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| 04:15.13 | Snafu777 | So, I lost myself today |
| 04:16.43 | robbiethe1st | But now you're found? |
| 04:16.53 | Snafu777 | Nah, sadly not |
| 04:16.57 | Snafu777 | Hey robbie!, i got the error for ya |
| 04:16.59 | Snafu777 | one sec |
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| 04:17.47 | Snafu777 | When trying to load internal memory or the backup menu itself based on the newest version in the debs.. I cannot tell u cuz my battery is nuked, and currently awaiting a new one |
| 04:17.50 | Snafu777 | Heres the error |
| 04:18.17 | Snafu777 | Starting /usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenuLauncher.item from nand (mtdblock4 jffs2)... |
| 04:18.22 | Snafu777 | It just stays like that |
| 04:18.26 | Snafu777 | white screen |
| 04:18.29 | Snafu777 | with black text |
| 04:20.29 | robbiethe1st | Is this fresh, install, what? |
| 04:20.33 | Snafu777 | yep |
| 04:20.34 | Snafu777 | pr 1.3 |
| 04:20.48 | robbiethe1st | And you didn't install /anything/ else? |
| 04:20.48 | Snafu777 | with only the packages dependant from the install installed |
| 04:21.03 | Snafu777 | ill reverify when i get my new battery |
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| 05:32.58 | freemangordon | n900, mozilla EmbedLite, CPU locked @ 600, sunspider result - 6032 ms. I expected new JS engine to perform better, but well. Scrolling on mobile FB with SW render ~22fps, on TMO - ~23 fps |
| 05:34.53 | freemangordon | I guess we can easily go as high as 30-40 fps with GTK |
| 05:34.57 | freemangordon | romaxa: ^^^ |
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| 05:36.33 | romaxa | freemangordon: is it release build? |
| 05:36.44 | freemangordon | yes |
| 05:37.14 | romaxa | hmm something is wrong |
| 05:37.32 | Sc0rpius | mozilla EmbedLite = browser? |
| 05:37.37 | freemangordon | with -mthumb -mfpu=neon -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mtune=cortex-a8 |
| 05:38.01 | freemangordon | romaxa: GL renderer is unusable, i.e. ~8 fps |
| 05:38.10 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: yes |
| 05:38.12 | romaxa | freemangordon: I was able to get on beagle board 58FPS scrolling |
| 05:38.28 | romaxa | easily |
| 05:38.31 | Sc0rpius | nice, we definitely need a microb replacement |
| 05:39.06 | freemangordon | romaxa: hmm, lemme recheck, it is possible there was something running on the background |
| 05:39.20 | Sc0rpius | it's really sad that Opera and Fennec always crash on me, they are totally unusable |
| 05:39.35 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: move to -thumb |
| 05:39.42 | Sc0rpius | I should |
| 05:39.59 | freemangordon | in any case this would not be available on anything else |
| 05:40.09 | Sc0rpius | and how do I do that anyway? just installing CSSU-thumb or I would have to do something else? |
| 05:40.17 | freemangordon | just installing |
| 05:40.28 | Sc0rpius | I should compile Yappari on thumb |
| 05:40.33 | Sc0rpius | I wonder if it would work |
| 05:40.49 | Sc0rpius | it should. |
| 05:41.17 | Sc0rpius | and can I go from normal CSSU testing to CSSU-thumb? |
| 05:41.54 | freemangordon | romaxa: nope, still the same. do you know if compositing is on or off with QML? |
| 05:42.01 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: yes |
| 05:42.51 | Sc0rpius | but thumb increases performance? I know it reduces executable sizes |
| 05:42.53 | Sc0rpius | but what about performance? |
| 05:43.10 | freemangordon | ~cssu-thumb |
| 05:43.11 | infobot | methinks cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 |
| 05:43.40 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: you won't recognize microb :) |
| 05:44.04 | freemangordon | some openssl algos are ~ 2 times faster |
| 05:44.10 | freemangordon | etc. |
| 05:45.08 | Sc0rpius | and that repo is alive |
| 05:45.13 | Sc0rpius | the maemo.merlin1991.at |
| 05:45.29 | freemangordon | yes |
| 05:45.48 | Sc0rpius | but maybe it needs packages from the normal repo that I can't get since it's down.... |
| 05:46.05 | freemangordon | if you have -testing, there should be no need |
| 05:46.38 | Sc0rpius | yeah I have testing |
| 05:46.50 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: and nokia repos are up |
| 05:47.14 | freemangordon | and -thumb does not depend on repository.maemo.or |
| 05:47.16 | freemangordon | g |
| 05:47.33 | Sc0rpius | ok let's see... |
| 05:47.34 | romaxa | freemangordon: do you know how to take opreport on n900? |
| 05:47.42 | freemangordon | no |
| 05:47.53 | freemangordon | though I have valgrind on the device |
| 05:48.01 | freemangordon | latest upstream released |
| 05:48.21 | freemangordon | (if it is of any help) |
| 05:49.48 | freemangordon | romaxa: i'll reboot the device and re-test, sometimes GL drivers does not clean-up nicely |
| 05:51.02 | freemangordon | romaxa: also keep in mind Qt is 4.7.4, not 4.8 :) |
| 05:51.16 | Sc0rpius | ohh... you compiled the whole Qt again in thumb? |
| 05:51.36 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: half of the fremantle is re-compiled :D |
| 05:52.10 | Sc0rpius | CSSU-testing (not thumb) uses 4.8? It doesn't, right? |
| 05:52.15 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: check the packages here http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb/pool/free/ |
| 05:52.23 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: no, it is 4.7.4 |
| 05:52.50 | Sc0rpius | ok even fennec is recompiled in thumb since it wants to upgrade it |
| 05:53.02 | freemangordon | yes |
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| 05:53.40 | Sc0rpius | if I compile an application in thumb it would require CSSU-thumb? |
| 05:53.48 | Sc0rpius | or not necessarily? |
| 05:54.09 | freemangordon | yes, it MUST be run on cssu-thumb, because of the ARM erratas |
| 05:54.26 | Sc0rpius | hmmm... |
| 05:54.48 | Sc0rpius | but if the whole GUI is rendered faster in thumb I could go for both versions in the repositories (non-thumb and thumb) |
| 05:55.00 | freemangordon | yes |
| 05:56.03 | freemangordon | romaxa: still the same after the reboot, ~23 fps |
| 05:56.15 | Sc0rpius | anyway I can't upgrade as I feared it said some packages are missing: libmaemosec-certman0, libmaemosec0, maemosec-certman-common-ca and maemosec-certman-tools |
| 05:56.31 | freemangordon | enable -testing repo |
| 05:56.39 | Sc0rpius | ok |
| 05:57.10 | Sc0rpius | it's called Community SSU (devel) here, weird. |
| 05:57.11 | Sc0rpius | ok trying again |
| 05:57.16 | freemangordon | noooo |
| 05:57.20 | freemangordon | not -devel |
| 05:57.33 | Sc0rpius | not the same? |
| 05:57.36 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: don;t upgrade with cssu-devel enabled |
| 05:57.42 | freemangordon | not the same |
| 05:57.46 | Sc0rpius | ok |
| 05:57.57 | Sc0rpius | I don't think I have the -testing repo then |
| 05:58.21 | freemangordon | but where did you install cssu-T then from? |
| 05:59.00 | lunde | =) |
| 05:59.14 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: go to http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 , in install section there is a "here" link |
| 05:59.17 | Sc0rpius | I have Community SSU and Community SSU (devel) and I *suppose* I installed it from one of those |
| 05:59.27 | freemangordon | click on it |
| 05:59.40 | freemangordon | and it will do everything needed |
| 05:59.42 | Sc0rpius | that's what I did to get the -thumb repo |
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| 06:00.12 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: I hope you use HAM, not FAM |
| 06:00.17 | Sc0rpius | using HAM |
| 06:00.33 | freemangordon | NFC then |
| 06:01.09 | romaxa | freemangordon: I guess just for reference test it make sense to write simple Gtk UI with url bar and couple of buttons, I can help to connect rendering properly |
| 06:01.35 | romaxa | freemangordon: and test with that... so we would have rendering pipeline very close to what microb has and compare |
| 06:02.05 | romaxa | freemangordon: also would be nice to have that example for reference tests in embedding/embedlite/tests/ |
| 06:02.08 | freemangordon | romaxa: AFAIK compositing should be turned off with Qt to have good fullscreen rendering performance |
| 06:02.30 | freemangordon | i.e. Maemo5NonCompositing or something |
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| 06:02.44 | romaxa | freemangordon: do you need access to repository? |
| 06:02.58 | freemangordon | romaxa: why not |
| 06:03.00 | romaxa | freemangordon: you can push gtk example in there |
| 06:03.16 | romaxa | freemangordon: do you have github account? |
| 06:03.19 | freemangordon | yes |
| 06:03.28 | romaxa | same as nick? |
| 06:03.32 | freemangordon | yes |
| 06:03.41 | freemangordon | (but lemme double-check) |
| 06:04.28 | freemangordon | romaxa: yep, the same as my nick |
| 06:04.42 | romaxa | btw, branch hosted now at https://github.com/tmeshkova/mozilla-central, so change ref when you pull next time |
| 06:05.11 | freemangordon | ok |
| 06:05.26 | romaxa | done |
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| 06:07.18 | freemangordon | thanks, will create fremantle-qml and fremantle-gtk branches |
| 06:07.24 | freemangordon | (soon :) ) |
| 06:07.46 | romaxa | freemangordon: no need to have branches, unless you change core |
| 06:07.51 | freemangordon | romaxa: BTW any hint how to not rebuild the whole think for every small change I do? |
| 06:07.55 | Sc0rpius | is still waiting for repos to update, or timeout |
| 06:08.13 | romaxa | freemangordon: just do it inside embedding/embedlite/tests/gtk |
| 06:08.25 | freemangordon | hmm, ok |
| 06:09.10 | romaxa | freemangordon: make first simple gtk2 example which does work on pure gtk no hildon |
| 06:09.23 | romaxa | freemangordon: so it will work on desktop too |
| 06:09.43 | freemangordon | romaxa: but I have some changes to allow it build with python 2.5, I want to push them. I'd prefer to push them in a branch, as I don;t know if those would not break the other builds |
| 06:10.05 | freemangordon | romaxa: have in mind I am not exactly GTK guru :) :D |
| 06:10.05 | romaxa | freemangordon: then it make sense to create some special define if needed for fremnatle specific stuff |
| 06:10.30 | romaxa | freemangordon: does it work with python? |
| 06:10.44 | romaxa | 2.5? just by version requirement change? |
| 06:10.48 | Sc0rpius | even though Community SSU (testing) is enabled, the same packages fail (maemosec) |
| 06:10.59 | freemangordon | romaxa: no, it needs a couple of .py files changed |
| 06:11.12 | Sc0rpius | oh it says "failed to refresh" so it seems Community SSU (testing) is unreachable |
| 06:11.19 | Sc0rpius | no wonder why: |
| 06:11.19 | freemangordon | ooh, yes |
| 06:11.20 | Sc0rpius | ok I enabled to correct repo, let's |
| 06:11.21 | Sc0rpius | err |
| 06:11.37 | Sc0rpius | community-testing is in repository.maemo.org |
| 06:11.38 | Sc0rpius | bummer :( |
| 06:11.40 | romaxa | freemangordon: uhm hm... |
| 06:11.41 | freemangordon | those are on maemo.org |
| 06:12.00 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: there is a mirror, lemme find it |
| 06:12.12 | romaxa | freemangordon: is it really hard to make latest python available in your fremantle sdk? |
| 06:12.28 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/community-testing/ |
| 06:12.32 | Sc0rpius | nice |
| 06:12.56 | freemangordon | romaxa: no, but I don;t see the point wasting time now on that |
| 06:13.18 | freemangordon | romaxa: and have in mind repos are down right now :) |
| 06:14.06 | romaxa | freemangordon: ok, I guess it make sense to do it this way... |
| 06:14.15 | freemangordon | romaxa: BTW what is the problem to create a temporary branch, we can merge (or not) the changes later on |
| 06:14.18 | freemangordon | yep |
| 06:14.56 | freemangordon | I will do gtk in master, but fremantle changes in a branch |
| 06:15.17 | freemangordon | romaxa: is libpng NEON-optimized? |
| 06:15.28 | freemangordon | do you know :) ? |
| 06:15.47 | romaxa | freemangordon: I wonder how people usually work with github... fork repo and then push changes via pul requests into upstream, or create multiple branches in same repo and merge them into main branch |
| 06:15.59 | Sc0rpius | former |
| 06:16.12 | freemangordon | romaxa: NFC, I usually use gitorious |
| 06:17.09 | romaxa | freemangordon: I see /media/libpng arm neon stuff in there |
| 06:17.43 | freemangordon | no such stuff here, maybe I should clobe it from the new repo |
| 06:17.47 | freemangordon | *clone |
| 06:18.05 | romaxa | freemangordon: in gitorius I see people do clone + pull requests. |
| 06:18.22 | freemangordon | romaxa: ok, i can do it that way either |
| 06:18.53 | freemangordon | thoush I have NFC how to to a MR on github :D. though I guess i'll find the way |
| 06:18.58 | freemangordon | *though |
| 06:19.13 | romaxa | freemangordon: I guess it make sense to do it that way... some stuff which is your temporary hack (like python) you can keep only in your clone, and merge rest into main repo |
| 06:19.24 | freemangordon | yep |
| 06:19.24 | romaxa | freemangordon: as soon it ready |
| 06:19.32 | freemangordon | agree |
| 06:19.42 | freemangordon | ok, i'll clone it |
| 06:20.10 | romaxa | freemangordon: and when you got python2.7 in your sdk you can remove that change from your repo too |
| 06:20.12 | Sc0rpius | well.... I get a "Hash Sum mismatch" from that mirror of community-testing |
| 06:20.15 | Sc0rpius | the whole universe is against me |
| 06:20.23 | freemangordon | romaxa: what branch? |
| 06:20.46 | romaxa | freemangordon: embedlite |
| 06:20.57 | freemangordon | ok |
| 06:21.13 | freemangordon | ok, forked |
| 06:21.18 | thedead1440 | Sc0rpius: try the mirror from: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1315143&postcount=96 ; hash sum mismatch was fixed here |
| 06:21.59 | Sc0rpius | interesting, let's see |
| 06:22.10 | freemangordon | romaxa: still no neon in libpng |
| 06:22.22 | freemangordon | https://github.com/freemangordon/mozilla-central/tree/embedlite/media/libpng |
| 06:22.29 | romaxa | errr |
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| 06:23.36 | romaxa | freemangordon: https://github.com/tmeshkova/mozilla-central/blob/embedlite/media/libpng/pngrutil.c#L3841 |
| 06:24.54 | freemangordon | romaxa: png_read_filter_row_sub3_neon should be in .S file |
| 06:24.58 | freemangordon | I fail to see it |
| 06:25.45 | romaxa | freemangordon: probably it is not enabled hmm |
| 06:26.17 | freemangordon | yep |
| 06:26.45 | romaxa | freemangordon: that something that mozilla should do... eventually |
| 06:26.50 | freemangordon | ok |
| 06:27.12 | romaxa | freemangordon: also I guess it makes sense to use issue tracker for embedlite things |
| 06:27.37 | freemangordon | though it is nice to have it, it gives ~30% boost on decoding for libpng 1.2.7 |
| 06:28.01 | freemangordon | though I can just use --with-system-png |
| 06:28.07 | freemangordon | :D |
| 06:29.04 | freemangordon | and change the required version number |
