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| 00:04.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Received: from mail.maemo.org (test.maemo.org [188.117.59.198]) |
| 00:04.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | by myserver.cloud7.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r0IMj2wS008457 |
| 00:04.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | for <maemocouncil@mydomain.xxx>; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:45:05 +0100 |
| 00:04.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | That's it, direct transfer from council list to my alias on my server |
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| 00:10.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | mmmpf |
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| 00:12.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still wonder wtf test.m.o is doing for us |
| 00:16.42 | jonwil | ok, so is there an up-to-date list of what works, what works but is slow because of network issues (if there are any left) and what doesn't yet work? |
| 00:21.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure |
| 00:21.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588 |
| 00:21.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | or |
| 00:21.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~repo-down |
| 00:21.58 | infobot | hmm... repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42 |
| 00:23.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | short story: repo and autobuilder (plus relatives) are not working |
| 00:24.06 | jonwil | ok, thanks for the info |
| 00:24.51 | jonwil | But the mailing lists are 100% working? |
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| 00:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | should, except some perceived delivery problems with gmail (and others?) |
| 00:32.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | woody reported creation of accounts doesn't work due to maemo.org not sending confirmation mail |
| 00:32.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I haven't verified that yet |
| 00:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you'd like to create a test account you're more than welcome to do so |
| 00:33.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix reported he doesn't see any mails from lists.m.o |
| 00:36.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix -> 38400 IN MX 5 ALT2.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM. |
| 00:37.29 | jonwil | I think the best answer is to put my GPRS research onto the wiki and then share links to that in the places that matter :) |
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| 00:37.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa_, who also seems to sufer problems at least for sending mails from tmo (according to chem|st) -> 86400 IN MX 1 aspmx.l.google.com. |
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| 01:12.24 | Mekkis | is there any alternative to repo? |
| 01:12.55 | Skry | ~mirror |
| 01:12.55 | infobot | rumour has it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 |
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| 01:24.56 | jonwil | ~seen kerio |
| 01:25.03 | infobot | kerio is currently on #maemo #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 457 messages. Is idling for 2h 43s, last said: 'khm: MAME!'. |
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| 02:00.03 | jonwil | kerio: ping |
| 02:05.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly a bad time of day in his TZ |
| 02:06.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders wtf made knotify4 eat 50% of CPU |
| 02:07.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | until I killed it |
| 02:08.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | my poor CPU, this friffin thinkpad T500 can't even stand one core at max for extended period of time, CPU temp reached 100°C |
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| 02:15.53 | ShadowJK | what cpu? |
| 02:16.15 | ShadowJK | makes mental note to run all cores at 100% CPU during first 14 days if he ever gets a new laptop |
| 02:18.07 | robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer05, change the thermal settings - Get it to spin up the fan |
| 02:18.20 | robbiethe1st | From what I remember, the default windows setting was to keep the fan speed low. |
| 02:19.38 | robbiethe1st | On Linux, it's not controlled by default - you have to install a Fan Control app, or it /will/ overheat at max. With such an app(or manual poking of the /sys file), it'll run fine. |
| 02:20.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: I manually crank up fan to max speed |
| 02:20.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | which seems ~5000RPM |
| 02:21.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably it's time to shut down the device and clean the heatsink |
| 02:21.57 | robbiethe1st | Yeah, ouch then |
| 02:22.12 | robbiethe1st | at max, it gets moderately warm on mine |
| 02:22.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, 68days uptime |
| 02:22.27 | robbiethe1st | Like 50-60C maby, if that. Been a long time. |
| 02:22.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | since it last time shut down by overheat |
| 02:22.45 | robbiethe1st | Compressed air. |
| 02:22.47 | robbiethe1st | Works wonders |
| 02:23.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's shit dangerous, I already killed electronics of another laptop by spinning fan backwards or with way too high speed |
| 02:24.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | even simple vacuum cleaner can cause that |
| 02:24.17 | ShadowJK | almost killed a laptop once by blowing the dust into fan so that it stopped turning |
| 02:24.52 | ShadowJK | meanwhile I wake up to unresponsive desktop, because firefox has once again exhausted my puny little 8G of ram |
| 02:25.01 | ShadowJK | I should remember to pkill -STOP before sleep |
| 02:25.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, friggin firefox |
| 02:27.14 | nox- | once it was emacs now its browsers, `eight gigabytes and constantly swapping...' |
| 02:28.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | but actually, while the one firefox instance is #2 on mem usage list after Xorg, it's followed by ~20 konqueror instances that range from half of FF (=220MB) to 48MB, and in between is just Konsole, PolypAudio >:-( Konversation and soffice |
| 02:29.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | egacs? |
| 02:29.32 | nox- | now, yeah :) |
| 02:30.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway my 8GB are also used up 75%, with 12% swap used (RAM == SWAP size) |
| 02:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | PA sucks |
| 02:31.19 | ShadowJK | how much cache/buffers |
| 02:31.24 | ShadowJK | has 100M right now |
| 02:33.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | Mem: 8119428 7789356 330072 0 37352 2181628 |
| 02:33.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | -/+ buffers/cache: 5570376 2549052 |
| 02:33.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Swap: 8916068 1037932 7878136 |
| 02:33.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | still puzzling me |
| 02:35.08 | ShadowJK | so that's about 2.4gigs freeer than my system |
| 02:35.21 | ShadowJK | or more, since I have 6 gig in swap right now too |
| 02:35.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 02:35.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | wth means that +/- buffers/cache line? |
| 02:37.28 | ShadowJK | used/free |
| 02:37.32 | ShadowJK | ignoring cached disk |
| 02:38.01 | ShadowJK | which is still not entirely useful, as when exes get uncached you get issues, and swap can be cached too |
| 02:43.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 02:44.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~5570376 + 2549052 |
| 02:44.02 | infobot | 8119428 |
| 02:50.27 | khm | yikes |
| 02:50.35 | khm | I don't think I ever go above 500mb used ram |
| 02:51.45 | robbiethe1st | Mem: 7.8G 4.7G 3.1G 0B 226M 2.8G is me(free -h :P) |
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| 05:37.45 | WizardNumberNext | Mem: 7925756k total, 7048708k used, 877048k free, 486468k buffers Swap: 16777212k total, 0k used, 16777212k free, 3049048k cached |
