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| 06:48.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | 120h are 5 friggin days, too early for all the stale connections in FW conntrack to reset |
| 06:49.35 | thedead1440 | haha |
| 06:50.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | no haha |
| 06:50.16 | thedead1440 | it is haha |
| 06:50.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-26 00:22:01] <warfare> Riecht nach voller conntrack table. Default bei Endian sind 64k Verbindungen. Und wenn eine Session erstmal "established" ist, hält die auch 432000 Sekunden, es sei denn, sie wird sauber geschlossen. |
| 06:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | we have only 48h or sth |
| 06:51.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | since last FW reboot |
| 06:51.37 | thedead1440 | ouch |
| 06:51.51 | thedead1440 | that means this would stretch to Tuesday/Wednesday |
| 06:51.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | hahaha |
| 06:52.08 | thedead1440 | lol |
| 06:52.25 | thedead1440 | but if FW is brought down then too we would need to wait for the stale connections? |
| 06:53.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui each connection allocates a slot in conntrack table, and if it stalls then that slot will get freed after a timeout that is 432000 by default |
| 06:54.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | when all slots in conntrack table are allocated, no more new connections |
| 06:55.04 | thedead1440 | an how many connection slots are there? and why was the timeout not reduced from 432000? |
| 06:55.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | all my dummy ideas of how stuff works |
| 06:55.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | 64k in conntrack |
| 06:55.55 | thedead1440 | thats bad; FW should be brought down then |
| 06:56.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | which pretty much matches our 90min to 3h to 6h of max "flawless" operation of the FW |
| 06:57.16 | thedead1440 | so FW will be brought down on Monday right? That way these stale connections won't be an issue |
| 06:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-26 00:25:26] <warfare> mashiara: sysctl -w net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_max=256000 ; echo "net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_max = 256000" >> /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 06:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas - see timestamp - nobody has tried that yet |
| 06:58.27 | Sicelo | i don't quite understand why it can't just be reconfigured :-/ |
| 06:58.33 | thedead1440 | because its the weekends Doc :p |
| 06:59.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: it of course can get reconfigured. It's just mashiara been busy and now is on a journey even |
| 07:01.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | he had to catch a flight ~24h ago, and last msg of him been [2013-01-25 21:44:37] <mashiara> ah crap... I need to fly to stockholm tomorrow morning, I have *not* prepared at all... |
| 07:01.57 | thedead1440 | :D |
| 07:02.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and this been our last FW boot: [2013-01-25 21:18:06] <mashiara> kicked the fw, will now checkout db |
| 07:05.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | the guy is doing overtime way more than allowed, to handle it all as good as possible, honestly if somebody is to blame then that's Nokia who ordered migration GO just 2 weeks before x-mas, when everybody already been in holiday and they *came back* to do maemo-migration, go figure |
| 07:06.05 | thedead1440 | agreed DocScrutinizer05 |
| 07:07.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and official *huge* Thank You to Eero and Nemein at large for an awesome work they did under mission impossible conditions |
| 07:07.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | FW? meh, shit happens |
| 07:09.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's extremely annoying, not only for maemo users but also for Eero/mashiara and Nemein, but honestly it could have been way worse |
| 07:09.40 | thedead1440 | quite true |
| 07:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and whole tmo is 100% goodwill by Nemein, for the VM they basically donated to us. This never been part of the order Nokia gave to Nemein |
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| 07:14.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw thanks chem|st for fixing stuff re tmo search. :-) |
| 07:14.40 | Psi | hm.. ive not been in this channel for a while. Any cool new apps in the world of N900s? |
| 07:14.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: hahahaha |
| 07:15.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: sorry |
| 07:15.12 | Psi | pretty much dead ended? |
| 07:15.23 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: yup; this morning when i tried tmo it was down; tried it later and phew it was up :D |
| 07:15.24 | Psi | hows that work going to get android working on the n900? |
| 07:15.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: just you're asking a question that kinda sounds funny in times where aour trouble is something different than newest apps |
| 07:17.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: actually I can't answer your question about newest coolest apps, since autobuilder isn't completely back to normal operation yet |
| 07:17.24 | Psi | heh |
| 07:17.52 | Psi | im still using my n900, but ive not looked at the repo for ages |
| 07:18.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I *guess* last app built been ~27.12.2012 |
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| 07:20.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: http://hildonfoundation.org/support/ |
| 07:21.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88659 |
| 07:21.23 | Psi | true |
| 07:21.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure |
| 07:22.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1303767#post1303767 |
| 07:24.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: and http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-27.log.html#t2013-01-27T03:48:10 |
| 07:25.30 | Psi | yeah |
| 07:25.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirrors |
| 07:25.52 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 |
| 07:26.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | those are from Dec 2012 |
| 07:26.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | skeiron is supposed to work without hashsum errors |
| 07:31.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: is skeiron a wind, like here: http://www.pantheon.org/articles/g/gods_of_the_winds.html ? |
| 07:31.42 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: indeed; the reason we chose it was to keep the tradition going ;) |
| 07:32.50 | thedead1440 | I think we were deciding between 6 winds and skeiron was available + the better sounding one |
| 07:33.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 07:33.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | perfect |
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| 08:31.47 | kerio | the one on wedrop works fine |
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| 09:11.31 | Estel_ | I agree, that Nokia ordering move 2 weeks before x-mas wan't kind, but migration in December was known to happen ~6 months earlier, or more. You know who I'm looking at for being not prepared. Thanks goodness, that Nemein & co turned out to be such nice guys, or we would be in well-expected limbo |
| 09:12.09 | Estel_ | anyway, whatever, I don't want to get into this shit again |
| 09:12.33 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, as for offset and alligment of cards, most new ones aren't |
| 09:12.48 | Estel_ | I'm just curious, if our eMMC could benefit from doing offset aligment? |
| 09:13.01 | Estel_ | no idea if it apply to it too |
| 09:13.30 | Estel_ | BTW, yeterday, even trying to use bluetooth adaptor and fm radio at the same time resulted in hildon-home crashing, and then, everything getting frozen |
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| 09:13.56 | Estel_ | device was accessible via ssh, but killing things haven't helped at all, and ssh freezed when trying to stop some services |
| 09:14.19 | Estel_ | new ssh connections were possible, but at trying to start said services again, every connection got frozen to |
| 09:14.53 | Estel_ | finally, I forced reboot by killing Xorg :P I wonder, what makes N900 to go, in certain situations, to "accessible but frozen" state |
| 09:15.22 | Estel_ | where you can lock and unlock screen, and it goes blank and re-appears on touch with respect to settings, but is otherwise frozen... |
| 09:15.57 | Estel_ | yet perfectly fine (and fast) available through ssh, top & co working, it doesn't show anything hogging up cpu... |
| 09:16.30 | Estel_ | yet, killing thigs doesn't seem to work at all, or any other command, or do any effect on frozen device, unless you kill essential thig like xorg |
| 09:16.44 | Estel_ | I've seen it in different situations, many times |
| 09:17.07 | Estel_ | at some "extreme" errors it just goes into that state, nothing suspicious in syslog then... |
| 09:17.26 | Estel_ | BTW it appends to different devices, so no hw error possible |
| 09:17.36 | Estel_ | just curious |
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| 09:18.44 | Estel_ | now funny quic |
| 09:18.47 | Estel_ | quiz* |
| 09:18.54 | Estel_ | what do yu think this device is? |
| 09:19.09 | Estel_ | http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_1.jpg |
| 09:19.54 | kerio | Estel_: hm, a nokia 404? |
| 09:20.03 | Estel_ | right :P sorry, fixing link |
| 09:20.16 | Estel_ | http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/400x300/29/81/56/52/2981565264_2 |
| 09:20.25 | Estel_ | http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_1 |
| 09:20.29 | kerio | if i had to guess, it would be a n900 |
| 09:20.41 | kerio | but the keyboard is weird |
| 09:20.51 | Estel_ | right... now look a little closer... |
| 09:20.53 | Estel_ | http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264 |
| 09:21.26 | Estel_ | even closer... |
| 09:21.27 | Estel_ | http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_6 |
| 09:21.28 | kerio | does the logo still say nokia? |
| 09:21.48 | Estel_ | yea |
| 09:21.52 | Estel_ | tadam!: |
| 09:21.54 | Estel_ | http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_3 |
| 09:22.17 | Estel_ | and close-up: |
| 09:22.19 | Estel_ | http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_4 |
| 09:22.28 | kerio | well, at least there's no issue with the uSD being forcibly removed when you take off the backcover |
| 09:22.33 | kerio | and the battery is bigger than the stock bl-5j |
| 09:22.37 | Estel_ | it's unbeliveable, that chinese are still releasing new clones of N900 |
| 09:22.46 | Estel_ | this one is quite sneaky, though |
| 09:22.56 | Estel_ | unless you open backcover |
