| 00:00.32 | FIQ | /ban #maemo *!*@* |
| 00:01.39 | Estel_ | you can rest assured that no one will care (too much) and, in practice, you may do whatever you want here, including enforcing your totally childish views on freedom of speech as "what irritates me is bad". I won't give away freedom of expressing my opinions (politely, without calling names etcj, just because some funny guy try to shake his ban-hat at me. That's about it, "methinks" |
| 00:02.21 | M4rtinK | Estel, is this really necessary ? |
| 00:02.30 | FIQ | trolololololol |
| 00:02.37 | M4rtinK | doesn't sound very constructive to me |
| 00:02.52 | M4rtinK | FIQ: well, yeah |
| 00:03.20 | merlin1991 | hm 1400B/s, this is never going to finish |
| 00:03.54 | M4rtinK | merlin1991: the index download was fast, but the package download is very slow |
| 00:04.08 | merlin1991 | M4rtinK: it's an index dl |
| 00:04.11 | LinuxCode | yeh I estimate 10-20kb |
| 00:05.54 | Estel_ | so, about constructive things - I think we all ove warfare a big beer |
| 00:06.08 | Estel_ | actually, a barrel of beer or wine, up to him |
| 00:06.23 | FIQ | a truck of beer |
| 00:07.12 | Estel_ | I've followed some of his reports and discussions (sparse, as he was quite busy) for last few days, and I'm astoned by his knowledge on how to shape this mess into usable organism |
| 00:07.17 | M4rtinK | a panamax tanker maybe ? |
| 00:07.42 | LinuxCode | do any of you guys recall the applet that changes the time to time and date ? |
| 00:07.51 | LinuxCode | the name of the package, that is |
| 00:07.52 | Estel_ | the fact that it works given the circumstances is true miracle, and (almost) one man show. Much kudos to warfare! |
| 00:08.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: you're again starting to tell BS, but astonishingly enough without insult |
| 00:08.36 | Estel_ | LinuxCode, advanced clock replacement and some plugin for it? |
| 00:08.49 | LinuxCode | advanced clock sounds familair |
| 00:08.59 | LinuxCode | I will check for that |
| 00:09.04 | LinuxCode | thank you |
| 00:11.04 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, actually, I can mess you with mud complementing you, at the same time - just don't see it as necessary or feasible ;) Funny enough, the older I'm, the more straightforward in expressing things I become. And fearless of "consequences" ;) |
| 00:11.11 | Estel_ | LinuxCode, no problem |
| 00:11.52 | LinuxCode | Estel_, are you a pensioner ? |
| 00:12.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | am i supposed to understand that weird sentence? |
| 00:12.04 | LinuxCode | pensioners do that.... they stop thinking first and just talk ;-p |
| 00:12.18 | LinuxCode | not always the best thing to do though |
| 00:12.44 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, in fact, and frankly, I haven't expected you to get it, at least yet ;) |
| 00:13.13 | Estel_ | LinuxCode, whatever pensioner is ;) |
| 00:13.25 | LinuxCode | a retired person |
| 00:13.44 | LinuxCode | 65+ |
| 00:13.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: in fact I haven't expected any reasonable staement from you, ever |
| 00:14.13 | Estel_ | seriously though, it's rather about seeing less and less need to obfuscate things into unnecessary wrappings |
| 00:15.09 | Estel_ | LinuxCode, you haven't lived in Poland then - we already have 67 as min limit of going into retirement, and in few years, it will be extended further ;) |
| 00:15.34 | LinuxCode | I will never have a pension, or a retirement |
| 00:15.42 | Estel_ | I'm quite certtain, that today's tweenties will work 'til death, no matter of official statements |
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| 00:16.33 | LinuxCode | stares at dl progress meter |
| 00:16.36 | LinuxCode | ;-} |
| 00:16.50 | Estel_ | frankly, I would still use mirror |
| 00:17.07 | LinuxCode | for some reason it wouldnt work for me |
| 00:17.11 | Estel_ | a) faster b) one less person to share download at official = others have it faster |
| 00:17.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | 25.6Mb |
| 00:17.15 | LinuxCode | kept complaining about binutils |
| 00:17.21 | Estel_ | it would, it's just a matter of method |
| 00:17.50 | LinuxCode | anyway, this works nicely |
| 00:17.55 | Estel_ | mhm, merlin's repos via fapman seems ok without any hash errors (ignored), and binutils should be available via bb-p? |
| 00:17.57 | LinuxCode | I dont care if it is slow or not |
| 00:17.59 | warfare | around 32kbit/s per connection. |
| 00:18.12 | Estel_ | what generates so many IP? |
| 00:18.43 | Estel_ | all non-TMO'ed devices, of absent users, just started to do auto-update check? |
| 00:18.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | RIPE |
| 00:18.57 | Estel_ | (I mean hundreds of non-power user's devices) |
| 00:19.09 | chem|st | Estel_: even the power ones |
| 00:19.13 | warfare | almost all user-agents are "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)" |
| 00:19.17 | LinuxCode | didnt they sell 800k of these N900 units ? |
| 00:19.29 | LinuxCode | or more |
| 00:19.58 | Estel_ | funny when you think about it - one small switch, and thousand of devices all over the world start "waking up" |
| 00:20.11 | Estel_ | (in terms of update) |
| 00:20.53 | warfare | 1375 unique ips. |
| 00:21.12 | Estel_ | half get dropped, or DocScrutinizer05 was wong about last number? |
| 00:21.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | LinuxCode: X-Fade mentioned there are some 30k to 40k active, according to Akamai repo server farm statistics |
| 00:21.32 | LinuxCode | interesting, not that many then |
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| 00:22.07 | LinuxCode | will be cheeky now and enable extra-devel |
| 00:22.11 | Estel_ | I definitely don't want to be around when 30k devices starts, at once to down anythingp, even smallest file, due to date differences |
| 00:23.25 | chem|st | so 30k devices and only 1k reading tmo... |
| 00:23.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | LinuxCode: in the long rin they shall spread equaly over the day, resulting in one update every 2 seconds. Since alarmd has no sync to time-of-day for the update period |
| 00:23.51 | Estel_ | freemangordon, for inclusion in thumb repo, is ready-for-compile tarball (autobuilder standard) enough, or you need compiled binaries too? |
| 00:23.52 | chem|st | hundreds of new users each month btw |
| 00:24.16 | LinuxCode | DocScrutinizer05, yeh Im sure it will calm down |
| 00:26.31 | LinuxCode | reszing the 2GB partition made a huge difference |
| 00:26.44 | Lava_Croft | 30k devices is a pityful amount |
| 00:26.45 | LinuxCode | mine was chocker block, and the whole N900 slowed down to a crawl |
| 00:26.50 | Lava_Croft | anyone have any idea how many were produced |
| 00:27.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think in the million+ |
| 00:29.13 | Lava_Croft | so that leaves 960.000 devices at least |
| 00:29.28 | Lava_Croft | considering HW faults, a lot of them probably died |
| 00:29.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall Nokia been taken by surprise by the preorders and sales during first 4 weeks, so the wirst batch of several 100k was way too small to satisfy the demand |
| 00:30.00 | Lava_Croft | i got mine early june 2010, so the initial MUST HAVE IT rage was mostly over then |
| 00:30.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/wirst/first/. |
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| 00:30.40 | Lava_Croft | still, 30k devices that are actively used is not bad |
| 00:30.47 | Lava_Croft | 40k tops |
| 00:30.55 | Lava_Croft | enough to hurt a lot of people if shit goes awry:< |
| 00:33.30 | LinuxCode | does apt download the catalogue each time it runs ? |
| 00:33.39 | Lava_Croft | no |
| 00:33.42 | Lava_Croft | it keeps a local cache |
| 00:33.44 | LinuxCode | k good |
| 00:33.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually it should just check for date of file |
| 00:34.01 | LinuxCode | k good |
| 00:34.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is why I think in a few day we will laugh about bandwidth problems with repo |