| 06:29.43 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: how it is going? |
| 06:30.08 | Sc0rpius | I'm still waiting for repo to update (the skeiron.org one) |
| 06:33.24 | Sc0rpius | Hash Sum mismatch for skeiron.org as well. |
| 06:33.32 | Sc0rpius | at least in the community-testing branch |
| 06:34.01 | thedead1440 | Sc0rpius: ok we'll see why is it so... We thought we had fixed it... |
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| 06:35.03 | Sc0rpius | I will install manually the packages in the meantime |
| 06:35.24 | freemangordon | :) |
| 06:37.53 | thedead1440 | ah it seems like extras was fixed but not community-testing |
| 06:38.09 | thedead1440 | guess we have to roll-back to 26/12 backup instead :S |
| 06:39.28 | freemangordon | ? |
| 06:39.37 | freemangordon | what about newer packages? |
| 06:40.12 | Sc0rpius | done with the manual installation |
| 06:40.21 | Sc0rpius | now let's see if it want to install CSSU-thumb now |
| 06:40.28 | romaxa | freemangordon: changing numbers not always good idea... more secure to compile locally system png with required version number |
| 06:40.33 | thedead1440 | freemangordon: are there packages after 26/12? I thought no packages were updated? |
| 06:40.44 | thedead1440 | due to auto-builder being down |
| 06:40.52 | freemangordon | thedead1440: this is CSSU repo ;) |
| 06:41.00 | freemangordon | no autobuilder shit involved |
| 06:41.06 | thedead1440 | ah then merlin1991 has to fix it first |
| 06:41.23 | freemangordon | romaxa: usually yes, asp if you have 1GB of RAM... which we on n900 don;t have ;) |
| 06:41.29 | freemangordon | *esp |
| 06:41.55 | Sc0rpius | ok now it is installing. |
| 06:42.10 | Sc0rpius | ...or at least downloading it... |
| 06:42.30 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: did you make a backup? :D:D:D |
| 06:42.41 | Sc0rpius | nah |
| 06:42.49 | Sc0rpius | recovery is fun |
| 06:42.55 | freemangordon | well, pray then :D |
| 06:43.09 | thedead1440 | freemangordon: repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ is not merlin's repo right? So then we just have to live with the hash sum mismatch and when repo.maemo.org comes back up the hash sums have to be matched and signed |
| 06:43.21 | freemangordon | thedead1440: yep |
| 06:43.50 | Sc0rpius | at least I could grab the packages though :) |
| 06:44.02 | thedead1440 | yup packages can be grabbed |
| 06:44.29 | thedead1440 | the hash sum mismatch is a result of repo.maemo.org being screwed not the mirrors hence you see merlin and skeiron both giving the mismatch error |
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| 06:47.27 | romaxa | freemangordon: why not to update system png to the latest one? |
| 06:48.02 | freemangordon | romaxa: fremantle is on 1.2, I won;t risk breaking ABI juist for the fun of it |
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| 06:48.37 | freemangordon | and fremantle (cssu) is on latest (almost) libpng (1.2.49) |
| 06:49.12 | freemangordon | and for some reason mozilla wants 1.5 |
| 06:50.34 | Sc0rpius | what Maemo needs urgently is to port and update Qt to 5 |
| 06:50.42 | freemangordon | oh, at least libjpeg is with NEON patches |
| 06:51.03 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: ORLY? what exactly application wants that? |
| 06:51.13 | Sc0rpius | :( |
| 06:51.17 | Sc0rpius | you don't like Qt 5? |
| 06:51.36 | freemangordon | I've never seent it so I neither like nor dislike it :D |
| 06:52.00 | Sc0rpius | it was released less than a month ago :P |
| 06:52.01 | freemangordon | just wondering why is the rush to change API avery 3 months |
| 06:52.13 | Sc0rpius | Qt is very buggy |
| 06:52.22 | Sc0rpius | Qt Contacts for example crash all the time |
| 06:52.31 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: try the one in CSSU first |
| 06:53.08 | freemangordon | I won;t insist it is bug-free, but it is miles ahead of stock PR 1.3 |
| 06:53.42 | Sc0rpius | by the way |
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| 06:53.55 | Sc0rpius | you said you replaced the whole Qt, I mean, you compiled Qt in thumb |
| 06:54.00 | freemangordon | yes |
| 06:54.11 | freemangordon | along with libqml |
| 06:54.17 | Sc0rpius | that means a Qt application not compiled in thumb would still render faster? |
| 06:54.21 | freemangordon | yes |
| 06:54.28 | freemangordon | (at least in theory) |
| 06:54.56 | freemangordon | though I didn't benchmark |
| 06:55.11 | Sc0rpius | if it "feels" faster is enough for me :) |
| 06:55.14 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: the same for GTK, it is thumb-compiled too |
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| 06:55.58 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: though it is not clear to me if it is because of thumb ISA or gcc 4.7.2 |
| 07:03.52 | Sc0rpius | I see |
| 07:03.57 | Sc0rpius | it's still downloading |
| 07:04.03 | Sc0rpius | those mirror repos are slow!! |
| 07:04.07 | Sc0rpius | :P |
| 07:04.25 | freemangordon | hmm, it is big, some 50 MB iirc |
| 07:04.36 | Sc0rpius | 45.9 |
| 07:04.40 | Ex-Opesa | Sc0rpius: Are they working fine for you? |
| 07:04.47 | Sc0rpius | who? |
| 07:04.48 | Ex-Opesa | skeiron.org right? |
| 07:04.55 | Sc0rpius | yeah |
| 07:05.10 | Sc0rpius | well I grabbed some packages from there |
| 07:05.22 | Sc0rpius | but now I'm using community-ssu-thumb which is different |
| 07:05.24 | Ex-Opesa | I get weird hash mismatch errors for some specific packages. |
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| 07:05.31 | Ex-Opesa | Yeah |
| 07:05.46 | Sc0rpius | yeah there are some hash mismatch errors in some branches |
| 07:06.00 | Sc0rpius | and I grabbed the packages manually 'cos of that |
| 07:07.19 | Ex-Opesa | Even in 'apt-get update', the errors existed but they are fixed now. It updates sucessfully. |
| 07:07.36 | Ex-Opesa | Thanks for the info. I will contact brkn if I find him here |
| 07:08.59 | Sc0rpius | now it's stuck in "Downloading 112 kB" |
| 07:09.12 | Sc0rpius | I wonder what it is |
| 07:09.24 | Ex-Opesa | Happens. I also dled some packages manually for batterypatch ^ |
| 07:09.40 | freemangordon | I guess another package from community-testing |
| 07:09.49 | Sc0rpius | that would be terrible |
| 07:10.04 | freemangordon | Ex-Opesa: WHAAT? you've installed batterysuckpatch on your device? :( |
| 07:10.16 | freemangordon | ~speedpatch |
| 07:10.17 | infobot | [speedpatch] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] |
| 07:10.52 | freemangordon | ~batterypatch |
| 07:10.52 | infobot | i guess speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] |
| 07:11.23 | Ex-Opesa | freemangordon: Lol! I don't know...I am using it for quite sometime. First you all disagree with fapman and now batterypatch. Geez! |
| 07:11.33 | Sc0rpius | this definitely won't install if the community-testing repo doesn't work. |
| 07:11.53 | freemangordon | ooh, fapman is a breeze compared to ..patches tornado |
| 07:12.07 | Ex-Opesa | freemangordon: Thanks for informing me. I might uninstall it ^ |
| 07:12.22 | freemangordon | Ex-Opesa: FAM "might" break things |
| 07:12.36 | freemangordon | for "patches" you have the breakage granted |
| 07:12.36 | Sc0rpius | and it failed. |
| 07:12.48 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: check in the log |
| 07:12.55 | Ex-Opesa | Yeah. |
| 07:12.58 | Ex-Opesa | Anyway. I will leave to shower and then work. Thank everyone! |
| 07:13.15 | Sc0rpius | where's the log |
| 07:13.22 | freemangordon | in the menu? |
| 07:13.23 | Sc0rpius | oh inside the app |
| 07:13.28 | Sc0rpius | I was looking at /var/log :( |
| 07:13.37 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 07:14.12 | Sc0rpius | failed to fetch libidn11_0.6.5-1_armel.deb |
| 07:14.17 | Sc0rpius | from extras-testing |
| 07:14.26 | freemangordon | extras-testing?!? |
| 07:14.27 | Sc0rpius | that's crazy |
| 07:14.49 | freemangordon | hmm, wait to see what apt-cache knows about that |
| 07:15.32 | Sc0rpius | I wonder why it needs that |
| 07:16.29 | freemangordon | Installed: 0.6.5-1 |
| 07:16.47 | freemangordon | NFC, but thanks for reporting |
| 07:16.59 | freemangordon | I guess it is libcurl that wants that |
| 07:17.09 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: install it by hand |
| 07:17.12 | Sc0rpius | but I also have installed it |
| 07:17.17 | freemangordon | good |
| 07:17.19 | Sc0rpius | no, it says "rc" |
| 07:17.28 | freemangordon | rc? |
| 07:17.36 | Sc0rpius | root:/var/log# dpkg -l | grep libidn |
| 07:17.37 | Sc0rpius | rc libidn11 0.6.5-1 GNU libidn library, implementation of IETF I |
| 07:17.46 | Sc0rpius | I'll install it manually |
| 07:17.52 | freemangordon | ok |
| 07:20.34 | Sc0rpius | ok trying again |
| 07:21.33 | Sc0rpius | it's updating |
| 07:21.38 | Sc0rpius | it closed everything even my SSH sessions |
| 07:21.44 | freemangordon | nice |
| 07:21.56 | Sc0rpius | you should put that libidn11 in the community-testing repo |
| 07:22.14 | freemangordon | for sure. and we need to check who needs it |
| 07:22.27 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ^^^ |
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| 07:29.48 | Sc0rpius | well it seems it finished, and rebooted |
| 07:30.19 | Sc0rpius | all my icons are there |
| 07:30.39 | freemangordon | nice |
| 07:32.21 | Sc0rpius | but Yappari crashes |
| 07:32.44 | freemangordon | baad |
| 07:32.57 | Sc0rpius | trying again |
| 07:33.04 | freemangordon | try something else |
| 07:33.04 | Sc0rpius | this time it worked |
| 07:33.24 | freemangordon | hmm, we should report that to the develper :P |
| 07:33.31 | Sc0rpius | hhehehehe |
| 07:37.01 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: try microb |
| 07:37.07 | freemangordon | to see the difference |
| 07:37.55 | Sc0rpius | it scrolls faster |
| 07:38.08 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 07:38.44 | Sc0rpius | and the "milimetered page" doesn't appear :) |
| 07:38.51 | kerio | :D |
| 07:38.59 | freemangordon | yep, renders like mad :D |
| 07:39.04 | kerio | as a wise man once said, ^ |
| 07:39.07 | Sc0rpius | you know stupid microb shows a milimitered page when it is rendering |
| 07:39.08 | freemangordon | ;) |
| 07:39.08 | kerio | dammit fmg |
| 07:39.12 | Sc0rpius | I don't see it now |
| 07:39.28 | kerio | Sc0rpius: well, it still does, if you have a very complicated page |
| 07:39.35 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 07:39.42 | Sc0rpius | too bad Facebook still tells me that I should upgrade my browser |
| 07:39.55 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: just ignore that |
| 07:40.12 | kerio | anyway, HAM will not work properly with mirrors |
| 07:41.12 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: actually FB is usable on -thumb |
| 07:41.15 | Sc0rpius | TwimGo seems smoother as well |
| 07:41.18 | kerio | because of the fscking domain thing |
| 07:41.49 | freemangordon | (desktop site that is) |
| 07:41.51 | kerio | Sc0rpius: half of fremantle has been recompiled with a smaller ISA and with a much better compiler |
| 07:42.04 | Sc0rpius | nice |
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| 07:42.17 | kerio | the whole thing is faster |
| 07:42.42 | Sc0rpius | what about something more demanding, like YouTube |
| 07:42.51 | Sc0rpius | let's see youtube on microb |
| 07:42.51 | kerio | flash player still sucks |
| 07:43.04 | kerio | just use cutetube |
| 07:43.09 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: you may want to shortens your transitions a bit, then you'll see how h-d performs |
| 07:43.39 | Sc0rpius | cutetube doesn't use flash? |
| 07:43.47 | freemangordon | no, afaik |
| 07:43.48 | kerio | it uses mafw |
| 07:44.09 | kerio | hell, if you want, it opens things in Media Player |
| 07:44.49 | freemangordon | hmm, seems I was able to force mozilla to build with system png :D |
| 07:44.54 | kerio | you can also install a microb extension to get the link to the .mp4, to watch in mediaplayer |
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| 07:46.11 | Sc0rpius | that's what iPhones/iPad do I guess |
| 07:46.13 | Sc0rpius | since they don't have flash |
| 07:46.31 | freemangordon | no, apple reencodes flash |
| 07:46.33 | freemangordon | afaik |
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| 07:57.14 | Sc0rpius | hmm but now microb doesn't rotate :( |
| 07:57.20 | Sc0rpius | even though the whole phone does |
| 07:57.48 | Sc0rpius | it disabled the option inside microb! |
| 07:57.48 | Sc0rpius | weird. |
| 07:57.51 | Sc0rpius | it rotates now. |
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| 08:30.25 | kerio | freemangordon: nah, youtube (re)encodes for the ithings |
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| 08:43.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: I got 2 PM on tmo(!) like "error: can't post to any topic". Isn't r/o meant to also apply for PM? |
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| 08:49.29 | ivgalvez | maybe the sending operation is performed before writing the message in the DB |
| 08:49.55 | ivgalvez | have you received the email or it's actually stored in you tmo account? |
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| 09:10.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | both |
| 09:10.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I can thank again |
| 09:11.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I may not quote/answer, but the button is there again and I get *very* weird msg about my privileges not sufficient |
| 09:12.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | also I recommend to change a small but significant detail in design of new tmo server GUI, so you can instantly distinguish both, on every page |
| 09:13.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | poor example: change "maemo.org" headline to "new maemo.org" |
| 09:13.26 | thedead1440 | or maemo.orgV2 |
| 09:14.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply change the color or font |
| 09:16.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | how about changing the white links "INTRO DOWNLOADS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT NEWS TALK" to orange? |
| 09:16.54 | thedead1440 | or the maemo.org logo has " - Independent" next to it? |
| 09:17.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not yet ;-) |
| 09:17.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | moo thedead1440 |
| 09:17.41 | thedead1440 | boo DocScrutinizer05 :p |
| 09:18.09 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: only posting is disabled afaik |
| 09:19.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: immediately after I noticed to Reggie in query that he failed to block editing for classic-light theme for me at least, he managed to remove edit and post and thanks buttons from everything |
| 09:19.47 | chem|st | well |
| 09:20.07 | ivgalvez | chem|st we also need to put the donation logo |
| 09:20.18 | ivgalvez | instead of the Council election for example |