| 09:23.01 | kerio | it's slightly shorter than the n900, right? |
| 09:23.08 | Estel_ | if the would make keyboard a little better |
| 09:23.11 | kerio | the real one has a bit of space on the sides of the keyboard |
| 09:23.13 | Estel_ | no, same dimensions |
| 09:23.16 | Estel_ | yes |
| 09:23.20 | kerio | oh, the keys are wider? |
| 09:23.21 | Estel_ | they fucked up keyboard |
| 09:23.23 | Estel_ | yea |
| 09:23.43 | Estel_ | but this: |
| 09:23.44 | Estel_ | http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_2 |
| 09:23.46 | kerio | hey DocScrutinizer! wanna buy a new n900? |
| 09:23.47 | Estel_ | is masterpiece |
| 09:23.50 | Estel_ | :P |
| 09:23.58 | Estel_ | was going to ask same question |
| 09:24.08 | kerio | how's the touchscreen? utter crap? |
| 09:24.22 | kerio | what are the specs? |
| 09:24.25 | Estel_ | working quite ok. BTW, look at homescreen :P |
| 09:24.37 | kerio | some sort of symbian belle ripoff |
| 09:24.37 | Estel_ | http://img03.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/29/81/56/52/2981565264_5 |
| 09:24.41 | Estel_ | yea |
| 09:25.01 | Estel_ | specs are as in chinesee phones, *no* 32 GB inside |
| 09:25.08 | kerio | it's now your personal duty to run fremantle on it |
| 09:25.14 | Estel_ | although two sims work quite well in 3G :P |
| 09:25.23 | Estel_ | sure, if I swap motherboards |
| 09:25.28 | Estel_ | I'll run fremantle inside |
| 09:25.29 | kerio | that's cheating |
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| 09:25.50 | Estel_ | but description was funny |
| 09:26.03 | Estel_ | seller havent tried to hide, that it's "replica" |
| 09:26.14 | Estel_ | said that it doesnt have 32 GB and no wifi (sic) |
| 09:26.26 | Estel_ | lower res camera |
| 09:26.45 | Estel_ | "but rest of functions is like in original N900" |
| 09:26.47 | Estel_ | LOL |
| 09:26.49 | kerio | well, no wifi is clearly a dealbreaker |
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| 09:27.15 | kerio | how are you supposed to use the amazing internal browser? |
| 09:27.23 | Estel_ | whole "replican is dealbreaker, I was just amazed about fact that chinese still see making clones of N900 as profitable |
| 09:27.42 | kerio | Estel_: woooosh |
| 09:27.47 | Estel_ | what do you want from microB, it's still better than any mobile browser I've seen |
| 09:28.09 | kerio | i meant the amazing internal browser of the replica |
| 09:28.13 | Estel_ | for some things I use chromium via easy debian, for most, microB hangs very well |
| 09:28.14 | Estel_ | ah |
| 09:28.18 | Estel_ | don't even ask :P |
| 09:28.46 | Estel_ | 3G works but seems uterly limited to some 1Mb/s or so |
| 09:28.59 | Estel_ | it's rather funny toy for N900 collectors |
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| 09:29.10 | kerio | which browser? some replicas have java, and they have opera mini, which is still fairly good |
| 09:29.20 | Estel_ | but you know what? usb port is quite durable |
| 09:29.37 | Estel_ | haven't tested if java is present, could be |
| 09:29.39 | Estel_ | btw |
| 09:29.53 | Estel_ | once i saw N900 replica, which had telescopic antenna in place of stylus |
| 09:30.00 | Estel_ | for analog TV receiver |
| 09:30.01 | Estel_ | .P |
| 09:30.19 | Estel_ | of course whole replica was "much" less ressembling N900, at first sight |
| 09:30.24 | Estel_ | still, funny idea |
| 09:30.25 | kerio | Estel_: http://www.youtube.com/ashens |
| 09:30.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | those are all based on one rather crappy chipset and reference design |
| 09:30.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | with as much RAM as my radioclock |
| 09:31.23 | Estel_ | yea :P |
| 09:31.27 | kerio | he reviewed an iphone ripoff, and as he tried to pick up the "stylus", it turned out to be an antenna |
| 09:31.36 | kerio | much laughs were had |
| 09:31.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly 100% useless for anything except making phonecalls (if you're lucky) |
| 09:31.40 | kerio | *many |
| 09:31.49 | Estel_ | but DocScrutinizer05, you must admit, that they worked on case quite hard |
| 09:32.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess they simply bought original spares |
| 09:32.09 | Estel_ | nope |
| 09:32.20 | Estel_ | close-ups reveal different details |
| 09:32.31 | Estel_ | it's definitelly not replacement part |
| 09:32.35 | Estel_ | even not original one |
| 09:32.47 | Estel_ | internals are suited for "replica" motherboard |
| 09:33.03 | Estel_ | well, someone admitted, that N900 is cult device and need "replicas" :P |
| 09:33.25 | Estel_ | fun fact - rip-off cost half price of perfect condition used N900 |
| 09:34.06 | Estel_ | BTW, idiots are buying vertu "replicas" for 500 USD |
| 09:34.11 | Estel_ | knowing that they're fake |
| 09:34.37 | Estel_ | just because it resemble vertu, chinese are selling them for 200 USD, and local dealer make another 300 of profit |
| 09:35.09 | Estel_ | of course it include fake-leather box, fake certificate of originality, etc |
| 09:35.22 | Estel_ | oh, well. |
| 09:35.50 | Estel_ | I still need to work a little on theme and such things and sell one N900 as "hacker modified phone" |
| 09:36.06 | Estel_ | "with pentest suite" |
| 09:36.16 | Estel_ | "and spy functionality" |
| 09:37.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and certificate! ;-P |
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| 09:37.08 | Estel_ | do you reemember guy from ebay who was buying all devices beyond certain price, instantly? |
| 09:37.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a black hat |
| 09:37.23 | Estel_ | as tracked by tmo members, he bouth something about 130 of them |
| 09:37.39 | Estel_ | I'm sure he was doing something like that with them on local market |
| 09:38.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: like, a literal black hat? |
| 09:38.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes! |
| 09:38.17 | kerio | ie a hat made of black fabric |
| 09:38.19 | kerio | heh |
| 09:38.21 | Estel_ | well, I remember N900's selling for something like 700 USD locally, lately, someone saw them selling for 400 usd |
| 09:38.31 | kerio | Estel_: http://pwnieexpress.com/products/pwnphone |
| 09:38.42 | Estel_ | but they haven't had smscon configured for spying on your husband/wife |
| 09:38.43 | Estel_ | yea |
| 09:38.52 | Estel_ | or employee |
| 09:38.55 | kerio | 1k$ for a standard-issue n900 and a usb adapter |
| 09:39.19 | Estel_ | right, it wasn't 400 usd, I messed up currencies |
| 09:39.24 | Estel_ | 1K usd was cheapest |
| 09:39.34 | kerio | i just... don't get it |
| 09:40.34 | robbiethe1st | 0.0 sounds like a great business |
| 09:40.53 | robbiethe1st | Buy phone for $200, extra stuff for $5. Sell for $995 |
| 09:41.10 | Estel_ | you know what? jokes aside, I *will* stuff N900 with pentesting and "spy" things, and use matching theme |
| 09:41.20 | Estel_ | and try selling it for 800 usd on local wannabe-ebay |
| 09:41.25 | Estel_ | will report back |
| 09:41.26 | robbiethe1st | Heck, thanks to BM and custom images, he doesn't even have to install the software on each device, etc. |
| 09:41.58 | Estel_ | will report back after buying every N900 available :P joking |
| 09:42.00 | Estel_ | well |
| 09:42.12 | Estel_ | I think one wont sell more than 2-3 per month |
| 09:42.25 | Estel_ | after all, how many people need pwn spy omghax0r device |
| 09:42.31 | Estel_ | + is idiot |
| 09:42.39 | robbiethe1st | So? It's a few minutes work, for a good 750*3/month. |
| 09:42.44 | Estel_ | sure |
| 09:42.55 | robbiethe1st | Added to his other boxes... good money right there |
| 09:42.57 | thedead1440 | Estel_: the guy named n950 would buy all your stock if you just put a proto sticker somewhere on it ;) |
| 09:43.12 | Estel_ | lol |
| 09:43.16 | Estel_ | proto? wtf is that? |
| 09:43.22 | thedead1440 | prototype |
| 09:43.24 | Estel_ | ah |
| 09:43.53 | thedead1440 | i'm planning to put a proto sticker on a few N9s and offering to him for 1,500euros apiece |
| 09:44.18 | Estel_ | guy named N950, eh... Man named thursday |
| 09:44.27 | Estel_ | no, it was |
| 09:44.33 | Estel_ | "man who was thursday" |
| 09:45.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF?! >> Getting started Make sure the keyboard is not slid out, otherwise you will be greeted with the backup menu. Turn the phone on by holding the small power button on the top (between volume and camera buttons) and sliding the side button on the right down. Phone will vibrate and white Nokia screen will appear.<< |
| 09:45.12 | robbiethe1st | Heck, how about one personalized to you? It's trivial to engrave someone's name on the back... |
| 09:45.25 | Hurrian | robbiethe1st: that's a brilliant idea. |
| 09:45.45 | Hurrian | Heck, make /proc/cpuinfo report hwrev 0900. |
| 09:45.49 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, wtf is that? |
| 09:45.51 | robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer05, on which page? |
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| 09:46.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://downloads.pwnieexpress.com/pdfs/pwnphonemanual.pdf |
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| 09:46.16 | robbiethe1st | Heh. |
| 09:46.25 | thedead1440 | hehe robbiethe1st you are famous :p |
| 09:46.31 | Hurrian | thedead1440: Have it laser-engraved on a fee black N9s. |
| 09:46.37 | robbiethe1st | I am, seems. |
| 09:46.51 | Hurrian | Make sure it has cryptic letters on it, like S1.12. |
| 09:47.00 | thedead1440 | Hurrian: yup that's what I was thinking and maybe a few hair-line screen cracks to show its aged :D |
| 09:47.00 | Hurrian | s/fee/few/ |
| 09:47.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder which fool came up with the idea that it needs holding power butten while sliding lockswitch, to power up the N900 |
| 09:47.40 | robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer05, wow, didn't see that |
| 09:47.46 | robbiethe1st | That's... odd |
| 09:48.20 | Hurrian | thedead1440: file away the regulatory marks too |
| 09:48.41 | Hurrian | replace that with laser-engraved "NOKIA INTERNAL C0 PROTO" |
| 09:48.50 | Hurrian | "TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST" |
| 09:48.56 | thedead1440 | hahaha |
| 09:49.36 | robbiethe1st | I think it'd be better to put "Developer Device. Not For Resale" on it. |
| 09:49.56 | robbiethe1st | Just like the Genuine Article(tm) |
| 09:49.57 | thedead1440 | Hurrian: I was actually waiting for n950 to approach thp after this post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1302014&postcount=52 but thp spoiled it with the disclaimer; would've been epic |
| 09:50.23 | kerio | hahahaha |
| 09:50.31 | thedead1440 | robbiethe1st: no dev device is N950 non-proto he knows that so just putting anything stupid there that he hasn't seen before would get him hooked ;) |
| 09:50.49 | robbiethe1st | heh |
| 09:50.53 | jaska | explosive phone |
| 09:51.21 | Hurrian | damn, now I'm really tempted to visit my local car mods shop to have some stretched Arial text lazered onto my N9. |
