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| 00:36.16 | pauly1210 | Can i use Maemo 5 SDK on x64 linux? |
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| 00:37.04 | pauly1210 | the maemo wiki is down but the nokia developer page says a 32 bit ubnutu would work> |
| 00:37.09 | pauly1210 | ? |
| 00:38.38 | ShadowJK | I used the VM image on linux |
| 00:40.51 | pauly1210 | ShadowJK: ya i dont think scratchbox would work, i forgot about the vm thanks |
| 00:42.09 | ShadowJK | All the infra is in a state of flux right now, so I dunno what's up and what's down or whether you'll be able to download the vm or not :/ |
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| 00:44.46 | pauly1210 | ShadowJK: how about just getting Qt Creator ? |
| 00:46.05 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 00:46.12 | ShadowJK | If it works for you, why not |
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| 00:55.32 | bef0rd | get qtcreator from nokia |
| 00:55.46 | bef0rd | Nokia Qt SDK its called I believe |
| 00:56.16 | bef0rd | http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/da8df288-e615-443d-be5c-00c8a72435f8/Qt_SDK.html |
| 01:01.49 | pauly1210 | bef0rd: thanks downloading now |
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| 10:15.10 | kerio | calibrated the battery, 1420mAh for 10$ |
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| 10:23.29 | Estel_ | I'm thinking about writin small set of scripta (tm) allowing people to automagically migrate to ext4 (and back to ext3) for /home, if desired |
| 10:24.58 | Estel_ | it would consist of small backupmenu fork (for would be standalone, as it would be useful for anyone on kernel-power, allowing better compression - lzma instead of gzip - bq4... charging, and so goes on), and scripts modifying mount-opts to utilize ext4 benefits during home mount |
| 10:25.40 | Estel_ | ext4-migrant would depend on this backupmenu fork and some feature of kernel-power |
| 10:26.24 | Estel_ | now, I don't want to depend on kernel power, as what I really need is ext4 support, by this or any other kernel. So, I think that depending on certain *feature* provided by kernel power, would be better suited |
| 10:26.47 | Estel_ | in case of hypothetical other kernel providing ext4 support, it could just provide same feature |
| 10:27.08 | Estel_ | now, my question is - does anyone see caveats in this approach, in this certain case? |
| 10:27.28 | kerio | Estel_: base it on rescueos instead |
| 10:27.42 | Estel_ | of course stuff will be highly experimental and at own risk, yet, I would like to minimise risk of bricking... |
| 10:27.52 | Estel_ | kerio, resuceos won't be automagical ;) |
| 10:28.02 | kerio | make it automagical |
| 10:28.04 | Estel_ | and I planned to fork backupmenu for kernel-power users only, too |
| 10:28.24 | Estel_ | i.e. utilizing mkfs.ext4 with custom options suited for our flash |
| 10:28.41 | Estel_ | and few other improvements that, sadly or not, require kp |
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| 10:28.58 | kerio | i think that the kernel used by rescueos supports ext4 |
| 10:29.03 | kerio | not sure, though |
| 10:29.08 | Estel_ | BTW, if someone use automagic to migrate to ext4, i *want* him to have backupmenu backups :P |
| 10:29.27 | kerio | and i'm not sure that the kp modules will fit in the initrd |
| 10:29.37 | Estel_ | but, one need to have kp at normal runtime, why migrating to ext4 otherwise |
| 10:29.50 | Estel_ | have you seen anyone running hildon day to day on rescueos kernel? :P |
| 10:30.06 | kerio | Estel_: because bootmenu is a piece of crap |
| 10:30.22 | Estel_ | my whole idea is about nullifing need to use external PC... |
| 10:30.29 | Estel_ | or custom mounts |
| 10:30.34 | kerio | indeed |
| 10:30.34 | Estel_ | or this whole magic... |
| 10:30.52 | kerio | that's why i have rescueos in my uboot bootmenu :) |
| 10:31.00 | kerio | it's surprisingly useful |
| 10:31.23 | Estel_ | lately I was migrating my device to another motherboard, and Exploiting backupmenu for that (vanilla device -> my custom partition layout and ext4 etc) was very conveinent way |
| 10:31.50 | Estel_ | BTW, I even repartitioned new device via old device and hostmode |
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| 10:31.57 | kerio | yeah, it's pretty neat |
| 10:32.01 | Estel_ | and easy debian and gparted |
| 10:32.05 | Estel_ | anyway |
| 10:32.16 | kerio | i deleted the swap partition on emmc and just repartitioned to make more room for optfs |
| 10:32.18 | kerio | and then just restored |
| 10:32.32 | Estel_ | whole concept is that user install ext4-migrant |
| 10:32.41 | Estel_ | hehe, I did whole new partition table |
| 10:33.12 | Estel_ | ...and ext4-migrant depends on backupmenu fork and feature of kernel-power that prvides ext4 |
| 10:34.02 | Estel_ | ext4-migrant updates mount-opts, genfstab.awk, and whatsnot, to utilize ext4 and special capabilities that our mkfs will do later... |
| 10:34.23 | kerio | Estel_: why do you still use the fstab generation? |
| 10:34.26 | Estel_ | then, it (ext4-migrant) instruct user to reboot device with keyboard slided out |
| 10:34.36 | Estel_ | because device doesn't boot without it? :P |
| 10:34.42 | kerio | works fine for me |
| 10:34.57 | kerio | i just put the fstab generation between "if false; then"/"fi" |
| 10:34.59 | Estel_ | hm, if I leave genfstab with ext3 hardcoded there, my device wont boot |
| 10:35.06 | kerio | so change it and then reboot |
| 10:35.22 | Estel_ | well, no idea what it could break in long run |
| 10:35.23 | kerio | and you also need to change the "home was mounted as readwrite" verification, i know |
| 10:35.38 | Estel_ | ...and then cssu update comes and overwrite my changes |
| 10:35.38 | kerio | but i reckon there should be a more agnostic way |
| 10:35.53 | Estel_ | then, I spend 4564565 hours determining what got changed and where |
| 10:36.08 | Estel_ | and redo my old changes, that I barely remember at this time |
| 10:36.09 | kerio | Estel_: it's your fault if you modify system files without diverting them |
| 10:36.24 | kerio | but apt-get will prompt when it's about to modify one of your modified configuration files |
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| 10:36.35 | Estel_ | so I won't modify them and won't have a problem - i don't need to get rid of genfstab for anything |
| 10:36.41 | Estel_ | it's art for the sake of art |
| 10:37.16 | Estel_ | ...that's why I don't modify them if it doesn't gain me anything, and just update genfstab with ext4 instead of ext3 :P |
| 10:37.36 | Estel_ | easier to remember (and code into automagic scripts) than whole magic behind getting rid of fstab generation |
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| 10:37.57 | Estel_ | if it would give me any benefits, then, sure, but currently, there are none |
| 10:38.05 | kerio | Estel_: so what happens when cssu changes genfstab.awk? |
| 10:38.33 | Estel_ | I change it back - not ideal, but easier than changing bunch of other long scripts in many places |
| 10:38.46 | Estel_ | <kerio> i just put the fstab generation between "if false; then"/"fi" |
| 10:38.52 | Estel_ | <kerio> and you also need to change the "home was mounted as readwrite" verification, i know |
| 10:38.58 | kerio | you have to do the last thing anyway |
| 10:39.10 | kerio | and the first thing is in the same file |
| 10:39.14 | Estel_ | replacing "ext3" with "ext4" sounds easier to remember about ;) |
| 10:39.19 | Estel_ | in one short file |
| 10:39.57 | Estel_ | well, unless it result in any benefits, one file to edit with one value < two files to edit with many values |
| 10:40.55 | kerio | Estel_: it's *the same file* |
| 10:41.03 | Estel_ | anyway, back to ext4-migrant idea, after it asks user to reboot with keyboard slided out, he have to... no problem if he forget, as he will be in reboot loop then, so he have unlimited number of chances... :P |
| 10:41.08 | kerio | it's literally 10 lines below |
| 10:41.16 | Estel_ | kerio, first thing, but second isn't |
| 10:41.31 | kerio | the second will be unneeded |
| 10:41.43 | Estel_ | after booting into backupmenu, simply creating backup of optfs and restoring it will do all magic |
| 10:42.05 | Estel_ | as mkfs.ext4 with all parameteres tailored to serve our flash best are coded already |
| 10:42.35 | Estel_ | after restoring it, user bootsup normally into ext4-home powered device, without messing with desktop or whatsnot |
| 10:43.07 | Estel_ | benefits - performance gains due to useless (on flash) barriers enabled, and usage of experimental stripe-stride config |
| 10:43.43 | kerio | Estel_: http://i.imgur.com/qa0oGpG.png |
| 10:43.50 | kerio | it's **the same file** |
| 10:43.55 | kerio | and cssu will never change /etc/fstab |
| 10:43.59 | kerio | but it will change genfstab.awk |
| 10:44.19 | kerio | and mount-opts |
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| 10:47.53 | kerio | gg no re |
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| 10:54.15 | ccxmo | so I've changed my apt sources to maemo-archive but extras doesn't sync and others report hash mismatches when installing |
| 10:54.34 | kerio | weird |
| 10:55.02 | kerio | ~mirrors |
| 10:55.02 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 |
| 10:55.18 | kerio | iirc the skeiron.org mirrors work |
| 10:55.22 | kerio | http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/ |
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| 11:05.04 | sixwheeledbeast | where's the images and flashers hanging about now? |
| 11:05.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, skeiron works, others have hashsum error |
| 11:06.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least that's the rumor |
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| 11:06.52 | kerio | i had errors on skeiron with the fremantle/tools repo |
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| 11:06.54 | Estel_ | well, forget about low battery while bme disabled :P |
| 11:07.12 | kerio | Estel_: you need the whole bme replacement pack |
| 11:07.24 | Estel_ | will wait till applet is fixed |
| 11:07.26 | kerio | Estel_: anyway, yours was clearly a ragequit, i'm sorry |
