering this morning? |
| 06:04.39 | orlok | Is there any new phone that compares to an N900 yet? |
| 06:04.46 | ab | few power outages yesterday evening and through the night |
| 06:04.57 | ab | snow is heavy here |
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| 06:05.23 | RST38h | ab: has been a lot of snowfall a few days ago, pretty decent now, just monochrome |
| 06:19.27 | Macer | P I'm using swype for putty |
| 06:20.09 | Macer | Wish I could see the screen at the same time |
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| 08:31.04 | kerio | SpeedEvil: what do you mean by "proper" maglev fans? |
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| 08:33.05 | kerio | Macer: damn that's a sweet thing |
| 08:33.26 | kerio | only one ethernet port, though :( |
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| 08:43.06 | kerio | yo vi____ |
| 08:43.18 | kerio | vi____: why aren't you vi? |
| 08:43.30 | kerio | oh, taken :( |
| 08:45.08 | psycho_oreos | goes to show its popularity |
| 08:46.28 | kerio | vi_ isn't registered |
| 08:48.34 | psycho_oreos | but vi_ != vi :) because vi is also commonly attributed to an editor |
| 08:52.04 | kerio | am i a bad enough dude to disable compression on rootfs? |
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| 09:05.32 | kerio | ShadowJK_ and other I/O experts: do you think that disabling compression in ubifs would improve performance? or is the decompression faster than the reading, even with the n900's limited cpu? |
| 09:07.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | warfare: qwazix: I'm semi-offline, my PC is defect, no email, no fw monitoring, no close following of 30 irc channels |
| 09:10.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | particularly /me no more can drive server migration |
| 09:12.08 | kerio | but you've got a n900! |
| 09:13.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | which enables me to send thus... warning |
| 09:13.45 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer51: firewall seems ok don't fret ;) |
| 09:13.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | I *might* even fill a UPS webpage and click OK |
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| 09:14.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | but I can't look up *how* to fill such page |
| 09:15.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | thedead1440: thanks |
| 09:16.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | I think I've seen '(warfare) I'll take care of fw" |
| 09:18.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: why not? you've got multiple n900s :P |
| 09:19.04 | warfare | DocScrutinizer51: I'll take care of firewall monitoring. |
| 09:19.33 | kerio | put them together, you've got a quad-core computer with a 1600x960 screen |
| 09:19.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | warfare: thanks |
| 09:20.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | OT! what about this: http://www.kkcomputer.de/Default.aspx?tabid=34&CategoryID=537&List=0&Level=1&ProductID=17459&Pics=1 |
| 09:20.09 | kerio | in all seriousness, what happened to your laptop? is it something that you could fix? |
| 09:20.14 | kerio | is it something worth fixing? |
| 09:20.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | fan stopped spinning |
| 09:20.41 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: hm, not a big fan of integrated graphics |
| 09:21.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | does it have pcie for better graca? |
| 09:22.35 | kerio | i don't know, it doesn't specify the exact model of the motherboard |
| 09:22.47 | warfare | DocScrutinizer51: can you still remember your commandline for the fw watchdog? |
| 09:22.48 | kerio | oh, yes it does |
| 09:23.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | err, thedead should know |
| 09:23.13 | kerio | the intel h77 page lists 8 pci express |
| 09:23.30 | kerio | and pci express graphics |
| 09:23.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | or chanlog search 'while sleep' |
| 09:23.35 | kerio | which i didn't know was a separate thing |
| 09:24.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | while dleep 300 |
| 09:24.19 | kerio | i'm not entirely in touch with normal prices, my last computer was a macbook pro, so i can't tell if it's a good price or not |
| 09:24.25 | kerio | seems somewhat high |
| 09:24.32 | kerio | but it's a quad-core i5 |
| 09:25.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | with SSD |
| 09:25.14 | kerio | ah, yes |
| 09:25.17 | warfare | I think the price is ok. |
| 09:25.23 | kerio | i wasn't thinking of that |
| 09:25.34 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: I guess you're just going to slap $linux_distribution on it?= |
| 09:25.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | will it run linux and vmware? |
| 09:25.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | rrrrright |
| 09:25.53 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: remember to align to... i dunno, 24MB?, and to enable discard |
| 09:26.01 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer51: this one: |
| 09:26.06 | thedead1440 | while sleep 300; do date;ssh -oConnectTimeout=10 -oProxyCommand="ssh newtmo nc %h %p" root@fw ./reboot1; done |
| 09:26.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
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| 09:26.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | warfare: ^ |
| 09:26.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | err, connecttimeout=4 |
| 09:27.40 | thedead1440 | cat ./reboot2; #!/bin/sh; exec >&- 2>&- <&-; trap "" 1; sleep 720; echo -e "Rebooting in 5min\nkillall reboot2 to cancel"|wall; sleep 300; echo "rebooting now"|wall; shutdown -r now |
| 09:27.51 | merlin1991 | hm the hw looks good, but the price is a bit steep |
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| 09:28.21 | warfare | DocScrutinizer51, thedead1440: thanks, I'll let this run on my root server. |
| 09:28.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | thanks |
| 09:29.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | hope to go online again next 18h |
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| 09:29.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | but you never know, somehow I need to copy my laptop home |
| 09:30.04 | thedead1440 | wow that tower is expensive o.O |
| 09:30.29 | thedead1440 | but then EU taxes so I'm not too sure :D |
| 09:30.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | it has SSD |
| 09:31.08 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: that tower has a ton of sata connectors |
| 09:31.57 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer51: that SSD if its a Intel 520 Series SSD costs 138Euros here in Singapore |
| 09:32.33 | kerio | thedead1440: add secure shipping to germany now :) |
