IRC log for #maemo on 20130121

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00:45.52MekkisScreenhey... how can one press the alt key on the N900 terminal?
00:50.26DocScrutinizer05usually esc helps as prefix
00:53.19MekkisScreenthanks
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02:17.03ShadowJKInitial benchmarks for two samsung microsdhc cards, samsung essential 16g class 6, Samsung Plus 16g class 10. The class 6 is better, but has weird performance profile. The Class 10 is all around bad. :-)
02:19.38DocScrutinizer05LOL
02:20.05DocScrutinizer05wonders if class10 is actually class1.0
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02:20.58UberNeoare the repositories down . tried to install an application using "Faster Application Manager" but it failed to grab the package
02:21.12DocScrutinizer05*sigh*
02:21.17DocScrutinizer05/topic
02:21.22DocScrutinizer05~mirrors
02:21.22infobotmirror is, like, http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
02:21.35DocScrutinizer05~repo-dwon
02:21.40DocScrutinizer05~repo-down
02:21.40infoboti heard repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42
02:23.56DocScrutinizer05ok, your next post was  http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T03:37:05, so maybe you didn't notice that explanation I gave
02:24.21DocScrutinizer05also
02:24.23DocScrutinizer05~fapman
02:24.24infobotextra, extra, read all about it, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever
02:26.34ShadowJKActually, the class 6 is pretty bad too, performance with a filesystem on it will be terrible
02:29.16UberNeoDocScrutinizer05: i have migrated to a bigger uSd .. it worked . without dd or even without the same size partitions b/w old and new usd
02:29.33UberNeoonly the cp -a worked like charm
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02:31.04DocScrutinizer05UberNeo: good to hear you got it sorted :-)
02:31.29UberNeoDocScrutinizer05: Thanks a lot for all your inputs :)
02:31.35DocScrutinizer05yw
02:47.07PocketWulfeis fapman available for diablo?
02:48.34PocketWulfeand what kind of problems i should say.
02:59.08WizardNumberNextPocketWufle: read note above about fapman
02:59.13WizardNumberNext~fapman
02:59.13infobotfrom memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever
02:59.49WizardNumberNextUberNeo: glad to hear it
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03:00.33WizardNumberNextI think everybody sleeps on #nvidia channel. I asked question ages ago and no answer yet
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03:01.20UberNeoWizardNumberNext: thanks for ur valuable inputs as well
03:01.48WizardNumberNextUberNeo: you are welcome
03:02.37WizardNumberNextI use Debian from release of sarge (3.1) i revision 0
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03:02.50WizardNumberNexts/i re/in re/
03:03.56WizardNumberNextso I have some experience with GNU/Linux. I have been using other distros previously, but Debian is best so far.
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03:05.34UberNeoseems like some issues with teh Mirror Repos
03:05.46UberNeoi have used http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88707 . Extras Repo
03:05.52UberNeomirror 1
03:06.06UberNeobut failed to get the package contents
03:06.35UberNeoany luck with anybody .. to install packages from Mirror 1
03:06.49WizardNumberNextUberNeo: if it is merlin1991's repo mirror, then it didn't work for me - hash sums wrong
03:07.25UberNeoWizardNumberNext:  i used http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/
03:07.36PocketWulfewiz i did read it but that wasnt what i was wanting to know. =p
03:07.56WizardNumberNextI didn't use it. I use the other one, not merlin, not italian
03:08.29WizardNumberNextskeiron
03:08.34WizardNumberNextit seams to work
03:08.45UberNeodoes skeiron . works fine .
03:09.05UberNeoI am using Faster Applicatin Manager
03:09.40Snafu777!FAM
03:09.45Snafu777~fam
03:09.45infobotextra, extra, read all about it, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever
03:10.16WizardNumberNextI never even tried to try to use fapman
03:10.24UberNeoinfobot: the generic default application manager is very slow .
03:10.24infobotthat's too long, UberNeo
03:10.58UberNeowhat else do u suggest . as Application Manager
03:11.12WizardNumberNextUberNeo: infobot is a BOT. it saves us to type away what we want to say
03:12.09UberNeohow does infobot works then . so there is no person behind infobot
03:12.24WizardNumberNextUberNeo: you can use plain apt. I tried aptitude, but it always catches SIGSEGV - segmentation fault
03:12.36Snafu777apt-get works great
03:12.38WizardNumberNextno there is nobody behind it
03:12.47Snafu777real men use apt-get
03:12.54Snafu777~apt-get
03:12.55infoboti guess apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me about ...
03:13.07WizardNumberNextSnafu777: I agree - I use apt-get if I know what I am looking for
03:13.12Snafu777apt-cache search
03:13.16Snafu777to find what u want
03:13.37Snafu777hildon application manager sucks donkey balls, faster application manager breaks stuff....therefore we're left with apt-get
03:13.56WizardNumberNextyes, ham is extremely slow
03:14.06WizardNumberNextI wish aptitude would work
03:14.44WizardNumberNextI love aptitude - I use as long as long I use Debian
03:14.49WizardNumberNextsimply love it
03:14.56UberNeobut FAM .. gives the complete list of application in a very easy readable way
03:15.09WizardNumberNextbut it breaks stuff
03:16.03WizardNumberNextif I would have choice between fapman and apt-get and there would nothing else, then I would stick to apt-get
03:16.10WizardNumberNextat least it does work
03:16.25WizardNumberNext... as expected
03:17.04infobotcries
03:17.10WizardNumberNextapt-get is almost as old as Debian
03:17.20WizardNumberNextwho is playing with infobot?
03:17.43Skry~botsnack
03:17.43infobot:), Skry
03:17.56WizardNumberNextnot to worry infobot, I can care about you same as about my beloved hal
03:18.16WizardNumberNextand I don't mean Hardware Abstraction Layer
03:18.28WizardNumberNextSkry: nice
03:19.01UberNeocan we zoom in the running video in N900
03:19.30PocketWulfei prefered apt-get because of multiple installing. hap only does one at a time.
03:19.32WizardNumberNextI am not sure about default player, but in mplayer you can
03:19.35DocScrutinizer05UberNeo: get cssu, there's a zoom option in tv settings
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03:20.17DocScrutinizer05not meant for arbitrary live zooms
03:20.30WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer05: cssu? you mean testing?
03:20.57DocScrutinizer05I mean CSSU-Testing, if that's what you mean by "testing"
03:21.17WizardNumberNextyes, that is what I meant
03:21.27DocScrutinizer05there's also a maemo-testing repository, which is completely unrelated
03:22.10WizardNumberNextusualy I avoid anything what is testing
03:22.24WizardNumberNextafter 3 trials of Debian in testing flavor
03:22.31DocScrutinizer05WizardNumberNext: good to hear skeiron works
03:22.45DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: ^^^ :-)
03:22.48WizardNumberNextyes it does, but merlin1991 doesn't
03:22.54UberNeoKmplayer . has ful screen mode
03:23.15WizardNumberNextUberNeo: smplayer have it as well
03:23.33WizardNumberNextand I like it more, but it is up to you what you would like more
03:24.23UberNeoalso . in Kmplayer . even if u swich off the screen . the video keeps on working . but not in default player
03:24.28WizardNumberNextsmplayer is full of features, do not know about kmplayer, if it is similar to what I get on Debian, then it is crap compared to smplayer
03:25.04WizardNumberNextUberNeo: it plays on both default and smplayer after switching off screen
03:25.20WizardNumberNextin default one it is bit of luck, but usualy it does work
03:25.44UberNeofor me the luck doesnt works in teh default player
03:25.59WizardNumberNextyou just leave it for few seconds after video started to play and then switch it off and usualy video is still playing with screen off
03:27.13UberNeoNo i mean . if u manully .stand by the scrren . from the hard switch on right side of N900
03:27.21WizardNumberNextunfortunately if video would stop to play, then media player have to restarted and even that sometimes fails to work
03:27.38WizardNumberNextyes, that is what I mean
03:28.16WizardNumberNextI usualy do that 3-5 seconds after video started to play and video is still playing, while screen is off
03:29.36UberNeocool . wil try then
03:31.09WizardNumberNextsometimes it fails, but usualy I get what i want
03:36.12DocScrutinizer05never fails for me. What doesn't work though is putting mediaplayer to background
03:36.37DocScrutinizer05unlike audio playback for videos it immediately pauses
03:41.05UberNeoDocScrutinizer05: exactly tht what i wanted to say ..
03:42.29DocScrutinizer05well, putting video to background isn't exactly simple anyway, and also more or less nonsensical, since the second app in forground now might for example be a second videoplayer, or a browser playing flash video, or whatever
03:43.12DocScrutinizer05while audio could even get mixed, for video that doesn't make any sense
03:44.19DocScrutinizer05also video playback is quite resource demanding, so you better don't run other apps in parallel, to avoid negative impact on video playback
03:44.51UberNeoDocScrutinizer05: makes sense . but sometimes . we just want to listen to the music .. in the video .. i knw . its a bit unusual . anyways . a bit nonsensical as well
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03:47.40DocScrutinizer05well, then teach mafw to playback your video media in audio player, and things you want are feasible
03:49.06DocScrutinizer05it's possible to teach mafw gstreamer pipe to playback flac, I don't see why it can't be done to play any other semi-reasonable source of audio via mafw as well
03:50.51DocScrutinizer05maybe it even already works, I honestly never tried ;-)
03:51.41DocScrutinizer05if there's a plain audio playback plugin for gstreamer, it probably shall 'just work'
03:53.19UberNeodont knwo how it works in Kmplayer
03:56.00DocScrutinizer05kmplayer most likely doesn't use mafw anyway
03:57.19UberNeoyeah makes sense .
