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| 03:27.18 | neofytos | hi |
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| 03:56.28 | Ken-Young | When one uses "Easy Debian" on Maemo 5, are any of the bash initialization scripts run? Either /etc/profile nor ~/.bashrc seems to be executed. |
| 03:57.03 | Ken-Young | Ooops - I meant "Neither /etc/profile nor ~/.bashrc ... |
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| 04:20.32 | Ken-Young | Nevermind my question about Easy Debian. I found the answer. |
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| 06:53.19 | Macer | well |
| 06:53.31 | Macer | say what you want about symbian but it is awesome |
| 06:53.42 | Macer | still miss maemo but this e7 is great |
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| 07:06.19 | louigi | hey fellas! My N900 touch screen seems to be broken - no LED lights even. Is there a way to boot into the phone using a keyboard so that I can get past the date setting screens? |
| 07:11.11 | robbiethe1st | Sadly, no |
| 07:11.33 | robbiethe1st | You might be able to flash the rootfs with an image with BackupMenu in it |
| 07:11.50 | robbiethe1st | so you can then use the keyboard, get into that, and use USB Mass Storage to copy your files off |
| 07:12.03 | robbiethe1st | Alternately, go on ebay and get a new screen |
| 07:12.07 | robbiethe1st | Pretty cheap |
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| 07:14.45 | louigi | robbiethe1st, would I be able to install it myself? |
| 07:14.51 | louigi | the screen |
| 07:14.55 | robbiethe1st | Yeah |
| 07:15.11 | louigi | robbiethe1st, thx, I guess this is what I will do. |
| 07:15.16 | robbiethe1st | Well, lets see. You're going to need to get yourself a small set of screwdrivers - Torx and philips |
| 07:15.28 | robbiethe1st | Where are you in the world? |
| 07:15.36 | louigi | robbiethe1st, russia |
| 07:15.36 | Ken-Young | robbiethe1st, Your BackupMenu has saved my butt many times. Thanks so much for producing that! |
| 07:15.58 | louigi | robbiethe1st, I am afraid I did not install BackupMenu when the screen worl=ked |
| 07:16.32 | robbiethe1st | louigi, if you need your files, it's possible to install that flashable rootfs image I made, but you'll lose your programs. |
| 07:16.38 | robbiethe1st | (when you try to recover) |
| 07:16.54 | louigi | robbiethe1st, this is fine. What I need is contacts and files only |
| 07:17.02 | louigi | but |
| 07:17.11 | louigi | if I change the screen, I can keep everything, yes? |
| 07:17.16 | robbiethe1st | Yup |
| 07:17.25 | louigi | robbiethe1st, then I probably should buy the screen |
| 07:17.41 | robbiethe1st | One option would be to just find a broken N900 with a good screen; then it's just four screws and about 2 minutes |
| 07:17.53 | robbiethe1st | And swap out the entire top slider part |
| 07:18.01 | louigi | robbiethe1st, I have a N900 prototype actually |
| 07:18.03 | robbiethe1st | Otherwise, it's the touchscreen that's broken, right? |
| 07:18.06 | louigi | maybe I can use that |
| 07:18.17 | robbiethe1st | Yeah, that might work |
| 07:18.18 | louigi | robbiethe1st, you know, it died unexpectedly |
| 07:18.31 | louigi | suddenly, it went black and no LED lights |
| 07:18.49 | robbiethe1st | Huh, not a battery issue? |
| 07:18.50 | louigi | the phone seems to work, keyboard lights up, but the screen block shows no signs of life |
| 07:18.53 | louigi | nope |
| 07:18.59 | robbiethe1st | Hm, possibly a cable issue then |
| 07:19.05 | louigi | this is what I thought |
| 07:19.23 | robbiethe1st | Have you tried aiming a flashlight at the screen right close, see if it's just the backlight? |
| 07:19.32 | louigi | did not try |
| 07:19.34 | louigi | can do it now |
| 07:20.49 | robbiethe1st | It |
| 07:20.56 | robbiethe1st | It's something you can do on all LCDs |
| 07:21.01 | louigi | nope, nothing |
| 07:21.08 | robbiethe1st | you're looking for changes in reflection |
| 07:21.08 | louigi | plus, the LED lights would work then |
| 07:21.13 | robbiethe1st | Yeah, probably cable then |
| 07:21.59 | louigi | robbiethe1st, well, will use the prototype screen |
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| 07:22.12 | louigi | this way I can actually make a backup of everything |
| 07:22.13 | robbiethe1st | You'll need just a tiny philips for that |
| 07:22.22 | louigi | yup |
| 07:22.34 | louigi | any tutorial on changing the screen on the web you'd recommend? |
| 07:22.43 | louigi | I do see the srews here... |
| 07:22.58 | robbiethe1st | There's a good guide, DocS should know |
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| 07:24.09 | louigi | robbiethe1st, thanks for you advice, man, I feel better now! It was not a pleasant thing, this screen thing! |
| 07:24.37 | robbiethe1st | NP |
| 07:24.53 | robbiethe1st | I also suggest getting a backup device. At $200, why not? |
| 07:26.12 | louigi | robbiethe1st, what's that? |
| 07:26.21 | robbiethe1st | Another N900 |
| 07:26.23 | robbiethe1st | I mean |
| 07:26.28 | robbiethe1st | A spare |
| 07:26.28 | louigi | robbiethe1st, ha, I got one |
| 07:26.45 | robbiethe1st | Then, take backups once in a while, keep em on your PC |
| 07:26.56 | robbiethe1st | sopmething fails, restore to backup N900, away you go |
| 07:26.57 | louigi | I worked in Nokia for several years and managed to get my hands on 1 proto and 2 priduction devices |
| 07:27.06 | louigi | robbiethe1st, right |
| 07:27.16 | louigi | it's just I did not know it can fail so suddenly |
| 07:27.59 | robbiethe1st | Likely just a cable I think |
| 07:28.12 | robbiethe1st | Also, Nice! |
| 07:28.25 | robbiethe1st | Usually what happens, though, is your USB port comes off |
| 07:28.46 | robbiethe1st | Not fun to backup once that happens - wifi copying takes ages and tons of power |
| 07:29.18 | robbiethe1st | Anyway, I'm off. Cya all later. |