| 00:35.37 | LinuxCode | certainly wont have me downloading loads of stuff |
| 00:35.39 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 00:37.22 | warfare | I'm off. l8ters. |
| 00:37.30 | LinuxCode | nn ;-} |
| 00:37.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I see downloads with 255kb |
| 00:38.02 | LinuxCode | am I right to assume, that the RSS feed thing , is still a battery life destroyer |
| 00:39.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8 warfare |
| 00:39.57 | Lava_Croft | please do not say N8 |
| 00:40.15 | Lava_Croft | i still have nightmares of trying to make nokia careless take back that shit n8 and give me back my n900 |
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| 00:40.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 00:42.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Fr 1. Feb 01:26:58 CET 2013 real 0m0.949s |
| 00:42.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Fr 1. Feb 01:31:59 CET 2013 real 0m1.098s |
| 00:42.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Fr 1. Feb 01:37:01 CET 2013 real 0m0.925s |
| 00:42.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Fr 1. Feb 01:42:01 CET 2013 real 0m2.766s |
| 00:43.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 00:43.50 | LinuxCode | DocScrutinizer05, dl the extras-devel def takes time |
| 00:43.58 | LinuxCode | so that is probably the culprit |
| 00:44.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | (thats my *.m.o monitor using "wget http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware" |
| 00:44.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ) |
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| 00:54.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2770 clients |
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| 01:01.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 01:01.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | chmod: cannot access `/var/repository/staging/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/*': No such file or directory |
| 01:01.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | chmod: cannot access `/var/repository/staging/extras-devel/incoming-builder/diablo/*': No such file or directory |
| 01:01.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | chmod: cannot access `/var/repository/staging/extras-devel/incoming-nonfree/diablo/*': No such file or directory |
| 01:01.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | suspects a missing NFS mount |
| 01:07.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | or not, since in the job throwing that error, a >>pid_skip /var/tmp/rsync_to_live.pid<< is showing up |
| 01:09.43 | Estel_ | ~seen pali |
| 01:09.44 | infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 2d 33m 54s ago, saying: 'merlin1991, freemangordon can you compile it for cssu-devel?'. |
| 01:09.55 | Estel_ | ~seen Pali |
| 01:09.56 | infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 2d 34m 6s ago, saying: 'merlin1991, freemangordon can you compile it for cssu-devel?'. |
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| 01:22.13 | LinuxCode | hmmm trying to install maegios, there seem to be missing packages |
| 01:22.19 | LinuxCode | but it wont tell me which |
| 01:32.19 | robbiethe1st | Go to the command line |
| 01:32.36 | LinuxCode | I was in apt |
| 01:33.12 | robbiethe1st | What's it say? |
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| 01:33.40 | robbiethe1st | apt should say something useful |
| 01:34.04 | LinuxCode | Hash Sum mismatch |
| 01:34.50 | robbiethe1st | Can you pastebin the entire thing, please? |
| 01:35.28 | merlin1991 | yeah, that's some thing to check, if the hashsum madness is still valid on the repos |
| 01:36.08 | LinuxCode | this only seems to happen when I enable extras-devel |
| 01:39.06 | LinuxCode | disables it again |
| 01:39.34 | LinuxCode | might explain why I had issues on an alternate mirror too |
| 01:40.02 | LinuxCode | is there a way I can force this one ? |
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| 01:57.11 | robbiethe1st | LinuxCode, if you've got the .deb downloaded |
| 01:57.27 | robbiethe1st | you can find it in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 01:57.38 | robbiethe1st | and install with dpkg and the --force=all option |
| 01:57.43 | LinuxCode | k |
| 01:57.46 | robbiethe1st | or is it --force all |
| 01:57.49 | LinuxCode | I will try that in a minute |
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| 02:03.51 | LinuxCode | good stuff |
| 02:03.57 | LinuxCode | package was fine, no need to force |
| 02:05.57 | LinuxCode | thank you very much robbiethe1st |
| 02:06.04 | LinuxCode | and everyone else |
| 02:06.14 | LinuxCode | off to bed, I am sure I be back tomorrow ;-} |
| 02:06.18 | LinuxCode | good night |
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| 02:24.52 | gggs | I've searched maemo.org but can't find anything relevant- is there any way to check which 3G band my N900 is using? (2.1GHz or 900MHz) |
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| 02:27.41 | robbiethe1st | Um, it's the one that T-mobile uses but AT&T doesn't |
| 02:28.44 | gggs | ? |
| 02:29.39 | gggs | Here in Australia carriers use 850MHz, 900MHz, and 2.1GHz for 3G |
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| 02:31.41 | merlin1991 | hm, looking at the "featureset" of systemd, I'm expecting some embeded distribution that just ships systemd, busybox and 2 or 3 service deamons |
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| 02:33.24 | Woody14619 | ping DocScrutinizer05 ? |
| 02:33.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | woooooody! |
| 02:33.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 02:33.45 | Woody14619 | :) |
| 02:33.57 | Woody14619 | So... Just posted to the forums... |
| 02:33.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | long time no see! |
| 02:34.07 | Woody14619 | lists.maemo.org is well.. dead. :( |
| 02:34.19 | Woody14619 | probably related to turning on the repos? |
| 02:34.45 | Woody14619 | Yeah.. been a busy bee at work... (though I spent some time in the forums today while waiting for tests to run. ;) |
| 02:34.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, lists is dead? |
| 02:35.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, should be unrelated to repo |
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| 03:57.04 | goblinday | i.need.help.with.my.app.manager.on.n900.anyone.willing.to.help |
| 03:59.23 | goblinday | i.need.help.with.my.app.manager.on.n900.anyone.willing.to.help |
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| 04:06.47 | Lava_Croft | goblinday: I would strongly suggest you to talk normally |
| 04:06.56 | Lava_Croft | That is, if you really want any help |
| 04:07.21 | goblinday | thats.as.normal.as.i.can.speak.space.bar.not.working |
| 04:07.31 | Lava_Croft | oh my |
| 04:07.52 | goblinday | so.can.u.help. |
| 04:07.59 | Lava_Croft | app manager gives an error because the repositories are down |
| 04:08.03 | Lava_Croft | look at the topic of this channel |
| 04:08.06 | Lava_Croft | type /topic |
| 04:08.25 | Lava_Croft | the first link in the topic has info about how and why the repositories are down, which causes your app manager to give errors |
| 04:08.30 | goblinday | im.trying.to.flash.myphone.andit.says.there.are.catalogues.missing |
| 04:08.49 | Lava_Croft | read what i said:) |
| 04:08.56 | goblinday | and.then.i.check.and.they.are.in.there |
| 04:09.04 | Lava_Croft | you cant reach them |
| 04:09.07 | Lava_Croft | they are down |
| 04:09.15 | Lava_Croft | ~apt-mirror |
| 04:09.23 | Lava_Croft | anyhow, check the link in the topic |
| 04:09.30 | Lava_Croft | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588 |
| 04:10.07 | goblinday | ok |
| 04:11.09 | goblinday | i.clicked.the.link.what.am.i.looking.for |
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| 04:15.59 | Lava_Croft | read what is written there |