| 09:20.52 | ivgalvez | any QML guru here? |
| 09:21.04 | ivgalvez | I'm suffering this nasty bug https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-26243 |
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| 09:21.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and this new msg about my privileges when I click "answer": >> joerg_rw, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons: Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?...<< |
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| 09:21.49 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: i've the same thing; its universal |
| 09:22.01 | thedead1440 | but I have always been able to Thank a post |
| 09:22.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | other users are severely pissed of "beeing bounced as a noob" |
| 09:22.13 | ivgalvez | using QML Loader to load an element and then reloading with a null source does not free the memory, it even consumes more resources |
| 09:23.58 | chem|st | ivgalvez: DocScrutinizer05 : sry dudes but reggie did not give away any flowers for old tmo |
| 09:24.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | still no indication whatsoever about the r/o state in classic-light theme |
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| 09:24.38 | lunde | all mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2013-01-17.log.html |
| 09:25.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 09:25.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 09:25.08 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: I told him to keep you able to edit posts... so I am not wondering about that! |
| 09:25.10 | lunde | had council received khm resume |
| 09:25.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: I'm not |
| 09:25.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | or am I? |
| 09:25.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, no edit button |
| 09:26.00 | chem|st | what happens when you hit edit on the "move" post |
| 09:26.19 | chem|st | and you say it is theme dependant?! |
| 09:26.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, I'm not constantly switching themes |
| 09:27.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I however *never* had a useful thanks button on tmo theme |
| 09:27.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | (konqueror) |
| 09:28.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I can't say what's unusual in tmo theme right now, since I didn't use it for ~3 years now |
| 09:29.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I switched to tmo theme when I noticed I could edit and post despite Reggie said it's blocked now |
| 09:29.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I guess same time Reggie changed stuff regarding that, so I can't even tell how tmo theme looked at that time |
| 09:31.57 | chem|st | someone messed up the new server or is it just me not getting an index.php when entering the ip? |
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| 09:54.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 09:54.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: what index.php? |
| 09:54.39 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: browsing to the new servers ip gives me a _blank_ white page |
| 09:54.58 | chem|st | adding /index.php gives me a kind of broken theme tmo |
| 09:55.17 | chem|st | I was wondering if my caches are messed up or if it is the server |
| 09:55.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never did that ;-) |
| 09:55.38 | chem|st | that was working for me after the first install and testing |
| 09:55.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://188.117.59.209/showthread.php?p=1314433#post1314433 -> "" TMO is moving to this new server. We will be back soon when the DNS change is complete."" |
| 09:56.20 | jon_y | sounds like virtual hosting |
| 09:56.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | same of course for any other sub-page |
| 09:57.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I haven't tested yet if maybe somebody already implemented my suggested dual vhost solution |
| 09:57.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | we might need it since Nokia is slow with DNS changes, and they are getting even slower |
| 09:57.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | not faster |
| 09:58.13 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: what do you want to tell? that the post numbers changed? |
| 09:58.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | eh? no |
| 09:58.55 | chem|st | what then? when I open your showthread link I get to some page about screenbrightness |
| 09:59.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I want to tell you about this "" TMO is moving to this new server. We will be back soon when the DNS change is complete."" message I get regardless of which page on this new IP I call up |
| 09:59.38 | chem|st | what happens for you with 188.117.59.209 only ? |
| 10:00.03 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: oh that I do not get |
| 10:00.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | zilch |
| 10:00.26 | chem|st | I get a blank page on bare ip |
| 10:00.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even that actually, it's a non-rendering page |
| 10:00.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | "waiting for reply" |
| 10:00.57 | chem|st | my admin account looks like having its balls ripped off... |
| 10:01.26 | chem|st | non-rendering page? |
| 10:01.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | you got etc7hosts hack? |
| 10:01.58 | chem|st | not at work |
| 10:02.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://188.117.59.209/index.php gives me same msg |
| 10:02.42 | chem|st | browser cache? |
| 10:03.05 | chem|st | oh maybe it is because of my admin cookie |
| 10:03.19 | jon_y | vhost means the httpd server actually looks at the http HOST argument |
| 10:03.24 | jon_y | not sure if this is the case |
| 10:03.32 | jon_y | sending an IP address means no HOST |
| 10:03.57 | jon_y | different HOST, on the same ip == vhost |
| 10:03.59 | chem|st | jon_y: it worked for ip so starting setup was without vhosts |
| 10:04.16 | jon_y | maybe the css/image resource needed it? |
| 10:04.20 | chem|st | jon_y: and it would have been me or reggie setting that up... |
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| 10:04.31 | chem|st | it was working without! |
| 10:04.42 | jon_y | ok |
| 10:04.57 | chem|st | now it is not |
| 10:05.10 | jon_y | check server logs? |
| 10:05.31 | chem|st | maybe someone asked reggie to setup that senseless starting page telling to alter hosts file -_- |
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| 10:06.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | no vhosts set up yet, same for hosts-patch and IP, I get blank page for root page, message for everything else |
| 10:06.31 | chem|st | do you have a login button? or are you logged in? |
| 10:06.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I am logged in |
| 10:06.46 | chem|st | ok |
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| 10:07.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly this sucks |
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| 10:07.17 | chem|st | I do not have any info from reggie yet |
| 10:07.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | the info from Reggie is 2i'm done" |
| 10:07.43 | chem|st | hmm |
| 10:07.59 | chem|st | when was that (date UTC) |
| 10:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-17 06:26:18] <reggie_> all done |
| 10:09.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-17 06:30:12] <DocScrutinizer05> ooh |
| 10:09.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's CET |
| 10:09.41 | chem|st | did anyone check if it was working properly? |
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| 10:10.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | it worked exactly like it does right now, he blocked the new server with msg "" TMO is moving to this new server. We will be back soon when the DNS change is complete."" |
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| 10:10.40 | chem|st | fsck $home just went down... |
| 10:10.46 | chem|st | for what reason? |
| 10:10.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | old server been supposedly put into r/o mode |
| 10:11.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 10:11.18 | chem|st | that is "NOT WORKING" |
| 10:12.01 | chem|st | working is you type the ip in your browser and get exact same page as with talk.maemo.org but without writelock and message telling you that |
| 10:12.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* I think I explained to whole chan incl you in loving verbosity why Reggie thinks it's not a good idea to have spiders index the new IP |
| 10:12.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | you bitched about my stupid idea how to fix it |
| 10:12.42 | chem|st | fucking what?! |
| 10:13.59 | chem|st | cannot remember any spider indexing fuckup, and I bitched about vhosts setup for telling people how to alter their hosts file |
| 10:14.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-17 13:08:54] <qwazix> chem|st, DocScrutinizer just threw the idea to allow access to new tmo to people with updated host files |
| 10:14.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-17 13:09:54] <qwazix> (apache will check host name request and show new tmo, or if someone just types the ip in the browser the landing page can have instructions how to edit hosts file) |
| 10:14.44 | chem|st | yeah fucking bullshit |
| 10:14.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | RTFchanlog |
| 10:14.59 | chem|st | the IP resolves in new TMO no need to set anything up! |
| 10:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | >:-( |
| 10:15.30 | chem|st | doing what you tell would be the fuckup! |
| 10:15.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *several times* elaborated on why Reggie doesn't want spiders to index that new IP, others like fmg confirmed |
| 10:15.50 | chem|st | that way you could not resolve to new tmo with the ip ever |
| 10:16.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | RTFchanlog!! |
| 10:16.20 | chem|st | reggie could just have set a fwd |
| 10:16.29 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: sry you are out! |
| 10:17.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | dude, you really are not very helpful lately, what's the problem? |
| 10:17.53 | chem|st | you having no clue about vhost and /etc/hosts and stuff |
| 10:18.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha |
| 10:18.11 | chem|st | short explanation |
| 10:18.34 | chem|st | browsing to the ip without altered hosts file on your computer was showing new tmo |
| 10:18.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | until Reggie blocked it |
| 10:19.14 | chem|st | does it work with altered hosts file? |
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| 10:19.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I elaborated on loving verbosity to make you weep why he did. FMG confirmed his rationale |
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| 10:19.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, who got no clue about vhosts now? |
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| 10:20.41 | chem|st | ? |
| 10:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | it does NOT work with altered hosts file since nobody implemented proper vhost on new tmo yet |
| 10:21.41 | chem|st | AS IT IS NOT NEEDED! DO I NEED TO BE MENTAL NOW? |
| 10:21.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I stated it does not work with altered hosts file just 15 min ago, for your convenience |
| 10:21.56 | chem|st | so to calm again |
| 10:21.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, you refuse to get it |
| 10:22.05 | chem|st | the server is setup without vhosts |
| 10:22.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously |
| 10:22.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 10:22.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | we all can see this |
| 10:22.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I confirmed it for your convenience |
| 10:22.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | 15min ago |
| 10:22.44 | chem|st | you can write ilovebigbuttsandicannotlie.org in your hosts file pointing to new server with same result! |
| 10:22.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 10:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | we all can see this |
| 10:23.12 | chem|st | you do not need vhosts to have tmo working |
| 10:23.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | we need it to block spiders but allow people with altered hosts file to access |
| 10:23.41 | chem|st | you do not need vhosts to have your resolving tmo as new server be working |
| 10:23.55 | chem|st | who cares about spiders? |
| 10:24.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | REGGIE!!! |
| 10:24.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're out! |
| 10:24.22 | chem|st | it was a rethorical question^^ |
| 10:24.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | and FMG confirmed his rationale |
| 10:24.52 | chem|st | someone messed up the idea of a clean move |
| 10:24.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | others as well |
| 10:25.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, nokia did, by not changing the DNS |
| 10:25.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
| 10:25.27 | chem|st | you move old - > new and let old point to new until dns change proceeded |
| 10:25.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | get a coffee, dude |
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| 10:25.50 | chem|st | I have a massive head today |
| 10:25.56 | chem|st | good idea |
| 10:26.28 | chem|st | I am pissed again... not at you... |
| 10:26.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | we all are |
| 10:26.53 | chem|st | next time I say I am up for it... please shoot me |
| 10:27.58 | qwazix | for the record, gathered info about the vhosts thingie because everybody asks http://pastie.org/5715822 |
| 10:29.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: council ML and general ML back to normal \o/ |
| 10:29.19 | qwazix | yay! |
| 10:29.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I was able to sort it with ferenc and mashiara, many thanks to both |
| 10:30.42 | chem|st | qwazix: nvm... |
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| 10:32.11 | chem|st | so nokia gave reggie tmo DNS auth with the cname but reggie does not want to move itt? |
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| 10:32.54 | chem|st | or alike |
| 10:33.02 | chem|st | I am a dns noob |
| 10:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: missed to thank X-Fade |