| 11:07.28 | kerio | i win |
| 11:07.32 | Estel_ | :P |
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| 11:07.50 | Estel_ | better repeat what you've said, as my last message was last I've seen |
| 11:08.00 | kerio | as i was saying, http://i.imgur.com/qa0oGpG.png |
| 11:08.00 | Estel_ | and wiki for irclog locations doesnt want to work |
| 11:08.03 | kerio | it's the same file |
| 11:08.10 | kerio | and cssu won't change /etc/fstab |
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| 11:08.17 | kerio | however, it will change genfstab.awk |
| 11:08.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 11:08.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | /topic |
| 11:08.59 | Estel_ | true, true, I just wanted to read logs before connecting |
| 11:09.11 | kerio | hold on now, what's preventing me from downloading sygic for free? |
| 11:09.32 | Estel_ | fact that modrana is way better? |
| 11:10.04 | Estel_ | it reminds me to reach MartinK, as google changes something re overlay |
| 11:10.13 | Estel_ | and overlay fail to work |
| 11:10.24 | kerio | Estel_: monav has offline everything |
| 11:10.27 | Estel_ | yahoo overlay is quite outdated, too |
| 11:10.42 | Estel_ | sure, I'm not talking about routing |
| 11:11.13 | Estel_ | I mean visible map, I use google satelite view + overlay as overlay, which result in streets transparently mapped on satelite view |
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| 11:11.18 | kerio | pester him to add vector rendering instead |
| 11:11.24 | Estel_ | he is working on it |
| 11:11.47 | Estel_ | personally, I preffer satelite view, but of course vector map have nice things to offer, too |
| 11:12.07 | ccxmo | now I got gpg expired errors and gzip crashing :S |
| 11:12.17 | kerio | ccxmo: which repo? |
| 11:13.04 | kerio | and really, why does ovi have a store when you can just apt-get install the apps for free? :o |
| 11:13.38 | Estel_ | not payware ones, methink? |
| 11:13.46 | kerio | sygic is definetely payware |
| 11:13.49 | Estel_ | no idea, never used or want to use ovi store |
| 11:13.53 | kerio | unless it has its own internal method of payment |
| 11:14.12 | Estel_ | strange, maybe someone who used ovi at least once could explain |
| 11:17.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you got CSSU, eh? |
| 11:18.05 | ccxmo | kerio: it was because of skeiron missing -testing apparently |
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| 11:18.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, we left testing out of skeiron |
| 11:19.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | since somebody convinced me it's useless since only a subclass of devel |
| 11:19.07 | ccxmo | got backupmenu installed at last, thanks |
| 11:19.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | on hindsight we probably should have kept it |
| 11:19.37 | ccxmo | goes to reboot |
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| 11:26.08 | kerio | oh right, the current testing has a fairly big problem |
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| 11:26.23 | kerio | it needs a package from extras-testing or extras-devel |
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| 11:40.49 | StyXman | ~repos |
| 11:41.51 | StyXman | I got them |
| 11:42.26 | Milhouse_ | Hi |
| 11:43.03 | Milhouse_ | Can anybody tell me if the fremantle images will be available on the new server |
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| 11:46.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | which images? |
| 11:48.17 | Milhouse_ | the firmware images for n900 Pr1.3 |
| 11:48.35 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do we have any "official" mirrors for tablets-dev? |
| 11:49.26 | Milhouse_ | i hadn't downloaded a backup image before the servers went down |
| 11:49.35 | Milhouse_ | :-( |
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| 11:50.11 | kerio | ~mirrors |
| 11:50.11 | infobot | well, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 |
| 11:50.23 | kerio | no tablets-dev there :( |
| 11:50.27 | thedead1440 | Milhouse_: http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/ <-- N900 firmwares there |
| 11:50.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: the flasher and fiasco stuff? |
| 11:50.48 | kerio | yep |
| 11:51.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/ but you have to "figure" the names of files in there, and if you dare to post the full URL anywhere, they will be gone same moment |
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| 11:54.32 | Milhouse_ | wow, thanks a lot, you're great |
| 11:54.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | LICENSE |
| 11:54.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | MD5SUMS |
| 11:55.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 11:55.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin |
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| 11:55.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.004_PR_COMBINED_004_ARM.bin |
| 11:55.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin |
| 11:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 11:55.41 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: are those only the fiasco images? |
| 11:55.51 | kerio | i wonder where i can get the os x flasher, at this point |
| 11:55.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yoh |
| 11:56.00 | kerio | also, for fuck's sake, why did nokia just drop that server? |
| 11:56.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | NFC, really |
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| 11:56.33 | ShadowJK | is it dropped or just usual weekend fail? |
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| 11:56.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd hope the latter |
| 11:56.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | a DNS query might tell |
| 11:57.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | if the DNs vanished, we're fsckd |
| 11:57.36 | cehteh | mhm .. when will it back to normal? .. i dont need urgend upgrades so i didnt changed any config yet |
| 11:57.42 | ShadowJK | points to akamai |
| 11:58.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and those akamai are still existent? |
| 11:58.27 | ShadowJK | I get two IPs |
| 11:58.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, hard to believe a whole serverfarm goes down by hw defect |
| 11:58.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | do they ping |
| 11:58.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 11:59.07 | ShadowJK | didn't check |
| 11:59.07 | cehteh | it was a small asteroid impact, nothing serious :) |
| 11:59.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 11:59.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | was the name of the asteroid "elop"? (SCNR) |
| 12:00.02 | ShadowJK | yep, pings |
| 12:00.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | then probably nothing really bad happened yet |
| 12:00.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | they messed up, nothing unusual |
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| 12:01.31 | ShadowJK | questuin is if anyone is around to fix it :) |
| 12:01.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders what's the "stage.maemo.org" for tablets-dev |
| 12:02.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: TODAY? you're kidding |
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| 12:03.24 | Milhouse_ | no access to 'fiasco+co' |
| 12:05.06 | Milhouse_ | forbidden |
| 12:05.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | toldya you need to "figure" the filenames, and DO NOT post the full URL *anywhere* |
| 12:06.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Milhouse_: look, for your convenience I even disclosed what file I have on my private backup, some lines above |
| 12:06.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | now append those filenames, and you're done |
| 12:08.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | got it? |
| 12:09.18 | Milhouse_ | ok thanks |
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| 12:14.33 | Milhouse_ | ups, sorry |
| 12:15.29 | Milhouse_ | I think I'll wait for a couple if there'll be any official server. Nokia sucks! |
| 12:15.44 | Milhouse_ | thank a lot for your support |
| 12:15.51 | Milhouse_ | Elop sucks! |
| 12:16.41 | Milhouse_ | worst service ever! |
| 12:20.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.4.5.3_beta.tar.gz |
| 12:20.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just added to my private archive |
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| 12:25.23 | CcxCZ_ | how do I select gnu coreutils instead of busybox? |
| 12:25.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | hardly |
| 12:26.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | install them and you get them in bin/gnu/ (which you can add to your path, just before bin/) |
| 12:26.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | or invoke with a leading "g" |
| 12:26.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | so ls becomes gls |
| 12:26.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | find becomes gfind |
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| 12:27.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | those are symlinks from bin/ to bin/gnu/ |
| 12:27.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | you have to pick your tools, find e.g. is in findutils pkg iirc |
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| 12:28.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even findutils-gnu |
| 12:28.24 | CcxCZ_ | kthnx |
| 12:28.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are other *utils-gnu |
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| 12:29.24 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, do you remeber problem with sudo gainroot? |
| 12:29.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | faintly |
| 12:29.49 | Pali | gainroot is part of sudo package |
| 12:29.49 | Estel_ | tracker-processes -r nukes tracker database, but who remember command to force it to start rebuilding? |
