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01:25.32trekkhi
01:25.44trekkrepos are up again - nice job guys
01:25.58trekksome repo give hash mismatch though ?
01:26.28trekkis this a known issue or ?
01:29.49MentalistTraceurtrekk: I'm not sure what you mean by hash mismatch; if you're referring to the expired key issue, that is known. But I don't recognize the term off the top of my head.
01:30.42MentalistTraceurAnyway, the person you want to thank specifically is warfare, as I understand it.
01:31.38MentalistTraceur(Not to be confused with warfaren, in this channel,
01:31.47MentalistTraceurwho I think is a different person)
01:32.34trekkno if i install a package i get the hash mismatch
01:32.41MentalistTraceurHmm...
01:32.57trekki deleted the apt list dir and reupdated
01:33.01trekkbut the same
01:33.21trekki.e telepathy-extras or telepathy-idle
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06:43.12DocScrutinizer06~botsnack
06:43.12infobotDocScrutinizer06: thanks
06:53.16ShadowXGood morning :)
07:00.23DocScrutinizer05morning
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07:05.20DocScrutinizer05grrr, FW expired the 18h uptime it usually works semi-useful
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07:07.23DocScrutinizer05[notice]FW reboot pending. 18h uptime expired. Semi-frozen
07:07.43r00t|homeDocScrutinizer05: more like, exceeded?
07:08.13DocScrutinizer05or that
07:08.56DocScrutinizer05I meant "used up, no more left over of it"
07:09.01thedead1440yup seems like it got frozen 1-2mins back
07:09.37DocScrutinizer05Sa 2. Feb 06:57:51 CET 2013  real       0m18.894s
07:09.39DocScrutinizer05Sa 2. Feb 07:03:10 CET 2013  real       2m27.017s
07:09.40DocScrutinizer05Sa 2. Feb 07:10:37 CET 2013  real       0m16.212s
07:09.54DocScrutinizer05that's <now-1h>
07:10.03thedead1440Sat Feb  2 15:01:52 SGT 2013  real0m23.019s
07:10.04thedead1440Sat Feb  2 15:07:15 SGT 2013  real0m11.360s
07:10.12thedead1440that's 4mins back here :S
07:10.29DocScrutinizer05and FW got rebooted 1min back
07:10.38thedead1440:D
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07:11.12DocScrutinizer05Broadcast message from root (pts/0) (Sat Feb  2 09:08:04 2013):
07:11.14DocScrutinizer05The system is going down for reboot NOW!
07:13.38DocScrutinizer05o.O
07:13.48DocScrutinizer05still not back
07:15.10DocScrutinizer05GRRRRRR
07:15.51thedead1440yikes down again?
07:18.58DocScrutinizer05seems it recovered, just took a 10min off time ;-P
07:19.11thedead1440yup back now
07:19.24thedead1440it needed a botsnack too :p
07:19.51DocScrutinizer05I'll give it a botkick in da A**e
07:19.59thedead1440lol
07:20.09DocScrutinizer05POS
07:21.28pwnguinout of curiousity, is this channel related to the hildon foundation?
07:21.30DocScrutinizer05LOL
07:21.33DocScrutinizer05root@MaemoFirewall:~ # uptime
07:21.35DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
07:21.43DocScrutinizer05a LIIIEEE, LIIIEEEEE
07:21.44thedead1440haha
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07:24.09damo22hmm guys i dont know what im doing wrong but my built in browser cant install cssu
07:24.10DocScrutinizer05Feb  2 09:08:15 MaemoFirewall syslog-ng[2381]: syslog-ng shutting down; version='2.0.10'
07:24.11DocScrutinizer05Feb  2 11:10:13 MaemoFirewall kernel: [    0.000000] Linux version 2.6.32.43-57.e43.i586 (root@andrew) (gcc version 4.1.2 20070626 (Endian 4.1.2-14)) #1 SMP Wed Aug 1
07:24.14DocScrutinizer05:-/
07:25.27DocScrutinizer05damo22: you probably need some patience since the original repository.maemo.org is still sloooow
07:26.04DocScrutinizer05pwnguin: well, kinda
07:26.19DocScrutinizer05pwnguin: ...since HiFo is realted to maemo
07:26.27DocScrutinizer05related even
07:26.39pwnguinim just confirming they're not a splinter group
07:26.53DocScrutinizer05hehehe
07:27.05thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: they aren't a splinter group :p
07:27.12DocScrutinizer05no, HiFo is maemo's official treasurer
07:27.18damo22what is supposed to come on the screen when the cssu installation starts?
07:27.45damo22i get a text window with config info about cssu repo
07:27.58DocScrutinizer05that sounds about right
07:28.11damo22so do i just wait and see what happens?
07:28.40DocScrutinizer05yes, as long as there's no error getting thrown in that window
07:28.47damo22ok
07:29.17DocScrutinizer05with our current extremely slow repo it might take an hour or longer till stuff gets done
07:29.40pwnguinwhat's going on with the site?
07:29.55DocScrutinizer05hm?
07:30.03damo22ok
07:30.11pwnguinfirewalls crashing, repos slow
07:30.21pwnguinexpiring keys
07:30.36DocScrutinizer05firewall is a POS
07:31.12DocScrutinizer05repo moved from a Akamai server farm with several hundred servers to a VM with a 50Mbit uplink
07:31.32DocScrutinizer05key expired since Nokia didn't take care to renew it in time
07:31.38pwnguinakamai server farm seems like overkill
07:32.39DocScrutinizer05well, the farm been overkill, what we now got is too weak
07:32.44RST38hDoc: What do you need the firewall for in the first place?
07:33.14DocScrutinizer05RST38h: I don't need it neither implemented it first place
07:33.26RST38hSo, why not remove it?
07:34.00DocScrutinizer05because rack's network config is outside our domain of administrative power
07:34.12damo22is it supposed to be stuck in a web browser with [install] catalogues=community-testing.... etc
07:34.18RST38hWhy not ask the administrator to disable the firewall?
07:34.47DocScrutinizer05the administrator already suggested we (they) might do exactly that
07:35.19DocScrutinizer05but that needs a grid-guy to create external IF on each VM
07:35.35DocScrutinizer05we started with repo
07:35.43DocScrutinizer05which is already exposed
07:35.44damo22it seems to me that the .install script is not being detected as the right mime type and its just displaying the script in the web browser instead of executing it
07:35.48RST38hAha
07:36.10DocScrutinizer05damo22: that's bad. Which browser you're using?
07:36.19damo22the Web thing
07:36.24damo22built into nokia
07:36.26DocScrutinizer05should work
07:37.22damo22is there a way to add this thing as an apt repo  and do it from the command line?
07:37.45DocScrutinizer05damo22: sorry I'm not up to date and fluent on talking you through manual installation of cssu-s
07:38.18damo22i just want to know if its possible
07:38.26DocScrutinizer05yes, basically you can enter the info from the .install into HAMs catalogs settings under "new catalog"
07:38.39damo22great
07:38.42damo22i can work it out
07:38.54DocScrutinizer05then install the app in .install via apt-get and execute it
07:39.05damo22good shit
07:39.30DocScrutinizer05the .install is just a convenience shortcut for the former actions
07:41.42keriodamo22: fun stuff: it needs the exact name of the repo too
07:42.05keriodamo22: it's probably better if you download the .install and open it with file manager
07:42.43keriowell, it's not "need", but the enabler won't work right wrt repos, and you'll have to manually change them before doing the install
07:43.25kerioDocScrutinizer05: rmo throughput? still the same?
07:45.01ecc2ghardware question :anyone measured the current draw of an n900 while charging?   mine seems to only draw 400mA which seems low...
07:45.05DocScrutinizer05kerio: last figure from pre-boot:  23.8Mb
07:46.12DocScrutinizer05ecc2g: that is quite normal, depending on charge state of your LiIon battery
07:46.30damo22i typed it in manually, looks like its doing something good
07:47.18DocScrutinizer05kerio: 28.5Mb
07:47.30ecc2gabout 25%... I was trying to figure out why the ac10u was 1200mA...
07:48.51DocScrutinizer05ecc2g: that's max load
07:49.20DocScrutinizer05LiIon charging in N900 follows a CCCV scheme though
07:49.39DocScrutinizer05which means that you will eventually taper off with current
07:50.08keriodamo22: yeah but the enabler is supposed to... nevermind, you're installing cssu stable right?
07:50.21DocScrutinizer05actually battery never will charge with 1200mA (except when e*_ tries it)
07:50.31damo22im putting on testing
07:51.05DocScrutinizer05and 5V is step-down transformed to the battery's 3.7 avr voltage, which also means you got lower current on 5V than on battery charge
07:51.51DocScrutinizer05damo22: I heard cssu-t has some problems with the expired key on Nokia's repos
07:51.57DocScrutinizer05IIRC
07:52.15damo22dang
07:52.17DocScrutinizer05better install cssu-s, you can 'upgrade' to cssu-t any time later
07:52.44kerionah, it really doesn't
07:52.45ecc2gduring bulkcharge phase it should draw max current, the taper should happen above 4v and around 80+% capacity...
07:53.00DocScrutinizer05basically yes
07:53.04kerioi mean, what are the missing packages?
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07:53.43keriowarfare: whenever you can, .install files have the wrong MIME, they shouldn't be text
07:53.59DocScrutinizer05kerio: I dunno. as already mentioned i'm not up to date and fluent with manual installation of CSSU
07:54.28DocScrutinizer05kerio: WTF happened to the mime types then?
07:54.35kerioit should be application/x-install-instructions
07:54.41kerioDocScrutinizer05: nginx happened :)
07:54.41ecc2g5v400mA is 2w, bl5j is 5wh, means 2.5h to charge at 100% efficiency...
07:54.42damo22ok im putting stable on
07:54.58DocScrutinizer05kerio: also, please consider warfare is our *sysiop*, not our repo/www maintainer
07:55.15damo22that mime thing sucked but i worked it out manually
07:55.29kerioDocScrutinizer05: who has write access to /etc/nginx.conf?
07:55.44DocScrutinizer05where?
07:55.48keriormo
07:55.57DocScrutinizer05meh, that's warfare
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07:56.09keriotoldya :P
07:56.19DocScrutinizer05do you say .install is on repo.m.o?
07:56.21keriothat's why i said "whenever you have time"
07:56.31kerioDocScrutinizer05: they are, afaik
07:56.45DocScrutinizer05I'd like to bet against that
07:57.03DocScrutinizer05well, dunno
07:57.07DocScrutinizer05maybe they are
07:57.10keriowins the bet
07:57.20DocScrutinizer05~cssu
07:57.20infobotmethinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
07:57.24thedead1440Doc: http://repository.maemo.org/community/community-fremantle.install
07:57.35ecc2gI tried hooking up to a bench supply, what bothered me a bit is that the n900 seems to present a near linear resistive load... which is not what a switching supply should look like...
07:57.40DocScrutinizer05you're right
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07:57.50kerioof course i am
07:57.52kerio~kerio
07:57.52infobotsomebody said kerio was <DocScrutinizer05> kerio is right
07:57.57damo22its a bit of a shame because tomorrow i have a chance to convince my friend to get a n900 instead of an iphone, but if the repo is sloooow its not gonna be a good demonstration
07:58.06damo22lol
07:58.07DocScrutinizer05~useless
07:58.07infobotACTION starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :(
07:58.25thedead1440haha
07:58.46thedead1440damo22: if your friend needs a demo to choose the n900 over the iphone then he really should get the iphone
07:58.59damo22she
07:59.04DocScrutinizer05:-D
07:59.32DocScrutinizer05how about adding an entry to your N900 /etc/hosts? ;-P
08:00.08DocScrutinizer05(semi-serious suggestion, probably won't fly)
08:00.23pwnguindamo22: unless your friend is looking to buy a 3 year old iphone, that comparison might be worthwhile =(
08:01.07keriofeels that extensive multitasking is still in favour of the n900
08:01.55pwnguintrue
08:02.31pwnguini might have replaced my n900 with a galaxy nexus, and am slightly sad at the multitasking
08:02.32DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1320044#post1320044
08:02.47damo22i just swapped my iphone 4s for n900
08:02.57pwnguinlolwut
08:03.35damo22well not literally, i still have both here im just trying to see if i can do everything i need on this
08:03.46DocScrutinizer05just that it's not a "first step2 but rather the last step of first of three hops
08:03.58DocScrutinizer05s/2/"/
08:04.13keriodamo22: there's a compatibility layer to run angry birds
08:04.16kerioyou'll be fine
08:04.24damo22i never used angry birds
08:04.27damo22in my life
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08:04.40damo22:D
08:05.08DocScrutinizer05kerio: since when does N900 need a compatibility layer to run angry birds?