| 09:51.49 | robbiethe1st | Oh, I know. Take a N900, grab one of the Chinese body kits, swap the guts out. You could have a white N900. |
| 09:51.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: I see such things, that's why my nick is Doc Scrutinizer |
| 09:52.03 | robbiethe1st | Rare prototype /white/ |
| 09:52.04 | thedead1440 | Hurrian: do it ;) He'll offer standard 1,500 Euros if you don't confirm to sell by your second PM... I've heard of this from people he offered to buy their devices from |
| 09:52.54 | Hurrian | thedead1440: PM 1 "Look at this", PM 2 "Open to offers" ? |
| 09:53.07 | thedead1440 | yup and he'll drool over it :D |
| 09:53.33 | thedead1440 | he offered Arie 1,500 too for each of his standard-issue N950s |
| 09:53.49 | jaska | odd fetishes he has |
| 09:54.03 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, better idea: how about sell a N900 with non-functioning GSM radio, remove the SIM slot, paint the case silver, then say it's a N850? |
| 09:54.06 | robbiethe1st | And Arie didn't take him up on it? 1500 is a /lot/.... |
| 09:54.32 | thedead1440 | yup Arie was stupid not to take it up; take it up for 1,500 euros and buy replacements for 800 :D |
| 09:54.52 | Hurrian | thedead1440: it's seriously tempting - 1500 is enough to buy me a 64GB white N9, a new N900, and a new desktop PC. |
| 09:55.11 | thedead1440 | Hurrian: yeah; why not first do a photoshopped image and ask him for offer? |
| 09:55.46 | Hurrian | thedead1440, great idea, gotta see if he's interested before lazering ugly Arial onto my device. |
| 09:56.10 | thedead1440 | yup let me know if he takes the hook then it can be a good idea to get funds in :D :D |
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| 09:56.31 | robbiethe1st | Why not do something with this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/GOLD-Fascia-HOUSING-COVER-CASE-KEYPAD-TOOLS-For-Nokia-N900-NEW-/170954135293?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27cda916fd |
| 09:56.42 | FIQ | who buys n900 for q.5k? |
| 09:56.45 | robbiethe1st | You can have a /gold/ N900! |
| 09:56.49 | FIQ | 1.5k* |
| 09:56.54 | robbiethe1st | FIQ: N950 |
| 09:56.56 | Hurrian | robbiethe1st: Vertu Maemo proto device! |
| 09:57.07 | kerio | Estel_: early full-aluminium n900 prototype gogogogogo |
| 09:57.13 | thedead1440 | hehe |
| 09:58.01 | robbiethe1st | (Note: I actually got the black version of one of those knock-off housings; it's /identical/ to the real thing. Different plastic, slightly, and it's missing the antennas, but... |
| 09:58.03 | Hurrian | Estel_, holy crap, if you could pump out one of those full-aluminum cases and say it was a proto N900, looks like a N810, claim it's a N850, you could easily get 2000 eurobucks |
| 09:58.17 | kerio | >missing the antennas |
| 09:58.23 | kerio | wtf |
| 09:58.29 | robbiethe1st | kerio: have to take them from your old case |
| 09:58.33 | kerio | i see |
| 09:58.39 | Hurrian | kerio, just spray the original ones in gold auto paint |
| 09:58.42 | thedead1440 | that's the point with missing antennas it becomes even more /genuine/ proto |
| 09:58.46 | robbiethe1st | There are a couple of little ribbon things |
| 09:58.58 | robbiethe1st | True |
| 09:59.04 | Hurrian | thedead1440: the more unusable it is, the more valuable it is to n950! |
| 09:59.10 | thedead1440 | Hurrian: hehe |
| 09:59.24 | robbiethe1st | Has this guy actually bought anything, that we know of? |
| 09:59.32 | robbiethe1st | And not, say, charge-backed it... |
| 09:59.34 | thedead1440 | robbiethe1st: alot search for n950 on TMO |
| 09:59.53 | Hurrian | robbiethe1st, well, none of his sources have been bitching, at least. |
| 09:59.55 | thedead1440 | one of is many protos: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88577 |
| 10:00.05 | robbiethe1st | That's good, I suppose |
| 10:00.07 | FIQ | like n950s would care, they're not sentinent :o |
| 10:00.07 | thedead1440 | s/ is/ his/ |
| 10:00.28 | Hurrian | and, he's hinted at his other interwebs username, and it seems that he's a known collector at other websites |
| 10:00.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | thinks the n950 guy is playing photoshop prank on all of you ;-P |
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| 10:00.52 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: no :p he's a known baboon :p |
| 10:01.30 | FIQ | ohhh it's someone who calls himself n950... |
| 10:01.55 | Hurrian | Photoshop? He can't load an Initrd to flasher! I told him that I won't answer any more of his support questions until he sends me a N950. |
| 10:02.16 | thedead1440 | lol Hurrian he pestered you to death right? |
| 10:02.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have a few GTA04-MK-II prototypes here, from my time as senior EE at Openmoko. do you think he might be interested? |
| 10:02.24 | Hurrian | thedead1440: 6PMs. |
| 10:02.29 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: shove them in a n950 casing |
| 10:02.31 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: sadly only Nokia for him; even Lumia protos do |
| 10:02.56 | thedead1440 | Hurrian: *never* give him your email id; i did it once and live to regret it :D |
| 10:04.05 | Hurrian | thedead1440, I've got a Google Apps domain, I can simply set up a "n9protosale@domain.web" account for him to spam. |
| 10:04.14 | thedead1440 | haha |
| 10:04.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, those are the collectors. Interested in every crap of Ford company, but ignoring the real goodies like Lamborghini or better/more_rare |
| 10:05.41 | kerio | Estel_: btw, what happened to the aluminium body replacements? |
| 10:05.49 | thedead1440 | Hurrian: standard question from him "ok can i download 12.10 lubuntu version? last version where? link plz" I had 48 of that shit before i put him in Spam |
| 10:05.59 | Estel_ | kerio, see allu body thread |
| 10:06.09 | Estel_ | we have talked about it yesterday, here, too ;) |
| 10:06.14 | kerio | oic |
| 10:06.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could ask Nikolaus of goldelico to produce one small batch of GTA04 with "Design by Nokia R&D labs" on the PCB |
| 10:06.39 | Hurrian | thedead1440: 48? Jeebus chwist. |
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| 10:09.12 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: Sell it as the "cheap Nokia Linux phone" thing that ended up being vaporware |
| 10:09.27 | Hurrian | oh, and only leave u-boot on it |
| 10:09.35 | Hurrian | He'll be bamboozled by the text. |
| 10:09.50 | thedead1440 | oh Meltemi |
| 10:10.09 | thedead1440 | that would call for 3,000 euros at least as it is unknown to man :D |
| 10:10.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: haha |
| 10:10.25 | Hurrian | thedead1440, it seems that another silver N950 holder has appeared |
| 10:10.43 | thedead1440 | oh that T*** guy right? thats simply the standard B2 and later protos |
| 10:11.19 | thedead1440 | they seem to be getting cheaper; someone has recently bought one for just 700 euros |
| 10:11.59 | thedead1440 | he's an upgraded version of n950; he is not that dumb but same spam again :( |
| 10:12.00 | Hurrian | Still won't stop n950 from paying megabucks for it. |
| 10:12.19 | thedead1440 | hehe yup he will insist on paying more as it will mean its more rare for him |
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| 10:20.37 | FIQ | looks like the N9xx phone which was cancelled |
| 10:20.39 | FIQ | @thread |
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| 11:27.37 | Estel_ | erm, what about N900 in wooden case as exclusive model prototype for asian markets? |
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| 11:28.07 | Estel_ | or lego one :p (joking) |
| 11:31.46 | Lava_Croft | yes, its really for others to decide the value of what you like to collect |
| 11:33.53 | chem|st | ~mirror |
| 11:33.53 | infobot | from memory, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 |
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| 12:29.44 | xes | Estel_: photos... |
| 12:32.28 | Estel_ | photos of what? |
| 12:32.39 | Estel_ | replica or replacement? |
| 12:33.47 | Estel_ | if the latter, sure, but won't happen very soon, for sure. I'm moving to new flat (which doesn't have internal walls yet, so need to finish it before), including all mess related to buying and selling estates |
| 12:33.52 | Estel_ | + my son got angine |
| 12:33.59 | xes | about the wip of the case.. |
| 12:34.05 | Estel_ | is it how this disease is called in english? |
| 12:34.10 | Estel_ | sure, ASAP |
| 12:34.28 | Estel_ | but not in this week for sure |
| 12:34.37 | Estel_ | not this week* |
| 12:35.16 | xes | ok, thanks |
| 12:35.19 | Estel_ | + I'll try to measure gain in new antenna type and show comparisions, I mean only internal one, without even using hiros ufl |
| 12:36.06 | Estel_ | 3d scanner would help a lot, I even thought about building one via phase-shift method... |
| 12:36.15 | Estel_ | But can't do everything at once |
| 12:38.40 | Estel_ | wut? |
| 12:38.58 | Estel_ | bq27200.sh said I'm charging at 1312 mA |
| 12:39.06 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, how come? |
| 12:39.22 | Estel_ | using Pali's charger, and reading data from i2c using bq27200.sh method |
| 12:40.00 | Estel_ | with device screen off, and battery @3200 mv before charging, it starts charging at 1312, *including* device power usage |
| 12:40.12 | Estel_ | so real power draw is somewhat higher by few tens |
| 12:40.23 | Estel_ | shouldn't 1250 be max thing allowed by chip? |
| 12:41.04 | kerio | it could be bogus data, you shouldn't be able to access the i2c bus when bq27x00_battery is loaded |
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| 13:24.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 13:25.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless using fuxored kp49(?) kernel with that unspeakable "patch" to neuter I2C flock |
| 13:26.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | which would allow bq27x00_battery kernel module and any arbitrary like i2cget to access any chip on i2c *concurrently* thus messing up stuf to the point where smoke escapes |
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| 15:20.03 | teotwaki_ | efg |
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| 15:42.04 | amospalla | cmon, what's next? it's easy! |
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| 16:22.13 | futpib | does anyone know how keyboard layout switching works in maemo? |
| 16:24.09 | futpib | just push me in the right direction, because it seems to work nothing like on installations i have seen |
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| 16:36.55 | freemangordon | futpib: use ctrl-space |
| 16:39.02 | futpib | that is not what i mean |
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| 16:39.55 | futpib | look, if i do setxkbmap -option grp:ctrl_shift_toggle -layout ru,us it works not the way i expect |
| 16:40.15 | futpib | ctrl+space switching and ctrl+shift do work separately |
| 16:43.05 | freemangordon | don't use setxkbmap on n900 |
