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| 00:34.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: yeah |
| 00:34.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | garage account creation confirmation mails NOT OK |
| 00:35.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | lists.maemo.org probably NOT OK |
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| 00:41.45 | jonwil | does repository.maemo.org work? |
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| 00:50.42 | jyrjyr | it seems to me the dns issue isn't resolved yet so no, repository doesn't work yet |
| 00:51.10 | jyrjyr | also, since dns information is cached, it will take some time before it starts to work even after nokia has updated their dns |
| 00:52.10 | jyrjyr | if i got it right, there should be information here on how to access the repository while the dns issue remains: http://mwkn.net/2013/01/community.html |
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| 01:04.18 | Pali | TMO is down? |
| 01:05.01 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05^^^ |
| 01:05.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, it's down now? |
| 01:05.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Reggie is busy moving |
| 01:05.47 | reggie_ | its not down, it's closed |
| 01:05.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi reggie_! :-)) |
| 01:06.17 | reggie_ | hey |
| 01:06.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | just pestered you on new server ;-9 |
| 01:06.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 01:07.00 | reggie_ | ? |
| 01:07.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | reggie_: what means "it's closed"? |
| 01:07.21 | reggie_ | i mean, the forum is off now since I'm running a backup |
| 01:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | (pestered) meh, I sent a "wall" |
| 01:09.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | reggie_: since basically we're good now with our Firewall/bandwidth issues on *.maemo.org, you're free to point your itt DNS to new server any time you like, if that's what you planned to do to handle the DNs switchover |
| 01:10.34 | reggie_ | well, I'm moving servers as well so there will be some interruptions |
| 01:11.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know tmo DNS is a CNAME to itt now? |
| 01:12.01 | reggie_ | yes |
| 01:12.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you ask Nokia to do that change? since last week it been a proper A record iirc |
| 01:12.40 | Sc0rpius | so garage.maemo.org died peacefully and we can't upload packages anymore? |
| 01:12.59 | reggie_ | i didn't ask nokia |
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| 01:13.24 | Sc0rpius | it seems the whole maemo.org thing is down |
| 01:13.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder who decided to do that change from A to CNAME, or if I'm just wrong |
| 01:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: huh? |
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| 01:14.09 | reggie_ | i can see http://maemo.org |
| 01:14.11 | Pali | WTF is static.maemo.org:81 ? |
| 01:14.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 01:14.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | WFM |
| 01:14.23 | jyrjyr | Pali, yes |
| 01:14.29 | Sc0rpius | yeah wiki works |
| 01:14.34 | Sc0rpius | but garage.maemo.org doesn't |
| 01:14.37 | Sc0rpius | talk.maemo.org doesn't |
| 01:14.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
| 01:14.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | hush and listen |
| 01:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | read backscroll, just a mere 20 lines please |
| 01:15.43 | Sc0rpius | hmmm changed hosts? DNS not updated? |
| 01:15.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: yes |
| 01:16.05 | Sc0rpius | and just now? what a bad luck |
| 01:16.07 | Sc0rpius | I was about to upload a package |
| 01:16.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I can't help >:-/ |
| 01:16.45 | Sc0rpius | well I guess we have to wait a couple of hours |
| 01:16.52 | Sc0rpius | most DNS entries in the SOA has a TTL of 3600 seconds |
| 01:17.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you have to wait and let us do our "job" |
| 01:17.15 | Sc0rpius | I guess |
| 01:17.20 | Sc0rpius | in the meantime, I?m very hungry so |
| 01:17.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 01:17.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | reggie_: what are your plans with the DNS now? |
| 01:18.10 | reggie_ | none really. it's eero who's talking to nokia |
| 01:18.36 | orlok | i actually ran into a ex-nokia maemo developer on another channel |
| 01:18.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, so you don't plan to redirect itt DNS to new server? |
| 01:18.59 | orlok | Intel hired a lot of them apparently.. He's still in finland |
| 01:19.22 | reggie_ | if i do, it'll be after the 20th. when i have everything moved to another server |
| 01:19.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 01:20.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | so tmo is in service mode now, and eventually (some hours) will come up r/o again? |
| 01:20.20 | reggie_ | yes correct |
| 01:20.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | very good, thanks a lot for all your help |
| 01:20.39 | reggie_ | np |
| 01:20.50 | reggie_ | backing up the db now |
| 01:21.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | is it r7o for everybody or could I update http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588 ? |
| 01:21.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | (once it's up again) |
| 01:21.57 | reggie_ | yes. it'll be r/o for everyone |
| 01:22.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 01:22.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | any ETA on when the new vserver is operational? |
| 01:24.09 | reggie_ | not really. the request was made monday. i thought it would have propagated by now --that is if the dns change was made. |
| 01:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, not the DNS change |
| 01:24.36 | reggie_ | oh vserver |
| 01:24.41 | reggie_ | server for what? |
| 01:24.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | tmo |
| 01:25.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | i.e. http://188.117.59.209/showthread.php?p=1314588 |
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| 01:42.15 | Sc0rpius | scp: /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle: No such file or directory |
| 01:42.17 | Sc0rpius | :( |
| 01:42.23 | Sc0rpius | well at least it's responding to SSH :) |
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| 02:26.04 | Snafu777 | So, my battery is dead, I went ahead and decided to do some soldering and whatnot, I now have a hardline connection to my charger.... |
| 02:26.11 | Snafu777 | Im able to flash the emmc successfully |
| 02:26.16 | Snafu777 | however When trying to flash the 2nd part |
| 02:26.22 | Snafu777 | it gives me the following error: |
| 02:26.23 | Snafu777 | Flashing cmt-mcusw... Sending request 0x50 failed: Protocol error |
| 02:26.48 | Snafu777 | in r&d mode it reports: no initfs \0/ |
| 02:27.01 | Snafu777 | There are a bunch of threads on this |
| 02:27.07 | Snafu777 | but the maemo forum is down right now... |
| 02:27.12 | Snafu777 | Would appreciate any help i could get |
| 02:35.12 | ShadowJK | "hardline connection to charger" sounds disturbing, what exactly did you do? |
| 02:35.26 | Snafu777 | Soldered the wires from the charger to the pts on the phone itself |
| 02:35.28 | Snafu777 | Works fine |
| 02:35.38 | Snafu777 | but prior to my battery dying, i was in the middle of a flash |
| 02:35.42 | Snafu777 | hence the no initfs |
| 02:35.53 | Snafu777 | So now, whilst waiting on my new battery, i hacked a solution |
| 02:35.59 | Snafu777 | But ive never had this issue flashing before |
| 02:36.04 | Snafu777 | tons of hits, but all on maemo forums |
| 02:36.10 | Snafu777 | Which is why i asked here |
| 02:36.26 | Snafu777 | gunna try an older version here in a second, just gotta find an extension cord |
| 02:36.55 | r00t|n900 | the windowmanager on my n900 crashed... |
| 02:37.06 | ShadowJK | which pts on phone? |
| 02:37.31 | ShadowJK | r00t; cssu-thumb one has been doing that on me |
| 02:37.48 | Snafu777 | where the battery terminals would connect |
| 02:38.20 | r00t|n900 | It's funny because normally any system-app crashing leads to it being restarted or a device reboot |
| 02:38.39 | Snafu777 | stole the idea from http://renerento.wordpress.com/2012/10/17/nokia-n900-wireless-charging/ |
| 02:38.45 | ShadowJK | and what charger? |
| 02:38.51 | Snafu777 | factory charger fdrom nokia |
| 02:38.59 | Snafu777 | Nothing out of the ordinary here |
| 02:39.17 | r00t|n900 | the only reason i could switch to xchat was that i could click it's notification bubble |
| 02:39.26 | ShadowJK | that's going to overvolt the battery bus on the phone :/ |
| 02:39.36 | Snafu777 | backup menu pops up |
| 02:39.38 | Snafu777 | just fine |
| 02:39.43 | Snafu777 | can interact and everything |
| 02:40.55 | Snafu777 | So you think the overvoltage could cause the protocol error? |
| 02:41.10 | ShadowJK | it'll probably crash/reboot or do funny stuff the moment the modem is turned on, too :) |
| 02:41.48 | Snafu777 | So you think be patient, and wait on new battery |
| 02:41.58 | Snafu777 | Or do you think ive done permanent irreversable damage? |
| 02:45.46 | ShadowJK | Well I know for sure that N900 isn't entirely stable when fed through charger->usbport without battery |
| 02:46.07 | Snafu777 | i didnt think it could run without the battery, and i tried |
| 02:46.13 | ShadowJK | And that power from battery is probably not designed for more than 4.2V |
| 02:46.16 | Snafu777 | until i did the hardpoint solder, nothing worked |
| 02:46.19 | Snafu777 | erm |
| 02:46.28 | Snafu777 | the charger is like 5. something |
| 02:47.16 | Snafu777 | 5.34 |
| 02:47.19 | Snafu777 | vDC |
| 02:47.38 | ShadowJK | Software doesn't permit it by default |
| 02:47.55 | Snafu777 | and about .04 ma |
| 02:48.00 | Snafu777 | Nods |
| 02:48.15 | Snafu777 | So do you think I screwed up the hardware by doing this? =) |
| 02:48.47 | ShadowJK | You know, attaching 3 D alkalines to the terminals is probably marginally safer and a bit more stable :-) |
| 02:49.07 | Snafu777 | hmm |
| 02:49.08 | ShadowJK | nfi |
| 02:49.15 | Snafu777 | fuckin a |
| 02:49.17 | Snafu777 | doing it right now! |
| 02:50.07 | Snafu777 | great idea |
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| 02:51.57 | Snafu777 | Hah, thank u defcon XX, due to the badge, i have a handy 4.5 circuit already built! |
| 02:56.55 | thedead1440 | misses tmo... |
| 02:59.36 | Snafu777 | ShadowJK: Dope dude, Dope |
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| 03:02.26 | Snafu777 | ShadowJK: dude |
| 03:02.28 | Snafu777 | it worked |
| 03:02.34 | Snafu777 | you win my heart man |
| 03:10.09 | Snafu777 | heh, triple As done provide the current |
| 03:10.15 | Snafu777 | shuts off during dots |
| 03:10.20 | Snafu777 | but if flashed successfully |
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| 03:21.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
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| 03:22.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | could somebody help me out with the correct incantation for Ubuntu server 12.04 LTS security update? |
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| 05:19.32 | kerio | r00t|home: the latest cssu doesn't have the watchdog for h-d anymore |
| 05:27.55 | reggie_ | TMO is back up but set to read-ony. |
| 05:27.59 | reggie_ | *only |
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| 05:57.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | reggie_: many thanks! :-D |
| 05:58.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | reggie_: please add a page header to every page mentioning the r/o fact and maybe pointing to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588#post1314588 or similar text with more elaborate explanation |
| 05:59.36 | reggie_ | it's already at the right side |
| 05:59.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | "this forum is in <a href=http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588#post1314588>mainenance read-only mode>/a> |
| 06:00.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, missed that |
| 06:00.11 | reggie_ | yup it's there ;) |
| 06:01.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, probably not in my "classic light2 theme |
| 06:01.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, probably not in my "classic light" theme |
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| 06:03.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 06:04.39 | lunde | everyone is there anyway we can set low brightness |
| 06:09.02 | kerio | lunde: plenty |
| 06:09.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
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| 06:11.38 | Sc0rpius | no builder yet :( |
| 06:11.39 | lunde | well I tried gconf one |
| 06:12.04 | kerio | lunde: the settings menu has a slider iirc |
| 06:12.15 | kerio | same as simple-brightness-applet or whatever it's called |
| 06:12.33 | lunde | please tell more methods |
| 06:12.58 | kerio | why? what's your issue? |
| 06:13.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | please post proper notice about >>URL, plain-text-servicedescription, error/symptom<< to #maemo-meeting |
| 06:13.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: ^^^ |
| 06:13.58 | lunde | no issue brightness irritates my eyes |
| 06:14.12 | kerio | oh, you want something less bright? |
| 06:14.15 | lunde | have simple-brightness-applet |
| 06:14.37 | lunde | yes |
| 06:14.49 | kerio | lunde: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1198881&postcount=183 |
| 06:14.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a patch on tmo |
| 06:15.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you beat me to it?? |
| 06:15.20 | kerio | yep |
| 06:15.22 | kerio | suck it |
| 06:15.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | tztztz |
| 06:15.48 | lunde | :) |
| 06:16.02 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A |
| 06:17.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
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| 06:23.09 | RST38h | yawns, moos at DocScrutinizer |