| 12:29.54 | Pali | and I want to fix it in cssu |
| 12:30.14 | Pali | is calling "su -" enought (instead /bin/sh)? |
| 12:30.15 | Estel_ | after cssu update I *again* find myself with tracker ignoring flac and ogg files (not sure yet if it's really cssu fault) |
| 12:30.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: gainroot is part of sudo?? |
| 12:30.35 | Pali | yes |
| 12:30.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think it's part of rootsh |
| 12:30.55 | Pali | rootsh patching that gainroot |
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| 12:31.04 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, ping |
| 12:31.06 | Pali | but script comes from sudo package |
| 12:31.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 12:31.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | nasty shite |
| 12:31.24 | Pali | I can fix both packages |
| 12:31.31 | Pali | but we need working extras |
| 12:31.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously |
| 12:31.46 | Pali | I think that calling "sudo su -i" is ok |
| 12:31.50 | kerio | Estel_: tracker-status ought to do it |
| 12:31.54 | kerio | or something that calls tracker |
| 12:31.56 | M4rtinK | Estel_: ? |
| 12:31.58 | Pali | better then "sudo sh" |
| 12:32.03 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, I've been testing cause of some modrana problems I was facing lately, and it seems, that google changed something re their satelite and overlay |
| 12:32.15 | Estel_ | as a result, it doesnt work in modrana anymore |
| 12:32.23 | kerio | can we obliterate that piece of shit rootsh from extras please |
| 12:32.32 | Estel_ | tiles show error with map service - change layout, try again later, etc |
| 12:32.32 | kerio | sudser is also horrendously broken |
| 12:32.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: pretty please triple-check, since if that stuff breaks on vanilla systems, you fscked up epically |
| 12:32.52 | Pali | kerio, are you goint it to fix? |
| 12:33.05 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, I know |
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| 12:33.09 | Estel_ | OTOH, with google overlay, it's strange, as it does work for very *far* view - aka countries - but refuses to work on close look |
| 12:33.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm pretty sure messybox su is fubar |
| 12:33.27 | kerio | Pali: gainroot is to be used as the "official" way to get root |
| 12:33.31 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, when deb packages will be created, are you going to test if all working? |
| 12:33.35 | kerio | aka, when rdmode is enabled |
| 12:33.37 | Pali | (before pushing to cssu and extras?) |
| 12:33.44 | Estel_ | sadlyp with google overlay, I'm not sure WTF, as modrana just stuck on "loading" instead of tile image, *not* downloaing and map service error |
| 12:33.54 | Estel_ | yahoo overlay works ok, though |
| 12:34.07 | Estel_ | so I would say it's about google, not modrana staight bug |
| 12:34.08 | kerio | the whole concept of rootsh is broken, because gainroot is broken, and gainroot has to be like it is for histerical raisins |
| 12:34.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: might do, if I find the time |
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| 12:34.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: my systems are pretty non-vanilla thhough |
| 12:34.51 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, after merlin1991 create sudo repo on gitorious you can look at patch |
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| 12:35.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | looking at patch doesn't help much here, since that's related to messybox broken su |
| 12:35.32 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, if I can help by providing some more detailed info, just ask |
| 12:35.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | it might look perfect, but fails with messybox |
| 12:35.50 | M4rtinK | Estel_: Google Overlay seems to work for me & Satellite seems broken |
| 12:35.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'm not entirely sure that messybox su is *that* wrong |
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| 12:35.57 | kerio | it's just not suid root, so it can't work |
| 12:35.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | it *is* |
| 12:36.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 12:36.10 | kerio | so run it as root |
| 12:36.10 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, hm, for me, overlay works only from local storage |
| 12:36.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it MUST NOT get suid *ever* |
| 12:36.27 | kerio | "sudo su" doesn't execute root's .profile but at least it sets the correct envvars |
| 12:36.28 | M4rtinK | Estel_: oh, taht can be it |
| 12:36.33 | Estel_ | where I dont have tiles, it's stuck on "loading" instead of downloading |
| 12:36.45 | kerio | "sudo su -l" gives me a login shell |
| 12:36.48 | kerio | much like "sudo -i" |
| 12:36.53 | Pali | kerio, gainroot script script checkig if you have R&D enabled and if yes, then it call /bin/sh |
| 12:36.59 | CcxCZ_ | is there something like factory-wipe so I can remove previous user's setup? |
| 12:36.59 | Estel_ | yea, but I'm curious why it doesn't act like satelite, i.e. trying to download and failing... satelite does it, overlay seems stuck on loading? |
| 12:37.12 | kerio | Pali: change it to run su -l |
| 12:37.12 | Pali | if you not call gainroot with sudo you will ged R&D is disabled |
| 12:37.17 | Estel_ | CcxCZ_, ~reflash |
| 12:37.26 | Pali | what is difference between su - and su -l? |
| 12:37.29 | M4rtinK | Estel_: nope, overly works even for an unknown area |
| 12:37.33 | M4rtinK | *overlay |
| 12:37.40 | kerio | Pali: oh, the same |
| 12:37.58 | CcxCZ_ | flashing guide anywhere? |
| 12:37.58 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, strange, maybe it's me about overlay then. But I'm surprised, as everything else works |
| 12:38.24 | Estel_ | anyway, we can confirm that satelite got broken, at least, yep? |
| 12:38.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: which problem are you fixing with this patch? |
| 12:38.31 | M4rtinK | Estel_: they periodically chnage the URLS - there is a numbered component in each of them |
| 12:38.52 | Estel_ | yea, I'm aware of that, very irritating |
| 12:39.07 | M4rtinK | Estel_: it is probably to track which service is using which and when it started using it |
| 12:39.09 | Estel_ | btw, before next version, is there any file user can edit by hand as pathwork fix? |
| 12:39.20 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, correct $HOME correct $USER |
| 12:39.29 | M4rtinK | Estel_: so they might be phasing out some of the older URLs |
| 12:39.36 | kerio | is gainroot supposed to give you a login shell, though? |
| 12:39.37 | Estel_ | ~reflash |
| 12:39.37 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, reflash is zImage and/or initrd.bin on CF and press C+D+Reset (collie) OR updater.sh, zimage.bin and/or initrd.bin on CF/SD and press OK while rebooting, then option 4, then CD or SF, then HAI (yes), then wait and cross fingers (all other models) |
| 12:39.40 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, try to run: sudo gainroot and sudo -i and sudo su |
| 12:39.46 | Estel_ | wut? |
| 12:39.47 | M4rtinK | Estel_: .modrana/map_config.conf |
| 12:39.48 | Pali | you will see different envs |
| 12:39.54 | Estel_ | infobot, that wasnt helpful |
| 12:39.57 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, lol |
| 12:40.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I get correct $HOME and $USER with command `root`. Command sudo gainroot is NOT meant to have root envs |
| 12:40.19 | Estel_ | haven't expected it's there :) btw, what is best way to determine correct address now? |
| 12:40.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I absolutely deprecate changing semantics here |
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| 12:40.48 | M4rtinK | Estel_: just note that the file will be replaced once a new "official" one is available & the old one should get renamed |
| 12:40.57 | Estel_ | nods |
| 12:41.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | you even MUST NOT change semantics of sudo gainroot |
| 12:41.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~2119 |
| 12:41.12 | infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. |
| 12:41.13 | M4rtinK | Estel_: search -> Address online ? |
| 12:41.17 | Estel_ | Pali, I agree with DocScrutinizer05 here, unless there is an issue unknown to me, that you're fixing by it |
| 12:41.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: rootsh already changes them |
| 12:41.36 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, no, I havent thought about "that" address :P |
| 12:41.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: BS |
| 12:41.45 | Estel_ | I mean what to put into config |
| 12:41.50 | Estel_ | to make satelite working again |
| 12:42.01 | Estel_ | i.e. how to best determine correct new address they're using |
| 12:42.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | sudo gainroot == su; root == su - |
| 12:42.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | period |
| 12:42.18 | Estel_ | sorry, I'm kinda green when it comes to google ever-changing services |
| 12:42.26 | M4rtinK | Estel_: just open google maps, switch to satellite view & check what urls are the tiles using |
| 12:42.32 | kerio | gainroot, ran as root, is supposed to run sh as root if rd-mode is enabled, and it's supposed to be runnable via sudo without being asked a password |
| 12:42.35 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, no |
| 12:42.42 | Pali | sudo gainroot doing sudo sh |
| 12:42.43 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, ah, it's easy as that |
| 12:42.47 | Estel_ | OK, thanks |
| 12:42.50 | M4rtinK | Estel_: yep |
| 12:42.57 | Pali | and calling sudo sh is *bad* idea |
| 12:42.59 | kerio | source: the "sudo" package, as it appears in stock fremantle |
| 12:43.08 | Estel_ | I'll play a little more with overlay, and report back if problem persist, with some debug output |