| 05:39.12 | WizardNumberNext | mine mem usage is best, but I use firefox only for ebay and youtybe, this time I started it with two tabs and now I have one. Both were youtube, none ever changed |
| 05:39.40 | WizardNumberNext | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.57 | WizardNumberNext | ridicilous - one tab! |
| 05:40.50 | Skry | you needs w3m |
| 05:42.53 | WizardNumberNext | I think it won't play youtube |
| 05:43.21 | WizardNumberNext | I have 4 konqueror windows |
| 05:43.49 | WizardNumberNext | use PA over jack2 (192kHz/32b) |
| 05:57.22 | Skry | Chromium, 28 tabs, 1,397,744k |
| 05:59.03 | Skry | but yeah, it's madness nowadays. half of my mem broke so I currently "only" have 4GB |
| 05:59.37 | Skry | not enough |
| 06:02.27 | Skry | soo I finally got around dumping my already stripped to bone kde in favor of spectrwm and can't say I'm not satisfied |
| 06:02.27 | WizardNumberNext | it is madness, so I use konqueror |
| 06:03.09 | WizardNumberNext | fully blown kde here |
| 06:04.05 | WizardNumberNext | 9 desktops, 2 panels |
| 06:04.33 | Skry | 22 desktops, zero panels :) |
| 06:05.29 | WizardNumberNext | that must be completly different experience from kde |
| 06:07.05 | Skry | well, kwin has tiling too but generally yes |
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| 06:07.54 | Skry | I fscking hated the fact that majority of my time on this comp went fighting with windows and obscure panels and such |
| 06:08.16 | Skry | + the insane use of resources |
| 06:09.17 | WizardNumberNext | I don't care about resources - have 8GiB RAM and 6 core phenom 3.2GHz (most cores are running 800MHz any way) |
| 06:09.49 | WizardNumberNext | and RAM controller at 2.6GHz |
| 06:12.44 | WizardNumberNext | I wish to get rid of pstate1 to be able to go up with RAM to 944MHz again |
| 06:13.40 | Skry | well, when doing the exact same stuff you did 18 years ago with machine that had 2 megs of ram and 14MHz CPU, now makes my E8400 with 4GB ram feel slower, pretty much indicates that something is terribly wrong |
| 06:13.54 | WizardNumberNext | cannot get around it. |
| 06:14.01 | WizardNumberNext | ~16*236 |
| 06:14.01 | infobot | 3776 |
| 06:14.14 | WizardNumberNext | bit too much for my coller |
| 06:14.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, I commented on exactly that "18 years ago" figure recently |
| 06:14.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I attributed it to lazy coders |
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| 06:15.29 | WizardNumberNext | what you would say about coders of our times |
| 06:15.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and apps with lots of useless animation and other eyecandy, but actually less useful functions than 18 years ago |
| 06:15.59 | WizardNumberNext | they almost do not write - few more years and they would be buying soft, which would writing soft |
| 06:16.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're almost there |
| 06:16.51 | WizardNumberNext | I know - it already started |
| 06:16.58 | Skry | yeah, people are doing guis and such with python nowadays, ain't that funnay |
| 06:17.06 | WizardNumberNext | but it is not yet good enough |
| 06:17.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, qml is what I call funny |
| 06:17.38 | Skry | that one too |
| 06:18.10 | Skry | though I tend to like it, would never do anything, well, bigger with it |
| 06:18.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 06:18.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | though with qml and the like even "hello world" is kinda bigger already |
| 06:19.01 | RST38h | Win8 inspiration found: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dbeK6SItJm0/UP8BjgbhdoI/AAAAAAAAOcg/5xGfoq9FBrM/s1600/9031.jpg |
| 06:19.15 | WizardNumberNext | you always can try to write it in assembly |
| 06:19.38 | WizardNumberNext | that would be fun |
| 06:19.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | HRRHRRHRRR |
| 06:19.56 | WizardNumberNext | honestly I even cannot understand assembly yet |
| 06:20.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | now we know where that tiles came from |
| 06:20.33 | RST38h | colors and the icons style too |
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| 06:21.39 | WizardNumberNext | damn good one RST38h |
| 06:24.40 | Skry | speaking of developers, as, I now find myself watching amiga demos |
| 06:25.05 | WizardNumberNext | those were good times |
| 06:25.40 | Skry | yes, still miss my amys |
| 06:26.00 | WizardNumberNext | actually AmigaOS was one of first (if not first) preemtible OS |
| 06:26.13 | WizardNumberNext | I still want to have A4000T |
| 06:26.27 | Skry | pretty pricey nowadays |
| 06:26.28 | WizardNumberNext | with 68060+PPC |
| 06:26.38 | WizardNumberNext | yeah they aren't cheap |
| 06:27.13 | Skry | I sold my A1200+everything few years back when was forced to do so :\ |
| 06:27.24 | WizardNumberNext | but I would have to hunt for PPC with native m68k code execution - there are some of those |
| 06:27.37 | WizardNumberNext | mine simply got broken |
| 06:27.50 | WizardNumberNext | never was in good shape |
| 06:28.35 | WizardNumberNext | I have to go, working outside of London again |
| 06:29.15 | Skry | ok, have fun |
| 06:29.30 | WizardNumberNext | would try to\ |
| 06:30.20 | WizardNumberNext | yesterday we were cleaning solar panels from snow - this was fun |
| 06:30.31 | WizardNumberNext | 50 panels to clean |
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| 06:46.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | WizardNumberNext: yeah, that been awesome (preemptive workbench) |
| 06:46.55 | WizardNumberNext | it always worked |
| 06:47.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | my 2 pcs A1000 got nuked by RL disasters |
| 06:47.33 | WizardNumberNext | I am going now, see yea rawly at 18 gmt+1 |
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| 06:49.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | there been that extremely cute process monitor, which allowed to trace and tweak everything, from signals to memory allocation to priority to stdin/out redir to... |
| 06:49.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | never seen anything better |
| 06:50.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | like hyper-htop |
| 06:50.46 | RST38h | what was the name? |
| 06:50.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | stuffed with sysinternals goodies |
| 06:51.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc, RST38h |
| 06:51.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's like 20 years ago |
| 06:52.06 | RST38h | kinda hoped it were SuperDashBoard |
| 07:02.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | sysmon maybe |
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| 07:04.08 | Skry | ..maybe, all those years.. |
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| 07:58.32 | infobot | kerio is currently on #maemo #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 457 messages. Is idling for 8h 34m 12s, last said: 'khm: MAME!'. |
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| 08:24.44 | kerio | jonwil: yes? |
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| 08:26.09 | jonwil | You said something the other day about the need to clone the internet configuration stuff so that it is possible to add, edit and switch GPRS APs. Do you have any links or other further info on how this is done at the lower level (or if the lower levels even support it)? |
| 08:26.28 | jonwil | That way I know what bits of the system need to be targeted for cloning :) |
| 08:28.47 | kerio | jonwil: just the UI, i think |
| 08:28.58 | kerio | oh, and the autoconnection fucks up if you have more than one gprs connection |
| 08:29.01 | Jaffa_ | DocScrutinizer05: jonwil: chem|st: I've not noticed having a problem getting emails from TMO. All the ones from the forum<->email bridge seem to have been coming through - it's just they've been coming through as from webmaster@talk.maemo.org, rather than harmattan@talk.maemo.org or n9@talk.maemo.org |
| 08:29.08 | kerio | like, it always uses the first, or the last used |
| 08:29.09 | kerio | or something |
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| 08:29.38 | kerio | but i think that it's still a problem of UI, you can choose autoconnect settings for each IAP, iirc |