03:58.02UberNeoanyways everybody . late night . better get some sleep . have to go to my shite office .. tmmrw morning :(
03:59.52WizardNumberNextsee you arounf UberNeo
04:00.36UberNeoWizardNumberNext: DocScrutinizer05 have a good night
04:00.48WizardNumberNextyou too
04:01.03WizardNumberNextI would have very productive night
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04:03.44Skrywith gstreamer you just leave video decoding out of the pipeline, player (or whatever contructs the pipeline) should probably implement some kind of option to play only audio out of videos. Would be easier to just extract the audio out of the container though.
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04:04.49WizardNumberNextSkry, he left
04:05.50WizardNumberNextanyway I would prefer to use gstreamer as it garantee decoding by IVA2, where I do not know if mplayer does that
04:06.01WizardNumberNextobviously for supported formats
04:06.15Skryyea, mplayer doesn't
04:09.28WizardNumberNextgood to know - I was to lazy to find it out
04:12.45Skrylist of (officially) supported formats is a bit short though
04:17.17WizardNumberNextit is
04:17.45WizardNumberNextI was thinking I would find some firmware for IVA2, but no results
04:19.53Skryyou already have the firmware, if you want software for your dsp search for c64x + whatever
04:28.59WizardNumberNextI meant the soft running on IVA2 (which in nature is firmware, because it runs directly on hardware)
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04:35.23DocScrutinizer05err
04:36.18DocScrutinizer05the definition of firmware (if there's any at all) is "software in a read-only storage"
04:37.25WizardNumberNextdoc: so how do you explain firmware for 802.11 cards - most of them have some area for it, which is perfectly writable
04:38.53DocScrutinizer51every storage is writable, otherwise it was no storage
04:39.05SkryI was speaking about /lib/dsp/baseimage.dof, which usually is referred as firmware, regardless if it's right or wrong term to be used
04:39.36DocScrutinizer51but firmware is program code that can't usually get altered by the system it is executed on
04:42.28DocScrutinizer51so in this sense even program code transfered to RAM of a wifi or BT chip is firmware since the chip can't load it arbitrarily nor can it usually alter it during runtime
04:49.26thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: :)
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05:21.14ShadowJKHeh, fennec seems to periodically peg emmc ext3 partition at >75% busy for tens of seconds
05:21.37ShadowJKi can feel the smell of sqlite infection here :)
05:21.55Skry:)
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05:26.25Snafu777~kill
05:44.19Snafu777Something strange, in yer neighborhood, who ya gunna call?
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05:45.46ShadowJKHeh, reading a mailing list thread via gmane web interface on fennec/n900
05:46.03ShadowJKsshd into n900 from n810, running iostat
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05:46.48ShadowJKeverytime scrolling jitters on N900, i glance at N810, and sure enough, it shows a big spike in emmc ext3 partition busyness
05:47.21ShadowJKironically, the thread im reading just morphed into fs devs despairing about the evils of sqlite :-)
05:51.32WizardNumberNextShadowJK: how do you run iostat constantly
05:51.50WizardNumberNextI cannot work it out to make it work constantly
05:51.54ShadowJKiostat -x -k -d mmcblk0p2 mmcblk1p2 10
05:51.59ShadowJKfor 10s updates
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05:52.22ShadowJK0p2 is my emmc /home, 1p2 is my microsd swap
05:52.33ShadowJKremove -d to get cpu stats too
05:53.47WizardNumberNextI missed INTERVAL in help
05:53.51WizardNumberNextthanks
05:58.23LundeKerio: you gonna tell me how to use gconftool
06:01.36kerio~rtfm
06:01.37infobotit has been said that rtfm is Read The F*cking Manual (TM). It is a suggestion to do your homework before posting a question. Sometimes used as RTFM $SPECIFIC_MANUAL to refer to a specific source of information. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM
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06:03.27WizardNumberNextRead The FINE Manual ;)
06:08.45Lundeno offense,you said I will tell you
06:08.53Lundeno problem
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06:48.52ShadowJKhttp://lwn.net/Articles/518988/
06:49.01ShadowJKwants it on n900 :(
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07:22.33freemangordon~mirrors
07:22.33infobotmirror is, like, http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
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07:43.17DocScrutinizer05hey, could somebody check what's the actual HAM auto-update schedule in alarmd please? is it a period on an unspecified starting time, or is it every day same time of day, or what?
07:44.14kerioit's called "check-interval" in gconf
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07:45.36thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: ~# gconftool -a --all-dirs /apps/hildon/update-notifier
07:45.38thedead1440<PROTECTED>
07:45.39thedead1440<PROTECTED>
07:46.00keriothedead1440: alarmclient
07:46.43DocScrutinizer05trigger           1358800949 -> 2013-01-21 21:42:29 wd=Mon tz=CET dst=No (T-12h58m8s)
07:47.10kerioi think it's set again on every check
07:47.18DocScrutinizer05:nod:
07:47.55DocScrutinizer05and with a period of whatever you configured (or default 24h), from the very moment it's checked during start of alarmd on boot
07:47.56kerioalso hi DocScrutinizer
07:47.57keriosup
07:48.23DocScrutinizer05calculating load on repo.m.o by 40k devices
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07:48.41DocScrutinizer05will they all ask at once, at 00:00 UTC?
07:48.46kerioDocScrutinizer05: how many with -devel enabled?
07:48.56kerioDocScrutinizer05: nah, the clock drifts like hell
07:49.19kerioand there's no mention of midnight
07:49.21DocScrutinizer05clock drift is negligible
07:49.39DocScrutinizer05yes, that's what I meant, it's not synced to time of day
07:49.41kerioi get something like 15 seconds a day
07:52.14keriodo you reckon that the majority of those 40k have extras-devel enabled?
07:52.34kerioit doesn't matter as long as the Release file isn't changed
07:52.39keriobut still
07:57.23ShadowJKaccidentally finds a webpage that makes fennec consume 800M memory
07:57.51cehteh<pre>pooof</pre>   :)
07:58.30DocScrutinizer05kerio: I'm concerned (well, Eero is) that all would try to update at same time, like if there was a cron entry
07:59.00keriocehteh: as in the html tag?
07:59.19kerioShadowJK: is it myfreecams? because myfreecams works kinda fine in microb
07:59.30keriowhich is fairly awesome
07:59.55cehtehfennec never worked well for me
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08:00.09cehtehmaybe i shall try the most recent release
08:00.14keriothe non-thumby one in ovi is unusable
08:00.21cehtehah ok
08:00.25cehtehno go then
08:01.59DocScrutinizer05alarmclient -L|grep -C8  ham_updates
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08:05.37ShadowJKkerio; no
08:06.10kerioit's still a nice showcase of how the n900 is still lightyears ahead of any other smartphone
08:06.23kerioand it's also a nice showcase of... other things
08:06.29kerioor so i've been told
08:08.21ShadowJKI was browsing for more cards to test and found a local distributor of Integral cards (and others), http://www.muistikauppa.fi
08:08.45RST38hShadowJK: Isn't 800MB a normal footprint for Fennec?
08:08.46RST38h=)
08:08.56ShadowJKwent a few categories deep from left and fennec was pretty soon up to 800M swap in use
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08:11.58DocScrutinizer05hehe, wouldn't happen here ;-P
08:12.19DocScrutinizer05even if I would use fenec
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08:18.41RST38hDoc: Haven't got 800MB RAM?
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08:19.22ShadowJKMy desktop machine has 8g ram and 7g swap in use
08:19.30ShadowJKshould restart firefox :-/
08:20.37RST38hwhy use fennec on a desktop?
08:20.42RST38hanything special about it?
08:21.51ShadowJKI'm not.
08:22.39DocScrutinizer05RST38h: haven't got 800Mb of swap
08:22.46ShadowJKBut the first desktop executable version of fennec did have a novel feature, pressing back button was instant load from cache instead of refresh from network :)
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08:25.23cehtehShadowJK: firefox does that since ages, it even caches the most recent pages in rendered form
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08:27.07DocScrutinizer05can somebody translate >>flags             STATE(QUEUED) RUN_DELAYED|CONNECTED|BACK_RESCHEDULE<< for me please. (alarmclient -L|grep -C8  ham_updates)
08:28.47DocScrutinizer05cehteh: what became of that concept to download *ahead* - i.e. download links on page just viewed, in case user might click on them
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08:29.59DocScrutinizer05probably somebody found it's brainfart and causes congestion of downlink for the one page you *actually* want to see enxt
08:30.07freemangordonthe more I read about this qml hing, the more i dislike it. WTF, one should mimic hildon-status-menu?!?