| 09:32.40 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: I end up at ~ 550€ if I order equivalent if not better parts |
| 09:33.42 | kerio | freemangordon: are you up? |
| 09:34.10 | merlin1991 | btw kerio why not integrated graphics |
| 09:34.38 | merlin1991 | especially for a linux desktop the i5 / i3 integrated stuff is great because it works without any problems (proper drivers from intel) |
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| 09:34.47 | kerio | merlin1991: because then your framerate in red eclipse, quake live or urban terror will suck |
| 09:35.55 | merlin1991 | kerio: my i3-2370M runs even really crappy coded games like world of tanks (under windows) still at around 50fps |
| 09:36.04 | merlin1991 | gotta try urban terror though |
| 09:36.27 | merlin1991 | copies the files |
| 09:36.48 | merlin1991 | and keep in mind that i3 is a generation older than the i5 in that tower |
| 09:37.22 | kerio | merlin1991: anything short of 125fps, with a 60fps display, isn't enough, with very fast games :) |
| 09:37.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | I have no games |
| 09:37.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | my game is IRC |
| 09:37.43 | thedead1440 | kerio: DocScrutinizer51 needs a PC for IRC |
| 09:37.48 | kerio | it's a really nice game! |
| 09:37.52 | kerio | very fast-paced, too |
| 09:37.56 | thedead1440 | haha DocScrutinizer51 your kitchen was faster :p |
| 09:38.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehe |
| 09:38.14 | kerio | clearly, you need a specialized graphics card: http://www.bbspot.com/news/2003/02/ati_ascii.html |
| 09:38.43 | warfare | DocScrutinizer51: get a raspberry pi for backup ;) |
| 09:39.09 | kerio | merlin1991: am i a bad enough dude to optify microb-engine? |
| 09:39.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | warfare: I got a CF-29, but with no up-5o-date home |
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| 09:40.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: will fsckup your system |
| 09:40.21 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: is browserd started *that* early? :O |
| 09:40.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 09:40.37 | kerio | damn |
| 09:40.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | indeed |
| 09:40.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | like PA |
| 09:41.02 | kerio | hold on now, you guys said the same thing about locale-archive |
| 09:41.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah, ponder 911 calls in early boot |
| 09:41.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | and whatnot |
| 09:42.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | those niche cases can kill your whole system design |
| 09:42.56 | kerio | hold on, why would calling 911 depend on browserd? |
| 09:43.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok, I'm afk, getting tower PC and LCD |
| 09:43.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | and kbd |
| 09:43.27 | kerio | yay, new computer |
| 09:43.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | not browser but PA for sure |
| 09:43.54 | kerio | i'm not optifying PA! |
| 09:43.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 09:44.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | just since I used PA as example |
| 09:44.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe caller depends on history depends on browserd |
| 09:44.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | I dunno |
| 09:45.04 | kerio | fuck it, i'm optifying |
| 09:49.02 | kerio | meh, it boots |
| 09:49.36 | kerio | what the hell, now Conversations has a scroll bar |
| 09:50.21 | kerio | i don't get it |
| 09:54.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | ;-P |
| 09:54.18 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: i would've been fine with it not working |
| 09:54.21 | kerio | but why the scroll bar? |
| 09:54.31 | kerio | microb works fine |
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| 09:54.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | yjis is complex shite |
| 09:55.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | this* |
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| 09:58.53 | qwazix | kerio, does it thumb-scroll despite the scrollbar? |
| 09:58.56 | kerio | no |
| 09:59.30 | qwazix | drat, I would love to have kinetic scrolling && scrollbar |
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| 09:59.49 | qwazix | Sometimes I miss symbian |
| 09:59.57 | Macer | kerio: the arm based desktop? |
| 10:00.01 | kerio | Macer: yes |
| 10:00.06 | Macer | qwazix: belle is awesome heh |
| 10:00.11 | Macer | after you tweak it |
| 10:00.18 | kerio | two ethernet ports would make it work as a router too |
| 10:00.28 | Macer | it looks like maemo or meego |
| 10:00.40 | qwazix | Macer, they even !@@#% removed the scrollbar from belle FP2 !! |
| 10:00.45 | Macer | kerio: for that just get a wrt router heh |
| 10:00.48 | qwazix | And the arrows from the keyboard!! |
| 10:00.51 | kerio | Macer: no u |
| 10:00.54 | qwazix | what's wrong with them? |
| 10:01.08 | Macer | arrows from the keyboard? |
| 10:01.12 | Macer | the vkb? |
| 10:01.23 | qwazix | By the way I *want* a 808. Badly |
| 10:01.28 | qwazix | Macer, yep |
| 10:01.40 | Macer | there are left and right arrows |
| 10:01.49 | Macer | you could probably install a custom one |
| 10:01.51 | qwazix | Macer, which device? |
| 10:01.59 | Macer | i have an e7 |
| 10:02.08 | Macer | so i have arrows ;) |
| 10:02.23 | qwazix | E7 never got FP2, belle refresh still has both scrollbar and arrows |
| 10:02.32 | qwazix | best symbian edition ever |
| 10:02.33 | Macer | oh |
| 10:02.47 | Macer | not sure if there is a port .. dont think so |
| 10:02.59 | Macer | i like belle tho |
| 10:03.08 | Macer | it is pretty awesome.. wish i got one sooner |
| 10:03.21 | Macer | and so far my usb port hasnt snapped off ;) |
| 10:03.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | qwazix: you need to help drive migration now |
| 10:03.34 | Macer | i do miss the maemo type stuff |
| 10:03.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | qwazix: I'm offline |
| 10:03.44 | Macer | like telepathy |
| 10:03.50 | Macer | :( |
| 10:04.00 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer51, ok, what should I do? |
| 10:04.03 | Macer | and xterm heh |
| 10:04.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | check mail, drive server shipping with warfare and Eero |
| 10:05.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | warfare: you got 'the papers'? |
| 10:05.40 | warfare | DocScrutinizer51: not yet. |
| 10:06.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | talk with the iphh guy? |
| 10:07.04 | warfare | DocScrutinizer51: also not yet, work got in the way. |
| 10:07.24 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer51, can't see any mail, latest regarding server was about nameservers 21h ago |