| 06:25.23 | Sc0rpius | the repositories are still down, right? |
| 06:25.45 | RST38h | were down yesterdau |
| 06:25.47 | RST38h | y |
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| 06:42.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588 |
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| 06:45.22 | romaxa | got blocked access to maemo talks thread... activation link not sent or lost somewhere... resent does not show new link in my mail box |
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| 07:09.59 | kerio | romaxa: mail is still fubar due to lack of rdns |
| 07:10.08 | kerio | so... yeah |
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| 07:16.00 | romaxa | kerio: so how can I solve this problem quickly? |
| 07:16.23 | romaxa | kerio: need to get access to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85191&page=14 |
| 07:16.24 | kerio | time machine to dec 2012, and register then |
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| 07:19.48 | thedead1440 | romaxa: you mean blocked access because you can't post? That's due to the forum being migrated; you are an old member so why would you need to activate it again? |
| 07:21.45 | romaxa | thedead1440: yep |
| 07:22.05 | romaxa | thedead1440: trying to figure why is that |
| 07:22.09 | thedead1440 | then its just migration issues |
| 07:22.18 | thedead1440 | romaxa: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588 |
| 07:22.20 | romaxa | thedead1440: resending activation no email... |
| 07:22.34 | freemangordon | romaxa: hi |
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| 07:22.59 | freemangordon | romaxa: no matter what I am still getting segmentation fault in libxyl :( |
| 07:23.04 | freemangordon | *libxul |
| 07:23.25 | romaxa | freemangordon: did you get symbols? |
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| 07:23.46 | freemangordon | no, binary is 600MB with them :) |
| 07:23.55 | romaxa | freemangordon: I see thread safety problem, do you build with pure Qt build or use some maemo stuff? |
| 07:24.04 | freemangordon | pure Qt |
| 07:24.24 | romaxa | freemangordon: sound like ThreadSafe Qt flag did not set properly |
| 07:24.29 | freemangordon | i just fixed python scripts to be 2.5 compatible |
| 07:24.47 | kerio | freemangordon: why didn't you install 2.7? |
| 07:24.49 | romaxa | freemangordon: did you get backtrace? |
| 07:25.35 | freemangordon | romaxa: Qt was missing a patch leadign to qpixmap complaining. I backported it, so it it silens, bus still segfaults in lubxul |
| 07:25.49 | freemangordon | no backtrace without debug symbols |
| 07:25.56 | freemangordon | though I think I have coredump |
| 07:26.26 | freemangordon | is still having his first coffee, apologies for the typos |
| 07:28.09 | romaxa | freemangordon: could you try export NSPR_LOG_MODULES=all:5 |
| 07:28.22 | freemangordon | sure |
| 07:28.48 | romaxa | freemangordon: also make sure GRE_HOME=/path/to/current/folder just in case |
| 07:29.18 | freemangordon | romaxa: It opens, shows the UI and segfaults in an instant, but ok |
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| 07:30.46 | romaxa | freemangordon: yep sounds like some problem with libxul init |
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| 07:34.15 | freemangordon | romaxa: http://pastebin.com/T4gydsN9 |
| 07:36.16 | freemangordon | romaxa: I guess I do something wrong, but just can't figure out what :( |
| 07:37.07 | romaxa | freemangordon: ok I guess I know what is goin on |
| 07:37.17 | freemangordon | nice :) |
| 07:37.17 | romaxa | freemangordon: ls components | grep .so |
| 07:38.22 | freemangordon | libdbusservice.so |
| 07:38.35 | freemangordon | the others are .js files |
| 07:39.08 | romaxa | freemangordon: try remove libdbusservice.so |
| 07:41.22 | freemangordon | the same :( |
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| 07:42.52 | romaxa | freemangordon: can suggest only try it on stock fremantle image |
| 07:43.32 | freemangordon | romaxa: why is that? how will that help? |
| 07:43.34 | romaxa | freemangordon: something wrong is going on with libraries init |
| 07:43.44 | freemangordon | and QT in stock is 4.7.0 |
| 07:43.54 | freemangordon | romaxa: ok |
| 07:43.57 | romaxa | freemangordon: maybe before that, it make sense to rebuild with --enable-debug --enable-logging |
| 07:44.07 | freemangordon | i'll try to figure it out |
| 07:44.08 | freemangordon | ok |
| 07:44.27 | romaxa | freemangordon: so you will se more debug logging stuff and we can figure out more exact place of failure |
| 07:44.28 | freemangordon | "--enable-debug --enable-logging" should help |
| 07:44.35 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 07:44.41 | freemangordon | thanks for the help |
| 07:45.55 | freemangordon | romaxa: do I need RTTI? as i've disabled it |
| 07:47.02 | romaxa | freemangordon: not sure depends on how Qt compiled |
| 07:47.17 | romaxa | freemangordon: on N9 we needed that because Meegotouch had it |
| 07:47.32 | freemangordon | well, my previous fennec builds work without RTTI, I gues it is ok |
| 07:47.52 | freemangordon | no meegotouch in fremantle :) |
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| 07:49.51 | freemangordon | kerio: it was you help me fix python, why should I install stuff from extras-devel instead of 5 one-liner changes? |
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| 07:50.28 | kerio | sure, why not :D |
| 07:53.25 | romaxa | freemangordon: btw, do you build from my branch? |
| 07:53.32 | freemangordon | romaxa: yep |
| 07:53.40 | romaxa | freemangordon: I guess python trick was added in there |
| 07:53.50 | romaxa | back to 2.6 |
| 07:54.11 | freemangordon | it is 2.5 here :) |
| 07:54.31 | freemangordon | so a couple of scripts needed tweaking |
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| 07:55.02 | freemangordon | I have the patch, so once there is a shared repo, i'll branch and commit it there |
| 07:56.33 | freemangordon | BTW maybe we should port harmattan Qt booster (I guess this is maemo-launcher equiv) to fremantle :) |
| 07:56.52 | romaxa | freemangordon: but for long term it is better to build 2.7 |
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| 07:57.36 | freemangordon | romaxa: sure, but let this run first :) |
| 07:57.51 | freemangordon | there is 2.7 in repos (thanks aapo) |
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| 07:58.56 | kerio | the 2.7 in the repos is some -rc, though |
| 07:59.05 | kerio | it should be updated to the latest stable |
| 07:59.15 | freemangordon | pester aapo :) |
| 07:59.31 | freemangordon | but first... we need the autobuilder back :D |
| 08:00.45 | freemangordon | romaxa: what is -DUSE_ANDROID_OMTC_HACKS=1 for? |
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| 08:03.41 | romaxa | freemangordon: I'm using OMTC compositor in embedd (threaded rendering) and mozilla currently use that mainly for android and has some tweaks in order to embed that rendering into android native UI... so I use some of them for my embedding |
| 08:03.56 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 08:05.23 | freemangordon | romaxa: BTW is simple "strip libxul.so" correct? shouldn't I "strip -g libxul.so"? |
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| 08:06.51 | romaxa | freemangordon: not sure I use nfs mount and don't copy anything |
| 08:07.46 | freemangordon | I did "make deb", so I don;t copy anything either :). |
| 08:08.38 | freemangordon | I am following (basically) this https://wiki.mozilla.org/How_To_Build_Fennec_on_Harmattan_SDK |
| 08:09.15 | romaxa | freemangordon: err... try to copy bin directory as is |
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| 08:09.29 | freemangordon | hmm... ok |
| 08:09.34 | romaxa | cp -rfL obj.../dist/bin mozbuild |
| 08:09.40 | romaxa | strip mozbuild/* |
| 08:09.46 | freemangordon | ok |
| 08:09.46 | romaxa | scp on device |
| 08:10.10 | freemangordon | will do. (once the new build has finished) |
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| 08:20.47 | thedead1440 | is surprised to see posts in off-topic working on TMO :D |
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| 08:26.46 | kerio | btw, why are you using qt for fennec, now? |
| 08:27.02 | kerio | oh, fmg is gone |
| 08:27.06 | kerio | romaxa: |
| 08:27.24 | kerio | i thought fennec was gtk |
| 08:28.38 | romaxa | kerio: fennec is basically xul, now it is mostly dead and unsupported |
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| 08:29.53 | romaxa | kerio: I do build embedding API around gecko which would allow easily embed and build browser using practically any toolkit supported by mozilla-core, qt/gtk/win32/uikit |
| 08:30.12 | kerio | :D |
| 08:30.26 | kerio | gtk would be better for the n900, to use with maemo-invoker |
| 08:30.55 | kerio | but i'm thankful that someone is still thinking about firefox mobile on non-android |
| 08:32.03 | romaxa | kerio: yep, but in that case I need to build gtk wrapper+ui around generic api it is not really hard but Qt native ui would be more popular, because it become main toolkit on some platforms like ubuntu-phone, |
| 08:32.40 | romaxa | kerio: mozilla does android support because android has market share |
| 08:32.42 | kerio | fuck ubuntufone |
| 08:32.55 | kerio | and fuck jolla/sailfish, but a bit more gently |
| 08:33.32 | romaxa | keiro: look at this http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2065640 :) |
| 08:33.51 | kerio | romaxa: by "native" you mean still around your wrapper, right? |
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| 08:34.39 | romaxa | keith: core api is https://github.com/romaxa/mozilla-central/blob/embedlite/embedding/embedlite/EmbedLiteApp.h, EmbedLiteView.h |
| 08:34.56 | kerio | you fail at IRC forever |
| 08:35.04 | kerio | ;) |
| 08:35.53 | romaxa | kerio: which is C++, and wrapper Qt/Qml for example is just QGraphicsWidget hwich provides Qt widget with gecko rendering inside.. |
| 08:36.04 | romaxa | kerio: why I fail? |
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| 08:37.34 | romaxa | kerio: for example here is pure c++ example which render webpage into console https://github.com/romaxa/mozilla-central/blob/embedlite/embedding/embedlite/tests/embedLiteViewInitTest.cpp |
| 08:37.38 | romaxa | ;0 |
| 08:39.34 | kerio | hold on now, so the good ol' fennec has been discontinued? :( |
| 08:40.43 | romaxa | kerio: mozilla work mainly on Android... because xul is slow, so noone is working on XUL Fennec anymore |
| 08:41.14 | romaxa | kerio: it take ages to startup on raspberry pi |
| 08:41.42 | joga | solution: uzbl |
| 08:41.56 | romaxa | kerio: mozilla kept it for a while in repository, just in case if someone will continue contributions, but no activity so far |
| 08:42.06 | romaxa | kerio: so now it is RIP |
| 08:42.12 | kerio | :( |
| 08:42.19 | romaxa | kerio: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=831236 |
| 08:42.49 | romaxa | kerio: if you willing to support that go ahead and leave the comment |
| 08:42.50 | romaxa | ;0 |
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| 08:44.29 | romaxa | kerio: why you don't like other native platform like ubuntu,jolla? |
| 08:45.28 | romaxa | kerio: more native stacks will go to the market, more motivation to app developers write html5 crappy apps.. FirefoxOS benefit from that ;) |
| 08:45.54 | tommis | how do i make terminal font smaller |
| 08:46.09 | romaxa | tommis: ctrl- |
| 08:46.22 | kerio | tommis: volume slider |
| 08:46.32 | kerio | well, not slider, the volume keys |
| 08:46.52 | tommis | the control one doesn't work |
| 08:47.09 | romaxa | tommis: I did not know you asking about device.... |
| 08:47.12 | romaxa | :) |
| 08:47.13 | tommis | i had accidentally made the font huge |
| 08:47.29 | kerio | what do you expect? this is #maemo |
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| 08:49.29 | tommis | also is there any mirros for maemo repo? |
| 08:50.11 | tommis | for me it's been down for couple days |
| 08:51.52 | kerio | they'll be up again shortly |
| 08:52.04 | tommis | 'shortly' |
| 08:52.18 | kerio | we had some problems with the migration, they should be fixed now |
| 08:52.44 | kerio | well, it's kinda hard to keep servers up when you're being DoSed by akamai |
| 08:52.57 | tommis | akamai? |
| 08:53.03 | kerio | it wasn't their fault, though :] |
| 08:53.18 | kerio | tommis: a huge content distribution network |
| 08:53.47 | tommis | k |
| 08:53.50 | kerio | due to a misconfiguration, they decided that they had to redownload the whole of *.maemo.org again |
| 08:54.14 | kerio | and they have quite a fat pipe to do so |
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| 09:25.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | idly ponders to turn those akamai server farms into a nice botnet, since probably Nokia will pay for them another 2 years :-P |
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| 09:26.38 | kerio | :D |
| 09:26.48 | kerio | just point them to google.com |
| 09:27.03 | kerio | and then tell google to index stage.maemo.org |
| 09:33.45 | kerio | unstoppable force meets immovable object |
| 09:36.22 | freemangordon | :D |
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| 09:48.37 | teotwaki | ok, this is fucking creepy |
| 09:48.57 | teotwaki | We use TheBugGenie at work, works great, is awesome. |
| 09:49.09 | teotwaki | I just discovered a project that had never been used, which contains 19 issues. |
| 09:49.37 | teotwaki | Problem is, those 19 issues are emails from my personal inbox, dating back from may 23rd. |
| 09:50.48 | teotwaki | Posted by "Jeremiah C. Foster" |
| 09:50.54 | teotwaki | On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 08:12:24PM +0200, Piotr Jawidzyk wrote: |
| 09:50.54 | teotwaki | I think You're missing the point about "qt style agreement" here - We |
| 09:50.54 | teotwaki | *don't* talk about changing license of Maemo software (i.e. opening |
| 09:50.54 | teotwaki | closed bits, or whatever). Whole thing is about transferring |
| 09:50.54 | teotwaki | governance over project. |
| 09:50.55 | teotwaki | That was unclear in the original email. |
| 09:56.22 | Lava_Croft | is there any replacement for the seemingly defunt mussorgsky? |
| 09:56.27 | Lava_Croft | defunct* |
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| 10:13.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | why is it defunct? |
| 10:14.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | web-api changed? |
