IRC log for #maemo on 20130131

00:00.23sixwheeledbeastI mean everyone has a different basic setup
00:00.33Lava_Croftthe idea is that new users like myself 3 years ago, dont have to spend a month googling and browsing ITT
00:00.41Lava_Crofttrying to gather a collection of n900 tweaks
00:00.44sixwheeledbeastagreed
00:00.50Lava_Croftit was so awful
00:00.52wirrnods
00:00.55Lava_Croftand then a week after you did tweakX
00:01.07Lava_Croftyou found out tweakX was actually horrible and you should have done tweakY
00:01.13Lava_Croftetc
00:01.20wirr*patches anyone?
00:01.26Lava_Croftit will go a long way to have a single wiki page for this
00:01.56sixwheeledbeastthere are possibly wikis out there already
00:02.03sixwheeledbeastcustomizing maemo is one.
00:02.14Lava_Croftyup
00:02.55sixwheeledbeastwirr: maybe update the customizing maemo page?
00:03.00wirrthough it's more focused on appearance settings it seems to me
00:03.43wirrmy idea was more to get people started in building a fast, power-saving and secure system
00:09.03wirranywho... let's see into what it develops. would enjoy seeing you guys contribute your experience to it
00:12.21sixwheeledbeastwirr: I will have a look maybe tomorrow. I think a brief paragraph and links to xyz wiki page is the best way to go.
00:13.17wirrcool... thanks - night
00:13.34sixwheeledbeastgn
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03:30.02initech99hello i'm trying to use the skeiron extras mirror 3 repo but i'm getting a "sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)" error
03:30.13initech99somebody can help?
03:30.30SpeedEvilman gzio
03:30.34SpeedEvilgzip
03:30.41SpeedEvilwhat's error code 1
03:30.52SpeedEvilpossibly file corrupt
03:33.05initech99i can't find a list of gzip errors in the man page
03:34.03initech99but doing the update again i get the same error
03:34.48initech99i just flashed my nokia n900 and i need rootsh
03:34.55initech99bad timing i guess...
03:36.35initech99for everybody else the repos works fine?
03:42.17SpeedEvilon reflection
03:42.31SpeedEvilit's quite possible the repos are having an issue right now
03:43.18SpeedEvilI'd have to get out of bed to check, and ...
03:43.21SpeedEvilnight
03:44.58initech99mmh than i guess i'll just wait
03:45.24initech99i should get some sleep too,it' almost 5 in the morning here...
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04:25.56DocScrutinizer05(recommended apps) I'm smelling loooong discussions what's indispensable for daily usage and what's geek shit. How about a list of *deprecated* apps instead?
04:26.15DocScrutinizer05I already know two: powerpatch, speedpatch
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04:28.18DocScrutinizer05and honestly, any such list (recommended) is always *personal* (recommended by *whom*), and accordingly it should get represented on wiki
04:28.23DocScrutinizer05~jrtools
04:28.23infobotmethinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
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04:30.39DocScrutinizer05a "public" and "official" wikipage always aiming for the one and only truth, and everybody will vandalize it to correct the "obvious errors" when it comes to something as individual as a list of most useful apps
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04:32.14DocScrutinizer05hey, if I wanna know which app most users think is useful, I go to ~packages and check for top of download-hitlist
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04:33.10DocScrutinizer05if I wanna know which apps wirr thinks are most useful, I go to Users:wirr
04:35.05DocScrutinizer05please don't start such dogfight topic on a "official website", since it's not really backed up by anything or anybody. Nobody elected for those apps in any proper election, nobody appointed the editors of such page as being the ultimate experts either
04:36.26DocScrutinizer05what do you expect the BlessN900 devels to do when you place fcam on that page?
04:36.33DocScrutinizer05this will NOT end good
04:37.03DocScrutinizer05ends in a lot of bickering and fights, and nobody benefiting from it in the end
04:41.57DocScrutinizer05and I'm not even starting with more basic questions like "is busybox a good or a silly app in sense of unix spirit?"
04:42.12DocScrutinizer05~messybox
04:42.12infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils
04:43.27DocScrutinizer05unix way is to have lots of small specialized though general purpose tools that you compine to your liking. Monolithic blobs like busybox are the windows way to implement things
04:44.29DocScrutinizer05and since ls is still buggy in busybox power, we gonna invent my-acme-ls and ship that package as well then?
04:45.09DocScrutinizer05since no sane devel interested in fixin ls will look into busybox power to do so
04:47.10DocScrutinizer05that's a straight highway into windows hell
04:52.14DocScrutinizer05wirr: pretty please use a filemanager and have a look into your hildon-backup files, you'll find an extremely convenient and ready-made way to deploy package/app-sets. I suggested several times somebody to simply make such a backup file with his favourite apps and deploy it for other users
04:53.46DocScrutinizer05you're aware that hildon-backup only stores a *list of apps* to re-install on restore, it does NOT store the app binaries
04:54.35DocScrutinizer05and, as icing on top, user can deselect particular apps during restore, so they won't get installed
04:55.36DocScrutinizer05the only way in HAM to first select/deselect on a huge number of packages and then run the whole batch for unattended installation
04:56.43DocScrutinizer05once such a "package" been built and published under "wirr's favorites", you bet a week later there will be a clone "kerio's favorites"
04:56.54DocScrutinizer05or whomever it may tickle
04:57.30DocScrutinizer05and eventually we even might come up with "cssu recommended"
04:58.29DocScrutinizer05and I bet somebody will create "2012 most wanted"
04:59.00DocScrutinizer05or "the spy collection", you name it
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05:04.27damo22hi i just got myself a N900, its currently charging up... :D  where can i read about upgrading its software to the latest maemo, also i want to do some development so I want to root the device and run linux stuff on it... where can i find the howtos?
05:04.49DocScrutinizer05haha
05:04.54DocScrutinizer05welcome damo22
05:05.06damo22ty
05:05.59DocScrutinizer051st: your N900 doesn't need any "rooting", it's already open, just missing a small package called rootsh you need to install to get the commands "root" and "sudo gainroot"
05:06.14damo22cool
05:06.36DocScrutinizer05runing "linux stuff" is possible without that "root account2 generally
05:06.42DocScrutinizer05runing "linux stuff" is possible without that "root account" generally
05:07.00damo22yeah, but i want root on my own phone :D
05:07.03freemangordonthinks n900 runs "linux stuff" all the time :)
05:08.26damo22this is so cool :D
05:08.30DocScrutinizer05you can install all the wealth of gnu-utils readily. And you can run all stuff like ls and ps and mc and whatever "unix stuff" you can think of, without rootsh, just some of those my need root permissions to do what you want them to do. I'm sure you're aware of this basic concept
05:09.19damo22yeah, i do a bit of kernel stuff i think i know my way around *nix :)
05:09.54freemangordondamo22: for allowing "root" and "sudo gainroot commands" open http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.8_all.deb in microb
05:09.56DocScrutinizer05damo22: alas you picked a very poor point in time to start with your exciting maemo adventures, since due to migration away from Nokia and towards 100% community driven, some of the resources are... flawed
05:10.11freemangordonthat one too :)
05:10.12damo22but it will be fun to play with a fully fledged system that is my own phone
05:10.33DocScrutinizer05you bet it is
05:10.56DocScrutinizer05I'm enjoying this fun since 4 (?) years now and will never give up on it
05:11.07damo22is it possible to use the small usb port as a host controller?
05:11.16DocScrutinizer05"from my dead cold haaaaands!"
05:11.27freemangordondamo22: you bet it is
05:11.32damo22wowww
05:11.38DocScrutinizer05yes, I made that possible, see H-E-N
05:11.45freemangordonhehe
05:12.05damo22how much power can i draw from the usb port
05:12.10damo22safely
05:12.10DocScrutinizer05200mA
05:12.21damo22k
05:12.37freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: current protection kicks in above that, ain;t?
05:12.46DocScrutinizer05yup
05:12.57DocScrutinizer05EOVERCURRENT
05:13.05DocScrutinizer05cut out
05:13.30damo22i was thinking of making a fully fledged audio recording device
05:13.37damo22using external usb sound card
05:13.39DocScrutinizer05GOOOD
05:13.51DocScrutinizer05I'm actually interested in that
05:14.01freemangordondamo22: there is a thread on talk.maemo.org about that
05:14.07damo22i already wrote a kernel alsa driver quirk for this card
05:14.20damo22its made by digidesign
05:14.36DocScrutinizer05cool
05:14.38freemangordondamo22: I guess you want to install kernel-power
05:15.16DocScrutinizer05yeah damo22, you're speakeing with one of the two guys you need to know and make friens, for your project: freemangordon
05:15.30DocScrutinizer05pali is the other guy and main maintainer of powerkernel
05:15.33damo22sweet!
05:16.09DocScrutinizer05and for USB stuff, ping me or pali ;-)
05:16.15freemangordondamo22: being a kernel hacker, there is a piece of HW which sits unused in n900. A programmable filter that is
05:16.29damo22?
05:16.40damo22programmable filter?
05:16.47damo22as in audio filter?
05:16.58freemangordonyes. there is a patch which enables it, but unfortunately it is incomplete
05:16.59DocScrutinizer05ohnoes, please not "the digital filter in codec: sequel #4"
05:17.31freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I am talking about HW audio filter
05:17.45DocScrutinizer05or actually, go ahead
05:17.46damo22well ive already written some digital filters using biquad stuff but its cpu driven
05:18.10DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: that's the digital parametric filter in codec I spoke of
05:18.25DocScrutinizer05there are actually two of them
05:18.29freemangordondamo22: the patch needs filtering bands calculated, otherwise it is functional aiui
05:18.47DocScrutinizer05one full parametric one, plus an emphasis one
05:18.53damo22ooo
05:19.00freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: aah, ok. still having my first coffee, you know :)
05:19.19freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: two of them?