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| 08:29.44 | kerio | with gconftool |
| 08:29.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa_: yep, that's correct |
| 08:30.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno if it ever been different |
| 08:30.34 | Jaffa_ | It had, because my filters stopped working |
| 08:30.57 | jonwil | ok, sounds like I need to target libinternetsettings.so plus whatever libraries it might load or link to |
| 08:31.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually my notifications from e.g. 2011-11-01 also have webmaster@ for sender |
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| 08:31.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | "maemo.org - Talk" <webmaster@talk.maemo.org> |
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| 08:32.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is envelope-from |
| 08:32.45 | Jaffa_ | DocScrutinizer05: I'm talking about the forum<->email bridge, not just notifications |
| 08:33.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa_: sorry, what's that bridge? |
| 08:35.21 | Jaffa_ | DocScrutinizer05: It allows you to participate in the forum via push email, rather than having to use the web interface |
| 08:35.41 | Jaffa_ | Comparison messages: http://pastebin.com/7LTDFYS2 (old) vs. http://pastebin.com/jyGcviYt (new) |
| 08:35.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | is this an option in account settings? |
| 08:36.24 | Jaffa_ | DocScrutinizer05: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3829 has some background from Reggie. There's a similar thread/post somewhere on TMO |
| 08:36.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 08:37.31 | jonwil | ok, I think I know what to target now, first step I think might be to see how it decides to load the GPRS AP if you have autoconnect set |
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| 08:37.56 | jonwil | but first my N900 is almost dead, need to charge the battery :) |
| 08:38.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa_: >>From the back-end, a unique email address needs to be assigned to each enabled forum (e.g. forum-general@meego.com, forum-handset@meego.com, etc.). << |
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| 08:39.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa_: we got mail bounces when sender is not a valid receiver addr too |
| 08:39.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa_: thus chem|st created just webmaster so far, aiui |
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| 08:45.38 | jonwil | biggest problem with all this is (as usual) the total lack of documentation on the various shared libraries used by all of this (libconnui, libconnui_iapsettings, libconnui_cellular etc etc) Did I ever mention that I would give just about anything to have dev packages for those libraries? :) |
| 08:47.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa_: anyway that's clearly chem|st's domain |
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| 08:48.40 | kerio | jonwil: just RE *everything*, duh :P |
| 08:49.09 | jonwil | Those shared libraries have been giving me trouble ever since I first started N900 work :) |
| 08:49.52 | jonwil | Even x86 versions of them would help a LOT (but they dont exist) |
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| 08:57.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa_: I'm trying to discuss it with chem|st |
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| 10:30.22 | teotwaki | My face when I discover weird crontabs on the root account of one of my production servers. |
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| 10:40.51 | Skry | mixture of surprise, disgust and pure anger? |
| 10:41.44 | kerio | teotwaki: "weird"? |
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| 10:49.33 | joga | yeah, what sort of weird? |
| 10:49.41 | joga | the pwned kind? :/ |
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| 11:01.43 | teotwaki | no |
| 11:02.36 | teotwaki | the kind where the infrastructure guys installed a production crontab to backup some files, and do db maintenance on our production... on the source code (gitorious) server... |
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| 11:10.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa_: aiui chem|st claimed nothing has changed, and thedead1440 confirmed that |
| 11:10.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: I.E. mails look exactly like they did last year |
| 11:10.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa_: ^^^ |
| 11:10.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa_: that's what i've been told |
| 11:11.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 11:11.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk |
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| 11:30.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | at 11:25 UTC we enabled repo.m.o. Despite heavy initial load the rest of infra seems stable. On 11:29 page loaded |
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| 11:33.23 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why is it so slow? still akamai? |
| 11:34.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: 40k hungry N900 |
| 11:34.17 | kerio | heh |
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| 11:34.23 | kerio | i thought we decided that it wasn't going to be a problem! |
| 11:34.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | not under normal conditions |
| 11:34.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | we synced them with our downtime |
| 11:35.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | now all 40k are hungry |
| 11:35.06 | kerio | how did we do that? does HAM retry more often if the repos are down? |
| 11:35.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | possible |
| 11:35.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway we'll watch the situation |
| 11:35.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a day at least |
| 11:36.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | most amazing: rest of infra stays stable, even fast |
| 11:36.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | despite virtual channel to repo maxed out |
| 11:37.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | FW throttling to shape traffic |
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| 11:54.21 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do we have a nice page with cute graphs of the load and traffic? |
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| 11:55.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet somebody has. not me though |
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| 12:17.14 | merlin1991 | hehe I should check if ham supports pdiffs and if yes this should be a #1 priority for our new sysadmins to set up |
| 12:17.30 | merlin1991 | the extras-devel packages file is just too huge |
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| 12:52.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaaaand everything down again |
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| 13:05.15 | warfare | DocScrutinizer05: Anyway I can help? |
| 13:15.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: we're facing quite spooky issues with the firewall |
| 13:16.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | goes down after 90min of flawlessly handling max load |
| 13:16.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | rebooted FW, back to normal |
| 13:17.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 13:17.36 | kerio | i was going to say "holy crap it's blazing fast now" but it was just the cache :( |
| 13:17.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, it's fast now again |
| 13:18.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | just repo probably down now again |
| 13:20.52 | xes | DocScrutinizer: fw is virtual ..isn't it? |
| 13:21.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 13:21.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | endian |
| 13:21.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually repo isn't down |
| 13:22.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe we just need a cronjob to reboot the FW every 60 min ;-P |