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| 16:43.16 | futpib | thanks lol |
| 16:44.43 | futpib | i have no problem with configuring things here, i just want to find out what did nokia invent for layout switching |
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| 16:48.57 | kerio | futpib: let us know if you find out |
| 16:49.03 | kerio | the keyboard handling is a mess |
| 16:49.23 | kerio | starting from qt applications not following your xkb layout |
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| 17:04.27 | Pali | what is CTCP-A request? |
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| 17:10.10 | kerio | perhaps it's ctcp action? |
| 17:10.53 | Pali | kerio, I got unknown CTCP-A request from you |
| 17:10.57 | kerio | wat |
| 17:11.00 | kerio | no you didn't |
| 17:11.08 | kerio | when? |
| 17:11.32 | Pali | [14:46:39] * Received unknown CTCP-A request by kerio!~kerio@Maemo/community/contributor/kerio |
| 17:11.58 | Pali | +0100 timezone |
| 17:12.40 | kerio | hm |
| 17:12.43 | kerio | i don't know what i did |
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| 17:59.53 | ShadowJK | yawns |
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| 18:16.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] *.maemo.org "works" again - lightning fast. http://maemo.org has 503 though. We'll check that tomorrow. Repo is still down |
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| 18:41.15 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: maemo.org worksforme |
| 18:42.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] we just "fixed" the db, so http//maemo.org back to normal operation |
| 18:42.39 | kerio | i can't login |
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| 18:52.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 18:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | details please |
| 18:53.10 | kerio | Username or password was invalid. |
| 18:53.28 | kerio | garage logs in fine |
| 18:53.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | so "INVALID"? |
| 18:54.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | since "CND" |
| 18:55.24 | kerio | i go to http://maemo.org/ |
| 18:55.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | we just re-enabled the db, so maybe you need to refresh/reload the page where you tried to log in |
| 18:55.48 | kerio | i left click on the username box, i type "kerio", i type tab, i type my password, i press enter |
| 18:55.59 | kerio | and i'm redirected to the login page |
| 18:56.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 18:56.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | same here |
| 18:56.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for reporting |
| 18:56.36 | kerio | who stores the passwords? garage, right? |
| 18:58.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you try wiki for example? |
| 18:58.19 | kerio | i'm logged in the wiki |
| 18:58.42 | kerio | logging in there works fine |
| 18:58.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, you are already logged in on wiki.maemo.org? |
| 18:58.49 | kerio | yes |
| 18:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah? |
| 18:59.05 | kerio | i thought they were separate |
| 18:59.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | you were logged in or login worked? |
| 18:59.12 | kerio | both |
| 18:59.16 | kerio | i tried logging out and in |
| 18:59.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, same here |
| 19:00.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I informed Eero. If he feels like "not my domain" I'll forward to whom it may concern |
| 19:00.58 | kerio | was the firewall fixed, or was it just restarted? |
| 19:00.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | please ping me immediately (and repeatedly) as soon as *.m.o seems to slow down again. We tweaked FW |
| 19:01.04 | kerio | yay |
| 19:01.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | me or warfare |
| 19:01.35 | kerio | ...and now i really, really want to ping you regarding the slowness of rmo |
| 19:01.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | mmmpf |
| 19:01.58 | kerio | although it's connecting to it, weird |
| 19:02.07 | kerio | didn't it use to refuse connections altogether? |
| 19:02.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | it shouldn't |
| 19:02.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a very short while it did |
| 19:02.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | some 10 min ago |
| 19:02.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | now port policy is DROP |
| 19:02.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | closed on FW now |
| 19:03.01 | kerio | i see |
| 19:03.08 | kerio | DROP isn't very nice :( |
| 19:03.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's very nice... for the FW ;-P |
| 19:03.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:03.38 | kerio | isn't... huh, REJECT? also nice for the FW? |
| 19:03.52 | kerio | oh, there's no such thing |
| 19:03.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, REJ needs a ICMP send |
| 19:04.01 | ShadowJK | tcp rst |
| 19:04.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | or that |
| 19:04.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | DROP doesn't need *anything* on FW side |
| 19:04.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | just *forget about it* |
| 19:04.55 | kerio | i see |
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| 19:05.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually we will move repo to exposed tomorrow, until then I don't care |
| 19:06.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | cya, o/ |
| 19:06.37 | kerio | o/ HEIL JOERG |
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| 19:09.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | tzzz those italians |
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| 19:10.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | mln KERIO |
| 19:11.29 | kerio | mln? |
| 19:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | = <finger> |
| 19:11.43 | kerio | oh |
| 19:11.53 | kerio | well, that isn't nice >:c |
| 19:11.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | my answer to HAIL |
| 19:12.34 | kerio | when are we going to invade jolland? |
| 19:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | in Germany you're close to prison with those 7 chars |
| 19:13.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless my friends catch you before police |
| 19:13.35 | kerio | heh, i wish italy was similar :s |
| 19:13.58 | kerio | here, we've got "reformed" fascist politicians who haven't really changed at all |
| 19:14.31 | KotCzarny | you are overreacting |
| 19:14.43 | KotCzarny | usa is doing worse things already |
| 19:14.57 | KotCzarny | but just pretending it's not happening |
| 19:15.11 | kerio | KotCzarny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2BfqDUPL1I |
| 19:15.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know, but then who likes USA. I at least don't have to live there, and that's the way I like it |
| 19:15.47 | KotCzarny | americans do like |
| 19:16.25 | futpib | what is bad about USA? |
| 19:16.44 | KotCzarny | hypocrisy (?) |
| 19:16.45 | merlin1991 | futpib: lots of things .D |
| 19:17.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, before I have to enforce the "no politics" rule, I prefer to say "cya l8r" again, and wander off |
| 19:17.55 | kerio | futpib: corporations as legal persons, deep, ingrained ignorance caused by mass media, corrupt police and military |
| 19:18.04 | kerio | hey, i didn't know there was such a rule |
| 19:18.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's afreenode rule iirc |
| 19:18.21 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:18.33 | KotCzarny | yeah, 'free' |
| 19:18.44 | KotCzarny | as long you don't trespass the rules |
| 19:18.53 | qwazix_ | "corrupt police and military" |
| 19:19.03 | merlin1991 | hm I don't remember any rule about trashing freenode though |
| 19:19.15 | merlin1991 | let's rage about not being able to discuss politics in here :D |
| 19:19.15 | qwazix_ | is like saying water is transparent |
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| 19:20.26 | kerio | "In accordance with UK law freenode and the PDPC have no tolerance for any activity which could be construed as incitement to racial hatred or religious hatred" |
| 19:20.48 | KotCzarny | incitement != talking about politics |
| 19:21.04 | merlin1991 | just to throw one stone before this is over, I'd say insane "anti terror" laws that essentially make fundamental rights non-existing |
| 19:21.17 | merlin1991 | goes and checks the freenode policy |
| 19:21.42 | kerio | oh, yeah, violating habeas corpus, always fun |
| 19:24.05 | merlin1991 | hm gotta love how the poilcy has an explicit note that you can talk about p2p applications, just not about unlawfull content :D |
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| 19:33.26 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 19:33.27 | GeneralAntilles | You guys are silly. |
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| 19:39.37 | Pali | $ dig talk.maemo.org --> talk.maemo.org. 13472 IN A 188.117.59.209 |
| 19:39.44 | Pali | no CNAME |
| 19:39.55 | Pali | What happened? Nokia fixed DNS? |
| 19:40.10 | qwazix_ | \o/ |
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| 20:04.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: yes, several days ago |
| 20:05.38 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, garage project tracers not working... I sent mail directly to Ferenc and CC to council |
| 20:06.43 | Pali | Ferenc already fixed fixed some problems which I had with garage (project admin permission, svn-->git conversion), so I think he can fix also this bug |
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| 20:12.24 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, problem is fixed, this was very very quick :-) |
| 20:12.41 | Pali | see mail from Ferenc |
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| 20:15.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems we *finally* established some SOP to handle maintenance that actually works, eh? |
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| 20:16.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pity this won't last for long, as things are now |
| 20:17.09 | kerio | why? |
| 20:17.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe until end of March HiFo finds a sponsor who's willing to pay for decent administration |
| 20:17.49 | kerio | i thought we had plenty of good volunteer sysops |
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| 20:18.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | none of them has a faintest idea about this particular stuff though, they are all system operators, not maemo maintainers |
| 20:20.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | keeping a VM up-to-date or configuring a firewall is quite a different matter than fixing bugs in garage |