05:19.22damo22this could be fun
05:19.23DocScrutinizer05yes
05:19.37damo22HW audio filtering
05:19.56damo22via alsa?
05:20.10freemangordondamo22: now it is PA plugin which does highpass filtering ( speaker protection)
05:20.35freemangordondamo22: I guiess there is no als plugin for that
05:20.39freemangordon*alsa
05:20.44DocScrutinizer05http://www.musicdsp.org/files/Audio-EQ-Cookbook.txt  http://www.student.oulu.fi/~oniemita/dsp/dspstuff.txt
05:20.55damo22i know that musicdsp site
05:21.09damo22we implemented it in Calf plugins
05:21.55damo22i made a phono RIAA filter using bilinear transform too
05:22.01damo22that was fun
05:22.14DocScrutinizer05yeah, that's what the de-emphasis filter is for
05:22.39DocScrutinizer05the smaller one of the two (if I'm not completely making that up now)
05:23.12damo22so youre saying that the N900 has a hardware codec that can do filtering but the coefficients arent calculated yet?
05:23.23DocScrutinizer05yes
05:23.39damo22what kind of curve do we need
05:23.48DocScrutinizer05that's the question
05:23.59DocScrutinizer05where things came to a grinding halt
05:24.01DocScrutinizer05;-)
05:24.08damo22ahhh
05:24.13DocScrutinizer05since evrybody wanted a graphic EQ
05:24.20damo22well you probably dont need that
05:24.30DocScrutinizer05and that's wirtually impossible with that stuff
05:25.09damo22not really, i made a calculation tool that generates coefficients on the fly from analog parameters
05:25.20DocScrutinizer05cooool
05:25.33DocScrutinizer05yo da man
05:26.05freemangordondamo22: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=blob;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches/Support-for-tlv320aic3x-codec-highpass-filter-needed.diff;h=962061affdbff324d640a6edf3b5fd17889b74e7;hb=HEAD
05:26.10freemangordonhere is the patch
05:26.11damo22but we didnt end up using it, because someone else already implemented it before in Calf plugins
05:26.15DocScrutinizer05i *think* we already have access to the coefficients
05:26.39damo22its a C++ class called biquad
05:26.55DocScrutinizer05sounds familiar
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05:27.08freemangordonooh, "The filter can be controlled through an alsa hwdep device, via"
05:27.11freemangordon...
05:27.24DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: toldya
05:27.35freemangordonnice
05:27.43DocScrutinizer05i *think* we already have access to the coefficients
05:28.00DocScrutinizer05just hex number desert
05:28.07DocScrutinizer05somewhere
05:28.16freemangordonso, what we need, correct algo for coeffs and gstreamer plugin?
05:28.24DocScrutinizer05yep
05:28.30freemangordonnice
05:28.36DocScrutinizer05afaik
05:28.49DocScrutinizer05it's years ago since I last touched that stuff
05:28.56freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: this is on output only, isn't it?
05:29.08damo22hey cool, i can see how i can put my code in there
05:29.08DocScrutinizer05err, probably yes
05:29.25damo22but i dont know how to make the coefficients configurable
05:29.37DocScrutinizer05see aic34(?) datasheet, and N900 schematics
05:30.58damo22for example, i could add something in there that converts "#define LP_FC 200" into a set of coefficients for a lowpass filter at 200 Hz
05:31.28damo22but how would anyone change the value
05:31.37DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/hidden/   see  docs/hw/tlv320aic34.pdf
05:31.48DocScrutinizer05never post complete URL!
05:32.02damo22okay
05:32.02DocScrutinizer05anywhere
05:32.36freemangordondamo22: did you look at the patch?
05:32.45damo22freemangordon: yeah i had a glance
05:33.09freemangordon"Added functions to manipulate the filter's coeffs and enable/disable it,..."
05:33.19damo22oh geez
05:33.28freemangordon"hwdep device called "IIR Filter" added, documentation on how to use it..."
05:34.17freemangordonoh, there is matlab code there :D
05:34.38freemangordonto draw the freq responce
05:36.13DocScrutinizer05In addition to the de-emphasis filter block, the DAC digital effects processing includes a fourth-order digital IIR filter with programmable coefficients (one set per channel). This filter is implemented as a cascade of two biquad sections with frequency response given by: <your eyes don't wanna see this on IRC>
05:36.45damo22Nx= numerator_x  Dx = denominator_x
05:37.18freemangordonwonders if this can be used as an eq
05:37.39DocScrutinizer05well page 38 of tlv320aic34.pdf looks a tiny bit more *cough*
05:37.40damo22it can be used as an eq
05:37.53freemangordonhow may bands?
05:38.17DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: a parametric EQ has no bands
05:38.40freemangordonbut do we have enough params for, lets say, 10 bands?
05:38.50DocScrutinizer05and a biquad IIR is not even a parametric EQ even
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05:39.06damo22a biquad IIR doesnt work too well with bass frequencies
05:39.41damo22if you try to use it in a narrow band
05:40.10freemangordonanyway, gtg, damo22, have fun with that :)
05:40.13DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: how many bands has y=a1*x+a2*x^2+a3*x^3+a4*x^4 ?
05:40.16damo22ty
05:40.44damo22its more like it can have up to 3 kinks
05:40.46freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: hard to say, but I guess it can't be used as an EQ.
05:41.05freemangordonthis looks like a smooth function
05:41.14DocScrutinizer05that's the point of a parametric or biquad
05:41.19DocScrutinizer05IIR
05:41.23freemangordonno EQ then
05:41.25damo22its a polynomial quotient
05:41.29freemangordonyep
05:41.35freemangordonanyway, bye for now
05:42.03damo22cya
05:44.06damo22DocScrutinizer05: what is the benefit of the filter in hardware? would it not be more useful as a filter to protect the speakers
05:44.25damo22rather than being used as an eq
05:45.59damo22ie, just set a steep highpass at 20Hz and lowpass at 20kHz?
05:46.39DocScrutinizer05sure
05:46.40damo22set and forget
05:47.00DocScrutinizer05and aiui Nokia is already using it that way
05:47.21damo22:)
05:47.24DocScrutinizer05parameters for that stuff are even on kernel's boot cmdline
05:47.28DocScrutinizer05afaik
05:47.37damo22cool
05:48.22DocScrutinizer05take the last staement with more than one grain of salt, I only know there's "something2 on kernel cmdline related to audio
05:48.30damo22:)
05:49.03DocScrutinizer05btw 20Hz for highpass is a lot for those small speakers
05:49.13DocScrutinizer05more like 50Hz
05:49.19damo22okay
05:49.24DocScrutinizer05maybe even 100
05:49.54DocScrutinizer05Nokia killed lots of speakers on their preprod protos, with that stuff ;-P
05:49.59damo22so is audio currently destroying peoples speakers?>
05:50.09damo22lol
05:50.17DocScrutinizer05device has a class-D amp with no proper DC-blocking X-P
05:50.19RST38hyawns
05:50.29damo22hahah
05:51.27DocScrutinizer05damo22: nope, now we got XPROT, some closed blob Nokia proprietary PA plugin
05:51.51damo22aww
05:51.58DocScrutinizer05does dynamic limiting / compression and some filtering, so the gossip
05:52.24DocScrutinizer05kick it out and mess with ALSA dieectly and your speekers are at peril
05:52.41damo22i dont really mind about that, i want to attach external sound card
05:52.55DocScrutinizer05glances at his spare speakers
05:53.38DocScrutinizer05afaik XPROT only is in the audio pipe for speakers, not though for any other audio sink
05:53.40damo22but my sound card draws 500mA
05:53.47DocScrutinizer05eeek
05:54.05damo22so i will need to power it externally
05:54.12DocScrutinizer05:nod:
05:54.30DocScrutinizer05Y-cable, external power plug on device, or popwered USB hub
05:54.53damo22ycable would be nice
05:55.06DocScrutinizer05wonders when coffee will kick in and if that will help for typos
05:55.23damo22i can get a ycable online?
05:55.32DocScrutinizer05easy
05:55.46DocScrutinizer05used for each >2.5" drive
05:56.01damo22k
05:56.01DocScrutinizer05there's zillion
05:56.46DocScrutinizer05two USB-M plugs, one USB-F or mini/micro-USB-M
05:57.15DocScrutinizer05lemme find my awesome picture for you
05:57.51damo22how cool would it be to have 2 matched studio microphones hooked up to my N900 recording audio to the microSD
05:59.13DocScrutinizer05anyway here's already the augmented booston script that gives you indications of overcurrent etc, sorry for the show effects I built in ;-P http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1023402#post1023402
06:00.41DocScrutinizer05http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203&highlight=Y-cable#post921203
06:01.28DocScrutinizer05dang, the externally stored pics are a PITA. OVI fileshare vanished, so did the photo in there
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06:03.33damo22awesome... any idea if i can get a sim card adapter for microsim -> ordinary sim
06:03.35DocScrutinizer05damo22: you also might want to learn about
06:03.37DocScrutinizer05~cssu
06:03.37infobotrumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
06:04.01damo22i am selling my iphone lol
06:04.24DocScrutinizer05those sim card adapters are rather common nowadays, never use them in slot-in SIM holders though
06:04.33DocScrutinizer05luckily N900 has no slot-in
06:04.42damo22sweet
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06:05.57DocScrutinizer05stuff like http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware is no news to you, I hope
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06:07.03DocScrutinizer05and, dunno if I already mentioned it, this page has some useful info, according to other users:
06:07.07DocScrutinizer05~jr-tools
06:07.08infobotjrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
06:07.39DocScrutinizer05NEVER do apt-get dist-upgrade!