| 07:31.55 | Ken-Young | Is there anyone around who is familiar with Easy Debian on the N900? |
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| 07:43.57 | Macer | so |
| 07:44.11 | Macer | nokia finally pulled the plug on maemo.org huh? |
| 07:44.26 | Macer | amazing it lasted that long lol |
| 07:45.13 | Macer | at least they are allowing the dns entry |
| 07:45.25 | Macer | i'm surprised they are doing that as well |
| 07:46.08 | Ken-Young | Macer Most of maemo.org seems to have survived well. |
| 07:46.25 | Macer | heh |
| 07:46.34 | Macer | we will see for how long |
| 07:47.03 | Macer | history dictates when a big company doesnt back something... it usually doesnt last very long |
| 07:47.09 | Ken-Young | Oh ye of little faith... |
| 07:47.39 | Macer | plus council members wont be getting free nokia hardware anymore :) |
| 07:47.40 | Macer | lol |
| 07:48.00 | Ken-Young | THere's still a fairly active Openmoko community. |
| 07:48.23 | Luke-Jr | Ken-Young: you don't know Macer too well, eh? |
| 07:48.31 | Macer | the maemo community was awesome in its prime |
| 07:48.35 | Luke-Jr | (not that he's wrong in this case..) |
| 07:48.36 | Macer | luke! |
| 07:48.44 | Macer | how are things? |
| 07:48.46 | Luke-Jr | ok |
| 07:49.17 | Ken-Young | Luke-Jr, Nope, I'm afraid I don't know him. |
| 07:49.18 | Macer | think i will wipe my broken modem n900 and ebay it heh |
| 07:49.47 | Macer | Luke-Jr: got an e7 and it is actually pretty awesome |
| 07:49.53 | Luke-Jr | no way |
| 07:50.11 | Macer | went retro heh |
| 07:50.49 | Luke-Jr | Macer: did you see my tonal wristwatch? |
| 07:50.55 | Macer | miss maemo but symbian is actually a good alternative. it looks like maemo sans xterm and like.... linux heh |
| 07:51.08 | Luke-Jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/pics/20130209_004-small.jpg |
| 07:51.09 | Macer | no |
| 07:51.32 | Macer | not found |
| 07:51.37 | Luke-Jr | lies |
| 07:52.16 | Macer | oh |
| 07:52.44 | Macer | my bad.. url detection put an extra bit at the end |
| 07:53.07 | Macer | does it run an omap3? |
| 07:53.10 | Luke-Jr | no |
| 07:53.11 | Macer | :) |
| 07:53.15 | Luke-Jr | omap3 eats way too much power |
| 07:53.22 | Luke-Jr | this thing will run over a year on a single charge |
| 07:53.33 | Macer | it charges? |
| 07:53.43 | Macer | what else does it do? death ray? |
| 07:53.47 | Luke-Jr | no, it doesn't charge. |
| 07:53.50 | Luke-Jr | but that's besides the point |
| 07:54.16 | Macer | i dont know what makes it special |
| 07:54.26 | Macer | looks like a typical old digital watch |
| 07:54.42 | Luke-Jr | the time is in tonal, n00b |
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| 08:01.30 | Macer | whatever floats your boat haha |
| 08:04.18 | Macer | but yeah. i doubt maemo.org will have the money support |
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| 08:28.42 | jacekowski | Luke-Jr: metawatch is much better |
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| 08:28.46 | jacekowski | Luke-Jr: bluetooth and other stuff |
| 08:29.31 | Luke-Jr | jacekowski: and crappy battery life |
| 08:29.34 | Luke-Jr | and IIRC non-free too |
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| 08:29.48 | jacekowski | free |
| 08:30.01 | jacekowski | and battery lasts for few days |
| 08:30.03 | Luke-Jr | not to mention 4x the price |
| 08:30.07 | Luke-Jr | days lol |
| 08:30.15 | Luke-Jr | I want my wristwatch to go over a year. |
| 08:30.20 | jacekowski | well, bluetooth uses a lot of power |
| 08:30.30 | Luke-Jr | and who needs bluetooth in a watch |
| 08:30.55 | jacekowski | well then what's the point of that other watch |
| 08:31.00 | jacekowski | chronos |
| 08:31.14 | jacekowski | if it only has to show time |
| 08:35.36 | Luke-Jr | jacekowski: that's the point |
| 08:35.38 | Luke-Jr | to show time |
| 08:35.52 | jacekowski | then you may as well get £1 chinese watch |
| 08:35.57 | jacekowski | those last ages on single charge |
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| 09:19.05 | kerio | this morning my n900 was drained dry :s |
| 09:19.42 | kerio | i reckon it was my router rebooting, and the wifi not figuring it out properly |
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| 09:24.06 | engblom | is syncing his broken n900 with a computer. He feels relieved that he gets everything out from it. |
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| 09:38.58 | kerio | feels disappointed |
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| 09:55.43 | Macer | kerio: im sure it was some design flaw where the battery surged and shorted it |
| 09:55.56 | kerio | ? |
| 09:56.03 | kerio | why? |
| 09:56.05 | Macer | because of a loose usb port |
| 09:56.08 | Macer | heh |
| 09:56.11 | Macer | im joking |
| 09:56.16 | kerio | no, it wasn't charging |
| 09:56.37 | kerio | i got a bit scared this morning, it gave no signs of life |
| 09:57.03 | Macer | did it come back? |
| 09:57.04 | kerio | 5 seconds in flatbat recovery were enough |
| 09:57.05 | kerio | :) |
| 09:57.09 | Macer | look at batttery eye |
| 09:57.37 | Macer | a d see how the graph dropped |
| 09:57.40 | Macer | and |
| 09:58.00 | kerio | i have no logs at all |
| 09:58.36 | Macer | oh |
| 09:58.40 | Macer | weird |
| 09:58.46 | kerio | nah |
| 09:58.59 | Macer | i havent used my n900 in quite a while |
| 09:59.00 | kerio | logs are annoying |
| 09:59.06 | Macer | going to sell it if i can |
| 09:59.15 | Macer | modem doesnt work |
| 09:59.18 | kerio | hm |
| 09:59.18 | kerio | where? |
| 09:59.31 | Macer | where? |
| 09:59.35 | kerio | geographically |
| 09:59.36 | Macer | im in chicago |
| 09:59.41 | kerio | hm |
| 09:59.59 | Macer | screen might be worth something |
| 10:00.03 | kerio | if it was europe, there was the option of the Doc's N900 Dump |
| 10:00.08 | Macer | minus the modem it works fine |