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| 08:27.23 | damo22 | as i understand this is a time when migration is being undertaken, is there any place i can get latest n900 firmware and flasher tool? |
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| 08:27.43 | thedead1440 | damo22: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/ |
| 08:27.51 | damo22 | ty |
| 08:27.52 | kerio | yay skeiron |
| 08:28.00 | kerio | that's just the flasher, btw |
| 08:28.08 | kerio | firmwares are http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ |
| 08:28.14 | damo22 | legend |
| 08:28.35 | kerio | if you want mirrors, there's mirrors of the repo on skeiron or on maemo-archive.wedrop.it |
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| 08:29.30 | damo22 | awesome, i am new to maemo, but when i plugged in my n900 to a linux pc it has i/o error and cant mount as usb... im thinking maybe the stock firmware is too old |
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| 08:30.23 | kerio | damo22: did you enable usb mass storage mode? |
| 08:30.27 | damo22 | yep |
| 08:30.28 | kerio | also, did you buy it used? |
| 08:30.50 | damo22 | um supposed to be new, but cant guarantee that |
| 08:31.19 | kerio | damo22: anyway, it's still better to do a full reflash with the "latest" firmware |
| 08:31.28 | damo22 | thats what i thought |
| 08:31.29 | kerio | and then install the latest cssu distro |
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| 08:33.59 | kerio | hm, why is the freenode group Maemo and not maemo? |
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| 08:37.18 | Estel_ | gggs, it's very interesting question, actually |
| 08:37.40 | Estel_ | frankly, I have no idea? is it possible, at all? |
| 08:37.46 | kerio | there's NetMon for maemo, perhaps it can figure it out? |
| 08:38.42 | Estel_ | I wonder if switching frequencies is reported anywhere to any readable part of sane unix, be it kernel or userland, OR is it handled by firmware of gsm module, transparently |
| 08:38.49 | Estel_ | without telling us anything at all |
| 08:39.14 | Estel_ | mhm, there is a way to monitor cell ID of tower youmre connected to |
| 08:39.37 | gggs | Estel_: I know, I had a look through /proc and couldn't find anything, problem is I imagine the GSM/UMTS side of things could be closed src |
| 08:40.01 | Estel_ | gggs, afaik, everything we get from modem is via modem commands |
| 08:40.23 | Estel_ | you know, we send it something, it sens response |
| 08:41.04 | Estel_ | this way, we can determine cellID, and so goes on... but no idea about frequency used, do we have some wiki page with modem commands summed up? |
| 08:41.07 | Estel_ | supported ones |
| 08:41.15 | gggs | kerio: I have netmon, it shows a bunch of stuff including 'technology' (ie 3G), but not frequency used |
| 08:41.45 | Estel_ | it's possible that it's there (command to determine band), but not used by anything |
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| 08:41.54 | Estel_ | our of curiosity, why do you need to check that? |
| 08:42.37 | gggs | Estel_: would cellID change if you were using the same tower, different frequency/technology? |
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| 08:43.38 | Estel_ | I'm quite sure, that 3G uses different cellid (if not physical different tower) than 2G |
| 08:43.51 | Estel_ | but I doubt that it woild change between two 3G's bands |
| 08:43.54 | gggs | In Australia we have 900MHz GSM, but 3G uses either 850MHz, 900MHz, or 2100MHz depending on carrier & location |
| 08:44.15 | Estel_ | yea, I'm aware of that. But why user need to care? |
| 08:44.50 | Estel_ | other than fact about 850 mhz being most penetrable and *should* be available inside buildings/far from BT? |
| 08:45.00 | kerio | less power too, maybe? |
| 08:45.00 | Estel_ | (900 too, btw) |
| 08:45.07 | gggs | because companies market 850MHz/900MHz 3G as `next G'/`yes G', apparently with much greater coverage |
| 08:45.25 | gggs | kerio: in theory, yea |
| 08:45.34 | Estel_ | well, if they don't suck at pumping power to it, it should have better coverage |
| 08:46.06 | Estel_ | I doubt practical impact on battery life, unless you're on edge of 2100 range, and got upgrade to 850 pr 900 |
| 08:46.16 | gggs | thing is, 2100MHz towers are used in city/suburban areas for load reasons, and I've no idea if my N900 is using 900MHz, or 2.1GHz |
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| 08:46.37 | Estel_ | gggs, I see, but as long as signal is strong, user shouldn't care? |
| 08:46.59 | Estel_ | pings or whatever doesn't change, and you can't force using 850 or 900 neither... |
| 08:47.14 | kerio | it would be interesting to know, though |
| 08:47.17 | kerio | if there's a way to know |
| 08:47.18 | Estel_ | so it's thing for base tower to decide, if you should be connected to it, or not |
| 08:47.21 | gggs | Encapsulation-wise, no, but I want to know when I go out of 2.1GHz band range and start using 900MHz |
| 08:47.25 | Estel_ | sure, I agree - I would like to know too |
| 08:48.09 | Estel_ | I see, scientifical curiosity. Well, for the sake of it, I would also like to be able to monitor it... |
| 08:48.31 | Estel_ | try google'ing wiki.maemo.org domain for "modem' and it's commands |
| 08:48.54 | Estel_ | if it's not there, it's probably nowhere... In meantime, I'll check something frequency-wise... |
| 08:49.09 | gggs | I could tape a frequency counter to the back of my N900 but that's not very efficient |
| 08:50.21 | Estel_ | sure ;) |
| 08:50.47 | Estel_ | well, reportedly, gnu radio cheap dongles can do that too, connected to N900's usb via hostmode... |
| 08:51.08 | Estel_ | still, if we already have modem, why to use raw radio |
| 08:52.02 | gggs | I've heard software-defined radio is the future, but still rather expensive |
| 08:52.11 | gggs | I'll have a look into modem commands |
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| 09:01.35 | damo22 | is there a way to tell what version of firmware is currently on my n900? |
| 09:02.40 | kerio | damo22: apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 09:02.57 | kerio | if it's not installed, then you have one of the localized ones, which suck |
| 09:03.15 | Estel_ | gggs, software defined radio is fine, but won't let you connected to encrypted 3G :P |
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| 09:03.31 | Estel_ | gnu radio dongles I said about are exploiting software defined radio, btw |
| 09:04.06 | Estel_ | some of them can sniff from 30mhz to 2100 mhz range (with or without few gaps around 1100 mhz) |
| 09:04.52 | damo22 | unable to locate package... |
| 09:05.04 | damo22 | lol |
| 09:05.08 | kerio | damo22: hrmpf :c |
| 09:05.15 | kerio | damo22: dpkg -l | grep mp-fremantle- |
| 09:06.01 | gggs | Estel_: aegis, right |
| 09:06.09 | gggs | give it time |
| 09:06.26 | kerio | aegis has nothing to do with it |
| 09:06.35 | kerio | it's just that we don't really know wtf is going on with umts |
| 09:07.16 | damo22 | mp-fremantle-002-pr 10.36.2.002 |
| 09:08.21 | damo22 | then theres 20.20 |
| 09:08.44 | kerio | damo22: no, just the Installed version |
| 09:09.08 | damo22 | so is this an old one? might i benefit from flashing? |
| 09:09.31 | kerio | you'll definetely benefit from flashing the global firmware |
| 09:09.44 | damo22 | k :) |
| 09:11.06 | kerio | follow the instructions at |
| 09:11.07 | kerio | ~flashing |
| 09:11.08 | infobot | i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 09:14.19 | gggs | kerio: whoops, I meant whatever encryption 3G uses, I think GSM's has already been reverse-engineered |
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| 09:19.03 | gggs | Estel_: I might've found it: "AT!GETBAND?". I have no idea how to test this though |
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| 09:21.46 | kerio | gggs: AT!GETBAND? gives ERROR |
| 09:23.14 | gggs | Syntax: Query: AT!GETBAND? \\ Response: !GETBAND: <active band description> \\ OK \\ or \\ Unknown \\ OK |
| 09:23.14 | gggs | Purpose: Return a description of the current active band, or return an error message. |
| 09:23.25 | kerio | gggs: yeah but it's not a standard command |