| 10:33.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
| 10:33.20 | chem|st | although I managed two dns servers... |
| 10:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: yep, since Reggie wants to keep his part of the ITT forum, he doesn't want to redirect it to new IP |
| 10:34.11 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, pls reply to ML thanking xfade just to check if I can receive normally |
| 10:34.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not completely happy with this rationale but it's Reggie's DNS after all, we have no arguments against it |
| 10:35.09 | chem|st | he could at least fwd the tmo requests to new ip |
| 10:35.33 | brkn | chem|st: rewrite rule? |
| 10:35.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess he doesn't like to do this since it's work to implement |
| 10:36.18 | chem|st | brkn: rewrite? |
| 10:36.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and he doesn't want new IP accessible with same content like old ITT/tmo URL, since google page rank gets infraction points for that |
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| 10:37.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's when my plan to block spiders on IP but allow users with patched hosts file access to new vhost comes in |
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| 10:38.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | in my book Reggie knows his business |
| 10:38.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I didn't feel like arguing with him |
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| 10:39.02 | chem|st | brkn: redirection... I get it |
| 10:39.07 | chem|st | so yes |
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| 10:39.20 | brkn | maybe i did not fully understand the situation |
| 10:39.52 | brkn | just trying to figure out some painless and quick options |
| 10:40.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | for now we can't redirect since we have no way to block spiders from accessing new URL/IP we would redirect to |
| 10:40.05 | chem|st | brkn: the redirection is painless |
| 10:40.07 | brkn | qwazix: you still the rootstrap files? |
| 10:40.16 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: BS |
| 10:40.21 | brkn | you have Doc |
| 10:40.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | please discuss that with Reggie |
| 10:41.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I tried and lost that argument |
| 10:41.04 | chem|st | if you fwd tmo only and keep itt hitting on old server they get separated |
| 10:41.14 | chem|st | I know |
| 10:41.45 | chem|st | that way itt google will have old server and tmo google will have new... |
| 10:41.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, don't bash me, I'm just the coordinator and the man with the hat on when you can't find a common sense |
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| 10:42.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I won't get involved in that any further until you tried to find a common sense among you |
| 10:42.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | "you" including reggie |
| 10:43.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll just eventually propagate the complete story to community, telling who blocked what |
| 10:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggested solutions, i tried to convince people for the better, I'm pissed now |
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| 10:52.02 | qwazix | brkn, yes |
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| 10:52.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: sorry, sending mail hung |
| 10:52.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | my fault |
| 10:52.30 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, np |
| 10:53.09 | qwazix | by the way we could just enable tmo and block spiders with robots.txt until move |
| 10:53.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sent |
| 10:53.12 | qwazix | thx |
| 10:53.48 | qwazix | received correctly |
| 10:53.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I suggested that to Reggie, but honestly, I'm out of the loop now |
| 10:54.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't feel like taking more bashing regarding that |
| 10:54.19 | qwazix | I don't blame you |
| 10:55.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | not you, but other calling me names here |
| 10:56.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | counts IRC chan tabs and ends at 42 |
| 10:57.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | means, there's other stuff i'm busy with, to enable maemo org future for you |
| 10:57.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and this stuff exceeded the 2h/week I initially allocated to it by factor 50 now |
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| 10:58.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I really don't need trolling (happy new year... you know who i'm talking about) or bitching or teachering about what's vhost and what's current state of that in tmo |
| 10:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might sometimes sound like a fool, but no i'm not exactly one |
| 11:00.51 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: take this: http://mychinaconnection.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/take-a-chill-pill.jpg |
| 11:01.33 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: sorry... I know being stressed is not an excuse |
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| 11:06.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | BMO alive |
| 11:07.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://bugs.maemo.org/ |
| 11:08.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | lists, bugs... what else, except repository? |
| 11:08.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and tmo >:-( |
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| 11:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | c'mon folks, give me input! what's missing? anything excetp repository and tmo that doesn't work as expected? |
| 11:10.38 | thedead1440 | repo and tmo are the only ones DocScrutinizer05 |
| 11:10.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | great! |
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| 11:35.54 | lunde | is u-boot entry ok www.pastebin.com/Ezcy45J2 |
| 11:45.39 | Pali | lunde, why not? |
| 11:46.34 | lunde | thanks pali |
| 11:48.17 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, autobuilder still not working |
| 11:48.29 | Pali | dput/scp for drop.maemo.org not working |
| 11:48.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: thanks, i'll communicate it to Nemein |
| 11:49.26 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, now after minute I connected to drop.maemo.org |
| 11:49.31 | Pali | but with error message: scp: /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle: No such file or directory |
| 11:49.50 | Pali | seems like incoming queue for autobuilder is not configured |
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| 11:55.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | FYI: we tried to re-enable repository.maemo.org and got instant breakdown of whole rack again, causing downtime of several minutes on whole *.maemo.org |
| 11:56.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | inidentified bottleneck somewhere in uplink |
| 11:56.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Unidentified* |
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| 12:03.41 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, another problem. I cannot login with my username & password on maemo.org |
| 12:03.45 | Pali | Username or password was invalid. |
| 12:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: x-fade got informed about it and should check what's wrong with autobuilder/drop |
| 12:04.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh |
| 12:04.02 | Pali | ok |
| 12:04.15 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, try it too |
| 12:04.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm logged in, via cookie |
| 12:04.37 | Pali | on maemo.org? |
| 12:04.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | err no, i'm not |
| 12:04.49 | Pali | that never worked |
| 12:04.54 | Pali | I already reported bug |
| 12:07.16 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12623 |
| 12:07.22 | jacekowski | if you want to i can host repository.maemo.org for time being if someone can arrange to get CNAMEs set up |
| 12:07.26 | jacekowski | or As |
| 12:07.35 | jacekowski | and even AAAAs |
| 12:07.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I get "socket operation timed out" on https://maemo.org |
| 12:08.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: thanks, but yeah IF we could access DNS we already ahd a few problems less |
| 12:08.41 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, try again or tell your browser to use higher timeout |
| 12:09.44 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, any ETA for static? |
| 12:11.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | static should work |
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| 12:11.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | my timeout is already 10s |
| 12:12.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | and 90s after connection established |
| 12:13.09 | dimir | DocScrutinizer05: I wonder why do I get "W: Failed to fetch http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/community/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Hash Sum mismatch. E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead." when I do apt-get update. |
| 12:13.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | YAY, it connected in 9th second |
| 12:13.19 | dimir | DocScrutinizer05: same thing with community-testing. |
| 12:13.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | dimir: please ask brkn or thedead1440 |
| 12:13.52 | thedead1440 | dimir: get the packages you require manually; this has to be lived with till repo.maemo.org comes back up |
| 12:13.54 | dimir | Ah, OK. |
| 12:14.10 | dimir | thedead1440: ye but I can't install wget. :-D |
| 12:14.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: static seems borked for https access |
| 12:15.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | or sometimes |
| 12:15.36 | thedead1440 | dimir: skeiron.org/repo is accessible; browse it and get what you want; you can disable the failed repos and try too... http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/w/wget/wget_1.10.2-2osso3_armel.deb |
| 12:16.07 | dimir | thedead1440: OK, will try thanks. |
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| 12:19.03 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, static sill not working, no background on maemo.org |
| 12:21.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I can't log in to maemo.org. your https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12623 is about auto-logout which might be related to session cookies or whatever |
| 12:21.11 | povbot | 04Bug 12623: Do not auto log out on maemo.org midgard |
| 12:21.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | yay, even povbot found bugs.maemo.org working for it again |
| 12:22.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | static seems to work sometimes |
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| 12:22.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | occasionally I don't even get CSS |
| 12:23.01 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05 and this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12284 |
| 12:23.10 | povbot | 04Bug 12284: kernel-power in maemo.org package interface |
| 12:23.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine, it's a bug, so we won't look into it right now |
| 12:23.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is about migration right ATM, nothing else |
| 12:24.04 | Pali | ok |
| 12:25.03 | Pali | but you know that kernel-power is blocker for more than year! |
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| 12:26.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 12:26.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | you won't bother if we can't get repo to life again |
| 12:27.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly I couldn't care less right now about any year old blocker |
| 12:27.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
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| 12:30.08 | brkn | dimir: unfortunately my hands asre tied with that hash sums error |
| 12:30.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe if my day had 96 hours, and Nemein was a company that could throw 50 guys on this task |
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| 12:49.23 | dimir | brkn: no problem, I'm downloading stuff manually. thanks. :-) |
| 12:52.13 | brkn | dimir: ok |
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| 13:14.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemotalk.com/ wtf |
| 13:15.40 | Skry | fresh |
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| 13:17.58 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, what? |
| 13:18.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed what |
| 13:18.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | 7me checking DNS |
| 13:19.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | host -a internettablettalk.com has no A nor CNAME |
| 13:19.32 | dimir | brkn: do you know if there is a temp mirror for extras-devel? |
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| 13:20.34 | freemangordon | Pali: what was that bug report? |
| 13:20.53 | brkn | http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/repository.maemo.org/ |
| 13:21.15 | Pali | freemangordon, kernel power v51 is not in package interface |
| 13:21.20 | freemangordon | Pali: i mean, the package is in -testing, or I miss something |
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| 13:21.32 | Pali | not all packages |
| 13:21.33 | brkn | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/mirror/repository.maemo.org/ |
| 13:21.48 | brkn | i don't know whether they have hash sum problems as well |
| 13:21.52 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-modules/ |
| 13:21.58 | Pali | 51r1 is not here ^^^ |
| 13:22.25 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, have maemo servers IPV6? |
| 13:22.36 | freemangordon | Pali: I see |
| 13:23.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: host -a wiki.maemo.org |
| 13:24.06 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, I see that there is no AAAA record, but I'm asking if servers has ipv6... |
| 13:24.09 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts is down |
| 13:24.13 | GeneralAntilles | No longer needed, I take it? |