| 10:00.37 | Macer | i would still be using it if it didnt break |
| 10:00.42 | Macer | it is my second one |
| 10:00.47 | kerio | so buy a third! |
| 10:00.53 | Macer | first one had the usb fall off |
| 10:00.55 | Macer | no thanks |
| 10:01.09 | Macer | first shame on you, second shame on me |
| 10:01.09 | kerio | grab the second's usb port and put it in the first |
| 10:01.30 | Macer | i sold the first for parts |
| 10:01.34 | Macer | heh |
| 10:01.59 | Macer | screen took 1 day to sell |
| 10:02.08 | Macer | guess they break often too |
| 10:02.14 | kerio | nah |
| 10:02.17 | Macer | talk about a shoddy device |
| 10:02.20 | Macer | :) |
| 10:02.31 | kerio | it's just that there aren't a lot of n900s around |
| 10:02.33 | Macer | modems usb ports heh |
| 10:02.44 | kerio | those are the only two common problems, really |
| 10:02.47 | Macer | enough for them to cost $200 |
| 10:02.51 | Macer | or less heh |
| 10:03.03 | Macer | im rocking an e7 now |
| 10:03.05 | kerio | i bought a new one for 150 |
| 10:03.06 | Macer | its great |
| 10:03.08 | kerio | € |
| 10:03.12 | kerio | the e7 is a phone |
| 10:03.26 | Macer | so is the n900 lol |
| 10:03.47 | Macer | dont know why people think it is different ;) |
| 10:03.52 | Macer | because it has a term |
| 10:04.10 | Macer | if android had a term userland it would be just as good |
| 10:04.17 | kerio | it does |
| 10:04.21 | kerio | and it's crap |
| 10:04.23 | Macer | minimal |
| 10:04.25 | kerio | because it's a phone |
| 10:04.40 | Macer | but that isnt androids fault |
| 10:04.44 | Macer | it can be done |
| 10:04.52 | Macer | nobody wants to do it |
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| 10:05.30 | Macer | if android had a robust userland for the term it would probably be better than maemo |
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| 10:05.42 | Macer | considering the ui is actively developed |
| 10:05.44 | kerio | and if it used x11 |
| 10:05.53 | kerio | and common graphical toolkits like gtk and qt |
| 10:05.54 | Macer | x11 could be added |
| 10:06.04 | kerio | and had an actual connection manager |
| 10:06.10 | Macer | x11 is overrated tho |
| 10:06.11 | kerio | and a physical keyboard |
| 10:06.17 | Macer | old arch |
| 10:06.21 | kerio | yep, android would be better than maemo if it was maemo |
| 10:06.26 | Macer | haha |
| 10:06.47 | Macer | i dunno.. the ui is obviously better than hildon |
| 10:06.56 | Macer | maybe if maemo had a new ui |
| 10:07.19 | kerio | you'll have to pry hildon from my cold dead hands |
| 10:07.30 | Macer | but nobody really ever managed to make a good alternative |
| 10:07.38 | Macer | because of the closed sections |
| 10:08.12 | Macer | and lack of real development support from nokia and co |
| 10:08.57 | Macer | what made maemo special wasnt the ui.. it was the linux userland |
| 10:09.14 | Macer | add that to android and an xserver and youre done :) |
| 10:09.39 | Macer | i think there already is an xserver if i am not mistaken |
| 10:09.49 | Macer | either way.. mobile ubuntu coming soon |
| 10:09.53 | Macer | good stuff |
| 10:09.54 | kerio | android has no concept of windows |
| 10:10.14 | Macer | neither does hildon other than a task manager |
| 10:10.21 | kerio | hildon *is* a windowmanager |
| 10:10.30 | Macer | in a way i suppose |
| 10:10.33 | kerio | that's like saying that xmonad doesn't have a concept of windows except for tiles |
| 10:10.41 | Macer | inasmuch it can close windows |
| 10:10.52 | Macer | but nowadays so can android |
| 10:11.02 | Macer | its task manager closes windows |
| 10:11.10 | Macer | frees the ram |
| 10:11.36 | Macer | not that that matters on devices with 1GB+ physical ram |
| 10:12.09 | Macer | it isnt like hildon allows multiple windows to be displayed on the desktop to be moved and manipulated |
| 10:12.24 | kerio | neither does xmonad |
| 10:12.33 | Macer | which isnt practical on smaller devices anyways |
| 10:12.47 | Macer | so the android ui fulfills all the things maemo did |
| 10:13.07 | Macer | only thing missing is an xserver and apt which im shocked someone hasnt made yet |
| 10:13.18 | Macer | but ubuntu on mobile devices |
| 10:13.30 | Macer | you can already install it on stronger devices |
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| 10:13.47 | Macer | 100% functional using the same kernel android uses |
| 10:14.03 | Macer | no lame shit like voice calls or cams not working |
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| 10:15.05 | Macer | devices soon to come but i will believe it when i see it |
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| 10:20.03 | RST38h | Macer, let's wait until stuff materializes |
| 10:20.30 | RST38h | Hope you still remember that ARM-based netbook/tablet thing and how it ended up being a lemon |
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| 10:30.17 | kerio | lemons are sour! |
| 10:32.16 | thedead1440 | sour grapes anybody? :-p |
| 10:32.59 | jacekowski | RST38h: chromebook? |
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| 14:52.27 | infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 5d 22h 31m 35s ago, saying: 'merlin1991, ask also romaxa (on #maemo)'. |
| 14:52.36 | kerio | is he dead? D: |
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| 15:26.54 | freemangordon | qwazix: I am stuck :(. Cannot draw a simple rectangle usign GLES. Here is the code http://pastebin.com/CKyjhTP4. I expect it to draw a fullscreen rectangle. it draws on half-screen. any idea? |
| 15:27.17 | qwazix | let me see |
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| 15:30.18 | freemangordon | qwazix: if i use only 3 indices and GL_TRIANGLES, the correct triangle is drawn |
| 15:36.19 | qwazix | freemangordon, why do you have -1 in there? |
| 15:36.35 | qwazix | aren't those coordinates? |
| 15:37.02 | freemangordon | qwazix: yes, but in -1;1 space afaik |
