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| 00:25.39 | ShadowJK | i don't think you need kernel for hardfloat abi |
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| 02:14.27 | allotrope94 | Hi everyone |
| 02:14.31 | allotrope94 | Is maemo.org down? |
| 02:14.36 | allotrope94 | Permanently? |
| 02:18.35 | allotrope94 | I need to get packages for Maemo 4.1/OS2008 (N810) |
| 02:18.53 | GeneralAntilles | Temporarily |
| 02:19.07 | allotrope94 | Oh okay. Good :) |
| 02:19.08 | GeneralAntilles | Moving to a community-financed infrastructure. |
| 02:19.16 | allotrope94 | I know it is old haha |
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| 02:32.15 | allotrope94 | GeneralAntilles: Thanks |
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| 04:04.51 | orlok | oh wow |
| 04:04.54 | orlok | there are people here |
| 04:07.11 | wmarone | yup |
| 04:07.47 | orlok | I'm still using an N900 as my everyday phone |
| 04:07.55 | wmarone | same |
| 04:08.05 | orlok | got USB plug issues? |
| 04:08.09 | wmarone | some |
| 04:08.21 | orlok | i have to sit the end of the USB cable on something to make it charge |
| 04:08.26 | wmarone | I can only charge the thing using a korean power adaptor I got from the tizen conference last year |
| 04:08.32 | wmarone | nothing else works |
| 04:08.38 | wmarone | I should probably replace the socket |
| 04:08.57 | orlok | N9 doesnt have a keyboard, does it? |
| 04:09.01 | wmarone | no |
| 04:12.05 | orlok | :-( |
| 04:12.18 | orlok | I just bought a new battery for it - Doesnt power on! :-( |
| 04:13.32 | orlok | Its the only phone i have ever felt happy using |
| 04:13.35 | orlok | :-( |
| 04:15.49 | wmarone | :/ |
| 04:15.51 | wmarone | that's not good |
| 04:16.01 | wmarone | well |
| 04:16.11 | wmarone | this is why I'm hoping Jolla does something good this year |
| 04:16.26 | johnsu01 | orlok: that just happened to me the other day but then I changed cables and it worked |
| 04:16.35 | johnsu01 | without sitting anything on the end |
| 04:20.16 | orlok | johnsu01: does it for me with both USB and charger |
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| 04:20.59 | robbiethe1st | Fortunately, new/used N900s are cheap now |
| 04:21.04 | robbiethe1st | easy to replace off ebay |
| 04:21.06 | allotrope94 | Hi again. When will maemo.org come up again? |
| 04:22.55 | allotrope94 | I wanted to install a few applications for an old N810 |
| 04:23.17 | wmarone | probably within a day or so |
| 04:24.05 | allotrope94 | wmarone: okay cool. |
| 04:24.17 | allotrope94 | Just didn't want it to be next year or something :) |
| 04:24.22 | wmarone | it's up for me, so you probably need DNS to update |
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| 04:29.13 | allotrope94 | Still not for me :( Did you check maemo.org? Or talk.maemo.org? |
| 04:29.33 | wmarone | might be a while |
| 04:29.54 | allotrope94 | Oh I see. It is taking a while here |
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| 04:31.25 | allotrope94 | It's up, just really slow |
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| 05:52.52 | Ex-Opesa | While the repos are very slow. Is there a recent back up we can configure our devices to? |
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| 08:12.51 | tadzik | does repository.maemo.org work for you? |
| 08:15.02 | kerio | nope |
| 08:15.06 | kerio | also /topic |
| 08:15.23 | tadzik | bah, sorry |
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| 11:12.54 | vi____ | when I have to comment code with: |
| 11:12.57 | vi____ | '//Nasty bodge to stop lamp fault occouring when we only have an 02 sensor (i.e. not lamp).' |
| 11:13.08 | vi____ | I feel bad. |
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| 11:24.09 | freemangordon | vi____: hi man, long time no see, where you've been? |
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| 11:27.11 | vi____ | Busy IRL. |
| 11:27.21 | SpeedEvil | hey |
| 11:27.24 | vi____ | How have you been FMG? |
| 11:27.35 | vi____ | and speedevil! |
| 11:27.42 | vi____ | We have a whole party here! |
| 11:27.57 | vi____ | My job told me take my holidays or lose them for the year. |
| 11:28.08 | vi____ | So I had to take all of December off work. |
| 11:28.36 | SpeedEvil | aww |
| 11:28.46 | SpeedEvil | poor you. :-) |
| 11:28.59 | freemangordon | oh, yes :( |
| 11:29.16 | freemangordon | How did you survive the whole month of a holiday? :P |
| 11:29.39 | vi____ | It was tough. A real challenge of my will, strength and metal. |
| 11:30.06 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 11:30.18 | vi____ | Actually the hardest thing was not allowing myself to waste time all day playing video games and other timewasteing shit. |
| 11:30.36 | freemangordon | goes off for lunch, bbl |
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| 11:46.52 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, ping |
| 11:50.27 | Ex-Opesa | Did the "grid guy" reply or anything? |
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| 12:50.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: pong |
| 12:59.06 | qwazix | Hi DocScrutinizer05, xes from tmo contacted me about becoming sysop |
| 12:59.29 | qwazix | I invited him to come to #maemo and discuss |
| 12:59.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 13:00.12 | qwazix | I introduced him a bit to the task at hand |
| 13:00.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | just today I feel like drowning in "WTF is wrong with *.maemo.org??!?!!" |
| 13:01.04 | qwazix | told him that he's the one who'll have to tell how much time will be needed or what the final architecture will be |
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| 13:01.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: if again Nemein is letting us down, we need to ponder alternative ways to a nice chat with them |
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| 13:01.27 | hanning | hey, are there currently known problems accessing the repos on maemo.org? |
| 13:01.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ... |
| 13:01.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ |
| 13:01.48 | hanning | looks like a yes? ;) |
| 13:02.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588#post1314588 |
| 13:02.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | [update2] |
| 13:02.37 | qwazix | yes and I wonder why doesn't freemangordon have a shitstorm of complaints yet |
| 13:02.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | /topic |
| 13:03.16 | qwazix | (I received today thumb update notification which cannot be installed due to normal repos down) |
| 13:04.07 | hanning | thanks |
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| 13:05.29 | hanning | btw is anyone using ssh+screen+irssi on maemo? some of irssi'S windows just dontT get updated correctly and i have no idea what'S the cause of this |
| 13:05.43 | qwazix | oh by the I also told xes that we still don't know about how much such a job could be paid, if at all, but it is not possible with current funds to even get close to market prices for this kind of job |
| 13:05.59 | qwazix | s/by the/by the way/ |
| 13:06.21 | qwazix | That's all, just keeping you posted in case I'm not around when he shows up. |
| 13:10.30 | ShadowJK | hanning; tried pressing page down? |