| 09:23.31 | kerio | and the n900 doesn't support it, evidently |
| 09:23.34 | gggs | does AT!BAND? do anything? |
| 09:23.42 | kerio | i tried that, too :) no luck |
| 09:23.49 | gggs | hmm |
| 09:24.12 | kerio | if you want to try, run /usr/bin/pnatd as root |
| 09:24.18 | gggs | could be proprietary |
| 09:24.18 | kerio | there's no way to exit from within it, mind you |
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| 09:30.06 | gggs | the xterm, or the mode altogether? |
| 09:32.11 | gggs | oh I see |
| 09:32.17 | gggs | yea, and don't make typos |
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| 09:36.09 | gggs | some commands at http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1999750 , but none of them seem to work on the N900 |
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| 09:56.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | gggs: check netmon |
| 09:59.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh nm, you already found it |
| 10:00.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally speaking the channel number is clearly related to the freq and thus band |
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| 10:15.41 | freddiiiii | Hi. I would like to know how long it would take for new software to end up in Extras. |
| 10:16.15 | freddiiiii | I am looking for Ubi which is a Ubuntu One synchronisation client for Maemo. It has been submitted to extras-devel a while ago, and is nowhere to be spotted in Extras yet. |
| 10:17.19 | freddiiiii | http://maemo.org/packages/view/ubi |
| 10:17.38 | freddiiiii | It has been submitted almost one year ago. And it is still not in Extras while the wiki mentions after a while things get put in Extras. |
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| 10:21.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | freddiiiii: first maintainer needs to promote it to extras-testing, which he's supposed to do only after checking it for complience with a number of preconditions. In extras-testing it will need votes by testers who are supposed to again make sure pretty similar preconditions are fulfilled |
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| 10:28.12 | gggs | DocScrutinizer05: channel number? |
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| 10:34.58 | freddiiiii | DocScrutinizer05, thank you for the information. |
| 10:35.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | gggs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands |
| 10:35.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | UARFCN |
| 10:36.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:39.40 | gggs | DocScrutinizer05: where do I find that? doesn't seem to be in NetMon |
| 10:43.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I don't know netmon by heart |
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| 10:45.42 | gggs | np, getting closer, might be able to find an AT command for it |
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| 10:49.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | [notice] FW reboot scheduled for now+5min, lists.m.o back to operational state |
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| 10:50.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | gggs: pnatd sucks |
| 10:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | it emulates a very limited set of AT commands, just sufficient for USB-UMTS-modem |
| 10:51.52 | gggs | ah, I see |
| 10:52.20 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i thought it was the access we had to rapuyama |
| 10:53.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | it is, but our BB5/rapu isn't gifted with a AT interpreter aiui |
| 10:53.06 | kerio | :( |
| 10:53.13 | kerio | what's the "official" interface for it? |
| 10:53.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ISI |
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| 10:55.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | [notice] FW reboot postponed to *:00 |
| 10:56.34 | kerio | how quick is the FW reboot? i don't think we'd notice |
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| 11:03.54 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: your fw reboot made my home connection reset! D: |
| 11:04.44 | Ken-Young | Are the skeiron.org repositories down? |
| 11:04.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's worse: it's supposed to already be up again |
| 11:05.08 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it is up |
| 11:05.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Ken-Young: are they? |
| 11:05.23 | kerio | Ken-Young: worksforme |
| 11:05.49 | Ken-Young | Not for me, sadly. apt-get update just slowly times out on all of them. |
| 11:05.56 | kerio | are you suuuuuuuuure? |
| 11:06.04 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: rmo is slow, but loads - eventually |
| 11:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | rmo is bypassing FW |
| 11:06.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it better be up! >:-D |
| 11:06.43 | kerio | oh right |
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| 11:06.51 | kerio | ...then why is it still slow as fuck? :( |
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| 11:07.13 | Ken-Young | kerio, Well, it's possible I typed in all the repository strings incorrectly, but I've checked and checked and rechecked. |
| 11:07.14 | kerio | oh, it became faster all of a sudden |
| 11:07.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | because of: 26.7Mbps up, 689kbps down |
| 11:07.25 | kerio | Ken-Young: are you sure that the timeout is on skeiron.org ? |
| 11:08.22 | kerio | Ken-Young: disable every non-skeiron non-merlin1991 non-downloads.maemo.nokia.com repo |
| 11:08.45 | Ken-Young | kerio, Not really. I can ping it successfully. The Nokia repositories (OVI, ect) update properly, but the skeiron ones do not. |
| 11:09.06 | kerio | is it a timeout or a 404? |
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| 11:09.15 | Ken-Young | 2op "If I disable all non-skeiron repositories, things work properly. |
| 11:09.23 | Ken-Young | kerio timeout |
| 11:09.31 | kerio | ...then it's clearly not skeiron, is it |
| 11:10.11 | Ken-Young | kerio, Why do you say that - I get the errors only when the skeiron repositories are enabled. |
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| 11:10.37 | kerio | "all non-skeiron repositories" |
| 11:10.47 | kerio | often, that means that every repository except the skeiron ones |
| 11:12.32 | Ken-Young | kerio They started updating properly. I guess it was a temporary thing. Sorry to waste people's time. |
| 11:12.33 | damo22 | anyone seen this problem? http://paste.debian.net/230958/ |
| 11:12.46 | kerio | damo22: using H-E-N? |
| 11:13.07 | damo22 | not really |
| 11:13.15 | kerio | oh, that's on your computer? |
| 11:13.19 | damo22 | yeah |
| 11:13.21 | kerio | i see, sorry |
| 11:13.23 | kerio | hm |
| 11:13.35 | damo22 | im trying to flash this puppy |
| 11:13.40 | kerio | it's either a slightly borked usb port, in which case i hope you have a soldering iron and a steady hand |
| 11:13.49 | kerio | or... hm, did you blacklist cdc_phonet? |
| 11:13.57 | damo22 | nope |
| 11:14.01 | kerio | try doing that |
| 11:14.03 | damo22 | k |
| 11:14.11 | kerio | although it should still not give usb errors |
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| 11:14.43 | kerio | damo22: btw, try changing usb port and/or cable too |
| 11:15.03 | damo22 | k |
| 11:15.34 | damo22 | could it be my usb host controller not playing nice with usb 1.1? |
| 11:15.49 | kerio | by the way, why is it usb 1.1? |
| 11:15.54 | kerio | shouldn't it be 2.0? |
| 11:16.01 | damo22 | no idea |
| 11:16.21 | damo22 | this is my first n900 |
| 11:16.35 | kerio | i meant on your computer's side |
| 11:16.48 | damo22 | my computer has 2.0 |
| 11:16.52 | damo22 | ehci |
| 11:17.22 | damo22 | but for some reason when the n900 is plugged in, it tries usb 1.1 |
| 11:17.28 | damo22 | afaik |
| 11:20.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | this might indicate hw problem |