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| 15:37.20 | qwazix | :nod: |
| 15:38.45 | qwazix | If the -1,1 space is true, your code seems correct |
| 15:38.55 | qwazix | what half of the screen do you get? |
| 15:39.11 | qwazix | split diagonallly? |
| 15:39.33 | freemangordon | no, over the x axis |
| 15:40.35 | freemangordon | oh, I think I fund it |
| 15:40.40 | freemangordon | *found |
| 15:40.50 | qwazix | What is it? |
| 15:40.50 | freemangordon | the second param to glVertexAttribPointer is wring |
| 15:40.51 | freemangordon | *wrong |
| 15:41.52 | qwazix | should be 3 probably |
| 15:42.01 | freemangordon | yes :D |
| 15:42.44 | qwazix | Why would one want a 4 dimensional vertex. Animation? |
| 15:43.01 | freemangordon | qwazix: noone wants it, it is a bug made by my :) |
| 15:43.45 | freemangordon | *me |
| 15:43.47 | qwazix | 4 is a valid value according to documentation, that's why I'm wondering what's the use of it |
| 15:43.57 | freemangordon | No idea |
| 15:45.18 | freemangordon | qwazix: ok, we have between 40-50 fps on TMO with HW accel and active stencil clip |
| 15:45.28 | qwazix | wow! |
| 15:45.45 | kerio | :D |
| 15:45.54 | kerio | but it's not 60... |
| 15:46.29 | qwazix | kerio even the Hobbit was shot at 48, don't be greedy |
| 15:46.41 | qwazix | :) |
| 15:47.25 | freemangordon | qwazix: 3d cube renders with 35fps |
| 15:47.40 | freemangordon | I guess that's enough for now |
| 15:48.04 | qwazix | More than enough. How's memory consumption? |
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| 15:50.33 | freemangordon | qwazix: 11908 11277 user S 58708 24.9 0.0 qmlMozEmbedTest -url talk.maemo.org |
| 15:51.39 | qwazix | Not bad at all! How did the UI manage to eat up so much ram still eludes me |
| 15:52.54 | freemangordon | not bad, deffinitely |
| 15:53.10 | freemangordon | ~256*25/100 |
| 15:53.10 | infobot | 64 |
| 15:53.23 | freemangordon | so, 64MB |
| 15:53.42 | freemangordon | is on my way home, bbl |
| 15:59.54 | Skry | midori, tmo, 11% |
| 16:02.22 | kerio | qwazix: that's stupid too |
| 16:02.52 | qwazix | kerio, 48fps? I was just joking |
| 16:03.10 | kerio | we're only stuck with these stupid framerates, with slow panning and motion-blur-up-the-arse because 60fps is associated with cheap sitcoms |
| 16:04.04 | qwazix | I think 48 is pretty ok, I doubt if you can detect the difference with 60 |
| 16:07.19 | kerio | you can definetely detect the differences with 120 |
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| 16:10.02 | kerio | (i'm not even sure 120fps video is a thing |
| 16:12.43 | kerio | but it should be) |
| 16:13.52 | qwazix | 120fps 4K 3D video would be ~64 times the size of a 1080p 24fps 2D movie today |
| 16:14.31 | qwazix | (less than 64 actually because compression is much more effective on large areas/timespans with almost the same data) |
| 16:15.11 | kerio | qwazix: so? these are movie theatres |
| 16:15.32 | qwazix | kerio, you've never downloaded a movie? |
| 16:15.43 | kerio | nice try, MPAA |
| 16:15.51 | qwazix | haha |
| 16:16.01 | qwazix | (from netflix :P) |
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| 16:21.13 | eichi | hello. I have a problem after the latest maemo update. The refreshing of the screen does not work without problems. After going to next desktop or opening, closing a application it looks like the device freeze but it works nice on functionality(touch, keyboard), but the optic freezes. |
| 16:21.26 | eichi | someone know this problem in the last days/weeks? |
| 16:21.43 | kerio | i had that once |
| 16:21.47 | kerio | try rebooting |
| 16:22.25 | eichi | okay |
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| 16:34.06 | freemangordon | Skry: HTML5? webgl? HTML5 video? |
| 16:34.33 | freemangordon | Skry: flash plugin? |
| 16:35.11 | kerio | eichi: still experiencing the same problem? |
| 16:35.27 | eichi | kerio, one moment ;) |
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| 16:37.24 | eichi | kerio, problem seems to be gone |
| 16:37.30 | eichi | thanks |
| 16:38.02 | kerio | eichi: the next time, you could also try rotating it in portrait and then in landscape |
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| 16:40.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~moo |
| 16:40.42 | infobot | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
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| 16:46.21 | Skry | freemangordon: no, just a useless non-accurate comparison, not running it on fremantle either so. anyway, html5 and html5 video yes, webgl and flash no, then there's adblock and some other extensions on. on the other hand, I tried gmail and tmo at the same time, swap off.. had to remove battery :P |
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| 16:47.36 | freemangordon | Skry: html5 video with HW acceleration through DSP? I doubt. though.. who knows :) |
| 16:49.07 | Skry | software |
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| 16:51.42 | Skry | though midori uses gstreamer so I guess h264 is possible, no idea of webm |
| 16:51.57 | Skry | dsp wise |
| 16:52.15 | freemangordon | now VPx DSP codecs :( |
| 16:52.34 | Skry | so i suspected :\ |
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| 17:39.12 | ShadowJK_ | so silly :( |
| 17:39.55 | kerio | what? |
| 17:40.02 | kerio | ~seen pali |
| 17:40.07 | infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 6d 1h 19m 15s ago, saying: 'merlin1991, ask also romaxa (on #maemo)'. |
| 17:40.14 | kerio | :( |
| 17:42.11 | Skry | don't worry, he's alive |
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| 17:53.16 | ShadowJK_ | in your dungeon? |
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| 18:08.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen sd69 |