| 13:12.09 | Lava_Croft | hanning: or /redraw |
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| 13:14.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: we need to kick some backsides right now |
| 13:15.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: *.maemo.org downtime just exceeded 24h |
| 13:15.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: my patience is used up |
| 13:15.30 | qwazix | I'm not sure I get the meaning of the idiom 'kick backsides' |
| 13:15.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/backside/a**/ |
| 13:15.58 | qwazix | ok |
| 13:16.37 | qwazix | What do you have in mind instead of screaming @nemein? |
| 13:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm willing to wait another 60min for Eero to answer my "wtf is going on?" query |
| 13:16.48 | qwazix | s/instead/apart from/ |
| 13:17.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | then we need to evaluate our options |
| 13:17.32 | qwazix | Big Q: do we have the VHD's at hand? |
| 13:17.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all it's still nokia responsibility, since transfer to hiFo not yet happened |
| 13:17.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | VHD? |
| 13:17.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf vhd |
| 13:18.05 | qwazix | Virtual hard disks. Can we do anything bypassing nemein completely? |
| 13:18.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 13:18.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | nuttin |
| 13:18.36 | qwazix | swell... |
| 13:19.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia is supposed to pay Nemein for a service. we don't see that service happening |
| 13:19.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | who's to blame? |
| 13:19.57 | qwazix | yeah but we can't ping Nokia quickly anyway |
| 13:20.07 | qwazix | I has to be done through board |
| 13:20.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh sure we can, don't you think there's going to rise a shitstorm if we ask community to give Nokia helpdesk a phonecall? |
| 13:20.45 | kerio | :D |
| 13:20.47 | qwazix | hahaha, |
| 13:21.03 | vi____ | You need me to phone nokia helpsdesk? |
| 13:21.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: you're free to do that any time |
| 13:21.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 13:21.30 | qwazix | Imagine if one letter to elop caused a reaction, what will happen if everybody called Nokia... |
| 13:21.39 | vi____ | What? |
| 13:21.44 | vi____ | A letter fo flop? |
| 13:21.48 | vi____ | what happened? |
| 13:21.54 | vi____ | ^to flop |
| 13:22.26 | qwazix | Yeah, one member sent a letter to elop, in no way implying that he was talking on behalf of community |
| 13:22.39 | vi____ | ...and? |
| 13:22.59 | qwazix | and people negotiating with board for the infra told board not to do this again |
| 13:23.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, he got an answer |
| 13:23.05 | vi____ | was it abill_uk? |
| 13:23.23 | vi____ | wyho was it? |
| 13:23.27 | vi____ | estel? |
| 13:23.37 | vi____ | orange box? |
| 13:23.40 | vi____ | qwerty12? |
| 13:23.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it been board telling the user not to do this again, while nokia didn't even mention it |
| 13:23.47 | vi____ | oh |
| 13:25.48 | Gh0sty | what was the letter about? |
| 13:26.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's just that board suspected that this letter caused certain people in Nokia to get aware of maemo and thus taking action so secdond draft of contracts they offered was worse than first |
| 13:27.04 | qwazix | My take is that those two things are just unrelated |
| 13:27.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | my take on it though is that board's answer and comments/complaints about first contract draft made lawyers aware of problems they didn't even notice with their first draft |
| 13:28.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, *.maemo.org down, Nemein not responding since ~24h |
| 13:28.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm waiting another 32min, then pondering what gun to fire next |
| 13:29.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | warming up the MTHELs |
| 13:29.55 | Aoyagi | Nuke it from orbit. |
| 13:30.33 | Aoyagi | And dealings of the community with Nokia sound really interesting. Dedication too, huh. |
| 13:30.47 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: wanna land you a BFG9000? |
| 13:31.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCBwLJjzDJQ |
| 13:32.05 | qwazix | I prefer dual enforcers and a redeemer |
| 13:33.13 | Aoyagi | Enforcers are great. |
| 13:33.32 | jonwil | is trying to figure out what part of Maemo to reverse engineer next |
| 13:34.06 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: nice |
| 13:34.30 | freemangordon | jonwil: what has happened with clockd? |
| 13:34.51 | jonwil | Didn't get anywhere with that |
| 13:35.06 | jonwil | mostly because it has a whole pile of features I just cant test |
| 13:35.10 | kerio | jonwil: icd2 applet |
| 13:35.25 | jonwil | yeah I am seriously considering the mess that is ICD |
| 13:35.30 | kerio | to add gprs connections and configure gprs, usb and dummy |
| 13:35.55 | freemangordon | kerio: why not bnep too |
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| 13:36.39 | jonwil | ok, so the ICD daemon and its plugins support these features but the various configuration applets do not? |
| 13:37.13 | kerio | freemangordon: i kinda don't want bnep in icd2's hands |
| 13:37.22 | kerio | unless as a PANU i suppos |
| 13:37.23 | kerio | e |
| 13:38.48 | jonwil | but yeah I have already been investigating the connectivity UI for ages with little success |
| 13:39.06 | jonwil | The only reason I was able to do connui-home-cellular is because its comparitivley simple |
| 13:39.57 | jonwil | but I think for the GPRS stuff one would need to look at connui-iapsettings-gprs |
| 13:40.22 | vi____ | reverse microb plox |
| 13:40.35 | jonwil | microb engine is open |
| 13:40.45 | jonwil | microb UI is far too complex to reverse engineer for a novice like me |
| 13:40.58 | kerio | freemangordon: it's kinda easy to configure a NAP for point-to-point connection |
| 13:40.59 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; I'm guessing the machines are overloaded :D |
| 13:41.04 | kerio | as a fire and forget thing |
| 13:41.18 | jonwil | Especially since it uses C++ (microb that is) |
| 13:41.23 | kerio | you need luf's bluez and kp52 though |
| 13:41.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: some network issues it seems |
| 13:42.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: [2013-01-14 17:21:16] <mashiara> I have a feeling you slashdotted us, the cpu loads were manageable but I fear there is some throttle on the network somewhere |
| 13:42.32 | jonwil | but yeah reverse engineering anything using GTK is very hard :( |
| 13:47.34 | ShadowJK | lol, maemo slashdotting something.. shows there's still users :P |
| 13:47.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | 60,000 last I heard |
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| 13:49.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I actually hope some of them already started pestering Nokia helpdesk about their online update / HAM stopped working |