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| 10:26.59 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer51 what's our state? I see tmo is r/o, m.org works pretty ok (a bit slow) and new tmo is empty. |
| 10:27.05 | Pali | DocScrutinizer51, is this correct? downloads.maemo.org. 43190 IN A 80.248.164.250 |
| 10:27.33 | Pali | I think that new servers are 188.x.x.x |
| 10:27.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: |
| 10:28.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | downloads.maemo.org is not making sense to me anyway |
| 10:28.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | it been a redirect to maemo.org/downloads iirc |
| 10:29.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | qwazix: new tmo empty? |
| 10:29.43 | qwazix | echo "188.117.59.209 talk.maemo.org" correct? |
| 10:29.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | it should be frontpage-banner blocked |
| 10:30.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | yu |
| 10:30.16 | qwazix | if you try to visit a specific thread it shows no posts |
| 10:30.32 | qwazix | just a notice, "we are waiting for dns" |
| 10:30.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 10:31.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | reggie doesn't enable it until DNS switch, due to obscure problems withy google page ranking for duplicated page content |
| 10:32.06 | qwazix | ah, ok that's comforting |
| 10:32.27 | qwazix | on the other hand it's been duplicate with f.itt.com for quite a while now |
| 10:32.50 | qwazix | (always landing there from google and wondering why I am not logged in) |
| 10:32.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep, and he wants to avoid same mess aiui |
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| 10:33.14 | qwazix | good thinking then |
| 10:33.50 | qwazix | do we know for sure the dns have been switched by Nokia? |
| 10:34.13 | qwazix | or that they've been instructed to do it? |
| 10:34.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | I suggested to check HTTP URL, so spiders would see the frontpage blocker while those with etc/hosts patch could use live content |
| 10:34.33 | qwazix | that's even cooler |
| 10:35.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | but I dunno if it's feasible and if reggie wants to implement it |
| 10:35.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | I asked him to ask mashiara to ask Nokia for DNS switch *again* |
| 10:36.03 | qwazix | shouldn't be hard, but anyway, Reggie has been overly helpful doing the move so let's do what he prefers |
| 10:36.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | ask chem|st |
| 10:36.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | he might want to practice ;-D |
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| 10:37.20 | qwazix | chem|st, ^^^ do you like to mess up with apache configuration? |
| 10:37.37 | qwazix | (If yes we got you a job here :) ) |
| 10:38.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | did mashiara show up on IRC? |
| 10:38.39 | qwazix | dunno, I just hopped in |
| 10:39.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm mobile and thus handicapped |
| 10:39.21 | qwazix | znc buffer doesn't show anything |
| 10:39.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | you might query him and ask about Nokia/DNS and about security updates on tmo vserver |
| 10:39.57 | qwazix | I mean, doesn't show mashiara saying something, it works as expected. |
| 10:40.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | he might not even join *maemo-meeting |
| 10:40.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | query him please |
| 10:40.43 | qwazix | it looks like he is online now. |
| 10:41.00 | qwazix | Afk for 5 minutes, i'll do it when I'm back |
| 10:41.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | k |
| 10:41.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | 40k pissed users OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG ;-) |
| 10:45.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | (feasible) should be a dirt simple appache vhost |
| 10:46.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | resp 2 |
| 10:46.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | one for http://talk.maemo.org, and one catchall * |
| 10:47.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | the brilliance of this concept: it works automagically when DNS switches |
| 10:48.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | and on blocker-frontpage you can explain to users how to patch their etc/hosts and why it's needed |
| 10:50.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | and those users which don't want to patch their etc/hosts still have all the "archive" on "old" tmo server, just r/o |
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| 10:52.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | dang, I'd like to see his implemented just for the shits'n'giggles, even when DNS would switch tomorrow 100percent guaranteed (which I don't see) |
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| 10:58.07 | sidh | Greetings |
| 10:59.41 | sidh | I just try again today the http://repository.maemo.org and it seems to not answer |
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| 11:03.11 | marcdeop | sidh: check http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88659 |
| 11:03.13 | marcdeop | update five |
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| 11:05.40 | sidh | marcdeop: ok so for the moment we can use stage.maemo.org in our apt-preferences ? |
| 11:06.05 | sidh | sorry I mean sources-list |
| 11:08.40 | brkn | sidh: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1315143&postcount=96 |
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| 11:25.00 | sidh | I promise I won't abuse, I just need pidgin-otr |
| 11:25.15 | sidh | thanks brkn |
| 11:25.27 | brkn | you are welcome |
| 11:26.00 | brkn | by abuse i mean mirror the whole 260 gb with apt-mirror or such |
| 11:27.25 | sidh | no problem, I'm sysadmin too, and I do know what means hosting contributions |
| 11:28.22 | brkn | well there is a second server up in case someone really wants to mirror the whole repository |
| 11:29.23 | brkn | i guess repository.maemo.org will be up soon anyway |
| 11:29.29 | sidh | btw is there a forge or github where sources of n900 apps are available ? |
| 11:30.13 | sidh | I downloaded the Nokia Qt dev kit, but I would need some sources example for starting |
| 11:30.13 | sidh | my app |
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| 11:54.13 | chem|st | qwazix: you mean if I want to mess it up? no. if I can? guess everybody can! if I am familiar with it? yes. |
| 11:58.05 | chem|st | qwazix: I am not so familiar with ubuntu although I know my way around in debian |
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| 12:08.54 | qwazix | chem|st, DocScrutinizer just threw the idea to allow access to new tmo to people with updated host files |
| 12:09.53 | qwazix | (apache will check host name request and show new tmo, or if someone just types the ip in the browser the landing page can have instructions how to edit hosts file) |
| 12:11.09 | qwazix | I think is a pretty nice idea so that tmo doesn't get impacted too much from the migration, if you have access and you are willing to do it, please do. Otherwise we can just wait for the dns |
| 12:11.36 | qwazix | Hopefully it will be ok by tomorrow, however I don't have any news about what state it's in |
| 12:12.07 | qwazix | (i.e. if nokia made the switch and we're waiting for it to propagate, or if we're still waiting for the switch) |
| 12:12.32 | chem|st | qwazix: usually you set the previous server to fwd no need to have users mess with their hosts files! |
| 12:13.06 | qwazix | Yes I suggested that in ML but Reggie felt otherwise. |
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| 12:13.30 | chem|st | hmm... |
| 12:14.00 | qwazix | Since he's volunteering to do the migration and generally help out I say we respect that. |
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| 12:14.45 | qwazix | He also provided rationale, since he's going to downgrade his old server after tomorrow, he wouldn't like traffic going through it. |
| 12:15.02 | chem|st | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.06 | chem|st | hmpf |
| 12:15.25 | chem|st | I thought the DNS should be processed within the next 24h?! |
| 12:16.05 | chem|st | isn't it on him to change the record? |
| 12:16.37 | qwazix | It's just that Eero hasn't responded to my query about DNS state and DocScrutiniser told me "I asked him to ask mashiara to ask Nokia for DNS switch *again*" |
| 12:16.43 | freemangordon | nokia. afaik |
| 12:17.09 | qwazix | so you probably see why I'd prefer to have an interim solution |
| 12:18.24 | freemangordon | though we don;t need apache to do it, his border firewall can do it with a simple rule |
| 12:20.32 | freemangordon | qwazix: is it a good idea to ask him to setup his uplink switch to forward 80 to the new ip? I know that will double the traffic, but it will slowly fade away once DNS record is changed |
| 12:24.21 | qwazix | freemangordon, I don't want to pester Reggie more with that issue, if we can do something ourselves, good. Else we wait for the DNS. |
| 12:31.08 | chem|st | qwazix: no we can not... |
| 12:31.46 | qwazix | ok, we'll wait for the switch in that case |
| 12:32.06 | chem|st | qwazix: someone having the ip already is already there... someone not having the IP wont see the note about a hosts file edit how-to... so it is pretty pointless |
| 12:34.43 | qwazix | chem|st, someone having the ip is blocked |
| 12:34.59 | qwazix | so that google doesn't index whole of tmo with ip |
| 12:35.27 | qwazix | try 188.117.59.209 |
| 12:35.32 | qwazix | blank page |
| 12:36.03 | qwazix | the idea is to allow those having the ip and using hosts file (by checking http request url) |
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| 12:40.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: you're missing the point, which is Reggie not wanting to see any spiders on the IP |
| 12:40.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | also Reggie definitely WONT change his ITT DNS to point to new tmo |
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| 12:42.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | any spider would read vhost "*" with the blocking boilerplate as is now, while those with etc7hosts patch would read vhost "talk.maemo.org" and reach live tmo |
| 12:43.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, it's a 15min change for somebody with no clue about appache/html-server, who needs to read manpages before editing config for vhosts |
| 12:44.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's up to anybody's guess when DNS will change |
| 12:44.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe never |
| 12:45.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Eero requested it for yesterday 1000UTC, they changed it Monday, but to a CNAME |
| 12:45.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | only Elop might know if they think it's done already, or eventually will change it again |
| 12:47.03 | marcdeop | I didn't follow all the process but I guess they didn't want to give us control over the domain, right? |
| 12:48.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | when I asked Reggie why he needs to block new server, he explained to me that google page ranking might suffer from identical content on a different URL - the IP was such a different URL with same content as talk.maemo.org |
| 12:48.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | marcdeop: the "control over the domain2 is sth HiFo is negotiating with Nokia lawyers |
| 12:49.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | only God knows how long this will take and what we'll see as result in the end |
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| 12:51.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | the server move however is reality, and we need to deal with it. Fact is we got a working tmo which is blocked simply to keep spiders out. I suggested a smarter solution to keep spiders out and still allow power users and devels to access it, even without proper DNS A record |
| 12:53.39 | brkn | 13:48 <DocScrutinizer05> when I asked Reggie why he needs to block new server, he explained to me that google page ranking might suffer from identical content on a different URL - the IP was such a different URL with same content as talk.maemo.org > that's true, duplicate content |
| 12:53.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | and with a simple cmdline ~# echo "188.117.59.209 talk.maemo.org" >>/etc/hosts; every (unix) user can access new tmo, no matter how long it will take Nokia to fix the DNS record |
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| 12:55.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...once we implement that simple dual vhost thingie on new tmo server |
| 12:56.47 | dimir | Now WMO down again? |
| 12:56.55 | dimir | It was up for the whole day. :-) |
| 12:56.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 12:57.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF!?! |
| 12:58.44 | dimir | ye |
| 12:59.58 | dimir | Is this one valid BTW? http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts |
| 13:00.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically yes, but obsolete |
| 13:00.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I maybe should simply take it down |
| 13:02.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | done |
| 13:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you still can find the same data (and more) in similarly named csb and html files in same dir |
| 13:04.00 | marcdeop | DocScrutinizer05: windows has a hosts file as well :P |
| 13:04.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 13:04.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | but probably no echo cmd ;-P |
| 13:05.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | or has it? |
| 13:05.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | do I want to know? |
| 13:05.49 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: no echo, but notepad :D |
| 13:06.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | pukes |
| 13:06.34 | marcdeop | there probably is a echo alike command, dunno though ;) |