| 18:08.07 | infobot | sd69 <ae64f0d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.100.240.216> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 41m 4s ago, saying: 'ok, cya'. |
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| 18:16.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | you all got a red papernose put on? |
| 18:16.46 | kerio | for what? |
| 18:17.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a lame excuse to get drunk and not contribute here ;o) |
| 18:17.33 | kerio | btw, razinger's gone |
| 18:17.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | byebye |
| 18:17.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | papa razzi |
| 18:18.08 | Skry | wat? getting drunk needs excuses now? |
| 18:18.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I need and can't find a decent excuse to get drunk rather than worry about migration mess |
| 18:19.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | also I feel somewhat fed up with paying shit from my own pocket |
| 18:19.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | (not the alcohol ;-P) |
| 18:20.53 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: <3 |
| 18:20.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nemein offers to use cheap hosting for our server, but that cheap hosting happens to be an offer in Hamburg, so they ask for somebody to order and pay shipment. That's probably me again |
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| 18:21.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | since hoping for HiFo to pay for it is kinda... :o( |
| 18:21.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | (sad clown) |
| 18:21.59 | kerio | wait, what? |
| 18:22.18 | kerio | ffs, we have a budget for this reason |
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| 18:22.40 | Skry | exactly |
| 18:22.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but we also have a board that needs to meet officially to allow one of their member to fart |
| 18:23.06 | kerio | if time's the issue then, if it's not a problem, pay and then get a refund afterwards |
| 18:23.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll try that |
| 18:24.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | shipping needs to get done today or tomorrow, for sure this week, or we're screwed |
| 18:24.22 | kerio | seriously though, why should be people donating then? |
| 18:24.23 | kerio | like, what for? |
| 18:25.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the worst thing, none of HiFo usually available online, always sending mails which is a time consuming and annoying thing to do |
| 18:25.57 | kerio | it's weird, i thought old people preferred emails |
| 18:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 18:26.09 | kerio | :P |
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| 18:27.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I feel like a circus director of a floyd zoo, trying to make the rabbits do tricks by sending around emails |
| 18:28.03 | kerio | http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ecb2/ |
| 18:28.07 | kerio | smarter than a HiFo board member! |
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| 18:30.20 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, can't we muster up the shipping costs here so that you don't have to pay it all? I can contribute about 30eur right now. I know it's a little but bit by bit... |
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| 18:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: when I get enaough donations, I could tell HiFo "already paid for, no I don't need any money from you to proceed", which for sure would speed up things |
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| 18:32.26 | qwazix | We need about 300 isn't it? |
| 18:32.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | also I need somebody savvy with sending around servers/IT |
| 18:32.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably yes, around that much |
| 18:32.47 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: warfare? |
| 18:33.05 | kerio | possibly xes, too |
| 18:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I lost contact to him ~4h ago |
| 18:33.09 | kerio | :< |
| 18:33.17 | kerio | warfare: shipment ping |
| 18:33.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe he has a life? :-o |
| 18:33.26 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, going to tmo I suppose isn't an option, we'll start a war... |
| 18:33.31 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: don't be silly now |
| 18:33.46 | qwazix | He said he's got a meeting no? |
| 18:33.46 | Skry | is it legal to ship booze in EU? :D |
| 18:34.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: yes, for an hour, and he reported to be back |
| 18:34.20 | qwazix | ah, missed that |
| 18:34.23 | kerio | Skry: just hide it in a server |
| 18:34.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-11 16:08:36] <warfare> mashiara, aslani: I'm back. Any more questions? |
| 18:34.37 | qwazix | :nod: |
| 18:34.48 | Skry | kerio: was actually thinking about that :D |
| 18:35.01 | Skry | I'd love to buy Doc some booze for thanks |
| 18:35.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Skry: afaik you can ship all the booze you like in EU |
| 18:35.30 | kerio | Skry: you could send him some bitcoins |
| 18:35.35 | kerio | that he can use to buy drugs |
| 18:35.49 | Skry | same thing |
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| 18:36.38 | qwazix | anybody else here can chip in to move the server? |
| 18:36.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, either way I turn it, I have to talk to HiFo first |
| 18:37.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm really not eager to hear about 2rogue decisions" and "if you don't cooperate, we will have this discussion with somebody else" again |