| 13:50.39 | ShadowJK | most wont notice |
| 13:51.22 | ShadowJK | guesses upper bound for "auto update" bandwidth as 70Mbit/s |
| 13:52.03 | ShadowJK | if we could push non-cssu update to increase update refresh interval to a week... :) |
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| 13:54.29 | jonwil | ok, so someone wanna suggest something I can actually reverse engineer? :) |
| 13:55.45 | freemangordon | jonwil: mce? there is x86 binary |
| 13:55.58 | jonwil | already tried MCE and failed :) |
| 13:56.09 | freemangordon | even with hexrays? |
| 13:56.39 | jonwil | yes |
| 13:56.49 | jonwil | I have tried and failed to clone some of the MCE plugins |
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| 13:59.21 | freemangordon | jonwil: there are plenty of x86 closed binaries in "/usr/lib/hildon-control-panel" |
| 13:59.58 | jonwil | I am thinking maybe I will go with my original plan and start looking deeper into ICD |
| 14:02.29 | jonwil | there are definitely x86 closed bins in hildon-control-panel but with *.maemo.org out of action, I cant get at the binaries in question |
| 14:02.32 | jonwil | :) |
| 14:02.55 | freemangordon | jonwil: hmm, those should be in SB |
| 14:03.02 | jonwil | maybe I should forget the whole thing and go back to watching my whole-series box set of "The West Wing" :) |
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| 14:05.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: do you think you can drum up the rest of "maemo management" (niel, MT, Ivan, the HiFo) to finally join for disaster management permanent meeting on IRC? |
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| 14:17.49 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, later today I can (3-4h from now) |
| 14:18.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | good, i have to manage some private pressing affairs, we should meet in #maemo-meeting |
| 14:18.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: ^^^ |
| 14:19.03 | qwazix | Timeframe? |
| 14:19.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ASAP |
| 14:19.22 | qwazix | k |
| 14:19.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and permanent until disaster managed |
| 14:24.15 | vi____ | can you reverse me some moar rams? |
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| 15:13.18 | jonwil | bah, its too hot and humid here to do anything that requires actual thinking :) |
| 15:15.27 | jonwil | at least my Gentoo emerge pass finally finished emerging gcc :) |
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| 15:26.30 | thedead1440 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1315143&postcount=96 <--- temp mirror with all repos till normal service is resumed |
| 15:34.20 | RST38h | Doc: Hey, Doc, how do I upgrade to a new CSSU nowadays? Nokia's repository appears to be permanently down |
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| 15:44.04 | Pali | RST38h, CSSU repos are mirrored here: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ |
| 15:44.53 | Pali | RST38h, this is semi official mirror which is here for months |
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| 15:55.40 | Ex-Opesa | thedead1440: The site is up, but fremantle's extras, etc are 404? |
| 15:56.07 | Ex-Opesa | thedead1440: Whole http://5.9.155.69/repository.maemo.org/ seems to be 404 |
| 15:56.21 | thedead1440 | Ex-Opesa: did you add it to your phone? |
| 15:56.28 | thedead1440 | Directory browsing i disabled hence 404 |
| 15:56.33 | thedead1440 | s/i/is/ |
| 15:57.26 | thedead1440 | damn: I meant directory browsing is disabled; add it to your sources.list or whatever on device and it'll work |
| 15:57.42 | Ex-Opesa | thedead1440: No, I didn't sorry. Normally repos are not restricted as such. Sorry! Thank you! I can finally install the apps, reflashed the mob yesterday actually. |
| 15:58.57 | thedead1440 | Ex-Opesa: its not only me; brkn and DocScrutinizer05 are the main architects of it :) |
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| 16:00.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: thanks for IP spreading ^^^ |
| 16:00.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | FUCK >:-( |
| 16:00.25 | Ex-Opesa | thedead1440: Right. Thanks to all of you ^ |
| 16:01.10 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: i posted the link to the post; he was fast hence he got the IP; not me :( |
| 16:01.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway now it's in chanlog thus in spiders of anybody |
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| 16:02.17 | Ex-Opesa | Okay...Sorry, shouldn't have posted here. Its static and home server? ^ |
| 16:02.52 | thedead1440 | nah its Hetzner's server |
| 16:03.02 | thedead1440 | but static yes |
| 16:03.48 | Ex-Opesa | Right. |
| 16:03.50 | Lava_Croft | I want to express my symtpathy for the people dealing with this bullshit and making sure us users don't suffer too much |
| 16:03.54 | Lava_Croft | in other words, thanks |
| 16:04.19 | RST38h | Pali: understood |
| 16:04.20 | Ex-Opesa | Yes, thanks! |
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| 16:10.12 | lunde | hello |
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| 16:10.52 | lunde | anyone knows where we can upload files of 500 mb size |
| 16:12.31 | lunde | there is a guy on maemo who wnats to do so I am helping him because the file contains some data which might be useful for cssu devs |
| 16:13.02 | thedead1440 | lunde: https://sizablesend.com/ |
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| 16:14.12 | Ex-Opesa | lunde: adrive.com perhaps |
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| 16:19.19 | lunde | thank you everyone |
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| 16:50.15 | Ex-Opesa | I am tired of this error: ""W: Failed to fetch <insert long URL of <fremantle extras repos> Hash Sum mismatch"". I tried to rm -rf /opt/fapman-cache/lists and created partial folder, etc. Still the error persists. |
| 16:50.44 | Ex-Opesa | It starts with "W", meaning warning, should I just ignore it? |
| 16:50.44 | freemangordon | Ex-Opesa: repos are down, be patient |
| 16:51.12 | RST38h | how patient? |
| 16:51.29 | Ex-Opesa | freemangordon: I am using the temporary repos by thedead1440, Doc and brkn. (thanks to them) |
| 16:51.44 | freemangordon | RST38h: is it me supposed to answer? |
| 16:52.47 | freemangordon | last I know (from ~ 1 hour ago) is that nemein is trying to find what's wrong in their and/or their ISP network |
| 16:53.48 | freemangordon | seems like the traffic shaping is misconfigured, I hope they wiil find the problem soon |
| 16:58.28 | kerio | Ex-Opesa: also |
| 16:58.29 | kerio | ~fapman |
| 16:58.29 | infobot | hmm... fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever |
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| 16:59.44 | amospalla | which problems are known about fapman? |
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| 17:00.02 | amospalla | I only use it |
| 17:02.38 | Ex-Opesa | kerio: O_o. Really? I have been using it for more then a year, it never caused me an issue. Can you help me with this "Hash mismatch issue"? |