| 12:43.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I done't give a ***** what it *executes*, i talk about what it *does* |
| 12:43.22 | M4rtinK | Estel_: there is also another possibility - they might not like the modRana user agent |
| 12:43.29 | M4rtinK | Estel_: thanks ! |
| 12:43.45 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, so then sudo gainroot does *not* do su |
| 12:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes it does |
| 12:43.55 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, user agent, huh? |
| 12:44.00 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, no |
| 12:44.02 | Estel_ | in such case it's also configurable? |
| 12:44.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 12:44.07 | Pali | sudo su != sudo sh |
| 12:44.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq |
| 12:44.17 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: "su" will still set $HOME and $USER |
| 12:44.20 | kerio | sudo gainroot won't |
| 12:44.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | NO IT DOESNT |
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| 12:44.40 | Pali | sudo will not set envs correcty |
| 12:44.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: get your shit sorted |
| 12:44.43 | Pali | su will do it |
| 12:44.55 | M4rtinK | Estel_: hmm, I think not yet |
| 12:45.15 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: my shit is properly sorted and packed |
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| 12:45.26 | kerio | open any proper unix system, type su and then echo $HOME |
| 12:45.34 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, ok, we will worry about it if they block (unless you want to be prepared against that offence to freeedom :P if it's not much work to add it into new version) |
| 12:45.35 | M4rtinK | Estel_: but I think it should be added as an option for enterprising users :) |
| 12:45.46 | Estel_ | :) |
| 12:46.00 | M4rtinK | Estel_: yeah, fixing the URLs comes first |
| 12:46.06 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, then your version of "su" is incorrect |
| 12:46.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, my version of su on PC is incorrect |
| 12:46.48 | Pali | call su and then call echo $HOME |
| 12:46.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | so are my statements above, but that doesn't change anything regarding NOt TO CHANGE SEMANTICS of sudo gainroot |
| 12:47.06 | Pali | do it on n900, call sudo gainroot and call echo $HOME |
| 12:47.08 | Estel_ | why not? |
| 12:47.43 | Pali | so why we should have broken su in our devices?? |
| 12:47.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | because we always had |
| 12:48.02 | kerio | indeed |
| 12:48.03 | Pali | because nokia done it? |
| 12:48.08 | Estel_ | kerio, Pali, quick question. Will fixing it broke many packages or scripts? |
| 12:48.15 | Estel_ | if not, lets fix it |
| 12:48.20 | Estel_ | and screw what nokia did |
| 12:48.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | we have NO version of su on our N900 |
| 12:48.29 | Estel_ | if it is riskyp then think again |
| 12:48.32 | Pali | Estel_, sudo gainroot is for R&D mode |
| 12:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | we have sudo gainroot and root |
| 12:48.44 | Pali | I do not know how if any app depends on R&D mode |
| 12:48.52 | kerio | Estel_: any package that relies on rootsh doesn't deserve its space in bits |
| 12:48.58 | Estel_ | Pali, sure, I'm just asking if program or scripts relying on our current implementation of root or gainroot will get broken |
| 12:49.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that has a well known semantics that many packages rely on |
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| 12:49.13 | kerio | Estel_: qtmobilehotspot depends on gainroot in a bad way |
| 12:49.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't want to 2fix" dat shite for shits'n'giggles |
| 12:49.22 | kerio | indeed |
| 12:49.29 | Pali | Estel_, I did not see any app which depends on gainroot |
| 12:49.36 | kerio | Pali: qtmobilehotspot |
| 12:49.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | pffff |
| 12:49.41 | kerio | and any package rdepending on rootsh |
| 12:49.44 | Estel_ | so until you can get in touch of maintainers of such widely used things as qtmobilehotspot (and others), and ask them to fix... |
| 12:49.49 | Estel_ | or fix them yourself |
| 12:49.52 | Pali | kerio, really? and it checking $HOME?? |
| 12:49.54 | Estel_ | please don't touch it :) |
| 12:49.59 | kerio | Pali: i don't know |
| 12:50.03 | kerio | i'm staying the hell away from it |
| 12:50.06 | Pali | sorry but this is stupid |
| 12:50.23 | Pali | why some application running as root needs HOME to be set to user? |
| 12:50.25 | kerio | Pali: just configure sudo properly |
| 12:50.34 | Estel_ | ok, while I agree with You Pali that bad tings should be fixed, not kept due to habit, this is special situation |
| 12:50.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, messing with such silly "fixes" is stupid |
| 12:50.34 | kerio | Pali: maybe PATH |
| 12:50.40 | kerio | maybe it relies on the current working directory |
| 12:50.54 | kerio | maybe it relies on some kind of freaky job control that fails with a proper login |
| 12:50.54 | Estel_ | since always we had it, and many things may get broken if you change it just for the sake |
| 12:51.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ship a new rootsh-pali-finally-correct package, and do in it whatever you want |
| 12:51.10 | kerio | are you willing to inspect every package in extras for any mention of gainroot? |
| 12:51.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | DO NOT change semantics of rootsh |
| 12:51.28 | Estel_ | so unless we can fix all things that rely on it, by hand, or perform some "compatibility layer" that will allow them to work... |
| 12:51.36 | Estel_ | changing this piece of bit is little risky |
| 12:51.42 | Pali | kerio, sudo gainroot changing directory to /root/ |
| 12:51.48 | Pali | su chaning it to /root/ too |
| 12:51.53 | kerio | btw, rootsh is a package that violates about every kind of packaging guideline |
| 12:52.07 | Estel_ | keri, so go and fix it as soon as repos are online |
| 12:52.18 | Estel_ | it's still single most popular package in maemo |
| 12:52.18 | kerio | Estel_: the only fix is to delete it and pretend it never existed |
| 12:52.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: we simply don't care since it ever did and we can't change the past |
| 12:52.36 | Estel_ | just take into account that I'm asking seriously. |
| 12:52.48 | Estel_ | either we fix it on big scale |
| 12:53.02 | Estel_ | or make sad face and accept that fixing it now would cause fubar mess |
| 12:53.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have to agree with Estel_ |
| 12:53.23 | Estel_ | I have no idea how to fix it on big scale, if someone have - by some mad in the middle script or whatsnot - lets talk about it |
| 12:53.39 | kerio | hrmpf, i suppose that it could at least avoid the packaging issue |
| 12:53.55 | Estel_ | I'm all for fixing nonsense made by nokia or early maemo adopters, but only if we wont break half or 1/4 of repo content |
| 12:54.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since I don't see a single valid bug ticket |
| 12:54.34 | Estel_ | and no matter if we like it or not, rootsh is still more popular than anything else, including cssu ;) |
| 12:55.07 | ShadowJK | can you do "alias su=gainroot" and "alias 'su -'='root'" somewhere? ;-) |
| 12:55.13 | Estel_ | well, here we a little disagree, as I would have nothing against fixing it just for sake of future less-mess, but only id it wouldn't hurt (too bad) |
| 12:55.15 | kerio | ShadowJK: different syntax |
| 12:55.38 | ShadowJK | doesn't even see a problem keeping it the way it is |
| 12:55.45 | Estel_ | but now it seems to be hurting badly |
| 12:55.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | it is future-maximum-mess |
| 12:55.56 | Estel_ | so there are 3 of us already :P |
| 12:55.57 | kerio | ShadowJK: you have packages doing stuff like echo 'command' | root |
| 12:55.57 | ShadowJK | it's not like we have working pam either |
| 12:56.03 | Pali | su != gainroot --> which should be fixed |
| 12:56.04 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, right, currently, yes |
| 12:56.06 | kerio | that shit is fucked up, yo |
| 12:56.13 | Estel_ | thats why i said "if it wouldn't hurt (too bad)" |
| 12:56.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: says who? |
| 12:56.43 | Estel_ | replace should with "could" |
| 12:57.02 | Estel_ | it could be fixed and I would say yes, eagerly, if it wouldn't bring risk of fubar'ing half of repo |
| 12:57.34 | ShadowJK | Let's do it the Sun way, create a /usr/gnu/ prefix for gnulike replacements, then you can choose maemo standard or gnu standard at will |
| 12:57.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | it definitely WILL fubar stuff |
| 12:57.52 | Estel_ | qtmobilehotspot wasn't written by idiot, and if they did it like they did - ok, I agree that they should use other way, but I can only imagine that many others followed same scheme |
| 12:57.56 | kerio | Estel_: fwiw, a package that breaks because you change something in rootsh's gainroot means that it was doing something seriously wrong, and it should be fixed |
| 12:58.05 | kerio | and the developer should be fixed too |
| 12:58.11 | kerio | so we reduce the damage to the genetic pool |
| 12:58.28 | Estel_ | kerio, sure, but you should tell them when they released |
| 12:58.36 | Estel_ | not a year after they're not contactable |
| 12:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the one breaking rootsh on purpose to force others to fix their stupid progs will get shot |
| 12:59.00 | Estel_ | I know rootsh is doing it the wrong way, but, it's special case due to it being legacy of early maemo adopters |
| 12:59.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I promise that |
| 12:59.19 | kerio | meh, at least we should fix rootsh's packaging |