| 18:39.01 | wirr | qwazix, of course. the sooner the better. 50 bucks |
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| 18:39.17 | qwazix | They're going to end up talking to the wall |
| 18:39.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | and to make matters worse, I have to ask them for their *opinion*, which is something they obviously had to promise never to disclose |
| 18:39.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: when's the next board election? |
| 18:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | in ~10 months? |
| 18:40.03 | kerio | sucks ._. |
| 18:40.19 | qwazix | kerio, bad thing is that with the duties board has, no sane person would ever want to be there |
| 18:40.25 | warfare | kerio: pong ;) |
| 18:40.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | YAY!! |
| 18:40.40 | warfare | actually I have a life. At least I like to think so. |
| 18:40.40 | kerio | knows ping-fu |
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| 18:41.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: you got the "contract" of IPHH? |
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| 18:41.52 | warfare | not yet. |
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| 18:42.21 | kerio | warfare: any experience in shipping servers? |
| 18:42.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could offer *nemein* some cheap CoLo in HH? |
| 18:43.11 | warfare | kerio: yes, I did move 2 datacenters from Hamburg to Frankfurt. |
| 18:43.34 | kerio | warfare: any experience in shipping just a handful of servers? :) |
| 18:43.38 | warfare | DocScrutinizer05: err, what? So nemein can rent the colo and bill nokia for it? |
| 18:44.14 | warfare | kerio: sure :) If you have the original packing, you just give them to UPS or DHL and they usually deliver it. |
| 18:44.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | No, Nemein using the CoLo as long as HiFo is blocked to sign contracts, due to missing contract with Nokia |
| 18:45.05 | warfare | I think I will have a longer phone call with Sascha tomorrow. |
| 18:45.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, probably HiFo could accept the contract with IPHH anyway, but that will also take until end of week |
| 18:45.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | we need to ship the server *now* |
| 18:46.14 | warfare | I don't see a problem that nemein is using the colo and contract with hifo will be signed later. |
| 18:46.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | not after HiFo managed to proofread and meet to agree on accepting and signing the contract with IPHH |
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| 18:46.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | SUPER! |
| 18:47.11 | warfare | After all, it's all for maemo. I don't think the iphh guys care, who *owns* the box. |
| 18:47.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | So I offer Nemein to pay for shipment, and Nemein picks cheapest CoLo they can find, on behalf and best interest of HiFo |
| 18:48.15 | warfare | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ5MA685ApE - the iphh guys also know how to move servers. |
| 18:48.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | when HiFo finally got legalese sorted, they can sign a contract with IPHH to continue the free hosting, and claim the server |
| 18:50.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | so this is a grassroot sysop conspiracy to allow cheap CoLo for maemo, under nemein as director with us sysops as executives |
| 18:51.02 | warfare | should be doable :) |
| 18:51.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | while HiFo can sit back and negotiate annoying stuff with Nokia |
| 18:51.43 | qwazix | warfare, impressive |
| 18:53.11 | kerio | warfare: hm, the change in network configuration still caused *some* hiccups, right? |
| 18:53.31 | warfare | They also made videos of crashing a Cisco 7500 (big, big router, think small fridge) down an underground car park. |
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| 18:53.46 | warfare | kerio: I didn't change anything network related yet. |
| 18:53.51 | warfare | except for repo. |
| 18:53.57 | kerio | i meant the guys in the video :) |
| 18:54.29 | warfare | kerio: ah :) probably 3g went away somewhere in the video ;) |
| 18:54.35 | warfare | s/video/underground/ |
| 18:54.40 | kerio | warfare: hm, i wasn't even thinking of that |
| 18:54.51 | kerio | i meant wired->3g and 3g->wired |
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| 18:55.42 | warfare | might have been a few seconds until routers got the new route. :) |
| 18:56.47 | kerio | anyway, i'm quite convinced that you're not supposed to move rotational drives around :> |
| 18:57.15 | qwazix | kerio, my laptop would be long dead if they had a problem with that |
| 18:57.21 | qwazix | (public transport) |
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| 19:01.53 | kerio | qwazix: when turned on? |
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| 19:10.07 | kerio | ~pali |
| 19:10.07 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ |
| 19:10.49 | qwazix | kerio, when used |
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| 19:11.21 | kerio | qwazix: my disk has protection against eccessive acceleration |
| 19:11.48 | qwazix | well, I haven't used it on a rollercoaster |
| 19:12.00 | qwazix | but on the train it's usually ok |
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| 19:24.53 | RST38h | What do I do with KEYEXPIRED message btw? |
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| 19:29.28 | kerio | RST38h: ignore it |
| 19:37.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: spinning HDD are sensitive to angular high acceleration since that ruins the disk stack's bearings |