| 10:07.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | np, please keep qwazix up to date (me in 'copy') |
| 10:07.47 | warfare | DocScrutinizer51: will do :) |
| 10:08.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | warfare: can you explain grassroot to qwazix ? |
| 10:09.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | IRC copy |
| 10:27.42 | warfare | DocScrutinizer51: I'll do, but not here :) |
| 10:27.46 | freemangordon | qwazix: how to pass a color as a parameter to the fragment shader? |
| 10:30.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | warfare: sure thing :-) |
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| 10:31.44 | kerio | hm, apparently the scrollbar problem isn't only mine |
| 10:32.18 | kerio | but i don't want to lose my .mozilla :( |
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| 10:32.57 | kerio | freemangordon: optified /usr/lib/microb-engine and /usr/share/microb-engine, now all my conversations in Conversations have a scrollbar - do you have any idea of what could've caused this? |
| 10:33.07 | kerio | i don't know if it happened before the optification, i'm going to assume no |
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| 10:35.13 | qwazix | freemangordon, I have no idea... |
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| 12:01.01 | louigi | hey fellas, I am now in the middle of replacing an N900 screen |
| 12:01.14 | louigi | is there a good guide somewhere? |
| 12:01.38 | louigi | I wonder how to detach the cable thing from the phone once I unscrewed it |
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| 12:14.50 | aap | there are some great youtube videos for n900 dissassembly |
| 12:16.41 | louigi | aap, okie, I found some. Now I have to figure out how to attach a new screen onto this clip thing ))) |
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| 12:24.31 | louigi | yay, I did it! |
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| 12:25.25 | aap | cool! |
| 12:26.02 | aap | did you replace the display or just the digitizer? |
| 12:27.08 | louigi | aap, what is a digitizer. Well, to explain without using terms, I unclipped the screen and clipped on another. So I did not take out the LCD panel or anything - I had a cable problem, the cable was torn |
| 12:27.45 | aap | louigi, the digitizer is the part your finger touches |
| 12:28.10 | louigi | aap, ah, ok |
| 12:28.19 | louigi | Well, I replaced the whole screen block |
| 12:29.15 | louigi | I need to buy more N900 =))) |
| 12:30.08 | aap | same here. at least one more for backup hardware ;-) |
| 12:32.15 | SpeedEvil | been looking on eBay for ones with easy faults here |
| 12:33.04 | louigi | guys, I've installed CSSU yesterday. I don't seem to find a vlc player in the repos |
| 12:33.16 | louigi | and the repo from vlc site does not connect |
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| 12:39.04 | aap | louigi, go to talk.maemo.org and you'll see the warning about repositories down and how to set up the temporary ones. |
| 12:39.20 | merlin1991 | hm I don't think there's vlc in our repos at all |
| 12:39.23 | merlin1991 | though I could be wrong |
| 12:39.47 | louigi | merlin1991, are there any repos I need to have except for the cssu one? |
| 12:39.54 | kerio | "need", no |
| 12:40.03 | merlin1991 | but it makes sense to have maemo extras |
| 12:40.04 | kerio | you might want one of extras, extras-testing or extras-devel |
| 12:40.07 | louigi | aap, yeah, I saw that thread, will follow it up |
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| 13:33.41 | kerio | hrmpf, even with a cleaned .mozilla i still get the stupid scrollbars in Conversations |
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| 13:44.00 | kerio | ok, the scrollbars in Conversations aren't the optification's fault |
| 13:44.01 | kerio | ...yay |
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| 14:04.13 | thedead1440 | kerio: aren't scroll-bars there by default? |
| 14:04.20 | kerio | no |
| 14:04.28 | kerio | conversations are supposed to do kinetic scrolling |
| 14:05.08 | thedead1440 | i've the scrollbars too on my n900 w/o having done anything as such to get them but its still kinetic scrolling |
| 14:07.26 | WizardNumberNext | kerio: I've made it. I have cssu-testing. Problem wasn't lying in repos. I had some package installed, which was conflicting with something. In the end I prefer apt-get, because I would get this straight away and no additional checks are needed to find out about conflicts |
| 14:07.42 | kerio | thedead1440: scrollbar with buttons? |
| 14:07.46 | kerio | and that don't disappear? |
| 14:08.03 | thedead1440 | oh no buttons just scrollbars |
| 14:08.14 | WizardNumberNext | btw I cannot find, where kp52 is. I searched part of this thread you gave me, but still didn't find it. |
| 14:08.56 | WizardNumberNext | thedead1440: so those scrollbars do not disappear at all? |
| 14:09.01 | WizardNumberNext | that is most strange |
| 14:09.29 | WizardNumberNext | I am getting scrollbars, while scrolling, but they disappear after say 3 seconds |
| 14:10.02 | thedead1440 | let me try rebooting; been over a week since i last rebooted and its pretty laggy now :D |
| 14:13.18 | thedead1440 | WizardNumberNext: yup now they disappear after 3seconds |
| 14:13.56 | WizardNumberNext | looks like you had quite big memory-footprint |
| 14:13.58 | thedead1440 | i wonder why it required a reboot though |
| 14:14.02 | WizardNumberNext | a lot of swap |
| 14:14.04 | thedead1440 | yup maybe |
| 14:14.33 | WizardNumberNext | damn, swap is blessing and curst in one |
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| 14:46.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | hah, decent PC |
| 14:47.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | now next step: decent OS for decent PC |
| 14:48.04 | kerio | debian! |
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| 14:49.45 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: remember to enable the "discard" option for filesystems on the ssd |
| 14:50.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | honestly, the distro label doesn't matter much to me |
| 14:50.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, stuff like that |
| 14:50.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | or: which kernel? |
| 14:50.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | XEN? |
| 14:51.01 | kerio | i'm not even sure XEN is feasible, for desktops |
| 14:51.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | ??? |
| 14:51.56 | kerio | just use kvm/virtualbox/vmware |
| 14:52.11 | kerio | your cpu is a beast |
| 14:53.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | this is mostly a maemo PC |
| 14:53.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | I might want to test the XEN VM locally |
| 14:53.35 | kerio | so run XEN in a virtual machine :) |