| 20:21.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | garage is midgard, which basically nobody but nemein knows about |
| 20:21.21 | KotCzarny | how to keep one's work |
| 20:21.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 20:26.00 | kerio | KotCzarny: we can't really afford to pay them, though :) |
| 20:26.37 | KotCzarny | reminds me of dilbert and his 'very legacy systems' |
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| 20:30.10 | futpib | was maemo community too expensive for nokia? |
| 20:30.45 | nox- | elop doesnt care about maemo i suspect... |
| 20:34.28 | kerio | futpib: well, yes |
| 20:34.34 | kerio | we costed more than 0 |
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| 20:35.59 | KotCzarny | hmm, anyone here knowledgeable with c and dl_opened objects? |
| 20:41.52 | Pali | KotCzarny, what do you want to know? |
| 20:42.46 | KotCzarny | pali, i have a program P which dlopens D, how can i call functions from P in a function in D ? |
| 20:43.31 | nox- | link with --export-dynamic maybe? |
| 20:43.46 | nox- | (may pass that with -B to cc) |
| 20:43.47 | KotCzarny | which one? |
| 20:43.55 | nox- | P |
| 20:44.02 | KotCzarny | letsse.. |
| 20:44.45 | KotCzarny | -B didn't work |
| 20:45.25 | KotCzarny | gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '--export-dynamic' |
| 20:45.51 | KotCzarny | and -B compiled, but still got undefined symbol when i tried to dlopen |
| 20:46.02 | nox- | i meant -B--export-dynamic but seems -rdynamic does the same |
| 20:46.41 | nox- | oh and its one - not -- |
| 20:46.57 | KotCzarny | hm, -rdynamic worked |
| 20:47.01 | nox- | :) |
| 20:47.17 | KotCzarny | but how can i export single function? |
| 20:47.28 | nox- | hmm good q... |
| 20:48.50 | nox- | ah: "You can also use the version script to control what symbols should be added to the dynamic symbol table if the output format supports it. See the description of --version-script in @ref{VERSION}." |
| 20:48.50 | nox- | man ld |
| 20:51.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: I'd think you need callbacks for that |
| 20:51.50 | KotCzarny | doc, nope, -rdynamic works, so i guess i just need --dynamic-list |
| 20:55.44 | KotCzarny | -Wl,--dynamic-list=osc.shared |
| 20:55.46 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:57.21 | nox- | :) |
| 20:59.55 | freemangordon | finally slowly migrates to ubuntu :) |
| 21:00.13 | KotCzarny | amazingly, glibc's sin/cos is faster than lookup table |
| 21:00.15 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 21:00.30 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: on device? |
| 21:00.36 | KotCzarny | on x86 |
| 21:00.43 | KotCzarny | i have yet to test it on device |
| 21:00.55 | freemangordon | well, FPU? |
| 21:01.08 | KotCzarny | but the difference is about 2x |
| 21:01.29 | freemangordon | could be something with pipelines |
| 21:01.53 | KotCzarny | could be something with core duo |
| 21:02.12 | KotCzarny | last time i checked it on x86 i had pentium-m |
| 21:02.41 | freemangordon | well, I guess FPUs have advanced since then :) |
| 21:05.13 | KotCzarny | good for them |
| 21:06.39 | freemangordon | damn, libxul linking takes ages :( |
| 21:08.28 | WizardNumberNext | hello everybody |
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| 21:14.54 | WizardNumberNext | believe it or not, but I do not only store my fully charged batteries in freezer, but charge (in desktop charger) batteries in fridge. I got a lot better results, then charging batteries in "room temperature". Now they are very rigid with voltage. Before I was getting quite big difference of voltage with different current. Now I am getting small, almost non-existing, difference in voltage and that's even with current reaching |
| 21:14.55 | WizardNumberNext | 420mA. Difference is up to 20mV |
| 21:15.25 | KotCzarny | as long you don't punt device in the freezer it's fine |
| 21:15.29 | KotCzarny | rohs is a b*tch |
| 21:15.35 | KotCzarny | *put |
| 21:15.36 | WizardNumberNext | it is bitch |
| 21:16.00 | WizardNumberNext | it is really nice efect though |
| 21:16.20 | WizardNumberNext | and batteries almost do not self-discharge |
| 21:16.39 | WizardNumberNext | KotCzarny: that sounds polish |
| 21:16.43 | KotCzarny | is it worth the effort tho? |
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| 21:16.58 | WizardNumberNext | I have two external desktop chargers |
| 21:17.02 | WizardNumberNext | I do not care |
| 21:17.11 | KotCzarny | original batteries are quite good quality |
| 21:17.29 | WizardNumberNext | but it weird to open freezer every morning to take one spare battery |
| 21:17.37 | WizardNumberNext | there are quite good |
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| 21:18.27 | WizardNumberNext | I had some BL-5F for N95 and they were good as well, as soon as I touched non-original I didn't get good results |
| 21:19.41 | WizardNumberNext | original was very stable with voltage, non-original was crap - I was able to turn off N95 using few devices at the same time. On N95 it was fairly easy to get over 1A out off battery |
| 21:19.56 | WizardNumberNext | which is more then strong charger - 890mA |
| 21:20.37 | WizardNumberNext | now I got original nokia's batteries for my n900 and they are great |
| 21:20.44 | WizardNumberNext | but bit small for n900 |
| 21:21.24 | KotCzarny | go mugen |
| 21:21.26 | KotCzarny | 2x |
| 21:21.48 | WizardNumberNext | I do not fancy different cover and no camera shutter |
| 21:22.07 | KotCzarny | would you fancy ~3Ah ? |
| 21:22.11 | WizardNumberNext | I really need camera shatter - I am builder |
| 21:22.22 | KotCzarny | make one then |
| 21:22.39 | WizardNumberNext | I would fancy 132Ah |
| 21:22.53 | KotCzarny | you couldn't handle 132Ah |
| 21:22.56 | WizardNumberNext | it is possible with same size of battery |
| 21:23.53 | WizardNumberNext | back in 2008 technology was invented, which can incrise 100 times Li-ion batteries |
| 21:24.05 | WizardNumberNext | obviously no company is using it |
| 21:24.13 | KotCzarny | too unstable? |
| 21:24.25 | ShadowJK | also it takes 20 years or something for the patents to expire ;) |
| 21:24.50 | WizardNumberNext | can you imagine: when did you last charged mobile? I do not remember, it was back in november |
| 21:24.52 | KotCzarny | since when chinese obey patent law? |
| 21:24.56 | ShadowJK | Anyway, what people invent in laboratories doesn't necessarily have the same benefit once it gets engineered to be suitable for production use |
| 21:24.58 | Madry72 | just too expensive I guess ... |
| 21:25.19 | WizardNumberNext | ShadowJK: up to 100 years |
| 21:25.31 | ShadowJK | You're thinking of disney's copyright |
| 21:25.53 | WizardNumberNext | Madry72: considering amount of power it can store I would buy it |
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| 21:26.14 | ShadowJK | Also, when mass media reports on these laboratory discoveries, they often confused voltage, power, and energy |
| 21:26.18 | WizardNumberNext | ShadowJK: very well known one - aspirin - patented in US |
| 21:26.25 | WizardNumberNext | back in 1901 |
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| 21:26.35 | WizardNumberNext | patent expired in 2001 |
| 21:26.52 | WizardNumberNext | ShadowJK: it is not mass media |
| 21:26.59 | Madry72 | I was tyrying to say ...to expensive even for massive production |
| 21:27.05 | WizardNumberNext | I was digging quite a lot |
| 21:27.23 | KotCzarny | wnn: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/03/heat-channelling-carbon-nanotubes-produce-100x-more-energy-than-li-ion-batteries/ this one? |
| 21:27.46 | WizardNumberNext | Madry72: too expensive for massive production - yes, but only because you won't have to buy new battery |
| 21:28.03 | WizardNumberNext | no, not this one |
| 21:28.15 | KotCzarny | link then, pls |
| 21:28.45 | WizardNumberNext | if we talk about other technologies, then solid-melting battery is able to store many time then Li-ion |
| 21:29.02 | WizardNumberNext | not really up to digging again |
| 21:29.11 | KotCzarny | keyword? |
| 21:29.20 | WizardNumberNext | li-ion |
| 21:29.28 | WizardNumberNext | in first 30 results |
| 21:29.36 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 21:29.48 | SpeedEvil | most of these 'more than' battery stories are bullahit |
| 21:30.06 | WizardNumberNext | do not look specificly for it - it is in some article about li-ion in general |
| 21:30.12 | WizardNumberNext | might be even wikipedia |
| 21:30.27 | SpeedEvil | based on research that sort of in some ways contsins the number 100 |
| 21:30.36 | WizardNumberNext | SpeedEvil: you are right - most of them |
| 21:31.00 | SpeedEvil | and does not reflect actual whole producable batteries |
| 21:31.23 | Madry72 | SpeedEvil: not really bullshit, but will take some time while they reach the market |
| 21:31.24 | WizardNumberNext | should they specificaly say 98.7654321 times more or something similar? |
| 21:31.24 | ShadowJK | Seems like patent on aspirin expired in the US in 1917. |
| 21:31.40 | SpeedEvil | it's like claiming making a battery label half the thickness - and advertising it as a 100% improvement in capacity |
| 21:32.11 | SpeedEvil | WizardNumberNext: no, it's that that 100* - when made into a battery may end up as 1.3* |
| 21:32.21 | WizardNumberNext | that is strange, germany refussed to patent bayer's aspirin, so he patented it in US |
| 21:32.35 | SpeedEvil | and yes, it's that bad often |
| 21:33.01 | KotCzarny | anyway, thx nox-, and nite nite everyone |
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| 21:33.31 | WizardNumberNext | SpeedEvil: I agree |
| 21:34.01 | WizardNumberNext | to get to really different capacity, you need to change technology |
| 21:34.26 | WizardNumberNext | like it was with Ni-Cd and Ni-MH batteries |
| 21:35.05 | WizardNumberNext | but Ni-MH cannot give you big C, while Ni-Cd is perfectly capable of providing you 10C |
| 21:35.22 | WizardNumberNext | Ni-MH would get seriously damaged above 2C |
| 21:35.51 | WizardNumberNext | actually Li-ion have same problem - no much juice out of them |
| 21:36.04 | WizardNumberNext | 2-3C and you risk flying fire |
| 21:36.48 | merlin1991 | C ? |
| 21:36.52 | WizardNumberNext | but you can charge them very damn fast |
| 21:37.28 | WizardNumberNext | C - same current as capacity so, if battery is 1000mAh, then 1C is 1000mA |
| 21:37.30 | ShadowJK | It depends mostly on the specific cell construction |
| 21:38.05 | WizardNumberNext | you cannot actually make new construction - every idea which was possible is used already |
| 21:38.59 | WizardNumberNext | it is bit impossible to create new kind of construction |
| 21:39.28 | Madry72 | alcohol ? |
| 21:39.46 | WizardNumberNext | in Li-ion |
| 21:40.03 | WizardNumberNext | not exactly alcohol, but very damn close |
| 21:40.55 | Madry72 | what do y mean ? |