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| 17:07.11 | kerio | it's probably just some repo weirdness |
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| 17:20.02 | Ex-Opesa | Yea |
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| 18:08.53 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, do you still need me to try and gather everybody? |
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| 18:10.03 | qwazix | I think it's better to not start spamming the channel with discussions. |
| 18:16.34 | qwazix | wonders if DocScrutinizer had an accident while playing with the MTHEL's, and everybody is now dead |
| 18:20.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | qwazix: I think we should still try to let council.* know |
| 18:20.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | in the end it's not juist me being responsible for maemo.org infra being up and running |
| 18:21.17 | GeneralAntilles | You touched it last. |
| 18:21.19 | GeneralAntilles | It's yours now. |
| 18:22.51 | kerio | ahah |
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| 18:37.22 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer51, ok, will fire up mail client in a while |
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| 19:22.26 | dafox | Hi all. Is there something wrong with the repositories or is it just me? I keep getting 'unable to connect' for a few for the past few days... |
| 19:22.43 | kerio | dafox: /topic |
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| 19:22.52 | kerio | dafox: it's not quite down, but it's still unusuable |
| 19:23.05 | kerio | but it's not the past few days, it's just today |
| 19:23.14 | kerio | and maybe a bit yesterday |
| 19:23.20 | dafox | mm, I've had it since sunday I think |
| 19:23.41 | dafox | sunday evening that is, so depending on timezone that may be yesterday.... |
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| 19:25.07 | dafox | anyway, you may want to move that bit of info to the front of the topic, and/or make it more pronounced, as I've completely missed it... |
| 19:25.13 | kerio | indeed |
| 19:25.57 | freemangordon | anyone python here? |
| 19:26.08 | kerio | i python a bit |
| 19:26.21 | kerio | i'm not any good at GUI toolkits though |
| 19:26.25 | freemangordon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:26.33 | freemangordon | SyntaxError: invalid syntax |
| 19:26.38 | freemangordon | and points to for |
| 19:26.51 | kerio | try max((os.path.getmtime(p) for p in deps)) |
| 19:27.01 | freemangordon | ok |
| 19:27.16 | kerio | the actual generator expression is (os.path.getmtime(p) for p in deps), the special case for when it's the only argument to a function was added in a certain version |
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| 19:27.36 | freemangordon | makes no difference |
| 19:27.46 | kerio | then it's something on the line before :) |
| 19:28.18 | freemangordon | ok, thanks |
| 19:28.31 | kerio | what was it? i wonder why it was put on "for" instead of before |
| 19:28.37 | freemangordon | kerio: it is 2.7 script, I am trying to run it on 2.5 |
| 19:28.50 | kerio | ooh, nasty |
| 19:29.01 | kerio | especially because 2.7 backports a lot of neat stuff from py3k |
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| 19:30.17 | freemangordon | kerio: I had to replace sone @property things with 2.5 get_ syntax, I am not sure I did it right |
| 19:30.22 | freemangordon | *some |
| 19:30.42 | kerio | hm, why? |
| 19:31.34 | freemangordon | http://pastebin.com/yxs8igV4 |
| 19:31.36 | kerio | decorators are in 2.5, you're only missing property.setter and property.deleter |
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| 19:32.00 | freemangordon | kerio: because i've never, ever, written a line of code in python :D |
| 19:32.33 | kerio | those "thing = property(get_thing)" are misintendet |
| 19:32.35 | kerio | misindented |
| 19:32.56 | kerio | but really, @property should work, and if it doesn't work, just overwrite the same name |
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| 19:33.18 | freemangordon | I have sysntax error for @property |
| 19:33.32 | freemangordon | kerio: where should I move those |
| 19:34.26 | freemangordon | by looking here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1965117/why-my-code-run-wrong-it-is-about-property it is ok |
| 19:34.47 | kerio | you don't need setters, right? |
| 19:34.54 | freemangordon | yep |
| 19:35.06 | freemangordon | (aiui :D ) |
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| 19:36.10 | kerio | freemangordon: one sec |
| 19:36.36 | kerio | freemangordon: http://pastebin.ca/2302833 |
| 19:37.15 | kerio | what i wrote is **exactly** what @property would do |
| 19:37.16 | freemangordon | i've tried that, gave me syntax error. but i'll try it again |
| 19:37.23 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 19:37.36 | kerio | as in, the same down to the bytecode |
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| 19:39.12 | freemangordon | still, the same erroro :( |
| 19:39.16 | freemangordon | *error |
| 19:39.41 | kerio | which error? |
| 19:39.51 | kerio | also, what's your python version? |
| 19:39.55 | freemangordon | syntax error for "for" |
| 19:40.04 | kerio | where? |
| 19:40.17 | freemangordon | 2.5.2-3maemo4 |
| 19:40.20 | kerio | can i get a snippet? |
| 19:41.28 | freemangordon | just a second to install pastebinit |
| 19:42.45 | kerio | doesn't work i think |
| 19:42.50 | kerio | pastebin.com changed its API |
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| 19:43.33 | qwazix | Woody14619, hi! |
| 19:43.36 | freemangordon | kerio: http://pastebin.com/wWHvs88S |
| 19:43.52 | Woody14619 | howdy. :) |
| 19:43.54 | freemangordon | the error is on line 78 |
| 19:44.39 | qwazix | Woody14619, we're in a bit of a mess as you've seen. |
| 19:45.16 | freemangordon | kerio: oh, fuck |
| 19:45.27 | Woody14619 | Yeah. But then I never expected things to transition smoothly, so I'm not surprised. :) |
| 19:45.38 | freemangordon | kerio: see line 45 |
| 19:45.39 | freemangordon | :D |
| 19:45.55 | kerio | ? |
| 19:45.59 | kerio | that's not the error |
| 19:46.13 | freemangordon | proprty ;) |
| 19:46.15 | qwazix | In fact it's good that things are moving. Even at this rate. |
| 19:46.19 | kerio | that's not a syntax error |
| 19:46.38 | kerio | oh god, this uses print_function |
| 19:46.46 | freemangordon | i mistyped property |
| 19:46.52 | kerio | yeah, but that's not the error |
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| 19:47.16 | freemangordon | yes, but manifest_path is used for deps |
| 19:47.26 | kerio | python doesn't work that way |
| 19:47.33 | Woody14619 | nods. |
| 19:47.34 | freemangordon | oh |
| 19:47.46 | kerio | syntax errors happen before the rest |
| 19:47.56 | kerio | and i'm not getting any syntax error with any "for"s |
| 19:47.57 | freemangordon | I see |
| 19:48.13 | freemangordon | wich python |
| 19:48.18 | freemangordon | which python |
| 19:48.31 | kerio | Python 2.5.4 (r254:67916, May 17 2010, 21:00:32) |
| 19:48.41 | kerio | 2.5.2-3maemo4 from extras-devel |
| 19:48.55 | kerio | the syntax error i'm getting is on line 182 |
| 19:49.04 | kerio | because print is not a function in 2.5, and can never be |