| 14:53.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | warfare: ^ |
| 14:53.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | bwahaha |
| 14:54.03 | warfare | mh? |
| 14:54.22 | kerio | please tell doc that xen on a desktop is quite the unnecessary hassle |
| 14:54.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | XEN for my PC? |
| 14:54.34 | warfare | It is. Use kvm on your PC. |
| 14:54.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok |
| 14:54.47 | kerio | warfare: what do you think of virtualbox? |
| 14:55.37 | warfare | kerio: Works good enough, some collegues have issues on linux. |
| 14:56.06 | warfare | VirtualBox works good out of the box, kvm might be some hassle for networking setup. |
| 14:56.20 | kerio | warfare: btw, do you mean xen on kvm? because doc wanted xen for xen, not for virtualization |
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| 14:56.57 | warfare | kerio: xen could work on kvm. |
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| 14:58.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | I thought I could run arbitrary xen disk image locally, for testing purposes |
| 14:58.29 | merlin1991 | hm is there any advantage of xen over kvm nowadays? |
| 14:58.43 | kerio | merlin1991: xen is paravirtualization |
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| 14:59.17 | kerio | it's probably a bit more efficient |
| 14:59.22 | kerio | and scales a lot |
| 14:59.40 | merlin1991 | hm kvm with virtio fun is similar though |
| 15:00.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | my display doesn't autodim anymore :-S |
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| 15:00.22 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: your display doesn't need to autodim anymore! :-D |
| 15:00.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-P |
| 15:01.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | you mean since N900 is my primary device? |
| 15:01.09 | kerio | merlin1991: direct hw access is also a thing |
| 15:01.20 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: i thought you were talking about your new desktop |
| 15:01.33 | kerio | the one attached to an infinite power source |
| 15:01.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh |
| 15:03.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | hrrrrrr, asian chick next table |
| 15:03.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | 8-P |
| 15:03.54 | thedead1440 | haha |
| 15:03.54 | kerio | 8 hours without a computer, ladies and gentlemen |
| 15:04.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | 12 |
| 15:04.14 | kerio | madness! |
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| 15:10.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | grr, some sucker process blocking dimming. Will need to bootkill my uptime |
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| 15:12.00 | w00d0ng50 | hi |
| 15:12.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.20 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: disable and reenable the dimming |
| 15:12.26 | kerio | w00d0ng50: hi |
| 15:12.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | did |
| 15:12.36 | kerio | change the dimming timer |
| 15:12.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | did |
| 15:12.44 | kerio | stop and start mce |
| 15:12.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | aaah |
| 15:13.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | \o/ |
| 15:14.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: thanks |
| 15:15.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol, it helped once |
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| 15:18.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | some sucker process sending wake-up events |
| 15:18.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | it dims and come back up |
| 15:19.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | xchat? |
| 15:21.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah |
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| 15:31.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 15:31.43 | infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51 |
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| 15:35.54 | topro | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.42 | bef0rd | qt creator |
| 15:40.31 | bef0rd | the easiest to get up running, just make sure to install the freemantle stuff |
| 15:40.42 | topro | i am well aware of qt creator, but that doesn't make up the full sdk, does it? |
| 15:41.31 | bef0rd | not sure what else do you need, care to elaborate? |
| 15:41.54 | topro | have a link to "freemantle stuff"? |
| 15:44.14 | bef0rd | its in the updater, add Maemo Toolchain component |
| 15:44.56 | topro | does it need a min version of qt creator? |
| 15:45.25 | bef0rd | http://imgur.com/fKXwzYR |
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| 15:46.19 | bef0rd | I think its only included in the qt sdk distributed by nokia, but I'm not sure, you can probably configure it to use the toolchain with a newer version |
| 15:46.21 | topro | ok, so I actually need qt sdk from nokia, not just qt creator as supplied by i.e. debian squeeze, right? |
| 15:46.43 | bef0rd | yea :) |
| 15:47.08 | bef0rd | http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/da8df288-e615-443d-be5c-00c8a72435f8/Qt_SDK.html |
| 15:49.44 | bef0rd | scratchbox sdk also allows to develop with qt/qml afaik, I just find qt creator easier |
| 15:51.04 | topro | ok, i'll give qt sdk a try. just hope debian will like the ubuntu deb |
| 15:53.24 | bef0rd | the qtsdk can be installed to your ~ dir, it should not conflict with system wide qt creator, I've only used it on ubuntu though |
| 15:54.15 | topro | well, right now nokia wants me to have an account before downloading the sdk :( |
| 15:54.38 | bef0rd | :) |
| 15:55.35 | bef0rd | I can give you the direct link I think |
| 15:55.44 | bef0rd | if you want to avoid the account creation step |
| 15:56.09 | topro | i would if thats fine for them |
| 15:56.19 | bef0rd | not sure if it would work though, I'll pm you one to test |
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| 16:58.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: where's DocScrutinizerPC? |
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| 17:28.31 | kerio | who could help on a browserd issue? |
| 17:29.35 | NIN101 | nokia |
| 17:29.37 | NIN101 | hides. |
| 17:29.38 | kerio | hahahahahahaha |
| 17:30.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: what did you say about SSD truncate? |
| 17:30.30 | kerio | not truncate, trim |
| 17:30.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | where? how? |
| 17:30.41 | kerio | "discard" in the mount options |
| 17:30.49 | kerio | ext4 supports it |
| 17:30.53 | kerio | i hope you've aligned your partition |