| 21:41.13 | ShadowJK | Separator thickness, cathode and anode thickness, cathode and anode surface area. The ionic diffusion speed of the electrolyte. It's all a balancing act. The elite brand nimh cells are good for about 20C, their capacity is lower. The BL-5J in Nokia N900 has .7C/2C charge/discharge limits, but say a Turnigy Nanotech would be 5C/60C, but in the same physical size would have much much less capacity than 1320mAh :) |
| 21:42.50 | WizardNumberNext | yes, but this is not construction, but chemistry |
| 21:43.08 | WizardNumberNext | Madry72: read wikipedia article about Li-ion |
| 21:43.29 | ShadowJK | The basic chemistry and reaction is the same |
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| 21:44.31 | WizardNumberNext | ShadowJK: I know a lot about rechargable batteries. You said nothing new. But you gave me tip in your post about BL-5J, which I missed few times in row |
| 21:45.20 | ShadowJK | what |
| 21:45.33 | WizardNumberNext | ShadowJK: I have no idea, why they made 2C discharge limit, while it is pretty hard to go over 1C on N900 |
| 21:45.47 | WizardNumberNext | charge discharge limits |
| 21:46.07 | WizardNumberNext | I was wondering, why in hell I cannot get anywhere past 9xxmA |
| 21:46.14 | WizardNumberNext | on charging |
| 21:47.00 | ShadowJK | Well that's because it's programmed for 950mA charging current |
| 21:47.15 | WizardNumberNext | having 6W of power from "charger" (actually it is just PSU) |
| 21:47.30 | WizardNumberNext | I think I never got even 950mA |
| 21:47.57 | WizardNumberNext | mostly I am getting around 850mA maybe slightly less |
| 21:49.06 | peterbjornx_n900 | how well does the vbus test pad handle 6vdc |
| 21:49.30 | peterbjornx_n900 | as ive got a bad battery and |
| 21:49.43 | WizardNumberNext | peterbjornx_n900: do you mean USB vbus? |
| 21:50.05 | peterbjornx_n900 | im currently "charging" my n900 from 4xAA batterys |
| 21:50.14 | peterbjornx_n900 | yes ,usb vbus |
| 21:50.17 | WizardNumberNext | drop it right now |
| 21:50.40 | WizardNumberNext | AA battery is more then 1.5v when at full capacity |
| 21:51.17 | peterbjornx_n900 | done, i've been using this for about 3 hours upto now |
| 21:51.19 | ShadowJK | 950mA - system load |
| 21:51.26 | peterbjornx_n900 | no problems yet |
| 21:51.31 | WizardNumberNext | and you need usb enumeration or D+D- connected |
| 21:51.47 | WizardNumberNext | anyway 6V is a bit dangerous |
| 21:52.01 | WizardNumberNext | you can actually use 3 AA, then it is safe |
| 21:52.19 | peterbjornx_n900 | i have the D testpads soldered together as i dont have a usb port anymore |
| 21:52.28 | WizardNumberNext | charger have inverter inside, so it would boost it if needed |
| 21:52.29 | peterbjornx_n900 | didnt work |
| 21:52.35 | peterbjornx_n900 | "not charging" |
| 21:52.46 | WizardNumberNext | ShadowJK: I've been there - not nice |
| 21:53.10 | WizardNumberNext | you might be below 4.2V |
| 21:53.29 | peterbjornx_n900 | they were new when i tried |
| 21:53.41 | WizardNumberNext | you cannot go over 6V - it is absolute maximum for bq24xxx charger |
| 21:53.56 | peterbjornx_n900 | ok |
| 21:54.02 | nox- | ~flatbatrecover |
| 21:54.02 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover |
| 21:54.06 | WizardNumberNext | so now it might be safe for 4, but remeber to not go over 6V |
| 21:54.06 | nox- | would that help? |
| 21:54.09 | peterbjornx_n900 | well ive disconnected it now |
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| 21:55.08 | WizardNumberNext | nox: it won't read peterbjornx_n900 posts again - he have no usb socket there |
| 21:55.25 | nox- | :( |
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| 21:55.41 | WizardNumberNext | peterbjornx_n900: you can get external charger |
| 21:55.49 | WizardNumberNext | I have two desktop chargers |
| 21:55.51 | peterbjornx_n900 | but i thought a full AA would due to high internal R never go over about 1.2v |
| 21:55.55 | WizardNumberNext | and 5 batteries |
| 21:55.59 | peterbjornx_n900 | but my n900 works |
| 21:56.17 | ShadowJK | peterbjornx_n900, it starts out at 0 load, so it sees the full voltage |
| 21:56.28 | WizardNumberNext | it depends on battery, its type and so on |
| 21:56.35 | peterbjornx_n900 | its just that the battery ,after charging for 24 hrs, cant power it for 30 mins |
| 21:56.51 | WizardNumberNext | you can try with Ni-MH though - 4 of them would make it 1.2 |
| 21:56.52 | nox- | dead battery? |
| 21:57.09 | WizardNumberNext | and Ni-MH have almost perfectly flat discharge chart |
| 21:57.25 | WizardNumberNext | it is definitely dead |
| 21:57.48 | WizardNumberNext | mine does charge max 4 hours, till there's no current going in at all |
| 21:58.21 | WizardNumberNext | I think it won't be above 3 hours, but never actually tried to find out exact time |
| 21:59.01 | peterbjornx_n900 | are new batterys still available? |
| 21:59.19 | peterbjornx_n900 | ext chrgr didnt help |
| 21:59.25 | WizardNumberNext | when it would be dying plug those batteries (or bring 5v from usb or two of them) and see the current now in bq27200 |
| 21:59.36 | WizardNumberNext | yes - I bought mine month ago |
| 21:59.39 | WizardNumberNext | genuine |
| 21:59.43 | WizardNumberNext | on ebay |
| 21:59.49 | ShadowJK | The new Nokia BL-5J has a bit of a capacity boost compared to the original 2008/2009 Nokia BL-5j |
| 21:59.58 | tttupn | I installed some upgrades from cssu devel. Now some widgets are missing (and I can't edit), Segmentation fault while configuring hildon-application-manager (I tried several versions), Watchdog is rebooting device (I disabled the watchdog). Any hints? |
| 22:00.06 | WizardNumberNext | unfortunately mine are 1320mAh |
| 22:00.55 | WizardNumberNext | but i didn't know about change of capacity, so bought exactly same and disqualified those 1430mAh as fake |
| 22:00.55 | peterbjornx_n900 | could i wire a HTC 3.7v battery up to it |
| 22:00.56 | freemangordon | tttupn: some upgrades? elaborate |
| 22:01.20 | WizardNumberNext | I think you can try |
| 22:01.22 | peterbjornx_n900 | would it charge? |
| 22:01.27 | peterbjornx_n900 | or blow up |
| 22:01.33 | WizardNumberNext | as long as its li-ion |
| 22:01.36 | ShadowJK | There's some third party batteries with even higher capacity that fits in same space |
| 22:01.45 | tttupn | actually I did a stupid apt-get upgrade (having extras testing and devel disabled) |
| 22:01.54 | ShadowJK | peterbjornx_n900, it wont charge |
| 22:02.03 | WizardNumberNext | charger won't allow you to blow it up and battery itself have protection, so no worries |
| 22:02.14 | peterbjornx_n900 | ok |
| 22:02.55 | WizardNumberNext | ShadowJK: why not - it is still li-ion |
| 22:02.59 | WizardNumberNext | say it is |
| 22:03.06 | WizardNumberNext | then why not? |
| 22:03.14 | tttupn | here is the output of apt-get install http://pastebin.com/xvKK8BrP |
| 22:03.57 | tttupn | Are there any logs to look for? |
| 22:04.07 | ShadowJK | WizardNumberNext, needs a resistor between BSI and GND, without it, it thinks it's sitting in a debug jig |
| 22:04.38 | WizardNumberNext | I was thinking about that damn resistor there |
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| 22:05.45 | freemangordon | tttupn: oh, you are on cssu-thumb? |
| 22:05.56 | tttupn | yeah I am |
| 22:06.11 | tttupn | kernel 2.6.28.10-power51 |
| 22:06.12 | freemangordon | and you did apt-get upgrade with cssu-devel enabled? |
| 22:06.27 | tttupn | yeah... |
| 22:06.29 | tttupn | :-/ |
| 22:07.45 | freemangordon | tttupn: that's bad. gould you give the output of "dpkg -l | grep png", without quotes |
| 22:07.51 | freemangordon | *could |
| 22:08.06 | freemangordon | only the version |
| 22:08.23 | tttupn | 1.2.49-1maemo1+0cssu3+thumb0 |
| 22:08.52 | freemangordon | hmm, why apt-get install? |
| 22:09.34 | tttupn | because apt-get install tries to install broken packages again. I just hoped it could work ;) |
| 22:09.58 | tttupn | here is a list of apt sources http://pastebin.com/UN63kjwJ |
| 22:10.09 | freemangordon | tttupn: he correct command is "apt-get -f install" afaik |
| 22:10.41 | freemangordon | tttupn: did you disable cssu-devel repo? |
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| 22:12.25 | tttupn | apt-get -f install just does the same in this case. No I didn't disabled cssu devel. I tried to install different versions of hildon-application-manager manually by specifying the version |
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| 22:12.44 | tttupn | btw I should remove the double cssu devel line |
| 22:14.06 | freemangordon | tttupn: but it is postinst script that segfaults, not HAM itself aiui |
| 22:14.43 | tttupn | yeah, I thought that a different version might ship a different post install script |
| 22:15.07 | freemangordon | seems like something else |
| 22:15.28 | freemangordon | you say hildon-desktop crashes too? |
| 22:17.01 | freemangordon | tttupn: "dpkg -l | grep libxml2" and "dpkg -l | grep zlib" versions please |
| 22:17.36 | tttupn | I'm not exactly sure. I know that the watchdog would reboot the device. further there are widgets missing (nearly all) and I can't edit the home screen. |
| 22:18.09 | tttupn | libxml2: 2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5+0cssu0-thumb0 |
| 22:18.42 | tttupn | zlib1g: 1:1.2.7.dfsg-13maemo1+0cssu1+thumb0 |
| 22:18.57 | freemangordon | your problem is with libxml2 |
| 22:19.20 | freemangordon | 2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5+0cssu1+thumb0 is the correct version |
| 22:20.34 | freemangordon | do "apt-get install libxml2=2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5+0cssu1+thumb0" |
| 22:20.44 | freemangordon | tttupn: ^^^ |
| 22:22.00 | tttupn | done. |
| 22:22.10 | tttupn | reboot? btw, why apt-get is thinking that this is a downgrade? |
| 22:22.15 | freemangordon | any errors? |
| 22:22.24 | tttupn | Unknown media type in type 'sketch/png' |
| 22:22.29 | freemangordon | tttupn: NFC |
| 22:22.33 | freemangordon | ignore that |
| 22:23.21 | freemangordon | tttupn: because of "-thumb0" |
| 22:23.30 | tttupn | full output: http://pastebin.com/iq0EnCP4 |
| 22:23.56 | tttupn | what do you mean with NFC? |
| 22:24.05 | freemangordon | ~NFC |
| 22:24.05 | infobot | [nfc] No Fucking Clue, or near field communications |
| 22:24.38 | tttupn | great I only knew near field communication ;) So I do a reboot? |
| 22:25.17 | kerio | tttupn: not yet |
| 22:25.19 | freemangordon | well, you'd better disable cssu-devel and do apt-get update, apt-get upgrade |
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| 22:25.32 | freemangordon | but DON'T upgrade |
| 22:25.57 | freemangordon | tttupn: just pastebin the output, so I can verify what will be upgraded |
| 22:26.05 | tttupn | ok wati a second |
| 22:28.31 | tttupn | here the output of "apt-get upgrade" http://pastebin.com/sUPia6VD |
| 22:28.49 | kerio | the postinst script segfaulted because of the wrong libxml2 |
| 22:28.56 | kerio | i recko |
| 22:28.57 | kerio | n |
| 22:28.58 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 22:29.15 | tttupn | ~nod |
| 22:29.15 | infobot | ACTION nods |
| 22:29.19 | freemangordon | tttupn: where is you mp-fremantle-community-pr? |
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| 22:29.59 | tttupn | should be installed I'll take a look |