| 11:20.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | also see ~flashing (read *full* page!) |
| 11:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 11:21.04 | infobot | it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 11:21.36 | damo22 | maybe some idiot ruined it and then sold me a borked device |
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| 11:21.48 | kerio | damo22: well, the n900's musb port is really, really weak |
| 11:21.58 | kerio | (i thought you said it was a new device, though) |
| 11:22.07 | kerio | do you have another musb B-usb A cable? |
| 11:22.10 | damo22 | yes |
| 11:23.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then there's also been http://www.absolutelytech.com/2010/04/18/solved-unable-to-enumerate-usb-device-disabling-ehci_hcd/ |
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| 11:23.51 | kerio | but... 1.1 is slooooooooooooow |
| 11:24.17 | damo22 | woot the cable fixed it |
| 11:24.32 | kerio | woot |
| 11:24.40 | damo22 | legends |
| 11:25.13 | kerio | damo22: might want to make sure that the "teeth" that hold the cable in place are soft, and put as much graphite powder on the musb plug as you can |
| 11:25.31 | kerio | and always pull straight off the port, never bend |
| 11:25.40 | kerio | also |
| 11:25.41 | kerio | ~usbfix |
| 11:25.41 | infobot | from memory, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 11:25.48 | damo22 | ok |
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| 11:27.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | graphite powder??? :-o use a soft pencil, noob! |
| 11:27.43 | damo22 | do i plug the battery back in before flashing the other half? |
| 11:27.46 | kerio | whatevs |
| 11:27.49 | damo22 | its not specified |
| 11:28.11 | kerio | damo22: launch new flashing, connect cable, hold u, put battery in |
| 11:28.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | damo22: it says "restart from step one", no? |
| 11:29.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is clearly the most clumsy but absolutely foolproof method |
| 11:29.20 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is there a condition check, to avoid infinite loops? |
| 11:29.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, "*for the eMMC*, restart with step 1" |
| 11:30.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | its a "for x in <elem> <elem>; do..." loop |
| 11:30.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | it isn't infinite, per definitionem |
| 11:33.07 | damo22 | it worked |
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| 11:33.22 | kerio | yay |
| 11:33.31 | kerio | damo22: don't put your SIM in yet |
| 11:33.42 | damo22 | i havent |
| 11:34.28 | kerio | damo22: install CSSU and after you've done that, uninstall the "cherry" package |
| 11:34.41 | kerio | it's the mynokia premium sms subscription bullshit |
| 11:34.59 | damo22 | ahh |
| 11:35.22 | kerio | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 11:35.30 | kerio | follow the instructions religiously |
| 11:35.35 | kerio | ESPECIALLY STEP ONE |
| 11:37.02 | damo22 | woot i have 27Gb, used to have 2 |
| 12:03.03 | user05 | anyone with success to install bluemaemo app on nokia n900? Thnx! |
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| 12:05.21 | damo22 | i tried to install a maemo mirror as the application catalogue, but it has gpg errors? |
| 12:07.11 | damo22 | i used extras-testing from maemo-archive.wedrop.it/repository.maemo.org/ |
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| 12:17.00 | damo22 | my web browser doesnt seem to like the .install script it just loads it as text |
| 12:17.49 | damo22 | can i just do some stuff in bash |
| 12:18.25 | damo22 | like sudo apt-get install cssu |
| 12:18.44 | thedead1440 | damo22: the original nokia repos have gpg errors; don't install extras-testing but use extras and extras-devel; those two are sufficient to install from extras. Skeiron work for both of them |
| 12:19.13 | kerio | damo22: you have to use the n900's browser |
| 12:19.22 | kerio | thedead1440: repository.maemo.org also works |
| 12:19.31 | damo22 | k |
| 12:19.54 | thedead1440 | yeah but its slow 25Mb/s to be shared by everyone so better not hammer it risk it going down :D |
| 12:20.14 | kerio | it's even worse to fuck up the HAM domain information |
| 12:20.23 | kerio | and enabling extras and extras-devel at the same time is worse than useless |
| 12:21.10 | damo22 | well i dont want to cause any problems, which repo would use less? |
| 12:21.19 | kerio | damo22: just use repository.maemo.org |
| 12:21.24 | kerio | we have to figure out if it's working anyway |
| 12:21.25 | damo22 | k |
| 12:24.09 | freemangordon | kerio: what? RMO works? |
| 12:24.25 | kerio | freemangordon: i know, right |
| 12:24.31 | damo22 | looks frozen to me in my update thing |
| 12:24.44 | damo22 | checking for updates, please wait... frozen |
| 12:24.44 | kerio | it's just slow as fuck |
| 12:24.56 | kerio | damo22: how did you install backupmenu? |
| 12:25.20 | damo22 | cbf, i can always reflash |
| 12:25.49 | kerio | great, so after i told you to follow the instructions religiously, especially step one, you decide to not follow the instructions religiously, and especially not step one |
| 12:26.05 | damo22 | i couldnt work out how anyway |
| 12:28.14 | damo22 | i havent installed cssu yet anyway |
| 12:29.15 | damo22 | im just getting the updated list of packages then i will install backupmenu |
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| 12:31.18 | damo22 | afaict its similar to a debian process of apt-get update, apt-get install backupmenu, apt-get install cssu or whatever |
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| 12:38.34 | damo22 | rmo seems to be working |
| 12:38.37 | damo22 | just very slow |
| 12:40.11 | damo22 | hopefully my donation helps |
| 12:40.17 | damo22 | :) |
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| 12:51.04 | damo22 | im dying to get sshd working on this thing |
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| 13:40.41 | kerio | damo22: just install the openssh package :) |
| 13:40.54 | kerio | it'll also give you root access, because it'll ask you for a new root password |
| 13:40.59 | damo22 | done |
| 13:41.05 | kerio | you can do ssh root@localhost if you want root |
| 13:41.17 | kerio | (su doesn't work, it's not suid because busybox is busybox, and it's crap) |
| 13:41.22 | kerio | i recommend configuring sudo |
| 13:41.32 | kerio | and setting passwords for root and user |
| 13:41.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 13:41.54 | kerio | (don't edit /etc/sudoers manually, make your own file in /etc/sudoers.d/ and then run update-sudoers) |
| 13:42.50 | kerio | if you want a more complete terminal toolkit, follow |
| 13:42.52 | kerio | ~jrtools |
| 13:42.52 | infobot | [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 13:43.03 | kerio | especially the parts regarding the gnu coreutils |
| 13:43.18 | kerio | however, install cssu and backupmenu first |
| 13:44.02 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you reckon that cssu could and/or should nullify cherry in some way? |
| 13:44.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it should, and I think it could |
| 13:44.47 | kerio | in which way? leave cherry installed and touch .cherry_state, or nullify it entirely with a dummy package? |
| 13:44.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | should get handled in that general purpose sanity checker app I suggested |
| 13:45.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | which also could check supl.nokia|google.com etc |
| 13:45.34 | NIN101 | kerio so you can suggest a better concept than busybox? |
| 13:45.47 | kerio | NIN101: a better "concept"? |
| 13:45.49 | kerio | sure |
| 13:45.52 | kerio | they're called gnu coreutils |
| 13:46.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | for each sanitation you could choose from several options, like "never do"/"do once, now"/"do on every boot"/... |