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| 13:22.40 | xes | xen can emulate the network interface with various harware types...often vm kernel support is not of the same idea |
| 13:23.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll forward it like this |
| 13:23.59 | xes | changing kind of emulation could ensure stability with some kernel |
| 13:24.33 | xes | if remember well, inside the vm there is an lts 12.04.. |
| 13:24.37 | warfare | DocScrutinizer05: What Firewall are you using? |
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| 13:24.57 | warfare | Just Linux/iptables? Or something custom? |
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| 13:25.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | Endian (community edition) - I heard |
| 13:26.24 | warfare | And this is virtualized on xen? |
| 13:26.52 | warfare | Full virtualization or para? |
| 13:26.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.endian.com/en/community/ |
| 13:27.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, virtualized on xen-grid |
| 13:28.26 | warfare | Sounds like the machine is running out of conntrack entries. |
| 13:30.52 | xes | statistacally talking: one firewall distro maybe already has this kind of optimizations |
| 13:31.16 | warfare | Can someone run " sysctl net.ipv4.netfilter.ip_conntrack_max" on this machine? |
| 13:31.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's already been tuned |
| 13:31.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | mompls |
| 13:32.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, not yet |
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| 13:39.03 | warfare | not tuned or not back up yet? ;) |
| 13:39.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | not tuned |
| 13:39.42 | jonwil | ok, time to see about cloning libinternetsettings.so :) |
| 13:40.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk |
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| 14:03.16 | thedead1440 | doesn't understand why some people believe maemo.org domain must be changed to welcome new OSes... |
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| 14:06.15 | khm | thedead1440: I have the same confusion |
| 14:06.17 | jonwil | is wiki.maemo.org supposed to be slow right now? |
| 14:07.13 | thedead1440 | khm: some people these days on TMO feel everything that is new must be given priority and everything else just ignored... A radical and foolish train of thought actually... |
| 14:07.35 | khm | yeah, speaking as an n810 owner, I know the feeling |
| 14:08.48 | thedead1440 | well at least that was within the same maemo devices; now its on 3rd-party OSes that don't even have a single commercially available devices... The n810 thing happened to n900 when n9 first came in but things stabilize themselves a few months later as they have now |
| 14:09.35 | khm | right |
| 14:09.43 | khm | I've got all three devices; I know the story |
| 14:09.50 | thedead1440 | :) |
| 14:09.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders what stops those people from registering acmenewfutureforme.com and simply run their own forum instead of pushing renames of the existing one. Do those folks plan to hijack the rest of us? |
| 14:09.57 | freemangordon | thedead1440: I disagree that n9 the same thing to n900 as n900 to n810 |
| 14:10.18 | khm | freemangordon: the common thread is mer |
| 14:10.27 | khm | mer is a new n810 os! I mean n900 os! I mean n9 os! |
| 14:10.32 | thedead1440 | freemangordon: i meant it as in the way the forums were flooded; device closeness well we all know its not a point-for-point replica |
| 14:10.50 | freemangordon | khm: :nod: |
| 14:10.52 | khm | but yeah, the older devices get lost in the noise for a while when the new shiny comes out |
| 14:10.59 | khm | but they recover |
| 14:11.27 | jonwil | ok, wiki.maemo.org seems to be down completly now |
| 14:11.33 | freemangordon | thedead1440: aah, I see. But it was not n90, but all the hype around Meego |
| 14:11.38 | jonwil | oh wait no its just acting wierd |
| 14:11.46 | freemangordon | jonwil: it is just slow |
| 14:11.53 | jonwil | ok |
| 14:12.03 | freemangordon | the same for garage and such |
| 14:12.09 | thedead1440 | freemangordon: something like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1316898&postcount=21 |
| 14:12.34 | freemangordon | thedead1440: yeah, i read that |
| 14:12.50 | khm | who is going to pay for being the sailfish/plasma/ubuntu "hub" |
| 14:13.03 | thedead1440 | it just doesn't make sense even more so when it comes from people who have been around for much longer |
| 14:13.03 | khm | also ubuntu already has a fairly massive and overfunded community infrastructure |
| 14:13.03 | freemangordon | the same was in meego times "maemo is dead, don;t waste your time" |
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| 14:15.06 | thedead1440 | freemangordon: read abit on the Maemo/MeeGo thing; well we all know how that turned out :D |
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| 14:52.23 | ShadowJK | I think N900 activity always remained strong despite N9, maybe not so for N810. In a way, N900 was a very compelling upgrade to N810 |
| 14:53.44 | khm | ShadowJK: the n900 was a "better n810", but all it really added was phone and faster hardware |
| 14:54.05 | khm | the n810 is still a great machine. I have one I take with me often and one mounted to the dashboard of my motorcycle |
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| 15:09.06 | ShadowJK | Smaller screen though |
| 15:09.14 | RST38h | moos |
| 15:10.16 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Ever encountered situation where N900 battery suddenly registers as dead, the phone starts complaining, etc. Once I quit everything, lock it, and place it in my pocket, the battery goes back to "good" (50%) state after 15 minutes or so |
| 15:10.28 | ShadowJK | +Vastly improved perf, -smaller screen, +touch sensitivity, -no tablet-only version, +phonefunctionality |
| 15:10.42 | RST38h | The batterygraph shows current (but not voltage) suddenly jumping all the way down |
| 15:11.34 | ShadowJK | RST38h; sounds like a really really worn battery |
| 15:12.20 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Ah, thought so |
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| 15:14.38 | ShadowJK | Unfortunately the batterygraph current is derviced from consecutive capacity measurements. The capacity measurements by bme is roughly "make rough guess based on voltage and preprogrammed voltage-to-capacity curve, add/subtract capacity based on measured current, if capacity/voltage deviates too much from curve, do big step-adjustment of capacity" |
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| 15:15.35 | ShadowJK | So basically what I think is happening is that the load of screen on pulls vooltage so low that bme does a big step-adjustment. Batterygraph interprets that as massive sudden drain. |
| 15:17.01 | ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar this is my bq27200.sh script. Be root via rootsh's "root" command, wget that file, tar -xf it, "./bq27200sh 5" (not compatible with kernelcharging or battery modules in powerkernel) |
| 15:18.04 | ShadowJK | columns are: time, voltage, charge percent, charge percent, charge in mAh, same, same, time to full, time to empty, temperature |
| 15:18.49 | ShadowJK | oh shit I forgot a column |
| 15:19.38 | RST38h | ShadowJK: ah, I should have checked the capacity reading |
| 15:19.54 | ShadowJK | there's "mA" between percentage and mAh.. shows current consumption (if negative) or current charge rate (if positive) |
| 15:20.04 | ShadowJK | It's not necessarily correct. |
| 15:20.32 | RST38h | wonders if he can still buy the original nokia battery somewhere |
| 15:20.58 | kerio | RST38h: bl-5js are used in a bunch of models |
| 15:20.58 | ShadowJK | Especially if battery is in poor health, it'll have massively different effective capacity between idling to empty or active use to empty |
| 15:21.06 | RST38h | Nokia Store has been shattered, it is not an empty room covered with Samsung ads |
| 15:21.13 | kerio | and the more recent original ones are ~1400mAh |
| 15:21.13 | RST38h | s/not/now |
| 15:22.00 | ShadowJK | Nokia even buffed the capacity of BL-5J, the recent original Nokia ones are 1440+ mAh (never saw more than 1250 from the old originals) |