| 17:30.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | mhm |
| 17:31.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | err |
| 17:31.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | aligned on what? |
| 17:31.15 | kerio | i explicitly reminded you, dammit >:( |
| 17:31.22 | kerio | to the eraseblock |
| 17:31.40 | kerio | 4, 8, or maybe even 12MiB |
| 17:31.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | how dafaq I know those? |
| 17:32.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm just about to configure my partitioning |
| 17:32.16 | kerio | yay |
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| 17:32.52 | kerio | by the way, have you checked for updates to the ssd firmware? |
| 17:34.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: align your partitions to at least 4MiB |
| 17:34.39 | kerio | and mount your filesystem with the "discard" option |
| 17:34.44 | kerio | ext4 on linux 3 supports that |
| 17:35.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | (ssd)sda1 2,0G /boot; sda2 80,0G /; sda3 70,68G /ssd-aux; sda4 ext; sda5 10,0G swap |
| 17:35.23 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: yeah but where do they start? |
| 17:37.36 | merlin1991 | hm how does the triple led on the n900 work, are the leds variable in brightness? |
| 17:37.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | (hdd)sdb1 2,01G (unused); sdb2 20,0G /rescue-root; sdb3 880,50G /home; sdb4 ext; sdb5 16,0G swap |
| 17:38.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: sure |
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| 17:39.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: sda /boot start 0 end 260 |
| 17:39.26 | kerio | it can't start at 0 |
| 17:39.29 | kerio | there's the MBR at 0 |
| 17:39.35 | n900-dk | merlin1991: Is building new packages list for extras repo causing some issues? |
| 17:39.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: NFC |
| 17:40.16 | merlin1991 | n900-dk: building the list is a piece of cake, knowing how the system usually works and plugging it in at the right place is the problem |
| 17:40.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: I guess that's cyl |
| 17:40.41 | merlin1991 | and then there's the matter of what todo with the debs that don't match checksums anymore |
| 17:42.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: what about trim now? |
| 17:42.31 | kerio | idk, use a different partitioner |
| 17:42.35 | kerio | one that lets you see the bytes |
| 17:42.50 | kerio | i mean, trim would still work |
| 17:42.57 | kerio | just a bit more suboptimally |
| 17:43.08 | kerio | add the "discard" mount option to every ext4 partition |
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| 17:43.45 | n900-dk | merlin1991: hmm, doesn't sound to good. Can we do anything to help you? |
| 17:44.04 | kerio | (and notice that trim means that a certain time after you deleted a file, it's actually irrecoverable) |
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| 17:44.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: sda? intel ssdsc2ct18 cyl:21889 size-cyl:7.84MB |
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| 17:45.00 | merlin1991 | n900-dk: I basically have to wait untill we get that "knowledge transfer" from nemein, so I can ask questions about the repos and builder |
| 17:45.09 | kerio | there are no cylinders on a ssd! >:( |
| 17:45.14 | kerio | use sectors for partitioning |
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| 17:45.51 | n900-dk | merlin1991: ok |
| 17:48.03 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: it's going to matter so very little |
| 17:48.13 | kerio | but the partition alignment isn't something that you can easily change afterwards |
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| 17:56.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | could someone look up for me if kernel cmdline parameter splash=nosplash is correct? |
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| 17:56.54 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: just nosplash, as far as i can see |
| 17:57.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | instead of splash= and quiet ? |
| 17:57.49 | kerio | hm, possibly even just not specifying anything |
| 17:57.50 | kerio | but yeah |
| 17:58.07 | kerio | in other news, i still can't figure out wtf happened to my Conversations |
| 17:58.08 | kerio | and when |
| 17:58.29 | kerio | because undoing the changes and restoring my .mozilla from a backup didn't help |
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| 18:03.50 | kerio | i assume that the problem started happening at some point in the past and i didn't notice |
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| 18:06.10 | arcean_ | yay |
| 18:06.12 | arcean_ | libmaliit1_0.81.2.1-1+0m5_armel.deb qt-components-10_1.0-pre2-1+0m5_armel.deb MD5Sum mismatch |
| 18:06.24 | kerio | why are you happy? |
| 18:07.14 | arcean_ | everything fails, so I'm trying to be happy :D |
| 18:10.39 | kerio | hm, some dude actually had the same problem: https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=3175 |
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| 18:25.42 | WizardNumberNext | I did 3 hot-swaps of battery. 2 of them successful! 3rd unsuccessful, maybe because display was off. |
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| 18:32.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok, this will take 3h now |
| 18:32.54 | kerio | wait, what? |
| 18:33.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | curses 2Mb DSL |
| 18:33.07 | kerio | ooooh |
| 18:33.09 | kerio | netinst? |
| 18:33.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | yup |
| 18:33.29 | kerio | which distro? |
| 18:33.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | suse |
| 18:33.38 | kerio | ._. |
| 18:33.50 | WizardNumberNext | doc you must be joking - I wouldn't do netinst even on 10mbps |
| 18:33.59 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: why? |
| 18:34.04 | kerio | at some point you have to download that shit anyway |
| 18:34.09 | WizardNumberNext | actually never did it below 50mbps |
| 18:34.24 | WizardNumberNext | yeah, but I prefer to be able to use my desktop |
| 18:34.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | without OS I can't use my desktop |
| 18:35.15 | WizardNumberNext | that's why last time I ever installed any OS on bare metal was rawly 1 year ago and I did it only, bcause it was laptop |
| 18:35.43 | WizardNumberNext | not counting this one last time was 5 years ago |
| 18:35.44 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: to be fair you could've just cloned your laptop |
| 18:36.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, when you got bare metal, you gonna install OS to bare metal |
| 18:36.55 | WizardNumberNext | no, I install OS on HDD, I don't have to do it on machine, which would be running that OS |