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| 22:31.21 | tttupn | according to "dpkg -l" it isn't installed. Should I install it? |
| 22:31.27 | freemangordon | yes |
| 22:33.10 | tttupn | I have some broken dependencies. http://pastebin.com/r1A9k8N0 |
| 22:34.05 | kerio | tttupn: ah crap, you're missing community-testing |
| 22:34.09 | kerio | because the repos are down |
| 22:34.12 | freemangordon | aaah, yes, community-testing |
| 22:34.27 | freemangordon | well, mirrirs work |
| 22:34.31 | kerio | tttupn: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 22:34.32 | freemangordon | *mirrors |
| 22:34.43 | kerio | add the line "deb http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ fremantle free non-free" |
| 22:35.13 | kerio | add that line, then do an apt-get update |
| 22:35.18 | kerio | and then apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr |
| 22:35.29 | kerio | and hopefully everything will start working again |
| 22:35.58 | tttupn | is this a good idea? I don't have a sources.list at the moment. only the ham file in sources.d |
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| 22:37.20 | freemangordon | tttupn: do echo "deb http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ fremantle free non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/cssut.list |
| 22:37.41 | freemangordon | then apt-get update |
| 22:37.45 | freemangordon | etc |
| 22:38.43 | freemangordon | when you finish you may remove cssut.lis |
| 22:38.52 | freemangordon | *cssut.list |
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| 22:39.27 | freemangordon | kerio: BTW afaik hash is broken on merlin1991's mirror |
| 22:39.28 | tttupn | here the output for "apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr" http://pastebin.com/HMy6FbKH |
| 22:39.31 | Pali | http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ --> this not working for HAM |
| 22:39.33 | kerio | freemangordon: not that one |
| 22:39.37 | kerio | Pali: we're using apt-get |
| 22:39.41 | kerio | because we're real men |
| 22:39.45 | Pali | there is no http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ in HAM domain |
| 22:40.00 | freemangordon | tttupn: boldly press Y |
| 22:40.01 | kerio | tttupn: after you've enabled that repo? |
| 22:40.09 | kerio | yep, press y |
| 22:40.13 | tttupn | yes |
| 22:40.25 | ShadowJK | 965M free on MyDocs :/ |
| 22:40.41 | Pali | ShadowJK, buy SD card :-) |
| 22:40.55 | freemangordon | yep, very good idea :D:D:D |
| 22:40.56 | WizardNumberNext | I still have a lot of free space there |
| 22:41.08 | ShadowJK | I've been attempting that for couple months now |
| 22:41.28 | ShadowJK | Best candidate so far is going through stresstest in sheevaplug :) |
| 22:41.30 | WizardNumberNext | damn man 16gb cost just 8gbp |
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| 22:41.40 | ShadowJK | Sandisk Extreme Pro MicroSDHC |
| 22:41.42 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: buy one like mine, it seems just fine |
| 22:41.53 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: no, he has a fetish for IOPS |
| 22:42.05 | kerio | he can't buy a .5GBP/GB card |
| 22:42.19 | tttupn | here is the output for a "apt-get upgrade" I could do. http://pastebin.com/3JqbDq79 |
| 22:42.19 | freemangordon | it is not exactly cheap, but.... |
| 22:42.27 | ShadowJK | freemangordon; yeah I found it at 80E iirc, Samsung Pro 64g, right? Will get that one of the sandisk starts timing out |
| 22:42.46 | kerio | tttupn: ignore that for now, it's not necessary |
| 22:42.47 | WizardNumberNext | wait, but normal cost of 64gb U1 card is around 35gbp |
| 22:42.59 | kerio | although it's weird that policy-settings-rx51 hasn't been updated |
| 22:43.08 | kerio | ...oh, right, the weird versions |
| 22:43.27 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: yep, that one |
| 22:43.29 | kerio | i wonder why qt wasn't properly updated |
| 22:43.33 | freemangordon | me too |
| 22:43.44 | kerio | oh, libqtm-12 is only in extras-devel |
| 22:43.49 | WizardNumberNext | freemangordon: how much is it? |
| 22:43.56 | kerio | waaaaaaaaaaait, kept back? |
| 22:43.56 | kerio | wtf |
| 22:44.04 | freemangordon | ~90 euros here |
| 22:44.06 | kerio | i only have one version of libqtm-12 |
| 22:44.13 | WizardNumberNext | how fast? |
| 22:44.21 | kerio | tttupn: is the metapackage properly upgraded now? |
| 22:44.28 | WizardNumberNext | I want to put loads of stuff there |
| 22:44.31 | kerio | tttupn: check its version with `apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr` |
| 22:44.32 | freemangordon | kerio: leave him reboot, will check afterwards |
| 22:44.34 | WizardNumberNext | mainly music in FLAC |
| 22:45.02 | tttupn | Installed: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo7.2+thumb0 |
| 22:45.13 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: ~2MB/s random read ~ 1MB/s random write |
| 22:45.14 | kerio | tttupn: reboot |
| 22:45.18 | freemangordon | yep |
| 22:45.18 | kerio | nothing should go wrong |
| 22:45.25 | kerio | warning: lots of things may go wrong |
| 22:45.28 | WizardNumberNext | btw anybody knows what rx51 sound card can do? |
| 22:45.29 | kerio | possibly at the same time |
| 22:45.40 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: play sound, or so i've been told |
| 22:45.50 | freemangordon | record too iirc :P |
| 22:45.58 | kerio | it does have some neat stuff |
| 22:46.02 | WizardNumberNext | I mean kHz bitness? |
| 22:46.03 | kerio | like analog passthrough for fmrx |
| 22:46.15 | freemangordon | highpass filter too |
| 22:46.25 | freemangordon | maybe a mixer? |
| 22:47.16 | WizardNumberNext | I been through a datasheet for omap3430 so I know bit and pieces, but I missed on kHz and bitness |
| 22:47.32 | WizardNumberNext | just matter of intrest |
| 22:47.56 | WizardNumberNext | because I would like to have HD is it is possible |
| 22:48.06 | freemangordon | 48k enough? |
| 22:48.14 | WizardNumberNext | on desktop I fixed SC on 192/32 |
| 22:48.20 | WizardNumberNext | have to be |
| 22:48.27 | freemangordon | that is default iirc |
| 22:48.57 | freemangordon | i guess you use .flac |
| 22:48.59 | WizardNumberNext | default? shit! most of music I have is in 44.1kHz or 96kHz |
| 22:49.18 | freemangordon | well, I guess a resmpler kicks in then |
| 22:49.18 | WizardNumberNext | I do use FLAC - especially for vinyl |
| 22:49.22 | freemangordon | *resampler |
| 22:49.29 | tttupn | reboot successfull and I think all widgets are back |
| 22:49.55 | kerio | yay |
| 22:49.56 | freemangordon | tttupn: give libqtm12 version |
| 22:50.06 | kerio | tttupn: apt-cache policy libqtm-12 |
| 22:50.11 | kerio | full output |
| 22:50.14 | freemangordon | (or whatever was held back) |
| 22:50.19 | WizardNumberNext | that's why my PA is chew up so much of my processor on desktop - speex-f-9 |
| 22:50.49 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: why such a high bitrate? |
| 22:51.05 | tttupn | http://pastebin.com/ufQw2mgm |
| 22:51.06 | kerio | music from CDs is 44.1k/16 anyway |
| 22:51.18 | WizardNumberNext | but recently I recompiled speex with march and mtune =barcelona |
| 22:51.19 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: toldya, I *think* it is 48k, but you'd better check PA settings |
| 22:51.30 | kerio | tttupn: waaaaaaaaaaaaaait |
| 22:51.35 | kerio | which repos have you enabled? |
| 22:51.36 | WizardNumberNext | I shall check them later on |
| 22:51.47 | kerio | we told you to disable cssu-devel |
| 22:51.51 | WizardNumberNext | kerio: I hate CD - it sounds crap |
| 22:52.08 | kerio | resampling also sounds like crap |
| 22:52.18 | WizardNumberNext | and why such high bitrate - because I can afford it |
| 22:52.37 | kerio | make the soundcard match what you're listening to |
| 22:52.38 | WizardNumberNext | but I don't want fixed 44.1kHz on desktop |
| 22:53.11 | tttupn | keiro: I have the following repos repos http://pastebin.com/2kNxYLtW |
| 22:53.13 | freemangordon | kerio: qtm12 is not in -thumb |
| 22:53.21 | WizardNumberNext | and anyway, most of SC for PC are 48kHz or multiply of it fixed, so 44.1kHz is double resmapling |
| 22:53.29 | freemangordon | so I guess we are not interested |
| 22:53.53 | kerio | tttupn: ok, first of all you don't need "community" at all |
| 22:53.59 | kerio | but that's not the issue |
| 22:54.19 | kerio | try running apt-get update again |
| 22:54.35 | kerio | and then `apt-cache policy libqtm-12` |
| 22:54.45 | kerio | it makes no sense, unless libqtm-12 is in cssu-stable |
| 22:54.51 | freemangordon | kerio: where do you think it should be installed from? |
| 22:54.58 | kerio | oh no, wait, extras |
| 22:55.02 | freemangordon | yep |
| 22:55.03 | kerio | libqtm-12 is in extras |
| 22:55.10 | kerio | sorry for the noise |
| 22:55.12 | kerio | well |
| 22:55.24 | kerio | tttupn: disable the community repo, you won't need it ever |
| 22:55.36 | WizardNumberNext | first time I have find about 48kHz issue is when I started digging for every scrap of info for Creative SoundBlaster Live - fixed 48kHz DSP, then find out that yamaha YMF724F is same |
| 22:56.10 | freemangordon | tttupn: your device should be fine now. DO NOT use apt-get upgrade. DO NOT remove mp-fremantle-community-pr. ALWAYS USE HAM for system upgrades :) |
| 22:56.16 | WizardNumberNext | so it might be same on omap but do not know |
| 22:56.30 | kerio | and what have we learned today about enabling cssu-devel? |
| 22:56.37 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 22:56.52 | kerio | Pali: and what have we learned today about having an entry in HAM for cssu-devel? |
| 22:56.59 | freemangordon | kerio: though the problem was with missing -mp thingie |
| 22:57.08 | WizardNumberNext | kerio: I would be careful with anything with devel in name |
| 22:57.28 | Pali | kerio, what? |
| 22:58.08 | tttupn | thx @all who helped me. I'll be more carefull in the future! |
| 22:58.10 | freemangordon | so the right libxml2 was not picked up. And I bet he did apt-get upgrade by the time I have been playing with libxml2/zlib |
| 22:58.23 | kerio | Pali: dude messed up his system slightly because he enabled cssu-devel |
| 22:58.29 | freemangordon | kerio: no |
| 22:58.42 | freemangordon | he messed up because ^^^ |
| 22:58.57 | freemangordon | it was wrong thimb version of libxml2 |
| 22:58.58 | kerio | freemangordon: you were playing with libxml2/zlib in cssu-devel |
| 22:59.02 | freemangordon | no |
| 22:59.05 | kerio | oh, cssu-thumb? i see |
| 22:59.08 | freemangordon | yep |
| 22:59.19 | kerio | freemangordon: and what have we learned today about having -thumb as a version instead of +thumb? |
| 22:59.21 | freemangordon | not exactly "playing" but still |
| 22:59.56 | freemangordon | we've learned that FMG is a human being and makes mistakes. Oh, wait, that's old news :P |
| 22:59.57 | Pali | what about device HAM domain file into more packages? |
| 23:00.12 | Pali | s/device/devide/ |
| 23:00.26 | Pali | s/divide/ |
| 23:00.43 | tttupn | btw, I'll enable the watchdog and disable r&d mode now |