| 13:46.37 | NIN101 | busybox is more than just coreutils. But I aggree, given the target audience the "real" tools would be a better choise for maemo at least. |
| 13:46.57 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: programming UIs sucks, and users are users are dumb |
| 13:47.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox |
| 13:47.00 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 13:47.18 | NIN101 | "A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils" |
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| 13:47.27 | teotwaki | I guess the idea was "let's take something that doesn't take up huge amounts of time to start up and run, nor does it take a huge amount of space" |
| 13:47.32 | NIN101 | shouldn't you hate the system integerators :-)? |
| 13:47.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: don't kid me, there's even zenity to handle such simple shit |
| 13:47.45 | nortti | NIN101: toybox |
| 13:48.02 | NIN101 | ah I think that's landley's project. |
| 13:48.07 | nortti | yep |
| 13:48.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I could write such "app" with less than 100 lines of bash script |
| 13:48.17 | nortti | currently running it |
| 13:48.26 | nortti | on my desktop, I mean |
| 13:51.12 | kerio | nortti: really? :o |
| 13:51.22 | kerio | why? |
| 13:51.30 | nortti | why not? |
| 13:52.09 | nortti | also it is staticaly linked version compiled against musl libc |
| 13:52.43 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: Put another way: if we find a better way to do something, we should _not_ say "well, if users want it, they can do this <technical thing here>". If it really is a better way to do something, we should just do it. Requiring user setup is _not_ a feature. |
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| 13:53.02 | kerio | (sorry, took a bit of time to find the exact quote) |
| 13:53.25 | nortti | oh and I run modified slitaz without x11 on 12 year old computer with 64MB of RAM. you should guess what kind of person I'm by now |
| 13:53.52 | kerio | nortti: is your desktop also severely resource-constrained? |
| 13:54.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: what's wrong with offering a UI to user, where they can decide if they want to stick with mynokia, or have it nuked? |
| 13:54.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | stick with supl.nokia or switch to supl.google |
| 13:54.36 | nortti | kerio: it has 700MHz P3 and 64MB of RAM |
| 13:54.41 | NIN101 | nortti: nice :-). |
| 13:55.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch, 64MB of ram |
| 13:55.06 | nortti | NIN101: want a shell account on it? |
| 13:55.31 | kerio | i feel that my irc bouncer uses more than that |
| 13:55.36 | nortti | :P |
| 13:55.56 | nortti | it really isn't that bad if you don't have x11 running |
| 13:55.57 | kerio | nortti: if you're a real man, use it as a seedbox |
| 13:55.59 | flux | that's why satan invented swap |
| 13:56.46 | nortti | kerio: why? I use my 100MHz P1 with 40MB of RAM for that |
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| 13:57.00 | kerio | lol |
| 13:57.31 | nortti | kerio: and you don't want to know what I used in 2009 |
| 13:57.38 | lastaid_ | Hello, i need some help restoring my rom on the n900. its standard CSSU rom with Uboot, but it recently broke, meaing all widgets overlay each other and make it unusable |
| 13:57.40 | nortti | as my main computer |
| 13:57.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf P1? |
| 13:57.56 | lastaid_ | where do i get a vanilla rom for the n900, or at least a "VERY" stable usable |
| 13:57.59 | nortti | DocScrutinizer05: yes? |
| 13:58.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 13:58.39 | kerio | nortti: you're probably paying enough in electricity to afford to buy a sheevaplug and still come up ahead |
| 13:58.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | what is that? a modemrouter? |
| 13:58.44 | kerio | or a rpi |
| 13:59.01 | lastaid_ | kerio, rpi would be a nice replacement :D |
| 13:59.08 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i assume he means a pentium |
| 13:59.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
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| 13:59.28 | kerio | which is not "frugal" by any means, unless you're stealing your electricity |
| 13:59.34 | nortti | kerio: my main computer has about 50W power and P1 has 100W |
| 13:59.54 | kerio | compare that to a much, much, much, much, MUCH faster sheevaplug, which uses 5W at max load |
| 14:00.40 | nortti | kerio: too new but I guess I could buy one in 2014 |
| 14:00.49 | kerio | i just... don't get it |
| 14:01.06 | nortti | I don't buy computers newer than 5 years old |
| 14:01.15 | kerio | yes, and i don't get it |
| 14:01.30 | nortti | and I use them until I can't do everything I want with them |
| 14:01.47 | kerio | two years of running that crappy P1 will cost you much, much more than a sheevaplug and two years of energy for it |
| 14:02.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | my last slow PC been a P-II/300 with some 498MB ram, my last 'small' laptop a pana toughbook CF-25 with also P-II/300 and 128MB |
| 14:02.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still own one of the latter |
| 14:02.47 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: battery life? |
| 14:03.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug*, never tried it |
| 14:03.05 | kerio | haha |
| 14:03.05 | Skry | mine was P2-300 with 256MB, 233mmx before that |
| 14:03.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably battery is dead |
| 14:04.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | got a CF-29 now, with rather good battery |
| 14:04.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the mad max missions |
| 14:05.02 | nortti | I should probably post an article here that explains my rationale if it wasn't written in finish :/ |
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| 14:05.42 | orlok | nortti: did you work for nokia? |
| 14:06.09 | kerio | i feel that there's no excuse, if only for the environmental problem |
| 14:06.22 | nortti | orlok: no |
| 14:08.20 | nortti | kerio: what kind of psu do you have? |
| 14:08.51 | kerio | laptop battery :) |
| 14:09.03 | nortti | ok |
| 14:09.27 | nortti | then the watt comparision could be pretty hard... |
| 14:09.46 | kerio | ok, let's compare it to my sheevaplug then |
| 14:10.09 | nortti | but I usually like to point that out to people with 1000W PSUs critizing my computer for being a power hog |
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| 14:10.28 | kerio | ok, let's compare it to the sheevaplug |
| 14:10.29 | kerio | 5W |
| 14:10.30 | kerio | at max load |
| 14:10.39 | nortti | do you use sheevaplug? |
| 14:11.12 | kerio | as a file server/print server/bittorrent client |
| 14:11.22 | nortti | if you don't you seem like a hypocrite to me to be honest |
| 14:11.56 | kerio | however, i do |
| 14:12.08 | nortti | ok |
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| 14:12.16 | nortti | fair enough |
| 14:13.45 | nortti | yes, my computer will lose to sheevaplug in energy usage, however the ecological footprint will be very hard to measure |
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| 14:18.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ecological footprint of old rocks in continued usage as opposed to getting new stuff with new chips and new younameit is generally hard to beat |
| 14:19.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: in which sense? |
| 14:19.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ecological penalty for producing a new computer will most likely beat all power it might consume during its life |
| 14:20.16 | Skry | exactly |
| 14:20.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | hands down, even |
| 14:20.59 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: even stuff like a P1? |
| 14:21.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: IOW, the energy the factory wasted for producing your sheevaplug would suffice for nortti to run his old rocks til ~2254 |