| 18:37.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | burp |
| 18:37.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | got no other machine to plug tht SSD in |
| 18:37.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh |
| 18:37.59 | WizardNumberNext | cheat! |
| 18:38.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | it runs unattended |
| 18:38.19 | WizardNumberNext | then plug laptop drive to desktop and install from ther |
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| 18:40.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | look, this PC isn't useable right now. Why should I bother with first downloading stuff while the PC is 'dead', and then waste additional time on running the installation? |
| 18:40.13 | WizardNumberNext | actually, if I remeber right first time I installed OS under hyper-visor for bare-matel was back in nov 2007 and after that I seriously avoid installing on bare-metal |
| 18:40.37 | WizardNumberNext | clone then |
| 18:40.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | clone friggin what? |
| 18:40.54 | merlin1991 | heh debian-testing installing only takes about hm 2 to 3 hrs? (at least with my connection) |
| 18:41.08 | WizardNumberNext | and look into /var/cache/apt - it might save you some time |
| 18:41.58 | WizardNumberNext | merlin - it takes me rawly 10-15 minutes, but I have images on server |
| 18:44.09 | merlin1991 | well I neither have images nor a local mirror, I just have a netinst disc and hours of fun |
| 18:44.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | exactly like me |
| 18:44.56 | merlin1991 | and then after 3 hours you realize it installed gnome3 and go fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 18:45.11 | merlin1991 | I eventually whiped the disk because cleaning that package mess was no fun |
| 18:45.39 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: debootstrap in one window, pr0n on another? |
| 18:46.10 | WizardNumberNext | pr0n? |
| 18:46.22 | merlin1991 | ~pr0n |
| 18:46.22 | kerio | pr0n! |
| 18:46.35 | merlin1991 | hm infobot needs more factoids it seems |
| 18:46.41 | WizardNumberNext | nfc what is it |
| 18:46.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | I think it's another latte here |
| 18:46.52 | merlin1991 | WizardNumberNext: swap letter 2 and 3 |
| 18:47.04 | WizardNumberNext | hehehe |
| 18:47.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~listkeys pr0n |
| 18:47.26 | WizardNumberNext | too many windows - I already lost where pr0n is! |
| 18:47.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~bot pr0n |
| 18:47.50 | infobot | get out racheal and find the puncture repair kit! |
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| 18:48.21 | kerio | $ du -hsx .pr0n |
| 18:48.21 | kerio | 161G.pr0n |
| 18:48.28 | kerio | i'm not sure whether to feel ashamed or proud |
| 18:48.37 | WizardNumberNext | both! |
| 18:49.15 | WizardNumberNext | you feel ashamed with your mind, proud with your hand |
| 18:49.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | 3.9 of initially 4.5G remaining |
| 18:49.58 | WizardNumberNext | time is definitely passing |
| 18:51.11 | kerio | actually, i also don't know if i feel more ashamed of 249GMAME 0.148 CHDs/ |
| 18:51.12 | WizardNumberNext | doc give me package list and lest see who would be first. You downloading binaries, or me downloading sources and compiling them |
| 18:51.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | since this SSD and CPU are real beasts, the installation after download of a pkg takes ~0.01s |
| 18:51.39 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: have you aligned your partitions? |
| 18:51.45 | WizardNumberNext | impossiblle! |
| 18:51.47 | kerio | and set ridiculously unsafe options? |
| 18:51.59 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: also 8G of ram, that data probably never touched the SSD |
| 18:52.14 | WizardNumberNext | decompressing would take ages compared to that figure |
| 18:52.24 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: quad-core i5 3.2GHz |
| 18:53.05 | WizardNumberNext | so I have k10h hexa-core 3.2GHz |
| 18:53.58 | WizardNumberNext | actually I even don't remeber actual clocking at the moment as I boosted ref clock from 200MHz to 235MHz |
| 18:54.52 | WizardNumberNext | 3047MHz |
| 18:56.20 | WizardNumberNext | but memory would be running at 468.769MHz |
| 18:56.42 | WizardNumberNext | so it is much faster now, then on stock |
| 18:58.29 | WizardNumberNext | both HT and IMC are running 2578MHz instead of 2000MHz. It gives quite nice boost, as L3 chache is inside IMC |
| 18:58.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, for new this box feels fast enough for me |
| 18:58.42 | WizardNumberNext | s/chache/cache/ |
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| 18:59.29 | WizardNumberNext | I was hunting my CPU for half year and got it from USA at fraction of price, so it is best deal I could possibly make at the time |
| 19:00.34 | WizardNumberNext | I got it 2 weeks after price of 1090T risen from 170GBP to 210GBP. It costed me 127GBP with shipping. IT is used one from rendering farm. |
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| 19:03.33 | CcxN | trying to get pulseaudio to work from inside chroot, I share /etc/pulse /tmp /var/run/pulse /var/{run,lib}/dbus, but still no avail |
| 19:06.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | you'll need /dev |
| 19:07.06 | CcxN | that's shared too |
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| 19:08.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok, 50min/GB, 3.5 left |
| 19:08.38 | CcxN | I have strace of pactl info failing, but I see no apparent cause |
| 19:13.05 | CcxN | minute, installing wgetpaste, then I'll provide relevant info |
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| 19:13.33 | CcxN | or should I head to #pulseaudio instead? |
| 19:16.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | nm, that's 'installed size', not download |
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| 19:20.31 | CcxN | http://bpaste.net/show/76855 strace |
| 19:21.09 | CcxN | http://bpaste.net/show/76856 chroot script |
| 19:25.03 | CcxN | do I need specific pulse version? |
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| 20:47.31 | kerio | timeless: you worked on microb, right? do you still remember things about it? |
| 20:47.49 | timeless | yes |
| 20:48.15 | kerio | what about the rtcom/browserd interaction? |
| 20:49.15 | kerio | my conversations in Conversations are shown with a scrollbar, the kind that has buttons and a slider |
| 20:49.24 | kerio | and dragging selects text instead of scrolling |
| 20:49.37 | kerio | and i don't even remotely know what could've caused it or how to debug it |
| 20:51.23 | timeless | iirc they chose to have a different mode |
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| 20:52.24 | kerio | hrmpf |