08:05.09damo22i just want this phone because i like to be in control of my own computing
08:05.36damo22and i dont want someone telling me one day i cant make a phonecall because i havent downloaded 900Mb update
08:05.46damo22:P
08:05.50DocScrutinizer05afaik AB been a native fremantle app, to start with. Only then got migrated to other platforms
08:06.26thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: true its been available on fremantle since the first pr-release but i don't know if it was launched here first or on iOS
08:06.29damo22touchscreen seems to suck though
08:06.53damo22although i havent removed the film off the front yet
08:07.37DocScrutinizer05damo22: I always thought N900 touchscreen is the best I ever used - incl any crappy capacitive TS on those other phones
08:07.53DocScrutinizer05damo22: so yes, remove that film, might help a lot
08:07.57damo22ok
08:08.14DocScrutinizer05be careful though, not to damage the digitizer
08:08.57DocScrutinizer05it can't stand neither punctures nor excessive pulling force
08:09.04damo22how do i uninstall cherry
08:09.13damo22is it supposed to be in the list somewhere?
08:09.24keriodamo22: it's not a user package
08:09.29DocScrutinizer05apt-get?
08:09.30kerioapt-get remove cherry
08:09.34kerioas root
08:10.10damo22apt-get pop cherry
08:10.23DocScrutinizer05after you installed cssu, otherwise you shouldn't accept what apt-get suggests ;-)
08:11.06DocScrutinizer05odds are it would uninstall ~70% of your system, on a stock fremantle OS
08:11.16kerioDocScrutinizer05: nah
08:11.23kerionothing depends *on* the metapackage
08:11.25DocScrutinizer05or you simply install notmynokia app
08:12.01kerioDocScrutinizer05: if you install nmn, remove cherry and remove nmn, you *have* cherry and no way to uninstall it
08:12.30DocScrutinizer05o.O ??
08:13.15damo22is it wise to update the official maemo stuff from nokia?
08:13.34DocScrutinizer05as in "system update"?
08:13.38DocScrutinizer05in HAM?
08:13.53damo22um, not sure if i have ham yet
08:14.03DocScrutinizer05you have HAM
08:14.16damo22ok well i got a funny ! icon
08:14.17DocScrutinizer05it's the default package manager of hildon
08:14.37damo22so i touched it and it said official nokia updates are available
08:14.40DocScrutinizer05yes, and a "system upgarde 2011.38.2" inside?
08:14.45damo22for maemo 5
08:14.52DocScrutinizer05forget it
08:15.04DocScrutinizer05you're supposed to have PR1.3 flashed
08:15.15DocScrutinizer05this maemo5 update is for Pr1.3.1
08:15.24DocScrutinizer05CSSU will ship that for you
08:16.04DocScrutinizer05so no, you don't need the 1.3.1 system upgrade
08:16.08damo22ok
08:16.16DocScrutinizer05ignroe it
08:16.20DocScrutinizer05proceed
08:16.55damo22i need bash, sudo, and a few tools
08:17.12DocScrutinizer05sudo already there
08:17.15damo22busybox sucks balls
08:17.21DocScrutinizer05get the rest via apt-get
08:17.27DocScrutinizer05~jrtools
08:17.27infoboti heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
08:17.37damo22ahh
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08:20.57damo22rmo :  32B/s
08:21.11damo22:P
08:22.01DocScrutinizer05GRRR http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_The_Perfect_Setup -> another staement about SR " will significantly increase battery life." without any evidence
08:22.38DocScrutinizer05damo22: this may change any moment, some connections see 300kBps
08:22.45DocScrutinizer05yours too, eventually
08:22.51damo22nice
08:24.12thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: kerio predicted your reaction to that page yesterday: 22:51  * kerio flees from doc's area-of-effect wrath
08:24.42kerioit was for the "kernel-power is recommended" thing
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08:34.02DocScrutinizer05yes, I know
08:34.36DocScrutinizer05I fought myself and won, to not rant on suggesting kernel-power in itself
08:35.30DocScrutinizer05after all the page gives due credit to overclocking being deprecated
08:36.44DocScrutinizer05I still don't see why KP is beneficial for beginners, apart form the suggested SR power savings which never been tested in RL
08:36.59DocScrutinizer05and are deprecated by Nokia anyway, afaik
08:37.32DocScrutinizer05since iirc there's some hw instability in at least some devices, with SR
08:38.03DocScrutinizer05and after all SR is just a hw based way to do what fremantle stock kernel does in sw
08:38.37DocScrutinizer05so the supposed power savings of SR are questionable at least
08:41.13DocScrutinizer05undervolting is a completely unrelated topic. and not exactly recommended either. So what's the beginner's benefit in using PK?
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08:43.07kerioDocScrutinizer05: h-e-n :P
08:43.15DocScrutinizer05damo22: any progress?
08:43.43DocScrutinizer05kerio: for H-E-N you'll get advice which kernel to install
08:43.57DocScrutinizer05as soon as you install the H-E-N package
08:49.04keriohm, why doesn't it also provide modules for stock?
08:49.39DocScrutinizer05because USB is monolithic in stock kernel
08:49.51keriooic
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08:53.06keriobtw, rmo is sloooooooooooooow
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08:55.08DocScrutinizer05I knooooooooow
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09:09.26warfarekerio: I'll add the mime-type (although this should be in apache, as nginx is only the proxy for slow connections)
09:10.20keriowarfare: maybe it should? i suppose that the migration changed the apache configuration and no one noticed the problem because... well, rmo was down
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09:11.49warfareI think so.
09:16.36warfareContent Type fixed.
09:17.03warfarecurl -vvI http://repository.maemo.org/extras/install/extras-devel.install => Content-Type: application/x-install-instructions
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09:18.31keriowarfare: i might be repeating myself, but you da man
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09:18.57kerio~warfare
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09:21.45kerioinfobot: #maemo warfare is Falk Stern, maemo.org master sysop, and also DA MAN
09:21.45infobotkerio: okay
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09:36.35DocScrutinizer05fasten seatbelts! warfare going to fire up the booster on repo ;:-D
09:38.56RST38hKILL. KILL. DESTRRROY.
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09:42.02keriobooster? :O
09:42.51DocScrutinizer05kerio: we have some heavy *writing* on HDD
09:43.01kerio...WHAT?
09:43.14keriowho? why?
09:43.16keriowhen?
09:43.35kerioit makes no sense, repo. is static right now
09:43.37warfareI'm installing iotop to look for the culprit.
09:46.01DocScrutinizer05atime
09:46.07DocScrutinizer05my suspect
09:46.30kerioooh, that's a good one
09:46.48kerioi was going to suggest some excessive logging
09:46.51lufDocScrutinizer05: who keeps enabled atime? :D
09:46.53kerio...which is what atime is, pretty much
09:47.04DocScrutinizer05we already disabled logging, didn't change
09:47.27lufDocScrutinizer05: So let's try remount with noatime ;)
09:47.36DocScrutinizer05:nod:
09:48.35lufDocScrutinizer05: why not?
09:49.56warfareI'm taking down apache for a second.
09:51.23DocScrutinizer05WUT? from 90+%wa to <10%
09:52.00DocScrutinizer05aah, apache been down
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09:54.11lufDocScrutinizer05: mount -o remount,noatime,nodiratime <mnt point> ?
09:54.31warfarealready done that.
09:54.59DocScrutinizer05sorry, /dev/xvda on / type ext3 (rw,noatime,nodiratime)
09:55.11kerionobarrier data=writeback!
09:55.19Skry:)
09:56.34warfareI'm switching from nginx to varnish. nginx keeps swapping objects to disk
09:57.01keriowarfare: not lighttpd?
09:57.17DocScrutinizer05eeek, swapping
09:57.25kerioalso, can't we disable the swap?
09:57.56DocScrutinizer05anyway, wa gone done by ~30%
09:58.01warfarekerio: there is no swap (at least from the kernel side)
09:58.02DocScrutinizer05absolute
09:58.41warfarekerio: I am not familiar with lighttpd, so atm I stick to the tools I know :)
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09:59.02DocScrutinizer05or so I thought
09:59.06keriofair
09:59.58DocScrutinizer05(watch a professional at work. makes my day :-D )
10:00.50keriooh, it's the firewall that has swap, right
10:01.13DocScrutinizer05nope
10:01.33DocScrutinizer05we're not looking at firewall now, since repo is exposed anyway
10:01.40kerioyes, yes
10:01.59DocScrutinizer05nevertheless FW has no swap either
10:02.57DocScrutinizer05actually I think swap doesn't make sense on low latency systems
10:03.20DocScrutinizer05autobuilder, ok. not on fileservers or firewalls though
10:04.41warfareShould be better now
10:05.56DocScrutinizer05Cpu(s):  1.1%us,  0.9%sy,  0.0%ni, 95.2%id,  0.1%wa,  0.0%hi,  1.4%si,  1.3%st
10:05.57DocScrutinizer05Mem:   2049296k total,  1966308k used,    82988k free,    12960k buffers
10:06.01warfareStill pushing ~26M but with no cpu load now.
10:06.19DocScrutinizer05:nod:
10:06.38warfare~93% of all requests are served from the cache.
10:06.38infobotwarfare: okay
10:06.40DocScrutinizer05quite a difference
10:07.00DocScrutinizer05~forget 93% of all requests
10:07.00infoboti forgot 93% of all requests, DocScrutinizer05
10:07.38DocScrutinizer05;-)
10:07.42warfareOh, "~" is for the bot?
10:07.49DocScrutinizer05attention key
10:07.52kerio~warfare
10:07.53infobotwarfare is, like, Falk Stern, maemo.org master sysop, and also DA MAN
10:09.23DocScrutinizer05those 28Mbps uplink might be ISP's traffic shaping actually
10:09.28kerio~botsnack
10:09.28infobotkerio: thanks
10:09.44kerioDocScrutinizer05: well, now that we're not cpu limited...
10:09.51keriocan't we get nemein to give us more bandwidth?
10:09.59keriolike, if we ask pretty, pretty please :3
10:10.03DocScrutinizer05we can try
10:10.24warfareI need some coffee.
10:10.35DocScrutinizer05enjoy! :-D
10:13.15DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
10:13.48RST38h464MB? Really?
10:14.04RST38hAnd we are not talking overcommit here?
10:14.11DocScrutinizer05not Really, rather RES
10:14.34DocScrutinizer05that's top
10:14.42DocScrutinizer05of top ;-)
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10:15.23DocScrutinizer05I'm inklined to give it a kill
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10:16.30keriowhy three?
10:16.39DocScrutinizer05:shrug:
10:16.47keriokill them with fire
10:16.51DocScrutinizer05we're two users there, i got one ;-)
10:16.57kerioor kill them with TERM
10:18.34DocScrutinizer05killed mine, which turned out to be the greedy one
10:19.00xeshumm ...bandwidth maniacs? :)
10:19.20DocScrutinizer05moo xes
10:19.38DocScrutinizer05xes: plaqying with repo
10:20.24xeshello there! ...sorry for the meeting, i returned at home after 21.00 :(
10:21.50DocScrutinizer05top porn: http://privatepaste.com/9608d64d82
10:22.00xesthe last term for migration should be last day of february..or am i wrong?