| 14:21.49 | kerio | heh |
| 14:21.52 | nortti | :D |
| 14:22.07 | kerio | somehow i doubt it, a sheevaplug doesn't cost nearly enough for that |
| 14:22.54 | kerio | damage to the environment, maybe |
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| 14:34.06 | ShadowJK | The missing thing is that ecological footprint isn't priced in |
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| 14:42.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 14:42.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | see coltan etc |
| 14:42.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | rare earth stuff |
| 14:43.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | or noble earths |
| 14:45.52 | lastaid_ | hey there |
| 14:46.18 | lastaid_ | i have a problem, my n900 just broke, which makes me quite sad, now i want to reflash vanilla rom, but the nokia side is down. |
| 14:47.01 | wirr | ~mirrors |
| 14:47.01 | infobot | from memory, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 |
| 14:47.20 | wirr | ~apt-mirrors |
| 14:47.34 | lastaid_ | i already have the rom, at least i hope so |
| 14:47.37 | wirr | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ |
| 14:47.40 | lastaid_ | but i cannot find the flash tool for linux |
| 14:47.49 | lastaid_ | skeiron has the rom, but not the flash tool |
| 14:48.09 | lastaid_ | wirr, what roms do i need from that side, i do not understand what he means with FIASCO rom |
| 14:48.26 | wirr | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/ |
| 14:48.56 | kerio | lastaid_: very little is read-only, on the n900 |
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| 14:49.01 | kerio | so don't talk about ROMs |
| 14:49.10 | wirr | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_The_Perfect_Setup |
| 14:49.47 | kerio | "the [Kernel Power] package on it's own is recommended" |
| 14:50.08 | kerio | flees from doc's area-of-effect wrath |
| 14:50.29 | lastaid_ | so ok, i got the eMMC part, the one on the top, what else do i need |
| 14:50.35 | lastaid_ | this is the only part i do not get ... |
| 14:50.47 | kerio | lastaid_: you need VANILLA, but it's not the topmost one |
| 14:50.56 | kerio | look for the one that says "latest vanilla" |
| 14:51.01 | lastaid_ | ok... |
| 14:51.08 | kerio | and then you need the one that says "latest maemo 5 global" |
| 14:51.11 | kerio | that's COMBINED |
| 14:51.23 | lastaid_ | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 14:51.25 | lastaid_ | thanks :)( |
| 14:51.40 | lastaid_ | so its like firmware + os or s.th ... |
| 14:51.42 | kerio | VANILLA is to flash the emmc, it's not *needed* |
| 14:52.04 | lastaid_ | now i just need the flash tool and i am happy |
| 14:52.17 | kerio | as wirr said, it's in http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/ |
| 14:52.24 | kerio | you need maemo_flasher-3.5 for the n900 |
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| 14:57.58 | lastaid_ | the same side just said no to me a few seconds ago :D |
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| 14:59.07 | chem|st | lastaid_: root folder does everything else does not |
| 14:59.41 | chem|st | so skeiron.org says no... http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ does say yes! |
| 15:03.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 15:03.37 | ccxCZ | what should I install for SIP? |
| 15:04.59 | wirr | ccxCZ, nuffin' it's all there |
| 15:06.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I can't find the friggin flasher-3.5 on skeiron |
| 15:06.35 | wirr | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb |
| 15:06.49 | wirr | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz |
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| 15:08.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 15:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway maemo_flasher-3.5_2.4.5.3_beta.tar.gz is available in http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/ too |
| 15:09.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Do not post complete URL! |
| 15:11.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | also wtf? that URL is under the link "Maemo 4.1.2 Diablo kernel patch and new kernel image for USB Networking on Windows, ver 0.4" |
| 15:13.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never would dare to click that link when searching for flasher-3.5 |
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| 15:16.25 | ccxCZ | wirr: can't find how to set it up then |
| 15:17.25 | ccxCZ | ah, got it |
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| 15:37.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | my apologies for the link "Command line flasher binaries are available here" on http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ being stale. We'll try to fix it in due time |
| 15:55.56 | jonwil | anyone here know how to tell what the different icons next to someones name when you are on Skype mean? |
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| 16:00.16 | thedead1440 | jonwil: you mean the online status of the contact? |
| 16:00.30 | jonwil | yes |
| 16:00.31 | jonwil | that |
| 16:01.13 | thedead1440 | ah its just the regular online status of contact; you want to know what the colours represent? |
| 16:01.27 | jonwil | yes the different values |
| 16:01.43 | jonwil | I know there is offline and online but there are other icons too |
| 16:02.09 | thedead1440 | green=online, yellow=away, red=busy/do not disturb, grey with a stroke=offline |
| 16:02.29 | jonwil | I am seeing a blue icon with an arrow in it |
| 16:02.33 | jonwil | what does that mean? |
| 16:03.15 | jonwil | this is in the N900 conversations app btw in case that wasn't clear |
| 16:04.20 | thedead1440 | hmm not too sure |
| 16:05.14 | thedead1440 | ask freemangordon he uses Skype alot so he should know |
| 16:05.51 | freemangordon | hmm? |
| 16:07.23 | freemangordon | jonwil: jonwil on the device? |
| 16:07.35 | jonwil | yes |
| 16:07.37 | jonwil | on the device |
| 16:07.41 | jonwil | in the N900 conversations app |
| 16:07.43 | freemangordon | never seen that |
| 16:07.46 | jonwil | ok |
| 16:08.01 | freemangordon | which account, skype? |
| 16:08.29 | jonwil | yes skype |
| 16:08.35 | thedead1440 | is this those new M$Live-Skype merged accounts maybe? |
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| 16:10.24 | jonwil | no idea |
| 16:19.03 | thedead1440 | jonwil: have you received or made a call to that contact? It could be signifying history of having made calls? |
| 16:19.26 | jonwil | nope,just sent messages |
| 16:19.32 | jonwil | text |
| 16:20.01 | thedead1440 | google doesn't give anything interesting too |
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| 17:13.57 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: current throughput on rmo? |
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| 17:25.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | mompls |
| 17:26.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | 26.9 up |
| 17:26.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0.8 down |
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| 17:27.26 | kerio | D: |
| 17:27.32 | kerio | still hasn't slowed down |
| 17:27.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | 59285 unique IPs served so far |
| 17:28.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk, cya in 30min at meeting |
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| 17:31.24 | kerio | welp! |
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| 17:33.12 | mad_dev | this might sound a bit insulting to some. but when will i be able to upgrade my packages? |
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| 17:34.22 | kerio | when you start being less mad :P |
| 17:34.55 | mad_dev | ohh..but i am |
| 17:36.08 | kerio | i'm not sure there even *is* an ETA to bring the autobuilder back to working |
| 17:36.31 | kerio | we barely have repository.maemo.org working |
| 17:36.52 | MentalistTraceur | Upgrade as in upload updates to what you maintain, or as in download updates to stuff you have installed? |