| 12:59.21 | Pali | note that rootsh is 3rd application from extras which provide root binary, so each package which depends on it is in maemo package interface |
| 12:59.39 | Pali | we can look at it and find if something could break |
| 12:59.41 | Estel_ | kerio, we may not like it, but it's like trashing half of the city, because socialist's architects did it wrong way |
| 12:59.48 | Estel_ | and leaving people homeless, for greater good |
| 13:00.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: go ahead |
| 13:00.13 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/rootsh |
| 13:00.20 | Estel_ | in Poland we have many examples of sad architecture, but nuking it all at once isn't good fix |
| 13:01.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you're done with finding all pkgs using rootsh in *-install or anyewhere in program, maybe even without proper DEPENDS in pks, when you got all fixed and tested and claimed maintainership, than come back here and report |
| 13:01.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: honestly, it's a silly idea |
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| 13:03.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ship a better-rootsh pkg, deprecate rootsh pkg, in 2 or 3 years you can start to fade it out. That's the way such stuff gets handled |
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| 13:05.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | why not ship a proper su-package? |
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| 13:06.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | su is borked just because silly messybox. Ship a proper stand-alone su binary and fine you are |
| 13:06.56 | kerio | how does one apply for maintainership of a package? |
| 13:07.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | will conflict with messybox, but so what? |
| 13:07.08 | Estel_ | kerio, you get logged in |
| 13:07.16 | Estel_ | and from package page, you apply |
| 13:07.27 | Estel_ | you can send new version to devel without being maintainer, though |
| 13:07.31 | kerio | one does not "conflict" with messybox |
| 13:07.44 | kerio | replace or divert or change messybox and update both at the same time |
| 13:08.00 | Estel_ | Pali, in fact after shipping proper rootsh package you could start fading it away in 6 months :P |
| 13:08.01 | kerio | hm, would it be a stretch for the busybox package to include a proper su binary? |
| 13:08.07 | Estel_ | as things are going faster in Maemo |
| 13:08.20 | Estel_ | kerio, busybox power is the answer |
| 13:08.26 | kerio | nope |
| 13:08.33 | kerio | busybox-power's su is also broken |
| 13:08.37 | Estel_ | but then it would need to get into cssu without idiotic requiments to split it into two packages |
| 13:08.42 | Estel_ | but it can get fixed ,) |
| 13:08.53 | kerio | because you'd have to make busybox suid |
| 13:08.55 | Estel_ | no, seriously |
| 13:09.00 | kerio | which is a Bad Ideaâ„¢ |
| 13:09.01 | Estel_ | Pali's idea is good |
| 13:09.04 | Estel_ | but not suddenly |
| 13:09.10 | kerio | no, seriously, su needs to be a separate binary |
| 13:09.18 | Estel_ | first, lets fix broken packages, starting with rootsh |
| 13:09.33 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, sorry for pestering, but whats difference between: |
| 13:09.44 | Estel_ | kh/v=107 |
| 13:09.49 | Pali | and question again: why we should install another binary to n900, and have also old bad binary? |
| 13:09.57 | Estel_ | and vt/lyrs=s |
| 13:10.03 | Estel_ | suffix of address? |
| 13:10.10 | Estel_ | I see old value commented out in .map-config |
| 13:10.11 | Pali | why should I have installed both good and bad binary in my n900? |
| 13:10.28 | Estel_ | new calue, if satelite map is open from browser, have vt/lyrs= suffix |
| 13:10.49 | Estel_ | but, it should be updated too, or kept kh/v=107? |
| 13:11.19 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, ^. Again, sorry for pestering, I just don't have idea what it uses and if mimicing browser view entirely is good idea |
| 13:11.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I for the life of mine don't see the root problem (pun intended), use `root` to get proper root env and perms, use `sudo gainroot` to get root without changing environment |
| 13:11.54 | kerio | Pali: the issue is that /bin/su MUST be suid root |
| 13:11.58 | kerio | to work properly |
| 13:12.04 | kerio | busybox works by having one binary and a bunch of symlinks |
| 13:12.14 | kerio | symlinks can't be made suid root |
| 13:12.23 | kerio | and you MUST NOT make /bin/busybox suid root |
| 13:12.35 | Pali | kerio, I know and this is reason why I want to call /bin/su from gainroot called via sudo |
| 13:12.50 | Pali | this will work because su will be called as root |
| 13:12.54 | Pali | (I tested it) |
| 13:12.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF we *must* change semantics of `sudo gainroot`??? |
| 13:12.58 | kerio | Pali: sudo gainroot --use-su |
| 13:13.01 | Estel_ | isn't it achievable by not breaking "root" and "gainroot" as used by rootsh? |
| 13:13.14 | Pali | kerio, that working only if you have installed rootsh package |
| 13:13.16 | kerio | which is what is ran by `root` |
| 13:13.23 | kerio | ok then |
| 13:13.25 | kerio | sudo gainroot |
| 13:13.29 | kerio | and then type su - |
| 13:13.32 | Pali | gainroot comes from sudo package from SSU |
| 13:13.43 | kerio | indeed |
| 13:13.48 | Pali | root and patched gainroot comes from extras package rootsh |
| 13:13.50 | kerio | and that one doesn't have --use-su |
| 13:14.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | calling su that doesn't do any su is a meaningless execise |
| 13:14.36 | kerio | but if i had to guess, i'd say that that separate option was added *because* they didn't want to break the existing semantics |
| 13:14.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: su - makes a login shell of some sorts |
| 13:14.57 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, no, it create *proper* shell |
| 13:14.58 | kerio | it's probably the same as typing login, or something akin to that |
| 13:15.06 | M4rtinK | Estel_: I mostly just try to discard all components from the URL as long I can get a working link to the tile image |
| 13:15.22 | Estel_ | so cut-and-check, until it dies? |
| 13:15.27 | kerio | it should be the same as running login -f root |
| 13:15.31 | Estel_ | then revert to shortest working link? |
| 13:15.56 | M4rtinK | Estel_: hmm, now when I think about it, Google might then think about the URL as less trustworthy :) |
| 13:16.05 | M4rtinK | Estel_: yeah, basically |
| 13:17.53 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, holy shit, we need open soource satelite swarm |
| 13:18.01 | Estel_ | this google thing is way to messy |
| 13:18.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: you ever thought that maybe those who use `sudo gainroot` do *not* *wnat* a proper shell? |
| 13:18.28 | M4rtinK | IIRC there are even some licence compatible aerial data sets |
| 13:18.48 | Pali | no, because sudo gainroot shoudl do proper shell |
| 13:18.50 | M4rtinK | but no one is currently hosting them in an usable form |
| 13:18.51 | Pali | also it write "Root shell enabled" |
| 13:18.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: says who? |
| 13:19.10 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, sudo gainroot say it |
| 13:19.24 | M4rtinK | Estel_: see: http://openaerialmap.org/Main_Page |
| 13:19.24 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, then remove bad message from gainroot |
| 13:19.33 | Pali | it not doing root shell |
| 13:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: just because _you_ _think_ it 2should do a proper shell" is no argument to patch mess into mess |
| 13:19.42 | M4rtinK | Estel_: currently offline |
| 13:20.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: no, I want that messy message |
| 13:20.00 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, look at what sudo gainroot writing and what doing |
| 13:20.10 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, I see... |
| 13:20.14 | Pali | it is not root shell what gainroot doing |
| 13:20.31 | Pali | remove that message or fix sudo gainroot to do what it prints |
| 13:20.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't give a shit what it's writing, I care what it did so far, and I expect it continues to do exactly that |
| 13:20.48 | Estel_ | well, Pali have a point here |
| 13:21.05 | Pali | and I expect that some application will do what writing |
| 13:21.08 | Estel_ | I don't see reason why we can't fix that simple message in rootsh, and it's packaging problem at the same time |
| 13:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: then he should remove that message |
| 13:21.17 | Estel_ | nods |
| 13:21.35 | kerio | that message is part of the semantics |
| 13:21.43 | Estel_ | while i can live with this idiotic message, if cosmetic is what he want to spend time on, why not. all for the better |
| 13:21.44 | Pali | or instead that message it should write: this is not proper root shell |
| 13:22.01 | Pali | this is bug: application not doing what printing to user |
| 13:22.04 | M4rtinK | Estel_:hmm, changing v=107 to v=124 might be enough |
| 13:22.11 | Estel_ | as long as it doesnt break half of repos I'm all for fixes :) |
| 13:22.29 | kerio | how can you be sure that there's no program that, say, expects that line to send commands? |
| 13:22.33 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, hm, thanks, I already did vt/lyrs=s, will see what it ends up like |
| 13:22.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | BWAHAHAHAAAAHAA "i'm lieing, *always*" |
| 13:22.50 | M4rtinK | Estel_: but it is quite hard to test if google already autobanned you for downloading to many tiles (happens all the time) |
| 13:23.02 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, lol, true |
| 13:23.07 | Pali | and really I do not have any idea how can changing sudo sh --> to sudo su break application |
| 13:23.15 | Pali | sudo su --> sudo sh is possible |
| 13:23.26 | Estel_ | if yahoo sat wouldnt be too outdated, I wouldn't gie a rat's shit about google sat view |