06:07.47damo22lol ok
06:07.49DocScrutinizer05NEVER do apt-get autoremove
06:08.08DocScrutinizer05maemo is "different"
06:08.35damo22right ok
06:10.12DocScrutinizer05ATM the standard repos are down, due to Nokia hitting the sack
06:10.37DocScrutinizer05so you either find your way around, or you wait for things to return to normal state
06:10.46DocScrutinizer05~mirrors
06:10.46infobotit has been said that mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
06:10.51damo22thanks
06:10.52DocScrutinizer05~repo-down
06:10.52infoboti heard repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-30.log.html#t2013-01-30T00:51:04
06:11.04damo22very useful info!!
06:11.42DocScrutinizer05I think just enough stuff to read for your first day on N900 :-)
06:12.10damo22ample
06:13.32DocScrutinizer05consider to donate! ;-) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88222
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06:15.40damo22i will donate now, you already gave me a lot of help
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06:21.26DocScrutinizer05hey, the donation isn't for me and my help, it's for keeping your infra alive :-)
06:21.38damo22well i donated
06:22.15DocScrutinizer05all of the above links wouldn't be sustainable without community donors
06:22.30damo22yeah
06:22.34damo22understood
06:24.29damo22thanks Doc i gtg now
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06:27.27DocScrutinizer05cya
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06:29.17DocScrutinizer05(not sustainable) not even the mirrors, which work since some guys are willing to donor their "own" server stoarage space and bandwidth, skeiron even a dedicated server just for maemo backup only
06:30.03DocScrutinizer05s/donor/donate/
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06:56.11DocScrutinizer51ok, quite exactly 12h of 'idle' online via 3G, with xchat logged in to some 14 channels
06:56.42DocScrutinizer51not bad a battery standby time, eh?
06:57.12DocScrutinizer51actually I hardly can believe it
06:58.14DocScrutinizer05just thought "uh? what a sound? OMG I forgot to plug n900 to charger last evening"
07:00.06DocScrutinizer05left home 12:20 ago for shopping, and switched to 3G to have a short look at maps. since then it been idling like that, since I disabled auto-switch-to-WLAN yesterday and thus it stayed on 3G even when I came back home
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07:59.58kerioDocScrutinizer05: enough with the "don't do autoremove", cssu-enabler fixes that
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08:01.09kerioevery package listed as a dependency in the nokia metapackage is marked as manually installed
08:01.24kerio(ty Pali)
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08:11.48DocScrutinizer05kerio: wtf is cssu-enabler ;-P
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08:15.34ropeuhey, I have a problem with the alarm clock. The alarm has no sound :(
08:15.44kerio: one that enables another to achieve an end; especially : one who enables another to persist in self-destructive behavior (as substance abuse) by providing excuses or by making it possible to avoid the consequences of such behavior
08:15.59kerioropeu: check the volume levels for it
08:16.00ropeu(fremantle cssu, n900)
08:16.11kerioDocScrutinizer05: i think that the definition of enabler fits perfectly
08:17.29ropeuwhere can I check the volume? normally the alarm always and there is no alarm in nomal profile with sound
08:19.29kerioropeu: hm, you're quite correct
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08:19.39kerioropeu: which cssu?
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08:22.22kerio...dammit!
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08:32.22kerioi was about to make him pastebin the output of profileclient -v, for the record, and check clock.alarm.enabled
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08:41.38DocScrutinizer05when I got a script A that's doing >>B&<<, and I call ssh foo@bar A; what need I to do in B to make ssh A terminate instantly?
08:42.34DocScrutinizer05I gather the question is: how do I deamonize B ?
08:42.50DocScrutinizer05so it's detached from parent A
08:43.23DocScrutinizer05since otherwise ssh doesn't return until B terminates
08:43.42DocScrutinizer05or am I completely wrong?
08:44.17keriodaemons aren't just put in background
08:44.29keriothey disconnect stdin/stdout/stderr and ignore hangup
08:44.40DocScrutinizer05might "exec &>/dev/null </dev/null" suffice?
08:44.56DocScrutinizer05aaah ignore sighup
08:45.02DocScrutinizer05thaaaanks
08:45.06kerioso... nohup, probably
08:45.16DocScrutinizer05meh, I hate nohup
08:45.33kerioapparently you can double &
08:45.38keriolike (B &) &
08:45.49kerioso B detaches from the tty
08:45.56DocScrutinizer05it does?
08:46.06kerioit's a tip from linux-mag, iunno
08:46.07keriotest it
08:46.24keriostill working on your dead man's switch?
08:46.36DocScrutinizer05that's a funny thing with testing, this is a live system, your maemo fw ;-)
08:46.47kerioclearly you shouldn't call "reboot" then
08:46.53keriocall "echo penis"
08:47.26DocScrutinizer05o.O
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08:47.35DocScrutinizer05echo &>dev/null ?
08:47.50keriocall mkdir ~doc/rebooted
08:47.55kerioor touch ~doc/rebooted
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08:48.33DocScrutinizer05meh, I'll go with orthodox trap "" sighup;
08:48.52DocScrutinizer05and exec &>/dev/null </dev7null
08:49.48keriohm, is outputting to devnull the same as closing?
08:50.06DocScrutinizer05err not exactly
08:50.36DocScrutinizer05I seem to recall exec semantics also included closing of stdin stdout stderr
08:50.55DocScrutinizer05forgot how to do that
08:52.27DocScrutinizer05exec - execute commands and open, close, or copy file descriptors  - thanks posix manpage
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08:54.29DocScrutinizer05exec >&0 2>&0 <&0
08:54.38DocScrutinizer05could have figured
08:55.04kerioisn't <&0 implied? :o
08:55.19DocScrutinizer05implied in what?
08:55.26kerioisn't 0 stdin?
08:55.45DocScrutinizer05err, you might be right there, yeah
08:56.19DocScrutinizer05dang, I need more coffee
08:56.29DocScrutinizer05exec >&- 2>&- <&-
09:05.59thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: you'll love this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1319363&postcount=1   User wants a multiboot with cssu and PwnPhone :D :D
09:06.14keriooh god why
09:06.23kerioyes, it's doable
09:06.35DocScrutinizer05I'll ask him if he wants pink ponies too
09:06.44keriobut if you're the kind of person who'd use pwnphone, you're not good enough
09:08.15DocScrutinizer05pink pwnie
09:08.16thedead1440hehe
09:08.37thedead1440Anyone with a N810 please help on instructions of how to add temp mirror: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88870
09:08.46DocScrutinizer05omg
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09:08.50DocScrutinizer05nfc
09:08.55DocScrutinizer05and i have 2
09:09.06thedead1440thought those holding on to N810s wouldn't have such issues
09:09.38DocScrutinizer05I was strictly dumbass user on N810
09:10.00thedead1440well you aren't now so you can help him out :D
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09:10.15DocScrutinizer05no clue about maemo4 though
09:10.19DocScrutinizer05ask ShadowJK
09:12.13keriohow to fix n810: sell n810, buy n900
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09:17.24DocScrutinizer05oops, wall is nasty
09:17.37thedead1440hehe
09:18.02DocScrutinizer05I entered panic mode on fw, since my *local* tests spammed the ssh screen with "warning! rebooting in 5min"
09:18.43DocScrutinizer05lol
09:18.52thedead1440:D
09:20.40DocScrutinizer05jr@halebop:~> ssh newtmo ssh root@fw ./reboot1
09:20.41DocScrutinizer05reboot2: no process killed
09:20.43DocScrutinizer05jr@halebop:~>
09:20.47DocScrutinizer05that's the way I like it
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09:21.16thedead1440haha
09:21.27kerioDocScrutinizer05: don't chain sshs :(
09:21.54DocScrutinizer05kerio: why not?
09:22.08keriobecause the data from fw to halebop is also decrypted on newtmo
09:22.20DocScrutinizer05sure
09:22.22kerioextra security risk, extra used cpu
09:22.36keriook no, there's no extra used cpu
09:22.42keriobut it's a risk!1!1
09:22.48DocScrutinizer05:shrug: any other idea how to reach 10.0.0.8 behind the fw?
09:23.24keriossh -oProxyCommand="ssh newtmo nc %h %p" root@fw
09:23.39kerio(ideally you'd put that in your .ssh/config
09:23.44DocScrutinizer05meh
09:24.20kerioHost fw/HostName fw/User root/ProxyCommand ssh newtmo nc %h %p
09:24.28kerioand then ssh fw
09:24.39keriossh config is fucking sweet
09:25.00DocScrutinizer05I'm rather happy to have *any* access to that friggin fw, after fussing around with .ssh permissions and ssh-agent and whatnot
09:25.53DocScrutinizer05I still can't access fw from newly started xterm instances, only from a 6 weeks old one
09:26.05kerio...wat
09:26.34kerioDocScrutinizer05: just copy your id_rsa.pub in .ssh/authorized_keys
09:26.40Sicelowe have a most incredible fw :-/
09:27.27DocScrutinizer05kerio: yeah, and then wonder wtf one of my xterms allows acces to machine A, B, and C, while the other one only allows access to A and C
09:27.52kerioDocScrutinizer05: do you have a separate identity file for the fw?