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| 15:22.24 | kerio | on aliexpress there's a bl-5j that holds 1600mAh, according to vi____ |
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| 15:24.46 | dimir | omg it's up |
| 15:24.58 | dimir | RMO |
| 15:25.11 | warfare | for how long? |
| 15:25.24 | dimir | well, last time I checked half an hour ago it was down. |
| 15:25.26 | dimir | Now it's up. |
| 15:25.38 | dimir | Ah, down again. :-D |
| 15:25.43 | warfare | It was up earlier until the firewall crashed ;) |
| 15:25.44 | ShadowJK | Anyway, as for judging battery health.. press enter to put a mark in the output, screen on / screen off 30s each, take most stable looking reading from both. take the difference in mV between the two, divided by 1000, divide that by the difference between the two mA readings also divided by 1000. If > .5: weak-ish, >1: bad, replace >2: worthless |
| 15:25.50 | dimir | But I got it's main page, I swear. :-D |
| 15:25.54 | dimir | Once. :-D |
| 15:25.57 | RST38h | Complicated =) |
| 15:25.59 | RST38h | Thanks! |
| 15:26.24 | ShadowJK | speedevil has a script somewhere that does this automatically and averages several readings.. |
| 15:27.24 | SpeedEvil | ohm.sh |
| 15:27.34 | ShadowJK | RST38h; it's basically " does voltage change alot when load changes" |
| 15:27.34 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea where it might e |
| 15:27.35 | SpeedEvil | be |
| 15:28.54 | RST38h | ShadowJK: which basically means "internal resistance went up: |
| 15:28.56 | RST38h | " |
| 15:29.26 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 15:29.52 | ShadowJK | .5 is point I'd replace at myself |
| 15:30.22 | ShadowJK | I did use a .7-.9 (started out much better) on my previous N900 |
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| 16:05.48 | myname24 | Hi , i asked a question about accuweather for N900 but no one replied on TMO . Did they release it ? |
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| 16:13.51 | teotwaki | myname24: when did you ask the question? |
| 16:16.23 | myname24 | An hour ago on an old thread . But a simple answer is enough yes or no ? |
| 16:17.36 | myname24 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51249 |
| 16:18.37 | teotwaki | myname24: why do you assume everyone knows the answer |
| 16:20.29 | teotwaki | and technically speaking, you did get a reply :) Even though it's off topic |
| 16:21.35 | myname24 | Just off topic :) |
| 16:23.09 | myname24 | So do you have an answer for me ? |
| 16:23.15 | teotwaki | myname24: I don't believe it was ever released |
| 16:23.48 | kerio | hm, RMO is quite fast now |
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| 16:26.27 | myname24 | Thanks for your answer :) same old story like flash 10 |
| 16:26.32 | kerio | i spoke too soon :( |
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| 16:30.57 | myname24 | And also the same story of flash 10 because it's available in the unreleased repo :) |
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| 17:32.32 | kgu | repository.maemo.org is online again? |
| 17:32.55 | kerio | kgu: kinda |
| 17:32.59 | kerio | still slow |
| 17:33.10 | Sc0rpius | that means the builder eventually will come back :) |
| 17:33.23 | kerio | connecting with apt fails, for me |
| 17:33.26 | kerio | :c |
| 17:33.43 | kgu | me too |
| 17:33.46 | Sc0rpius | http://maemo.org doesn't work though |
| 17:34.01 | Sc0rpius | wiki.maemo.org down too |
| 17:34.21 | kerio | yeah, the whole firewall is hammered, or something |
| 17:34.44 | kgu | ok, guess it is quite busy atm |
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| 17:37.14 | kgu | do we know what firewall it is behind? |
| 17:46.52 | kgu | How come I see this message with apt-get update: "Unable to connect to repository.maemo.org http: [IP: 178.33.236.141 80]" |
| 17:47.04 | kgu | repository.maemo.org is 188.117.59.205 |
| 17:48.02 | kerio | Could not connect to repository.maemo.org:80 (188.117.59.205) |
| 17:48.06 | kerio | Unable to connect to repository.maemo.org http: [IP: 188.40.39.11 80] |
| 17:48.10 | kerio | what the fuck, apt |
| 17:48.11 | kerio | what the fuck |
| 17:49.04 | kgu | hmm, wonder if there is still some DNS-issues |
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| 17:49.22 | merlin1991 | kerio: wtf |
| 17:49.26 | merlin1991 | 188.40.39.11 is my server |
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| 17:49.43 | kerio | then i guess that apt sucks at error messages |
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| 18:11.57 | khm | hosts file? dns caching? |
| 18:15.21 | kgu | hosts file is clean. Even tried to add '188.117.59.205 repository.maemo.org' in hosts file, but still see the same error message |
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| 18:16.56 | khm | bizarre |
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| 18:30.53 | warfare | DocScrutinizer05: Still firewall issues? |
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| 18:33.33 | Luke-Jr | so not a single BL-5J at any of the 3 phone stores downtown |
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| 18:43.42 | r00t|home | Luke-Jr: ebay has lots of them |
| 18:43.56 | Luke-Jr | r00t|home: and they're probably all fake, used, or both |
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| 18:51.30 | r00t|home | Luke-Jr: well, i bought all mine as new from german auctions... for ~3eur w/ shipping each |
| 18:51.48 | r00t|home | Luke-Jr: but even the "oem" ones from china are better than none |
| 18:54.19 | merlin1991 | hm I got mine from the nokia care point here :D |
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| 18:54.53 | kgu | What is the ~lifetime for BL-5J? |
| 18:59.09 | sixwheeledbeast | Luke-Jr: Have you looked at the Polarcell on Ebay? |
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| 19:03.54 | sixwheeledbeast | kgu: Li-ion batteries are said to lose ~20% capacity p/a |
| 19:05.17 | sixwheeledbeast | worst case scenario. |
| 19:05.28 | kgu | ok, guess I have 40% left then :) |
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| 19:19.26 | tommis | someone said repo will be back in shortly |
| 19:19.41 | tommis | i know shit is hard but fuck |
| 19:20.06 | tommis | anyone knows about any reliable mirrors? |
| 19:20.28 | tommis | i just want my drnoknes to test my gamegripper thingy |
| 19:20.46 | kerio | tommis: if you need extras-devel, http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/extras-devel-light.install |
| 19:20.51 | kerio | and disable the standard extras-devel |
| 19:20.53 | kerio | this one is much better |
| 19:21.28 | tommis | i don't know what do i need to do? |
| 19:21.34 | kerio | open that link on the n900 :) |
| 19:21.37 | tommis | k |
| 19:21.44 | tommis | n900 package system is weird |
| 19:21.52 | kerio | or add deb http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ fremantle free non-free to your sources.list |
| 19:21.57 | kerio | it's just apt |
| 19:22.01 | kerio | with a crappy GUI |
| 19:22.45 | WizardNumberNext | I cannot seem to get wiki.maemo.org loaded. Is it working at the moment? |
| 19:23.15 | tommis | doesn't respond to ping here |
| 19:24.26 | sixwheeledbeast | working but ... slow |
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| 19:58.56 | merlin1991 | it's funny how tmo works flawlessly while wiki repos and friends suck |
| 20:05.00 | kgu | they are on two different servers, right? |
| 20:06.22 | kerio | yeah, two different everythings |
| 20:07.47 | merlin1991 | kerio: afaik tmo moved into the xen-vm mess |
| 20:07.54 | merlin1991 | so it is not anymore on a different server perse |
| 20:10.39 | kgu | Are there any non-peak hours for traffic towards repos? |
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| 20:16.33 | merlin1991 | dunno |
| 20:16.46 | kerio | DocScrutinizer is convinced that it's the 40k n900s updating at the same time |
| 20:16.47 | merlin1991 | but if you only need extras-devel there are mirrors out there (for cssu too) |
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| 20:20.29 | kgu | kerio: They do update at the same time? |
| 20:20.35 | kerio | i don't think so |
| 20:20.38 | kerio | that's why i think it's weird |
| 20:20.59 | sixwheeledbeast | I can't see how, surely they are all set to different times |
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| 20:22.36 | kgu | is it possible to see when the update on a n900 is scheduled? |