| 13:23.27 | Pali | but our direction not |
| 13:23.29 | M4rtinK | Estel_: an interesting experiemtn might be to leve also some of the other options in the url, just to see it makes it more trustworthy :) |
| 13:23.35 | Estel_ | or if we would have open aerial map ;) |
| 13:23.48 | Estel_ | why not, I can testdrive it |
| 13:23.54 | M4rtinK | Estel_: yeah, Google is unfortunately the only globally usable |
| 13:24.01 | Pali | I can see couple of reason why some applications could be broken with current situation |
| 13:24.36 | M4rtinK | Estel_: virtual earth & yahoo are mostly unusable outside outside from the most major areas |
| 13:24.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: don't start talking silly! You said your patch is meant to change $HOME now, while formerly `sudo gainroot` doesn't. That sure as hell will break things |
| 13:24.41 | Estel_ | Pali, maybe cssu-devel is good place to test it? |
| 13:24.58 | Estel_ | cssu-devel users could then check if, for example, qtmobilehotspot get hit or not |
| 13:25.00 | Pali | if you call sudo gainroot for gettin "root shell" and then you will call some application which needs to be started as root and that application check "$USER" it will fail |
| 13:25.09 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, yea |
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| 13:25.30 | kerio | Pali: $USER is not to be relied upon |
| 13:25.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: that's exactly what it's meant to be |
| 13:25.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you MUST NOT change that |
| 13:26.08 | CcxCZ_ | can I use debian repos to install software missing from the maemo ones? |
| 13:26.20 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, without my patch some application started from sudo gainroot will not work |
| 13:26.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 13:26.32 | Estel_ | CcxCZ_, sure, but most of it wont work ;) |
| 13:26.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | it never did |
| 13:27.14 | Pali | in root shell you should have correct $HOME and $USER and if not message "root shell" should not be shown to user |
| 13:27.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | but with your patch an app that formerly did a wget to current directory will now wget to root's $home |
| 13:27.38 | Pali | and gainroot priting message that this *is* root shell - which is not truth |
| 13:27.40 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, strange, now my modrana stopped working alltogether |
| 13:27.43 | Estel_ | i.e. it loads |
| 13:27.50 | Estel_ | but it doesn't see any layers, at all |
| 13:27.56 | Estel_ | as available |
| 13:27.57 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, sudo gainroot chaning PWD to /root |
| 13:28.00 | Estel_ | only "empty layer" |
| 13:28.05 | Pali | su doing it too |
| 13:28.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: again, and last time, if that message bugs you so much, remove it! |
| 13:28.16 | Estel_ | config file looks ok... well, maybe I deleted some " unnecessary |
| 13:28.58 | Estel_ | yea, silly me, it was just typo |
| 13:29.06 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, you did not show me any possible situation when some application could be broken after change |
| 13:29.12 | Estel_ | sorry, I'm quite new to mess with modrana internals |
| 13:29.55 | Pali | and I see couple of situation when root applications will not work in shell spawned by gainroot |
| 13:30.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ $ id |
| 13:30.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) |
| 13:30.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ $ echo $HOME |
| 13:31.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | /home/user |
| 13:31.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ $ pwd |
| 13:31.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | /home/user |
| 13:31.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ $ sudo gainroot |
| 13:31.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Password: |
| 13:31.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | Root shell enabled |
| 13:31.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso31+0cssu0) built-in shell (ash) |
| 13:31.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. |
| 13:31.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | /home/user # echo $HOME |
| 13:31.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | /home/user |
| 13:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | /home/user # pwd |
| 13:31.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | /home/user |
| 13:31.20 | kerio | dat paste |
| 13:31.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | since I'm fed up with it |
| 13:32.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-26 14:27:57] <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, sudo gainroot chaning PWD to /root |
| 13:32.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: NO it's NOT |
| 13:32.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you'll BREAK THINGS if you change that |
| 13:33.14 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, I can confirm, that google overlay sa |
| 13:33.23 | Estel_ | started working for me only *after* changing it |
| 13:33.34 | Estel_ | from "mt1" to "mts1" |
| 13:33.40 | Estel_ | in map_config file |
| 13:34.04 | Estel_ | mts1.google.com seems to be required one, currently. No idea how it could work for you with old address |
| 13:34.17 | M4rtinK | Estel_: ok, noted :) |
| 13:35.25 | M4rtinK | Estel_: maybe also try some geographically distinct areas ? |
| 13:35.33 | Estel_ | tried that |
| 13:35.42 | Estel_ | I'm sure i was never in africa from modrana |
| 13:35.50 | Estel_ | at zoom 16 :P |
| 13:35.53 | M4rtinK | Estel_: hh |
| 13:37.46 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, depending on zoom, address change from mts1.google.com, to mts0.google.com (for closer looks) |
| 13:37.51 | Estel_ | isnt it problem? |
| 13:40.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | (([2013-01-26 14:29:55] <Pali> and I see couple of situation when root applications will not work in shell spawned by gainroot)) then don't use sudo gainroot for those apps. It's not meant to get used this way! And evidently nobody did so far, since... it doen't work. So WTF *is* the bug you're fixing? |
| 13:40.34 | M4rtinK | Estel_: mts0 & mts1 are IIRC are just mirrors, that enable the javascript in the web map to download multiple times at once |
| 13:41.11 | Estel_ | ah, i though its related to new "angled view" at close zoom |
| 13:41.25 | Pali | sudo gainroot is only way how to get root without any 3rd application |
| 13:41.32 | Estel_ | i.e. fact, that, for web page, it starts showing photos took from angle, not high above, for close zooms |
| 13:41.50 | Pali | and it not spawn proper root shell, so some root applications will not work here |
| 13:41.55 | Estel_ | interesingly, some other programs still show "straight-down" view for close zooms |
| 13:42.12 | M4rtinK | Estel_: "Generally several subdomains (server names) are provided to get around browser limitations on the number of simultaneous HTTP connections to each host. Browser-based applications can thus request multiple tiles from multiple subdomains faster than from one subdomain." |
| 13:42.29 | Estel_ | hm, can modrana exploit it too? |
| 13:42.31 | M4rtinK | Estel_: from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Slippy_map_tilenames#Tile_servers |
| 13:42.47 | Estel_ | i.e. use mirrors, to go around risk of autoban? |
| 13:43.08 | Estel_ | instead of pulling dozens from one mirror, pull some from mts0, 1, 2, 3... |
| 13:43.09 | M4rtinK | modRana already downloads multiple tiles at once |
| 13:43.26 | M4rtinK | the question is if it makes a difference |
| 13:43.30 | Estel_ | but from same mirror? or not |
| 13:43.42 | Estel_ | well, if my browser doesnt get banned so quickly using mirrors... |
| 13:43.47 | M4rtinK | if the mirrors share accounting |
| 13:43.48 | Estel_ | even if I hover like mad |
| 13:44.03 | M4rtinK | yeah, good point |
| 13:44.05 | Estel_ | but maybe google uses it to pinpoint "illegal" apps? |
| 13:44.12 | M4rtinK | might be also sue to user-agent though |
| 13:44.18 | Estel_ | if something download many tiles at once from one mirror, it's suspicious |
| 13:44.27 | Estel_ | and most likely, app |
| 13:44.34 | Estel_ | well, we can use chrome user agent :P |
| 13:45.03 | Estel_ | I always wondered ahy I can, very quickly, hover above whole city in close zoom and download hundreds of tiles in browser... |
| 13:45.10 | Estel_ | but in modrana, I get banned quickly |
| 13:45.29 | Estel_ | maybe user customizable user agents + using mirrors is a way to go to avoid limits |
| 13:45.46 | Estel_ | after all, everyone is free to user any useragent she(e want, it isn't patented (yet) |
| 13:46.18 | Estel_ | and mirrors are publicly available. +, it's user responsibility, is he uses google sat map outside eula... BTW, in Pland, google eula for maps isn't ever legal |
| 13:46.46 | M4rtinK | Estel_: most EULAs aren't :) |
| 13:46.58 | teotwaki_ | Yes, because going around the technological limitations that people set up so you wouldn't abuse them is so "ethical". |
| 13:47.05 | Estel_ | :) |
| 13:47.29 | Estel_ | my ethic doesn hurt when i use google map from fast modrana, instead from clunky user interface |
| 13:47.34 | Estel_ | of browser |
| 13:47.34 | M4rtinK | you can experiment with the user-agent here: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/blob/master/modules/mod_mapTiles.py#L194 |
| 13:47.44 | Estel_ | thanks :) |
| 13:48.05 | teotwaki_ | This is pretty much like the idiots who thought they could use our API for free. We had setup a reasonable limit of x API calls per day, per IP. |
| 13:48.08 | Estel_ | teotwaki_, it isn't about abusing, it's about forcing to use browser over app, to get same results |
| 13:48.30 | Estel_ | well, it's not api, that we're talking about |
| 13:48.48 | teotwaki_ | Some company tried to use our API for profit, but didn't want to pay, so they started setting up multiple servers they could use our API from. |