| 13:06.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | alike, yes sure: print afaik |
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| 13:07.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo is probably on/off for sth similar to bash set -v |
| 13:08.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | all this might have changed during the 15 years since I last looked for such disgusting stuff |
| 13:09.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | waves and wanders off |
| 13:09.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | bbl |
| 13:09.53 | qwazix | o/ |
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| 13:30.39 | dimir | If repository.maemo.org is only a DNS issue could we get an IP? |
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| 13:37.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Eero said he wants it to point to stage.maemo.org |
| 13:37.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | get IP from my DNS file, see above URL |
| 13:37.47 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: the whole MO is down, not only the repos |
| 13:37.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 13:37.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | great |
| 13:38.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know what Bergie said? |
| 13:38.21 | freemangordon | no |
| 13:38.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | read #maemo-meeting chanlog |
| 13:38.42 | freemangordon | ok |
| 13:38.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | of monday or so |
| 13:38.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have to leave now |
| 13:39.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | support@nemein |
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| 13:41.30 | freemangordon | yep, saw it. anyone maied them? |
| 13:41.36 | freemangordon | mailed even |
| 13:44.13 | jyrjyr | i've been in contact with mashiara directly |
| 13:45.06 | jyrjyr | doesn't hurt to have others kindly asking for them to listen ;) |
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| 13:48.30 | freemangordon | jyrjyr: any clue why MO is down? |
| 13:48.46 | jyrjyr | i've got no information on any details yet |
| 13:48.57 | freemangordon | jyrjyr: ok |
| 13:49.33 | jyrjyr | the impression i'm getting is, mashiara is alone trying to manage the whole bunch. and he's a very busy guy. |
| 13:50.15 | RST38h | Nokia will outsource 820 IT staff and make 300 more redundant, leaving a skeleton IT operation at the troubled phone maker. |
| 13:50.16 | jyrjyr | probably some very basic reasons why things aren't working, should be easy to solve but it does take time and concentration of course |
| 13:50.28 | jyrjyr | RST38h, just read about that too |
| 13:50.41 | freemangordon | qwazix: care to sent a mail to support@nemein to inform them for the current problems. bergie is right that we should use the "official" support channel |
| 13:50.45 | RST38h | May Stephen Elop turn into a giant pumpkin. |
| 13:50.57 | jyrjyr | =D |
| 13:51.53 | qwazix | freemangordon, ok, i've not been paying attention here for the last few minutes, quick sitrep please |
| 13:52.09 | xes | btw...polling a sysop is not a good way to help him... |
| 13:52.27 | jyrjyr | xes, he's an old friend of mine |
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| 13:57.19 | qwazix | Anything else apart from w.m.o and t.m.o DNS? |
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| 13:58.50 | qwazix | you 've got two minutes before the mail is off |
| 13:59.02 | pavi | Is maemo.org down ? |
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| 13:59.46 | pavi | unable to ping to it |
| 14:00.41 | qwazix | it seems everything is down again |
| 14:00.52 | qwazix | I'm in the process of sending an email to support |
| 14:01.02 | qwazix | please try garage.maemo.org |
| 14:01.06 | pavi | I am downloading stardict |
| 14:01.13 | frals | RST38h: got a link for that? |
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| 14:02.58 | RST38h | frals: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/17/nokia_outsources_it/ |
| 14:03.12 | frals | RST38h: ty |
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| 14:04.59 | pavi | qwazix: even garage is down |
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| 14:44.13 | pavi | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1315143&postcount=96 Temporary mirror for repositories until migration issues are solved. |
| 14:44.18 | pavi | It doesnt work |
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| 14:52.26 | Pali | kerio, I updated hald-addon-bme, compiled without debug support |
| 14:52.30 | Pali | you can use it |
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| 15:06.12 | freemangordon | Looks like MO is up |
| 15:06.24 | freemangordon | I was even able to logon to wiki ;) |
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| 15:06.32 | spoofy | Hello :) I just got a polarcell battery. On the battery applet it shows only 1252mAh. What can I do to calibrate battery? |
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| 15:32.57 | freemangordon | oh, doc has removed hosts file IPs |
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| 15:36.23 | pavi | we finally got the major issues sorted! repository.maemo.org still down, but that has no impact on tmo migration. Reggie is about to initiate that right now. |
| 15:36.39 | pavi | Latest news at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88659 |
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| 15:48.42 | kerio | Pali: you are now the man |
| 15:49.30 | kerio | maemo.org is now back to being kinda slow :( |
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| 15:59.56 | jyrjyr | speeds etc. will definitely fluctuate for a while still, it's a transition phase |
| 16:00.35 | kerio | spoofy: one sec |
| 16:00.45 | kerio | spoofy: which battery applet? do you have the bme replacement? |
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| 16:01.23 | spoofy | kerio: latest thumb, upgraded from devel-repo and poof! I have an battery applet :) |
| 16:01.32 | kerio | >upgraded from community-devel |
| 16:01.33 | spoofy | kerio: I don't have bme replacment |
| 16:01.39 | kerio | >mfw |
| 16:01.43 | kerio | D: |
| 16:01.51 | Lava_Croft | heh? |
| 16:01.53 | kerio | bad spoofy |
| 16:01.57 | spoofy | kerio: why? |
| 16:02.07 | spoofy | kerio: ugh.. I'm just testing new stuff |
| 16:02.16 | spoofy | I like to be on "bleeding-edge" :P |
| 16:02.19 | Lava_Croft | I was about to ask why I have been deprived of this applet, even tho i run thumb2 |
| 16:02.28 | kerio | it's not even bleeding yet |
| 16:02.29 | spoofy | now.. Can you help me with my polarcell? |
| 16:02.33 | kerio | >:c |
| 16:02.40 | kerio | spoofy: it's kinda easy, actually |
| 16:02.51 | Lava_Croft | where would i get that applet? |
| 16:02.55 | spoofy | kerio: I'm listening.. what should I do master :) |
| 16:03.07 | kerio | it boils down to "charge until VDQ becomes set, then let it discharge until EDV1 becomes set" |
| 16:03.19 | kerio | then start charging again because it's about to brownout |
| 16:03.34 | spoofy | kerio: Yyy... Ok.. |
| 16:03.35 | kerio | but if bme is running, it'll shut down your n900 before EDV1 is reached |
| 16:03.49 | spoofy | kerio: now I'm reading estel post on tmo about calibrating battery |
| 16:03.58 | kerio | so you need something else to check the discharging, usually bq27200.sh |
| 16:04.04 | spoofy | should I use his script? |
| 16:04.05 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you have the bq27k calibration script? |
| 16:04.13 | kerio | spoofy: sure, why not |
| 16:04.15 | kerio | what's the script? |
| 16:04.34 | spoofy | script is script ;] |
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| 16:05.07 | kerio | oh, i see |
| 16:05.17 | kerio | well, using a script lets you do the calibration overnight |
| 16:05.29 | kerio | fullscreen xterm at max brightness so it's still kinda dark |
| 16:05.40 | kerio | it'll drain a fully-charged battery in 5 hours or so |
| 16:05.45 | spoofy | my poor lcd :( |
| 16:05.59 | kerio | deal with it |
| 16:06.05 | spoofy | damn' |
| 16:06.14 | kerio | besides, i think that the keyboard slider is set to fail much before the rest |
| 16:06.25 | kerio | either that, or the musb port |
| 16:06.50 | spoofy | So.. should I use bq27200.sh < this script with some i2cget on /root? |
| 16:06.58 | spoofy | or something else? |
| 16:08.03 | kerio | i2c-tools is in extras-devel |
| 16:08.19 | kerio | the script doesn't need bq27200 |
| 16:08.21 | kerio | .sh |
| 16:08.28 | kerio | (it needs, however, a bq27200 chip) |
| 16:08.45 | kerio | but i don't have the old script anymore, because i use pali's battery modules |
| 16:09.09 | Lava_Croft | kerio: google doesnt tell me where to get pali's replacement battery status area plugin? |
| 16:09.16 | kerio | Lava_Croft: it's a seeeeeeekrit |
| 16:09.29 | Lava_Croft | well, most of the internet is a secret to google:< |
| 16:09.30 | Pali | cssu-devel repo |
| 16:09.37 | Lava_Croft | ty Pali |
| 16:09.39 | kerio | status-area-applet-battery in community-devel |
| 16:09.49 | kerio | 1.0-2 is the latest |
| 16:09.51 | Lava_Croft | http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/s/status-area-applet-battery/ |
| 16:09.54 | Lava_Croft | found, thanks |
| 16:09.59 | merlin1991 | arf |
| 16:10.02 | merlin1991 | headdesks |
| 16:10.11 | Lava_Croft | say hi to using shit hilight settings |
| 16:10.16 | Lava_Croft | chuckles |
| 16:10.27 | merlin1991 | Lava_Croft: nah say hi to using your nickname in your url |
| 16:10.34 | Lava_Croft | or that:) |
| 16:10.42 | Lava_Croft | you could just make irssi ignore the url for hilights |
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| 16:10.56 | merlin1991 | hm only that I'm not using irssi |
| 16:11.00 | Lava_Croft | aww |
| 16:11.06 | Lava_Croft | i have a seperate window in irssi where all the hilights are stored |
| 16:11.17 | Lava_Croft | that way its a bit easier to disable sounds/visual cues |
| 16:11.47 | kerio | holy updates batman |
| 16:11.51 | Lava_Croft | anyway, sorry for hilighting? :D |
| 16:13.45 | merlin1991 | nah no sense in being sorry for a perfectly valid link |
| 16:14.08 | Sc0rpius | still no builder .8 |
| 16:14.09 | Sc0rpius | :( |
| 16:14.33 | kerio | hrmpf, i still forget pali's website |
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| 16:16.55 | jyrjyr | bit of good news: an infra/admin meeting with nemein is taking place tomorrow. that should solve a number of things or at least give us a clearer picture of the current problems and how to fix them. the repository is still out due to nokia not reacting to dns change request, and that too will hopefully be fixed tomorrow. |
| 16:17.27 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
| 16:17.59 | kerio | Pali: aargh, my /tmp was filled again |
| 16:18.26 | reggie_ | And tmo too I hope |
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| 16:18.44 | Pali | kerio, did you rebooted after installing new hald-addon-bme? |
| 16:18.45 | jyrjyr | yep |
| 16:20.23 | kerio | Pali: no, before doing so |
| 16:20.31 | kerio | :) |
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| 16:24.50 | onre | hi. are there any usable repository.maemo.org mirrors out there? i've tried googling for them and found one that didn't really work, i got a package checksum error for Packages.gz |
| 16:25.44 | merlin1991 | http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ |
| 16:26.01 | Lava_Croft | niec applet, Pali, thanks |
| 16:26.04 | Lava_Croft | nice* |
| 16:26.07 | onre | merlin1991, thanks! |
| 16:26.20 | jyrjyr | merlin1991, it would be great to have that info out there - i didn't find your mirror while searching the forums |
| 16:26.50 | merlin1991 | hm I think I published the mirror at some point, could have been only on irc though |
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| 16:29.13 | kerio | Pali: rebootan |
| 16:29.29 | brkn | onre: https://www.dropbox.com/s/49msyqwuqzi8340/tmp-mirror.txt |
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| 16:53.03 | onre | brkn_away, for some reason, whole skeiron.org returns "no" when i try to access any url on that domain |
| 16:54.40 | onre | looks like i'm getting a hash sum mismatch for Packages.gz no matter what i do. this is a N900 |
| 16:56.09 | freemangordon | romaxa: with --enable-logging and --enable-debug and .../dist/bin copied according to your instructions, it works, yay :D |
| 16:56.44 | freemangordon | guys, mozilla IPCLite works on n900. That is official from me :P |
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| 16:57.02 | thedead1440 | onre: skeiron.org gives repo access only not www access so please add it to you sources list remove any old skeiron lists you may have and apt-get update again; the hashsum error was fixed around 22 hours ago... I've tried it on my n900 too ;) |
| 16:57.10 | merlin1991 | now freemangordon wtf is IPCLite? |
| 16:57.31 | romaxa | freemangordon: EmbedLite ... actually |
| 16:57.58 | freemangordon | romaxa: ok, won't argue on the name :) |
| 16:58.03 | freemangordon | merlin1991: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85191 |
| 16:58.06 | romaxa | it is deigned to be Multi-Thread/Process |
| 16:58.08 | freemangordon | no XUL |
| 16:58.24 | freemangordon | is going to try to open FB |
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| 16:58.45 | onre | thedead1440, allright, i'll try that. |
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| 17:00.26 | thedead1440 | onre: do a rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* then mkdir /var/lib/apt/lists/partial , apt-get clean and finally apt-get update... The only 2 repos with hash sum mismatch iirc are extras and community-testing... they were fixed 22hrs ago... |
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| 17:03.36 | freemangordon | romaxa: I still don;t get it why GL rendering is waaay slower than SW rendering |
| 17:04.11 | thedead1440 | can someone please clarify; after reading all my backscroll i see that to access the new live TMO "echo "188.117.59.209 talk.maemo.org" >>/etc/hosts;" must be done but doing that i get a message saying this is the new server and its awaiting DNS change while the old one is a r/o copy... So TMO is still r/o and no new posts allowed? |
| 17:04.32 | freemangordon | yep, afaik |
| 17:05.02 | thedead1440 | is facing withdrawal symptoms :D |