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| 19:37.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | even higher linear acceleration causes headcrashs |
| 19:38.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | this linear g has to be in the range of hundreds though, to cause damage |
| 19:39.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | easily reached by hitting on hard surfaces (unless HDD is in a dampened mount) |
| 19:39.49 | kerio | hehe, i was about to say that |
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| 19:41.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically a HDD will survive a hard footkick, but not an impact of a glass marble from 5 inches height |
| 19:42.10 | kerio | wait, what? |
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| 19:49.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | (server shipping) if anybody wants to contribute, to facilitate Nemein shipping the servers to a free CoLo place, there's a donate button in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232 #1 that you can use for that. Since nobody donating for hostmode since 2 years, I'll consider all donations as meant for server shipping |
| 19:51.57 | M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: OK |
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| 19:53.05 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: try to not raise too much money there, though |
| 19:53.13 | kerio | the big money bank should still be hifo's |
| 19:53.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | any excess will get used for additional hw needed in the servers, and if there's still excess i will donate it to HiFo |
| 19:54.13 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i don't really like the current board, but i dislike paypal more :) |
| 19:54.16 | kerio | a lot more |
| 19:54.52 | M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: done |
| 19:54.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 19:55.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 19:55.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: all my experience tells me there won't be any excess money |
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| 19:55.40 | kerio | heh :( |
| 19:55.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | but maybe it saves me another week before going broke with paying shit from my own pocket |
| 19:57.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think H-E-N gathered 300 bucks during all the time it exists now |
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| 20:01.32 | qwazix | done |
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| 20:02.14 | qwazix | re HDD acceleration, I suppose that one trip with the bus won't damage anything |
| 20:04.21 | kerio | as long as the heads are parked, sure |
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| 20:06.56 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, are we there yet? :P |
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| 20:08.16 | qwazix | kerio, remember the N91? HDD in a phone :) |
| 20:08.35 | kerio | wait, what |
| 20:11.11 | qwazix | back when Nokia still did innovate. Some innovations were stupid ofc, but you have to flop once in a while |
| 20:12.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: yeah, already, for an uninsured package |
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| 20:13.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | insurance is ~1.5% iirc |
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| 20:38.56 | cehteh | is it possible to have a nitdroid chroot? |
| 20:42.13 | kerio | cehteh: eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew |
| 20:42.24 | cehteh | guessed so |
| 20:42.29 | kerio | no, don't get me wrong |
| 20:42.32 | kerio | i suppose that it's possible |
| 20:42.52 | cehteh | yes but prolly pain |
| 20:42.54 | kerio | yep |
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| 20:43.19 | kerio | android doesn't use x11 |
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| 20:43.34 | kerio | there's apkenv if you want something similar |
| 20:43.36 | cehteh | framebuffer? |
| 20:43.44 | cehteh | maybe i try that |
| 20:43.52 | kerio | it's meant to work with games though |
| 20:43.57 | kerio | not normal applications |
| 20:44.14 | cehteh | not anything useful :) |
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| 21:02.00 | omgmog | Hello, I was wondering if anybody knows where I can obtain the Maemo flasher 3.5 for Mac OS X.. The Nokia site doesn't seem to be loading at all |
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| 21:05.13 | kerio | ~skeiron |
| 21:05.13 | infobot | it has been said that skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 |
| 21:05.24 | wirr | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/ |
| 21:05.54 | omgmog | great, thanks both :) |
| 21:07.26 | omgmog | Now of course, that flasher seems to be PPC only! |
| 21:07.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf? |
| 21:07.37 | kerio | nope |
| 21:07.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: literal skeiron |
| 21:07.50 | infobot | "skeiron" is "the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143" |
| 21:07.53 | kerio | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.dmg |
| 21:08.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 |
| 21:08.29 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 21:08.50 | kerio | ...what changed? |
| 21:09.09 | kerio | oh, i see |
| 21:09.17 | omgmog | ah a bit of navigating around skeiron and I've found it, thanks :) |
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| 21:14.29 | sardini | hello you know where I can find madde for linux ? |
| 21:16.02 | qwazix | sardini, there's a torrent floating around because Nokia's website is down |