| 13:24.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 13:24.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | obsolete |
| 13:24.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | the similarly named file there have still all the info |
| 13:25.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: al the DNS changes are done, and we are back to normal, except for autobuilder, tmo and repo, which all are not fixable via etc/hosts hack |
| 13:26.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | well tmo was, if Reggie and chem|st could agree on one of the possible solutions |
| 13:27.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | right now both old *and* new tmo are in r/o mode |
| 13:28.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | we either could forward from old to new tmo, or we could completely block old tmo and put a boilerplate there telling users to hack their etc/hosts |
| 13:28.18 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, why reggie not updating his DNS A record to point to new TMO server? |
| 13:28.44 | Pali | nokia still has CNAME to ITT |
| 13:28.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I guess because of http://internettablettalk.com |
| 13:29.22 | merlin1991 | phew maemo.org loads superslow |
| 13:29.23 | Pali | talk.maemo.org. 300 IN CNAME forums.internettablettalk.com. |
| 13:29.23 | Pali | forums.internettablettalk.com. 14400 IN A 74.86.202.247 |
| 13:29.52 | Pali | why not add new forums.internettablettalk.com. IN A new_ip? |
| 13:30.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly I dunno |
| 13:30.06 | Pali | this can fix problem until nokia update TMO A record ^^^ |
| 13:30.48 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, can you ask reggie? |
| 13:30.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | No F*ing Clue |
| 13:31.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I gave up on it |
| 13:32.20 | Pali | internettablettalk.com. 85850 IN NS ns1.reggiesuplido.com. |
| 13:32.28 | Pali | reggie has own NS |
| 13:32.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, i'm aware of all that |
| 13:32.41 | Pali | so he could update it without problem |
| 13:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess Reggie is aware too, though i'm not completely sure about that |
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| 13:33.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: there's a point in every discussion when you have to realize you better stop. i reached that point |
| 13:34.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | It's up to Reggie and chem|st now |
| 13:34.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | anything about ns1.reggiesuplido.com is not my call anyway |
| 13:35.17 | chem|st | up to reggie... I have no access |
| 13:35.35 | chem|st | I am trying to find what he did to the server to be that way |
| 13:35.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest you ask him |
| 13:36.16 | chem|st | mailed him already |
| 13:37.00 | Pali | chem|st, it is problem to update A record of talk.maemo.org. ? |
| 13:37.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | *.maemo.org is Nokia SOA |
| 13:38.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia recently set free about 1000 internet admin employees I heard |
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| 13:39.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | up to anybodies guess how long they will need to change talk.maemo.org DNS |
| 13:39.30 | lunde | hoo :( |
| 13:40.43 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, and drop.maemo.org? any ETA when it will be fixed? |
| 13:41.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's been noticed to X-Fade |
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| 13:44.37 | Pali | ping romaxa |
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| 13:47.17 | chem|st | Pali: I have no clue, I do not have access to any of reggie's |
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| 13:51.22 | MohammadAG | I swear Android is the biggest unreliable piece of shit ever made |
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| 13:52.34 | merlin1991 | hehe |
| 13:52.39 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: care to elaborate? |
| 13:53.01 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, I have an SGS3 |
| 13:53.11 | MohammadAG | got it in September, and sold the iPhone |
| 13:53.22 | MohammadAG | today, it felt like burning my day |
| 13:53.24 | MohammadAG | and it just hangs |
| 13:53.46 | Lava_Croft | That's the only downside of Android devices |
| 13:53.51 | Lava_Croft | You have to deal with Android |
| 13:53.57 | MohammadAG | I didn't change anything that would cause such a mess |
| 13:54.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *could* fire up a last authoritative message from maemo administration coordinator to rsupplido, asking for changing >>talk.maemo.org. 300 IN CNAME forums.internettablettalk.com.<< to a proper A record pointing to new server, and take down that blocker boilerplate on new server |
| 13:54.07 | Lava_Croft | MohammadAG: that doesnt matter, shit will just break anyway |
| 13:54.14 | MohammadAG | in any case, I thought, I'll just flash stock firmware, and it'll work |
| 13:54.26 | MohammadAG | and that doesn't seem to be the case |
| 13:54.32 | MohammadAG | stock firmware won't even get past setup |
| 13:54.39 | MohammadAG | I'm thinking it's a hardware fault actually |
| 13:55.31 | MohammadAG | but the fact there's a Dalvik VM that's as reliable as PSN on my device doesn't help in finding that out |
| 13:57.06 | MohammadAG | though if it's hardware I don't see what my next phone would be |
| 13:57.15 | Lava_Croft | you can flash the firmware but it wont fully boot? |
| 13:57.28 | Lava_Croft | if i screw up flashing on the nexus7, its usually related to emptying whatever shit cache android has |
| 13:57.42 | MohammadAG | Nexus devices are special Lava_Croft |
| 13:57.43 | Lava_Croft | of which there's like two or three different options in the Recovery menu |
| 13:57.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | waves a shiny new N900 to MohammadAG |
| 13:58.04 | MohammadAG | they don't break as much as other shit |
| 13:58.26 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, doesn't work well nowadays |
| 13:58.47 | MohammadAG | I really wish the N900 got upgraded internals |
| 13:59.18 | MohammadAG | and it's gone again |
| 13:59.41 | MohammadAG | I guess it's a hardware fault |
| 13:59.55 | MohammadAG | it even locked up on AOSP |
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| 14:09.57 | xes | MohammadAG: ....most people think that zamzung devs are fantastic... most of them have severe hw issues |
| 14:11.12 | xes | i customized ~30 pieces of S2 in 5 months... about 10 of them started to have hardware issues after 2 months |
| 14:11.38 | MohammadAG | so again, I'm not sure what to get as a next phone |
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| 14:13.19 | xes | MohammadAG: i don't know.. maybe one rugged smartphone :) |
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| 14:14.10 | xes | ...or better one rugged N900 |
| 14:14.25 | Lava_Croft | n900 hw is seriously starting to age |
| 14:14.32 | MohammadAG | ^ |
| 14:14.49 | Lava_Croft | the HW already was ancient when the device came out |
| 14:15.30 | kerio | "ancient" |
| 14:15.45 | kerio | ancient would've been a portable zx spectrum |
| 14:15.57 | kerio | and it would've been awesome, too |
| 14:15.59 | Lava_Croft | Depending on your personal interpretation of ancient |
| 14:16.00 | Aoyagi | I think that word is relative. |
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| 14:16.46 | MohammadAG | considering a Galaxy Note 2 but seeing my current experience with the S3... |
| 14:16.56 | kerio | MohammadAG: nexus 4? |
| 14:17.00 | kerio | it's from lg |
| 14:17.09 | Aoyagi | So the N900 HW is starting to age performance-wise or reliability-wise? |
| 14:17.14 | kerio | Aoyagi: yes |
| 14:17.18 | Aoyagi | I see. |
| 14:17.19 | MohammadAG | kerio, I'd love one, if it had a microSD slot |
| 14:17.19 | kerio | :D |
| 14:17.25 | MohammadAG | or a 32GB model, or sth |
| 14:17.29 | kerio | MohammadAG: don't be silly, microsd slots confuse people |
| 14:17.40 | Lava_Croft | the galaxy nexus i had came with sdcard slot, too bad the device itself was made of paper or something |
| 14:17.47 | MohammadAG | 16 isn't enough |
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| 14:18.09 | Lava_Croft | Using a 16gb N9 makes you appreciate the N900's 32gb + sdcard clot |
| 14:18.10 | Aoyagi | Why would you pay so much for mere extra 16 GB? |
| 14:18.21 | Aoyagi | It doesn't make any sense. |
| 14:18.36 | Aoyagi | (unless it has no SD slot, of course) |
| 14:19.00 | kerio | it has no sd slot :) |
| 14:19.07 | Aoyagi | Oh... |
| 14:19.31 | Lava_Croft | Best device to get at this moment is no device |
| 14:19.37 | Lava_Croft | and be patient |
| 14:19.38 | kerio | Instead of implementing SD card support, Nexus devices offers a fixed amount of space that "apps just seamlessly… use", with users not having to "worry about files or volumes or any of that techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing". |
| 14:19.55 | Lava_Croft | rolls his eyes |
| 14:21.06 | MohammadAG | kerio, I'm all fine with that |
| 14:21.14 | MohammadAG | but 16GBs is too fucking small |
| 14:21.18 | kerio | indeed |
| 14:21.33 | MohammadAG | I use up all 11GBs on my S3, along with 42GBs on my SD card |
| 14:21.42 | xes | htc tryed with a "butterfly" |
| 14:22.31 | MohammadAG | looks like it stabilized |
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| 14:24.45 | MohammadAG | anyway, I see my next phone as an iPhone 4S, if a jailbreak ever comes out |
| 14:26.03 | kerio | not a 5? |
| 14:26.19 | MohammadAG | no |
| 14:26.31 | MohammadAG | it's crap |
| 14:26.45 | MohammadAG | I'd be happy with an iOS 5 4S actually |
| 14:26.51 | Aoyagi | One question. What's the improvement of 5 over 3? |
| 14:27.28 | MohammadAG | over the 4S, taller screen, better camera sensor, better CPU, double the RAM, better GPU |
| 14:28.01 | MohammadAG | but without a jailbreak, the CPU and RAM don't make a difference |
| 14:29.04 | freemangordon | BTW I still don;t get it why repos are down |
| 14:33.05 | WizardNumberNext | freemangordon: repos down - this is quite annouing |
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| 14:37.16 | qwazix | freemangordon, any chance you got the maemo 5 scratchbox rootstrap? |
| 14:37.30 | qwazix | it somehow slipped every available mirror... |
| 14:38.54 | WizardNumberNext | Pali: I do have my own DNS. Do you recon I could fix getting to repo for myself, while using my wifi (I have two APs on my server, which have bind9 running on it)? |
| 14:39.10 | MohammadAG | ./Documents/mohammad/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_i386.tgz |
| 14:39.10 | MohammadAG | ./Documents/mohammad/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_armel.tgz |
| 14:39.14 | MohammadAG | qwazix, ^? |
| 14:39.28 | qwazix | WizardNumberNext, iirc repository.maemo.org is turned off |
| 14:39.36 | Pali | WizardNumberNext, repository.maemo.org not working... |
| 14:39.43 | Pali | you cannot fix it |
| 14:39.48 | WizardNumberNext | Pali: at all? |
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| 14:40.03 | Pali | why do you want to fix non working server? |
| 14:40.10 | Pali | and how? |
| 14:40.13 | WizardNumberNext | I am surprised, as repo is just files |
| 14:40.51 | Pali | but if server is turned off you can write to DNS what you want... I does not fix server |
| 14:41.07 | WizardNumberNext | do anybody know what exactly is wrong with it. I know somebody good for apache and I am generaly good at linux |
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| 14:41.43 | Pali | you can only wait until repo server will be fixed... |
| 14:42.12 | WizardNumberNext | this is already few days - it worries me |
| 14:42.41 | ShadowJK | it's turned off on purpose waiting for nokia to fix dns.. there was a problem with akamai hogging all bandwidth trying to mirror everything |
| 14:43.04 | freemangordon | qwazix: I have the rootstrap, but have no way of sharing it, windoze here :D |
| 14:43.17 | freemangordon | qwazix: though you should have it in your SB |
| 14:43.31 | WizardNumberNext | freemangordon: do you have IPv6? |
| 14:43.39 | ShadowJK | iirc |
| 14:43.41 | qwazix | freemangordon, thanks, MohammadAG will upload it for me |
| 14:43.43 | freemangordon | afaik no |
| 14:43.54 | freemangordon | qwazix: lemme check the version |
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| 14:44.20 | brkn | qwazix: i posted it this morning |
| 14:44.42 | qwazix | brkn, must've missed it |
| 14:44.47 | brkn | in query? |
| 14:44.49 | brkn | xD |
| 14:45.04 | WizardNumberNext | freemangordon: I would give you my IPv4, I have FTPS server there, you can put some files there (after I would find good place for it) and then i would make guest account, which would be able to see only those files |
| 14:45.33 | freemangordon | qwazix: you need maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_20.2010.36-2_armel.tgz |
| 14:45.38 | WizardNumberNext | check my ip on irc and you would instantly know, if have ipv6 |
| 14:45.45 | brkn | 726ebcbce306ae4449beb73d3c024222 maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_20.2010.36-2_armel.tgz |
| 14:45.46 | brkn | 5ced14b7e3b1af8914ae6c0970bd7520 maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_20.2010.36-2_i386.tgz |
| 14:45.47 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: I can uplad it on merlin1991's server |
| 14:45.57 | freemangordon | brkn: perfect |
| 14:46.01 | freemangordon | qwazix: ^^^ |
| 14:46.10 | WizardNumberNext | thats good enough - I do not have to tweak configuration then |
| 14:46.13 | brkn | give me 3 mins |
| 14:46.52 | WizardNumberNext | freemangordon: do you have 4.7.2-thumb for amd64? |
| 14:46.57 | freemangordon | no |
| 14:47.11 | WizardNumberNext | Pali: ^^ |
| 14:47.19 | freemangordon | why do you need that? |
| 14:47.28 | WizardNumberNext | I would like to build kernel |
| 14:47.38 | freemangordon | so? |
| 14:47.38 | qwazix | I'm lost |
| 14:47.46 | freemangordon | qwazix: hm? |
| 14:48.03 | WizardNumberNext | cannot build my own cc 4.7.2 |
| 14:48.12 | qwazix | brkn: can't find the query in scrollback, must be on the other pc, could you please send again? |
| 14:48.16 | WizardNumberNext | tried few times in row |
| 14:48.28 | brkn | i'll paste the 2 links, uploading to dropbox right now |
| 14:48.53 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: you need amd64 cross to arm, or the one that produces amd64 code? |
| 14:48.53 | brkn | i took the files from the vmware image |
| 14:49.01 | qwazix | freemangordon, is the above version posted by brkn the right one? |
| 14:49.05 | freemangordon | yep |
| 14:49.08 | Pali | I have arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc version 4.7.2 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.2-1ubuntu1) |