10:22.10DocScrutinizer05yep
10:22.17DocScrutinizer05for step 2 of 3
10:22.42DocScrutinizer05which is xen-grid -> maemo iron
10:22.50keriocan varnish really push 26Mb/s with 3% cpu? :o
10:23.03DocScrutinizer05step 3: maemo iron -> Hetzner/osuosl
10:23.12kerioDocScrutinizer05: yay europe
10:23.35DocScrutinizer05step 3 still under evaluation
10:24.38DocScrutinizer05for that step3 we definitely need quite some sysop manpower
10:25.03DocScrutinizer05for step2 it's unclear yet how much of it will be done by Nemein
10:25.16warfarekerio: varnish can push around a gig with almost no cpu.
10:25.28xes..don't forget that for sure we/they(nemein) will need at least one week of test of the new irons before transfer vm..indipendently of the virt platform
10:25.35kerioDocScrutinizer05: important thing: keep the timestamps on rmo the same
10:25.44kerioso we don't get flooded to hell by all the n900s
10:26.00DocScrutinizer05:nod:
10:26.09xeskerio: with a vm transfer all will remain the same
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10:26.29DocScrutinizer05:nod: again
10:27.05DocScrutinizer05that's why my plan says "keep the VM until end of step 3"
10:27.58DocScrutinizer05after step3 acomplished (whatever it might be), we can start consolidation to our liking
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10:30.04kerioDocScrutinizer05: with our iron, the "firewall" will be the hypervisor, right?
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10:30.39DocScrutinizer05unclear yet, my take on it is 2FW? what friggin FW?!"
10:30.51DocScrutinizer05s/2/"/
10:34.28xesconcerning the firewall, the easy way would be to use a natted interface of the hypervisor... Easy and plain! ..In the future, some kind of fw with qos would be better
10:35.07DocScrutinizer05xes: I guess we could add that when need arises
10:35.22DocScrutinizer05(some kind of FW)
10:35.40xesDocScrutinizer05: for sure. The first need is to have all up and running
10:35.58DocScrutinizer05for now Nemein's plans are to get rid of that FW since it's a PITA
10:36.13DocScrutinizer05even in xengrid
10:37.38Estel_kerio, I use device with 200mhz and 16 RAM as my irc bouncer... It also shares my whole internet connection@home, servers as ssh and voip gateway, torrent client, and wireless access point :P
10:37.54kerioEstel_: power usage?
10:38.03Estel_I think it beats your shevaplug pretty hard, especially, that it costed ~30$, and it was 3 years ago
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10:38.14Estel_12V 100mA peak ;P
10:38.25keriowell, the dreamplug does have *two* gigabit ethernets and wifi
10:38.31Estel_or more than 3
10:38.43Estel_but it cost order of magnitude more
10:38.55kerioabout half an order of magnitude :P
10:39.04Estel_anyway, it's wrt54gl linksys router, that I'm talking about, powered by openwrt
10:39.06DocScrutinizer05uplink steady at 27Mbps
10:39.07xesDocScrutinizer05: i think that endian is a good product, but not inside a vm. Too complicated to be managed by a team and ..almost impossible to debug in hours (rather than weeks), so f**k the fw
10:39.09DocScrutinizer05waves
10:39.23kerioEstel_: makes sense - i do have a wrt810n that acts as my router
10:39.44keriobut openwrt is flaky on it, and ddwrt is... eeh
10:39.49kerioworks, but not quite
10:39.51Estel_why flaky?
10:39.58Estel_try 2.4 kernel
10:40.00DocScrutinizer05xes: yep
10:40.11Estel_2.6 kernel on openwrt = mess, from my experience
10:40.22kerioer, 610n
10:40.48DocScrutinizer05holler if sh*t hits the fan, folks. I'm gone
10:41.17kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's ok, we've got a real sysadmin now >:D
10:41.34DocScrutinizer05root@MaemoFirewall:~ # uptime
10:41.35DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
10:41.41Estel_kerio,  I don't know for never models, but wrt54gl is quite interesting, as it works exactly as well for 12V power supply godly way, as for 5V from either battery pack or usb
10:41.42DocScrutinizer05so another 15h left
10:42.07kerioEstel_: does openwrt have a web interface?
10:42.15DocScrutinizer05kerio: I never claimed to be any sysop
10:42.22Estel_pretty decent, if one want to use it (I do)
10:42.27Estel_LuCI
10:42.31freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: out of curiosity - is FW stable now?
10:42.35DocScrutinizer05kerio: system architect and project leader here
10:42.37Estel_Lua scripted interface
10:42.42keriofreemangordon: well, it works
10:42.51freemangordonwith reboots?
10:42.55DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: yes... for 18h
10:42.55kerioEstel_: i might just try it, i suppose
10:43.05freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: nice
10:43.22freemangordonwith constant 25 MB load?
10:43.28freemangordon*MB/s
10:43.28DocScrutinizer05nah
10:43.30kerioMbs
10:43.30Estel_kerio,  only drawback - as name suggest - it's G wifi standard
10:43.45DocScrutinizer05repo bypassing FW
10:43.49freemangordonaah, ok
10:43.53Estel_I don't see a problem, as I'm allergic to N
10:44.26DocScrutinizer05\/o
10:44.54freemangordonkerio: who loads RMO that badly? devices?
10:44.54sixwheeledbeasthttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1320064&postcount=160
10:45.10sixwheeledbeastproblem logging in to package page?
10:45.23freemangordonkerio: or it is nokia farm?
10:45.26DocScrutinizer05problem logging in to maemo.org
10:45.38keriofreemangordon: 40k active n900s (with only extras active) end up being a download every two seconds, on average
10:45.50DocScrutinizer05known but not assigned yet, it seems
10:45.50Estel_kerio, btw, yesterday, some funny technician tried to convince my parents, that their wrt54gl won't support more than 17 Mb/s network access
10:46.02freemangordonkerio: I know, that is why I ask
10:46.34Estel_kerio,  although no one seen those 40k devices yet ;)
10:46.36freemangordonso we are waiting server farm to stop torturing RMO?
10:46.46keriofreemangordon: there's no server farm anymore
10:46.55freemangordonbut why this lload then?
10:46.57freemangordon*load
10:46.59DocScrutinizer05pooof, gone
10:47.11DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: N900
10:47.26DocScrutinizer05so yes, *I* seen them
10:47.51Estel_~5000 unique IPs served?
10:48.01DocScrutinizer05lol
10:48.12freemangordonwhat? there is enough devices to do do constant 25 MBs?
10:48.31freemangordon*arew
10:48.35DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# awk '{print $1}' < /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer | sort | uniq | wc -l
10:48.36DocScrutinizer0531602
10:48.48DocScrutinizer05that's for today
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10:48.58freemangordonheads to the coffee machine for another coffee :)
10:48.58Estel_so we're close to 40k limit, it may end in few days
10:49.08warfareDocScrutinizer05: we are not logging anymore ;)
10:49.13Estel_unless it turns out to be 80k limit:P
10:49.14DocScrutinizer05ooh
10:49.41warfareDocScrutinizer05: Doesn't make sense, as most requests don't even hit the apache anymore.
10:49.44keriothe issue is that we don't actually know if the catalogue updates end or fail due to timeouts
10:50.08Estel_so, a shameless question - do we *know* (in terms of zhiterai *&nowing* ;) ) why it works so slow, or we only *suppose* reason?
10:50.13Estel_s/we/you/
10:50.25Estel_s/we/you
10:50.29freemangordonI am curious too
10:50.43warfareWe have 1533 established tcp connections to port 80.
10:50.59warfareDivide that by the available bandwidth.
10:51.15warfare(around 26mbit/s)
10:51.32freemangordonwarfare: aah, so we lack network bandwith? ok, makes sense
10:51.33Estel_~26/1533
10:51.33infobot0.016960208741
10:51.53freemangordonhmm, does not make sense :)
10:51.55Estel_~16kb
10:52.05freemangordonKbs :)
10:52.09Estel_yes
10:52.15Estel_I was hungry and ate s
10:52.25Estel_well, in fact
10:52.25freemangordonbut why web iface is slow then?
10:52.34Estel_~26*1024
10:52.34infobot26624
10:52.46Estel_~26624/1533
10:52.46infobot17.367253750815
10:52.49freemangordonaah, it is Mbs
10:53.13Estel_~17,3Kbs
10:53.21Estel_per head
10:53.29Estel_doesn't sound so slow, in practice it seems slower
10:53.34Estel_than that
10:53.34freemangordonnot that bad, esp for http
10:53.42kerioit's probably not equally-distributed
10:53.54Estel_well, in practice it feels like 17 bs
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10:54.02freemangordon:nod:
10:54.07DocScrutinizer05warfare: thought as much when you mentioned that fronend thingie, varnish?
10:54.40warfareThats probably because of the ratelimiting nemein does. This drops some packets, so tcp retransmits them.
10:54.55kerioshakes his fist at nemein
10:55.29Estel_shameless question 2: Given known circumstances and numbers, do you think there is a chancde for it to *ever* work as intended?
10:55.40Estel_or is it dead-man-loop, excuse the pun?
10:55.58Estel_s/chancde/chance/
10:56.17kerioEstel_: we just need more bandwidth :)
10:56.33DocScrutinizer05Estel_: we're working on it
10:56.34keriothe VM is perfectly healthy, 90% idle
10:56.38Estel_more bandwidth doesn't fit in "known circumstances" as in "present limits we have"
10:56.53Estel_s/we/you/
10:56.57Estel_damn the habit
10:57.05warfareEstel_: _If_ we can get more bandwidth (preferably 100Mbit/s) varnish could easily saturate that. 90% of all requests ask for the same files.
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10:57.37Estel_warfare,  seems reasonable. do You (as in organization) have money for more bandwidth?
10:57.55keriowarfare: which files? extras Release, extras Packages.gz?
10:58.07warfarekerio: yes.
10:58.33warfareEstel_: I don't know about the monetary situation, but I will go looking for some sponsoring on monday.
10:58.42Estel_nods
10:58.52Estel_thanks for info... And good luck
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11:01.25keriocan't we ask Nemein for a temporary burst to 50mbps or something similar?
11:01.39kerioi bet that once all the active n900s properly update, they won't bug us as much
11:01.56kerioa HEAD is a lot faster than a GET for a 3mb file
11:03.43xeskerio: do you know how much 50mbps costs instead 20mbps?
11:04.21freemangordonBTW do we expect that activity to cease?
11:04.36freemangordonin short term that is
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11:06.13freemangordonoh, shit "3% [9 Packages 93261/3169kB 2%]                                 5763B/s 8min53s"
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11:10.44DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: my HAM update stalled at donno where, extrapolation gave me 90min ETA. 15min later it had finished
11:11.04freemangordonis doing wget :)
11:11.23DocScrutinizer05might be all the same
11:11.43DocScrutinizer05connection badwidth per client isn't static
11:11.49DocScrutinizer05band*
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11:12.15DocScrutinizer05I see connections with 300+kBps here
11:12.25DocScrutinizer05others with 5Bps
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11:13.38warfareTop is extras/Packages.gz, followed by extras/Packages, followed by extras-devel/Packages.gz
11:14.29toprohi, just reactivated my n900 after not using it for about one year, I just started missing it ;) seems some of the old repos aren't up anymore. any recommendations what repo-list to use to get it up to date, please?
11:14.32keriowho the hell is downloading extras/Packages? :s
11:14.58toprokerio: could that be me?
11:15.02kerio...why do users start using the n900 again only when the repos are down? :S
11:15.17keriotopro: temporary problems caused by the migration from nokia-owned infrastructure to community-owned infrastructure
11:15.21toprocome on...
11:15.32keriothe repository is working, is just sloooooooooow, but we're working on it
11:15.38kerioin the mean time
11:15.38toprook, i see. no problem. i'm patient ;)
11:15.39kerio~mirrors
11:15.39infoboti guess mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
11:16.03damo22i am downloading the cssu-s stuff
11:16.15keriomaemo-archive.wedrop.it is easy to use, just add "maemo-archive.wedrop.it/" between http:// and repository.maemo.org
11:16.20kerioin your sources.list
11:16.39toprokerio: i just realized that the old repo list on my n900 contains a lot of stuff. is there a list with currently recommended repos to start over again?
11:17.30keriojust the two nokia repos, extras (or extras-devel if you're feeling brave), and a cssu repo if you installed cssu
11:18.00toprook, thanks
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11:22.00topromy repo list, http://paste.debian.net/231180/
11:22.15topro^^ anything that needs a change?