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| 19:49.43 | kerio | you have to use the fucking chevron print statement |
| 19:49.45 | freemangordon | kerio: any chance to make that work with 2.5? |
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| 19:49.50 | kerio | one sec |
| 19:50.47 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer05 -> maemo.org is down - see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588 || Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 19:53.11 | freemangordon | kerio: oh, shit: Python 2.3.4 |
| 19:53.15 | kerio | wat |
| 19:53.26 | kerio | where? |
| 19:53.28 | freemangordon | "/usr/bin/python -V" |
| 19:53.40 | kerio | also, this is your own n900, right? |
| 19:53.50 | freemangordon | this is scratchbox |
| 19:54.44 | kerio | We're happy to announce the release of Python 2.3.4 (final) on May 27th, 2004. |
| 19:55.13 | tadzik | Perl on N900 is equally tragic |
| 19:55.16 | freemangordon | "/usr/bin/python2.5 -V: gives me Python 2.5.4 |
| 19:55.27 | kerio | i'm not going to help you run a script written for the latest python2 on a python version from when i was 12 |
| 19:55.36 | freemangordon | so I have it, it just does not run the correct binary |
| 19:55.44 | kerio | so change the shebang |
| 19:55.53 | freemangordon | kerio: sure |
| 19:57.01 | kerio | and of course you were getting errors |
| 19:57.19 | kerio | python2.3 has definetely no decorators and no genexprs |
| 19:57.23 | kerio | i'm not even sure it has list comprehensions |
| 19:57.32 | kerio | freemangordon: http://pastebin.ca/2302853 |
| 19:57.36 | kerio | this runs on python2.5 on the n900 |
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| 19:57.57 | freemangordon | though i don;t get it, /usr/bin/python is symlinked to /usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 19:58.04 | kerio | path? |
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| 19:58.38 | kerio | oh god i don't want to begin imagining what something like scratchbox does to your path |
| 19:58.59 | freemangordon | kerio: well, i guess SB has screwed it, thanks anyway, i'll try to fix it |
| 20:00.46 | freemangordon | checking for python... /scratchbox/tools/bin/python |
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| 20:00.49 | freemangordon | :D:D:D |
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| 20:10.09 | kerio | freemangordon: hm, am i a bad enough dude to upgrade to debian sid on my home server? |
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| 20:12.41 | freemangordon | no |
| 20:13.37 | freemangordon | kerio: BTW python script runs :) |
| 20:13.40 | kerio | yay |
| 20:14.11 | freemangordon | yep, I passed PYTHON= at command line :D |
| 20:15.10 | qwazix | freemangordon, have you seen the thread on tmo with the old harmattan proto? |
| 20:15.33 | freemangordon | qwazix: yep |
| 20:15.58 | qwazix | got the tarball? I suspect there may be interesting things in there regarding the N900 |
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| 20:16.12 | qwazix | that thing looks much closer to Maemo 5 |
| 20:16.13 | freemangordon | no, I don't have it |
| 20:16.40 | qwazix | pm that guy, he just uploaded the root and has given it out to select people via PM |
| 20:17.06 | freemangordon | yep, saw that. but I am on a different thing right now :) |
| 20:17.30 | kerio | freemangordon: huh, 60 packages to update |
| 20:17.59 | qwazix | Ok, just thought that if somebody should have that it's cssu people. |
| 20:18.13 | freemangordon | qwazix: sure |
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| 20:22.23 | freemangordon | yay, ipclite is building :D |
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| 20:42.45 | freemangordon | the fuck, it takes ages :( |
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| 20:52.36 | qwazix | Nokia hostility towards maemo reached new heights. User banned from Nokia Support Discussions for linking to tmo? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88591 |
| 20:53.04 | freemangordon | well, that's not exactly new :) |
| 20:53.12 | Aoyagi | No wonder, with that name... |
| 20:53.22 | freemangordon | "elophater69" |
| 20:53.25 | freemangordon | :D |
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| 20:55.32 | kerio | ELO Phat ER 69 |
| 20:55.39 | qwazix | haha, didn't know that was the username... |
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| 20:56.04 | kerio | free mango r don |
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| 21:00.49 | freemangordon | kerio: help http://pastebin.com/XR7ZsHex , line 206, syntax error on "open" |
| 21:01.12 | freemangordon | no more free mango for you :P |
| 21:01.22 | kerio | add a "from __future__ import with_statement" before the first import |
| 21:01.32 | freemangordon | thanks |
| 21:02.00 | kerio | python is cool like that |
| 21:02.04 | kerio | it lets you import shit from the future |
| 21:02.43 | freemangordon | huh, cool? |
| 21:02.57 | kerio | i lied, it's not actually from the future |
| 21:03.23 | freemangordon | thanks god I have to deal with C/++ and ASM :D:D:D |
| 21:03.32 | freemangordon | this thing is UGLY |
| 21:03.36 | kerio | fu |
| 21:04.21 | freemangordon | how is that possible identation to mark a block?!? this is crazy |
| 21:04.40 | qwazix | freemangordon, nothing is ugly if you get used to javascript :) |
| 21:04.40 | kerio | haha |
| 21:04.56 | kerio | how is that possible, braces to mark a block?!? this is crazy |
| 21:05.29 | kerio | freemangordon: from __future__ import braces |
| 21:05.32 | freemangordon | qwazix: actually javascript is almost like C (syntax-wise) |
| 21:05.37 | kerio | try it in the interactive interpreter |
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| 21:06.10 | freemangordon | "SyntaxError: from __future__ imports must occur at the beginning of the file" |
| 21:06.20 | kerio | in the interactive interpreter i said |
| 21:06.21 | freemangordon | the fuck?!? it is at the begining |
| 21:06.21 | qwazix | freemangordon, it is but because of the extensive use of callbacks and inline functions and json and prototyping it tends to get ugly real quick |
| 21:06.23 | kerio | oh |
| 21:06.34 | kerio | freemangordon: have you put it *before* the "import math"? |
| 21:06.47 | freemangordon | no |
| 21:06.52 | freemangordon | why should I? |
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| 21:07.00 | kerio | well then it's not at the beginning, is it |
| 21:07.05 | kerio | you did a whole thing before it |
| 21:07.14 | kerio | created an object |
| 21:07.23 | freemangordon | at the begining there are comments and a newline |
| 21:07.25 | freemangordon | :D |
| 21:07.29 | kerio | after the comments |
| 21:07.32 | kerio | before "import math" |
| 21:07.38 | freemangordon | ok |
| 21:07.57 | freemangordon | this is a no-brainer :D |
| 21:08.23 | kerio | anyway, try "from __future__ import braces" in the interactive interpreter |
| 21:08.33 | qwazix | {foo: bar = function(baz){ something(function(goo){ return zoo }); } } |
| 21:08.44 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 21:08.47 | qwazix | ^^^ ugly enough? |
| 21:08.58 | freemangordon | qwazix: but it is in braces :P |
| 21:09.25 | qwazix | yeah, at least I could write that in one line |
| 21:09.33 | freemangordon | so it does not matter how many spaces/tabs/CR you'll have |