| 14:49.08 | WizardNumberNext | amd64-arm-thumb |
| 14:49.10 | qwazix | brkn I got ftp if you prefer |
| 14:49.21 | qwazix | and I can leave them there for other users |
| 14:49.27 | brkn | same here |
| 14:49.31 | Pali | it is included in ubuntu 12.10 |
| 14:49.33 | brkn | if you want i upload on your ftp |
| 14:49.33 | WizardNumberNext | Pali: unfortunately it is not good - ubuntu have newer glibc |
| 14:49.51 | WizardNumberNext | and ubuntu is piece of crap |
| 14:49.54 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: why do you need it to be amd64?!? |
| 14:50.07 | Pali | glibc is not used for kernel |
| 14:50.11 | freemangordon | what if it is i686? |
| 14:50.16 | WizardNumberNext | because I do not have i386 OS and I am not going to install one |
| 14:50.26 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: whaaat? |
| 14:50.49 | WizardNumberNext | would need to build loads of libraries to be able to run gcc in i686 mode |
| 14:50.51 | Pali | not everybody has compiled kernel with legacy x86 32bit support... |
| 14:51.04 | freemangordon | don;t tell me x86 binaries don't run on amd64 |
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| 14:51.17 | Pali | dynamic lined of course not |
| 14:51.22 | Pali | *linked |
| 14:51.28 | WizardNumberNext | Pali: I do have, but it doesn't really work on debian for some reason or another |
| 14:51.47 | freemangordon | iirc there are 32 bit libraries in all major distributions |
| 14:51.48 | Pali | WizardNumberNext, you do not need glibc for compiling kernel |
| 14:51.54 | freemangordon | that one too |
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| 14:52.13 | WizardNumberNext | freemangordon: they should, but only, if code is pure i386+ |
| 14:52.42 | freemangordon | Pali: is it possible to build the kernel outside of madde/SB? |
| 14:52.53 | Pali | yes |
| 14:53.00 | WizardNumberNext | Pali: glibc - yes I know I do nopt need it, but gcc is running on top of glibc, which is older in debian then in ubuntu, so it won't run |
| 14:53.04 | Pali | cross compile |
| 14:53.09 | freemangordon | Pali: I mean .debs |
| 14:53.23 | freemangordon | I know you can do make zimage |
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| 14:53.39 | Pali | if you have needed tools on debian/ubuntu -> then yes |
| 14:53.51 | freemangordon | ok |
| 14:53.54 | Pali | foreign arch packages |
| 14:54.09 | WizardNumberNext | freemangordon: I do have glibc for both i786 (barcelona) and amd64 (barcelona) |
| 14:54.10 | Pali | but I did not played with that.. |
| 14:54.15 | Pali | it can damage system |
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| 14:54.52 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: "Configured with: ../../sources/gcc-linaro-4.7-2012.07/configure --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu " |
| 14:54.53 | Pali | ubuntu has support for multiarch which allows you to install also armel packages to system |
| 14:55.00 | WizardNumberNext | actually even k7 was i786 |
| 14:55.17 | freemangordon | so I guess it will run |
| 14:55.19 | Pali | and then use dpkg-buildpackage -barmel to compile deb package for armel |
| 14:55.37 | Pali | *-b -aarmel |
| 14:55.46 | freemangordon | Pali: gcc in ubuntu is not the same linaro gcc ;) |
| 14:55.58 | freemangordon | aiui |
| 14:56.06 | Pali | ubuntu has some linaro |
| 14:56.18 | Pali | (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.2-1ubuntu1) |
| 14:56.25 | WizardNumberNext | Pali: this would need clean debian gcc libraries in system - I do not have them anymore |
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| 14:56.47 | Pali | WizardNumberNext, then compile gcc |
| 14:56.54 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 14:56.58 | Pali | you can do it without 32bit libs |
| 14:57.13 | freemangordon | though compiling gcc to work in SB is not a fun :D |
| 14:57.14 | WizardNumberNext | mine are from 4.7.2 - configured, compiled and installed by me |
| 14:57.38 | freemangordon | crosstool-ng does not work |
| 14:57.56 | WizardNumberNext | I tried to build cross-compiler but failed |
| 14:58.13 | WizardNumberNext | it is always same - it cannopt find thread.h |
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| 14:58.24 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: use crostool-ng to download all the needed source for you |
| 14:58.33 | WizardNumberNext | would need to have glibc first |
| 14:58.44 | freemangordon | then build gcc/binutils by hand, statically linked |
| 14:58.44 | WizardNumberNext | I do have sources |
| 14:59.03 | WizardNumberNext | vanilla gcc, and all other is from debian |
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| 14:59.20 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: building statically linked gcc/binutils is tricky, but it can be done |
| 14:59.23 | WizardNumberNext | binutils in place already |
| 14:59.40 | WizardNumberNext | why statically? |
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| 15:01.01 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: well, you may want to use that in SB someday |
| 15:01.06 | WizardNumberNext | I aim to have all cc-armel binaries in /usr/local/armel so it should work without static libraries |
| 15:01.16 | WizardNumberNext | SB? |
| 15:01.20 | freemangordon | and you won't be able to run it is SB chroot |
| 15:01.24 | freemangordon | scratchbox |
| 15:01.36 | freemangordon | s/is/in |
| 15:01.38 | WizardNumberNext | I see |
| 15:02.32 | WizardNumberNext | should binutils be build static as well, then? |
| 15:02.35 | WizardNumberNext | looks like |
| 15:03.03 | freemangordon | yes |
| 15:04.32 | WizardNumberNext | need to attend some very important matters in tron room |
| 15:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | tmo alive |
| 15:06.42 | qwazix | \o/ |
| 15:06.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait for DNS to propagate to your NS |
| 15:07.18 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: http://pastebin.com/Kn281rr3 |
| 15:07.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | halebop:/etc # host -a forums.internettablettalk.com ns1.reggiesuplido.com |
| 15:07.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | forums.internettablettalk.com. 14400 IN A 188.117.59.209 |
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| 15:08.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | remove the ns1.reggiesuplido.com part, to see if it propagated to your NS already |
| 15:10.31 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: it is almost ok :D, ld was giving me some troubles, but I didn;t fixed it as the particular bug I was interested in was not solved in 2012.09 relese |
| 15:11.34 | WizardNumberNext | freemangordon: that might actually make me going |
| 15:12.05 | WizardNumberNext | but I am not going to try it now, as I have to go out soon |
| 15:12.38 | qwazix | maemo rootstraps for everyone -> maemo.qwazix.com, waiting for dns (temporary download page http://maemo.qwazix.com.oob-server4.info/) |
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| 15:25.22 | WizardNumberNext | Pali: is there any way to adjust turning off point of N900, while not using BME for battery management? I am using bq27x00 for management. It is turning off at rawly 3.15v-3.25v. |
| 15:25.49 | kerio | it's turning off at EDVF |
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| 15:26.03 | Pali | use rx51 bme replacement |
| 15:26.20 | WizardNumberNext | can I get right now? |
| 15:26.26 | Pali | it has hald-addon-bme which tell dsme when battery is empty |
| 15:26.31 | WizardNumberNext | kerio: why it varies? |
| 15:26.56 | Pali | !!!it is very experimental!!! |
| 15:27.10 | Pali | can cause reboot loop or bricking device |
| 15:27.14 | WizardNumberNext | what can go wrong. then? |
| 15:27.19 | WizardNumberNext | ups |
| 15:27.24 | kerio | nothing, it will shut down at EDVF |
| 15:27.32 | WizardNumberNext | I am not going to use it at the moment, thne. |
| 15:27.40 | kerio | but the voltage varies according to the load, too |
| 15:27.41 | Pali | full reflash |
| 15:27.49 | WizardNumberNext | s/thne/then/ |
| 15:28.09 | Pali | if you want to break your device go ahead and download deb packages: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/ |
| 15:28.13 | kerio | :D |
| 15:28.23 | kerio | (disclaimer: it might not break your device) |
| 15:28.37 | Pali | you need kernel-power v52 |
| 15:28.39 | WizardNumberNext | Pali: I would have to prepare image for reflash, as I do not want to flash with stock - I would like to flash with my actuall contents |
| 15:28.51 | kerio | if you want to actually break your device, install n900fly |
| 15:28.59 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: there's no way to make a proper image, as of now |
| 15:29.08 | kerio | because such a thing would involve making the emmc image too |
| 15:29.23 | WizardNumberNext | Pali: I do not have v52 - I think I have v51 and I am not going to check now, as battery is almost empty |
| 15:29.24 | Pali | kerio, it could be possible |
| 15:29.30 | Pali | use 0xFFFF dump support |
| 15:29.39 | kerio | you can, however, get the tarballs via backupmenu or rescueos |
| 15:29.53 | Pali | WizardNumberNext, ok kp52 is really needed |
| 15:30.12 | kerio | Pali: if it's needed, why isn't it in the dependencies? :) |
| 15:30.23 | Pali | it is |
| 15:30.29 | Pali | via kernel-feature |
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| 15:30.40 | kerio | but kp51 has that feature too, doesn't it |
| 15:31.02 | Pali | it does not have rx51_battery |
| 15:31.03 | WizardNumberNext | kerio: mkfifo somepipe; scp somepipe user@host:mmc_dump; dd if=/dev/mmc0 of=somepipe |
| 15:31.06 | WizardNumberNext | should work |
| 15:31.16 | Pali | this is reason why you need kp52 |
| 15:31.20 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: MTDs don't work that way |
| 15:31.23 | Pali | and 51 is not enought |
| 15:31.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | many thanks to Reggie and chem|st for smooth migration of tmo |
| 15:32.03 | WizardNumberNext | kerio: I have images of flash made that way |
| 15:32.16 | kerio | well, i hope your flash will never degrade |
| 15:32.24 | WizardNumberNext | not exactly that way, but with dd |
| 15:32.34 | kerio | or they'll become as useful as a piece of lint in your navel |
| 15:32.47 | kerio | (note: your flash *will* degrade) |
| 15:32.53 | WizardNumberNext | kerio: I know it does degrade |
| 15:32.55 | Pali | WizardNumberNext, do not remember that you cannot flash mtd5 from active maemo |
| 15:33.35 | WizardNumberNext | Pali: is it rootfs (I cannot remember now), if it is obviously you cannot do that |
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| 15:33.51 | WizardNumberNext | damn big mess if you do |
| 15:34.02 | Pali | mtd5 is rootfs |
| 15:34.14 | Pali | you cannot use dd for nand |
| 15:34.28 | WizardNumberNext | I did it with HDD and efect was very disturbing |
| 15:34.37 | Pali | you need to use nanddump and nandwrite |
| 15:34.53 | Pali | but first you must umount and detach ubi from that nand |
| 15:34.55 | kerio | not even nandwrite, actually |
| 15:35.05 | WizardNumberNext | Pali: you can, if you know eraseblock size |
| 15:35.12 | kerio | it won't magically make the bad blocks disappear |
| 15:35.35 | Pali | problem is that ubi must be detached before doing something |
| 15:35.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed it's unclear if nandwrite would result in a working UBIimage with one additional bad block |
| 15:36.43 | WizardNumberNext | but nanddump/write would be useful if I would still have my old routers, but I throw them out |
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| 15:37.14 | WizardNumberNext | Pali: which is almost impossible to achieve on working OS |
| 15:37.45 | Pali | you can boot kernel with initfs from RAM |
| 15:38.03 | Pali | and then flash it via usb network |
| 15:38.05 | WizardNumberNext | but you always can: echo s >/proc/sysrq-trigger; echo u >/proc/sysrq-trigger; echo s >/proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 15:38.25 | Pali | what is s and u? |
| 15:38.35 | WizardNumberNext | umount |
| 15:38.55 | Pali | sync & umount? |
| 15:38.57 | WizardNumberNext | I do this on server and desktop for ultra-fast reboot |
| 15:39.18 | WizardNumberNext | s - sync; u - unmount ALL FS |
| 15:39.27 | Pali | ok |
| 15:39.31 | WizardNumberNext | actuall: u - remount in r/o |
| 15:39.51 | Pali | and what happen if disk is busy? |
| 15:40.03 | WizardNumberNext | which garantee you that FS would be SYNCed |
| 15:40.08 | Pali | e.g. somebody has open file descriptor for writing? |
| 15:40.14 | WizardNumberNext | doesn't matter - it is from kernel |
| 15:40.26 | WizardNumberNext | it overrides everything |
| 15:40.32 | Pali | normally you cannot do mount -o remount,ro / |
| 15:41.00 | WizardNumberNext | but this is from userspace, sysrq works from kernel-space |
| 15:41.11 | WizardNumberNext | and it does what you ask for |
| 15:41.13 | Pali | hm, it is possible to do that r/o remount only for specified disk? |
| 15:41.28 | WizardNumberNext | no |
| 15:41.42 | WizardNumberNext | it does it for all FS |
| 15:41.47 | Pali | so there is no way to do it from userspace too? |
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| 15:41.56 | kerio | that's why you usually do EI first |
| 15:42.05 | kerio | (termall, killall) |
| 15:42.21 | WizardNumberNext | and only reason why it would not be able to to remount is when it cannot access device for some reason |
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| 15:43.01 | WizardNumberNext | with sysrq you do not have to bother with termall killall |
| 15:43.52 | WizardNumberNext | btq you can see in dmesg if it did it sync and remount and see all FS which where remounted\ |
| 15:44.02 | WizardNumberNext | by device node |
| 15:44.16 | WizardNumberNext | s/btq/btw/ |
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| 15:45.04 | WizardNumberNext | ok, I have to go now, see ya later |
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| 15:54.49 | Sc0rpius | tmo is r/w again? |
| 15:56.15 | Pali | Sc0rpius, why do you think? |
| 15:56.23 | Sc0rpius | rollback |
| 15:56.36 | Sc0rpius | and Nokia never updated their DNS |
| 15:56.47 | Sc0rpius | is that what happened? |
| 15:57.07 | Pali | dig @ns.nokia.com talk.maemo.org >>> talk.maemo.org. 300 IN CNAME forums.internettablettalk.com. |
| 15:57.12 | Pali | nothing changed |
| 15:57.29 | Sc0rpius | exactly, but I can post replies |
| 15:57.33 | Sc0rpius | so that looks like a rollback |
| 15:57.48 | Sc0rpius | it was read only yesterday |
| 15:58.12 | Sc0rpius | repos are still down |
| 15:59.56 | freemangordon | Well, tmo is in r/w mode, though I have NFC where it is served |
| 16:00.53 | freemangordon | Sc0rpius: it is 188.117.59.209, so it is nemein |
| 16:01.32 | chem|st | Sc0rpius: repos are down |
| 16:01.44 | Sc0rpius | yeah they are still down |