| 17:06.43 | romaxa | freemangordon: because maemo5 sgx drivers old and slow I guess, and texture upload is pretty expensive there |
| 17:07.20 | romaxa | freemangordon: it make sense to test with oprofile |
| 17:07.30 | freemangordon | I see. But how then microb manages to render that fast? or it is on SW renderer? |
| 17:11.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | marcdeop: found your mail |
| 17:11.36 | marcdeop | :-) |
| 17:11.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | marcdeop: let's have a query later, 1st need some coffee |
| 17:12.31 | marcdeop | has already had a couple today |
| 17:12.44 | romaxa | freemangordon: microb render with SW renderer |
| 17:13.14 | freemangordon | aah, we don;t need GL then :) |
| 17:13.29 | romaxa | freemangordon: kindof |
| 17:13.31 | ShadowJK | wouldn't expect newer drivers to magically make gl faster :P |
| 17:13.38 | freemangordon | runs sunspider |
| 17:13.49 | romaxa | freemangordon: so do you work with debug build? |
| 17:13.53 | freemangordon | yes |
| 17:14.02 | romaxa | freemangordon: debug build in general slower |
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| 17:14.34 | freemangordon | sure, building the release, but it will take a good 3 hours |
| 17:14.35 | romaxa | freemangordon: I was running same thing on beagle board with latest TI drivers and it feels much better |
| 17:15.02 | romaxa | freemangordon: you can create another config and change obj-dir |
| 17:15.31 | romaxa | MOZCONFIG=$(pwd)/mozconfig-opt make -f client.mk build_all |
| 17:17.00 | freemangordon | romaxa: yes, I know :). but keep in mind I saw that running some 5 minutes ago :) |
| 17:17.55 | onre | i find it amazing how easy vi is to use with n900 keyboard |
| 17:17.56 | freemangordon | BTW i'll do it, once github shared repo is setup. i.e. fremantle branch |
| 17:18.25 | romaxa | freemangordon: I would not surprise.... actually on fremantle you can make it works even faster but rendering with SW directly into XSHM pixmap and pushing it directly to gtk widget... |
| 17:19.12 | romaxa | freemangordon: but main problem of SW rendering is ability to run some things like css3d |
| 17:19.27 | freemangordon | romaxa: I am dreaming to replace microb-engine with that |
| 17:19.29 | romaxa | freemangordon: btw try this one http://learningwebgl.com/lessons/lesson05/index.html |
| 17:19.52 | freemangordon | ok |
| 17:20.09 | freemangordon | no point to run sunspider on debug build :D |
| 17:20.11 | romaxa | freemangordon: also this url http://romaxa.info/css3d/cube3d/cube_fast.html |
| 17:20.30 | freemangordon | romaxa: without -no-glwidget I guess |
| 17:20.38 | romaxa | freemangordon: no with |
| 17:20.44 | romaxa | freemangordon: and without |
| 17:20.49 | romaxa | and compare |
| 17:20.54 | freemangordon | ok |
| 17:20.56 | romaxa | export SHOW_FPS=30 |
| 17:21.04 | romaxa | in order to see framerate |
| 17:21.09 | freemangordon | ok |
| 17:21.33 | romaxa | freemangordon: also make sense to test as well http://clips.vorwaerts-gmbh.de/big_buck_bunny.ogv |
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| 17:22.31 | freemangordon | romaxa: though I guess it is better to try with release build |
| 17:22.42 | freemangordon | otherwise the cube rotates |
| 17:22.57 | romaxa | gl one or css3d? |
| 17:22.59 | freemangordon | ~10 fps |
| 17:23.07 | freemangordon | the first link |
| 17:23.12 | freemangordon | with SW rendernig |
| 17:23.15 | romaxa | that is gl one |
| 17:23.15 | ShadowJK | man, video... if we could get all the flash and crap to throw stuff straight to Xv without doing extra yuv-rgb for alpha blending UIs :( |
| 17:23.33 | freemangordon | going to try it with GL |
| 17:24.37 | romaxa | ShadowJK: with GL it is possible to get YUV planes from decoder and upload them directly to YUV texture with YUV shader |
| 17:25.12 | freemangordon | romaxa: without -no-glwidget 2 times slower - ~5 fps :) |
| 17:25.19 | romaxa | ShadowJK: ideally would be nice to reuse system HW decoder and di direct pipeline |
| 17:25.27 | romaxa | freemangordon: hmmm that is interesting |
| 17:25.38 | romaxa | freemangordon: ah yes |
| 17:25.42 | ShadowJK | i didn't think sgx had any useful yuv-rgb capability :) |
| 17:25.47 | romaxa | webgl now doing fallback |
| 17:26.00 | romaxa | freemangordon: that is slow now everywhere |
| 17:26.06 | freemangordon | ok :) |
| 17:26.15 | freemangordon | going to try the cube 3d |
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| 17:27.14 | romaxa | ShadowJK: but it does support yuv shader I guess like this one http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/layers/opengl/LayerManagerOGLShaders.txt#324 |
| 17:28.03 | romaxa | freemangordon: try big_buck_bunny.ogv video test, with HW and SW mode |
| 17:28.27 | freemangordon | romaxa: do i need gstreamer support enabled? |
| 17:29.13 | romaxa | freemangordon: now gecko has SW codecs |
| 17:29.23 | romaxa | freemangordon: arm_neon webm and ogg |
| 17:30.03 | freemangordon | I see |
| 17:30.04 | romaxa | freemangordon: try that link, also you can download video on device in order to sandbox test |
| 17:30.33 | freemangordon | ok, 3d cube - SW 3fps, GL -2 fps |
| 17:30.49 | romaxa | freemangordon: btw do you have gstreamer HW theora and webm codecs? on device |
| 17:30.50 | romaxa | ? |
| 17:31.43 | ShadowJK | no |
| 17:31.53 | freemangordon | no |
| 17:32.25 | ShadowJK | iirc there exists one running theora on dsp, but performance is/was worse than ffmpeg on cpu, iirc |
| 17:33.43 | ShadowJK | wishes one day video accel wont be fixed-function anymore |
| 17:36.03 | freemangordon | romaxa: big bunny results in "###!!! ABORT: unexpected type tag: '(mType) == (aType)', file ../../ipc/ipdl/_ipdlheaders/mozilla/layers/LayersSurfaces.h, line 1221" |
| 17:36.08 | merlin1991 | bu fixed function is fun, that way you can license each and every codec to the enduser of your chip (see raspberry pi) |
| 17:36.30 | freemangordon | romaxa: though I guess I need to pass -mfpu=neon in options? |
| 17:37.47 | freemangordon | romaxa: another question - I tried to build it with system libpng (upstream version with APNG support included), function tests passed, but it refused to use it, any idea? |
| 17:39.56 | ShadowJK | merlin1991; yeah but I mean for supporting new things.. like when WebM came, it took only 1000 lines of code to implement it in ffmpeg, because ffmpeg has the generic building blocks in it :) |
| 17:40.32 | merlin1991 | ShadowJK: did I forget the </sarcasm tag? |
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| 17:42.13 | romaxa | freemangordon: not sure, but neon is actually very important for pixman if you want to get better perf |
| 17:43.33 | freemangordon | romaxa: for sure :). |
| 17:43.46 | freemangordon | romaxa: does enable-logging degrades performance? |
| 17:44.05 | romaxa | freemangordon: for video it better to check, but one quick test to try is to set pref("layers.async-video.enabled", false); in defaults/pref/embedding.js |
| 17:44.20 | romaxa | freemangordon: a bit but not much |
| 17:44.36 | freemangordon | lemme first build it in release |
| 17:45.02 | romaxa | ok, need to go at work.. |
| 17:45.12 | freemangordon | :) |
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| 17:45.16 | freemangordon | thanks for the help |
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| 17:50.10 | ShadowJK | merlin1991; well I thought rPi was more about paying patent royalties to mpeg-la :P |
| 17:50.25 | ShadowJK | and there's still no hw theora or WebM, right |
| 17:50.30 | merlin1991 | yeah |
| 17:51.02 | merlin1991 | don't know the details but only h.264 is enabled by default, mpeg-2 and some others (not sure) can be licensed |
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| 17:53.45 | ShadowJK | h264 decode is pretty cheap for royalties |
| 17:53.59 | kerio | who pays the royalties for VLC? |
| 17:54.04 | ShadowJK | mpeg2 of dvd times costs more :) |
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| 18:15.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | khm: see |
| 18:15.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sysop-wanted |
| 18:15.21 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, sysop-wanted is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-15.log.html#t2013-01-15T23:34:52 |
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| 18:18.02 | jacekowski | 16 VMs? |
| 18:18.10 | jacekowski | autobuilder, talk, main site, repos? |
| 18:18.28 | freemangordon | wiki, garage, BMO |
| 18:18.36 | freemangordon | static |
| 18:20.40 | khm | DocScrutinizer05: has the hildon foundation reached out to places like osuosl? it may be we can get free or extraordinarily cheap hosting for the web infrastructure, and leave the two physical servers for building and and such. where is the proper place to discuss things like this? |
| 18:22.30 | jacekowski | i'm just wondering if it isn't overkill for what is really needed |
| 18:22.45 | khm | it is absolutely overkill |
| 18:22.56 | jacekowski | esspecialy considering a fact that maemo community isn't going to grow |
| 18:23.17 | khm | if that infrastructure is loading machines of that spec, then there is tons of room for optimization there |
| 18:23.28 | freemangordon | jacekowski: it could be overkill, but that can be fixed after the migration to HiFo infrra is done |
| 18:23.39 | freemangordon | slowly ;) |
| 18:25.11 | jacekowski | but fact that i seem to be getting a lot more traffic to my maemo.jacekowski.org mirror is interesting |
| 18:25.47 | ShadowJK | heh, how much? |
| 18:26.18 | ShadowJK | people probably assumed maemo.org would be down forever and switched to your mirror? :) |
| 18:26.25 | jacekowski | 3.5k hits on 10th up to 75k hits yesterday |
| 18:26.36 | jacekowski | so about 20x as much |
| 18:27.09 | freemangordon | jacekowski: according to nemein, yesterday ~30k devices tried to reach the repos |
| 18:27.34 | freemangordon | (HAM update, you know :) ) |
| 18:28.19 | jacekowski | i can host the repo for the time being if anyone is interested |
| 18:28.36 | jacekowski | if someone can set the cname to my host |
| 18:29.32 | ShadowJK | oh i guess repo is down right now too |
| 18:30.14 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: it is |
| 18:30.35 | jacekowski | i've had no idea that so many people knew about that mirror |
| 18:30.49 | ShadowJK | would be an idea to cname everything to some other domain we could actually control |
| 18:33.34 | jacekowski | well, who would manage it |
| 18:33.54 | jacekowski | you would need multiple people who have the password |
| 18:34.02 | ShadowJK | ya |
| 18:34.07 | jacekowski | but that is not really the best idea |
| 18:34.11 | ShadowJK | to an xname.org account perhaps |
| 18:34.23 | jacekowski | less people know the password the better |
| 18:34.28 | ShadowJK | Well too late now anyhow, when things have blown up already :) |
| 18:34.49 | jacekowski | root@jacekowski:/var/log/apache2/users# cat access.log.2013-01-17 | grep maemo | wc -l |
| 18:34.52 | jacekowski | 73096 |
| 18:34.54 | jacekowski | 73k hits today so far |
| 18:35.37 | jacekowski | ehhhhhh |
| 18:35.49 | jacekowski | it looks like someone is downloading the whole thing with wget -r |
| 18:36.04 | jacekowski | there is so many better tools for that |
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| 18:38.36 | jacekowski | 2405:3700:400:101:2:1:0:a - - [17/Jan/2013:19:37:50 +0100] (maemo.jacekowski.org) "GET /mirror/repository.maemo.org/ HTTP/1.1" 200 517 "http://maemo.jacekowski.org/mirror/repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.17 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/24.0.1312.52 Safari/537.17" 481 769 |
| 18:38.41 | jacekowski | someone with ipv6 |
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| 18:40.54 | ShadowJK | how many individual IPs today? |
| 18:41.00 | ShadowJK | and how many bytes :) |
| 18:42.01 | MentalistTraceur | Off-topic rambling: Apparently 'sudo -s' on the N900 causes your .ash_history file to get chown'ed to root:root. (Makes since, since sudo -s doesn't change the environment settings, but it annoyed me so I felt like commenting on it here.) |
| 18:42.11 | jacekowski | 463 IPs |
| 18:42.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | khm: the proper place to discuss this probably is here and particularly tomorrow council meeting in #maemo-meeting |
| 18:43.19 | MentalistTraceur | s/Makes since/Makes sense/ |
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| 18:54.11 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: 52G |
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| 18:58.53 | Kepiting | Any one using nokia n900? |
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| 19:03.33 | ShadowJK | jacekowski; hm.. |
| 19:04.19 | kerio | wait, what |
| 19:04.24 | kerio | what kind of question is that? |
| 19:04.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | khm: please read |
| 19:04.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sysop-wanted |
| 19:04.51 | infobot | from memory, sysop-wanted is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-15.log.html#t2013-01-15T23:34:52 |
| 19:05.03 | ShadowJK | jacekowski; so 3TB per day assuming 30k users... |
| 19:06.46 | teotwaki_ | 1GB / user / day? |
| 19:07.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | khm: you could /query me for a few minutes, if you feel like needing a private word, but generally I prefer keeping things public - I just "wasted" one hour in a chat explaining stuff you would've profited from as well, so I'm doomed to do it again eventually. My bad |
| 19:07.39 | MentalistTraceur | Copy+paste? |
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| 19:10.49 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: not exactly |
| 19:11.06 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: a lot of that was someone just doing wget -r on the whole thing |
| 19:11.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 19:11.34 | ShadowJK | Let's all do that daily XD |
| 19:11.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | blame brkn ? ;-P |
| 19:11.54 | jacekowski | whole thing is almost 60G |
| 19:12.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh an apt repo? that's not been brkn |
| 19:12.02 | jacekowski | ( i keep old versions) |
| 19:12.02 | brkn | ? |
| 19:12.08 | brkn | was not me |
| 19:12.43 | brkn | xD |
| 19:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | fekkin spider? |
| 19:12.50 | kerio | akamaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaai |