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| 20:24.06 | kerio | kgu: install alarmclient |
| 20:24.49 | teotwaki_ | wouldn't it be more efficient to see how many connections are being made? |
| 20:25.09 | teotwaki_ | so DocScrutinizer believes the server is getting ddos'd? |
| 20:26.18 | sixwheeledbeast | kgu: Mine is 19:21:45 |
| 20:26.42 | kgu | sixwheeledbeast: daily? |
| 20:26.43 | kerio | mine is january 20th, 2018 |
| 20:26.50 | kerio | because fuck HAM |
| 20:26.54 | sixwheeledbeast | /var/cachealarmd/alarm_queue.ini |
| 20:27.08 | sixwheeledbeast | */var/cache/alarmd |
| 20:27.23 | sixwheeledbeast | daily = 86400 seconds |
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| 20:30.06 | kgu | sixwheeledbeast: ok, but guess it is 86400 seconds from last run, so don't think the 40k n900s will update at the same time |
| 20:30.31 | sixwheeledbeast | exactly |
| 20:30.42 | kgu | is 40k n900s all there is? |
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| 20:31.36 | teotwaki_ | 40k that update. |
| 20:31.40 | teotwaki_ | Roughly 100k sold. |
| 20:31.47 | sixwheeledbeast | kgu: in the queue file I have the first apt-get in unix time |
| 20:32.31 | sixwheeledbeast | this was back in 2010, so every 86400 second after this at 19:21 |
| 20:33.25 | kgu | teotwaki_: ok, we are the chosen onces ;) |
| 20:37.27 | sixwheeledbeast | come to think of it, this will make high and low traffic times. |
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| 20:38.31 | kgu | sixwheeledbeast: how? |
| 20:39.46 | kerio | sixwheeledbeast: every manual refresh resets the timer, mind you |
| 20:40.03 | sixwheeledbeast | if it's calculated from first update after a reflash, there's periods were USA/Europe are both asleep |
| 20:40.07 | sixwheeledbeast | for example |
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| 20:42.02 | teotwaki_ | afz: heya |
| 20:42.26 | afz | yup |
| 20:42.49 | kgu | well, a lot of us geeks are also awake at night, and reflash at night, so guees it will equal out |
| 20:43.36 | merlin1991 | kgu: exactly, can't remember when I last reflashed while there was still daylight :D |
| 20:43.48 | kgu | heh |
| 20:45.17 | kgu | Who runs the firewalls? |
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| 20:46.21 | kgu | and are there any hw-loadbalancers? |
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| 20:47.38 | warfare | kgu: Firewall is an "endian" firewall on xen, and I don't think there are loadbalancers in place. |
| 20:49.17 | kgu | so it is all software based? |
| 20:49.27 | merlin1991 | afaik yes |
| 20:50.01 | kgu | and repos is only located on one server? |
| 20:51.06 | warfare | Should be possible with fast disks and fast server software (nginx, the like) |
| 20:51.40 | kgu | Yes, you are right - it should be able to handle this amount of traffic |
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| 20:52.23 | kgu | sixwheeledbeast: Do you remember how to change to update interval? |
| 20:52.35 | merlin1991 | is happy that there aren't that many cssu-thumb users |
| 20:52.50 | teotwaki_ | warfare: there's limited finance. |
| 20:53.05 | kgu | merlin1991: How many users do you have? |
| 20:53.27 | merlin1991 | last time I checked cssu-thumb had about 800 users |
| 20:53.28 | warfare | teotwaki_: and probably limited time. |
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| 20:53.41 | merlin1991 | but that was about 2 months back iirc |
| 20:55.15 | kgu | That's also quite a bounch of geeks ;) Can you really feel that the n900 is faster on thumb? Or is it only better memory footprint? |
| 20:55.33 | merlin1991 | ~thumb |
| 20:55.33 | infobot | Configurable image directory thumbnail viewer. URL: http://www.datrix.co.za/thumb/ |
| 20:55.36 | merlin1991 | arf |
| 20:55.40 | merlin1991 | ~cssu-thumb |
| 20:55.40 | infobot | somebody said cssu-thumb was <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 |
| 20:55.53 | kerio | infobot: #maemo thumb is <reply>see cssu-thumb |
| 20:55.53 | infobot | okay, kerio |
| 20:55.58 | kerio | ~thumb |
| 20:55.58 | infobot | hmm... cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 |
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| 20:56.28 | merlin1991 | kgu: it's really hard to determine how many unique clients the repo has though, it measured it by counting the distinct downloads for the metapackge once a release was out |
| 20:56.43 | merlin1991 | s/it m/i m/ |
| 20:57.43 | sixwheeledbeast | kgu: "recur_secs" in alarm_queue.ini ? |
| 20:57.51 | kgu | ok, so it is memory footprint improvements |
| 20:58.42 | kgu | sixwheeledbeast: Oh, dont have alarmclient, though I could change it another way |
| 20:58.47 | sixwheeledbeast | kgu: don't know if it's a good idea to edit the queue manually tho. |
| 20:59.11 | kerio | it's not |
| 20:59.13 | kerio | install alarmclient |
| 20:59.26 | kgu | sixwheeledbeast: ok thx, I will wait for the repos to come back |
| 20:59.29 | kerio | besides, that .ini is just to store the alarms between reboots |
| 20:59.32 | kerio | alarmd keeps stuff in memory |
| 20:59.48 | kerio | kgu: my alarmclient is from cssu-testing |
| 20:59.58 | kerio | plenty of mirrors of that |
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| 21:03.05 | sixwheeledbeast | kgu: gconf /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval |
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| 21:06.44 | Pali | Servers http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/ and http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ are down |
| 21:06.49 | Pali | Diablo SSU not working and also site with FIASCO images too |
| 21:07.40 | kerio | oh shit, the second is *bad* |
| 21:07.46 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: halp |
| 21:09.12 | Pali | I think both are akamai |
| 21:09.22 | Pali | so downloads.maemo.nokia.com will be next |
| 21:09.25 | kerio | the first one works for me |
| 21:09.33 | kerio | at least, something answers |
| 21:09.41 | kerio | oh, the second one too |
| 21:09.44 | kerio | but it's still akamai |
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| 21:09.52 | Pali | kerio: Service Unavailable - DNS failure |
| 21:10.01 | Pali | The server is temporarily unable to service your request. Please try again later. |
| 21:10.05 | Pali | Reference #11.24ed3e17.1358975376.643a2db3 |
| 21:10.19 | Pali | when I refresh it generate another reference id |
| 21:11.12 | Pali | downloads.maemo.nokia.com will be next will be next, so we do not need to deal with GPG keys |
| 21:11.27 | Pali | servers will be down before any GPG key update... |
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| 21:13.19 | Pali | everybody backup what you can |
| 21:13.31 | Pali | I updated lists of maemo repositories on: https://wiki.maemo.org/Apt-mirror |
| 21:13.44 | Pali | now fremantle+harmattan should be complete |
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| 21:14.43 | warfare | Pali: That's the error when akamai can't reach its origin servers. |
| 21:15.08 | Pali | so servers are down |
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| 21:17.20 | warfare | So typical. I get a N900 on monday and all infrastructure goes down. |
| 21:18.16 | kerio | warfare: :( |
| 21:18.55 | warfare | kerio: could be worse: there could be no mirrors. |
| 21:18.55 | merlin1991 | warfare: enough mirrors around to still keep rolling |
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| 21:22.28 | Pali | merlin1991, freemangordon, jonwil: if you want to hack harmattan mce with some my diablo/fremantle patches I can publish my git tree |
| 21:23.25 | Pali | what is needed: 1) add osso-systemui support to mce (powermenukey, devlock, modechange) and 2) write accelerometer plugin 3) fix/clean jonwil's vibrator plugin |
| 21:24.10 | Pali | what we have is source code of diablo mce which has some systemui code (but is old not for fremantle) |
| 21:24.38 | Pali | but now when we have oss powermenukey it could be easier to connect it to mce |
| 21:25.02 | Pali | my current git repo compile all needed binaries without warnings/errors |
| 21:26.33 | Pali | to implement devlock it is needed to write header file (or RE or understand) libdevlock and libcodelock libraries |
| 21:26.51 | Pali | both packages have i386 version |