08:30.11freemangordon*thing
08:30.33DocScrutinizer05meh, qml
08:31.04freemangordonromaxa: from memory, what component should be rewritten, so microb-engine to be replaced? is it gtkmozembed or something else?
08:31.24freemangordonromaxa: int terms of embedlite that is.
08:33.02freemangordonromaxa: also, did you try to open some flash in qml UI?
08:34.06thedead1440freemangordon: since the last thumb update I've this behaviour occurring quite frequently: When a notification like a SMS arrives, I click on the X button in the task-switcher to clear it but it won't clear till i repeatedly click it and a message saying hildon-home is not responding; to close or not. Once I click NO the notification usually has cleared. Any idea on what logs to submit to debug this? Thanks!
08:35.05thedead1440N.B. It used to occur previously but quite rarely like once in 15-20notifications but now its like once in 2 notifications
08:35.23cehtehDocScrutinizer05: there are some extensions who do that, but it caused a lot trouble and didnt worked well
08:35.37freemangordonthedead1440: hmm, strange, never seen that here
08:36.09freemangordonthedead1440: could you install h-d from cssu-devel and see if it still occurs?
08:36.19thedead1440ok will do so
08:36.30freemangordonthedead1440: you need Qt too
08:36.46freemangordonotherwise rotation in Qt apps will be broken
08:37.16thedead1440qt-mobility and qt4-x11?
08:37.28freemangordonthedead1440: just lemme confirm with arcean if latest h-d is in -devel
08:37.39thedead1440there is one in there from 18/01
08:37.49freemangordonthedead1440: qt-mobility in cssu-devel?
08:37.54thedead1440ya
08:37.55DocScrutinizer05errm, I've seen exactly the same yesterday when trying to close a missed call notifier in taskswitcher. No thumb
08:38.02DocScrutinizer05but cssu-t
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08:38.49freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: for sure it is not because -thumb, I upgraded h-d in recent cssu-thumb with the ne from -testing
08:39.05freemangordonth*one
08:39.11freemangordonthe fuck :(
08:39.19DocScrutinizer05gnhnhnhn
08:39.31freemangordonohh, arcean is offline
08:39.41DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: accept your typos ;-)
08:39.58freemangordon:)
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08:40.19freemangordoni am using remote desktop to my home PC, sometimes keystrokes are not registered
08:40.38freemangordonthat's why those "eaten" letters
08:40.42DocScrutinizer05anyway, general dbus msgs loss alike problems been always common on fremantle like on all dbus systems
08:40.52DocScrutinizer05I stilll suspect dbus itself is buggy
08:41.05freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: could it be ppoll/pselect?
08:41.12DocScrutinizer05possibly
08:41.22DocScrutinizer05but not on my desktop KDE, eh?
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08:41.43freemangordonwe should continue wiki edits for kernel in CSSU in that regard
08:41.52DocScrutinizer05:nod:
08:42.04freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: for sure not on your desktop :D
08:42.11DocScrutinizer05you generally should resume using wiki
08:42.20DocScrutinizer05it *works* again :-D \o/
08:42.25freemangordonI know
08:42.37freemangordonohh, Pali is offline too :(
08:42.46DocScrutinizer05on that topic: http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure
08:55.42DocScrutinizer05one user and 6 guests on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588 - *incl me(!!)*.  I wonder whom for I do those daily updates there
08:56.32micknameme!
08:56.57thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: you should give the thread a silent bump by posting your latest update as a post too && your updates do help ;)
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09:01.15DocScrutinizer05well, you could post as well ;-D
09:01.32thedead1440I'm not OP and its your work :p
09:01.41DocScrutinizer05I hate posts of mine that don't gather at least 8 thanks
09:01.48thedead1440haha
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09:02.29freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: you post to gather thanks? I tought you do it to be useful :P
09:02.35nakugakahi i was wondering what is up with the reposatorys are they down ? because i havend been able to reach them on my n900
09:02.48DocScrutinizer05YAY!!
09:02.50freemangordon~mirrors
09:02.51infobotit has been said that mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
09:02.58DocScrutinizer05~repo-down
09:02.58infoboti heard repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42
09:03.09DocScrutinizer05/topic
09:03.37freemangordonkerio: see, i've learned to write "mirror" correctly :D:D:D
09:03.39thedead1440haha its like "attack of the zombies" whenever someone asks about repos down :D
09:04.23nakugakahttp://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ <- alternative repo's ?
09:04.46freemangordonnakugaka: more of a backup
09:04.54thedead1440nakugaka: see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88707  its self-explanatory
09:05.18nakugakathx i recently finally got a n900 and i was kinda bummed out the repo's were down
09:05.27nakugakafuck the whole site was acing like it was on acid :P
09:05.44nakugakabut thx ^^
09:05.53freemangordonyou've choosen a bad moment :)
09:06.00nakugakaalso has somebody ever atempted to port maemo5 to the rasberry-pi?
09:08.59DocScrutinizer05qwazix: you got mail!! \o/ board and council actually (Nemein quote fro hosting and maintenance)
09:20.11nakugakais it known that the repo mirror for extra's from merlin 1991 has an hash error
09:20.27thedead1440nakugaka: did you read the thread i linked to?
09:21.24nakugakadoing 20 tings at the same time its easy to overlook something :P
09:22.49nakugakaseriusly the work you need to do just to get an ssh client -_-
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09:35.32wirrthedead1440, thanks for updating the migration wiki page
09:35.48thedead1440wirr: np ;)
09:38.41wirrholds up a big sign saying: Update, update, update: http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure
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09:45.35nakugakais it known that the openssh-client has problems with the n900 keyboard because i have some serius problems logging into some of my servers with it
09:46.39jacekowskino
09:46.47jacekowskiit's your fingers
09:47.20nakugakanope ive checkd it and it aint my fingers
09:47.52jacekowskibesides, use keys
09:48.47nakugakanaa i prefer to restrict it to single ip's anyway and its not open to the wwwz so hightend securoty is not needed
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11:25.01ShadowJKnakugaka, try type your password into vi or nano first, to see if you're typing what you think you're typing
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11:48.16DocScrutinizer51or into xchat ;-P
11:51.21DocScrutinizer51~ding
11:51.21infobotdong
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12:14.52DocScrutinizer51if it wasn't IRC I'd get nervous for the silence
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12:35.44infobotdong
12:35.51WizardNumberNextno more silence
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12:47.00infobotdong
12:51.07jon_y~dong
12:51.07infobotding
12:51.12jon_y:)
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12:56.22keriowub wub wub
12:57.43kerioDocScrutinizer: do you know if HiFo has permissions to rehost the contents of downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle?
12:58.08jon_ykerio: you do dubstep? :)
12:58.20kerionah
12:58.43jon_ysadly, I know that wub wub only after playing Borderlands 2
12:59.38jon_y80% more wub wub than the previous game
13:00.03jon_ythere wasn't actually any in the first game though
13:00.43kerioso there's no wub wub in borderlands 2 either
13:01.06jon_ythere is, only one scene
13:01.15kerioso it's ∞% more wub wub than the previous game
13:01.21jon_yso any amount of wub wub will fill that quota
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13:08.12myname24Hi , did they release accuweather for N900 or it has been left ? I can't find it in ovi .
13:11.43merlin1991nakugaka: which part of my mirror has the hash error?
13:11.53nakugakapff
13:11.59nakugakai dont remember again
13:12.01merlin1991because I checked extras-devel and cssu-testing and both were fine
13:12.14merlin1991hm I'll have to check the other 2 then too :D
13:12.19nakugakai got the error withn the default app manager on the nokia n900
13:12.38nakugakasrry my short term memmory sucks ass so i dont remember anymore
13:12.50merlin1991np
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13:13.23nakugakabut it was community community-extra or community-testing
13:14.05nakugakabecause those are the ones i added at that time
13:14.33thedead1440merlin1991: community, extras and extras-devel all have hash sum mismatch on yours: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1315956&postcount=9
13:15.11merlin1991damn
13:15.11nakugaka??
13:15.16merlin1991they worked with apt-get
13:15.24nakugakalol not everybody uses apt-get
13:15.38merlin1991yeah but it's the fastes way to check ususally
13:15.43merlin1991I didn't bother to fire up ham
13:15.46nakugakatrue
13:15.54thedead1440merlin1991: it didn't work on apt-get too IIRC
13:16.14merlin1991huh, it worked for me
13:16.31nakugakabut hey do you guys know if maemo5 has been ported to other devices sucsessfully ?