| 20:56.29 | Macer | anybody here use tracphone? |
| 21:01.38 | kerio | to be fair, it's probably my fault |
| 21:01.42 | kerio | but it happened to other people too |
| 21:03.42 | kerio | timeless: does this look familiar? https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=3175 |
| 21:03.54 | kerio | the scrollbar on the right |
| 21:04.57 | timeless | yes |
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| 21:10.54 | kerio | \o/ |
| 21:11.05 | kerio | we have our easily-tabcompletable guru back! |
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| 21:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | hi fans |
| 21:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 21:14.25 | timeless | i can't remember too many of the details |
| 21:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | oh, hi timeless |
| 21:14.36 | timeless | sp3000 (who isn't around anymore) may remember better |
| 21:14.44 | timeless | unfortunately, my n900 screen died a bit ago |
| 21:15.53 | kerio | timeless: :( |
| 21:16.09 | kerio | the thing is, i could try to bisect my backups |
| 21:16.13 | kerio | but i don't know when it started happening |
| 21:16.22 | kerio | (i don't really check my messages that often) |
| 21:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | dang, this $HOME on laptop been 88GB |
| 21:17.15 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: did you put your home on the ssd? |
| 21:17.21 | DocScrutinizer | copying, ETA 3:20 |
| 21:17.28 | DocScrutinizer | nopre |
| 21:17.58 | DocScrutinizer | in my book a SSD is for read-mostly |
| 21:18.34 | kerio | ...your ssd has like 30000 4k writes per second |
| 21:19.12 | kerio | if it wasn't a pain in the ass, i'd only use my mechanical drive for "long-term" storage of big things |
| 21:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | whatever, bottleneck is either the 2.5" HDD of laptop, or the USB adapter |
| 21:19.47 | kerio | hm, why didn't you mount the hd inside? |
| 21:20.08 | DocScrutinizer | I didn't feel like |
| 21:20.26 | kerio | but... moar storage! |
| 21:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | meh, I want to eventually fix the T500 fan |
| 21:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | I got another 2TB disk here |
| 21:21.10 | DocScrutinizer | for backup |
| 21:21.24 | DocScrutinizer | completely empty yet |
| 21:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | nooooow, what been the really important channels to join? |
| 21:23.43 | DocScrutinizer | Time: 0:17.37 ETA 1:55.01 (11.31 MB/s) │ │ │ |
| 21:24.09 | kerio | 11? wtf |
| 21:24.18 | kerio | i get more from my crappy self-made NAS |
| 21:24.23 | DocScrutinizer | :shrug: prolly lots of small files |
| 21:24.35 | DocScrutinizer | the disk is singing ;-) |
| 21:25.24 | kerio | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmfHHLfbjNQ |
| 21:25.48 | kerio | hard drive speakers at 1:40 in, but the whole song is beautiful |
| 21:26.26 | DocScrutinizer | 250k of 830k files copied |
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| 21:30.14 | DocScrutinizer | meh, the FF doesn't play video, just audio |
| 21:30.35 | kerio | no flash player? |
| 21:34.16 | DocScrutinizer | FUUUUUUUUUCK! .xsession-errors 33.8GB |
| 21:34.23 | kerio | hahahahahahaha |
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| 21:39.51 | DocScrutinizer | at least this allowed for a semi-decent transfer rate: 34MB/s |
| 21:44.15 | merlin1991 | I feel like im slowly getting retardet, but 100 MegaBit to KilyByte is x 1024 / 8 right? |
| 21:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | (flash) another 450 packages to install as dependencies and 470 updates, in system update. One of them is flashplayer |
| 21:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | 100Mbit ~= 10MB |
| 21:45.09 | merlin1991 | wtf |
| 21:45.25 | merlin1991 | flash on debian is only like 5 packages |
| 21:45.39 | DocScrutinizer | nah, global system update |
| 21:46.06 | DocScrutinizer | "findutils: make find by inode work again" etc pp |
| 21:46.57 | merlin1991 | was at least my mental process right? (bit toy byte divide by 8 and mega to kilo multiply by 1024) |
| 21:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | I rather wonder WTF to do with 33GB of .xsession-error |
| 21:47.07 | kerio | merlin1991: yeah |
| 21:47.14 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: it could be important! read it all! |
| 21:47.21 | DocScrutinizer | I might read it til the end of my life |
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| 21:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | or do a performance test of this PC, using sort and uniq |
| 21:48.17 | DocScrutinizer | might need more swap ;-P |
| 21:49.15 | DocScrutinizer | or I use COBOL sort, it can jandle such monsters easily |
| 21:49.27 | DocScrutinizer | handle* |
| 21:49.43 | kerio | the latest message is probably "argh, my balls are on fire" |
| 21:50.01 | merlin1991 | kerio: nah http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 21:50.09 | kerio | poor t500 :( |
| 21:50.26 | merlin1991 | but when it's cold, I always use sort + uniq on huge files to warm my fingers! |
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| 21:50.39 | kerio | has his fans locked at 6000rpm |
| 21:50.46 | kerio | and it's still kinda hot |
| 21:51.09 | DocScrutinizer | rotfl |
| 21:51.24 | kerio | there's probably a lot of dust |
| 21:51.31 | kerio | but really, crappy air flow :s |
| 21:51.38 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 21:51.46 | merlin1991 | hm fans at 1300 rpm, and temp is ~40 on cpu and gpu |
| 21:51.57 | merlin1991 | kerio: you're doing something wrong ;) |
| 21:51.59 | DocScrutinizer | T500??? |
| 21:52.25 | kerio | not to mention, if i don't lock the fans at 6000, the temp reported by... the cpu, i think? gets higher than 100°C |
| 21:52.39 | kerio | but apparently osx is ok with that |
| 21:52.45 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 21:53.08 | merlin1991 | hm I guess the main reason for my cool case is the 240mm fan it has on the top :D |
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| 21:53.25 | kerio | my whole computer is thinner than that :s |
| 21:53.58 | merlin1991 | it's nice and quiet and keeps my quad core at decent temperatures :) |
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| 22:02.28 | merlin1991 | hm wondering what my upload is on hetzner so I can limit the http server to decent rates, any ideas how to test the upload (i only have this one server) |
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| 22:14.35 | DocScrutinizer | oooh FSCK! syslog [kernel] journal commit IO-error |
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| 22:19.38 | xes | IO error... bad news... |
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| 22:39.25 | merlin1991 | hm time to break my system |