| 21:09.34 | kerio | what's the "foo:" supposed to be? |
| 21:09.42 | qwazix | In python they gave up and they support only single line lambdas :) |
| 21:09.53 | kerio | single *expression* lambdas |
| 21:09.54 | freemangordon | kerio: I guess a typo |
| 21:10.20 | freemangordon | is not aware if jscript has labels |
| 21:10.38 | kerio | {"foo": lambda baz: something(lambda goo: zoo)} |
| 21:10.46 | kerio | er, well |
| 21:10.52 | kerio | {"foo": (lambda baz: something(lambda goo: zoo))} |
| 21:11.20 | qwazix | It has labels |
| 21:11.32 | qwazix | the whole thing inside outer braces is an object |
| 21:11.45 | kerio | my whole thing inside braces is a dict |
| 21:12.26 | freemangordon | I think (now when I am an expert :D) that python is almost as ugly as prolog |
| 21:12.33 | kerio | freemangordon: no srsly, fu |
| 21:13.01 | qwazix | bar = {tee: "something", foo: function(baz){ something(function(goo){ return zoo }); } } |
| 21:13.05 | qwazix | now it's correct |
| 21:13.14 | freemangordon | but at least the"future" is now compiling :D |
| 21:13.22 | qwazix | previously the "bar =" thingie was wrong |
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| 21:14.50 | freemangordon | kerio: will that "future with" be compatible with 2.6 and above? |
| 21:15.08 | kerio | yep |
| 21:15.29 | freemangordon | __future__ is for future versions? |
| 21:15.58 | kerio | "from __future__ import foo" is a particular statement that's not actually an import |
| 21:16.13 | kerio | it enables or disables stuff in the parser |
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| 21:16.30 | kerio | it's for changes in the syntax |
| 21:16.44 | freemangordon | hmm, too complicated for me :) |
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| 21:27.28 | qwazix | the thing I can't understand in python is why have arrays, lists and dicts as a different entity |
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| 21:27.54 | qwazix | couldn't it be one thing altogether and store whatever you like in it? |
| 21:27.56 | tadzik | er, how on earth do you expect array to be equal to hashtables? |
| 21:28.09 | tadzik | (or whatever they are under the hood) |
| 21:28.15 | tadzik | different things should be different |
| 21:28.22 | qwazix | why not? in php it works like a charm |
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| 21:28.41 | tadzik | sorry, but "php" and "works like a charm" just doesn't sound ok for me |
| 21:28.49 | tadzik | but otoh, lua lives with that iirc |
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| 21:29.03 | tadzik | and I still thing it's not too good |
| 21:29.31 | qwazix | I don't have any special love for php but I've used it enough and the fact that arrays = hashtables has never caused a problem |
| 21:29.32 | kerio | qwazix: because arrays aren't in python, lists are vectors, and dicts are hashtables |
| 21:29.38 | tadzik | from performance to educational reasons |
| 21:29.42 | kerio | for fuck's sake how can they be the same thing |
| 21:29.57 | kerio | (no, we don't talk about the array module) |
| 21:30.07 | tadzik | I've seen python programmers for whom the main difference between an array and a hash was that you index array by int and a hash by string |
| 21:30.14 | qwazix | kerio: "import array" |
| 21:30.30 | kerio | i just said we don't talk about the array module |
| 21:30.43 | qwazix | yeah, just seen that sry |
| 21:30.45 | kerio | also, if you want a good array implementation, install numpy |
| 21:30.59 | qwazix | yep, that's what I'm using |
| 21:31.07 | qwazix | trying to port an old script of mine from matlab |
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| 21:32.40 | qwazix | xes, DocScrutinizer05, want to chat about sysop? |
| 21:32.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, not today |
| 21:33.00 | Pali | WTF is files.maemo.org ?? |
| 21:33.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | or just a minute |
| 21:33.10 | xes | why not... |
| 21:33.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: I'm terribly annoyed by today's downtime/fsckup of *.maemo.org |
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| 21:34.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: what could you do for maemo admin? |
| 21:35.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, what are you qualified to do, and what are you ready and willing to do? |
| 21:35.26 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: today i asked qwazix about the request for a sysop... i would understand exactly what you are searching for.. |
| 21:36.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: we got two beefy irons, with like 16 VM on them, and we need somebody for the "housekeeping" at very least |
| 21:37.04 | qwazix | Don't really got them yet, |
| 21:37.13 | qwazix | but we will pretty soon |
| 21:37.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, eventually we will |
| 21:37.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe |
| 21:37.26 | xes | usually i build systems over blade centers with xen server 4.1 and iscsi storage |
| 21:37.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | that sounds kinda... just what we're looking for |
| 21:38.13 | xes | for sure it is import to evaluate the weight... |
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| 21:39.16 | xes | ...the virtualization system you would choose may change the hw requirements |
| 21:39.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing decided yet |
| 21:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | we'll get the disk images probably |
| 21:39.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | of the VM |
| 21:40.13 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, may I share the infrastructureforHildonFoundation.pdf |
| 21:40.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 21:40.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's already public |
| 21:40.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | on maemo.cloud-7.de |
| 21:40.36 | qwazix | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/hidden/maemo.orginfrastructureforHildonFoundation.pdf |
| 21:40.41 | xes | and concerning the storage? qwazix talked about 4tb... organized in? |
| 21:40.55 | qwazix | (I was just worrying about that hidden path in the link) |
| 21:41.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: was too lazy to move it out of there |
| 21:41.19 | qwazix | ok |
| 21:41.38 | qwazix | xes, let me tell you the story from the beginning |
| 21:41.52 | qwazix | Nokia's idea was to buy us two boxen for the autobuilders |
| 21:41.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: Nemein informed us that it will kinda be similar to the lean design in that pdf |
| 21:41.55 | xes | ubuntu vm? |
| 21:42.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 21:42.24 | qwazix | and have the rest of them (wiki, tmo, midgard, garage etc) hosted somewhere else |
| 21:42.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I Aint No Sysop |
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| 21:43.05 | qwazix | But there's no way that we can afford both CoLo and VM hosting |
| 21:43.27 | qwazix | and as Nokia isn't willing to trade the boxen for money or even hosting |