| 16:01.44 | chem|st | new tmo server is live and DNS change in progress |
| 16:01.50 | Sc0rpius | ok |
| 16:01.52 | freemangordon | chem|st: we wait for akamai to fix something? |
| 16:02.09 | chem|st | freemangordon: ask DocScrutinizer05 about that no idea what went wrong |
| 16:02.20 | freemangordon | ok |
| 16:02.51 | freemangordon | well aiui akamai did a DOS attack on the repos :D |
| 16:02.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 16:03.22 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: what is expected to happen to bring the repos back up? |
| 16:03.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2013-01-18T00:20:57 |
| 16:04.24 | dimir | Sorry, I can't find it, which repository has libneon27? |
| 16:04.36 | dimir | Talking about maemo5, n900 pr1.3 |
| 16:05.49 | kerio | it's in extras-devel |
| 16:05.51 | kerio | why do you need it? |
| 16:06.49 | dimir | Ah. |
| 16:06.52 | dimir | I need syncevolution. |
| 16:06.57 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: thanks |
| 16:07.06 | dimir | It requires libneon27 but I only have found libneon29. |
| 16:07.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2013-01-18T13:55:28 |
| 16:07.44 | dimir | wow, I'm part of the history now. :-D |
| 16:08.36 | dimir | wow, found it! http://maemo.jacekowski.org/mirror/repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/n/neon27/ |
| 16:09.10 | brkn | http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/n/neon27/ |
| 16:09.13 | brkn | oh too late |
| 16:09.39 | dimir | Ah, skeiron has it too, great, thanks! |
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| 16:11.10 | Pali | Why is/was TTE 86400 of TMO? |
| 16:13.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 16:13.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | bash dnsmaster@nokia.com |
| 16:13.50 | dimir | Ah man, I thought syncevolution has gui. |
| 16:14.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | or Reggie ;-P - depending on which DNS record you're talking about |
| 16:14.25 | dimir | Maybe it's syncevolution-frontend. |
| 16:14.45 | merlin1991 | dimir I have it aswell ;) http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ |
| 16:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | waves |
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| 16:15.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk for some RL til meeting startes now+2h |
| 16:15.36 | dimir | merlin1991: ah, thanks a lot! |
| 16:16.02 | dimir | merlin1991: without the index file mismatch error? :-) |
| 16:16.11 | merlin1991 | I have to check that |
| 16:16.18 | merlin1991 | (I never used that mirror xD) |
| 16:17.28 | dimir | :-D |
| 16:17.55 | dimir | It should give that error on 'apt-get update' |
| 16:18.25 | merlin1991 | yeah, though I have no proper downstream here, so can't test anything :/ |
| 16:23.34 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, on ns1.reggiesuplido.com |
| 16:24.00 | Pali | so we need wait 1 day until dns cache expire... |
| 16:24.14 | brkn | @pali that's max |
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| 16:24.24 | Pali | without line in /etc/hosts TMO we need to wait |
| 16:24.31 | Pali | brkn, so this is problem |
| 16:24.44 | Pali | why it was not decreased? |
| 16:24.55 | brkn | don't ask me |
| 16:25.29 | Pali | dig @ns1.reggiesuplido.com A forums.internettablettalk.com >>> forums.internettablettalk.com. 14400 IN A 188.117.59.209 |
| 16:25.48 | Pali | dig @8.8.8.8 A forums.internettablettalk.com >>> forums.internettablettalk.com. 8292 IN A 74.86.202.247 |
| 16:26.23 | merlin1991 | Pali: google sucks ;) |
| 16:26.47 | Pali | dig A forums.internettablettalk.com >>> forums.internettablettalk.com. 3752 IN A 74.86.202.247 |
| 16:26.59 | Pali | merlin1991, no google doing what is correct |
| 16:27.20 | merlin1991 | Pali: I know, but they still suck ;) |
| 16:27.23 | Pali | caching dns records until expire |
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| 16:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | we'll not die from that |
| 16:30.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | a few users have to wait a tad longer until they will see new posts or can post by themselves |
| 16:31.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | If I hadn't suffered a rage this afternoon, you probably wouldn't see new tmo on monday |
| 16:32.45 | kerio | jesus reisenweber, who raged for our forum |
| 16:33.59 | kerio | ty doc <3 |
| 16:34.26 | merlin1991 | hm I checked my cssu-testing and extras-devel mirror, no md5sum mismatch madness |
| 16:34.27 | brkn | 17:15 <DocScrutinizer05> afk for some RL til meeting startes now+2h > go away doc |
| 16:34.29 | brkn | :D |
| 16:34.46 | kerio | merlin1991: maybe it's a HAM thing? |
| 16:35.06 | brkn | merlin1991: my december 26 mirror on another vps has no problems |
| 16:35.22 | brkn | seems this somehow happened early january |
| 16:35.37 | Pali | http://library.maemodocs.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp not working anymore |
| 16:35.38 | merlin1991 | well my cronjob runs every night |
| 16:35.46 | merlin1991 | and the system seems to work |
| 16:35.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | thinks his idea of RL is pretty rotten |
| 16:35.58 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's cold outside! |
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| 16:36.05 | merlin1991 | kerio: that's good for skiing! |
| 16:36.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 16:36.41 | kerio | merlin1991: but skiing sucks! |
| 16:36.48 | merlin1991 | rly? |
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| 16:37.07 | kerio | yep |
| 16:37.16 | merlin1991 | how come? |
| 16:37.22 | brkn | merlin1991: need to compare our mirror.lists |
| 16:37.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: that sounds natsy |
| 16:37.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | nasty even |
| 16:38.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: did you mention this location for update by our global update project? |
| 16:38.31 | Pali | I forgot |
| 16:38.35 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: points to akamai |
| 16:38.37 | merlin1991 | brkn: no exactly secret knowledge here: http://paste.debian.net/226113/ |
| 16:39.05 | kerio | merlin1991: that's your apt-mirror stuff, right |
| 16:39.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: mhm |
| 16:39.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | so probably Nokia taking down akamai servers right now |
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| 16:40.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | now we're facing the dirty episode of Nokia going out of maemo business |
| 16:41.09 | brkn | merlin1991: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/0b9694a2/ |
| 16:41.38 | merlin1991 | brkn: that link for extras is baaad |
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| 16:42.06 | kerio | :o |
| 16:42.35 | brkn | well i'll fix it |
| 16:42.44 | merlin1991 | on extras fremantle was pr 1.1 fremantle-1.2 was pr1.2 and fremantle-1.3 was a symlink to fremantle-1.2 |
| 16:43.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 16:44.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I seem to notice our community being lively the last 7 days like no time during last year, |
| 16:45.07 | merlin1991 | :D |
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| 16:46.23 | brkn | merlin1991: let's see whether it works now |
| 16:47.02 | merlin1991 | well you won't be able to run apt-mirror atm :D |
| 16:47.10 | merlin1991 | since the repo is down xD |
| 16:47.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://hildonfoundation.org/supporters/ :-/ I can't believe there been not a single donation since 25.12. |
| 16:47.15 | brkn | sure |
| 16:47.16 | brkn | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4ea4c066/ |
| 16:47.20 | brkn | that correct now? |
| 16:47.29 | brkn | btw why you don't have deb-i386? |
| 16:47.38 | brkn | i took the lines from wiki |
| 16:47.52 | merlin1991 | because I only need armel for device + quick test in sb |
| 16:48.03 | merlin1991 | if I really need the i386 I can build it from the source |
| 16:48.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah |
| 16:48.42 | merlin1991 | i386 packages are only of use inside scratchbox when you want to run the emulated n900 on qemu |
| 16:48.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | if there's any source, yeah |
| 16:48.58 | brkn | ok |
| 16:49.02 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: that's why I have the deb-src lines aswell ;) |
| 16:49.34 | merlin1991 | I don't see the case where I would want to run a i386 from non-free inside sb |
| 16:50.27 | brkn | Pali: http://library.maemodocs.nokia.com/fremantle > too bad i don't have that in our backup |
| 16:50.52 | brkn | oh and merlin1991 in all repos available fremantle stable with rootstrap and sdk installer missing |
| 16:51.10 | merlin1991 | sdk installer sucks anyways |
| 16:51.15 | merlin1991 | rootstrap I could upload |
| 16:52.21 | brkn | merlin i have the rootstrap, i was just wondering why it isn't in any repo |
| 16:52.25 | brkn | aka why is the stable branch missing |
| 16:52.38 | merlin1991 | what do you mean by stable branch? |
| 16:52.48 | merlin1991 | btw DocScrutinizer05 I'm not going to donate as long as there is paypal only |
| 16:53.05 | merlin1991 | no point in transfering money just so that a fee goes to paypal |
| 16:53.32 | brkn | http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html |
| 16:53.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'd be amazed and shocked about the fee for money transfer to bank accounts |
| 16:53.47 | brkn | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py |
| 16:54.18 | brkn | that stable thing |
| 16:54.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | keep in mind that HiFo is located in USA, CA iirc |
| 16:54.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: bitcoins! |
| 16:54.55 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: well I don't know about the fees on HiFO side, but I'm paying about no fees on my side thanks to being a student :) |
| 16:55.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, try to do a money transfer outside EU |
| 16:55.41 | merlin1991 | brkn: that is just a silly python installer, the scratchbox pacakges + the wiki page are equivalent (and better) |
| 16:55.50 | brkn | i see |
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| 16:56.03 | brkn | don't know nothing about that. i keep repeating myself but i have 0 n900 |
| 16:56.10 | kerio | D: |
| 16:56.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | to GB it's about 10GBP iirc |
| 16:56.17 | kerio | you should buy a couple |
| 16:56.26 | brkn | *waves to doc |
| 16:56.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus a few percent of amount on top |
| 16:57.06 | brkn | anyway thx merlin for explaining |
| 17:02.57 | ShadowJK | brkn; you have N8x0? |
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| 17:03.08 | brkn | firmwares? |
| 17:04.10 | brkn | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b5438225/ |
| 17:04.52 | brkn | + 810 |
| 17:04.55 | brkn | + 810 wimax |
| 17:05.23 | brkn | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e9551542/ |
| 17:05.26 | brkn | the complete list |
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| 17:07.44 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: bitcoins transactions are much, much cheaper |
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| 17:08.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | suggest that to ivgalvez in 60min on council meeting, since he's hiFo as well |
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| 17:09.16 | kerio | hm, it was a bit of a joke actually, but it could really work |
| 17:09.29 | kerio | mtgox fees for btc->usd aren't big |
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| 17:10.23 | kerio | well, it's not really a fee |
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| 17:13.08 | merlin1991 | hm I don't have any bitcoins ;) |
| 17:13.25 | kerio | you can buy some! :D |
| 17:14.58 | merlin1991 | yeah sure, I'll pay some € to a US company to get bitcoins (€ to $ fees, europe to usa fees), then transfer those coinds to HiFO and they get US$ (again fees) |
| 17:15.07 | merlin1991 | hey that sounds way better than paypal |
| 17:15.28 | kerio | you can pay € to a EU company to get bitcoins |
| 17:15.33 | kerio | that's the whole point |
| 17:15.52 | merlin1991 | hm are there any? |
| 17:15.55 | ShadowJK | in europe, iban transfer is like free :) |
| 17:16.19 | merlin1991 | last time I checked bitcoun to hard currency was only possibly via some USA based companies |
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| 17:18.43 | kerio | merlin1991: bitcoin-central is in france |
| 17:20.42 | kerio | they do take a 0.49% fee |
| 17:21.25 | kerio | neat, their website is opensource, on github |
| 17:21.57 | merlin1991 | is it rails based? :D |
| 17:22.01 | kerio | it is |
| 17:22.25 | merlin1991 | hm time to check if they checked in that key file nobody knows not to check in into source repositories |
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| 17:28.09 | kerio | did they? |
| 17:28.18 | kerio | anyway, apparently bitcoin-central is actually a serious thing |
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| 17:33.11 | ShadowJK | has two new microsdhc cards to benchmark o/ |
| 17:33.18 | kerio | \o/ |
| 17:33.23 | kerio | which ones? |
| 17:33.44 | ShadowJK | Two samsungs |
| 17:34.15 | kerio | ShadowJK: i was thinking of leaving *one* 1gb swap partition on my 32gb sandisk |
| 17:34.15 | kerio | and zeroing the rest |
| 17:34.38 | ShadowJK | MB-MSAGA/EU and MB-MPAGA/EU |
| 17:34.54 | kerio | would it make the swap faster? what do you think? |
| 17:35.02 | ShadowJK | probably not |
| 17:35.53 | ShadowJK | fremantle swap isn't too slow on any card dedicated to swap ... atleast not until it starts fragmenting |
| 17:36.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | the only fast swap is no swap |
| 17:36.33 | kerio | it was more for the "card has 32gb of erased blocks to use" factor |
| 17:36.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | get decent apps that don't behave like ramtest |
| 17:36.59 | ShadowJK | I say "fast" comparing it to diablo-era 20 kbyte/s |
| 17:37.28 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: use your EE magic to make a ram-based ephemeral uSD |
| 17:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas particularly Qt is abysmal regarding ram-hogging |
| 17:38.01 | ShadowJK | ephemeral.. :) |
| 17:39.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | qt-textedit widget in qt3 ate like 50byte per char to display, where 'display' means complete textbuffer |
| 17:39.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and again that amount on invocation of destructor |