11:23.33kerioyou don't need both extras and extras-testing
11:23.46kerioapart from that, sounds good
11:23.54keriois this your hildon-application-manager.list?
11:24.05kerioit'll be overwritten by HAM whenever you launch it :)
11:24.28toproyes, it is. where to put infos then?
11:24.53kerioconfigure HAM
11:25.03kerioor disable every repo in HAM and copy that list in /etc/apt/sources.list
11:28.28keriotopro: also, HAM is a bit weird, he'll not accept upgrades from mirrors of certain repos unless you disable a certain hidden setting
11:28.39keriobut that hidden setting may have UNFATHOMABLE CONSEQUENCES
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11:29.32damo22it might turn your n900 into a doorstop?
11:30.05kerionah
11:30.24toprook, tell me more...
11:30.24keriothere's surprisingly little that you can do in software to brick a n900
11:30.36damo22then whats with the caps
11:30.41damo22:P
11:31.13keriotopro: HAM has something it calls "domains", each with a certain trust level
11:31.37keriopackages in repos belong to a certain domain, and installed packages from those repos also belong in that domain
11:31.52kerioHAM will outright refuse to upgrade a package that comes from a domain with a certain trust level to a domain with a lower trust level
11:32.10keriorepositories are put in domains based on the key used to sign them, and based on some hidden configurations in HAM
11:32.17keriothose configurations also include the URL for the repo
11:32.33toprowhat about using FAM? any better, or even worse?
11:32.36kerioso any repo *you* create as a user will not be considered belonging in a domain different than the "untrusted" one
11:32.38kerio~fam
11:32.38infobotwell, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever
11:33.00toprook, i see. i've been away for too long ;)
11:33.07keriobut considering that the nokia repos right now have 0 trust because their key is expired... i feel that there's very little you can do except disable that check in HAM
11:33.17kerioenter redpill mode, go to settings, and untick "ignore packages from wrong domains"
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11:34.02keriothat will let HAM know that you won't be ok with its bullshit
11:34.05toprocan't find this setting, is it a HAM setting or somewhere in system settings?
11:34.19kerioit's a HAM setting, but it's hidden
11:34.41keriohttp://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_Mode
11:34.45toprothe I missed the red pill I think
11:34.49toproah, ill see
11:35.17toprohmm, "There is currently no text in this page...."
11:35.29keriooh, sorry
11:35.30keriohttp://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode
11:35.35keriofscking case sensitiveness
11:37.18DocScrutinizer05kerio: I'm honestly concerned about your health! :-o  Where's gone all your usual trolling? ;-D
11:37.30toproi don't even have that configuration file /home/user/.osso/hildon-application-manager
11:37.48DocScrutinizer05nah, that's hardly possible
11:38.05DocScrutinizer05if there's actually no such file, create it
11:40.48DocScrutinizer05http://privatepaste.com/9b452a7c24  <- /home/user/.osso/hildon-application-manager
11:40.55DocScrutinizer05*my* /home/user/.osso/hildon-application-manager
11:41.40toprodoc: thanks
11:42.38DocScrutinizer05kerio always claims red pill mode never really vanished from HAM. I'm not all that sure about it
11:43.12DocScrutinizer05you'll learn if it works when (or when not) there are new settings showing up in HAM menu
11:43.19toproeven with red piull mode I see no settings in HAM at all. I maus be blind
11:43.35toprojust catalogs and protocol
11:44.04DocScrutinizer05killall hildon-application-manager
11:44.19DocScrutinizer05recheck /home/user/.osso/hildon-application-manager
11:44.32DocScrutinizer05it might get overwritten by HAM, on quitting
11:44.38toprook, i'll do. just have to leave for the moment. thanks a lot. bb
11:45.04DocScrutinizer05o/
11:45.47DocScrutinizer05suggests to install cssu HAM, it seen several fixes
11:46.05DocScrutinizer05and should work even on stock fremantle
11:46.15DocScrutinizer05pokes kerio
11:47.33kerioDocScrutinizer05: i swear it never disappeared
11:47.39keriobut i might be wrong
11:47.47kerioi seldom used stock :)
11:47.59keriothe settings menu is on the top level of HAM iirc
11:48.33keriothe matrix way to temporarily enable it was gone at some point
11:48.50kerioDocScrutinizer05: i've got a cloak and everything, i can't troll like this :(
11:49.12DocScrutinizer05aaaaw ;-P
11:50.33DocScrutinizer05kerio: *iirc* they removed the matrix style redpill enabler at one point in time, but later on removed redpill mode completely. I could be wrong as well
11:51.25M4rtinKdo I have CSSU HAM when I have CSSU stable installed ?
11:51.37DocScrutinizer05kerio: anyway, cssu HAM should install on stock fremantle cleanly, no? via dpkg
11:51.48DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK: yes
11:51.51M4rtinKas I don't see any settings button in the toplevel app-menu
11:52.08DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK: you still need enable redpill mode
11:52.37M4rtinKok
11:52.49DocScrutinizer05though in CSSU HAM even the matrix easteregg GUI hack works afaik
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11:54.36MrPinguDocScrutinizer05: Confirmed
11:54.40DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode#Activating
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12:09.12kerioDocScrutinizer05: apt, too :)
12:09.59xesfreemangordon: does the maemo's apt has support for http redirects?
12:10.57DocScrutinizer05xes: the question more is: does HAM support that feature of apt?
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12:18.50freemangordonxes: no idea
12:26.03xes:( in apt 0.7.20.2 maemo13 no http redirects support ..
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12:41.15Paliping lxp1
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12:51.31DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: could you please disable mirroring of repo.m.o? thanks
12:51.59DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: (I mean actually syncing)
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12:53.19DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: ... temporarily ...
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13:13.46xespali: is lxp1 the mantainer of apt pkg?   ..http redirect is present(but disabled) in x-apt  http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-pkg/apt?page=6   ...so, for now, road closed  
13:14.40Palixes, no lxp1 wrote packet injection wl1251 driver patch
13:15.07Palixes, look here: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-apt there is fremantle apt git tree
13:15.37Palixes, if you want to patch apt, use this version ^^
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13:20.17xesPali: ok
13:20.54Palixes, that version in maemo-pkg "master" branch is harmattan version
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13:40.39kerioxes: patch apt for what?
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13:44.15keriooh, something like http.debian.net?
13:44.36xeskerio: i was looking if maemo's apt has alread the support for http redirects
13:45.32kerioby the way, couldn't we use coralcdn for rmo?
13:49.54DocScrutinizer05on monday warfare will check some cdn options
13:50.07kerioanyway, rmo doesn't work at all for me right now
13:51.36DocScrutinizer05seems a quarter of connections has >200kBps
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13:52.01DocScrutinizer05so i'd attribute it to bad luck for you
13:52.31DocScrutinizer05wonders when teotwaki will notice the request to stop hammering rmo
13:53.24xesmy opinion is that during a migration we should apply only minimum changes to all the domain. There are already enough variables to check
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14:00.05Palipower management problem with packet injection wl1251 driver is solved... problem is in maemo wlancond/wl1251-cal/icd2. when driver is loaded something set link up which consume lot of power
14:00.23Palibut when non packet injection driver is loaded, link is down
14:00.47Palisimple solution is to open wifi network dialog, wait until it show some networks and then close it
14:01.02Paliicd2/wlancond then put interface down
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14:01.38Pali(or another, call ifconfig wlan0 down after loading packet injection driver)
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14:06.20DocScrutinizer05xes: was your comment re cdn?
14:07.12xesDocScrutinizer05: yes
14:07.12DocScrutinizer05Pali: nice find
14:07.38DocScrutinizer05xes: so, we already changed that particular details, *away* from "cdn"
14:08.05PaliDocScrutinizer05, I'm going to use only packet injection driver which is in kp for testing
14:08.19DocScrutinizer05going back to cdn based repo hosting was a step back to old config
14:08.37Palinow when power problem was fixed, it is possible to have it loaded instead old maemo driver
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14:09.13DocScrutinizer05Pali: when we can implement that workaround of yours as a proper fix, then yes
14:09.41PaliDocScrutinizer05, I have script which loading packet injection driver
14:09.50Paliand I added ifconfig wlan0 down
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14:14.16DocScrutinizer05well, that's fixing the issue once. Doesn't same problem return later on, when you use those drivers for daily usage?
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14:14.46PaliDocScrutinizer05, I'm going to test it
14:15.38Paliseems that wifi dialog window doing some link up & link down
14:16.09freemangordonPali: ask jonwil to RE it, so we can fix it
14:16.23Palifreemangordon, why to RE?
14:16.33jonwilwhich dialog needs to be reverse engineered?
14:16.36PaliI think wifi dialog is working ok
14:16.52Paliproblem is when you are switching drivers
14:16.57freemangordonPali: seems I misunderstood what the problem is then
14:17.06jonwilok
14:17.28Palifreemangordon, when packet injection driver is loaded, then n900 start consume lot of power
14:17.47Palieasy fix is to open wifi dialog, wait some seconds and close it
14:17.56Palior open xterm and call ifconfig wlan0 down
14:18.08jonwilok, so is there anything to reverse engineer or not? :)
14:18.19Palijonwil not :-)
14:18.20freemangordonPali: I see
14:18.23jonwilok
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14:19.16topro_re
14:21.51jacekowskiany of you on fosdem this year?
14:24.07topro_is it ok for you if i use repository.maemo.org during migration. or does that do any harm to the migration process. that way i can go the blue-pill way despite being sloooow ;)
14:25.52keriotopro_: it's probably not ok for you
14:25.57keriormo doesn't work at all for me
14:26.04keriounless it's all you jerks stealing my bandwidth
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14:34.29kerioDocScrutinizer05!!!
14:34.31kerioDocScrutinizer05: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88694
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14:34.36keriooh nvm, you've already seen it
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14:36.34DocScrutinizer05topro_: go ahead, see if it works for you
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14:37.56DocScrutinizer05for you folks too:
14:37.59DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep 'Debian APT-HTTP' /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|wc -l
14:38.00DocScrutinizer05436675
14:38.02DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep -v 'Debian APT-HTTP' /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|wc -l
14:38.03DocScrutinizer0544518
14:38.56keriogoddammit mirrors
14:39.13keriostahp
14:39.31keriomerlin1991: have you stopped your mirroring?
14:39.36DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|wc -l
14:39.37DocScrutinizer05347214
14:39.39DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|wc -l
14:39.40DocScrutinizer05133979
14:39.51topro_kerio doc: well it works.... 1 - 200 bytes per sec. about as fast as by 2g conn so ok ;)
14:40.04kerioDocScrutinizer05: damn, so many n900s without cssu :(
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14:41.51merlin1991kerio: nope, but my mirror is in sync, so it's not doing anything apart from dl the Release file (which is 4kb)
14:44.07DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep  "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)"|wc -l
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14:45.27DocScrutinizer0520308
14:45.46keriohold on, three versions?
14:46.08DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep  "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.2)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11.1)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13)"|wc -l
14:46.09DocScrutinizer0510809
14:46.59DocScrutinizer05mo13.2)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11.1)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.6maemo3)"|wc -l
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14:47.02keriowhat's the cssu apt?
14:47.31merlin1991we didn't thinker with that
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14:47.37merlin1991so should be same as pr 1.3
14:47.50lufIt's terrible slow to download anything from repository.maemo.org :(
14:47.55DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep  "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.2)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11.1)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.6maemo3)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo8)"|wc -l
14:47.56DocScrutinizer051710
14:48.06keriomerlin1991: 0.7.20.2maemo13.2+0cssu1
14:48.53merlin1991kerio: lemme rephrase we only enabled the the hidden stuff
14:49.01merlin1991we didn't tuch the user agent
14:49.09DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep  "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.2)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11.1)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.6maemo3)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo8)"|less
14:49.11DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep  "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.2)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11.1)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.6maemo3)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo8)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11)"|wc -l
14:49.12DocScrutinizer05740
14:49.20DocScrutinizer05oops sorry
14:49.40merlin1991kerio: that's the whole changeset applied: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/apt/commit/e6ae26a0e3d3018beb6b1bb0219fb1aef3128a85
14:50.05ludenshm whats the easiest way for me to install 'make' on my n900
14:50.23ludensi think i need to compile org-mode myself
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14:51.19merlin1991ludens: find a guide on installing the sdk in a chroot
14:51.29merlin1991it's a baaaad idea to enable the sdk repo and just install the packages
14:51.40merlin1991(rootfs will fill in seconds)
14:52.02RzRfosdem meeting now
14:52.52ludensmerlin1991: yeah i was thinking i shouldnt need that many packages...