09:28.01DocScrutinizer05no
09:28.14DocScrutinizer05just a new general purpose rsa key
09:28.15keriooh, actually
09:28.23keriowhy do you have to pass through newtmo?
09:28.36DocScrutinizer05because
09:28.49kerioit's an issue of agent key passthrough
09:29.13keriowhich is something that was made up for people who don't properly proxy their ssh connections, and instead do ssh newtmo ssh root@fw
09:29.33kerio( >:c )
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09:30.02kerioDocScrutinizer05: try ssh -oProxyCommand="ssh newtmo nc %h %p" root@fw in a new xterm
09:30.06DocScrutinizer05dang, I never had a need for that before I touched this maemo FW a few days ago
09:31.20keriothe nested ssh is ran by doc@newtmo, you can't expect *that* to have keys to the firewall
09:31.25Sicelowhat exactly is happening to the fw? vm  goes down?
09:31.30DocScrutinizer05kerio: you're my hero of the day :-)
09:31.45kerioif you have a properly-configured agent, the key from doc@halebop will be passed through
09:31.48keriowhich is fairly neat
09:34.59DocScrutinizer05while sleep 1800; do ssh -oProxyCommand="ssh newtmo nc %h %p" root@fw ./reboot1; done
09:35.49DocScrutinizer05root@MaemoFirewall:~ # cat reboot1
09:35.51DocScrutinizer05#!/bin/sh
09:35.52DocScrutinizer05killall reboot2
09:35.54DocScrutinizer05./reboot2&
09:36.14kerio:D
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09:37.51DocScrutinizer05the nice thing is: it enables and tickles the reboot2 "watchdog". So when local while loop doesn't run and calls reboot1, no bootloop will happen after first reboot on FW
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09:42.21keriowell
09:42.26keriothat might be bad, too
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09:47.48DocScrutinizer05how might that be bad?
09:48.37DocScrutinizer05except for the max 910s delay after a reboot until watchdog gets engaged?
09:48.51DocScrutinizer05(I chnaged sleep in my local loop to 910)
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09:50.59kerioDocScrutinizer05: if your computer ends up under a bus, we won't have any reboots! D:
09:51.52DocScrutinizer05well, til 2h ago you wouldn't have any reboots at all
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09:53.29DocScrutinizer05any with sustaining this constant semi-manual monitoring of FW, and running from "random places to my terminal at home, to give the almost dead FW a revivla boot, *I* would end under a bus in 2 days
09:54.00DocScrutinizer05s/"/$/
09:57.39M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: Thanks a lot for keeping Maemo alive ! :)
09:57.50DocScrutinizer05yw
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11:29.48kerioDocScrutinizer05: what's the RMO situation at the moment? who are we waiting for?
11:36.20DocScrutinizer05the "grid guy" aiui. last (related) msg from Eero been [2013-01-28 10:41:00] <mashiara> ok, stage now has an external vif that is configured but not up, local iptables needs still to be configured. (and [2013-01-28 10:58:32] <mashiara> oh, I *will* take time off when things quiet down enough for it)
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15:03.46DocScrutinizer05[sidenote] prepare for FW reboot during next 30min
15:07.21keriomy body is ready
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15:20.59Lava_Crofttime for the unfusion, kerio
15:21.02Lava_Croftlay back and relax
15:21.07Lava_Croftthis might sting
15:31.22DocScrutinizer05[sidenote] FW rebooted. Tomorrow we finally might get another try on repository.maemo.org
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15:41.56DocScrutinizer05courtesy warfare
15:42.32DocScrutinizer05warfare: don't forget tomoorow council meeting ;-)
15:42.52DocScrutinizer051800, UTC!
15:43.00DocScrutinizer05that's 1900CET
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16:06.18chem|stquoting ppl sending via talk webinterface "each time m tring to connect my yappari,its always tells me connection timed out.  i wil like to know wht the reason was nd what
16:06.21chem|stremedy can be proffer to it
16:08.18chem|stbtw I do not fscking care if any of your scientology-fsck-apps do not work!
16:09.13kerioscientology? :o
16:11.13thedead1440Sc0rpius: ^^^ Yappari issue :D
16:12.19Sc0rpiushuh?
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16:19.20DocScrutinizer05chem|st: I feel with you
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16:20.26DocScrutinizer05chem|st: turn off all PM in tmo, I always thought it's useless and EVIL[TM] ;-)
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16:45.03Estel_freemangordon,  all new thumbs released in thumb repo should work OK and you've not announced new thumb version due to repo migration fiasco, or there is something broken there
16:45.24freemangordonthey should work
16:45.26Estel_(and/or something that require normal repos/mirrors to be set up, before updating)?
16:45.28Estel_thanks
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16:47.44Estel_erm, quick question to someone knowledgeable - HAM exports its repo settings to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
16:47.55Estel_it also affects apt-get
16:48.31Estel_now, editing hildon-application-manager.list works only temporaly. Is there any way to edit it (where ham reeally stores it) without using HAM itself?
16:48.42keriohildon-application-manager-config
16:48.56kerioyou MUST use it to change ham's configuration
16:49.00kerio~2119
16:49.00infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.
16:49.24Estel_last thing I'm using HAM and it's slowness glory, is to keep sync between apt repos and fapman repos, so editing it directly would save me from firing up HAM ever...
16:49.30Estel_kerio,  thanks
16:49.37Estel_regular folder or gconf entry?
16:49.48keriono, no, binary
16:50.29Estel_oh lol
16:50.31kerio/usr/bin/hildon-application-manager-config
16:50.52Estel_/etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues won't work? :P
16:51.11kerionot if HAM's running
16:51.14kerioand/or apt-worker
16:52.08Estel_erm, how one is supposed to add repo by hildon-application-manager-config?
16:52.22Estel_usage is quite sparse
16:52.54keriobeats me
16:52.58keriocheck the source
16:53.09kerioor community-ssu-enabler's postinst/prerm
16:54.41Estel_nods
16:55.21kerioEstel_: btw, have you installed the battery applet i linked you?
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16:55.55Estel_new one without default rx51? havent seen that link yet, got 1300+ lines logged on #maemo
16:56.01Estel_:P
16:56.06Estel_so it's just assumption
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16:56.11Estel_that it's something new
16:56.27kerioEstel_: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1405219/status-area-applet-battery_1.0-3%2Bkerio0_armel.deb
16:56.36kerioor, if you don't trust the binary, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1405219/status-area-applet-battery_1.0-3%2Bkerio0.tar.gz
16:56.37Estel_OK, wtf is that?
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16:56.45kerioEstel_: magic
16:56.52Estel_modified by you to get rid of rx51?
16:57.00Estel_pali haven't released it yet, yep?
16:57.12Estel_should be installed on top of bme replacement suite?
16:57.20kerioit should work in every situation
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16:57.41kerioit's just that now rx51's design data is only used if bq27k can't provide a capacity
16:57.50Estel_sure, but why to edit startup scripts myself if there is thing doing it made by Pali and will be compatible with his future releases
16:57.53Estel_nice
16:58.05keriooh, it also has a noticeably faster startup
16:58.24kerioEstel_: this is just the battery applet
16:58.26Estel_erm, refresh my memory, what is missing as compared to vanilla bme, re functionality?
16:58.28kerioit'll work with bme too if you want
16:58.34Estel_no, I don't :P
16:58.48kerioit's a replacement battery applet, it'll work with everything, really
16:58.57Estel_charging from usb port works if one limits current (or automagically, already?)
16:59.08Estel_I mean bme replace suite
16:59.13keriooic
16:59.13Estel_as whole
16:59.28Estel_does it shutdown device gently on user-defined voltage?
16:59.34kerionot user-defined
16:59.41kerioit's hardcoded at EDVF
16:59.45Estel_so when? and why isn't it configurable?:P
16:59.48keriowhich will probably be changed, because it's a bit too low
16:59.55Estel_erm, edvf was? 2800?
16:59.56kerioaccepting user configuration is a bitch
17:00.00Estel_or 3000?
17:00.00keriosomething like that, yes
17:00.04keriono, 2800
17:00.08Estel_2800 is way too low
17:00.23keriothat'll probably be changed in the future
17:00.29kerioit's a hald-addon-bme thing afaik
17:00.47Estel_kerio, if you compiled applet with modified code, just go and modify it to accept user defined sysfs entry for shutdown, too :P
17:00.56Estel_mhm
17:01.00keriono, it's userspace
17:01.28Estel_if one ask me, easiest way would be to shutdown if device is continously at or below 3000mV for 15 seconds
17:01.38kerioEstel_: why 15 seconds?
17:01.49Estel_...which replaces all of bme funny "low voltage peaks measurement"
17:01.53keriojust shut down at below 3000
17:01.58Estel_nope
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17:02.04Estel_would waste power on peaks
17:02.11kerio?