| 19:12.52 | brkn | well maybe it was once |
| 19:13.16 | brkn | still doc we have 9tb traffic left for this month until bandwidth limiter kicks in + another 10tb on vps |
| 19:13.27 | brkn | so let ppl update their packages |
| 19:13.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 19:13.42 | ShadowJK | on? |
| 19:13.50 | kerio | we seriously need pdiffs |
| 19:13.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | it been about jacekowski seen shitload of wueries today |
| 19:14.07 | jacekowski | and yesterday |
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| 19:19.48 | MentalistTraceur | Is there a UI for prompting the user for root like in Gnome or whatever (like when you run the app manager in debian, it prompts you for your password, then I presume passes that to sudo in the backend)? |
| 19:20.04 | MentalistTraceur | For the N900/Maemo 5 I mean. |
| 19:20.27 | MentalistTraceur | Rather, not for root, but for whatever the relevant sudo password is. |
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| 19:22.09 | jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/webalizer/usage_201301.html#DAYSTATS |
| 19:23.16 | onre | your mirror must've been extra popular today :) it's the first hit with google when you search for maemo repository mirrors |
| 19:23.49 | kerio | MentalistTraceur: we need that, actually |
| 19:23.59 | kerio | first we need a sudo with askpass support though :) |
| 19:24.12 | brkn | jacekowski: there is a reason why i have disabled directory listing |
| 19:24.22 | MentalistTraceur | Off to googling askpass, then. |
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| 19:24.33 | kerio | and also with sudoers.d support, and update-sudoers as a symlink to /bin/true |
| 19:25.19 | MentalistTraceur | When you say we need askpass support first, is that a technical dependency for what I mentioned? |
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| 19:25.47 | kerio | MentalistTraceur: no, but it would be the easiest way to implement that |
| 19:26.10 | kerio | application runs sudo, if there's an attached tty, the password is asked there, otherwise it goes to the graphical askpass program |
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| 19:28.10 | jacekowski | 17th is not cooked yet |
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| 19:29.04 | jacekowski | brkn: directory listing is one of the most usefull things that apache can do |
| 19:29.48 | brkn | jacekowski: depends on what you want. i wanted to provide a maemo + harmattan mirror for usage on phones, not ppl recursively wgetting everything |
| 19:30.02 | MentalistTraceur | Also, why symlink update-sudoers to /bin/true (vs. just deleting it and letting the app developers remove the presumably unstandard-to-begin-with update-sudoers from their install/remove scripts?) |
| 19:30.02 | brkn | well they still can but i guess they won't |
| 19:30.22 | brkn | DocScrutinizer05: if you are okay with it i can also enable listing |
| 19:30.28 | kerio | MentalistTraceur: because backwards compatibility |
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| 19:30.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | brkn: try it, watch for spiders |
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| 19:30.56 | ShadowJK | maybe someone should set up a dnspool for repomirrors :) |
| 19:30.56 | kerio | just add * to robots.txt! :P |
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| 19:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | switch it off again if shit hits the fan |
| 19:31.38 | brkn | ShadowJK: might be a good idea |
| 19:32.06 | MentalistTraceur | Meh. I feel like backwards compatibility is rather minor of a concern for a system like this. Especially if community now controls repos, which means abandoned packages can still have their update-sudoers scripts fixed accordingly. |
| 19:32.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | brkn: or better: do a ls -lar >www/filelist.txt |
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| 19:33.14 | brkn | http://skeiron.org/repo/ |
| 19:33.16 | brkn | open now |
| 19:33.19 | kerio | MentalistTraceur: have you *looked* at extras-devel? |
| 19:33.27 | brkn | DocScrutinizer05: list what for? |
| 19:33.37 | kerio | also, it would divide the userbase into people who have cssu and people who don't |
| 19:33.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | as alternative to listing |
| 19:33.42 | MentalistTraceur | Looked, use constantly, have uploaded to. |
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| 19:33.47 | brkn | pfff no |
| 19:34.03 | kerio | granted, at some point we'll shove cssu in people's faces via fmtx-enabler |
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| 19:34.18 | kerio | but it still leaves those poor people in japan or britain who don't have fmtx-enabler! |
| 19:34.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | brkn: btw a brilliant idea to publish the URL via chanlog |
| 19:34.21 | MentalistTraceur | And my opinion is that at this point people who don't are honestly like the people who continue to use old Nokia firmwares months after the new came out. |
| 19:34.31 | brkn | ack DocScrutinizer05 |
| 19:34.39 | brkn | i thought the goal is ppl can use the tmp mirror |
| 19:34.40 | kerio | maemo.org confirmed slow as fuck |
| 19:34.40 | qwazix | anybody knows in which package qdeclarativefolderlistmodel.h is? |
| 19:34.44 | brkn | like jacekowski does |
| 19:34.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can already disable it again now |
| 19:34.47 | jacekowski | i was thinking about adding robots.txt to stop google from indexing all the subdirectories |
| 19:34.59 | brkn | jacekowski: that was the 1st thing i did |
| 19:35.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | or find a new domain |
| 19:35.25 | brkn | *fg |
| 19:35.36 | brkn | who cares it's a repository, nothing fancy |
| 19:35.52 | brkn | it won't make it into google |
| 19:35.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
| 19:36.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | hahaha |
| 19:36.44 | brkn | i sense sarcasm |
| 19:37.00 | jacekowski | brkn: rotfl |
| 19:37.04 | qwazix | kerio, what about fmtx-enabler and cssu? |
| 19:37.12 | jacekowski | brkn: i've had the whole thing indexed by google |
| 19:37.17 | jacekowski | brkn: and a lot of other search engines |
| 19:37.22 | brkn | jacekowski: no i don't want that |
| 19:37.32 | kerio | qwazix: n900-fmrx-enabler is preinstalled, and comes from extras |
| 19:37.35 | jacekowski | up until yesterday that was main source of traffic for maemo.jacekowski.org |
| 19:37.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | then DONT PUBLISH THE URL, fool |
| 19:37.43 | kerio | we control extras |
| 19:37.54 | brkn | DocScrutinizer05: that's what robots.txt is for |
| 19:37.58 | freemangordon | qwazix: we can push new version informing n900 users of CSSU |
| 19:38.00 | kerio | brkn: hahahahaha |
| 19:38.09 | jacekowski | well, thing is, if it's indexed it can be searched easily |
| 19:38.17 | kerio | sure, maybe googlebot honors it |
| 19:38.20 | qwazix | hahaha... there's an update to your fm radio. 250mb :) |
| 19:38.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | since anybody except wget looks for robots |
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| 19:38.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, wget does, didn't you know? |
| 19:38.42 | kerio | qwazix: just silently enable cssu-stable |
| 19:38.43 | jacekowski | yes, and then ignores it |
| 19:39.01 | freemangordon | kerio: hell, no |
| 19:39.05 | kerio | hell, yes |
| 19:39.15 | qwazix | Silently enable thumb :) |
| 19:39.29 | freemangordon | qwazix: hmm, that one might work :D |
| 19:39.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | silently enables the MTHELs |
| 19:39.38 | kerio | <DocScrutinizer> cssu stable is now recommended to all n900 users |
| 19:39.43 | kerio | ^ this shit right here |
| 19:39.57 | freemangordon | RECOMMENDED |
| 19:40.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | not forced |
| 19:40.17 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 19:40.26 | kerio | nokia updates aren't forced either |
| 19:40.32 | kerio | you get a message asking you to update |
| 19:40.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I agree we might eventually need to increase the 2pressure" |
| 19:40.35 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05 showing up to users that there is an update is not forcing |
| 19:40.37 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: though actually it is up to the user to press on "Maemo5 update" |
| 19:40.44 | freemangordon | qwazix: yeah |
| 19:40.45 | qwazix | ^^^ that |
| 19:40.56 | kerio | y'all are too slow |
| 19:41.06 | freemangordon | though i'd recommend to not go into this now :P |
| 19:41.20 | kerio | hah, it would go *so* well |
| 19:41.59 | Lava_Croft | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxtW2yhxAkU |
| 19:42.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | already scans the holiday ads |
| 19:42.00 | MentalistTraceur | DocScrutinizer05, can you clarify for me exactly which repos (of the preinstalled on default firmware ones) we have control over now? I.e. does Nokia still continue to control some of them? |
| 19:42.11 | qwazix | wonders if I should quit too to avoid the MTHEL's |
| 19:42.21 | jacekowski | what about nokia sdk repo? |
| 19:42.28 | jacekowski | what's happening to that one? |
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| 19:42.52 | jacekowski | the one that is supposed to have "secret" key |
| 19:42.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 19:43.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not the one keeping track of all resources |
| 19:43.12 | kerio | MentalistTraceur: afaik, nokia will keep control of downloads.maemo.nokia.com |
| 19:43.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't |
| 19:43.36 | kerio | jacekowski: i thought the sdk repos were on repository.maemo.org |
| 19:43.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | official handover handled by HiFo, backup handled by brkn |
| 19:43.54 | freemangordon | kerio: what? really? who told you that? |
| 19:44.08 | kerio | my sources.list file |
| 19:44.17 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 19:44.18 | jacekowski | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79 nokia-binaries |
| 19:44.22 | kerio | D: |
| 19:44.24 | jacekowski | there was one more i think |
| 19:44.26 | kerio | you posted the secret key! |
| 19:44.32 | kerio | it was supposed to be a secret dammit! |
| 19:44.51 | freemangordon | jacekowski: SDK does not contain all the things |
| 19:44.52 | freemangordon | afaik |
| 19:44.54 | MentalistTraceur | DocScrutinizer05, alright, I just thought that fell under your domain as overall overlord of the HiFo admins. So I guess I should ask Board members directly? |
| 19:45.10 | MentalistTraceur | Doesn't everyone get a separate key to the nokia-binaries repo anyway? |
| 19:45.11 | Pali | secret is on maemo.nokia.com too |
| 19:45.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: I'm technical coordinator |
| 19:45.28 | Pali | MentalistTraceur, no there is only one key |
| 19:45.29 | freemangordon | MentalistTraceur: no, it is the same for all |
| 19:45.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I try to help with gathering all the rocks and stones, but no, it's not me who got the ultimate wisdom and database |
| 19:46.21 | Pali | what will happen with maemo.nokia.com ? |
| 19:46.28 | MentalistTraceur | Pali, freemangordon; I just checked mine right after asking that, but thanks for correcting. |
| 19:46.40 | Pali | will nokia turn off it? |
| 19:46.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | who knows |
| 19:46.52 | Pali | or will it be transfered to HiFo? |
| 19:46.52 | freemangordon | Pali: it is dedicated to "swipe" for 1 year or so :) |
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| 19:46.54 | kerio | do we have a mirror of the repo? |
| 19:47.08 | Pali | freemangordon, I mean full domain |
| 19:47.10 | kerio | possibly a seeeeekrit mirror |
| 19:47.25 | Pali | there is also downloads.maemo.nokia.com |
| 19:47.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: we got *everything*, ask brkn ;-P |
| 19:47.40 | kerio | some things are better left untold |
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| 19:47.52 | Creteil | hi all |
| 19:47.56 | kerio | if anything, because otherwise google will bring it to its knees or something like that |
| 19:48.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: he promised a beer for everybody who finds sth we need but don't have yet ;-D |
| 19:48.11 | freemangordon | Pali: I guess the debs could be moved to MO |
| 19:48.13 | MentalistTraceur | Alright, I have to disconnect. *waves* Be back on eventually. |
| 19:48.35 | kerio | brkn: i need a million euros and i don't have it yet! |
| 19:48.47 | brkn | what? |
| 19:48.49 | Pali | freemangordon, but for correct working apt-repositories we need that domain |
| 19:48.50 | brkn | no way |
| 19:49.01 | brkn | alright then kerio |
| 19:49.26 | freemangordon | Pali: well, we can use fmtx to fix that too |
| 19:50.01 | brkn | if you find any ressources unmirrored please do ping me |
| 19:50.02 | freemangordon | though it is still to be confirmed that fmtx trick will actually work |
| 19:50.14 | kerio | by the way, why are community and community-testing two different repos? |
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| 19:50.26 | Creteil | I have already pushed packages to drop.maemo.org for auto-builder (before migration), I see since migration new packages are build successfully, mine are not even processed, and if I try to push another time to auto-builder I have a message saying : |
| 19:50.27 | Creteil | Upload package to host fremantle-extras-builder |
| 19:50.27 | freemangordon | stable/testing |
| 19:50.29 | Creteil | Already uploaded to drop.maemo.org |
| 19:50.30 | Creteil | Doing nothing for movgrab_1.1.15-1maemo0_armel.changes |
| 19:50.32 | Creteil | Any idea ? |
| 19:50.42 | kerio | freemangordon: i know, but you do that with the "distribution" field, or whatever it's called |
| 19:51.08 | Wulfe | Nokia Catalog will be no more after move or will it also have a dns point to a new maemo repo? |
| 19:51.40 | kerio | Wulfe: as far as we know, downloads.maemo.nokia.com will keep working at least for a while |