| 17:37.12 | mad_dev | the latter |
| 17:37.16 | kerio | ...oh, i might've completely misunderstood |
| 17:37.56 | MentalistTraceur | It should be possible right now, although it's slow and sometimes connections are dropped, at least over the command-line using apt-get. |
| 17:38.25 | MentalistTraceur | If you're using Hildon Application Manager, though, I think the GPG key issue might prevent it from downloading stuff. |
| 17:38.32 | kerio | MentalistTraceur: nope |
| 17:39.18 | mad_dev | i am still getting a 503 error |
| 17:39.24 | MentalistTraceur | kerio: Well, not from maemo.org's extras, but from the Nokia repos? Or am I wrong about that too? |
| 17:39.38 | kerio | you can't *upgrade* from the nokia repos |
| 17:40.08 | kerio | or, rather, you can't upgrade from the nokia repos if you have a package with a domain that has a trust level of more than 0 |
| 17:40.28 | kerio | that usually includes a bunch of system packages |
| 17:40.38 | kerio | but really, most of the nokia ssu repo is preinstalled in pr1.3 anyway |
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| 17:45.47 | MentalistTraceur | kerio: Okay, so, can you go through this list with me and say yes/works or no/doesn't-work for each item: apt-get update: through commandline, through HAM, through FAM; downloading/upgrading packages from extras/testing/devel/cssu from command-line, HAM, FAM; downloading/installing from Nokia SSU repo (cli/ham/fam); updating/installing from Nokia Binaries repo (cli/ham/fam); downloading/upgrading Nokia SDK repo (cli/ham/fam)? |
| 17:45.53 | MentalistTraceur | ... repos can we not do what in, due to the key issue? |
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| 17:46.49 | MentalistTraceur | I'm finally drafting the e-mail to Nokia about it right now, and I want to make sure I didn't fuck up in explaining the issue. |
| 17:47.32 | kerio | assuming no timeouts from rmo, everything works through apt-get (at most you have to say "yes, install without verification"), HAM will not consider packages from nokia ssu/nokia apps as valid packages for the upgrade of "system" packages (and i'm not sure if uninstalling and reinstalling outside HAM will fix that) |
| 17:48.15 | kerio | everything else works perfectly |
| 17:49.50 | kerio | ie the only problem is that the key in the nokia repos isn't valid anymore |
| 17:49.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: pali already sent a mail. TBH I don't know what that mail shall be all about |
| 17:49.59 | kerio | and so HAM will only do new installs from those |
| 17:52.08 | MentalistTraceur | Kerio: yeah, I was just trying to figure out exactly what repo(s) of the various Nokia ones, were affected. DocScrutinizer05: Oh. Alright. I wish someone had told me so I didn't worry about how to articulate it properly and beat myself up over taking a whole week before getting time to do it, but I suppose that's what I get for not coming on to IRC regularly (being less in-the-loop). |
| 17:52.25 | kerio | MentalistTraceur: all the nokia repos |
| 17:52.32 | kerio | repository.maemo.org is ours now :) |
| 17:54.17 | MentalistTraceur | I just noticed the damned perl script I have for splitting long lines of input into separate test doesn't work right (cuts off too late), so some text is still lost. |
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| 17:55.17 | MentalistTraceur | (Though I suppose that's nothing in comparison to the greater good of finally having perl-supporting IRSSI compiled on my N900.) |
| 17:55.30 | MentalistTraceur | [/bitching] |
| 17:55.53 | MentalistTraceur | s/separate test/separate text/ |
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| 17:56.38 | MentalistTraceur | DocScrutinizer05: Do you have the e-mail Pali sent to them? If so, can you forward it to me? |
| 17:59.15 | MentalistTraceur | Speaking of irssi: does anyone know what obscure bug could cause irssi to segfault on 'irssi --help' but to work fine otherwise? |
| 17:59.32 | MentalistTraceur | Because that seems to be my current situation. |
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| 18:00.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: sure thing, please remind me later, after meeting |
| 18:01.40 | MentalistTraceur | DocScrutinizer05: will do. |
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| 18:32.14 | Wulas | Hi |
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| 18:32.40 | Wulas | This link doesn't work, have anyone the setup files? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 18:32.52 | Wulas | My N900 is in a rebootloop -.- |
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| 18:34.11 | Wulas | Anyone? |
| 18:35.23 | chem|st | pull the battery |
| 18:35.36 | Wulas | I've done that many times :P |
| 18:35.46 | chem|st | skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ |
| 18:35.58 | Wulas | Thanks! |
| 18:36.24 | chem|st | skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/ even |
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| 18:43.11 | MentalistTraceur | Heh, I didn't know people mirrored those too. Cool. |
| 18:46.15 | Woody14619 | If they hadn't, I had. Good to have firmware backups for any device. |
| 18:46.57 | Woody14619 | (Especially closed source ones. Much easier to rev-eng a flash image than on hardware most times.) |
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| 19:18.35 | ludens | hm so how come there is no xterm-256color terminfo file on the n900 |
| 19:18.47 | ludens | and how can i get one? |
| 19:19.33 | ludens | ncurses-base is installed and there are several other xterm terminfos |
| 19:22.18 | MentalistTraceur | ludens: I'm not the most knowledgeable about this, but: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 19:23.02 | ludens | im using emacs in console mode and it only supports 16 colors |
| 19:23.27 | ludens | because TERM is set to 'xterm' |
| 19:23.58 | ludens | when i set TERM=xterm-256color emacs wont start, since it cant find that terminfo |
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| 19:24.23 | ludens | i guess i should be able to simply pull such a terminfo file from a debian machine |
| 19:25.03 | MentalistTraceur | Possibly. To tell you the truth I only found out about terminfo last night when I was half-asleep and trying to compile irssi. |
| 19:26.47 | ludens | ive had some trouble with it before when using screen |
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| 19:33.09 | ludens | it worked fine |
| 19:33.25 | ludens | just copied it from /lib/terminfo/ |
| 19:33.53 | kerio | ludens: osso-xterm doesn't support 256color mode, fyi |
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| 19:34.50 | kerio | ludens: it's the ncurses-base package that's responsible for /etc/terminfo |
| 19:34.51 | ludens | kerio: sure it does |
| 19:35.21 | ludens | yeah and thats up to date but still i had no xterm-256color |
| 19:35.35 | kerio | ludens: so... update it and ask cssu to push it |
| 19:35.59 | ludens | kerio: i tried running a perl script that outputs 256 colors and it looked perfect |
| 19:36.08 | kerio | in osso-xterm? :O |
| 19:36.09 | ludens | that was before i had the terminfo file btw |
| 19:36.15 | ludens | yes |
| 19:36.22 | kerio | neat, i didn't know |
| 19:36.31 | ludens | so i knew it could show 256 |
| 19:37.08 | ludens | now i just pulled the terminfo file from my debian squeeze box but im not sure thats a good file to use...? |
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| 19:47.18 | kerio | ludens: try it and see :) |
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| 21:10.58 | ludens | kerio: well it works for me but i wouldnt be able to correct the ssu just with that |
| 21:11.05 | kerio | ludens: of course not |
| 21:11.10 | kerio | grab the upstream ncurses |
| 21:11.19 | kerio | it's probably debian's |
| 21:11.23 | ludens | im not even sure it should be there |
| 21:14.12 | kerio | ludens: debian has the basic terminfo in ncurses-base |
| 21:14.23 | kerio | and has additional ones in ncurses-term |
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