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| 21:27.38 | Pali | and some old code (lock code without DES which was in fremantle PR1.0) is in diablo mce |
| 21:27.38 | FIQ | hmmmm just curious |
| 21:27.55 | FIQ | now that stuff is moved to be hosted by community? |
| 21:27.55 | Pali | so I think this can be reused for libdevlock |
| 21:28.10 | Pali | let me know if somebody want git repo for hacking |
| 21:28.12 | FIQ | wont it break system updating by pc suite *completely*? |
| 21:28.50 | FIQ | scratch questionmark in my second line lol |
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| 21:29.10 | Pali | FIQ, if nokia turn off servers for pc suite, then it will not work |
| 21:29.22 | warfare | merlin1991: I can provide another mirror, if necessary. |
| 21:29.29 | Pali | merlin1991, freemangordon, jonwil, look ^^^^^ |
| 21:29.34 | elros34__ | hello, Does anybody have libqt4-dev from: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/libqt4-dev-arm - armel version to n900? |
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| 21:30.00 | Pali | ping romaxa |
| 21:31.47 | FIQ | uh |
| 21:32.18 | FIQ | the . (left arrow in en keymap) key has started to fail... |
| 21:33.09 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, did you got my email about non working garage? |
| 21:37.41 | Pali | kerio, is http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/ working on your ip? |
| 21:37.53 | kerio | nope |
| 21:38.13 | Pali | now I found 4 new repositores here :-( |
| 21:38.16 | Pali | which was not backedup |
| 21:38.23 | Pali | because I did not add it to wiki |
| 21:38.32 | FIQ | what did they host? |
| 21:38.53 | Pali | diablo-1-8346734-TRUE diablo-3 diablo-testing |
| 21:39.15 | FIQ | so basically n8xx repos are gone? |
| 21:39.27 | Pali | deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/ <name> ./ |
| 21:39.30 | Pali | yes |
| 21:39.34 | kerio | all of them? :O |
| 21:39.47 | FIQ | ouch |
| 21:39.49 | Pali | hm, seems that here is maemo mirror: http://repository.maemo.org/catalogue/updates/ |
| 21:40.09 | Pali | seems like rmo/c is mirror of that |
| 21:40.15 | Pali | I will update wiki |
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| 22:00.39 | Pali | wiki is slooooow |
| 22:01.03 | FIQ | at least I can now look at cssu changelog |
| 22:01.17 | FIQ | in an organized place |
| 22:02.21 | merlin1991 | :D |
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| 22:02.35 | Pali | merlin1991, do you have space on server for backup? |
| 22:02.44 | merlin1991 | Pali: run df -h |
| 22:03.06 | Pali | seems yes :-) |
| 22:03.15 | Pali | I will mirror above repositories |
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| 22:11.04 | Pali | BROADCAST: I updated wiki page https://wiki.maemo.org/Apt-mirror for diablo & chinook PLEASE backup needed new repositories |
| 22:15.08 | WizardNumberNext | two questions: |
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| 22:16.03 | WizardNumberNext | 1. what do I have to do to migrate cssu-stable -> cssu-thumb (in anything apart from changing repos) |
| 22:16.45 | Pali | WizardNumberNext, only click on thumb install file |
| 22:16.54 | WizardNumberNext | 2. can I create private mirror of RMO? I am unable to make it public at the moment, if I can. |
| 22:17.09 | WizardNumberNext | Pali, where's that one |
| 22:17.22 | WizardNumberNext | and anyway I cannot access RMO at the moment |
| 22:17.32 | WizardNumberNext | tried multiple times in last hour |
| 22:18.04 | Pali | look here for thumb: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829 |
| 22:18.31 | Pali | WizardNumberNext, yes you can create mirror of any apt maemo repositories |
| 22:18.43 | Pali | read that wiki page how to configure apt-mirror for that |
| 22:18.52 | FIQ | hmmmmm |
| 22:19.07 | WizardNumberNext | Pali, again link ould save me time, thanks |
| 22:19.37 | Pali | see BROADCAST message in irc ^^^^^ |
| 22:22.49 | WizardNumberNext | true |
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| 22:33.43 | grummund | hi all |
| 22:34.43 | grummund | i have an n900 charging via nokia dc psu and a CA-146C adaptor... |
| 22:35.05 | grummund | but via usb cable to a Win XP PC it does not charge |
| 22:35.12 | grummund | any ideas? |
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| 22:36.45 | pewter_tao | any idea how to get the local email drafts to sync? I'm using the default email client on maemo/n900 |
| 22:38.33 | WizardNumberNext | grummund I had such problem, while I was using CA-146C |
| 22:38.45 | WizardNumberNext | and bad quality USB data cable |
| 22:38.55 | FIQ | hmm, repositories seems back online? allbeit being a bit slow |
| 22:39.23 | WizardNumberNext | get yourself original DATA cable (CA-101D) |
| 22:39.30 | grummund | WizardNumberNext: i mean with the CA-146C it works |
| 22:39.43 | grummund | but USB to PC it does not charge |
| 22:40.08 | grummund | so i can charge from the mains but not from PC, does that make sense? |
| 22:40.10 | WizardNumberNext | I know - it is surprising, but I had exactly same situation - CA-146C worked, but data cable didn't charge |
| 22:40.15 | grummund | hmm |
| 22:40.16 | WizardNumberNext | only data on it |
| 22:41.22 | WizardNumberNext | if you can - get yourself original AC-10X Nokia walcharger - that is working just perfectly |
| 22:41.50 | grummund | it was charging to another PC but not with this one. :/ |
| 22:42.23 | WizardNumberNext | as soon as I got it (AC-10X) and data cable (CA-101D) it started to work from data cable as well - it does charge now from data cable |
| 22:42.30 | WizardNumberNext | but that is original |
| 22:42.53 | grummund | how can a usb cable be special? |
| 22:43.14 | WizardNumberNext | try waiting few seconds, before you will make choice for device on nokia |
| 22:43.38 | WizardNumberNext | it is ordinary usb cable, but it definitely working one |
| 22:43.46 | WizardNumberNext | most usb cables are crap |
| 22:43.59 | grummund | but there is no popup to choose from (i think i have that disabled in XP) |
| 22:44.24 | WizardNumberNext | same with chargers - you get some original and it works, you try some cheap rubbish and it doesn't |
| 22:44.58 | WizardNumberNext | no, I mean on nokia itself - ity should ask you if you want to use it as usb storage or pc suite |
| 22:45.11 | grummund | ah, yeah i see what you mean |
| 22:45.13 | WizardNumberNext | both works same in terms of charging |
| 22:45.21 | grummund | it usually does that but not on this PC |
| 22:45.44 | WizardNumberNext | just don't switch immediately - give USB host time to settle down with new devic |
| 22:46.32 | WizardNumberNext | then you have either broken data wires in cable or broken host |
| 22:46.38 | grummund | neither pc or n900 give any indication that a usb connection has been made |
| 22:46.57 | WizardNumberNext | I mean the pins in usb socket might go bad or hardware is damaged |
| 22:47.16 | WizardNumberNext | there is problem with data somewhere |
| 22:47.55 | WizardNumberNext | CA-146C have data wires connected and that is reason why it charges |
| 22:48.12 | grummund | hmm, the n900 was connecting to another pc as mass storage, and charging fine. |
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| 22:48.28 | WizardNumberNext | if n900 cannot see either host on other side of cable or data cables connected, then it allows only 100mA |
| 22:48.51 | WizardNumberNext | because, before enumeration you cannot take more from any usb port |
| 22:48.59 | grummund | i see |
| 22:49.05 | WizardNumberNext | after enumeration you can draw 500mA |
| 22:49.24 | grummund | so does the CA-146C have +/- data pins shorted? |
| 22:49.37 | WizardNumberNext | so it is either cable or USB socket or hardware or OS, which doesn't work properly |
| 22:49.52 | WizardNumberNext | afaik not exactly shorted |
| 22:49.58 | WizardNumberNext | but they are connected |
| 22:50.07 | grummund | maybe XP needs a driver installed? the working PC was Win 7. |
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| 22:51.06 | grummund | should carry a spare battery really. |
| 22:51.18 | grummund | too easy to be caught out. |
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| 22:52.06 | WizardNumberNext | not exactly - USB enumeration is OS independend - as long as USB hub on host is running it would enumerate |
| 22:52.35 | WizardNumberNext | you do not to load driver for it - all you need is enumeration, which even BIOS of our days can do |