| 13:49.02 | Estel_ | anyway, call me evil, but I won't shed a single tear about google being not able to force browser usage on me |
| 13:49.09 | Estel_ | for getting same results |
| 13:49.18 | teotwaki_ | (to get around the API calls limit) |
| 13:49.41 | Estel_ | well, you could write more security... or go FOSS way :) |
| 13:49.53 | M4rtinK | Estel_: or better here: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/blob/master/core/configs.py#L220 |
| 13:50.00 | Estel_ | ok... |
| 13:50.07 | teotwaki_ | They were very quick to subscribe and use a single IP when I added a data randomizer for all of their requests :) |
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| 13:50.58 | Estel_ | sounds fun. Problem with google is that they don't give a shit about ammount of data used |
| 13:51.09 | M4rtinK | modRana is not a commercial application & users are free to use it how they like :) |
| 13:51.09 | Estel_ | they just want to enforce to know everything about user using it |
| 13:51.27 | teotwaki_ | Estel_: we are FOSS. Our whole API software is dual licensed GPL, with the libraries under LGPL :) |
| 13:51.53 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, excuse my noobines, but this is drop-in replacement for python file, or I have to do something else before using it? |
| 13:52.04 | Estel_ | teotwaki_, then why on earth they tried to abuse? |
| 13:52.11 | M4rtinK | BTW, that is why OSM based routing is so important |
| 13:52.19 | Estel_ | yea |
| 13:52.26 | M4rtinK | as Google can log your routing requests |
| 13:52.27 | kerio | Estel_: because they're idiots |
| 13:52.40 | teotwaki_ | Estel_: because the API is FOSS, our infrastructure that gives you access to placing millions of phone calls isn't :) |
| 13:52.41 | M4rtinK | still it is much harder from modRana than from a browser |
| 13:53.09 | Estel_ | teotwaki_, well, but api allowed to do some free requests to everyone, yep? |
| 13:53.20 | M4rtinK | Estel_: just edit /opt/modrana/core/config.py :) |
| 13:53.23 | teotwaki_ | Everyone with an account, yes. |
| 13:53.34 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, thats what I thought, just wanted to be sure |
| 13:54.09 | Estel_ | teotwaki_, then hunting abusers is part of fun |
| 13:54.23 | teotwaki_ | Oh it definitely is |
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| 13:54.52 | teotwaki_ | We operate call centre solutions, recently, I've been tasked to down call centre agents who place personal calls on their work time :) |
| 13:55.09 | Estel_ | but i hope you see distinct difference between modrana accessing data exactly the same way any browser is able too (you can even call modrana browser with strange features, like voice nav) and your case |
| 13:55.17 | teotwaki_ | Estel_: I do, no worries :) |
| 13:55.32 | xes | it's me ...or talk.m.o is progressively slowing down? |
| 13:55.38 | teotwaki_ | track down** |
| 13:55.46 | teotwaki_ | I don't "down" agents, whatever that may mean. |
| 13:55.49 | Estel_ | xes, everything related to maemo infra is, one way or another |
| 13:56.59 | Estel_ | teotwaki_, also teach them than "reboot your system" isn't always best first part of conversation with client |
| 13:57.05 | Estel_ | or reboot your router |
| 13:57.16 | teotwaki_ | I don't talk to the agents :) |
| 13:57.22 | Estel_ | just joking ;) |
| 13:57.27 | M4rtinK | I really hope the Fremantle OBS Pali usually mentions gets resurrected |
| 13:57.44 | Estel_ | its dead? |
| 13:57.46 | M4rtinK | it works really nice for Harmattan & Mer/Nemo |
| 13:57.57 | Estel_ | I thought it is what maemo repos was heading into |
| 13:58.06 | M4rtinK | I don't meen the MeeGo COBS |
| 13:58.11 | teotwaki_ | but yeah, I found one guy, working for the (french) government, who spent 300 hours, over the last year, calling friends in the US. |
| 13:58.18 | M4rtinK | yeah, there was some progress in the summer |
| 13:58.47 | M4rtinK | but then everything switched to emergency mode due to the Nokia announcements |
| 13:58.55 | M4rtinK | I even logged into it once |
| 13:59.45 | Estel_ | well, last time when i checked on late autumn, it was still goal |
| 14:00.22 | Estel_ | well, I've heard that TMO got funny new administrator - lets hope that he will be able to deal with technical issue |
| 14:00.23 | M4rtinK | I hope it still is once everything is stabilized |
| 14:00.25 | Estel_ | issues* |
| 14:00.45 | Estel_ | hopefully to the point that he will be too sick with TMO to even think about being trigger-happy again |
| 14:00.56 | Estel_ | well, whatever |
| 14:01.03 | Estel_ | same here, M4rtinK |
| 14:01.11 | Estel_ | autobuilder is enough pita as it is |
| 14:04.00 | M4rtinK | OBS makes collaboration easy |
| 14:04.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: tmo also slowing down now? LOL, I guess the guys at Nemein will have a very tough weekend |
| 14:05.16 | M4rtinK | also for Mer, you can pull packages directly from the SUSE OBS instance (wont directly work for Fremantle though) |
| 14:05.50 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: yes... slowing down is not a good. You know that usually is just the beginning |
| 14:06.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, >>Cpu(s): 5.0%us, 0.8%sy, 0.0%ni, 93.8%id, 0.3%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.2%st << |
| 14:06.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and tmo is _not_ behind that friggin firewall/NAT |
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| 14:07.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's indeed a tad slow, but that might be some backup via network, or sth |
| 14:08.11 | jacekowski | wha sort of FW is it? |
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| 14:13.34 | Pali | M4rtinK, fremantle cobs is really dead |
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| 14:14.24 | kerio | jacekowski: xen-grid vm |
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| 14:39.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: Endian |
| 14:40.02 | kerio | hm, did we forget to backup the source of the packages in the repos? |
| 14:40.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope not |
| 14:40.32 | kerio | ~mirror |
| 14:40.33 | infobot | i guess mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 |
| 14:40.49 | kerio | oh, it's in source/ |
| 14:40.54 | kerio | phew |
| 14:43.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | starts to feel too sick with post sin this channel to NOT feel trigger-happy |
| 14:43.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | posts in* |
| 14:43.44 | kerio | ? |
| 14:43.46 | Estel_ | why so, rootsh discussion was better than popcorn |
| 14:43.51 | merlin1991 | kerio: i'm not entirely insane, i did save the sources aswell :D |
| 14:44.20 | kerio | i remember RMO having the sources in the same place as the .debs but maybe i'm confused |
| 14:45.33 | merlin1991 | kerio: rmo always had the sources in sources/ cssu-thumb has them in place |
| 14:45.54 | kerio | no, i was thinking of the debian repos |
| 14:47.06 | Estel_ | M4rtinK, I've nuked overlay database which seems like fixed problem I was mentioning earlier. Also, changed useragent to chrome, will report after a week or so if it make me less bannable by google :P, |
| 14:47.19 | Estel_ | can't test right now as I'm already temp banned due to tiles |
| 14:47.30 | Estel_ | thanks for your help and interesting talk! |
| 14:48.51 | CcxCZ_ | is there key combo mapped to esc on N900? |
| 14:49.35 | M4rtinK | Estel_: thanks - yeah, semi-longterm testing ins the only way to work :) |
| 14:50.42 | jonwil | is the wiki still down? |
| 14:52.32 | jonwil | yep, definatly looks that way to me :) |
| 14:53.09 | thedead1440 | jonwil: same here |
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| 14:57.28 | merlin1991 | CcxCZ_: nope |
| 14:59.38 | CcxCZ_ | how do I play angband then? D: |
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| 15:00.19 | CcxCZ_ | I've found xmodmap, but can't find xev |
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| 15:10.08 | teotwaki_ | anyway, off to shopping, and cooking for 8. What a waste of fucking time. |
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| 16:06.28 | Paul1210 | does phone functions work with an alt os on n900 (like debian / ubuntu with ofono) ? |
| 16:06.38 | kerio | afaik no |
| 16:07.36 | Paul1210 | kerio: thanks |
| 16:13.59 | CcxCZ_ | Paul1210: there are some issues with audio quality making it unuseable afaik |
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| 16:53.48 | jonwil | I suspect the audio quality issues are because the alternative operating systems do not have the relevant Nokia-special PulseAudio algorithms that the stock OS has |
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| 17:33.39 | greenbarel | is it posible to rum maemo on any of the android tablets |
| 17:33.43 | greenbarel | run* |
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| 17:36.09 | greenbarel | is it posible to run maemo on any of the android tablets? |
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| 17:42.53 | Sicelo | greenbarel: depends what exactly you mean. Maemo as a whole will not work anywhere else that the NIT it belongs to. |
| 17:43.21 | Sicelo | s/that/than/ |
| 17:45.49 | greenbarel | i think someone ported it to htc hd 2 phone |
| 17:47.38 | greenbarel | here it is |
| 17:47.39 | greenbarel | http://www.techknots.com/mobiles/htc-hd2-running-maemo/ |
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| 17:48.51 | greenbarel | i realy like maemo i had n900 but battery life is short, and it is shaped like brick |
| 17:49.24 | Sicelo | mine is not shaped that way. |
| 17:54.26 | kgu | ~NIT |
| 17:54.27 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, nit is Nokia Internet Tablet |
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| 17:55.09 | ShadowJK | my spare N900 has weeklong batterylife :P |
| 17:55.20 | ShadowJK | only uses it for calls and alarm clock |
| 17:56.35 | greenbarel | yes NIT but thats long forgoten project, last device was n9 |
| 17:56.59 | greenbarel | and it has meego on it |
| 17:57.34 | kgu | isn't it a little inconvenient to have several devices for daily usage? |