17:02.16Estel_even calibration uses 15 seconds on 3248
17:02.19Estel_to avoid peaks
17:02.22keriohm
17:02.38kerioyou'd have to poll, though
17:02.49Estel_well, most of the time you would be 50-100 mA above real 3000mV, if you would shutdown on peak momentary 3000
17:02.55Estel_hm
17:03.10kerioso it would be "15 consecutive measurements below 3000"
17:03.25Estel_or 3, if it's measured every 5 seconds
17:03.26kerioanyway, proposals are welcome, according to Pali
17:03.36kerioi'm not sure how often hald-addon-bme updates
17:03.47kerioanyway, test my applet pls :3
17:03.58Estel_sure
17:04.11Estel_does it have chances o blowing up my system, or I can skip doing full backupmenu backup?:P
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17:04.59kerioit relies on hald-addon-bme to push charging/not charging info, so if you don't use bme or the replacement, you'll only get the "charging" notification when it polls for it, every 30s
17:05.18kerioEstel_: i can almost guarantee that it'll not turn your n900 in a nuclear reactor
17:05.22keriobut not quite
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17:05.51kerio(it should be "safe" - after installing, killall hildon-status-menu)
17:06.08Estel_;)
17:06.13Estel_downloading
17:06.19Estel_btw
17:06.29Estel_so you got your compiling enviromnent set up, after all?
17:06.44kerioi just launched the scratchbox VM
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17:07.46Estel_I wonder if it works with virtualbox too?
17:07.48Estel_anyway
17:07.52kerioi used virtualbox
17:07.57keriowith the default ubuntu settings
17:08.00Estel_:)
17:08.15Estel_no manual steps needed to fix vm image anymore, to get rid of some bugs?
17:08.58merlin1991thumb stuff is still in there
17:09.00kerioi installed the virtualbox guest thing
17:09.03merlin1991so you still have to clean that
17:09.09keriooh
17:09.22kerio...well, i sure hope Estel_ has a kernel with thumb support
17:09.40merlin1991kerio: nah the gcc in the vm image is foobar
17:09.44merlin1991regarding thumb
17:09.56merlin1991so anything that ends up as thumb will be bad
17:10.07merlin1991but I suppose your makefile does not check DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS for thumb?
17:10.26Estel_merlin1991,  thanks, I vaguely remembered smth like that. No one released fixed vm image, yet?
17:10.38merlin1991nope
17:11.19Estel_I would like to compile javispedro's unreleased latest version of fm radio for maemo, which allow analog passthrough without cpu...
17:11.27keriomerlin1991: i don't think so, it's pali's makefile
17:11.38Estel_afaik it was "just compile" ready, no idea why he haven't released it...
17:12.05Estel_but I would like to do so with new compiler and all thumb godness. Even thinking about setting dev env. from scratch, for that, gives me headache
17:12.15Estel_(I'm coding/compiling noob, sadly)
17:12.52kerioit's just scratchbox that's awful at being good
17:14.25merlin1991huh?
17:14.32Estel_~seen javispedro
17:14.35infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 88d 21h 31m 46s ago, saying: 'get a macintosh!'.
17:14.44Estel_ough
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17:24.52DocScrutinizer05famous last words
17:34.55Estel_DocScrutinizer05,  question to you as maemo irc specialist
17:35.06Estel_might be kind of mission impossible, yet...
17:36.12Estel_Anywhere from 2 months ago to year ago javispedro posted here - in conversation with me - link to source code of latest, unreleased version of his radio program - it was in garage, so is probably easily findable...
17:36.37Estel_but, in next line, he also posted link to patch, fixing some issue, patch posted "somewhere" - maybe in garage, or not
17:36.41Estel_now my question
17:36.51Estel_any ideas how to effectively search irc logs for it? :P
17:36.59cehtehgrep
17:37.04Estel_having this situation description
17:37.09Estel_sure, but what to grep
17:37.17keriojavispedro and http
17:37.23Estel_hm
17:37.27cehtehand fm maybe
17:37.32Estel_erm, where are logs not divided by days?
17:37.43Estel_searching every day separately = not fun
17:37.47cehtehrgrep
17:37.56cehtehgrep -r
17:37.56kerioEstel_: you'd have to use your own logs
17:38.02kerioor ask someone with logs
17:38.03cehtehgrep #maemo*
17:38.10keriothe web interface is quite slow to search
17:38.14Estel_kerio, doesn't have from that moment
17:38.46Estel_cehteh, could you elaborate? I must admit I'm quite green here, what should I rgrep, as I only know weblogs of irc
17:38.52Estel_of this irc channel
17:39.02Estel_it could be at #maemo or #maemo-ssu
17:39.04cehtehyou have personal logs?
17:39.17Estel_sadly, not from times in question
17:39.26arceanhttp://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-08-03.log.html#t2012-08-03T00:58:55
17:39.28arcean?
17:39.30cehtehok then not
17:40.08Estel_arcean,  god, how you've found it in ~30 seconds?
17:40.12Estel_I'm speechless
17:40.28cehtehgoogle perhaps :P
17:40.35Estel_:P
17:40.47arceanyeah, google :)
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17:41.56Estel_well, I feel dumb :) thanks anyway
17:42.11Estel_in fact huge thanks
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17:48.17Estel_kerio,  see query
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17:51.27keriomerlin1991: where should i disable the thumbification?
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17:58.55merlin1991kerio /scratchbox/users/$somename/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL.enironment
17:59.17merlin1991there should be an export line for DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, remove the thumb part
17:59.25kerioEstel_ et al.: http://db.tt/G9cHLpNy
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18:11.05Estel_kerio is it cfm?
18:11.16kerioyes
18:11.16Estel_with that thing defined?
18:11.24Estel_~cyber-orgasm
18:11.41kerioyeah, but i can't get the "analog bypass" to work
18:12.09Estel_oh, you always have to blow it like that? :P
18:12.13Estel_thanks anyway, will test it
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18:12.25Estel_surely you defined adv audio routing on correct place?
18:12.47kerioyes, yes
18:12.54kerioi mean, it appears to reduce the cpu usage *slightly*
18:12.55Estel_ADV_AUDIO_ROUTING 1 should be responsible for it being real function, not mockup
18:13.00Estel_ah
18:13.07keriobut not quite
18:13.18Estel_the question is if you will be able to blow up speakers, if yes, analog passthrough is on
18:13.21Estel_seriously though
18:13.28Estel_tune to same station on another analog radio
18:13.35Estel_and see if N900 sound lags behind
18:13.40Estel_if it lags, it's digital
18:13.49Estel_if it's sync'ed, it's analog passthrough
18:14.33keriowhen i click on "analog passthrough", it jumps ahead a bit
18:15.02Estel_installing, will test it in a few seconds
18:15.09kerioEstel_: analog passthrough goes to the headphones anyway
18:15.25keriobut it still seems at least partially controlled by pulseaudio
18:15.49Estel_it seems that you can define other route via options, speakers aren't connected to digital only? or are?
18:16.12Estel_couldn't be, javispedro was quite sure, that you can't even put filter there
18:16.29Estel_or i have no idea
18:16.45kerioi assume that the analog passthrough will default to the headphones when they're connected
18:16.49kerioaka every time, when using the radio
18:17.52Estel_I'm curious if it can be redefined during runtime
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18:18.08Estel_javispedro mentioned smth about options for "defining audio route whatever you want"
18:19.11Estel_wonders what's the difference between /usr/bin/cfmradio and /usr/bin/cfmradio.launch
18:19.18Estel_both seems to be binary
18:19.24Estel_no sh wrapper
18:19.37kerioEstel_: ls -l would've shown you :)
18:19.41kerioit uses maemo-invoker
18:19.47keriowhich is fairly neat, not a lot of programs do that
18:20.31Estel_what are benefits of using maemo-launcher?
18:20.34Estel_invoker
18:20.40keriogtk aren't loaded again
18:20.54Estel_elaborate?
18:21.07keriothe binary is basically loaded as a plugin by maemo-launcher
18:22.09Estel_neat
18:22.23Estel_btw what the hell "reset plugin to hf" means?
18:22.33kerioi assume he meant HP as in Head Phones
18:22.49Estel_no, it's "reset audio to hf". Headphone? why reset to headphone?
18:22.58Estel_hp
18:23.09keriobecause you can switch the audio to the speaker
18:23.20kerioor to the analog passthrough
18:23.29keriothe default would be to switch back to the headphones
18:23.40Estel_yea, noticed that, every button have reverse one instead of toogle. no big deal
18:24.06keriono, it's just that there's more than one option for audio
18:24.11Estel_finally, no kinetic scrolling
18:24.23keriobtw, i get no sound output if i click on analog passthrough twice
18:24.30Estel_lol
18:24.32kerioi have to reset and reenable it
18:24.40kerioit's clearly not perfect
18:26.06Estel_analog passthrough still works, though, sound is in perfect sync with my desktop fm radio hi-fi
18:26.14Estel_if analog passthrough is enabled
18:26.17kerioyeah, yeah
18:26.23keriopulseaudio is still doing something though
18:26.48Estel_yes, but much less than before, in my case
18:26.57Estel_will measure power usage difference, later
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18:32.13Estel_well, it definitelly could use some polishing - bug you've mentioned, + it tried to name stations by rds but get only part of it, resulting in funny names during auto-scan (I haven't found a way to change name of presets)...
18:32.28Estel_will dig if I can find configuration files for manually editting that
18:32.54Estel_still, lightweightness and analog passthrough as opposed to fm radio program, is amazing here
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18:33.35Estel_+ no idea who thought it's good idea to do kinetic scrolling of radio frequencies while updating them in real-time during said kinetic scroll... in FM Radio, not cfmradio, obviously
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18:35.05Estel_after turning it off, error:
18:35.06Estel_Memory pool destroyed but not all memory blocks freed! 4368 remain
18:35.18Estel_does it mean what I think it mean?
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18:37.06kerioidk
18:37.08keriodoes it?