| 21:16.25 | sardini | thank you qwazix |
| 21:16.34 | qwazix | (the whole QtSdk, not only madde) |
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| 21:21.43 | Raimu | I'm gonna do the idiot thing again and ask about something that I was supposed to know... |
| 21:22.06 | Raimu | Which version of n900 Fennec is the most appropriate one for cssu-thumb now? 17-something? Which build? |
| 21:22.17 | kerio | Raimu: the one in the repo |
| 21:22.22 | Raimu | The alpha? |
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| 21:22.45 | kerio | well, there's just that one |
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| 21:23.38 | Raimu | I noticed there're some builds again in tmo threads like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88682 |
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| 21:24.03 | kerio | ooh, neat |
| 21:24.13 | Raimu | The 17 in that is the release version, not alpha, but dunno about potential debuffs in that build. |
| 21:25.00 | Raimu | So right now I'm not sure which one should be the go-to build. |
| 21:25.08 | kerio | well, that thread recommends 17 |
| 21:26.21 | Raimu | Yup. |
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| 21:50.56 | sixwheeledbeast | ~seen wirr |
| 21:51.07 | infobot | wirr is currently on #maemo (9h 1m 31s) #maemo-ssu (9h 1m 31s). Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 39m 3s, last said: 'ok, got it - fucked up my declarations'. |
| 21:51.59 | sixwheeledbeast | wirr: ping |
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| 22:01.59 | wirr | sixwheeledbeast, pong |
| 22:02.27 | sixwheeledbeast | hey did you have a look over the perfect n900 wiki? |
| 22:02.56 | wirr | sixwheeledbeast, not in depth, but I've noticed you've been working on it. and you left a message :-) |
| 22:04.24 | sixwheeledbeast | k :) I put the old page in discussion, as you spotted. |
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| 22:05.14 | wirr | I like what you've done with it, like pointing to existing, more detailed pages |
| 22:06.16 | sixwheeledbeast | wirr: good I'am glad you do. |
| 22:06.52 | wirr | one thing I'd like to do a little bit different though: Additionally of 'only' pointing to all different possible ways on how to do a certain thing, I'd like to include some kind of suggestion |
| 22:07.17 | wirr | because else one finds herself still having to crawl to the entire wiki |
| 22:07.34 | wirr | just to get a "basic" setup |
| 22:08.20 | sixwheeledbeast | which bits were you thinking of |
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| 22:08.37 | wirr | what would you think of introducing two or three categories, like "beginner", "expert" and such? and link to corresponding suggestions? |
| 22:08.44 | wirr | (bits) cssu for example |
| 22:09.08 | sixwheeledbeast | I have written it as "must do" "recommended" "advised" |
| 22:09.35 | sixwheeledbeast | ok well tbh it's needs that anyway |
| 22:10.03 | sixwheeledbeast | terminal stuff it's suppose to be in a "beginners" wiki |
| 22:10.13 | sixwheeledbeast | s/it's/isn't |
| 22:10.26 | wirr | ok. |
| 22:10.49 | sixwheeledbeast | :) |
| 22:11.35 | wirr | suggestion: I'll try to make a next iteration on next weekend and we'll put our heads together again afterwards? |
| 22:12.26 | sixwheeledbeast | k sounds good, feel free to use the discussion page too. |
| 22:13.14 | wirr | I'll do :-) |
| 22:13.33 | wirr | night! and thanks btw |
| 22:13.46 | sixwheeledbeast | gn! |
| 22:14.00 | sixwheeledbeast | anytime |
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| 22:35.57 | qwazix | what's the recommended way to install sdk? installer doesn't work |
| 22:36.44 | sardini | qwazix, sdk for ? |
| 22:37.58 | qwazix | maemo 5 |
| 22:38.20 | qwazix | Scratchbox (platform sdk) |
| 22:38.39 | kerio | qwazix: you could always use the VM image |
| 22:39.12 | sardini | If you are on windows I have madde and qtcreator old version, but on linux I have lost them |
| 22:39.28 | qwazix | I hate VM, I spent the 4 previous hours installing a new OS to a new partition just to avoid that... |
| 22:40.15 | sardini | Qtsdk-offline-win-x86-v1_2_1.exe and install-madde-0.7.48.exe |
| 22:40.27 | sardini | sorry for linux, I search the old madde too |
| 22:40.59 | qwazix | sardini, I got QtSdk, I need the Platform SDK, different thing |
| 22:41.34 | qwazix | Maybe this will help you http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7676109/ Don't know if it's safe though |
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| 23:10.05 | eccerr0r | my n900 takes almost overnight to charge... with the ac-10c even... this can't be normal? |
| 23:11.31 | eccerr0r | through usb port of a computer sometimes it seems like it's losing ground even... discharging despite in charging mode... |
| 23:13.32 | sardini | maybe usb is broken eccerr0r |
| 23:16.17 | Macer | i love this e7 |
| 23:16.19 | Macer | it's a beast |
| 23:16.23 | zl2tod | eccerr0r, try a new battery |
| 23:16.43 | Macer | someone pointed out something that i never noticed... nokia never really markets in the US lol |
| 23:17.16 | Macer | i think the only time i saw it is like... maybe in a movie or music video you'll catch a nokia every now and then |
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| 23:37.42 | eccerr0r | hmm..the usb still seems intact as it drains faster without it connected :o |
| 23:42.44 | kerio | eccerr0r: powertop |
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| 23:52.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn, offline (IT defect) |
| 23:53.45 | eccerr0r | is it possible to drain enough power such that the ac10c takes forever to charge? |
| 23:53.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | :´( |
| 23:54.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
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