| 17:57.46 | greenbarel | n900 with 1.5 cm i think is the thickest phone |
| 17:58.01 | greenbarel | i just have pc and phone |
| 17:58.41 | greenbarel | and i am looking for some tablets and i am interested in buying some if i can install maemo on it |
| 17:58.45 | kgu | was thinking about ShadowJK's usage :) |
| 17:59.05 | greenbarel | xD |
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| 18:01.46 | greenbarel | btw have anyone here experience with metasploit and armitage i am having some dificulties with it |
| 18:02.13 | Sicelo | wouldn't be surprised is that HTC+Maemo video is bogus. I haven't viewed it btw |
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| 18:03.35 | greenbarel | i read it but idk about it, htc hd is capable of running lots of mobile os idk why could't run maemoo |
| 18:03.50 | kerio | the colors are all weird |
| 18:03.53 | kerio | i bet it's vnc |
| 18:04.25 | kerio | "This video is a Dramatization of what it could be like." |
| 18:04.25 | kerio | yep |
| 18:06.05 | greenbarel | 0:10 |
| 18:06.43 | kerio | do you want to know why it couldn't run maemo? |
| 18:06.46 | kerio | ~closed |
| 18:06.46 | infobot | somebody said closed was http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages |
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| 18:10.26 | xes_ | ..vnc is painting the screen from the upside to downside, the screen locker is something not part of maemo.. |
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| 18:22.53 | ShadowJK | kgu, just that the spare device is usually on desk and main device is in pocket, so I usually pick up the spare one when someone calls |
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| 18:23.01 | ShadowJK | (all my phones have the same phone number associated) |
| 18:26.33 | kgu | ShadowJK: So all of them ring, when someone calls? |
| 18:26.53 | ShadowJK | yes |
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| 18:28.07 | futpib | what is the second one? |
| 18:28.21 | ShadowJK | has 2 N900 |
| 18:28.28 | ShadowJK | in use |
| 18:28.43 | ShadowJK | hot spare :s |
| 18:29.00 | futpib | you mad |
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| 18:30.49 | kerio | no, u mad |
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| 18:33.40 | futpib | i mean in good way |
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| 18:42.08 | ShadowJK | 4 N900, 1 N800, 1 N810, 1 Nokia E75, 1 Nokia E70, 1 Asus Transformer tf700 |
| 18:42.53 | Estel_ | 8 N900 |
| 18:42.56 | Estel_ | beat that |
| 18:43.05 | Estel_ | although they're mobile in a specific way |
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| 18:43.14 | Estel_ | most of them sold when good buyer found |
| 18:43.18 | Estel_ | and new ones bought |
| 18:43.25 | Estel_ | 2 of them are dead, part donors |
| 18:43.35 | Estel_ | oh, sorry, 3 of them are dead |
| 18:44.01 | Estel_ | (but with good screen module, 2 of them perfect, 1 quite scratched) |
| 18:44.08 | Estel_ | one main + one backup |
| 18:44.18 | Estel_ | + 3 rotating, i.e. sold and bought |
| 18:44.27 | kgu | how much is a new screen? |
| 18:44.31 | Estel_ | so their number varies |
| 18:44.51 | Estel_ | it depends, most of the time you find chinese replacement with varying quality |
| 18:45.05 | Estel_ | some really suxx. I keep original ones |
| 18:45.25 | Estel_ | also define screen |
| 18:45.27 | Estel_ | lcd module? |
| 18:45.30 | Estel_ | digitizer? |
| 18:45.40 | Estel_ | or whole screen module, including slider? |
| 18:45.41 | kgu | the upper scratcy part :) |
| 18:45.48 | Estel_ | digitizer |
| 18:46.14 | Estel_ | well, you may fin original for quite cheap, but it's quite impossible to find ones without scratches |
| 18:46.21 | Estel_ | most of them have one or two big ones |
| 18:46.32 | Estel_ | perfectly new are, usually, replacements |
| 18:46.57 | Estel_ | some work as well as original, reportedly, and some are worse than digitizers of pda's from pre 2000 |
| 18:47.09 | kgu | yeah, mine has areas where the protection has gone |
| 18:47.17 | Estel_ | (digitizer, in case someone is not aware, also work as input device for touch) |
| 18:47.30 | Estel_ | hm, I always use protecting foils |
| 18:47.38 | Estel_ | just replace them if got scratched too much |
| 18:48.02 | kgu | yeah, I know. too late now.. |
| 18:48.03 | Estel_ | interestingly enough, I replaced mine only once. found el-cheapo brand that makes really durable ones |
| 18:48.44 | Estel_ | wanna buy new digitizer for 50 euro? :P |
| 18:49.12 | kgu | dream on ;) |
| 18:49.19 | Sicelo | lol |
| 18:50.30 | Estel_ | seriously, I just thought about price that would convince me to spare my original replacements in perfect condition |
| 18:50.46 | Estel_ | you never know when you may be in need of using them, so I keep it |
| 18:51.28 | Estel_ | well, vi____ pays more, reportedly, as he is buying original parts from Nokia care including freplace, but *not* allowing them to replace it |
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| 18:51.53 | Estel_ | preffering to replace it on his own, instead of giving morons at nokia ocymoron care chance to touch and break something |
| 18:52.16 | Estel_ | sounds like rip off, but he seems happy |
| 18:52.38 | Estel_ | s/ocymoron/oxymoron |
| 18:52.54 | Estel_ | anyway |
| 18:53.02 | Estel_ | I got problem for maemo sound system gurus |
| 18:53.03 | kerio | Estel_: there's that dude on tmo with like 5 n950s |
| 18:53.13 | kerio | he pwns you pretty hard |
| 18:53.14 | kgu | Can it really be a $7 buy on ebay, what's the scam? http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Touch-Screen-Digitizer-for-NOKIA-N900-N-900-Tools-/330745729904 |
| 18:53.19 | Estel_ | kerio, not likely |
| 18:53.31 | Estel_ | as in additiion to N900's i have N950 too :P |
| 18:53.34 | kerio | how many? |
| 18:53.50 | Estel_ | one is enough, you don't want them to start reproducing |
| 18:54.01 | Estel_ | btw, he have uncle in R&D, or what? |
| 18:54.22 | Estel_ | kgu, it may be real, but crappy quality probably |
| 18:54.31 | Estel_ | dr_frost_dk bought one of those once |
| 18:54.37 | Estel_ | they work, but very, very poorly |
| 18:54.57 | Estel_ | BTW, how much is N950 sold nowadays? |
| 18:55.22 | kgu | wonder if you can buy digitizer directly from nokia |
| 18:55.25 | Estel_ | I'm buying new house and need to check if selling one device is enough already :P |
| 18:55.46 | Estel_ | Nokia could give last breath, at last |
| 18:55.59 | Estel_ | it would then be quicker to become cult collector device |
| 18:56.04 | Estel_ | last good product of nokia |
| 18:56.14 | Estel_ | last good product of first mobile phone company |
| 18:56.39 | Estel_ | in 30 years tech collectors will get orgasm just by seeing one |
| 18:56.54 | Estel_ | ~450 available in world |
| 18:57.11 | Estel_ | enough joking |
| 18:57.22 | Estel_ | Me got dillema, as said, for audio gurus |
| 18:57.29 | Estel_ | while using bluetooth adaptor... |
| 18:57.40 | Estel_ | I can put normal headphones into jack too, and radio works |
| 18:57.58 | Estel_ | but, fm radio works only on those wired headset or speakers |
| 18:58.15 | Estel_ | I wan't it to forward music via bluetooth at the same time. Doable? |
| 18:58.21 | Estel_ | via some fancy alsa mixer settings? |
| 18:58.41 | Estel_ | or won't work, as when bluetooth is in fm mode, it won't work with bluetooth headset? |
| 18:58.59 | nox- | fm radio needs an antenna which the headphone cable doubles as... |
| 18:59.04 | Estel_ | sure |
| 18:59.14 | Estel_ | thats why i said bluetooth headset & wired one connected |
| 18:59.17 | Estel_ | at the same time |
| 18:59.18 | nox- | ah |
| 18:59.21 | nox- | dunno then |
| 18:59.42 | Estel_ | actually, I'll check if it plays radio at all with bluetooth headset paired, via anything... |
| 18:59.50 | Estel_ | if yes, it should be 100% doable |
| 18:59.53 | Sicelo | btw, CFM Radio works even without earphones, of course, mostly a hiss |
| 19:00.13 | Estel_ | well, we need to spank javispedro |
| 19:00.33 | Estel_ | he got finished version, that allow to listen to radio without cpu used |
| 19:00.34 | ShadowJK | Hm, is fmradio connected analogically to sound mixer? |
| 19:00.37 | Estel_ | analog passthrough |
| 19:00.45 | Estel_ | yea |
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| 19:01.01 | Estel_ | but only unreleased version of javispedro's radio uses this feature |
| 19:01.07 | Estel_ | other things use digital |
| 19:01.16 | Estel_ | digital should be able to send via bluetooth |
| 19:01.25 | Estel_ | as it goes through cpu |
| 19:02.00 | ShadowJK | yeah |
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| 19:08.42 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Unemployed Chinese Graduates Say No Thanks To Factory Jobs |
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| 19:13.38 | kgu | Will ubuntu on the n900 be able to handle calls and sms? |
| 19:14.13 | Sicelo | not yet |
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| 19:14.44 | Sicelo | sms should actually already work |
| 19:16.48 | kgu | hope that ubuntu giving effort on the smartphone market will have good sideeffect on a working ubuntu on n900 :) |
| 19:17.13 | Sicelo | hmm |
| 19:23.36 | kerio | vi____: *poke* |
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| 19:31.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | buntkuh on N900? i'm not sure whom I hate more, Canonical or Google. So probably I might rather switch to nitfroid than to buntkuh |
| 19:36.06 | cehteh | but wasnt harmattan all Kuh-Tee based? :) |
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| 19:47.54 | kerio | btw, sygic is kinda open to download from the mirrors |
| 19:49.32 | kerio | oh, it's open to downloads from the officila mirror too |
| 19:49.58 | ShadowJK | official mirror? |
| 19:50.04 | kerio | er, from the official repo |
| 19:50.08 | kerio | that is, ovi |
| 19:50.41 | ShadowJK | sure |
| 19:51.05 | kerio | it makes little sense, i thought it wasn't freeware |
| 19:51.53 | ShadowJK | Yeah you get unlock code when you buy it, changes it from demo to full |
| 19:51.55 | ShadowJK | iirc |
| 19:52.14 | kerio | oic |
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