| 22:52.51 | WizardNumberNext | my N900 charges happily under BIOS |
| 22:53.16 | WizardNumberNext | I had 5 spare batteries |
| 22:53.21 | WizardNumberNext | now I have 4 spare |
| 22:53.30 | WizardNumberNext | one got top snipped off |
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| 22:57.04 | grummund | just tried with same cable in a Linux PC and still no joy. |
| 22:57.50 | grummund | heh. what happened to the battery? |
| 23:00.42 | WizardNumberNext | the top plastic bit simply fell off |
| 23:00.51 | WizardNumberNext | cable is bad |
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| 23:01.58 | grummund | could be the cable but i noly have the one here to test. |
| 23:02.09 | grummund | will try again tomorrow |
| 23:02.31 | grummund | thanks for the help WizardNumberNext |
| 23:03.11 | WizardNumberNext | there big possibility it is cable's fault |
| 23:03.43 | WizardNumberNext | if you have some wallcharger which have usb socket, then try it out and see if charges |
| 23:03.46 | grummund | it was a different cable on the working PC so yeah. |
| 23:04.01 | WizardNumberNext | that explains a lot |
| 23:04.12 | grummund | i just grabbed a new cable from the box (still in sealed bag) |
| 23:04.55 | WizardNumberNext | they differ greatly in quality - some are really good - some are crap |
| 23:05.13 | WizardNumberNext | from experience - most are crap |
| 23:05.15 | grummund | well these were CHEAP. :-P |
| 23:05.30 | grummund | and we have a box of 20 :p |
| 23:05.39 | WizardNumberNext | I have something like 5 USB cables for N95 and only works on EHCI |
| 23:06.06 | WizardNumberNext | I have USB wireless cards and only original N95 cable makes it working properly |
| 23:06.26 | WizardNumberNext | other drops wireless card to OHCI 12mbps |
| 23:07.36 | WizardNumberNext | I bet I would see 20 brand new USB cables on eBay soon |
| 23:08.24 | grummund | :D |
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| 23:21.58 | jacekowski | WizardNumberNext: enumeration will not happen without os running |
| 23:22.34 | WizardNumberNext | jacekowski - wrong - it happens on BIOS |
| 23:22.38 | WizardNumberNext | as well |
| 23:23.10 | WizardNumberNext | I see my mouse, my bluetooth and my card reader in bios and I even have booted of card reader |
| 23:23.47 | WizardNumberNext | as soon as you would initialize USB properly it would enumerate and it doesn't need any OS for it |
| 23:23.47 | jacekowski | well, OS was wrong word |
| 23:24.03 | jacekowski | it does need some kind of driver software |
| 23:24.08 | WizardNumberNext | I got my N900 enumerated on switched off computer! |
| 23:24.14 | jacekowski | BS |
| 23:24.38 | WizardNumberNext | I had USB powered from 5VSB |
| 23:24.49 | merlin1991 | jacekowski: there are those weird off charge boards that do some crap even if "turned off" but under power |
| 23:24.54 | r00t|home | jacekowski: well, many PCs support power up via key on usb keyboard, so they have to keep devices powered |
| 23:25.12 | r00t|home | and enumerated |
| 23:26.25 | WizardNumberNext | as long as you would give power to initialized USB host it would enumerate |
| 23:26.37 | jacekowski | no |
| 23:26.42 | WizardNumberNext | yes |
| 23:26.51 | jacekowski | if you plug in a device it will send events up to the root hub |
| 23:26.59 | jacekowski | and then to host controller |
| 23:27.01 | WizardNumberNext | it is done by hardware |
| 23:27.05 | jacekowski | no it's not |
| 23:27.54 | WizardNumberNext | ok, I know there only one hardware solution right now - it is called CPU and even CPU have soft, which runs soft |
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| 23:28.10 | jacekowski | hub.c in linux kernel source code |
| 23:28.12 | WizardNumberNext | so at the moment there is no real hardware as such |
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| 23:28.56 | WizardNumberNext | ok, should I remove RAM and flash from my motherboard and try to enumarate some devices? |
| 23:29.15 | WizardNumberNext | there would be no soft then |
| 23:29.22 | WizardNumberNext | I can even remove CPU |
| 23:29.28 | WizardNumberNext | still does it |
| 23:29.35 | jacekowski | well, some motherboards have weird platform controllers |
| 23:30.05 | jacekowski | that handle USB stack when main cpu is not running |
| 23:30.10 | WizardNumberNext | I know, because it was annoying me, when I was putting my PC back together after both RAM and CPU upgrade |
| 23:30.31 | WizardNumberNext | and I was swapping flash as well, because I made upgrade |
| 23:30.50 | jacekowski | but as such, USB host controller depends fully on software |
| 23:30.52 | WizardNumberNext | some - now most |
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| 23:31.21 | WizardNumberNext | that was biggest part of whole innovation - it did a lot in hardware |
| 23:31.34 | jacekowski | but in first place it's against ATX spec |
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| 23:31.51 | jacekowski | 5vsb is not supposed to be used to power any external devices |
| 23:31.55 | WizardNumberNext | I agree |
| 23:32.16 | WizardNumberNext | 5vsb is not supposed to run hardwae |
| 23:32.30 | WizardNumberNext | if PSU is off, everything should be off |
| 23:32.37 | jacekowski | and another thing, to handle usb keyboard you need complete usb stack not just enumeration |
| 23:32.42 | WizardNumberNext | maybe apart of keyboard and mouse on PS/2 |
| 23:32.51 | jacekowski | you have to handle fairly complex HID part of the usb spec |
| 23:33.21 | WizardNumberNext | and that is why I never was able to wake up PC from USB kb, but with PS/2 there's no problem at all |
| 23:34.09 | jacekowski | and normally when PC is running and you want to use dos with usb keyboard |
| 23:34.10 | WizardNumberNext | yeah with rawly milion buttons (ok say around 105-130) |
| 23:34.25 | WizardNumberNext | don't remind me dos with usb kb |
| 23:34.30 | jacekowski | it's using SMM to emulate old PS2 keyboard |
| 23:35.11 | WizardNumberNext | I never was going this way |
| 23:35.30 | WizardNumberNext | that is actually quite a surprise for me - SMM for USB kb |
| 23:35.48 | WizardNumberNext | what a idea - that's sounds do ridiculous |
| 23:37.10 | WizardNumberNext | anyway, I cannot believe I ever had computer without USB |
| 23:37.23 | jacekowski | well, there is no other "easy" way to do it |
| 23:37.29 | WizardNumberNext | now it would be completely unthinkable |
| 23:37.45 | jacekowski | something has to handle USB stack while DOS has full control |
| 23:38.15 | WizardNumberNext | but it still should be possible in BIOS |
| 23:38.23 | WizardNumberNext | why SMM |
| 23:38.33 | jacekowski | BIOS is just a piece of code |
| 23:38.37 | WizardNumberNext | DOS uses BIOS for everything |
| 23:38.50 | WizardNumberNext | I know |
| 23:39.02 | WizardNumberNext | more of initialization, then usefull code |
| 23:39.11 | WizardNumberNext | but it changes |
| 23:39.42 | jacekowski | thing is, BIOS code is not executed unless DOS wants something |
| 23:39.56 | jacekowski | like keypress or some stuff from HDD |
| 23:40.31 | orlok | grr |
| 23:40.32 | jacekowski | because back then there was dedicated keyboard controller with it's own buffer |
| 23:40.37 | orlok | my N900 started failing bigtime last ight |
| 23:40.54 | orlok | it made a weird noise, like the startup sound, but corrupted |
| 23:41.15 | orlok | then it turned off and wouldent turn on for an hour or two, i had to try like a dozen times |
| 23:41.24 | jacekowski | now, with USB host controller can interrupt main cpu, but then you would need an interrupt handler |
| 23:41.29 | orlok | it would show the startup pulsating dots and crap out halfway |
| 23:41.38 | jacekowski | but DOS has full control over those |
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| 23:42.07 | jacekowski | BIOS could set up those initially, but there would be no guarantees with regards to what happens after that |
| 23:42.20 | jacekowski | so that would work 9 times out of 10 |
| 23:42.26 | orlok | ponders what to do |
| 23:42.32 | jacekowski | orlok: flash it |
| 23:42.49 | orlok | jacekowski: ... Whats the problem? |
| 23:42.58 | jacekowski | only thing that OS (DOS/windows/linux) cannot touch is SMM |
| 23:46.07 | sixwheeledbeast | user guide icon now goes to swipe.nokia.com |
| 23:46.22 | sixwheeledbeast | don't remember that the other day |