14:53.21DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep  "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.2)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11.1)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.6maemo3)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo8)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3
14:53.21ludensbut hm yeah i guess id need a bunch of stuff :/
14:53.22DocScrutinizer05(0.7.6maemo2)"|wc -l
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14:59.38DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep "0cssu" /var/log/varnish/varnishncsa.log|wc -l
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14:59.41DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# wc -l /var/log/varnish/varnishncsa.log
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15:01.34kerio:c
15:02.01kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's to be expected i suppose, cssu users were probably aware of the downtime and switched to mirrors
15:02.10DocScrutinizer05only means cssu users don't hammer repo with useless update requests
15:02.22DocScrutinizer05yep
15:02.31keriospeak for yourself, i hammer like crazy
15:02.37kerio:P
15:02.42ludenshm is it possible that someone has compiled org-mode lately and made a .deb?
15:03.03ludensthen itd be avilable in the repos i suppose
15:03.20DocScrutinizer05not necessarily
15:03.35xes:)
15:03.54ludensso... i need to make a chroot
15:04.11DocScrutinizer05you're supposed to use scratchbox
15:04.22DocScrutinizer05on a proper PC
15:04.23ludenshumm whats that?
15:04.34kerioinstalling scratchbox is a ridiculous process
15:04.43ludensaha ok
15:04.44keriouse the vm
15:04.52DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1318174#post1318174
15:04.57ludens:c
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15:05.57kerioludens: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ the vm image here
15:06.00keriothe giant one
15:06.24ludensalright can i just run that in qemu?
15:06.34DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK
15:06.51kerioit's a vmware vm, but it runs fine with the usual ubuntu settings in virtualbox
15:07.25ludensokay..
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15:07.51DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation
15:08.11kerioDocScrutinizer05: is it irresponsible to use skeiron to download the vm image?
15:08.14kerioit's like 1.5gb
15:08.22DocScrutinizer05meh
15:08.26ludensand then i will need to create a .deb to install the binary on my n900?
15:08.57kerioludens: chances are, you'll just have to get the debian tarball and compile it
15:08.57DocScrutinizer05rrrright
15:09.04keriowith dpkg-buildpackage
15:09.46ludenshm oh
15:10.28DocScrutinizer05kerio: seems last month you guys used 8% of traffic limit on skeiron
15:10.38DocScrutinizer05there's some headroom still ;-)
15:10.38lufBTW I reflash and now I see no updates (I'm on version 20.2010.36-2). I think there is 38 at least ...
15:11.49kerioluf: there's 2011.38
15:11.53keriofrom nokia
15:12.13keriobut HAM is a jerk
15:12.17lufkerio: Tell it to the HAM ;)
15:12.22keriono, it's a known thing
15:12.30kerioit won't let you update because of the key thing
15:12.44kerioenter redpill mode and disable "ignore packages from wrong domains"
15:12.45DocScrutinizer05nokia dropped the ball
15:12.57luf~redpill
15:13.23kerionokia also dropped the bass
15:13.24keriohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA2pjVAswek
15:14.15kerioluf: "red-pill 1" "red-pill-permanent 1" in ~user/.osso/hildon-application-manager
15:14.18keriotwo lines
15:14.23keriothen access the settings menu
15:14.32DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode
15:14.47kerioinfobot: #maemo redpill is http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode
15:14.47infobotkerio: okay
15:14.51DocScrutinizer05~listkeys redpill
15:14.55kerio:D
15:15.03DocScrutinizer05pff
15:15.34DocScrutinizer05~listvalues  Red_Pill_mode
15:15.45DocScrutinizer05grrr
15:16.00DocScrutinizer05~listvalues  http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode
15:16.25lufkerio: thanks you're faster than google :D
15:16.35DocScrutinizer05o.O
15:16.39DocScrutinizer05~redpill
15:16.40infobotredpill is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode
15:16.52lufDocScrutinizer05: thanks.
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15:17.10ludenshm "Recent Emacs distributions include a packaging system which lets you install Elisp libraries. You can install Org with M-x package-install RET org." i wonder if that would work for me?
15:17.18kerioludens: try it
15:17.33DocScrutinizer05~listvalues wiki.maemo.org
15:17.46DocScrutinizer05~listvalues wiki.maemo.org/
15:17.55DocScrutinizer05~listvalues wiki.maemo.org/Red
15:18.07kerioinfobot: what the hell man
15:18.07infobotTem and Tain are the man.
15:18.11kerio...
15:18.13keriook
15:18.19DocScrutinizer05~factinfo red-pill
15:18.19infobotred-pill -- created by GeneralAntilles <n=GeneralA@c-69-244-211-19.hsd1.fl.comcast.net> at Wed Nov 19 18:27:28 2008 (1535 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by Stskeeps at Thu Feb  5 01:44:00 2009.
15:18.32keriowhat?
15:18.33ludenskerio: def will. would be a lot easier
15:18.36kerio~red-pill
15:18.36infobotextra, extra, read all about it, red-pill is https://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode
15:18.40keriohrmpf
15:18.46DocScrutinizer05:-P
15:18.49kerioinfobot: no, red-pill is <reply>see redpill
15:18.49infobotkerio: okay
15:19.07kerioit's all part of my plan to slowly gain ownership of all the factoids
15:19.08DocScrutinizer05kerio: that's definitely rude
15:19.21kerioDocScrutinizer05: https? really?
15:19.30DocScrutinizer05ooh, k
15:19.57kerioonce i have the copyright on all the factoids, i'll charge 19.99$/month to access them
15:20.03DocScrutinizer05nfc why some guys use https with wiki. Pali as well
15:20.13keriomwahahahahahaha
15:21.03Palipassword login protection?
15:21.20Palihttps everywhere?
15:21.22DocScrutinizer05redirects all https://wiki.maemo.org pages to "this is not your bank account!"
15:21.40Palifix your browser
15:21.43keriohah
15:21.51Palithis is bug in your brower
15:22.03kerioPali: it's not even fully encrypted anyway
15:22.14kerioi can do a MITM through static.maemo.org
15:22.15Palihttps has at least same protection as http
15:22.43Paliso why to not use https?
15:22.50DocScrutinizer05and at least *some* overhead on serverside
15:23.23Paliif there is problem on server, turn https off
15:23.34DocScrutinizer05I'm tempted ;-P
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15:23.41Skrythe fuck
15:23.52DocScrutinizer05lol
15:24.53keriosup, Skry
15:24.58lufSmall trouble with redpill ... I have no .osso/h-a-m file and when I created I lost all repositories ...
15:25.07kerioyou're lying
15:25.16kerioanyway, close ham
15:25.22keriowait for apt-worker to stop dicking around
15:25.30keriothen create that file with the two lines
15:25.37keriosometimes HAM decides to not show any catalogue
15:26.14lufI hate HAM
15:26.19kerioindeed
15:26.37lufFucking sometimes ...
15:26.38Paliluf, you need to wait until apt-worker will parse all lists files
15:27.14Palialso when you start new HAM instance before apt-worker from old instance exited you have problem...
15:27.15lufPali: it didn't try to parse ...
15:27.19lufBut now it's ok.
15:27.34lufPali: maybe I was too fast :(
15:27.36kerioluf: there should be a Settings menu on the toplevel
15:27.44Paliluf, when you start HAM it spawn apt-worked and it parsing all packages from repositories
15:28.01Palithis take about 2-10 minutes on my n900 :-(
15:28.07DocScrutinizer05luf: it's hard to *not* be too fast for HAM
15:28.34Paliwhen you install/uninstall/update any package HAM again reparsing packages
15:28.40Paliand again it took lot of time
15:29.16lufPali: I know about that too long. But I can't understand why it starts when another apt-worked is running.
15:29.20DocScrutinizer05if HAM doesn't work, you're too fast. Waaaaaait!
15:29.46Paliluf, HAM spawning apt-worker with 4 names pipes on /tmp/
15:30.00Paliafter apt worker is spawned files are removed
15:30.16Paliso any new application cannot connect to apt-worker
15:30.38lufPali: ok so HAM should report the error in that case.
15:30.48Paliyes should
15:30.59DocScrutinizer05apt-get does ;-P
15:31.22PaliI already implemented some code in CSSU HAM which tell apt-worked to immediately quit when turning HAM off
15:31.41DocScrutinizer05and I still wonder if that's a good idea
15:32.16PaliDocScrutinizer05, I implemented only new command via pipe protocol
15:32.45Paliso if apt-worker does not wait for something from pipe, it does not know that HAM was exited
15:33.25DocScrutinizer05well, as long as apt-worker has no filehandles on modify/write
15:33.44Palihttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager/commit/b3b3567563c30d47b8a02fe6dc38a59d1a63a5ea
15:33.49Palihttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager/commit/1125cbbd2ca3a0644f684ec6ba2eaa44df5dad53
15:34.08Palionly this was implemented ^^
15:34.20DocScrutinizer05I'd just hate apt-worker corrupting my files
15:35.15lufEven with redpill I see no ssu update :(
15:35.37Palifirst patch checking for cancel command in operation "parse packages" --> this is only read only operation
15:35.42kerioluf: do you see the settings menu?
15:35.43DocScrutinizer05you need to config it
15:36.16Palisecond patch adding new command quit, so HAM can tell apt-worked to quit, when apt-worked doing nothing
15:36.19lufYes I unset wrong domains.
15:36.32kerioluf: are you *sure*
15:36.33lufI'm trying it once again.
15:36.38kerioi'd do another refresh
15:36.47lufkerio: sure. I checked it.
15:37.02lufYes. I restarted HAM once again and I'm waiting now.
15:37.54DocScrutinizer05waiting is good for you ;-)
15:38.03lufI see more now.
15:38.21lufDocScrutinizer05: trust me. It's not good for me :D
15:39.55topro_ok, giving up. rmo is really broken
15:40.21topro_going red-pill as suggested
15:40.49luftopro_: it's the only way :(
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15:43.02kerioluf: =D
15:43.34kerioDocScrutinizer05: couldn't we configure skeiron or maemo-archive to offer the appropriate paths when asked for repository.maemo.org?
15:43.45kerioso you could change /etc/hosts and HAM would be happy
15:43.57lufCan't some CDN sponsore maemo?
15:44.09kerioluf: coralcdn is free anyway
15:45.00lufI think that repos should be cached there ...
15:45.20DocScrutinizer05kerio: already duely noted by brkn
15:45.22lufBTW update Maemo 5 -> It's not from Nokia do you want to continue? :D :D :D
15:45.47topro_hmm, i get hash sums mismatch on one file when using the suggested mirror
15:46.25DocScrutinizer05(cdn) yes, warfare will check our options on monday
15:46.33DocScrutinizer05enters parrot mode
15:46.38lufDocScrutinizer05: great ...
15:46.49kerioDocScrutinizer05: are we paying warfare?
15:46.55DocScrutinizer05no
15:47.06keriothen let's make him work on sunday too! :D
15:47.19DocScrutinizer05we never could afford such a wizard
15:47.56kerioovertime pay is 1.5 or 2 times the usual rate, isn't it
15:48.33ludenswow the ELPA is prett amazing. compiled the latest org-mode build inside emacs
15:49.01DocScrutinizer05?
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15:49.56eddybis there any way I can get the cmt-firmware-rx51 .deb file or the /boot/cmtImage-10w08 file?