| 19:52.08 | Wulfe | okay, didnt know cuz they went down the same time as maemo.org repos |
| 19:52.14 | kerio | they didn't |
| 19:52.19 | kerio | (i swear) |
| 19:52.35 | Wulfe | ieatlint: catalogue.tabeteer.nokia.com |
| 19:52.41 | Wulfe | er |
| 19:52.47 | Wulfe | ie:* |
| 19:53.06 | Wulfe | it is reporting down by my application manager |
| 19:53.24 | Wulfe | 504 gateway timeout to be exact |
| 19:53.32 | kerio | huh... |
| 19:53.55 | freemangordon | WTF is catalogue.tabeteer.nokia.com? |
| 19:53.55 | kerio | what's that supposed to be? :o |
| 19:54.04 | kerio | oh, n810? |
| 19:54.08 | kerio | wasn't expecting that |
| 19:54.09 | Wulfe | maybe i should have stated i was on diablo |
| 19:54.19 | freemangordon | oh :( |
| 19:54.32 | Wulfe | i am an old school IT user =p |
| 19:54.46 | kerio | just get doc to send you one of his billion n900s |
| 19:54.51 | freemangordon | Wulfe: bye yourself n900 |
| 19:55.02 | freemangordon | kerio: hehe |
| 19:55.08 | qwazix | N810 rocks |
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| 19:55.10 | Wulfe | i will gladly accept a donation lol |
| 19:55.15 | qwazix | hard |
| 19:55.21 | tadzik | N810 has a nice kickstand :) |
| 19:55.24 | Wulfe | i wont buy one though, they are expensive |
| 19:55.42 | freemangordon | qwazix: sure. but n900 has GSM :P |
| 19:55.43 | Wulfe | i got my N810WE for $35 ;) |
| 19:56.04 | kerio | Wulfe: try downloads.maemo.nokia.com, i guess |
| 19:56.10 | qwazix | hides |
| 19:56.11 | kerio | but i don't know if that's only for fremantle |
| 19:56.19 | Wulfe | probably |
| 19:56.44 | Wulfe | i dont see nokia keeping us older versions around anymore now that they are dropping everything |
| 19:56.53 | freemangordon | qwazix: BTW I was able to run EmbedLite mozilla on n900 ;) |
| 19:56.58 | kerio | Wulfe: well, call the nokia helpdesk |
| 19:57.16 | Wulfe | true, i should help them earn there pay today lol |
| 19:57.18 | freemangordon | qwazix: though I wonder if QML is indeed a good idea |
| 19:57.39 | Wulfe | watch em point me to you guys xD |
| 19:58.03 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what are n810 users supposed to do? |
| 19:58.10 | freemangordon | qwazix: I guess if we use GTK, we'll beat thumb microb performance wise |
| 19:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | dance and cheer |
| 19:58.38 | freemangordon | s/cheer/swear/ |
| 19:58.44 | freemangordon | fixed it for you :P |
| 19:58.44 | qwazix | freemangordon, yeah but I have no idea about gtk |
| 19:59.10 | freemangordon | qwazix: or even better - replace microb-engine with that |
| 19:59.23 | freemangordon | I think that should be relatively easy |
| 19:59.28 | qwazix | freemangordon, I'm trying atm to build marxian's components but i'm stuck because QDeclarativeFolderListModel is not found |
| 19:59.36 | qwazix | do you know where may that be? |
| 19:59.48 | freemangordon | NFC, I am not much into JS |
| 19:59.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wulfe: we got all old firmwares, we're going to migrate autobuilder for diablo at least |
| 19:59.54 | freemangordon | err... QML :P |
| 20:00.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | we got all repos for all maemo versions as backup at least |
| 20:00.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | now please visit HiFo and donate :-DE |
| 20:01.17 | qwazix | it should be in a qt package somewhere but don't know where |
| 20:01.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | or wait, I toss over my bank account number since I pay for the backup server |
| 20:01.31 | freemangordon | qwazix: qt-mobility? |
| 20:01.54 | Wulfe | okay thanks for the info Doc |
| 20:02.10 | freemangordon | (not sure about the exact package name) |
| 20:02.16 | freemangordon | qwazix: what has google to say about it? |
| 20:02.28 | qwazix | just an example in qt documentation |
| 20:02.40 | qwazix | but it's missing some methods |
| 20:03.03 | qwazix | I installed libqtm-12 in madde but it's still not there |
| 20:03.09 | freemangordon | well, wait for TMO be up again and ask marxian :D |
| 20:03.15 | qwazix | yeah |
| 20:03.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wulfe: honestly, if you need some older firmware version, query me |
| 20:03.19 | freemangordon | qwazix: which Qt is that? |
| 20:03.37 | freemangordon | stock? |
| 20:03.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wulfe: but so far I think nokia is providing the downloads still |
| 20:03.55 | qwazix | qt creator is confused, the installer says 4.7 but the folder inside madde is 4.6.3 |
| 20:04.24 | freemangordon | qwazix: forgat about madde, install SB and enable CSSU repos |
| 20:04.29 | freemangordon | *forget |
| 20:04.33 | qwazix | I'd prefer to make it run in madde instead of sdk because of faster deployment. Ultra significant when playing with pixels |
| 20:04.51 | qwazix | but I think I'll install sb |
| 20:05.06 | freemangordon | qwazix: you need Qt 4.7.4 from CSSU |
| 20:05.09 | qwazix | can I add fremantle target to the harmattan sdk? |
| 20:05.15 | qwazix | ok |
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| 20:05.28 | freemangordon | qwazix: hmm, not sure |
| 20:05.36 | freemangordon | you'd better use vmware image |
| 20:05.49 | qwazix | and I suppose I can't install both on the same OS |
| 20:06.07 | qwazix | someone on tmo has done the opposite (harmattan target on fremantle sdk) |
| 20:06.12 | freemangordon | I guess so, though never tried. I am using vmware |
| 20:06.21 | qwazix | ok |
| 20:06.41 | freemangordon | that way you don;t rick messing up your current setup |
| 20:06.46 | freemangordon | *risk |
| 20:07.15 | qwazix | I got fremantle sdk on the laptop but that's getting too hot lately... |
| 20:09.06 | freemangordon | qwazix: honestly, I don;t think it make sense to target anything else but cssu-thumb |
| 20:09.24 | qwazix | I agree |
| 20:09.41 | freemangordon | so you have to use SB |
| 20:10.13 | qwazix | bad thing is that I have no idea how to set up cssu thumb target on sb |
| 20:10.48 | Pali | brkn, recheck repos from: https://wiki.maemo.org/Apt-mirror |
| 20:10.53 | Pali | I updated some parts |
| 20:11.03 | freemangordon | qwazix: come on http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%29 :P |
| 20:11.21 | qwazix | freemangordon, thanks |
| 20:12.10 | freemangordon | qwazix: though you'll need some SDK repo mirror to use ;) |
| 20:13.10 | qwazix | I tried building the qt components under harmattan in sb (qt version same as cssu) and it still stops at qdeclarativefolderlistmodel.h |
| 20:13.23 | qwazix | not that it means anything |
| 20:14.27 | freemangordon | qwazix: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt4/src-imports-folderlistmodel-qdeclarativefolderlistmodel-h.html |
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| 20:14.48 | freemangordon | qwazix: I guess marxian has forgotten some stuff |
| 20:15.41 | qwazix | that must be it, but it calls a setRootFolder method on it which doesn't seem to be there in the file you linked |
| 20:15.58 | Sc0rpius | still no repos? |
| 20:16.32 | freemangordon | NFC, marxian could've changed that. in his SB |
| 20:17.17 | qwazix | yeah, I think I should just wait for tmo |
| 20:17.27 | freemangordon | :nod: |
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| 20:35.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: what about tomorrow's meeting? |
| 20:35.56 | kerio | hey DocScrutinizer05 |
| 20:36.01 | kerio | happy new year |
| 20:36.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf?! |
| 20:37.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wish happy new year to my dentist today, but it been first time I've seen her this year |
| 20:37.34 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, what about it? |
| 20:37.48 | qwazix | freemangordon, I built it :) |
| 20:37.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | who'll be there, any topics yet? |
| 20:38.06 | kerio | <DocScrutinizer06> there is no such thing like "too late" [2013-01-01 14:53] |
| 20:38.28 | qwazix | I still miss that file though, just commented out calls to non-existing methods |
| 20:38.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | <DocScrutinizer05> I wish happy new year to my dentist today, but it been first time I've seen her this year |
| 20:38.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: go troll somebody else >:-( |
| 20:38.55 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, I'll be there, don't know about anybody else |
| 20:38.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | sucker |
| 20:39.19 | kerio | [ ] trolled [ ] not trolled [x] knights of the trolled republic |
| 20:39.39 | qwazix | I'll bring up that ovi account thing and how to pressure the board to do something with it |
| 20:40.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/pressure/prod/ |
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| 20:40.57 | qwazix | Cam |
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| 20:41.09 | kerio | i should've probably waited a couple of months, actually |
| 20:41.16 | qwazix | *Can't think of any other subject now |
| 20:41.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | another topic: now that wiki is basically working again, after 2+ months, there are some pages to finally update (me lurks at those with "council" in URL) |
| 20:41.38 | qwazix | Hm, yep that's a matter to discuss too |
| 20:44.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | introduction of khm, wirr, marcdeop, xes, jyrjyr |
| 20:44.49 | qwazix | let me write those things down because my buffer holds only 3 of them at each time |
| 20:45.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sketch a time schedule for further migration |
| 20:46.22 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: btw, i asked you earlier if you have the i2c version of the battery calibration script |
| 20:46.46 | qwazix | I'm sure I had something else but I can't remember it now |
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| 20:53.29 | Pali | kerio, and what should calibration script do? |
| 20:54.09 | kerio | Pali: wait until vdq, then keep kicking bq24k to disable the charging until edv1 is reached |
| 20:54.15 | kerio | at that point, enable the charging again |
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| 20:54.28 | Pali | kerio, so write it |
| 20:54.31 | Pali | it is easy |
| 20:54.34 | kerio | i've already written it |
| 20:55.08 | kerio | i also written over it, now that i'm using bq2415x_charger |
| 20:55.53 | kerio | Pali: http://fpaste.org/UDk7/ |
| 20:56.40 | Pali | Internal Server Error |
| 20:56.47 | Pali | The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. |
| 20:56.52 | kerio | meh, fpaste |
| 20:56.54 | Pali | fpaste not working :-( |
| 20:57.41 | kerio | Pali: http://pastebin.ca/2304022 |
| 20:58.26 | kerio | to properly use it, before going to sleep, enter offline mode, enable max brightness and disable the autolocking |
| 20:58.34 | kerio | launch the script |
| 20:58.35 | kerio | and connect the charger |
| 20:58.36 | Sc0rpius | ETA for TMO r/w? |
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| 21:00.02 | kerio | Pali: btw, now you know why i asked you to add a flags/ directory with each of those flags in a separate file :) |
| 21:01.19 | kerio | (why are voltage and current in microunits, btw? raw data from the chip?) |
| 21:01.28 | Pali | linux kernel api |
| 21:01.58 | Pali | API tells that kernel must report that in micro values to userspace |
| 21:02.03 | kerio | i see |
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| 21:02.23 | Pali | HAL expect also micro |
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| 21:03.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: when Nokia switches DNS!!! |
| 21:03.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ffs |
| 21:04.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | you asked the third time now, iirc |
| 21:05.03 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: the old vms are still up? |
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| 21:05.22 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, now TMO is only CNAME, why not to add another CNAME on ITT? |
| 21:07.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: because of Reggie wanting to keep *his* ITT |
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| 21:08.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: yes, that's the r/o you see right now |
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| 21:08.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | except it's not a vm |
| 21:09.13 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why aren't we keeping tmo on *his* ITT? |
| 21:09.17 | Sc0rpius | so you say talk.maemo.org *still* points to the *old* server? |
| 21:09.21 | xes | Why not apply an iptables dnat until dns switch? |
| 21:09.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: YES |
| 21:09.50 | Sc0rpius | ahhhhhh |
| 21:09.55 | grummund | hi o/ |
| 21:10.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: wut? |
| 21:10.15 | Sc0rpius | I guess drop.maemo.org and repositores have the same issue |
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| 21:11.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: would yoiu pretty please see and *follow* /topic? |
| 21:11.10 | Sc0rpius | xes that wouldn't work because new servers are totally in other world |
| 21:11.49 | grummund | is it possible to disable the nokia tune at startup ? |
| 21:12.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | grummund: yes, see |
| 21:12.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 21:12.07 | infobot | jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 21:12.08 | Sc0rpius | well the topic points me to a thread that haven't been updated in 12 hours |
| 21:12.13 | Sc0rpius | and I demand hourly updates!!! |
| 21:12.18 | Sc0rpius | :P |
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| 21:12.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: dafaq, this thread points you to a chanlog |
| 21:13.15 | grummund | DocScrutinizer05: thank you |
| 21:13.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and your hourly update might become a hourly kick |
| 21:13.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: do you think I'm doing all this 20h a aday because I'm bored? |
| 21:14.12 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell... |
| 21:15.15 | grummund | another question... can the xterminal be made to beep? |