13:16.43nakugakabecause i couldent find any info on it
13:16.44merlin1991nope
13:16.57merlin1991well there is corida which got the hildon-desktop running on mer
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13:17.00nakugakaah so it wont be a waste of time for me to try to pert it to the rasberry po :P
13:17.03nakugakapi
13:17.04merlin1991so basically any device that runs mer
13:17.26nakugakanice thx
13:17.27merlin1991nakugaka: well depends on what you wan to run on the pi from maemo5
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13:17.42nakugakathe whole distro if possible
13:17.42keriothere's a ton of closed stuff in fremantle
13:17.56nakugakalol i have a lot of time and i am good at reverse engineering
13:18.17nakugakasure some parts wont be legal but those i just keep for my self and the rest that is open i publish
13:18.27kerio~closed
13:18.27infobot[closed] http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages
13:18.35kerioyou don't have enough time
13:18.54nakugakabut just the interface will be nice to have on a device like the pii with a small touch schreen
13:19.08merlin1991but if you feel like reversing interesting bits, the cssu always has space for stuff that need fixing ;)
13:19.42nakugakaif i remmember i will look into it once i got the sdk running on a dedicated machine
13:20.02nakugakauhm has the wiki problems because its slo as a snail
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13:22.48merlin1991thedead1440: I just checked, all 4 work with apt-get
13:22.50keriohm, wiki is down again maybe?
13:22.51merlin1991time to fire up ham
13:23.01keriomerlin1991: checked with ham, your community-testing mirror works
13:23.04nakugakabut kerio if you meant with that that some things shouldent be open i disagree with that i strongly believe that every thing should be open and that companys just should tell people before using the devices that if they fuckup because of a lack of knowledge its their own fault
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13:23.17nakugakanaa the wiki works but takes a very very long time to load
13:23.31kerionakugaka: no, i mean that there's a fuckload of things that you'll have to reverse engineer
13:23.41nakugakalol i have more than enough
13:23.42nakugakatime
13:23.46nakugakasince i dont have a job
13:24.20thedead1440merlin1991: strange i'll try it again... the last i tried was when i set-up the thread
13:25.17nakugakaby the way are there packaged backups of the repositorys so i can set up private repositorys at home because locally doing that is a lot faster :P
13:25.38kerionakugaka: just reprepro
13:25.47nakugaka??
13:26.19kerioor apt-mirror, but afaik reprepro is better
13:26.23nakugakasrry if i dont understand that but ive never tried it before but i wanted to try it so i thougth i do it for the n900 but i dont understand that lingo yet
13:26.37nakugakawait do you mean download it to the phone
13:26.48keriono, you won't have enough space
13:27.25nakugakanvm i already found what ya meant
13:27.41nakugakaand now i have another thing to use my rasberry pi for :)
13:28.15kerioseriously though, fremantle is about as unportable as it gets
13:28.30kerioespecially because, given the choice, you'd just make a similar, but better, system
13:29.01wirrnakugaka: i'd be very interested to run hildon-desktop on armhf... so please share your findings on talk.maemo.org
13:29.06nakugakawell it whould bring the os completely in the hands of the community witch in my opinion whould be a lot better
13:29.28Skrynakugaka: I have hildon-desktop running on top of Arch Linux
13:31.21kerioSkry: the cordia one?
13:31.42nakugakastill looking at the list and figuring out what the main packages of the hildon gui is and then i whould need to look at them what are closed and what not so i dont know how to replay at that skry
13:32.18Skrykerio: the git one
13:32.30kerioSkry: oh, not on a computer though
13:32.50kerioafaik hildon-desktop has problems with resolutions other than 800x480 or 480x800
13:33.56merlin1991kerio: there is a patch in cordia for that
13:34.11kerioi know, but is it in the mainline h-d?
13:34.15Skryyup, looks fine at 1080p :)
13:34.59merlin1991kerio: nope we never ported the patch to the cssu h-d because well, there is no need :D
13:35.47merlin1991btw Skry are you running the cordia h-d or the cssu h-d ?
13:36.58Skrycssu hd with some patches from cordia
13:41.35nakugakabut il leave the convo since my gf is here well contineu this later on ok cya ^^
13:41.45merlin1991Skry: anything that can be applied to cssu hd without breaking compatability with the n900 would be nice to have
13:41.55merlin1991so that other have an easier starting point in the future
13:42.05merlin1991*hint* merge-request *hint*
13:43.15Skrywe'll see
13:44.01Skrybut yeah, ofc you get everything usable too
13:45.04merlin1991btw Skry did you run only hildon-desktop or the whole hildon libraries aswell?
13:45.41merlin1991s/did/do/
13:46.54Skryclutter08, libmatchbox2, libhildon, libhildondesktop and the few other libs
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13:50.54Skrynot tried hildon-home etc yet, I'll try to work out h-d first and put everything on github
13:51.38SkryI was planning to make it usable on "normal" distros
13:52.09Skrycurrently just busy with kernel and alarm stuff so, all in it's time
13:52.50merlin1991yeah, it would be awsome if we could make the cssu h-d usable on "normal" distros
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13:54.43wirrmerlin1991, wouldn't it be nice as well if we could run h-d ontop of generic armhf distro _on the n900_?
13:55.03Skrythat's what i'm doing
13:55.23merlin1991wirr: that's cordia
13:55.31Skrynot interested running it on desktop, though I did that too
13:55.31merlin1991(and it runs)
13:55.44wirrmerlin1991, what do we loose in comparision to plain maemo?
13:55.58merlin1991well all closed apps
13:56.00wirrSkry, cool... do you have hardfp binaries I could test?
13:56.03merlin1991(which includes the dialer)
13:56.36wirrmerlin1991, hmmm i thought we could you ofono for that
13:56.43wirrs/you/use
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13:57.03Skrywirr: only "beta" packages for alarm
13:57.42Skryofono does not include gui dialer
13:58.33Skrythere is sphone but it's outdated, probably others too
13:58.45Skrystuff from meego, etc
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14:01.22wirrSkry, what do you use under the hood? what kernel? sgx-drivers?
14:01.32Skryscreenshot or didn't happen: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/49989728/20130110052519.png
14:02.17wirrnice... will you publish a list of the patches you used?
14:02.44SkryI use Arch Linux ARM with my own custom packages (and repo), 3.5 kernel, sgx drivers from mer/nemo
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14:03.14Skrykernel source is on github, repository is public, thread is on tmo
14:03.22wirrcool, thanks
14:05.55Skryno need to build yourself, I'm putting out packaged kernel from git periodically
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14:13.35vi____wait what
14:13.51vi____You are running arch with 3.5 kernel AND SGX drivers?
14:14.27Skryyes
14:14.51vi____and the sgx drivers work with HW accelerated graphics and opengl and shit?
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14:15.19vi____AND you are running hildon as the 'WM'
14:15.21vi____?
14:16.12Skryno opengl, not possible with the hardware but gles2 yes, shit (Xv etc) yes, h-d as a wm yes
14:16.34vi____how is this even possible???
14:16.43Skrybecause I wanted?
14:17.01vi____but...
14:17.03vi____aaah
14:17.09vi____does the phone work?
14:17.13Skryyes
14:17.18vi____omg wtf
14:17.25vi____what do you use to dial with?
14:17.37Skrydbus :)
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14:19.09vi____incredible!
14:19.21teotwakifuck
14:19.28vi____Yeah!
14:19.29teotwakijust bought a 16GB class 10 uSD card
14:19.33teotwakiturns out it's a class 4
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14:19.52vi____teotwaki: ...you do know the whole class thing is BS right?
14:19.58Skryprobably faster than that class 10
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14:21.59vi____To achieve these so called 'class 10' speeds they meddle with the guts of the card in such a way that reduces overall performance and life span.
14:22.38teotwakiwell, tell ya what, I have a class 4 that I thought was a class 10, which gave me a 4MB/s sequential write
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14:23.15vi____Does it say class 10 on the front?
14:23.32vi____Where did you buy it.
14:23.33vi____?
14:24.20teotwakiWell, it didn't say anywhere, as it turns out, there was a logo with a 10 and a circle around it
14:24.30teotwakiin my hurry to on time at work, I mistook it as the class 10 rating
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14:24.47teotwakiit's only once I opened it and took a look at the actual card that I saw a 4 with a circle around it printed on it.
14:24.52teotwakilocal supermarket
14:24.58vi____Sorry mate.
14:25.25teotwakiwell, only 12 bucks down the drain, it's for a 1080p sports camera.
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14:26.00jacekowskicamera with uSD card?
14:26.00teotwakiI already tried with a 2GB class 4 card, the card can't keep up, I tried with a class 6 4GB card, which kinda works, but a few hickups. Recommended is 16GB class 10.
14:26.11teotwakijacekowski: yeah, kinda like the gopro
14:26.23jacekowskii wouldn't bother with 1080p then
14:26.49jacekowskilens on that camera probably cannot resolve 108p
14:26.51teotwakiwell, I wasn't planning on using the 1080p much, the 720p gives 60fps, which is kind of nicer in a number of ways.
14:26.55jacekowski1080p
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14:28.00jacekowskiand well, i've got old class4 card and i can record 1080p just fine
14:28.06jacekowskinormal class 10SD
14:28.29teotwakiit's a lot easier to divide 60fps to get to 24 fps than going from 30 fps to 24.
14:29.06jacekowskirecord 24fps
14:29.15teotwakican't
14:29.19teotwakiit's fixed 30 or 60.
14:29.31teotwakiUS company, methinks.
14:30.10kerio24fps is an abomination
14:30.21r00t|homeso you pay $400 for your gopro hero, and then need to save ten bucks on the sd card?