15:50.40kerioeddyb: it's in the nokia ssu repo
15:51.24kerioeddyb: you'll need the user/pass that are stored in /etc/apt/auth
15:51.31kerio...or maybe you could look in some mirrors
15:51.41keriobut nobody told you that
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15:51.44eddybkerio: how can I use the device to download the .deb file?
15:52.01kerioeddyb: isn't it already installed?
15:52.25keriooh, it's one of those "install, flash and remove"
15:52.30eddybmhmm
15:52.37eddybthe file in /boot is missing
15:52.46kerioit's supposed to be missing
15:52.48kerioit's flashed
15:53.02eddybyeah, that's why I want to get the .deb file
15:53.05keriooic
15:53.08kerioeddyb: sudo apt-get install --reinstall --download-only cmt-firmware-rx51
15:53.16eddybheh thanks :D
15:53.17kerioand then grab the .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives/
15:53.30eddybthat's exactly what I was looking for
15:53.42eddybalso, do you happen to know if anyone tried reverse engineering that image?
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15:54.00DocScrutinizer05haha
15:54.30topro_~mirrors
15:54.30infobot[mirror] http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
15:54.32DocScrutinizer05do you have datasheets of BB5?
15:55.11DocScrutinizer05and even if you had, you can't flash patched or altered images to cmt/BB5
15:55.45DocScrutinizer05which renders all RE kinda useless academic effort
15:56.12DocScrutinizer05unless you're actually just hunting for info/knowledge
15:56.24Paliisnt cmt image signed?
15:56.28DocScrutinizer05yep
15:56.34eddybDocScrutinizer05: I'm mostly curious
15:56.36DocScrutinizer05that's why
15:56.44Paliwith downgrade protection too?
15:56.46DocScrutinizer05ask jacekowski then
15:56.56DocScrutinizer05Pali: iirc yes
15:57.31kerioDocScrutinizer05: until we find a bug in the signature verification :)
15:57.34kerioor some kind of attack vector
15:58.01eddybsigned as in public/private key-pair, and the private key is in a buried 10m thick steel safe, somewhere in Finland :D?
15:58.03DocScrutinizer05we had that issue with leaked PR1.2-asia which updated cmt and downgrading the rootfs created an incompatibility
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15:58.26kerioeddyb: maybe
15:58.34DocScrutinizer05not maybe, exactly
15:58.44kerioDocScrutinizer05: we don't actually know if it's nokia that holds the private key
15:59.01keriounless we know that because they're required to by some regulations
15:59.02DocScrutinizer05err, yes we do
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15:59.16keriomaybe it was subcontractors!
15:59.29DocScrutinizer05since the guys were able to create updates
15:59.57Pali-rw-r--r-- root/root   6567893 2010-03-02 11:10 ./boot/cmtImage-10w08
16:00.04Pali6MB?
16:00.15DocScrutinizer05sounds pretty small
16:00.15PaliRE not possible...
16:00.57DocScrutinizer05it's probably only the filesystem with a few configs
16:01.26Paliwhat?
16:01.42Palifilesystem?
16:01.47eddybI remember looking at the wiki, why is there no actual info on the GSM/3G hardware stuff?
16:01.47Paliin that firmware?
16:02.19DocScrutinizer05eddyb: you didn't find it
16:02.31Pali/boot/cmtImage-10w08 is FIASCO image
16:02.50eddybDocScrutinizer05: I blame google trying to be a smartass
16:02.54DocScrutinizer05amazingly small
16:02.55Palicontains parts: cmt-2nd cmt-algo cmt-mcusw
16:03.27Palicmt-2nd, version BB5_09.36, size 81408 bytes
16:03.35topro_<PROTECTED>
16:03.35DocScrutinizer05pfff
16:03.43Palicmt-algo,  version BB5_09.36, size 519808 bytes
16:03.46eddybDocScrutinizer05: this? http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic#Page_13_RF_Part
16:03.52DocScrutinizer05that's basically BB5's NOLO
16:04.02Palicmt-mcusw, version rx51_ICPR82_10w08, size 5966464 bytes
16:04.24PaliDocScrutinizer05, why there are 3 parts of cmt firmware?
16:04.36DocScrutinizer05that might be an extremely downsized radio stack
16:06.03DocScrutinizer05Pali: I already told you what's 2nd and algo
16:06.30Palibut why are separated files?
16:06.32DocScrutinizer05mcusw is probably MicroControllerUnit
16:06.56eddybSoftWare
16:07.01DocScrutinizer05because that are separate cpu cores
16:08.18DocScrutinizer05Pali: BB5 has an ARM, a DSP, and some auxiliary MCU cores
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16:08.34eddybDocScrutinizer05: I'm only seeing "Aura - Vapaus, ... Cellphone components."
16:09.31DocScrutinizer05what are you looking for?
16:09.35DocScrutinizer05rapuyama?
16:09.59eddybyour description of BB5 sounds promising, but that's about it
16:10.23DocScrutinizer05there IS NO datasheet about BB5
16:10.33eddybDocScrutinizer05: except I have no clue what Rapuyama means/is
16:10.46DocScrutinizer05rapuyama == BB5
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16:10.51DocScrutinizer05== cmt
16:10.52eddyboh
16:11.12eddybsee, if you hadn't told me that, there was no way to find out from the wiki, at least in the places I've looked
16:11.56eddybhttp://www.gsmrapid.com/showthread.php?t=4957 this looks like a complete SoC
16:12.37eddyblike it was designed to be the only SoC in a phone or something
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16:13.00eddybso, uhm, the firmware has ARM code?
16:13.25DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Phone
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16:13.59kerioeddyb: yep, it's designed to be the SoC for a dumbphone
16:14.06DocScrutinizer05eddyb: yes, that page is about what you can find regarding BB5 internals
16:14.12keriothe n900 is not a phone, it's a computer with an embedded phone :D
16:14.44kerio~cmt
16:14.57kerio~useless
16:14.57infobotACTION starts crying and hides from kerio in the darkest corner of the room. :(
16:15.24eddybDocScrutinizer05: yeah, I read that page, and the only interesting info there is "V ICPR82_10w08"
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16:21.04PaliICPR82_10w08 is version of rx51 cmt-mcusw image
16:23.12DocScrutinizer05eddyb: you can find specs of ISI interface to BB5. Everything else is mostly useless since you neither can reasonably disassemble nor patch and flash
16:23.27eddybwhy can't I disassemble?
16:23.42eddybis the image compressed/encrypted?
16:23.57eddybalso, where is signature verification done? resident firmware in that SoC?
16:24.06DocScrutinizer05you can, but what's the use of seeing things like "move 0xFF43 to reg 167" ?
16:24.41DocScrutinizer05you seen that block schematics on gsmrapid? you noticed the block labeled "security"?
16:24.53eddybhehe
16:25.17eddyband you can learn a lot of things from register writes
16:25.37DocScrutinizer05also ask freemangordon about general ARM security concept
16:25.47eddybwho would bother to obfuscate hardware accesses?
16:26.03eddybs/writes/writes and/or reads/
16:26.06DocScrutinizer05sorry, I'm EE and that starts boring me
16:26.55DocScrutinizer05you don't learn *anything* if you don't know the hw you're talking to
16:27.08eddybUART read/write routines are somewhat easy to spot
16:27.21DocScrutinizer05*shrug*
16:27.36eddybDocScrutinizer05: you assume opaque code
16:28.03eddybbut code is written by humans, and only slightly modified by machines
16:28.09DocScrutinizer05and what are you assuming? comments?
16:28.40eddybI am assuming I will continue working on my decompiler
16:28.55DocScrutinizer05you have NFC how the custom DSP in rapu works
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16:29.36DocScrutinizer05so UART might actually be the only code you're able to decifer
16:30.31DocScrutinizer05MIPI-HSI already you're lacking proper datasheets for
16:31.11DocScrutinizer05and on radio stack you're utterly lost
16:32.02DocScrutinizer05maybe you could tackle the GPS chip control
16:32.13DocScrutinizer05*might* be feasible
16:32.26DocScrutinizer05partially
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16:34.25DocScrutinizer05never gets the catch why people are interested in RE of a complex radio stack like in BB5. When they could start googling for osmocom
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16:34.57PaliDocScrutinizer05, so bb5 is arm soc chip?
16:35.05Paliintegrated into n900?
16:35.09DocScrutinizer05yes
16:35.31eddybhmmmm
16:36.05Paliand omap soc can communicate with bb5 via SSI?
16:36.07eddybso my archiver opened the firmware as text, so I took a quick look
16:36.15eddybMax RLC window size: %d receiving window size: %d, configurationOK: FALSE
16:36.22DocScrutinizer05McBSP but yeah
16:36.24eddybSimultaneous reception of SCCPCH and DPCH is not supported - configurationOK: FALSE
16:36.34eddybtalk about comments, hehe
16:36.55eddybBMC info trace (RRC) : Output bit set - repetition of requested message
16:37.27Palicmt-mcusw_rx51_ICPR82_10w08 image is ARM code?
16:37.52Palithere is some header Elf2flash 08.37.001
16:37.53DocScrutinizer05now excite me an dpretend you can RE a whole WCDMA/GSM radio stack with those diagnostic output strings
16:38.27Palithere is also header PRIMAPP and PAPUBKEYS
16:38.38Paliwhich is X-Loader format certificate
16:38.49Paliwith signature
16:38.54eddybDocScrutinizer05: nah, but it helps to have a ton of debug strings left in :P
16:38.59DocScrutinizer05it's a standard ARM system, so what?
16:39.18DocScrutinizer05of course it's using X-Loader
16:40.09PaliDocScrutinizer05, there is still no exploit for omap HS devices?
16:40.20DocScrutinizer05no, not afaik
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16:40.34DocScrutinizer05the security guys did a decent job
16:40.56DocScrutinizer05btw BB6 most likely isn't omap
16:41.04DocScrutinizer05BB5*
16:41.34DocScrutinizer05it's ARM BB5, not ARM OMAP
16:41.43PaliI did not belive that nokia did decent job - wrote bootloader X-loader & NOLO without security errors
16:42.31Paliwe can see lot of problems in maemo and harmattan...
16:43.22DocScrutinizer05ROMBL and probably even x-loader isn't written by Nokia
16:43.45eddybPali: you're using 0xFFFF for unpack that image, right? I see you own the gitorious repo
16:43.46DocScrutinizer05even NOLO is a perverted uBoot
16:44.08Palieddyb, yes
16:44.21PaliDocScrutinizer05, NOLO is not uBoot
16:44.31Palithere is noting common in binary
16:44.48Paliand it is Nokia X-Loader
16:45.45DocScrutinizer05is searching an empty spot on his wall full of of tally charts, to add another scratch for another useless "we wanna RE the GSM radiostack" discussion
16:47.37DocScrutinizer05Pali: (nothing common) you bet there's othing, otherwise my friend Harald would come onto them. That's why I said "*perverted* uBoot"
16:48.35DocScrutinizer05and x-loader code is always based on that refernce implementation by TI(?)
16:48.56DocScrutinizer05or even ARM
16:48.59Palireference implementation by TI?
16:49.23Paliso this could be something closed...
16:49.34PaliI did not see it yet
16:50.22DocScrutinizer05it's maybe not exactly open source
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16:50.44DocScrutinizer05but all chip manufs get it and hand it to their customers
16:51.08DocScrutinizer05it's probably hardly ever changed much
16:51.28DocScrutinizer05ask jacekowski
16:51.32PaliDocScrutinizer05, is NOLO doing someting with cmt?
16:51.38DocScrutinizer05sure
16:51.47Paliping jacekowski
16:52.41PaliI'm thinking if will replace NOLO with uboot if cellular modem will be working or not
16:52.58DocScrutinizer05Pali: the proper syntax is: >> <nickname>: ping
16:53.07Paliif kernel/userspace has enought code to start up and configure it
16:53.22Palijacekowski: ping
16:53.50DocScrutinizer05Pali: it probably will just delay cmt bootup
16:54.16DocScrutinizer05usually in uBoot/Nolo and userland/kernel initialization gets duplicated
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16:55.17DocScrutinizer05I'd be surprised if not already NOLO would power up cmt
16:55.37DocScrutinizer05and set up the interfaces to it
16:55.48PaliDocScrutinizer05, in nolo console there is command for cmt bootup
16:55.57eddyb/nokia/sa_nmp/groups/dss/BB5_flash_algos-next/BB5_flash_algos/common_services/flash_msg.c
16:55.59DocScrutinizer05yep, thought as much
16:56.03Paliso this is reason why I asked if it will be possible
16:56.22eddybthat's fun, file names
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16:56.42DocScrutinizer05so what's fun in that?