| 17:40.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | opening a 1MB text file in Qt3-textedit reliably put my lean laptop into swap agony |
| 17:41.01 | ShadowJK | kerio; if using up space isn't an issue I'd make it 2gig |
| 17:41.16 | kerio | iirc i had problems with 2gb |
| 17:41.38 | kerio | or maybe it was 4 |
| 17:41.45 | kerio | image-viewer lamented a lack of free memory |
| 17:41.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | larger swap partitions eat more RAM for allocation tables |
| 17:41.52 | kerio | because 32bit |
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| 17:42.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | so overly large swap is contra-productive |
| 17:42.33 | kerio | ShadowJK: i'm rebooting like crazy, anyway |
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| 17:43.39 | ShadowJK | cool, neither of these have UHS logo |
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| 17:46.01 | ShadowJK | grrrr |
| 17:46.08 | ShadowJK | I wish amazon hadn't patented easy to open packaging |
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| 17:54.41 | vetsin_ | so what's happening at TMO? are we there yet? :) |
| 17:55.01 | vetsin_ | just a few seconds ago posting was already possible. |
| 17:58.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.31 | Pali | Interesting |
| 17:58.42 | Pali | MCE source code for 770 was released |
| 17:58.45 | Pali | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2008_hacker_edition.php?f=hacker2008-sources.tar.gz |
| 17:58.59 | Pali | also source code of osso-file-manager |
| 17:59.23 | kerio | which osso-file-manager? |
| 17:59.57 | Pali | also osso-applet-memory |
| 18:00.04 | Pali | osso-filemanager_2007.17.tar.gz |
| 18:00.12 | Pali | osso-applet-memory_2.2.11-1.tar.gz |
| 18:00.17 | Pali | mce_1.6.45.tar.gz |
| 18:02.22 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, kerio, others: please look at tablets-dev, maybe there are more sources... |
| 18:04.43 | brkn | Pali: see http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e9551542/ |
| 18:05.00 | brkn | aka there are only os2008 hacker sources |
| 18:05.02 | Pali | it is in hacker2008-sources.tar.gz |
| 18:05.18 | brkn | never extracted |
| 18:05.33 | Pali | brkn, how you generated that list? |
| 18:05.38 | Pali | from nokia server? |
| 18:05.45 | Pali | or only know links? |
| 18:07.00 | brkn | this is part of my mirror |
| 18:07.14 | brkn | my/ours |
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| 18:07.56 | brkn | i checked all ressources on nokia servers, auth' via cookie, then wget everything |
| 18:08.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | meet ING |
| 18:12.06 | kerio | yay meeting |
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| 18:21.40 | romaxa | freemangordon: ping |
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| 18:45.35 | Sc0rpius | looks like everybody's busy in the meeting |
| 18:45.52 | Sc0rpius | but I'm not receiving mails about the TMO thread updates and I'm totally sad about it :'( |
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| 19:41.42 | Pali | ping romaxa |
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| 20:13.54 | Woody14619 | Will return Monday, noonish EST. |
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| 20:21.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: no mail from tmo? please ping chem|st |
| 20:21.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ^^^ |
| 20:22.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: <Sc0rpius> but I'm not receiving mails about the TMO thread updates and I'm totally sad about it :'( |
| 20:22.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: might be an issue with rDNS or sth |
| 20:23.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: please check and ping me if we need help of Eero to set up rDNS or anything |
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| 20:47.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/latest.log.html#t2013-01-18T20:10:36 today's council meeting |
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| 23:04.21 | Estel_ | is it just me, or maemo repos are down for downloading too? |
| 23:07.24 | Estel_ | (haven't found anything about repositories on OP of thread mentioned in #maemo topic, don't have time/will to read through dozens of other, mostly useless, pages of that thread) |
| 23:07.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! |
| 23:07.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | look again, update5-updateupdate |
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| 23:08.56 | Estel_ | ough |
| 23:09.19 | Estel_ | thought, that update 6, "big green letters" "mission accomplished" nullifies that |
| 23:09.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, since the whol ethread is about *tmo* migration |
| 23:10.01 | Estel_ | nodas |
| 23:10.11 | Estel_ | that why I didn't wanted to read it thoroughly re repos |
| 23:10.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the fact that you can *read* "mission accomplished" is the proof in intself |
| 23:10.19 | Estel_ | and where is thread about repos? ;) |
| 23:11.05 | Estel_ | or any other place wheree one can get updated about repo status, without need to harras them with pings/update attempts? |
| 23:11.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm afraid somebody will start it in 5 seconds |
| 23:11.10 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 23:11.33 | Estel_ | so, basically, repos are down, but it doesn't matter, as TMO is working and thats all that counts? :| |
| 23:11.38 | Estel_ | joking a little ;) |
| 23:11.54 | Estel_ | OK, will try my update in a week or so. Thanks for info |
| 23:12.12 | brkn | Estel_: use a tmp mirror |
| 23:12.37 | Estel_ | brkn, thats something of value to know - where it is located? |
| 23:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | listen buddy, we moved 95% of maemo to a new home this week, and migration went exceptionally smooth, and now I got weekend and CBA to get pestered by anybody about it |
| 23:13.05 | brkn | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1315143&postcount=96 |
| 23:13.17 | brkn | but wait for 15 mins |
| 23:13.26 | Estel_ | congratulations, I'm impressed. I hope it settles in new home smoothly ( DocScrutinizer05) |
| 23:13.35 | Estel_ | brkn, thanks a lot |
| 23:14.10 | brkn | resync is currently running for community + community extras + extras + extras devel |
| 23:14.17 | brkn | the other ones you can safely use |
| 23:16.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | thinks woody's suggested 3 days of downtime wouldn't suffice probably for the intended purpose |
| 23:16.42 | Estel_ | thanks a lot, it will do the job |
| 23:17.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3 weeks feels more appropriate |
| 23:17.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | brkn: please take down l2 ;-d |
| 23:18.12 | brkn | shall i? |
| 23:18.26 | brkn | poor Estel_ xD |
| 23:18.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, i'll do it |
| 23:18.42 | Estel_ | take down 12? what does it mean? |
| 23:18.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know, *me* is BOFH |
| 23:18.58 | brkn | ack |
| 23:19.09 | brkn | get yourself a beer and let me finish |
| 23:19.12 | brkn | sync is done |
| 23:19.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 23:19.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | j7k |
| 23:20.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: it means brkn and me negotiated who of us is entitled to take down the server he's maintaining and i pay for, so you might leran something |
| 23:21.54 | Estel_ | no freakin idea what you're talking about, but maybe I'm not in mood for your sense of humour today ;) |
| 23:22.17 | brkn | actually it's good you came along |
| 23:22.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | since people think they are entitled for premium service, till there's suddenly no service at all anymore |
| 23:22.25 | brkn | would you mind to test extras and community? |
| 23:23.00 | Estel_ | but if you mean what you think I mean, I'm pretty sure, that from both of us, i'm the one with much less problem to have no official maemo reepos for 3 weeks ;) |
| 23:23.06 | Estel_ | or no at all |
| 23:23.20 | Estel_ | brkn, extras and community? sure, why not |
| 23:23.42 | Estel_ | sync is done so, actually, all of them should work now, yep? |
| 23:23.50 | brkn | ack |
| 23:24.01 | brkn | or add all fremantle just for fun |
| 23:24.10 | Estel_ | roger that ;) |
| 23:24.13 | brkn | and run a update to see whether packages still report mismatch of hashsums |
| 23:24.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | you finally fixed dat shite? |
| 23:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | got 26.12 repo copy? |
| 23:25.08 | Estel_ | can it be done via apt, or you want to torment me like namelesa one, and require doing it via ham? ;) |
| 23:25.38 | brkn | apt |
| 23:25.56 | brkn | DocScrutinizer05: no, mirrored extras and community from merlin1991 |
| 23:26.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the latter |
| 23:26.09 | brkn | i dropped extras-devel-testing |
| 23:26.26 | brkn | got us down from 425gb to 344gb |
| 23:26.31 | brkn | i wonder what those packages where |
| 23:26.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | dropped wut? |
| 23:26.35 | brkn | were |
| 23:26.44 | brkn | merlin said extras-devel-testing is crap |
| 23:26.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | no such thing |
| 23:26.56 | brkn | or sth similar to that |
| 23:26.59 | brkn | sec |
| 23:27.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin said extras-testing is redundant |
| 23:27.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | extras-devel however shouldn't get dropped |
| 23:28.22 | brkn | extras-testing i meant |
| 23:28.25 | brkn | not extras-devel |
| 23:28.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | dat shite |
| 23:28.35 | brkn | extras-testing was huuuge |
| 23:28.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | nuke it |
| 23:28.42 | brkn | i did |
| 23:28.50 | brkn | besides i have a second complete copy |
| 23:29.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 23:29.18 | brkn | you should know by now i am way too paranoid to keep a single copy |
| 23:29.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | where's our traffic? |
| 23:29.25 | brkn | where? |
| 23:29.27 | brkn | oh. |
| 23:29.29 | brkn | low |
| 23:29.35 | brkn | just added 100gb to it |
| 23:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's total now? |
| 23:30.19 | brkn | like for january? |
| 23:30.22 | brkn | 1.x tb |
| 23:30.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 23:30.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh :-P |
| 23:30.30 | brkn | 1.0x |
| 23:30.36 | brkn | as i said..low |
| 23:30.40 | Estel_ | well, added whole maemo just for sheer fun of [strike]abusing[/srike] testing it |
| 23:31.07 | brkn | nice |
| 23:31.11 | Estel_ | update on progress, will report after 2014 when it's finished ;) |
| 23:31.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't get it how we can be at 1.0TB with a disk that holds way more |
| 23:31.43 | brkn | ? |
| 23:31.47 | Estel_ | some errors, submitting |
| 23:31.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | did we pull that much in Dec? |
| 23:31.57 | brkn | uhm yes as well |
| 23:32.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ki |
| 23:32.04 | brkn | the rsyn alone was almost 1tb |
| 23:32.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | k |
| 23:32.06 | brkn | rsync |
| 23:32.13 | brkn | from the other vps |
| 23:32.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: - Dec though |
| 23:32.27 | brkn | ~ 9xx gb |
| 23:32.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems we got some headroom for rest of month |
| 23:33.04 | brkn | sure |
| 23:33.07 | brkn | let the bits flow |
| 23:33.21 | brkn | maybe i should announce it on tmo and not bury it in a thread |
| 23:33.25 | brkn | *fg |
| 23:33.41 | brkn | Estel_: report? |
| 23:34.14 | Estel_ | looks like I screwed something, as it suddenfly failed miserably, errors exceeded my terminal history backscroll |
| 23:34.26 | Estel_ | investigating |
| 23:34.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | grabcad.com ??? |
| 23:35.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>...full time experience with vmware esx...<< gooooood |
| 23:35.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | (new sysop) |
| 23:35.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | we need to start selecting |
| 23:36.12 | Estel_ | http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?37543ffce5eb2a66#ugDlitSSSsA6jxAym0RxYGluIPvka1rvBxzlx83CvuI= |
| 23:36.23 | Estel_ | brkn, ^^^ |
| 23:36.45 | Estel_ | what have I missed? |
| 23:37.16 | brkn | now that looks nice |
| 23:38.10 | Estel_ | I think that most important part is repeated: |
| 23:38.26 | Estel_ | Err http://skeiron.org fremantle/non-free Packages |
| 23:38.27 | Estel_ | zip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. |
| 23:38.28 | brkn | all failed to fetch is because there are no bz2, only gz |
| 23:38.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | sunprocess bzwip2 failed - wasn't that an error due to messybox-powa |
| 23:38.36 | Estel_ | nods |
| 23:38.50 | Estel_ | shouldn't be. |
| 23:39.18 | Estel_ | well, as proud user of bash and standard busybox, test it yourself to filter out ;) |
| 23:39.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, i'll gonna rm -rf the source |
| 23:40.24 | Estel_ | it would be quite funy, if it would be first busybox-power bug in few years, which I doubt, anyway... |
| 23:40.43 | Estel_ | Even more fun to watch would be how quickly iDont fixes it ;) |
| 23:41.50 | Estel_ | brkn, I'm off for a few minutes - just ask if any further testing needed, will proceed upon returning |
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| 23:47.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | this statement is nonsensical in two (and thus all) ways: a) i've seen that error before, so it wouldn't be first error. and b) I see it again, so obviously it wasn't fixed in a fraction of a day |
| 23:48.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and c) each monkey could check `which bzip2` |
| 23:49.15 | brkn | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87177 |
| 23:49.26 | brkn | DocScrutinizer05: mayb this is ^ |
| 23:49.29 | brkn | maybe |
| 23:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1275195&postcount=3 |
| 23:52.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | brkn: don't feed the trolls, that's my job ;-P |
| 23:52.40 | brkn | mhm |
| 23:52.41 | brkn | k |
| 23:52.47 | brkn | back to checking checksums then |
| 23:55.05 | brkn | DocScrutinizer05: you think there were many changes aka new packages for fremantle since december 26th? |
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