14:30.31jacekowskiteotwaki: thing is, it's US standard, that 24FPS
14:30.37jacekowskiteotwaki: EU would be 25
14:30.46kerioUS standard is 30fps
14:31.00keriowell, US standard is 60fps interlaced
14:31.07jacekowskii though NTSC was 23.97 or therabouts
14:31.15teotwakiaye, 30FPS is US NTSC (29.97 fps actually)
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14:31.56keriothat's probably a conversion error from the imperial frames per second
14:32.04jacekowskibesides, i don't see a problem
14:32.12jacekowskiall hardware now can play 30fps and other
14:32.14teotwakir00t|home: trying to troll eh?
14:32.15jacekowskiwithout any problems
14:32.30teotwakitrue
14:32.35jacekowskiteotwaki: he's got a point
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14:33.16teotwakiwell, no, I got a gift, I need an SD card, I took the wrong one, I never blamed any one else but myself. I'll just go and grab another one, no problem there.
14:33.56teotwakiso the only point he's got is about as nil as fuck.
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14:53.37DocScrutinizer05EHLO teotwaki
14:54.51teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: HELO
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15:00.40jonwilI never realized just how much JUNK I have on this hard disk :)
15:01.13jonwilis currently trawling through the junk to find anything important so he can back it up on DVD
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15:03.31WizardNumberNextjonwil: DVD have short life-span, which highly depends on amount of light, which strikes it
15:03.55WizardNumberNextyou would have to hide it from light to consider it as backup media
15:03.59jonwilwell what is the other alternative for backups that doesn't cost $$$?
15:04.18jonwilUSB thumb drive? USB hard disk?
15:04.23WizardNumberNextI backup my data on 7 HDDs
15:04.56WizardNumberNextwell DVD is definitely cheap, but considering it capacity HDD is cheaper
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15:05.42jonwilDVD is much easier for offsite backup than external HDD
15:06.06WizardNumberNextthas true
15:06.36WizardNumberNextas long as host is capable of writing/reading DVD
15:06.43WizardNumberNextwhich my server isn't
15:06.57Luke-JrI disagree
15:07.14Luke-JrDVD is no easier than external HD
15:07.43jonwilIt is if you have an unused spindle of blank DVDs and no spare external HDD :)
15:08.24jonwilplus for the amount of stuff I actually need to back up, a HDD is overkil
15:08.50jonwilThe guys with mission-critical stuff use tape drives but those cost $$$, as do the tapes
15:09.04WizardNumberNextespecially in my case - HDDs are already there, DVD would have to be added and I have niether space for it nor spare socket for PATA (all SATAs are occupied anyway and I won't buy DVD-drive for server)
15:09.10Luke-Jrthe time it takes to decide between "important" and "not so important" is more expensive than the HD :P
15:09.23jonwilnot around here
15:10.08WizardNumberNextthe time for decission might be too long for data, if HDD is failing
15:10.16jonwilin this case the HDD is fine
15:10.56jonwilI am doing a backup because I should have done one ages ago and I just had a scare (broken computer, problem turned out to be power supply) so I want to back up just in case next time is more serious
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15:11.21WizardNumberNextin my case I need 6 new 3TB HDDs - I got fed up with badblocks and slow NFS
15:11.29Luke-Jr>_<
15:11.30warfarehi there.
15:11.42Luke-JrWizardNumberNext: NFS is slow? I use sshfs :P
15:11.49Luke-Jrjust because I'm lazy
15:11.59WizardNumberNextNFS is slow, because of drives
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15:12.30WizardNumberNextif it comes to NFS performance - it fills up my connection - 116MiB/s
15:13.03WizardNumberNextconnection between my home-server and dekstop
15:13.28Luke-JrI ranted that my NAS drives can't keep up with even 100 mbit sshfs, why do they advertise 1 gbit link? :P
15:14.40WizardNumberNext115.85MiB/s MAX
15:15.03WizardNumberNextmy NAS is on server
15:15.34WizardNumberNext115.85MiB/s is absolut MAX on 1gbps link
15:15.42WizardNumberNextyou cannot get any faster!
15:17.00WizardNumberNextmy NAS is limited only by 802.3ab and HDDs speed
15:17.10jonwilso yeah I already have the blank DVDs and the DVD burner and I dont have the USB HDD or any spare cash so in my case DVDs is the only option :)
15:17.28WizardNumberNextobviously overhead of FS counts as well
15:17.45RST38hMeanwhile: Atari Files For Bankruptcy
15:18.06WizardNumberNextwhich in case of one 372GiB HDD is huge, because of hunderds of thounsands of files on it
15:18.13RST38h(if only to dump the Frenchies)
15:18.24Luke-JrI don't even have a DVD reader anymore <.<
15:18.51WizardNumberNextI keep it only because I rip DVD movies -otherwise its useless
15:19.17WizardNumberNextATARI been hlding for quite long
15:19.43WizardNumberNextits shame Amiga never made it and had to go to Commodore
15:23.46khmno
15:23.47WizardNumberNextmine n900 is suddenly quite warm
15:24.01khmthe Atari that is filing for bankruptcy is Infogrames
15:24.22khmInfogrames bought the Atari name when the real Atari went bankrupt ages ago
15:25.50romaxafreemangordon: ping
15:26.19kerioWizardNumberNext: battery?
15:27.05WizardNumberNextvery probable, because it is warm at back as well
15:27.30WizardNumberNextand I just checked out power usage and it takes over 300mA
15:27.35WizardNumberNextwhich is strange
15:27.42keriono, i meant, is the battery drained
15:27.47kerioWizardNumberNext: are you on wifi?
15:27.48WizardNumberNextnever did that before
15:27.56WizardNumberNextI wasn't
15:27.58keriocool
15:28.00WizardNumberNextnow I am
15:28.02keriooh dammit
15:28.04keriowhy did you do that
15:28.11WizardNumberNextwhy?
15:28.23keriois the power usage back to normal now?
15:28.26WizardNumberNextanyway battery is almost empty
15:28.44WizardNumberNextstill above 300ma
15:28.48keriohm
15:28.49WizardNumberNextwhich is too much
15:28.52keriodisconnect from wifi
15:28.59WizardNumberNextnormaly it is around 170am
15:29.10WizardNumberNexteven on wifi
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15:29.23kerio170 is ridiculous, it should be more like 15
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15:30.10WizardNumberNext352ma with wifi and bt off
15:30.14WizardNumberNextwhat?
15:30.34jonwilwhat do you get if you switch into airplane mode and turn of cellular radios too?
15:30.41WizardNumberNextnow even modem is off and still 353
15:30.58keriowhat does powertop say?
15:31.00WizardNumberNextI just turned off every radio possible
15:31.10keriotry modprobe -r wl12xx
15:31.35WizardNumberNextdo not have powertop
15:32.11WizardNumberNextI have applet, which swithces it off and on
15:32.18WizardNumberNextshould do same trick
15:33.11WizardNumberNext304 after removing wl12xx
15:33.32WizardNumberNextin exactly your way - just to be sure I got what you expect
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15:36.10WizardNumberNextsomething have drained my battery in just 2 hours 30-40 minutes - almost nothing left
15:36.13StucKmanI know this might be off-topic here, but which would be a channel to ask questions about the nokia n9?
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15:36.30WizardNumberNext#hartman
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15:36.35StucKmanWizardNumberNext: I find that the GPS drains a lot
15:36.38StucKmanWizardNumberNext: tx
15:36.50WizardNumberNextit is not GPS for sure
15:36.56StucKmanWizardNumberNext: you mean #harmattan?
15:37.00WizardNumberNextI would get icon for it, if it would on
15:37.06WizardNumberNextyes I did
15:38.08StucKmanWizardNumberNext: does top/htop show any runaway app?
15:38.39WizardNumberNextno, checked it just before reboot
15:39.04merlin1991Skry: which gtk version, 3 or 2?
15:39.35StucKmanI have another question, n900 related
15:39.46StucKmanare the repos really offline?
15:40.29WizardNumberNextthey very offline
15:40.44StucKman:(
15:40.44WizardNumberNext~mirror
15:40.45infobotrumour has it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
15:40.47StucKmanno alternatives?
15:40.52StucKmanah, cool
15:40.56WizardNumberNextbut here yoiu have mirrors ^^
15:41.11Skrymerlin1991: 2
15:41.43WizardNumberNextI used ~mirrors
15:41.50WizardNumberNext~mirrors
15:41.50infoboti heard mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
15:42.10WizardNumberNextstill same one
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15:42.32WizardNumberNextI used the other one, which is not in this post
15:42.45WizardNumberNextmerlin doesn't work for me
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15:44.04WizardNumberNextkerio: after reboot, with UMTS/HSPA with internet on it and IM accounts, with CPU on 805MHz - 39mA
15:44.11kerio>overclocking
15:44.15kerio>data
15:44.21keriodoes the IM include skype?
15:44.30keriowait, >data over UMTS
15:44.42WizardNumberNextwith overclocking, data, IM and yes - skype as well - just 39mA
15:44.58WizardNumberNextyes, data over umts at the moment
15:45.07kerio40mA is still ridiculous
15:45.16keriounless it's your only computer
15:45.25merlin1991kerio: you tested my mirror in ham right?