| 21:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | we can't afford managed hosting of 12 or 18 xen-VM plus Colo and maintenance for that iron |
| 21:43.45 | qwazix | We're left with trying to fit everything on the iron |
| 21:44.03 | qwazix | so the initial configuration was huge ram and low disk for the iron |
| 21:44.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | (fit on iron) for a start at least |
| 21:44.27 | qwazix | We could chip in to increase the disk or trade ram for disk |
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| 21:44.42 | xes | ..ok... first of all, you should start from money to spend for hardware |
| 21:44.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | we probably don't want to trade any of the RAM |
| 21:45.16 | qwazix | Budget for purchase of hardware is 7000eur from Nokia |
| 21:45.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: the hardware virtually already exists, we can just change minor specs on it |
| 21:45.49 | qwazix | And we could possibly add some change to that from HiFo funds |
| 21:45.57 | xes | ok... but vitually is good word for a vm but not for what we have.. :) |
| 21:46.06 | xes | ..or not.. |
| 21:46.33 | qwazix | Also we need to minimize rack space. |
| 21:46.51 | xes | the first good choice is put the money in the right things |
| 21:46.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: the plan is: Nemein buys that iron, moves stuff there, donates it to community, and we get rid of it again as soon as possible |
| 21:47.03 | qwazix | we REALLY need to minimize rackspace |
| 21:47.03 | kerio | hahaha |
| 21:47.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: ...and move to dedi servers from e.g Hetzner |
| 21:47.34 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: ok |
| 21:47.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | we can't pay or maintain CoLo |
| 21:48.29 | xes | ..the link to the pdf is just a future plan? And the actual situation? |
| 21:48.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | and if any of those blades emits blue magic smoke, we're out of business permanently |
| 21:49.06 | qwazix | the actual situation is that the VM's are hosted in nemeins xen grid |
| 21:49.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | the actual situation is: Nemein moved everything to xen-grid VM |
| 21:49.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | interim |
| 21:49.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | until the iron is set up |
| 21:49.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia paid for "hosting" til end of Feb |
| 21:49.55 | kerio | can't we... keep it there? |
| 21:50.05 | xes | ...xen-grid = good news.. :) |
| 21:50.31 | qwazix | kerio, the number floating around is 250eur/mo/vm |
| 21:50.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | then we're in for at least 200EUR/iron-month, for bare rackspace (+traffic and electricity?) |
| 21:50.39 | qwazix | and we have 12 of them |
| 21:50.47 | kerio | wait, *for each vm*? |
| 21:50.51 | qwazix | (maybe more if we include scratchbox) |
| 21:50.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | yessir |
| 21:50.54 | kerio | what are these vm made of, diamond bits? |
| 21:51.06 | qwazix | kerio, virtual diamond bits |
| 21:51.20 | kerio | qwazix: those are called bitcoins |
| 21:52.01 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: is that the general price, or the price they're giving us? |
| 21:52.24 | qwazix | It's an "estimated cost" |
| 21:52.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw 250/month is what Hetzer calls for a managed LAMP VM, we need managed root VM |
| 21:53.09 | xes | ..i need to read with attention the pdf... and again this chat |
| 21:53.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | might as well be 10 times as much for those |
| 21:53.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, we got no quote from Nemein yet |
| 21:53.42 | kerio | oh, managed? |
| 21:53.49 | kerio | as in, they also give us a sysop? |
| 21:53.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I don't think we want any |
| 21:54.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: those are xen-grid engines, they hardly drop them on our feet unmanaged |
| 21:55.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | and we hardly get access to the xen management console |
| 21:55.34 | xes | but... do you think that this kind of information could stay logged here? |
| 21:55.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | so aiui yes, this is an offer only available incl sysop |
| 21:55.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: sorry? |
| 21:56.16 | qwazix | It's not that we've given out root passwords so why not? |
| 21:56.46 | qwazix | If you skim over friday 18.00 utc meetings over on #maemo-meeting logs you'll find more info |
| 21:56.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 21:57.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: thanks |
| 21:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | also the Friday before |
| 21:58.07 | xes | ok.. i think i have a lot to read.. |
| 21:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and if you read today's log of smae chan, you'll find updates to current fsckup |
| 21:59.05 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, there was another document in google docs that xes might find useful, got it handy? |
| 21:59.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | th eIP stuff? |
| 21:59.30 | qwazix | yep I think that was it |
| 21:59.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | on cloud7 in migration-project |
| 21:59.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~interim-dns |
| 21:59.52 | infobot | hmm... interim-dns is "http://mwkn.net/2013/01/community.html and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts" |
| 22:00.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and similar files |
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| 22:02.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: right today we could use somebody controlling the DNS changes that happened ~24h ago, and confirm if all are correct |
| 22:02.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I did several times, and I think some are not correct yet |
| 22:02.47 | xes | I'm sorry but i would undersand the situation .. starting at half migration requires some information about before and after....Please be patient for my questions |
| 22:02.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | however that's not my primary competence |
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| 22:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: a short history: *.maemo.org lived on ~16...20 akamai(?) server(-clusters) owned by Nokia, together with maemo-unrelated stuff. Nokia decided to "donate" all maemo stuff to community and ordered Nemein (their hoster/maintenance service) to move stuff to dedicated locations that have no unrelated bits anymore, and then donate that to community |
| 22:07.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nemein came up with a plan how to do that (http://maemo.cloud-7.de/hidden/maemo.orginfrastructureforHildonFoundation.pdf) and since the server irons are not installed yet, they interim moved everything to xen-grid VM |