16:56.53DocScrutinizer05you want proper coredumps at least
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16:59.19DocScrutinizer05~wiki osmocom
16:59.53DocScrutinizer05hmm thought as much
16:59.57DocScrutinizer05~wiki osmocombb
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17:00.25eddybhaha
17:00.35eddybthere's C code in mcusw
17:00.47eddybprobably from some kind of assert
17:01.02kerio~useless
17:01.03infobotACTION starts crying and hides from kerio in the darkest corner of the room. :(
17:01.57DocScrutinizer05~attack kerio
17:01.58infobotACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing kerio
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17:02.45eddyb(list1 != NULL && list2 != NULL) && ((list1->no_of_freqs > 0 && list1->freqs != NULL) || list1->no_of_freqs == 0) && ((list2->no_of_freqs > 0 && list2->freqs != NULL) || list2->no_of_freqs == 0)
17:02.46DocScrutinizer05meh, got some serious stuff to do
17:03.25eddybyou can probably make up partial structure definition just from all these strings
17:03.52DocScrutinizer05emphasis on 'make up'
17:05.28DocScrutinizer05seems to recall compilers sometimes doing that: fill unititialized areas with random cruft which often is sourcecode
17:07.03DocScrutinizer05o/
17:07.08DocScrutinizer05l8rs
17:07.16eddybnah, this is from a stringifing macro
17:07.21eddybASSERT usually does that
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17:09.49eddyball the code looks like asserted expressions, but you can correlate the actual code checking the expression and the code in the string
17:11.49DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
17:12.06DocScrutinizer05shall I give FW another reboot before I leave?
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17:12.32keriowhy leave? :(
17:12.34DocScrutinizer05magic limit is 18h uptime
17:13.04DocScrutinizer05kerio: because I actually have a life, though most don't believe that
17:13.11keriodoesn't believe that
17:13.50DocScrutinizer05and that BB% talk kinda bored me a little
17:14.23DocScrutinizer05leads nowhere, always
17:14.51DocScrutinizer05so, shall I?
17:16.54DocScrutinizer05meh, I did
17:16.57DocScrutinizer05o/
17:17.32kerio\o
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17:51.21eddybPali: how do you make sense of the header in mcusw?
17:52.07Palieddyb, find on inernet X-Loader image format
17:52.32Paliyou will see that mcusw has similar/same header
17:52.46eddybplease don't tell me google didn't gave me the right results because I didn't use a hyphen
17:53.52Paliit is somewhere on and-developers.com
17:54.00Palimotorola using omap3 too
17:54.09Paliso needs same x-loader image headers
17:54.21eddybnot this? https://github.com/bradfa/x-loader
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17:57.07Palino
17:57.25PaliOmap HS X-Loader specification is not public
17:57.51Paliinformation about certificates & signatures for HS devices are not public
17:58.02Paliwhat I found was some RE info on and-developers.com
17:58.12jacekowskii've got signing software
17:58.22Paliha, here it is: http://and-developers.com/partitions:isw
17:59.06jacekowskihttps://maemo.jacekowski.org/tools/
17:59.08Palijacekowski, I think that it is possible to download signing SW from TI after registration
17:59.13eddybPali: thanks, that's much better
17:59.13jacekowskithis thing can sign the software
17:59.20Palibut there is no infomration about formats
17:59.24jacekowskibut you need the keys
17:59.33Palino information about HS devices registers...
18:00.18keriolet's ship something in cssu that silently bruteforces the signing key for cmt
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18:00.55Palikerio, better will be signing key for X-Loader
18:01.06eddybkerio: hihihi
18:01.21Palibut we have nothing which can check if signature is correct
18:01.38Paliwe do not have public key (which is burned into cpu)
18:01.57Paliwhat we have is signature glued into X-Loader binary
18:02.00kerioclearly, we'll have to constantly try to flash the signed firmwares :D
18:02.30eddybPali: oh
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18:03.41jacekowskinolo does some checking
18:03.55jacekowskibut i don't remember if it was just checking if checksum is correct or signature
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18:18.07Palijacekowski, what is NOLO doing with cmt?
18:18.17Paliit is something which is in kernel/userspace too?
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18:24.31eddybPali: I'm confused... the file is 0x5B0A80 bytes long, but the last entry ends at about 0x901B22
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18:31.00eddybPali: and the first one starts at 0x5F000, so there should be 0x8A2B22 bytes in the file
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18:35.37nussehi
18:36.46nussei bought a used n900, flashed RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, enabled rd-mode, tried to run apt-get dist-upgrade, phone rebooted and now i get "no initfs"
18:36.53nusseand i faile to flash again
18:36.57nussewhat to do now?
18:37.33kerionusse: haven't you noticed that dist-upgrade asked you to delete ~260 packages?
18:37.38keriodid you think that it was normal?
18:37.53keriono initfs is normal, but the hell if you're going to be able to boot
18:37.57kerioflash again
18:38.42keriobtw, you flashed the wrong one
18:38.45nussekerio: kerio it hasnt installed anything, was still downloading, it wasnt deleting 260 packages i think
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18:38.54nussedid i? please point me to the correct images
18:39.15kerioRX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Latest Maemo 5 Global
18:39.15nusseright now i can't make the flasher recognize the phone, it just sits in "no initfs"
18:39.37kerioand RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC
18:39.49kerioso yeah, you've got the right VANILLA
18:40.02kerionusse: hm, i doubt you managed to fuck up the bootloader
18:40.18kerioare you absolutely sure that the flasher doesn't recognize the n900 anymore?
18:40.26nusseno
18:40.31nusseof course not
18:40.34kerioremove the battery, connect the usb cable, launch the flasher with the appropriate command, hold u, put the battery in
18:40.57nussea usb device is showing up
18:41.06nusseNew USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=0106
18:42.05kerioyay
18:42.18kerioremember to follow the flashing guide quite closely
18:42.36kerioremove the battery between each flashing step
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18:43.25nussethat doesnt mean the flasher recognizes anything ;)
18:45.43kerionusse: not even dist-upgrade can fuck a n900 up enough to require coldflashing
18:45.45nussehttp://ix.io/4fx
18:46.02kerioare you using linux? blacklist cdc_phonet
18:46.07keriotry another usb cable
18:46.26nusseno such module loaded
18:46.36kerioyeah but blacklist it
18:46.47kerioautoloaders have a tendency to fuck this kind of thing up
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18:49.07nussei havent even compiled it
18:49.42nusseso it recognizes something and puts it into flash mode but then nothing happens
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18:52.15Skrytry as root
18:52.34SkryI had quite restrictive permissions on Arch by default
18:53.30nussei'm root
18:53.44nussei did successfully flash it 4h ago
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18:56.38Palinusse, try to use usb1.0 or usb1.1 port
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18:57.13PaliI have big problems with my usb3.0 ports and sometimes usb2.0 port does not working too
18:57.14nussei'll try another computer
18:57.45Palinusse, and also: for eMMC flashing you need to have working rootfs
18:58.00Paliis your phone bootable?
18:58.15Paliif not, then rootfs is not working
18:58.23Paliso you cannot flash eMMC image
18:58.57eddybPali: I'm probably late. but I found something interesting at 0x87AF
18:59.36nussePali: no it is not booting
18:59.55Palinusse: do: first flash combined image, reboot - but do not boot!, then flash eMMC image, reboot and then flash combined image again
19:00.04eddybPali: also something similar at 0xFFE1
19:00.33Palieddyb: really, I'm not interesting in cmt firmware
19:00.44Paliit is something which I do not want to replace on my n900
19:01.12Paliit is also not possible due to strong signing key
19:01.32eddybPali: I'm trying to make sense of the values listed in the header
19:02.17Palieddyb, I think that mcusw file is: some mcusw header, then x-loader header and then data
19:02.25nussepali: yep, its working :)
19:02.41Palieddyb, but information is useless
19:02.41nussePali: how can the initfs geht lost?
19:03.08Palinusse: nokia decided to not use initfs anymore
19:03.10nusseshall i boot between flashing or not?
19:03.19nussePali: k
19:03.24eddybPali: yepp, and the x-loader header has triplets (offset, length, name). but I'm not sure how the offset works
19:03.26Palino you should not boot between flashing
19:03.43nusseso i wait some seconds and remove the battery?
19:03.58Paliif you boot phone between reboots you break phone again...
19:04.24nusseok
19:04.29Palinusse, after eMMC flashing is done, try reboot command from flasher
19:04.41Pali(if reboot command will not work, remove battery)
19:04.41nusseusing -R?
19:04.54nussebut i flash the combined after that?
19:05.12Palicorrect order is: combined, emmc, combined
19:05.39nusseyeah, understood that
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19:07.23ludenshaha i just tried to do 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
19:07.44ludensit wanted remove all installed packages and install 5 new ones
19:09.35nusseso it seems to be booting, how do i upgrade now?
19:09.54kerionusse: now you have PR1.3 installed
19:10.05eddybgaaah
19:10.16kerionusse: you decided to do this in the midst of a bigass server migration
19:10.52kerioso you have to set some mirrors up
19:10.52eddybthere's random NOLO strings throughout the first few KBs of the image. it's like "YOLO" staring at me
19:10.52nussei tried to use a mirror
19:11.02kerionusse: HAM won't like that, though
19:11.05kerioso you have to tell it to stfu
19:11.07nussei used apt-get
19:11.21kerioyeah but you weren't supposed to use dist-upgrade :)
19:11.28Palinusse, what do you want to upgrade?
19:11.30nusseupgrading is not possible btw without mount --bind something from mydocs to /var/cache/apt/archives
19:11.31Paliyou have now last version
19:11.43kerionusse: /var/cache/apt is already in /opt
19:11.51kerioand you don't need to upgrade much, really
19:11.54kerioit'll fit
19:12.12nussereally?
19:12.29nussei guess since 2010 there were a lot of bugs
19:12.39Paliyes, already fixed
19:12.58nusseso i do want to upgrade?
19:13.10Paliwhat do you want to upgrade?
19:13.18kerionusse: the only upgrade from nokia is just a security fix that's also included in cssu
19:13.30Palinusse: only upgrade is to cssu
19:13.41Pali~cssu
19:13.41infoboti guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
19:15.05nusseah okay, so i want cssu
19:15.09kerioyep
19:15.10nussethx
19:15.34kerionusse: follow the installation steps closely
19:15.37nussei've been just using the old n900 for two years not reinstalling anything, so i have no clue
19:15.38kerioespecially the installation of backupmenu
19:16.28nussedo i need backups? i could just reflash
19:16.37keriorestoring a backup is a lot faster :)
19:16.48nusseah no, flashing took maybe 5mins
19:17.03kerioand you can make one after installing cssu, too
19:17.09kerioand before tinkering with the system
19:17.13kerioand after tinkering with the system
19:17.24nusseno, i'm lazy
19:17.35nussebut repository.maemo.org seems still down
19:17.46kerioit's up, but so slow that it seems down
19:17.50keriowhich is possibly even worse
19:18.22kerioadd a mirror repo for extras
19:18.29kerioinstall backupmenu
19:18.46kerioyou could do it in your sources.list, so you don't have to wait for HAM to do its thing
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19:24.44nussewhat do i install after adding the extras repo?
19:25.25kerio"backupmenu"
19:25.33kerioseriously, it's good
19:25.52kerioinstall it, shut down, boot with the keyboard open, select backupmenu
19:26.10kerio(always backup both rootfs and optfs)
19:30.12nussecommunity-ssu-enabler :)
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19:30.55kerionusse: to install cssu, enable a cssu mirror, install community-ssu-enabler, run community-ssu-enabler, update with HAM
19:31.01kerioor update with apt-get and then reboot
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19:35.57nussekerio: thx
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19:42.14lokimotivehey
19:43.33keriohey
19:48.54nusseso community-ssu-enabler removed the mirror i added and added maemo.org again
19:49.40Palicommunity-ssu-enabler adding its own repository
19:49.50Paliinto "trusted" database
19:49.58keriohm, it shouldn't remove the mirror... oh, did you add it to the file in sources.list.d?