| 21:15.27 | kerio | i don't think osso-xterm supports audible bells |
| 21:16.25 | Sc0rpius | you can relax, if Nokia doesn't update the DNS entries there's nothing to do |
| 21:16.31 | Sc0rpius | and who's paying the new servers anyway |
| 21:16.41 | Sc0rpius | or the new "hosting" |
| 21:21.02 | xes | Sc0rpius: ..anyway...also if in another world, one dnat and a tunnel and you can redirect any service |
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| 21:22.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, or we make microsoft publish a p2p version of tmo on their next patchday |
| 21:25.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | please first get your goals sorted before diving head first into technical bizarre solutions |
| 21:25.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | old server will go out of business in 3 days |
| 21:25.47 | xes | :) |
| 21:26.17 | dimir_ | So, sorry, I cba to scroll up too much, any news on repository.maemo.org? |
| 21:26.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it's hosted on mars now |
| 21:26.41 | dimir | LUL |
| 21:26.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | we still have problems with the fibreoptics to there |
| 21:27.06 | dimir | oh darn |
| 21:27.27 | xes | Wow.. who pay the band? Santa Claus? :) |
| 21:28.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you pretty please read and *follow* /topic? |
| 21:29.09 | Wulfe | dimir: waiting for nokia to update there zone-files on nameserver |
| 21:29.26 | Wulfe | cant do anything till then |
| 21:29.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>[[update-ps]] the repository.maemo.org is waiting for DNS change to point to stage.maemo.org vserver. Eero decided to implement this migration detail in this way, so we wait for Nokia to edit the zone-files on nameserver.<< FFS!! |
| 21:29.46 | dimir | Wulfe: ah, no problem. |
| 21:30.16 | Wulfe | probably be a couple days knowing Nokia =p |
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| 21:30.22 | dimir | ye |
| 21:30.26 | dimir | But is there an IP? :-D |
| 21:30.33 | Wulfe | they lost all love for us maemo users |
| 21:30.42 | dimir | No wonder. |
| 21:30.51 | Wulfe | i blame the Lumina |
| 21:31.10 | dimir | DocScrutinizer05: thanks ;) |
| 21:33.31 | grummund | what's a TMO? |
| 21:33.50 | bef0rd | talk.maemo.org |
| 21:33.55 | grummund | ah |
| 21:33.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | look at /topic and gues |
| 21:33.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | s |
| 21:36.19 | grummund | sorry but following that thread it sounded like some technical wizardry |
| 21:36.40 | grummund | like DNS and zones and stuff |
| 21:36.50 | Wulfe | all of maemo is technical wizardry |
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| 21:37.15 | grummund | sure is! :p |
| 21:37.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | dimir: basically the would be a IP, see the link to maemo.cloud-7.de, but I think stage.maemo.org is not functional yet |
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| 21:37.51 | Wulfe | mainly as it is the only linux distro that is completely community maintained afaik |
| 21:38.25 | Wulfe | yeah i still get no responce from stage at this time so i dont think it is established yet |
| 21:38.39 | dimir | DocScrutinizer05: the problem is that http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts is 404 now. :-D |
| 21:38.39 | xes | To follow /topic.. i think that at least we should thank everyone is dedicating all the day to this migration.. |
| 21:38.51 | Wulfe | I am just going to wait it out a couple days and try updating my repos again. |
| 21:39.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc why Eero decided to move from repostiry.maemo.org to stage.maemo.org with the service |
| 21:40.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1315143&postcount=96 |
| 21:40.32 | dimir | DocScrutinizer05: ah, sorry, it's html now http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD.html :-D |
| 21:40.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | for those who can't hold it back anymore |
| 21:41.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, since I removed the other file since basically it's already obsolete |
| 21:41.11 | dimir | I see. |
| 21:41.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | 90% of DNS are correct now |
| 21:42.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the rest a patch of etc/hosts doesn't help yet |
| 21:42.53 | Wulfe | now when we officialy move from "repository" to "stage" will we have to edit the repos to reflect that as "repository" will no longer be in use or will "repository" point to "stage" IP? |
| 21:43.29 | Wulfe | cuz if it is i should just edit everything to say stage.maemo.org now to save time. |
| 21:43.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | the latter |
| 21:43.37 | Wulfe | ah |
| 21:43.38 | Wulfe | good |
| 21:43.54 | Wulfe | saves me a bunch of editing then ;D |
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| 21:46.15 | Wulfe | well thanks Doc, big help as always. BBL gonna go catch up on some WWE. |
| 21:47.06 | Ultima_Fan | Hello, I'm a newbie and I picked the worst time to flash my n900. Do we need to update repository URLs? b/c I'm getting a very limited list of apps and only a few catalogues are working. |
| 21:48.12 | grummund | another dumb question... is the little side button the only way to initiate a shutdown or is there a way to do that on-screen? |
| 21:49.19 | Ultima_Fan | I keep looking around on the maemo.org talk forum and not finding any real answers... or at least no newbie answers! |
| 21:51.22 | Ultima_Fan | grummund: n900 or n9? |
| 21:51.24 | michaaa62 | Ultima_Fan, you could use QBW, QueenBeaconWidget, to configure this desktop icon |
| 21:51.44 | grummund | n900 |
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| 21:51.58 | michaaa62 | sorry |
| 21:52.04 | Ultima_Fan | there's a small power button on the top center of the device for power on/power off |
| 21:52.10 | michaaa62 | grummund, you could use QBW, QueenBeaconWidget, to configure this desktop icon |
| 21:52.11 | michaaa62 | <Ultima_Fan> grummund: n900 or n9? |
| 21:52.29 | michaaa62 | sorry again :( |
| 21:53.01 | Ultima_Fan | I'm new to the n900 but have used the n800 for a number of years |
| 21:53.41 | grummund | Ultima_Fan: yep but i was wondering if that's the only way |
| 21:54.18 | Wulfe | Ultima_Fan: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88659 |
| 21:54.34 | Wulfe | repositories are waiting for DNS updates |
| 21:54.44 | Wulfe | follow that thread for upcoming info |
| 21:56.55 | dimir | DocScrutinizer05: wow, thanks a lot! :-D |
| 21:57.39 | kerio | grummund: dsmetool -p |
| 21:57.44 | kerio | if you have the latest version |
| 21:57.49 | Ultima_Fan | Ok, so we're just waiting for everything to iron out, then |
| 21:58.05 | Ultima_Fan | I guess it will work fine as a phone until then? |
| 21:58.37 | kerio | sure, why not |
| 21:58.49 | kerio | and yes, you picked the wrong time to reflash :) |
| 21:59.07 | Ultima_Fan | heh heh |
| 21:59.14 | kerio | well, you could configure the mirrors |
| 21:59.26 | kerio | the only thing i couldn't find a mirror of is the sdk tools repo |
| 21:59.35 | kerio | but only because i don't care enough |
| 21:59.49 | kerio | brkn has mirrors, merlin1991 has mirrors |
| 21:59.57 | Ultima_Fan | But once everything works out, the same repository urls should work? |
| 22:00.00 | kerio | yep |
| 22:00.30 | Ultima_Fan | alright. Nothing to do but wait, then. I appreciate it, I spent the last hour trying to figure this out : P |
| 22:01.27 | ShadowJK | doesn't understand waiting for dns updates, thought it was done already :) |
| 22:01.38 | ShadowJK | and now it was just shut down waiting for akamai to stop |
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| 22:20.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: hm? |
| 22:20.57 | qwazix | wtf is akamai? |
| 22:21.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | the darknet google cloud |
| 22:21.25 | Ultima_Fan | akamai, the keeper of the prophecy! |
| 22:21.54 | qwazix | huh? |
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| 22:22.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | mass hoster, server farms |
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| 22:22.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | geo-load-balancing |
| 22:23.04 | qwazix | and what does that have to do with maemo? |
| 22:23.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | the guys that made shiiping of updates delay 4 weeks in england |
| 22:23.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: repository.maemo.org pointed to akamai server farms |
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| 22:24.36 | qwazix | :nod: |
| 22:25.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | those server farms synced to stage.maemo.org |
| 22:25.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that killed us 2 days ago |
| 22:26.41 | Ultima_Fan | so essentially we're waiting for nokia to change something over? |
| 22:26.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | since akamai has/had *plenty* of those servers trying to sync the repos from stage.m.o |
| 22:27.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | and they have real PHAT backbone to get stage.maemo.org poor little xen-grid rack down to his knees |
| 22:29.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | so we stopped stage.maemo.org vserver, asked Nokia to immediately remove the DNS, and Eero decided to rename stage.maemo.org 'master' repository to repository.maemo.org |
| 22:29.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | now we're waiting for Nokia to point that repository.maemo.org DNS to stage.m.o vserver |
| 22:30.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | though that vserver isn't active yet, not even via IP |
| 22:30.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 22:30.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: ^^^ also to you |
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| 22:34.13 | Ultima_Fan | So Nokia has basically ended support for the n900? |
| 22:34.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | repository.maemo.org. 300 IN CNAME repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. |
| 22:34.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. 21600 IN CNAME a515.g.akamai.net. |
| 22:34.35 | kerio | Ultima_Fan: transferred to hildon foundation |
| 22:34.46 | kerio | but the hardware support is still theirs |
| 22:34.49 | kerio | if you're under warranty |
| 22:34.56 | Ultima_Fan | That's a good thing |
| 22:35.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | a515.g.akamai.net in turn will resolve to different IP depending on your geolocation |
| 22:35.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I guess a515.g.akamai.net is ~300 servers worldwide |
| 22:36.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ballpark figure |
| 22:38.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess for supl.nokia.com you'll find a pretty similar structure |
| 22:39.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, depending on the IP you got for supl.nokia.com from your nameserver |
| 22:39.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | some of those boxen seem to bitrot since years now |
| 22:41.38 | Pali | how supl working? |
| 22:41.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, cloudy ideas here |
| 22:42.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | sends your aproximate location and time, and you get back a list of parameters to get those sats in your GPS rx |
| 22:42.53 | Pali | so supl has full database? |
| 22:42.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 22:43.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | even updated by real GPS stations all over the world, to compensate for atmospheric errors |
| 22:44.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | but ask SpeedEvil, he's our GPS pope |
| 22:44.46 | SpeedEvil | no real idea how supl works |
| 22:44.51 | SpeedEvil | in practice |
| 22:44.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh? :-D |
| 22:45.21 | SpeedEvil | I know how agps in various forms work. |
| 22:45.38 | SpeedEvil | just don't know how supl is setup |
| 22:45.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that *is* supl, no? |
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| 22:46.27 | SpeedEvil | well, yes. |
| 22:46.37 | SpeedEvil | but there are lots of options. |
| 22:47.03 | SpeedEvil | from just dumping an accurate almanac and ephemeris, on. |
| 22:47.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, sure. I gave the simplified picture |
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| 22:51.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | for data compression, they send only the part of alm/eph that applies to your coarse location, and only for a few hours into the future |
| 22:52.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why AGPS with supl needs an idea of the country you're in, and a correct system time |
| 22:52.53 | ShadowJK | All the material by manufacturers seems to essentially claim that everyone is proprietary and different |
| 22:52.59 | SpeedEvil | whole almanac is only 3.5k ish |
| 22:53.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | (well, the system time is even more important for the gps chip then picking the correct coefficients from alm7eph) |
| 22:53.19 | SpeedEvil | probably 2k without the GPS framing |
| 22:55.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | the local correction factors for atmospheric errors though... |
| 22:55.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | atmos & other |
| 22:55.56 | SpeedEvil | true |
| 22:56.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't get accuracy of sub-10m-range without those afaik |
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| 23:02.04 | qwazix | I can't seem to find the Maemo5 sdk rootstrap... |
| 23:02.12 | qwazix | Do I qualify for a beer? |
| 23:02.38 | brkn | ack @ qwazix |
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| 23:06.55 | qwazix | brkn is this ours? http://oss.fruct.org/repository/stable/fremantle/armel/ |
| 23:07.30 | brkn | sec checking on server |
| 23:07.33 | brkn | not my mirror |
| 23:07.37 | qwazix | nah, it's old... |
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