15:45.28WizardNumberNextits while display is off
15:45.37keriomerlin1991: that's what i said
15:45.46WizardNumberNextmerlin1991: I tested it in ham and apt
15:45.54merlin1991WizardNumberNext: did it work with apt?
15:46.06merlin1991(because it does for me)
15:46.08WizardNumberNextneither
15:46.17WizardNumberNexthash sums wrong
15:46.44merlin1991ah well time to test on device then, scratchbox apt didn't complain (probably checked only the md5 though, I remember a bug about that)
15:46.49keriocan you pastebin the whole output of `apt-get update`?
15:46.52WizardNumberNextdoesn't matter, if I went through wi-fi with proxy or without or even hspa
15:47.46WizardNumberNext29.8mA measured with bq27200
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15:48.17kerioWizardNumberNext: i believe you, but stop doing that much stuff
15:48.28kerioor your battery life will suck
15:48.46WizardNumberNextkerio: I have 5 batteries in total - why should I care
15:48.53WizardNumberNextall are full usually
15:49.04kerioi want 5 batteries too ._.
15:49.14WizardNumberNext2GBP each on ebay
15:49.36WizardNumberNextjust because I wanted original
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15:50.18WizardNumberNextI had 6, original-original and 5 from ebay
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15:51.58WizardNumberNextbut one got broken and it is slightly to hard to solder it and it is not worth its time, if battery is worth 2GBP. I earn 12.5GBP per hour, was playing with this battery for 2 hours and didn't fix it, so I lost 25GBP worth of time on it, istead of spending 2GBP for new one
15:52.19WizardNumberNext26mA on wifi
15:52.21WizardNumberNextnice!
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16:01.51merlin1991WizardNumberNext: yep seems like some hashsum is indeed wrong
16:01.58merlin1991investigates
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16:04.15merlin1991hm funky, there is a checksum for binary-all but I don't even have that  o_O
16:05.01merlin1991that release file is full on foobar
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16:07.31merlin1991funnily that sb apt does not complain
16:08.00JaffaDocScrutinizer05: chem|st: The email notifications from TMO seem to be coming from a different address now. webmaster@talk.maemo.org rather than (e.g.) 'harmattan@talk.maemo.org'
16:08.08keriomerlin1991: really? can you pastebin the error message?
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16:08.39merlin1991kerio: the reprepro mirror is fine because the Release file is generated
16:08.51merlin1991reprepro mirror aka minimal mirror
16:09.01keriomerlin1991: i'm talking about your community-testing mirror
16:09.06keriois that one a reprepro one?
16:09.14merlin1991nope, I'm talking abotu extras-devel :D
16:09.31keriowhy would one use the full-blown extras-devel mirror?
16:10.08DocScrutinizer05Jaffa: I still don't see any mails, so... we're working on it
16:10.16merlin1991about nobody knows the non full-blown one ;)
16:10.20DocScrutinizer05Jaffa: actually chem|stdoes
16:10.36keriomerlin1991: but it has a nice URL and everything
16:10.44keriobtw, change the extras-devel-light .install
16:10.54merlin1991kerio: and it never got published
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16:12.34merlin1991kerio: install file is fixed
16:12.39kerio:D
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16:13.56merlin1991hm funnily after apt-get updating once it did take the extras-devel mirror anyways
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16:24.09merlin1991~mirror
16:24.10infobothmm... mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
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16:27.56keriomerlin1991: is the light repo taken from your mirror, or is it taken from repository.maemo.org again?
16:28.10merlin1991it is taken from my mirror
16:28.17merlin1991but all the checksums are redone
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16:44.03eyescreammerlin1991: I didn't follow all of the conversation but in case it's relevant: I'm getting a hash sum mismatch on your extras repo. extras-devel works fine, though.
16:46.54kerioeyescream: extras-devel is a superset of extras
16:48.03eyescreamkerio: Meaning that only one can be active at one time?
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16:48.39kerioonly one *should* be active at one time
16:48.47kerioit's not harmful to keep both enabled, it's just useless
16:48.57kerioso if you use extras-devel all the time, you might as well remove extras
16:49.41eyescreamI see, thanks. Will just go for extras-devel, then. Stable enough from what I've read.
16:50.04keriomerlin1991: fix your extras repo too!
16:50.29freemangordonromaxa: latest embedlite plays big buck bunny video @ ~14 fps on n900, but it plays :). scrolling fps vary from 25-50, still didn't manage to find why. BTW sorry for the little mess i've created on github with my last commit, will be more careful in future :)
16:50.36kerioeyescream: btw, if you're fine with being up to a day behind, use extras-devel-light
16:50.54keriohttp://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/extras-devel-light.install
16:51.00eyescreamkerio: What's the difference?
16:51.09kerioit doesn't have all the versions of every package, only the latest
16:51.18kerio(which is what apt will end up installing)
16:51.20romaxafreemangordon: did you change RGB32 to RGB16? it should be in latest source
16:51.27eyescreamAh, I see.
16:51.28kerioand uses pdiffs, so each repo update will take seconds
16:51.30freemangordonyep, i pulled the latest
16:51.35freemangordonromaxa: ^^^
16:51.43romaxafreemangordon: ok, I see
16:51.45eyescreamThat sounds good.
16:51.56kerioand a handful of kB instead of the whole 9MB that the official extras-devel repo takes for every refresh
16:52.03freemangordonromaxa: and finished your work on X11InitThreads
16:52.09eyescreamJust got my N900, so pretty new to this. Picked a weird time. :)
16:52.18kerionote: i'm not sure if HAM (hildon application manager) supports pdiffs correctly
16:52.41keriobut it'll have to wait until there's a change in the repo, right now the autobuilder is down
16:53.01kerioand yes, you picked a weird time
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16:53.25freemangordonromaxa: any idea why Q_WS_MAEMO5 is not defined? I saw you've used #if defined __arm__ in qml test
16:53.35romaxafreemangordon: scrolling may vary due to content update notifications... I guess requesting content to repaint during kinetic scroll cause CPU usage and generic slowdown
16:53.41eyescreamI'm nothing if not adaptable. So no problem. :P
16:54.01freemangordonromaxa: yeah, could be. But in reality it is smooth and useful
16:54.02romaxafreemangordon: how many fps do you get on just moving page with finger up/down?
16:54.10freemangordon>50
16:54.22freemangordonon talk.maemo.org is that
16:54.34freemangordondevice CPU@805
16:54.38romaxafreemangordon: ok, I see, I guess something need to be checked around pixman perf
16:55.08freemangordonromaxa: I guess mozilla is using system pixman. ot not?
16:55.14freemangordon*or
16:55.28romaxafreemangordon: no by default it builds local pixman
16:55.37freemangordonooh. :(
16:55.41romaxafreemangordon: which is supposed to be latest upstream
16:55.44eyescreamkerio: If you don't mind to answer this, would you recommand CSSU stable or testing? Or rather: Is testing stable enough to be used?
16:55.53RST38hmoos
16:55.59RST38hEHLO romaxa
16:56.03freemangordonany chance to tel it to use the system one? as fremantle one is heavily neon optimized
16:56.17RST38hHow are browsers doing nowadays? =)
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16:58.15freemangordonromaxa: just redid the test with only moving page up-down, device not overclocked, fps varies between 30 and 40
16:58.37freemangordonI'd call that usable
17:01.18romaxafreemangordon: still slow... it should be around 50ish I guess
17:01.45romaxaRST38h: not very good... a lot of work need to be done
17:02.16freemangordonromaxa: hmm, I saw fps increases if I use main.qml instead of main_meego.qml, lemme recheck
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17:03.25kerioeyescream: think debian stable and debian testing
17:05.09freemangordonromaxa: yep, with using main.qml fps stays >40 . weird :)
17:05.18WizardNumberNextkerio: with same depncy problems as debian testing?
17:05.31eyescreamkerio: Thanks, though I'd rather not think debian at all. :P
17:05.46kerioeyescream: fremantle is loosely based on debian etch, iirc
17:05.52kerioWizardNumberNext: with the same what?
17:06.13kerioeyescream: cssu stable is meant to be indistinguishable from stock pr1.3
17:06.14WizardNumberNexteyescream: kerio means it is comparable to debian stable/testing ideology
17:06.23kerioit's basically a bugfix release
17:06.29WizardNumberNextdependency problem
17:06.45kerioi'm not aware of any dependency problem in debian testing
17:06.47JaffaDocScrutinizer05: chem|st: Thanks
17:07.01eyescreamkerio: I'm not talking about the software, more about the general philosophy of the project, so no problem there.
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17:07.18WizardNumberNextleave it be for month and if you need to iunstall anything else you have to reinstall whole debian
17:07.45eyescreamI guess I'll just read up on the differences and then see whether there's anything worthwhile to me in testing.
17:07.46kerioWizardNumberNext: why do you expect to be able to install new versions with old libraries?