18:37.23keriomeasure the memory usage of maemo-launcher
18:37.56kerioi can recompile it without maemo-launcher support i think
18:40.25Estel_well, every time count of left blocks is different
18:40.36Estel_if you just open and close it, no such message
18:40.51DocScrutinizer05http://privatepaste.com/b6376f142f  guess when I booted the FW ;-)
18:41.04Estel_after some usage, the loinger you use it and mess with more options, the higher number of blocks remain
18:41.08Estel_memory leak? :/
18:41.16Estel_kerio^
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18:42.44kerioEstel_: maybe, idk
18:42.50keriowould it persist, is the real question
18:43.10LinuxCodehmmm
18:43.20LinuxCodeIm trying to reinstall my N900, but the link to extras doesnt seem to work
18:43.28kerioLinuxCode: /topic
18:43.30Estel_no idea why ;)
18:43.35Estel_~repos-down
18:43.40Estel_~repo-down
18:43.40infobotrumour has it, repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-30.log.html#t2013-01-30T00:51:04
18:43.40kerio~mirrors
18:43.40infobotfrom memory, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
18:43.48Estel_~migration-fiasco
18:43.53kerioEstel_: fu
18:43.54Estel_can't remember how it was called
18:44.01Estel_what? :D
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18:44.10LinuxCodehmmm
18:44.26kerioLinuxCode: you chose quite the fun time to reinstall your n900
18:44.33keriobut it's ok, because it means that you can also install cssu
18:44.35Estel_but it's still possible
18:44.36LinuxCodeno kidding
18:44.39Estel_and quite easy to do
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18:44.54Estel_just turn off regular repos and enable mirrors
18:44.58kerioi recommend merlin1991's extras-devel-light and community-testing-light repos
18:45.01LinuxCodekerio, I resized my N900, but failed, with the rescue image it worked
18:45.02keriothey're light
18:45.09Estel_MartinK_N9,  kudos for modRana cobs repo approach
18:45.38Estel_youmre quite independent from migration fiasco problems (unless we're talking about dependencies, which may be in downed repo...)
18:46.19Estel_just defined modrana cobs in fam and it's amazingly easy and fun to use, instead of messing with repos. I just wonder how it would be handled if migration to cobs would be ever performed?
18:46.27Estel_separate repo entry for every package?
18:46.30keriocobs? wtf is cobs?
18:46.31kerioeeeeeew
18:46.42Estel_kerio,  MartinK_N9 created cobs for modrana
18:46.45Estel_even before fiasco
18:46.51kerioyeah but wtf is cobs
18:46.59Estel_community obs
18:47.29Estel_aka painless approach to repositories, bulding (bye bye outdated autobuilder) and everything(tm)
18:48.19Estel_and thing that was meanto to be the way maemo repos will migrate, until our volounteer staff got lazy due to nokia donating too much hardware and paid worktime, top migrate depreciated autobuilder and co
18:48.27Estel_<PROTECTED>
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18:48.45Estel_which is why we're still in limbo, instead of using shiny cobs
18:48.57Estel_lol @ Merlin1973
18:49.36Estel_kerio,  where the fuck cfm radio keeps configs, like presets?
18:49.40Estel_can't seem to find it
18:49.47keriowhere the fuck am i supposed to know
18:49.50kerio*how
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18:50.07kerioi suppose "where" is the source
18:50.10Estel_you just compiled the source code! :D
18:50.39Estel_now be prepared to be treated as deity and need to know answer to every question
18:50.51Estel_compiling is step into heaven's throne
18:50.54Estel_seriously though
18:51.00kerioare they even saved
18:51.30Estel_yes, they are
18:51.48kerioi gave you the tarball, you tell me
18:51.57Estel_:P
18:52.14Estel_will investigate it later, it isn't in any obvious locaion
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18:54.35keriooh, gconf
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18:55.48kerioEstel_: /apps/maemo/cfmradio
18:56.24LinuxCodekerio, was repository.maemo.org up at all ?
18:56.26LinuxCodebefore
18:56.34keriobefore the migration? sure
18:56.35DocScrutinizer05Estel_: stop telling BS and insulting volunteers
18:56.41LinuxCodeor has it been down since the move
18:56.42LinuxCodeomg
18:56.44LinuxCodek
18:56.50LinuxCodeso its been down since the move
18:57.00LinuxCode;-|
18:58.34DocScrutinizer05Estel_: I'm tolerating zero such behaviour anymore of you
18:58.47kerioit's not easy to keep a server up when akamai DDoSes it
18:59.03LinuxCodeis that what is happening ?
18:59.09LinuxCodehow come ?!?
18:59.13kerioit was the original problem, yes
18:59.19keriobecause nokia used akamai
18:59.33kerioand when the migration happened, akamai decided that it had to redownload the whole of rmo
18:59.44LinuxCodeohh man
18:59.56LinuxCodeiptables cant fix it ?
19:00.48DocScrutinizer05~repo-down
19:00.48infobotwell, repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-30.log.html#t2013-01-30T00:51:04
19:02.42LinuxCodethe maemo packages are signed correct ?
19:03.09keriothe signing of the repository isn't the problem, the problem is that the default package manager only wants packages from certain repos
19:03.17keriowants certain packages, that is
19:03.22LinuxCodeno, Im asking because I have a suggestion to make
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19:03.39LinuxCodehow about using mirrors ?
19:03.45LinuxCodelike we do in Fedora
19:03.53kerio~mirrors
19:03.54infobotextra, extra, read all about it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
19:04.29LinuxCodekerio, Im talking about more than two ;-p
19:04.34keriothere's three
19:04.38LinuxCodeok three
19:04.52keriowe can barely afford one server, let alone one for each country
19:05.03LinuxCodeFedoras kind mirror providers have a total bw capacity of 234GB
19:05.23LinuxCodeyou missed the point I was making
19:05.28LinuxCodefree to you
19:05.43kerioanyway, the problem isn't the lack of mirrors, the problem is the lack of infrastructure, at the moment
19:06.20kerioand the fact that the currently-active n900s will still hammer repository.maemo.org
19:06.38LinuxCodek
19:06.41keriofor the extras repo
19:06.52kerioeventually yeah, having mirrors would be good, especially if free :)
19:06.53LinuxCodejust a suggestion
19:07.00DocScrutinizer05LinuxCode: skeiron for example has a load of maybe 1% of available bandwidth
19:07.24DocScrutinizer05so how would more mirrors help?
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19:10.26LinuxCodeDocScrutinizer05, if akamai keeps hammering
19:10.36LinuxCodeanyway, I know nothing about all that so I just shut up
19:10.40LinuxCodewas just an idea
19:11.03DocScrutinizer05akamai servers are down, DNS stage.maemo.org is gone
19:11.35LinuxCodek
19:11.39DocScrutinizer05tomorrow we start another effort to ramp up repo.m.o again
19:11.45LinuxCodekk
19:13.43LinuxCodebtwm thank you for all your efforts
19:13.46LinuxCode-m
19:13.52LinuxCodeit is really appreciated
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19:22.36Lava_Crofti wonder how much fun it would be to contact nokia care about the repos being down
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19:23.25kerio"your device is out of warranty. by the way, did you know that lumias are really great?"
19:23.38Lava_Croftthey already tried that with an N8 when i sent in my first n900 for repairs
19:23.44Lava_Crofttook me several months to get a n900 back:<
19:25.32DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: I'm seriously encouraging you to do exactly that, call Nokia care and ask what's up with the repos, with tablets-dev.nokia.com(!) and generally with their support for a product you still can buy *new* with 2 years warranty in the EU
19:25.46kerioLinuxCode: anyway, install CSSU
19:25.51kerio(if you haven't already)
19:25.59LinuxCodeI had it installed before yes
19:26.03Lava_CroftI already mentioned the strangeness regarding the support for the n900
19:26.17Lava_Croftthey already decided it was end of life in 2010
19:26.21Lava_Croftwhen i sent in mine for repairs
19:26.37Lava_Croftnokia care monkey did not have an answer
19:26.44Lava_Crofthe did mention how symbian belle would be awesome
19:26.46LinuxCodekerio, installing CSSSU fresh is just adding the repo right ?
19:26.53kerioLinuxCode: not quite
19:26.56LinuxCodeI seem to recall there was a package
19:26.58Lava_CroftLinuxCode: you click a link
19:27.02Lava_Crofton a wiki page
19:27.05Lava_Croftthats all
19:27.05LinuxCodewhich also did the kernel ?
19:27.07kerioLinuxCode: which cssu flavour do you want?
19:27.13LinuxCodeehhh
19:27.16keriono, the kernel is still untouched by cssu
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19:27.20kerioLinuxCode: stable or testing?
19:27.21Lava_CroftLinuxCode: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
19:27.24LinuxCodeohh stable
19:27.26LinuxCodeplease
19:27.30Lava_Croftclick Stable image
19:27.34Lava_Croftread page
19:27.36LinuxCodek
19:27.37Lava_Croftor the other way around:)
19:27.40keriodisclaimer: cssu stable is stable as in debian stable
19:27.42LinuxCodeta Lava_Croft kerio
19:27.45Lava_Croftnp
19:27.47kerioLinuxCode: hold on though
19:28.01keriofollow the instructions, at some point it'll ask you to do a system upgrade
19:28.14keriobefore doing that you'll have to enable a mirror for the "community" repo
19:28.22LinuxCodek
19:28.43keriooh, and unless you've enabled a mirror for "extras", you won't be able to install backupmenu
19:28.46keriofind a way to install it
19:28.47kerioit is good
19:28.48sixwheeledbeast~seen wirr
19:28.52infobotwirr <~wirr@xdsl-188-155-55-161.adslplus.ch> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19h 15m 35s ago, saying: 'cool... thanks - night'.