| 22:39.31 | merlin1991 | apt-get dist-upgrade on debian testing |
| 22:41.09 | sixwheeledbeast | what, 100 degrees? That can't be good long term. |
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| 22:41.46 | kerio | right now it's 47 |
| 22:41.46 | teotwaki | my core duo laptop (old, 6 years) goes over a 100 every evening. |
| 22:41.48 | kerio | with max fans |
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| 22:42.39 | teotwaki | granted, I use it in bed, resting on the covers, so it must be full of dust and nicotine, and covers don't usually provide good airflow. |
| 22:42.51 | kerio | +1 -nicotine |
| 22:43.09 | teotwaki | also... |
| 22:43.14 | teotwaki | I'm kind of hoping it dies |
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| 22:43.28 | teotwaki | Just so I have an excuse to buy a new fancy one :) |
| 22:43.34 | teotwaki | xes: fix your interwebs. |
| 22:44.02 | xes | :) |
| 22:45.27 | sixwheeledbeast | I wouldn't be happy with >40 odd degrees long term. |
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| 22:51.34 | xes | teotwaki: i was testing an xchat build inside my n900... not so bad, not so good |
| 22:52.45 | DocScrutinizer | k, remount ro might help with this journal write IO error |
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| 22:52.58 | raandoom | hello |
| 22:53.53 | raandoom | does someone has jebba's kernel? from here http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Kernel |
| 22:54.30 | xes | DocScrutinizer: how is going the "resurrection" of your pc? |
| 22:54.46 | raandoom | i cant download it from his site, because site is down |
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| 22:57.32 | DocScrutinizer | installing on new minitower I5 worked fine, now copying old $HOME ober from laptop HDD |
| 22:58.18 | DocScrutinizer | mail will get harder, since kmail2 is unusable, need to install kdepim3 |
| 22:59.28 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: just use mutt like real men do |
| 22:59.34 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 22:59.47 | kerio | also, give us some benchmarks! |
| 22:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | telnet and hexeditor |
| 23:00.23 | DocScrutinizer | benchmark of what? |
| 23:01.27 | xes | nice! So the old one was completely dead... What have you bought? bench? hdparm! |
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| 23:02.57 | DocScrutinizer | xes: don' have my environment, user, bookmarks here yet. So probably best is you look chanlog for what I bought |
| 23:03.43 | DocScrutinizer | kkcomputer.de BS-07HD+SSD |
| 23:04.12 | DocScrutinizer | old one was completely fine, except the fan not spinning |
| 23:04.39 | eccerr0r | darn those seized fans... |
| 23:05.01 | DocScrutinizer | for a T500 that's a severe problem |
| 23:05.33 | eccerr0r | had a psu fan seize, and the psu fried... luckily was repairable... |
| 23:06.01 | xes | ohne os... good choice! |
| 23:06.23 | eccerr0r | I'm playing dice, I oiled the fan's bearings and replaced the cooked inductor and capacitors... someday I'll put in a new fan... |
| 23:08.20 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not watching this roulette now anymore, ETA for copy again at 1:16, I'm afk for a beer |
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| 23:10.48 | DocScrutinizer | I hope this time - since disk is mounted ro - it won't cause knotify spam my screen with 300MB worth of notfiers saying "syslog [kernel] writing journal IO error" |
| 23:10.59 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: nope |
| 23:11.07 | kerio | mounting ext4 ro will still write |
| 23:11.11 | xes | psu... there is an easy way to forget that every pc requires a psu. Buy a Fsp psu (MTBF 100K hours!!) |
| 23:11.26 | kerio | you have to mount it with either noload or nojournal, can't remember which |
| 23:11.29 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: WUT? |
| 23:11.40 | kerio | read-only is for the user side only |
| 23:11.49 | kerio | it'll still replay the journal to fix inconsistencies |
| 23:11.53 | DocScrutinizer | DAFAQ! |
| 23:12.23 | kerio | don't complain to me, read the fine manual instead! :P |
| 23:12.52 | DocScrutinizer | well, it didn't replay journal on mounting, I just don't want it to update atimes of 500k files |
| 23:13.03 | kerio | y u no noatime |
| 23:13.20 | DocScrutinizer | since ro should imply noatime |
| 23:13.23 | kerio | i wonder if there's a sysctl to disable atime everywhere |
| 23:13.35 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: oh, it most definetely does |
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| 23:35.24 | DocScrutinizer | meh, ~50% done |
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| 23:38.21 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 23:38.21 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee |
| 23:38.30 | xes | DocScrutinizer: i wish that the disk is not a seagate. In the latest months their firmware have more bugs than bytes |
| 23:39.47 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think it is seagate,not sure though |
| 23:42.27 | DocScrutinizer | SST9500325AS |
| 23:42.45 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like seagate |
| 23:42.48 | kerio | yep |
| 23:43.25 | xes | :( |
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| 23:44.24 | DocScrutinizer | Model: "TOSHIBA DT01ACA1" |
| 23:44.41 | DocScrutinizer | the sst is the T500 disk I'm just copying from |
| 23:45.16 | xes | ah....is this the source of io errors?? |
| 23:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | basically yes |
| 23:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | I guess it had a large journal with all the atimes |
| 23:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | now it's mounted ro |
| 23:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | and there's that cheap USB<->SATA adaper in between |
| 23:48.00 | xes | i have fixed most of segate disks with a firmware update... without that updates, read errors, heads "clicks" and then....not detected |
| 23:48.43 | jacekowski | there is a way to block writes to any device on linux |
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| 23:50.30 | DocScrutinizer | damn, EAT counting up instead down |
| 23:50.35 | DocScrutinizer | ETA* |
| 23:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | 1:40 \o/ |
| 23:51.13 | DocScrutinizer | 1:40.30 |
| 23:51.30 | DocScrutinizer | 1:41 |
| 23:51.42 | xes | another warning... usb-sata adapter fix trasfer errors with some kind of crc correction ... that often fails (generating different files! ) |
| 23:52.12 | DocScrutinizer | 1:42 |
| 23:52.42 | DocScrutinizer | oh fsck |
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| 23:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | 1:43 |
| 23:53.35 | DocScrutinizer | 1:44 MEH! |
| 23:58.05 | DocScrutinizer | Time: 1:08.51 ETA 1:50.26 (8.36 MB/s) |