19:50.04keriothat file gets overwritten by HAM all the time
19:50.23kerionusse: HAM won't let you update from a mirror unless you tell it to do so
19:50.57Palikerio, it removing only "http://repository.maemo.org/community/" repositories
19:53.25nussecan i install cssu without that crappy enabler? :)
19:56.43kerionusse: you've ran the enabler
19:56.44kerioit's ok
19:56.54kerionow just add a mirror
19:56.58kerioand upgrade
19:57.55kerioeither do it with apt, but it's unsupported
19:58.22kerioor enable HAM's redpill mode and disable "ignore packages from wrong domains" but it's unsupported too
19:58.35kerioor wait until warfare sets up cloudflare for rmo
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20:00.50DocScrutinizer05kerio: don't spread fud
20:01.27kerioDocScrutinizer05: see #maemo-ssu backscroll
20:01.44kerioalso i thought you were away and you had a life and all sorts of stuff like that :P
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20:06.38WizardNumberNextvery strange thing: I cannot charge, while n900 is on-on. It happily charge, while it is off and while bateery is almost full, bur not anywhere below 85%
20:07.17keriothat is strange, indeed
20:07.26WizardNumberNextit is third time it is happening
20:07.33kerioWizardNumberNext: try using a different charger
20:07.51keriomaybe the cable is busted and can't sustain a high enough current
20:07.54WizardNumberNexttwo "different" chargers
20:08.01WizardNumberNextI have two of each
20:08.05WizardNumberNextAC-10X
20:08.23WizardNumberNextAC-3X AC-8X and desktop
20:08.36WizardNumberNextand obviously computer
20:08.44WizardNumberNextwould start with computer and see
20:08.47keriohow do you know that it's not charging?
20:08.57WizardNumberNextAC-3X is too weak and doesn't move it
20:09.11WizardNumberNextchecking bq27200
20:09.26WizardNumberNextnot to mention pernament green led
20:09.50keriothe green led is bme
20:09.54kerioor, rather, hald-addon-bme
20:09.55WizardNumberNextI have changed my led-pattern for chraging to red-orange-yellow-green
20:10.20WizardNumberNextI know - I think it might be bme fault, but...
20:10.48WizardNumberNextwhile I plug charger OS is getting up (till some point) anyway or at least it looks like
20:11.00WizardNumberNextbut in this state it charges
20:11.36lokimotiveare the ntfs drivers included with kernel-power51?
20:11.49keriolokimotive: wtf are ntfs drivers?
20:12.05Palintfs is included
20:12.06WizardNumberNexthe meant ntfs fs driver
20:12.10WizardNumberNextrather module
20:12.10keriothere's no such thing, or at least there should be no such thing
20:12.17keriothere's FUSE
20:12.27kerioPali: ew, the read-only one?
20:12.29Paliyes there is kernel driver
20:12.35WizardNumberNextkerie: too later - it started to charge now
20:12.38lokimotivehm
20:12.42Paliby default yes
20:12.42lokimotivecrap
20:12.51WizardNumberNextor at least was trying to
20:12.55Palibut you can mount it into rw mode too
20:13.07kerioPali: no, i mean, the one that's heavily suggested to be used read-only
20:13.22Paliyes that
20:13.47DocScrutinizer05kerio: so what's to see on #maemo-ssu? That a silly service provider has bizzare ideas about domain ownership?
20:14.01nussekerio: 168 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded
20:14.16kerionusse: is this with an "apt-get upgrade"?
20:14.17WizardNumberNextkerio: on computer it doesn't charge as well
20:14.21nussekerio: yes
20:14.23kerioyou should really use HAM for this
20:14.32nussebut i'm not sure wether cssu is really enabled
20:14.42kerionusse: apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr
20:14.49kerioit should be installed with version 0 or something
20:14.57DocScrutinizer05i'm not sure you ran cssu-enabler
20:15.50DocScrutinizer05[2013-02-02 20:53:25] <nusse> can i install cssu without that crappy enabler? :)
20:15.52DocScrutinizer05[2013-02-02 20:56:42] <kerio> nusse: you've ran the enabler
20:15.53DocScrutinizer05[2013-02-02 20:56:44] <kerio> it's ok
20:16.05kerioDocScrutinizer05: he doesn't have the repos anymore!
20:16.12kerio...except that maybe i was dead wrong
20:16.18keriothe repos are added by postinst
20:16.40Paliinstalling cssu can be installed only by enabler
20:16.43kerionusse: run "sudo community-ssu-enabler"
20:16.59Palienabler doing all needed
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20:17.11kerioPali: except setting up mirrors and telling HAM to ignore domains
20:17.16Paligpg key, ham catalogue
20:17.31Palimetapackage
20:17.46kerioPali: are you sure? i thought that repos and domains were added by the postinst, and the enabler binary did the metapackage thing
20:18.01PaliI mean enabler package
20:18.18wirrbtw, why nokia still haven't signed their repo with admin@maemo.research.nokia.com?
20:18.38nussekerio: "already enabled"
20:18.43keriowirr: because they're something that can't be expressed in a public, publicly-logged channel
20:18.54Paliwirr, because some manager in nokia must tell to developers: you can do that
20:19.07kerionusse: you'll have to do this with HAM, i'm afraid
20:19.17nussei think i dont like ham
20:19.54kerionusse: put "red-pill 1" "red-pill-ignore-wrong-domains 0" "red-pill-permanent 1" in three lines in ~/.osso/hildon-application-manager
20:20.14wirrwonders why he even asked...
20:20.15kerio(without quotes)
20:20.18nusseapplication manager show an cssu update
20:20.27kerionusse: ...does it? :o
20:20.33Paliis r.m.o down??
20:20.46kerioPali: rmo is slow enough to be somewhat useless right now
20:20.47kerioat least for me
20:21.52nussenokia pc suite, wtf
20:22.01kerionusse: indeed
20:22.05nusse"to update your device to this version you must use nokia pc suite"
20:22.06kerionusse: close ham
20:22.11keriowait for it to actually close
20:22.25keriothen create ~/.osso/hildon-application-manager as i said
20:22.29nusseok
20:23.27kerio(i assume you want to install community-testing)
20:25.10nusseyes :)
20:25.32keriothen you'll have to also add an extras-testing or extras-devel mirror
20:25.50keriobecause there's a problem in the current cssu-testing
20:26.12lokimotivecould it be that there are problems with cssu-thumb and usb-mode?
20:29.02kerioadd an extras-testing mirror, add a community-testing mirror, disable the standard community-testing, disable that extras mirror, wait 20 to 30 minutes for HAM to do whatever it thinks it should be doing, refresh, do system upgrade
20:33.18Palilxp1: ping
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20:36.22nussekerio: i should be able to do all that also using vi and apt-get
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20:38.49iluminator105where is openssh package for n900, its not being found by my repos
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21:10.11lufNice :D
21:10.13lufGet:28 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages [26,9MB]
21:10.13luf11% [28 Packages 3842283/26,9MB 14%]                      241B/s 1d 13h16min30s
21:10.25keriohahaha
21:10.30lufI think kerio adviced to be patient and calm :D
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21:25.07eddybhah
21:25.13eddybwhat's this? http://www.52rd.com/bbs/Dispbbs.asp?BoardID=8&ID=132730
21:25.18WizardNumberNextluf: you are a lot further then me
21:26.01lufWizardNumberNext: I'm just waiting 2 hours ... :D
21:26.30WizardNumberNextI chisgarged my battery twice
21:26.50lufI'm using net over usb :D
21:26.57WizardNumberNexts/chisgarged/discharged/
21:27.16WizardNumberNextmight an idea
21:27.28WizardNumberNexts/might/might be/
21:28.16WizardNumberNextsorry my brain is dead whole day and even 2 litres of extra-strong green tea doesn't help
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21:28.51WizardNumberNextmight be becoming zombie
21:29.03lufWizardNumberNext: :D Nothing helps better than sleeping :D
21:29.21WizardNumberNextluf: an hour after waking up?
21:30.16WizardNumberNextok, now it is 12 hours, but my brain should be pretty much alive for next 2 days on that amount of green tea
21:30.17lokimotives//x/
21:30.34lokimotive:(
21:30.42WizardNumberNextlokimotive: what the hell are you trying to do?
21:30.53lokimotivesorry i just had to try
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21:31.09WizardNumberNextexchange nothin for somthing - I wish i could do that!
21:31.21WizardNumberNextwould be very nice
21:31.26WizardNumberNextI would be rich
21:31.32WizardNumberNexts//money/
21:32.18WizardNumberNextlokimotive - I have to try it out on real sed
21:32.36WizardNumberNextbut I m afraid I would run out of paper soon
21:32.57WizardNumberNextink - I have for another 750 sheets
21:34.16lokimotiveexaclty 750 sheets?
21:34.26lokimotives/exaclty/exactly/
21:34.32lokimotivetehee
21:34.53lufWizardNumberNext: it's the worst one hour after waking up :D
21:34.58WizardNumberNextnot sure - I have put something like 300-350 sheets into drawer
21:38.03WizardNumberNextI had 500, how much i have now? No idea, but, when I would use all this, then I still would have ink for another 500 sheets. I have office monster
21:38.54kerioeddyb: what's that?
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21:39.06lokimotivehm i need a laser printer
21:39.23eddybkerio: nothing interesting, sadly
21:39.49WizardNumberNextlokimotive: mine is HP OJ PRO 8500A Plus (910N)
21:39.57WizardNumberNextsorry 910A
21:40.42lokimotiveatm i only have an hp deskjet and every time i set it up either only scanning works or only printing
21:41.55WizardNumberNextmine does everything
21:42.11WizardNumberNextbut I have spend more then 100 after finding it on street
21:43.50WizardNumberNextwas worth every single pence I spend on it - new from hp is 280gbp
21:44.31lokimotive:)
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22:24.34lokimotiveis the extras-devel repo reachable?
22:24.47wirr~mirrors
22:24.47infoboti heard mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
22:26.00lokimotivehm my problem is that if i try to install cssu i get an error that packages are missing
22:26.21lokimotivei have the mirror the list though
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22:26.31lokimotiveextras and extras-devel that i
22:26.38lokimotives
22:42.59keriolokimotive: a working extrAh crap
22:43.18kerioPali: this shit right here is the reason we should get rid of HAM domains
22:44.08Palikerio, and what will solve this?
22:44.09keriolokimotive: enable redpill mode, disable "ignore packages from wrong domains", do it again
22:44.12Paliinstalling cssu not!
22:44.23keriospeaking like yoda, you are
22:44.40kerioPali: it's for the *next* time rmo goes down
22:44.52keriobesides, you'd still get a confirmation message
22:45.45Palikerio, instead enable red pill mode, write info how to edit ham domain file
22:46.43kerioPali: i suppose that those mirrors should provide a package rhat adds the repo officially
22:47.17Palikerio, so write this to mirror admins
22:48.02kerioor maybe HAM could stop being annoying and ask the user
22:48.15keriothese mirrors were provided for free, ffs
22:51.01Palikerio, write patch for HAM
22:54.05lokimotivelet me guess, ham is closed source?
22:55.02M4rtinKnope
22:55.32M4rtinKyou can enjoy its source in its whole horrible beauty :)
22:55.56lokimotivehehe
23:00.44Palilokimotive, HAM is fully open source, and reading source code causing hair loss :D
23:04.08kerioPali: haha, this will be much easier than i thought
23:04.27keriosrc/settings.cc, line 54
23:04.37kerios/true/false/
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23:10.04keriowrote the patch
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23:38.41lufAfter several hours: Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages                    
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23:42.19anthony1hello
23:42.20RiDanthony1 are you trying to say "selling blackberry" ?
23:42.40anthony1yes
23:43.04anthony1i'm speek englis
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