| 23:00.46 | Pali | have one enabler for stable |
| 23:01.00 | Pali | one for testing, one for devel and one for thumb |
| 23:01.05 | freemangordon | kerio: and what we have learnt today about necessity of -mp? |
| 23:01.22 | Pali | so users will no able to enable other repositories without installing new *enabler* |
| 23:01.40 | kerio | Pali: i'd say that community-ssu-enabler should pull community-ssu-domain, and make the latter vary for each repo |
| 23:01.52 | kerio | then cssu-thumb would *add* its own |
| 23:01.52 | freemangordon | Pali: I guess it is too late now, we'll receive a shitstorm of complains |
| 23:02.05 | freemangordon | "where are my repos" |
| 23:02.06 | Pali | stable does not have new HAM |
| 23:02.18 | freemangordon | sure, but T and thumb have |
| 23:02.31 | Pali | we can fix that |
| 23:02.38 | Pali | before stable |
| 23:02.53 | freemangordon | and there are the guys which actually look what happens, from time to time |
| 23:03.06 | freemangordon | Pali: yep, maybe |
| 23:03.23 | freemangordon | Pali: wait, HAM is not in stable? |
| 23:03.42 | freemangordon | are you sure? |
| 23:03.46 | Pali | new version with fixed domains not yet |
| 23:03.51 | freemangordon | ok |
| 23:03.51 | Pali | at least not in git |
| 23:04.08 | Pali | in git stable branch is before my domain changes |
| 23:04.18 | freemangordon | I see |
| 23:04.49 | freemangordon | well, I guess it is not "that" late then :) |
| 23:05.06 | Pali | ok, I will find some time in next days to create more HAM domain packages |
| 23:05.29 | Pali | please *stop* releasing any new cssu metapackage |
| 23:05.32 | freemangordon | Pali: what about that "freedom of coice" fix? |
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| 23:05.48 | freemangordon | *choice |
| 23:05.50 | Pali | what is freedom of choice? |
| 23:05.57 | kerio | Pali: would it be simple to keep the domain info in the same ham package? |
| 23:06.09 | kerio | for the maintainers, i mean |
| 23:06.22 | Pali | kerio, my idea is that domain files will be moved into more separate packages |
| 23:06.23 | freemangordon | HAM that allows you to choose alternative packages |
| 23:06.25 | kerio | er, in the enabler |
| 23:06.33 | Pali | each package will provides some name |
| 23:06.41 | freemangordon | Pali: why no more -mp? |
| 23:06.42 | Pali | and enabler will depends on that provides name |
| 23:07.05 | Pali | freemangordon, before this will be fixed |
| 23:07.09 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 23:07.17 | kerio | Pali: having the enabler depend on a particular name isn't exactly different from shipping the domain info in the enabler, i feel |
| 23:07.22 | Pali | I think this *is* blocker for any cssu now |
| 23:07.47 | Pali | kerio, no I mean that you will be able to install any domain package |
| 23:08.00 | Pali | but domain package will be only in one repository |
| 23:08.11 | freemangordon | however, I am going to have some sleep, night guys |
| 23:08.14 | Pali | so if you will only stable repo you will be able to install only stable domain |
| 23:08.25 | kerio | oh, like "community-domain-info"? |
| 23:08.35 | Pali | and if you want to install testing, you will *have to* click on wiki on install link |
| 23:09.02 | kerio | Pali: actually |
| 23:09.15 | kerio | keep the domain information in community-ssu-enabler |
| 23:09.26 | kerio | only move the catalogues away |
| 23:09.54 | Pali | kerio, problem is that domain is linked to system catalog |
| 23:10.12 | kerio | can .install files specify more than one package? |
| 23:10.15 | Pali | and adding system catalogue is possible only by adding it via file to /usr/ |
| 23:10.38 | Pali | install files cannot add system catalogue (which can be linked to domain) |
| 23:10.38 | kerio | Pali: community-ssu-enabler ships the whole community-ssu-domains.xexp |
| 23:10.46 | kerio | ...oh |
| 23:10.52 | kerio | no, wait |
| 23:10.55 | kerio | i realize that |
| 23:11.00 | Pali | kerio, I think you can add more deb packages to install files |
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| 23:11.12 | kerio | the actual repo with domain information will be installed by the package |
| 23:11.17 | Pali | but, what you can is to add catalogue to install file |
| 23:11.30 | Pali | so then new package can depends on packages from that catalogue |
| 23:12.10 | kerio | Pali: ok, i got it |
| 23:12.18 | Pali | kerio, now it working: click on wiki --> add user cssu catalogue, install cssu enabler --> postinst: remove user cssu catalogue, add system cssu catalogue |
| 23:12.29 | kerio | community-ssu-enabler has domains and keys |
| 23:13.10 | kerio | the .install files will add the appropriate repo and install community-ssu-stable or community-ssu-testing |
| 23:13.18 | Pali | yes |
| 23:13.27 | kerio | those depend on community-ssu-enabler |
| 23:13.39 | kerio | and they install the proper "system" repo |
| 23:13.58 | Pali | cssu enabler enable proper system cssu repo |
| 23:14.08 | kerio | yeah, we change that |
| 23:14.16 | Pali | (it enable all users enabled) |
| 23:14.18 | kerio | make it so enabler only adds keys and domain info |
| 23:14.23 | Pali | and then remove all users |
| 23:14.34 | kerio | and add separate packages to add the catalogue |
| 23:15.19 | Pali | and what is different between: 1) separate all (domain, catalogues) and 2) separate only catalogues? |
| 23:16.00 | kerio | Pali: once community-ssu-enabler is pulled in via the metapackage or upgraded, it enters the domain |
| 23:16.12 | kerio | so it couldn't be upgraded from stable to testing |
| 23:16.17 | kerio | not very easily, at least |
| 23:16.31 | Pali | testing has higher priority as stable |
| 23:16.45 | Pali | so cssu enabler can be updated from stable to testing |
| 23:17.04 | kerio | yes, but only if the domain information is already there |
| 23:17.09 | kerio | ...oh, i see |
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| 23:17.15 | kerio | yes, it would work the same |
| 23:18.22 | kerio | no it wouldn't |
| 23:18.28 | Pali | why not? |
| 23:18.43 | Pali | community-ssu-enabler depends on cssu-catalogue |
| 23:18.55 | Pali | cssu-catalogue-stable provides cssu-catalogue |
| 23:19.07 | Pali | cssu-catalogue-testing provides cssu-catalogue |
| 23:19.16 | kerio | Pali: nah, make it simpler |
| 23:19.27 | Pali | cssu-catalogue-* will have catalogue + domain file |
| 23:19.33 | kerio | community-ssu-stable depends on community-ssu-enabler |
| 23:19.37 | kerio | community-ssu-testing depends on community-ssu-enabler |
| 23:19.53 | Pali | ok |
| 23:19.54 | kerio | the flavour packages will have catalogue+domain |
| 23:20.44 | kerio | and i suppose that the community-testing mp will have to conflict with community-ssu-stable |
| 23:20.54 | Pali | why? |
| 23:21.10 | Pali | you should be able to have both packages installed |
| 23:21.44 | tttupn | how can I restore the original transitions.ini rom the hildon-desktop package? |
| 23:22.07 | kerio | Pali: hm, confusion |
| 23:22.21 | Pali | merlin1191, freemangordon, see this ^^^ |
| 23:22.21 | kerio | tttupn: reinstall it |
| 23:22.26 | Pali | what do you think? |
| 23:22.38 | kerio | Pali: i'll think about it tomorrow when i'm more awake |
| 23:22.43 | kerio | but so far, it's good |
| 23:22.58 | Pali | kerio, where will be there merlin tell him this ^^^ |
| 23:23.04 | Pali | I'm going offline |
| 23:23.08 | kerio | k |
| 23:23.13 | kerio | goodnight |
| 23:23.41 | merlin1991 | hm what? |
| 23:24.01 | kerio | pa |
| 23:24.02 | kerio | er |
| 23:24.09 | tttupn | a "apt-get install --reinstall --purge hildon-desktop" won't overwrite the transitions.ini |
| 23:24.23 | kerio | Pali: this is if we don't decide to get rid of the domain thing altogether |
| 23:24.27 | kerio | tttupn: hm |
| 23:24.40 | tttupn | I could manually extract it |
| 23:26.02 | kerio | tttupn: dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/hildon-application-manager* |
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| 23:26.08 | kerio | er |
| 23:26.11 | kerio | wtf am i saying |
| 23:26.13 | MrPingu | Evening! |
| 23:26.17 | kerio | tttupn: dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/hildon-desktop* |
| 23:27.36 | MrPingu | is finally done laughing |
| 23:27.47 | kerio | MrPingu: for what? |
| 23:27.58 | MrPingu | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1318271#post1318271 |
| 23:29.15 | kerio | oh god script kids |
| 23:29.21 | MrPingu | Isn't it funny? Banned by haxoring around, poor boy... |
| 23:30.05 | tttupn | keiro: no luck |
| 23:32.22 | kerio | tttupn: hm, just download a good one from TMO |
| 23:32.26 | MrPingu | tttupn: if you have cssu there should be a original + cssu specific parameter transitions.in in /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini.dpkg-dist |
| 23:32.29 | kerio | the default sucks, anyway |
| 23:33.22 | tttupn | yeah, i did that. but actually there is a weird scrolling bug. I'll try the original one now |
| 23:33.57 | MrPingu | just half all the values and you're good to go |
| 23:34.30 | MrPingu | hmm scrolling bug? |
| 23:35.00 | tttupn | it's gone with the original transitions.ini |
| 23:35.17 | MrPingu | What are it's symptoms? |
| 23:36.21 | MrPingu | must admit my bookmarks window of microB has some illness regarding scrolling too |
| 23:36.35 | kerio | i get that sometimes |
| 23:36.43 | kerio | but it's unfrequent enough |
| 23:36.48 | tttupn | I was able to scroll heigher than the top an below the bottom in the application list (about 1/3 of the screen) and this would be the new top / bottom |
| 23:38.14 | tttupn | somhow diffecult to discribe, but the file from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=78591 here was somhow strange. there were some negative values... |
| 23:38.27 | MrPingu | I could pastebin my transition but it's not original |
| 23:38.56 | tttupn | thx, but I just restored the original. |
| 23:39.00 | tttupn | all perfect. |
| 23:39.51 | MrPingu | good :) |
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| 23:41.12 | MrPingu | Just realised that my N900 is the only phone I managed to have longer than a year |
| 23:42.40 | FIQ | same here, but replace a year by a year and a half :p |
| 23:43.40 | tttupn | btw, there is no source for the on screen keyboard? |
| 23:43.53 | FIQ | owned this since 2010 |
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| 23:45.21 | MrPingu | Got my N900 from Jan 2011, new for 180 EUR :) |
| 23:46.55 | FIQ | Got my N900 from Mar 2010, new for 689 EUR :) |
| 23:47.23 | FIQ | a little more than you lol |
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| 23:48.31 | MrPingu | tttupn: I believe it should be somewhere in cssu as freemangordon RE'ed it |
| 23:49.18 | MrPingu | FIQ: only a little ;) |
| 23:50.34 | futpib | box was so cool |
| 23:56.45 | MrPingu | tttupn: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ ;) |
| 23:57.43 | MrPingu | vkbrender and hildon input methods are used by vkb |
| 23:58.35 | MrPingu | My bed is calling |
| 23:58.52 | MrPingu | waves good night |
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