17:07.54kerioeyescream: probably loads, if you're a "power" user
17:09.08eyescreamkerio: That's good to know. Reading up on it on the wiki now.
17:09.17romaxafreemangordon: and with main_meego.qml - is it slower or faster?
17:09.24freemangordonromaxa: slower
17:09.26keriothere's also an optional thing where you install half of the packages of the system from the repo of a weird bulgarian dude with a fetish for modern compilers
17:09.35WizardNumberNextkerio: in stable you can add anything anytime, testing you HAVE to keep up to date and you should do at least two upgrades a week, otherwise you end up with dependency problems and unable to add and/or upgrade soft
17:09.41romaxafreemangordon: main_meego.qml it is mainly for Meego
17:09.47freemangordonromaxa: BTW all this is with SW rendering
17:09.49kerioand it makes the whole system a lot faster
17:10.06keriofreemangordon: hi!
17:10.16freemangordonromaxa: yeah, that is why i tested main.qml
17:10.17romaxafreemangordon: main.qml intended to be used on desktop Qt build
17:10.23freemangordonkerio: hi
17:10.41romaxafreemangordon: probably fremantle has more optimized container but I'm not sure
17:10.50freemangordonromaxa: the point is that it is used if __arm__ is defined ;)
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17:11.30eyescreamkerio: I assume you are referring to the CSSU-thumb thing I've been reading about? Is that really worth it?
17:11.34RST38hromaxa: same shit here
17:11.41kerioyeah, it's kinda great
17:12.02WizardNumberNextkerio: I am trying to compile cross-compiler (amd64-arm) gcc 4.7.2, but no real effects yet - now I would try debian way and see
17:12.05eyescreamI assume that's based on testing?
17:12.09kerioit does require a different kernel though, so you need to be a little more wary of potential problems regarding that
17:12.29kerioyeah, it closely follows cssu-testing
17:13.07eyescreamCan I switch from one to the other without reflashing? In case I decide to try out the normal version first.
17:13.15kerioyou can go cssu-testing -> cssu-thumb
17:13.23eyescreamGreat.
17:13.29kerioand, in theory, you can also go cssu-stable -> cssu-testing, but that's less tested
17:13.41WizardNumberNextkerio: what about going cssu-stable -> cssu-testing?
17:13.49WizardNumberNextoverlap
17:13.54keriogoing backwards is a bit harder, because apt isn't keen on downgrading
17:14.17WizardNumberNextyes, you have to ask him nicely
17:15.34kerioor you have to shove a priority 1001 down his throat
17:15.35freemangordonoh, shit, it is Q_WS_MAEMO_5 not Q_WS_MAEMO5 :D
17:16.06romaxafreemangordon: that is default, ideally you can pass qml file in cmdline... but if you have reasonable working define that is also ok
17:16.13eyescreamkerio: Seeing as I'm fairly new at this, what would I have to look out for that might break the system when running the thumb version (and thus the custom kernel)?
17:16.42keriorunning a binary with the thumb2 ISA requires a certain patch in the kernel you're running
17:17.06freemangordonromaxa: i am testing it by passing qml file in cmdline. will use Q_WS_MAEMO_5
17:17.22keriopotential pitfalls can happen if you restore an old backupmenu backup
17:18.57eyescreamkerio: Thanks again. I guess I'll go for the standard CSSU testing now and while playing around, I'll read up on things a bit more and then switch to CSSU-thumb to try that out.
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17:19.29kerioon the other hand, if you install cssu-thumb immediately, and then you only take backups with the correct modules...
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17:20.36eyescreamAll I've done so far is flash the phone to restore it and add the temp repos. So nothing to back up, really.
17:22.24keriobtw, uninstall "cherry" immediately
17:22.39kerioit's the MyNokia premium sms subscription bullshit
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17:25.23eyescreamYeah, been reading this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?s=bcad4cd2389b67dd0911decdebb4b503&t=82641&highlight=uninstall+cherry
17:25.54eyescreamWill have to get rid of all of those that are safe to remove.
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17:39.47freemangordonromaxa: does embedlite load plugins? as it seems i am unable to enable flashplayer
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18:03.31romaxafreemangordon: ideally it should, but I never tested that case, due to only one pluign was useful in that case and now it is no very actual anymore...
18:06.52freemangordonromaxa: well, why not actual, ads don't require v11 :D. on a serious note, I added user_pref("plugins.disabled", false); in /home/user/.mozilla/mozembed/prefs.js, with no success. BTW there is a bug in UI(I guess), one can't change about:config settings
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18:09.08romaxafreemangordon: you need to put plugin in mozilla system plugins folder, or put into /home/user/.mozilla/plugins
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18:10.14romaxafreemangordon: after that run test embed with NSPR_LOG_MODULES=Plugins:5
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18:10.49freemangordonit is in /home/user/.mozilla/plugins ofc, which is a link to /usr/lib/browser/plugins. ok, will do
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18:13.07freemangordonromaxa: nothing changed with export NSPR_LOG_MODULES=Plugins:5. And nothing logged
18:13.25freemangordonhowever, it is not that important by now
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18:19.01romaxafreemangordon: also I guess it should probably be needed to enable some of maemo platform defines in mozilla/dom/plugins ..
18:19.09romaxafreemangordon: in order to get it work
18:19.31freemangordonaah, i see
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18:22.35Sc0rpiusso TMO mail is back
18:22.41Sc0rpiusbut no repos/builder
18:22.52Sc0rpiusbut we're seeing progress :)
18:25.07Sc0rpiuswhat saddens me is that there are only 40.000 N900s alive out there.
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18:27.27kerio40k is a lot
18:27.58Sc0rpiusnot a lot compared of the billion iPhones (in all their versions) that there are out there
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18:29.36Sc0rpiusok, not a billion, but 400 millions confirmed by September 2012.
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18:32.07warfarehi everyone. I got an n900 today. How do I install the CSSU with repository.maemo.org being down? Any hints for manual install?
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18:41.18WizardNumberNext~mirrors
18:41.18infobotfrom memory, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143
18:41.32WizardNumberNextwarfare: ^^ use mirror
18:42.02warfareWizardNumberNext: I already have the mirror configured, I'm just missing the magical packet name to install ;)
18:42.25WizardNumberNextupdate now
18:42.31freemangordonwarfare: read the wiki page http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU
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18:44.18freemangordonwarfare: depending on which flavor you want to install, it is either http://repository.maemo.org/community/community-fremantle.install or http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/community-testing-fremantle.install
18:44.31freemangordonchange it accordingly
18:45.33warfarefreemangordon: repository.maemo.org is not reachable - is installing mp-fremantle-community-pr sufficient?
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18:57.59freemangordonwarfare: no
19:00.33freemangordonwarfare: you need community-ssu-enabler (or something). though I am not sure if it is enough
19:01.01kerioit should be
19:04.05warfarefreemangordon, kerio: thanks, this does the trick.
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21:31.08UberNeoseems like all the QML/QT applications are failing to start on my N900
21:31.18UberNeogetting below error from syslog
21:31.32UberNeoJan 21 21:30:11 Nokia-N900 qmltube[1591]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - g_object_get: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Jan 21 21:30:12 Nokia-N900 qmltube[1591]: GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
21:33.20UberNeoany suggestions??
21:34.44UberNeosame with Twimgo
21:34.45UberNeoJan 21 21:34:02 Nokia-N900 TwimGo[1594]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - g_object_get: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Jan 21 21:34:03 Nokia-N900 TwimGo[1594]: GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
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21:36.44Sc0rpiusupdate to CSSU
21:41.26merlin1991UberNeo: do you have qt and/or hildon-desktop from cssu-devel?
21:42.17UberNeomerlin1991: how to check that
21:42.46kerioUberNeo: do you know what cssu-devel is?
21:43.04kerioor have you ever read that particular name somewhere
21:43.48UberNeokerio: not sure though
21:44.56UberNeoeverywhere .. getting the suggestion to do .. apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr
21:45.10UberNeonot sure whats this package does mp-fremantle-community-pr
21:45.32Sc0rpiusthat's a nice suggestion.
21:45.52keriono, you don't do that
21:45.56kerioSc0rpius: that's not a nice suggestion
21:46.00kerioUberNeo: where have you read that?
21:46.01Sc0rpiuswhy? it works
21:46.14Sc0rpiusI installed the first several CSSU packages like that
21:46.14kerioSc0rpius: except that it fucks up *badly* with autoremove
21:46.50keriocommunity-ssu-enabler marks the packages that would be installed by the nokia metapackage as manually installed for a purpose
21:47.02kerioand also sets up the HAM domain information for the repository
21:47.12Sc0rpiusI see
21:47.25Sc0rpiusI wonder if it's possible to install the whole CSSU without needing the repository.maemo.org
21:47.33kerioof course
21:47.36keriothere are mirrors
21:47.41merlin1991Sc0rpius: yep, throw in a mirror and just do it :D
21:47.55Sc0rpiusI updated to CSSU-thumb like 2 days ago
21:48.08Sc0rpiusnow I'm not sure if I like it :(
21:48.30kerionote that HAM might complain about the repo not being *the* repo
21:49.26UberNeodoee updating to CSSU will solve my errors of GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed . for QT/QML based application
21:50.49freemangordonSc0rpius: hmm?