19:28.55LinuxCodekerio, kk
19:29.08LinuxCodeseesm the wiki covers most of what you just said, thank you
19:29.09keriofull on-device backups aren't common, are they
19:29.32Lava_Croftthe only time i used backupmenu it completely failed to put the backup back in place
19:29.49Lava_Croftthats probably fixed by now thouh
19:29.50kerioLava_Croft: when did you do that?
19:29.56Lava_Croftquite a while ago:)
19:30.00kerioyeah, the first version was absolute crap
19:30.07kerioand then it was turned into gold
19:30.09Lava_Croftit completely broke
19:30.12Lava_Croftyeah, i know
19:30.13keriokinda like king midas
19:30.18Lava_Croftbut that negative experience will always remain
19:30.20kerioLava_Croft: BACKUP YOUR N900! >:C
19:30.22Lava_Croftthats the power of negative experiences
19:30.32keriohe should've changed the name maybe
19:31.09Lava_Crofti think i actually removed the backup i had on the device
19:31.11Lava_Croftnot too long ago
19:31.21Lava_Crofti mean, as long as i dont touch anything and repos are down, im safe
19:31.25Lava_Croft:)
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19:45.57Estel_DocScrutinizer05,  "critics are users too". As said, always, things presented by me are my personal opinion and no one is forced to agree with me
19:46.06Estel_I'm doing it in polite way, without demanding anything
19:46.28Estel_so I will keep my right to think that some decisions made by volounteers may be bad too
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19:47.20Estel_if you're certain that anything other than eternal gratefulness to hildon foundation staff isn't permitted on this channel, kick/ban me, and I'll have to live with giving this place a laugh *shrug*
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19:47.44Estel_not to mentiin that I'm not bombing anyone about my opinions - just dropped a comment or two when someone asked about this certain thing
19:47.50Estel_so, gtfo of me, kindly. thanks.
19:47.57Estel_s/of/from/
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20:15.30DocScrutinizer05Estel_: I give a shit who does or does not agree with you and what you declare your statements. Stop telling BS and don't insult people. This is an official warning
20:17.19DocScrutinizer05to make it utterly clear to you so there will be no missunderstandings: "volounteer staff got lazy due to nokia donating too much hardware and paid worktime"
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20:17.52DocScrutinizer05will not be tolerated
20:18.01DocScrutinizer05no matter what you declare it to be
20:18.23DocScrutinizer05even if your next lime is "just kidding" you earn a ban on next such statement
20:18.50DocScrutinizer05was this clear and understandable enough for you?
20:20.14DocScrutinizer05I'm willing to elaborate even further if you still don't see why such staement is a) based on outright false propositions, a whole bunch of them, and b) an insult
20:21.22DocScrutinizer05or rather, no. On second thought I'm not, since i'm sure you already know but would troll me to explain it to you
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20:27.19DocScrutinizer05I even admit that I'd probably not even notice such nonsense when anybody else would post it. It's just for your extremely long record of purposely using this type of twisting facts into lies and then salting them with an insult.
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21:46.48muellisoftoh noez. http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php seems to be down. Does anyone have the flasher and an n900 image..?
21:47.10jacekowskii do
21:47.25jacekowskihttp://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/
21:47.33Muellijacekowski: nice.
21:47.36jacekowskihttp://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/ - firmware is here
21:48.27Muellijacekowski: do you happen to have the flasher executable lying around, too? I.e. not the deb package? I don't really mind unpacking that stuff, but if you happen to have that handy, it'd be appreciated.
21:49.22jacekowskinope
21:49.24jacekowskijust .deb
21:49.31jacekowskior windows .exe
21:50.47MuelliFWIW: https://muelli.cryptobitch.de/tmp/2013-01-31-flasher-3.5
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21:51.28Muelligonna be fun to run your backdoored firmware ;-)
21:53.17Muellifirst the firmware then the eMMC, right?
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21:55.06merlin1991~flashing
21:55.07infobotfrom memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
21:55.28kerioif the system is working, you can do vanilla and then combined
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22:01.21sixwheeledbeastwirr: ping
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22:31.26LinuxCodekerio, Im getting invalid signatures, key expired
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22:31.43kerioLinuxCode: that's from the nokia repos
22:31.47LinuxCodefor the maemo-archive.wedrop.it
22:31.48kerioand yes, it's a known problem
22:31.50kerio...oh
22:31.56keriowait, what? no you don't
22:32.13kerioyou're getting key expired for the nokia keys
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22:32.59LinuxCodeerrrm
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22:33.13LinuxCodeI thought the archive had a direct rsync ?
22:33.20kerio*nokia* repos
22:33.24kerioaka downloads.maemo.nokia.com
22:33.30kerioas opposed to repository.maemo.org
22:33.34LinuxCodeI disabled all those
22:33.58keriomeh, you could've used the official nokia.com servers
22:34.01LinuxCodeand replaced with maemo-archive.wedrop.it
22:34.01keriobut anyway
22:34.08kerioyes, the nokia key is expired
22:34.11LinuxCodek /me disabled the arcdhive ones
22:34.17kerioso HAM won't upgrade a package from them
22:34.21LinuxCodesec
22:34.28keriowhich is not a big problem, because they won't release upgrades
22:35.23DocScrutinizer05[minor sidenote] rmo up
22:35.40LinuxCodeahh excellent
22:36.03tadzikyyyay
22:36.09tadzikpersistenty?
22:36.39kerioDocScrutinizer05: sloooooooooooooow
22:36.42DocScrutinizer05since a few minutes
22:36.49DocScrutinizer05kerio: suuuuuure
22:36.50tadzikeveryone's dosing it now I guess
22:37.00DocScrutinizer05exactamente
22:37.08DocScrutinizer0520Mbit
22:37.24kerioi don't get it
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22:37.27keriowe've got 280 people here
22:37.35DocScrutinizer05might decay during minutes to hours
22:37.39keriothese aren't n900s, they're not constantly trying to access rmo
22:37.59DocScrutinizer05the heck knows what it is
22:38.08keriowhat are the user agents?
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22:43.09DocScrutinizer05no useragents available, but mostly gets on Packages.gz
22:43.50keriohm... it's quite fast now
22:43.53eccerr0rcrap. my microsd card from my 5230 isn't working in my n900.  grr.
22:43.57DocScrutinizer051026 unique ips.
22:43.58keriogreat, and i talked
22:44.04kerioDocScrutinizer05: holy balls
22:44.54kerioDocScrutinizer05: for the next migration, we should make sure that the timestamp on Release is the same
22:45.01eccerr0r1026 over how long?
22:45.09qwazixIf the N900 is starved for updates does it retry continuously or on the next interval?
22:46.48DocScrutinizer05I give you data, you give me theories
22:48.04kerioqwazix: would be interesting to figure out
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22:48.51merlin1991ah yeah we should look into reducing the bloat in the packges.gz
22:48.58merlin1991since it is redownloaded by ham
22:49.02merlin1991a lot
22:49.08qwazixkerio: :nod:
22:49.12keriomerlin1991: i don't think ham supports pdiffs
22:49.14keriodoes it?
22:49.19merlin1991kerio: I'm going to check it
22:49.41merlin1991but even if it doesn't support pdiffs, the repos can be brought in shape again
22:49.57merlin1991some packages have a bazillion versions in the repo even though they should only have 3 at max
22:50.13kerioi assume the only bottleneck is extras
22:50.31merlin1991nah extras-devel
22:50.35keriobecause it's the only one enabled by default in pr1.3
22:50.36merlin1991extras is small compared
22:50.43merlin1991extras is peanuts
22:50.52keriomerlin1991: but devel isn't enabled by default
22:51.10LinuxCodewhen I run apt-get I get waiting for headers, then that seems to time out
22:51.17LinuxCodehehe
22:51.22LinuxCodeguess it is overloaded
22:51.43merlin1991kerio: extras 3.1m, devel is 8.8m
22:51.51qwazixwhen everything is settled we need to resync maemo.org/downloads with extras
22:52.00kerioLinuxCode: and that's why it's been mostly down since the migration
22:52.13qwazixit's out of sync well before the migration
22:52.59LinuxCodedisabled extras-devel
22:53.03LinuxCode-d+s
22:53.16sixwheeledbeasta load of packages could be removed due to being obsolete/broken
22:54.34keriomerlin1991: extras-devel-light is like 7mb
22:54.39kerioit's not a lot less
22:56.26DocScrutinizer05down to 17MBit
22:56.27merlin1991well the biggest part in the packages file is the package icon
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22:57.14merlin1991which seldom changes, hence is easily compressed
22:58.02merlin1991uncompressed it's 15 mb vs 26 Mb
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22:58.34keriomerlin1991: btw, e-d-l feature request: strip useless fields from packages' control
22:58.48kerioat least in Packages
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23:01.10qwazixStripping the icons from control and replacing them with url which cssu ham would lazyload would be the right thing
23:01.33qwazixIt would break non-cssu ham icon display though
23:03.36DocScrutinizer051679 unique IPs
23:03.58DocScrutinizer0517Mbit
23:04.10DocScrutinizer05*.m.o stable it seems
23:04.27DocScrutinizer05should, since we're bypassing FW now
23:06.20DocScrutinizer05I guess it will decrease over time, when the ones waiting since eternities all have downloaded the packages.gz and further requsts are statistically spread and most just checking for updates rather than actually doing full packages.gz download
23:07.50DocScrutinizer05quite obviously something is trafficshaping/limiting our repo upstream at ~17Mb
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23:10.06FIQoh repo is up? or what? :o
23:10.06kerioDocScrutinizer05: let's hope the situation normalizes over time
23:10.06kerioor we're screwed
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23:10.39LinuxCodeDocScrutinizer05, when I download packages it sits there for a while
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23:11.50DocScrutinizer05kerio: why we're screwed? each client seems to leach with ~10kb right now
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23:12.10DocScrutinizer05update takes a bit longer than usual ;-D
23:12.13LinuxCodenow its dl
23:12.21LinuxCodeohh wait, no,
23:13.41LinuxCodenow
23:14.08LinuxCodeonce connected it seemed fast
23:14.19DocScrutinizer05what did you say is the estimated download size for one HAM doing update check?