21:52.50merlin1991this repo mess is a mess
21:53.06freemangordonSc0rpius: care to explain what problem you have with cssu-thumb(if any)
21:53.17Sc0rpiusnot a problem, but I feel the phone slower
21:53.29Sc0rpiusmicrob renders way faster, yes
21:53.45Sc0rpiusbut the rest of the applications feel slower to me, but like I said, I'm not sure
21:53.57freemangordonSc0rpius: check your transitions.ini
21:54.27UberNeoso it means I should not enable CSSU
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21:54.52freemangordonSc0rpius: BTW I would really appreciate if you provide some quantative feedback
21:55.05freemangordon(if possible)
21:56.51freemangordonSc0rpius: as all the benchmarks I did so far either give > 20-50% speedup (openssl) or 1-2% speedup
21:57.27freemangordonnothing i've tested was slower when thumb-compiled, but it is more than possible that I am missing something
21:58.03freemangordonthat is why i'd appreciate to be proven wrong :)
21:58.35Sc0rpiusok
21:58.52kerioSc0rpius: maybe applications feel slower compared to the thumby programs?
22:03.47Sc0rpiusmight be
22:03.59freemangordonSc0rpius, kerio: it is perfectly possible that KCSSU(i.e. KP) impacts the speed somehow. Or errata workarounds. or ... NFC what :D
22:05.30freemangordonthough my end-user experiance so far tells me that ... thombified n900 launches phone-ui, contacts and conversations faster than S3 (I know I am saying that for n-th time, but still :) )
22:05.42freemangordon*experience
22:05.48keriofreemangordon: that just tells us that the s3 is an awful device
22:06.01freemangordonsure
22:06.04keriobut we already knew that
22:06.23freemangordonbut it is supposed to be one of the fastest devices around 9excluding iCrap)
22:06.27keriobecause Operating system Android
22:06.31freemangordonofc
22:06.59freemangordonbut it still has 2x1.2 Cortex A9. Plus some third core
22:07.11kerioi thought it was a quadcore
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22:09.49kerioanyway, i see what you mean
22:11.53UberNeokerio: freemangordon  . could you please give some inputs on the error which I am getting for QT/QML based applications
22:12.59freemangordonUberNeo: what is your hildon-desktop version? (dpkg -l | grep hildon-desktop)
22:13.41freemangordonkerio: well, afaik S3 is tegra3
22:13.58UberNeohildon-desktop                                      1:2.2.140-1+0m5
22:14.04freemangordoncould be wrong and I am too lazy now to check :)
22:14.22UberNeohildon-desktop-python-loader                        0.1.0-1maemo3
22:14.23keriofreemangordon: wikipedia says samsung exynos 4 quad for eu, snapdragon s4 for NA
22:14.49xesfreemangordon: have you tried again to debug the qt fennec build for fremantle?
22:14.53freemangordonkerio: afaik exynos is TBD :), lemme check
22:14.56kerioso that's a quad core cortex-a9
22:16.01freemangordonshit, you are right :O
22:16.17freemangordonfor sure it has 2 GB
22:16.28kerioit's a fucking beast
22:16.42freemangordonno, it is not.
22:17.02kerioit's quite powerful
22:17.09freemangordonscrolling stutters every now and then, UI is awful, etc
22:17.22khmbad software doesn't mean the hardware is weak
22:17.34khmit's just a natural extension of locking yourself inside the java blimp
22:17.36freemangordonbad software means the device is weak
22:17.41keriofreemangordon: port fremantle to the s3 plskthx
22:17.50UberNeofreemangordon: how its realted to the hildon-desktop version?
22:17.53freemangordonno HW kbd and no FMTX
22:18.00keriooh god
22:18.04keriohow can they live without the fmtx
22:18.14wirrthe horror, the horror
22:18.59khmwell how else do you expect to present a staticky low-fidelity representation of your music in a car?
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22:19.06freemangordonUberNeo: you are 10 versions behind master, install the one from cssu-devel (along with Qt) and recheck. If it still continues (the error you have) please file a bug with steps to reprodice
22:19.22khmwrites pulseaudio layer to crap up the sound
22:19.27khmfmtx emulator
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22:19.56freemangordonhands khm a beer and waits for the emulator to be ready
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22:21.33WizardNumberNextis drinking beer waiting till fmtx emulator would make my radio play
22:21.54keriokhm: instead, work on a kernel-level speaker protection
22:22.39WizardNumberNextfremangordon: there are two SGS3 on market - one have two cores and another have four
22:23.01WizardNumberNextI want one with two cores, but without android
22:23.40freemangordonWizardNumberNext: well, I didn't check which one was that. But in either cases it is a shame
22:23.41WizardNumberNextworking debian would perfectly fine
22:24.05WizardNumberNextandroid kills it capabilities
22:24.27WizardNumberNextit is like I would put windows on my "vista incapable" PC
22:24.38WizardNumberNextI still want that sticker on my desktop
22:25.31wirrbut, freemangordon, pretty please, port maemo to the Pantech Star Q
22:26.26WizardNumberNexteven though it is perfectly vista capable (AMD Phenom II X6 1090T + 8GiB DDR2-6400 RAM, going without a glitch to 7520 (940MHz))
22:26.51khmwhy did you type any of those things in
22:27.36WizardNumberNextPantech Star Q? hat is it?
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22:27.59WizardNumberNextbecause I like my desktop, which is designed for GNU/Linux
22:28.12UberNeofreemangordon: WizardNumberNext  any mirror for cssu-devel
22:28.26keriooh god
22:28.59WizardNumberNextUberNeo: I have no idea. Don't want to mess anything for you
22:30.55WizardNumberNextUberNeo: do you have somewhere this post with all mirros?
22:31.06UberNeoWizardNumberNext: .. seems like all the QT/QML based applications are failing to start
22:31.19UberNeoWizardNumberNext:  getting below error
22:31.20UberNeoTwimGo[1594]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - g_object_get: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Jan 21 21:34:03 Nokia-N900 TwimGo[1594]: GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
22:31.30WizardNumberNextI can check for branch, but cannot guarantee it would work
22:31.41WizardNumberNexti mean with mirrors
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22:32.37WizardNumberNextiDont to... ... sometimes ;)
22:32.47WizardNumberNextnice username btw
22:33.22iDontthanks :)
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22:35.45UberNeoWizardNumberNext: any pointers . for the QT/QML apps errors .
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22:37.16WizardNumberNextUberNeo: honestly no clue. What I think it might some glitch in library linking or somethink similar, but it is only what I think and I might be very wrong.
22:38.15UberNeoWizardNumberNext:  .. all the apps like . CuteTube, AesyPig , Twimgo . al are failing . :(
22:39.50WizardNumberNextUberNeo: I never have programmed in QT/QML so I am not wise enough to answer that question
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22:40.54WizardNumberNextit might be something in library itself, but I think you should do what freemangordon told you to do
22:41.23WizardNumberNextI have no better solution
22:42.16UberNeobut dnt know .. whats the mirror cssu-devel . its repository
22:43.05WizardNumberNextme neither
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22:43.33UberNeofreemangordon: do u have any pointers for repository mirror cssu-devel
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22:56.16WizardNumberNextUberNeo: my cutetube seams to work
22:56.45MrPinguWizardNumberNext: Positive!
22:57.14WizardNumberNextok guys, how can check what libraries are used by cutetube?
22:57.37WizardNumberNextI am too lazy work it out by myself
22:57.56WizardNumberNextwould lsof be sufficient?
22:58.40merlin1991ldd?
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22:59.31WizardNumberNextmerlin1991: rings bell, I would check it out
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23:01.00WizardNumberNextmerlin1991: hit~
23:01.03WizardNumberNexthit!
23:01.46WizardNumberNextUberNeo: do you run clean N900 or with some cssu?
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23:02.18UberNeowas . clean .now i have gt this cssu-devel repo
23:03.29UberNeoWizardNumberNext: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/  fremantle free non-free
23:03.37UberNeofor cssu-devel
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23:05.48WizardNumberNextthen I cannot help you - I was looking for libraries and possibility of swapping them, but this would be quite a risk - it might render N900 unusable till you put originals back
23:06.03WizardNumberNextnow it is outdated crazy idea
23:06.14WizardNumberNextberofe it was crazy idea
23:10.03UberNeoWizardNumberNext: Seems like all the QT/QML apps have started working
23:10.16UberNeoafter CSSU-DEVEL update
23:10.36WizardNumberNextso I have been right - it was up to some library
23:10.52UberNeoyeah ..
23:11.04UberNeothanks .. its working now
23:11.17WizardNumberNextgood
23:12.05UberNeoWizardNumberNext: .. do u remember the GPS app . which just shows the basic GPS info
23:12.57WizardNumberNextI have two of them
23:13.19UberNeowhic one
23:13.41WizardNumberNextgps recorder and gpsdata
23:13.56UberNeoextras-devel?
23:14.09WizardNumberNextno idea
23:14.34WizardNumberNextmight be extras/extras-devel
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