23:16.22DocScrutinizer052124 IPs
23:16.46LinuxCodeit works though
23:16.51LinuxCodeIm happy
23:16.56LinuxCodeso a big thank you
23:17.22DocScrutinizer05all the thanks and presents go to warfare
23:17.52FIQwhat about topic?
23:18.07DocScrutinizer05our incredible new maemo sysop wizzard
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23:18.46DocScrutinizer05FIQ: well, I'll change the topic when we seen stuff working for a day... or two
23:18.57FIQok :P
23:19.14FIQthen the minute after change, everything goes down
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23:20.23FIQhmm
23:20.46FIQIgn https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release
23:20.49FIQthis host
23:20.56FIQis it still online?
23:21.03kerioDocScrutinizer05: are we to assume that extras is the main culprit?
23:21.18kerioif so, ~3mb for each download
23:21.25kerioFIQ: yes
23:21.36FIQi thought they turned stuff off
23:21.39FIQbut ok
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23:22.24DocScrutinizer05kerio: dunno, what about -devel?
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23:22.49merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: well the question is more hits on which repo?
23:23.33DocScrutinizer05the question is if 2 seconds of 17Mb will service one N900
23:24.05DocScrutinizer05since statisticaly we get one update every 2 seconds
23:24.30DocScrutinizer05obviously they won't, even for extras
23:24.31merlin1991one update is 7mb for extras, 8.8 for -devel
23:24.40FIQfeels like apt has froze on me
23:24.48FIQguess it's just slow
23:24.49FIQthough
23:26.41DocScrutinizer05I guess we should reject so many connects until the bandwidth starts to drop below max
23:26.53warfareI'll kill r.m.o for a few seconds, I have to do a restart.
23:26.59warfare(only of apache)
23:27.06DocScrutinizer05would effectively put a random selection of N900 on wait
23:27.15FIQlike mine
23:27.26FIQ@ W: Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle-1.3/free/binary-armel/Packages  Unable to connect to repository.maemo.org http:
23:27.27FIQ:P
23:27.59merlin1991switched from xfce xdm4 to awesome today, feels funky
23:28.05keriowarfare: <3
23:28.24FIQwarfare: ohh that explains the above
23:28.45merlin1991kerio: so far I didn't find any support for pdiff in ham :/
23:29.50warfareBack again and fast. Apache can only handle 256 clients. As most connections are slow, Apache slots fill very fast. I put an nginx proxy in front of the Apache (too lazy to migrate the config) which can handle around 8k connections with ease. This frees slots from apache and makes everything faster.
23:30.05kerio:D
23:30.26merlin1991hehe proxy black magic
23:30.34merlin1991btw why does the repo even run on apache? o_O
23:30.37kerioweirdly-coded russian programs with little documentation save the day!
23:30.47keriomaybe
23:30.51FIQborrowed the server for 10s to update his stuff
23:30.59merlin1991it's a basic serve files setup, not exactly the workload you need an extensible super configureable http server for
23:31.09warfaremerlin1991: There are some PHP scripts served.
23:31.27keriowell, it seems to be quite fast now
23:31.29FIQmight just be me but it felt faster than before the migrate lol (took 10s to update)
23:31.31merlin1991I guess lighttpd might be up to the task, but who cares
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23:31.50FIQwarfare: well, there are other httpds which work with php I believe
23:31.54kerio~warfare
23:32.01merlin1991has no data about stability of lighttpd with high load
23:32.05DocScrutinizer05peak:   21.0Mb
23:32.05kerioinfobot: warfare is DA MAN
23:32.05infobotokay, kerio
23:32.12FIQnginx
23:32.14LinuxCodenow a download stared immediately
23:32.18LinuxCodelooks good
23:32.19tadzikyou can put PHP on nginx as well, using some fastcgi helper
23:32.33tadziklike the one stolen from lighttpd :P
23:32.33keriopraise nginx!
23:32.34warfare"too lazy to migrate the config"
23:32.36keriofucking apache
23:32.43tadzikvalid reason
23:32.45keriowarfare: oh right
23:33.07kerioinfobot: no, warfare is too lazy to migrate the config
23:33.07infobotokay, kerio
23:33.09warfareAlso, I'm sitting in a british hotel and my internet is crap. All praise mobile-shell.
23:34.19DocScrutinizer05kerio: please stop abusing nick factoids
23:35.13DocScrutinizer05~forget warfare
23:35.14infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot warfare
23:35.20DocScrutinizer05~lock warfare
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23:38.48keriono seriously, rmo is blazing fast now
23:38.49merlin1991tadzik: did they realy steal the fastcgi stuff from lighttpd? :D
23:38.49keriopraise the warfare! no, wait
23:38.50LinuxCodegive him a hotel upgrade
23:38.50LinuxCodeI hate Hotels that charge for crap wifi, or charge at all
23:38.50warfareAt least the don't charge for it.
23:38.50keriowhat do you mean by mobile-shell?
23:38.50Skrymosh
23:38.50warfarekerio: mosh.mit.edu
23:38.51LinuxCodewow, that is rare in the UK
23:38.51LinuxCodesomething included
23:38.51LinuxCode;-p
23:38.51warfaresomeone needs to build that for maemo.
23:38.51keriowarfare: well, it's a commandline program
23:38.51kerioyou probably just need to build the debian tarball in scratchbox
23:38.51kerioand it'll work
23:38.51merlin1991kerio: actually ham uses libapt-pkg to download the index files, so I need to check there for pdiff support
23:38.52merlin1991warfare: point me to the source an I'll build it for you ;)
23:39.45tadzikmerlin1991: not really, but the general way to handle php and this sort of crap in nginx is to use the lighttpd tool of some sort
23:40.56FIQ[00:33:37] <kerio> no seriously, rmo is blazing fast now
23:41.05tadzikspawn-fcgi, this is
23:41.17FIQit took 10s to update all repos (devel activated) for me :P
23:41.27warfaremerlin1991: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mosh/ ;)
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23:41.35FIQinstead of like 3min
23:41.43FIQooh mosh
23:41.58FIQthat thing is awesome, too bad there isn't a build for n900
23:42.35warfaremerlin1991 offered to build it.
23:42.46FIQmerlin1991: :D
23:43.00merlin1991yeah sometimes I have insane moments where I create way too much work for me
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23:44.34merlin1991bah scratchbox dpkg-source can't handle that
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23:45.02warfaremerlin1991: Such insane moments happen to all of us.
23:45.21DocScrutinizer05kerio: my HAM will take another ~60min to actualize the catalogs, I'd say
23:47.18DocScrutinizer05warfare: due to constant keep-alive packet pnging back and forth, mosh is a battery killer on N900
23:47.27DocScrutinizer05particularly on 3G
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23:50.12DocScrutinizer05and I seem to recall somebody trying to build mosh a year or so ago. Faced some problems, I guess
23:50.45FIQwell...
23:50.45FIQ~ham
23:50.46infobotwell, ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Hazardous Application Manager. Slow like molasses. anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does
23:50.46merlin1991kerio: well our libapt-pkg at least supports pdiffs
23:50.46merlin1991kerio: I didn't check if ham calls it correctly to use it though
23:50.46merlin1991warfare: it has quite a few build dependencies that are not yet in the maemo repos :/
23:50.46warfaremerlin1991: Ok, thanks for looking.
23:50.47merlin1991not saying it's impossible though, just wont be done today :)
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23:51.13merlin1991well it uses some weird protocoll to code converter as a build step
23:51.22merlin1991and debhelper7
23:51.44warfareI found a .deb: http://blog.villekangas.com/?p=133
23:51.44FIQI see that someone made infobot reply to ham in HAM speed
23:51.46FIQhow fitting
23:52.30merlin1991bah does not have the source packge to the deb
23:52.31merlin1991evil
23:52.53DocScrutinizer05FIQ: server hickup
23:53.49DocScrutinizer0550:45] <FIQ> well...   50:47] <merlin1991> not saying it
23:54.09FIQDocScrutinizer05: mhm ok
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23:56.00merlin1991hm my scratchbox currently dls with 400B/s
23:56.04DocScrutinizer05we're getting faster and faster, 23.7Mb
23:56.22LinuxCodeDocScrutinizer05, it seems much smoother
23:56.33merlin1991looks like you have more hits though, my dl from here sucsk
23:56.54DocScrutinizer05and HAM fisnished: (no updates available)
23:57.15warfare~630 concurrent connections
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23:59.28Estel_DocScrutinizer05,  so ban me already, and save me from reading your twisted morality and bs statements. Deal?
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