| 22:08.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | yesterday Nokia switched the DNS records to point to those new VM |
| 22:08.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | parially... :-/ |
| 22:08.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | partially... :-/ |
| 22:08.51 | xes | so all the vm are already working inside a xen host? and ready to be moved anywhere? |
| 22:08.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 22:09.02 | xes | :) |
| 22:09.14 | xes | and where is the problem? |
| 22:09.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | but we won't get access to those |
| 22:09.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | since they are maintained by Nemein |
| 22:10.35 | xes | ..so every application service should be reinstalled and reconfigured again? |
| 22:10.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | we can't afford those maintained xen-grid VM, so we asked Nemein to move them to the iron(s) once they got installed |
| 22:11.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | so we can run them in vmware or whatever instances on those irons |
| 22:11.10 | ShadowJK | what dns names are still not moved? |
| 22:11.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: nfc |
| 22:11.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik repository.maemo.org has no A record yet |
| 22:11.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe meanwhile it has |
| 22:11.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | others to be checked |
| 22:12.19 | xes | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess yes |
| 22:13.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | first move the VMs to the iron, then consolidate a bit, then move again to Hetzner dedi servers |
| 22:13.06 | xes | i suppose they are using xenserver5.. is it correct? |
| 22:13.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 22:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | the iron isn't even ordered yet |
| 22:14.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I asked nemein if they could provide the VM images on the iron, so we can start them there, they answered "should be feasible". that's all, and disclaimer "iirc" |
| 22:14.46 | xes | with Hetzner dedi server you that they will host phisically or in another vm grid? |
| 22:15.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | we will get whatever we need and can pay for |
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| 22:15.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | so most probably physical dedicated servers |
| 22:15.53 | xes | also use the 2 "taxi" irons? |
| 22:15.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hetzner doesn't offer root grid vm afaik |
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| 22:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | we want to get rid of any "own" hardware |
| 22:16.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | no CoLo please |
| 22:17.35 | ShadowJK | my script reports repository. still has same A record as yesterday :) |
| 22:17.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least that's our take on it right now, but we all Aint No Sysops |
| 22:18.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: so does it point to new IP? |
| 22:19.12 | ShadowJK | What is "new ip"? |
| 22:19.16 | xes | after the first step you will obtain a bunch of vm and sxp files... Porting all to Hetzener will mean to install all again (if they not provide root access to vm) |
| 22:19.23 | ShadowJK | ...59.203 still |
| 22:19.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts |
| 22:20.00 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: can't we sell the servers back to nemein, btw? |
| 22:20.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: the idea is to run the vm on our own root server |
| 22:20.47 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; yep been that since yesterday afternoon |
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| 22:21.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I wasn't able to ask them yet |
| 22:22.25 | xes | ..."our own root server?" ...That we already have? Not the 2 irons? |
| 22:22.49 | qwazix | No, to get a rented root server from Hetzner and run the VM's on it |
| 22:23.00 | qwazix | without reinstalling stuff |
| 22:23.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: no we don't have that yet |
| 22:23.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | we might get a few of those 32GB octocore |
| 22:23.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~100bucks per month |
| 22:24.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sorry |
| 22:24.05 | infobot | ACTION appologizes profusely to everyone, points at the spammers, and says: "IT'S THEIR FAULT, I DIDN'T WANNA DO IT!!!" |
| 22:24.51 | kerio | we understand, infobot |
| 22:24.55 | kerio | ~botsnack |
| 22:24.55 | infobot | :), kerio |
| 22:25.07 | xes | :) |
| 22:26.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: do you still feel like helping? :-) Or are you already scared or pissed by the mess? |
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| 22:30.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ok, managed LAMP servers are starting at even 99EUR, see http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/produktmatrix/managed-server-produktmatrix, however we need server with root access, and those aren't |
| 22:30.53 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: ... :) not scared... it is what i do every day, nothing strange, nothing more. Now i need to understand well the situation reading taking some time to read the info you sent me. Then we will talk about what you would expect from me.....mess..yes, a few :) ..but i know that also when i try to describe my xenchilds it seems to a lot of mess from an external eye |
| 22:31.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 22:31.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | what we expect from you? simple: HEEEEELP!! ;-D |
| 22:32.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | look, we basically all have no f*ng clue about that stuff |
| 22:32.33 | qwazix | ^^^ yes, that |
| 22:32.53 | qwazix | so even some guidance is of extreme value |
| 22:34.17 | xes | ..now i have to disconnect to complete a maintenance |
| 22:34.58 | xes | if you have some info to read send me an email... |
| 22:35.14 | qwazix | I'll be going too |
| 22:35.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo sysop-wanted is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-15.log.html#t2013-01-15T23:34:52 |
| 22:35.20 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 22:35.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: what's your email addr? |
| 22:36.03 | xes | i send you a pm |
| 22:36.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 22:36.47 | qwazix | xes mine is same as my nick at gmail |
| 22:36.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | please to joerg at openmoko org, not to <anything> at maemo org since ML are down |
| 22:38.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | (of course you can and should CC council at maemo-org) |
| 22:38.23 | qwazix | which doesn't work atm |
| 22:39.54 | xes | done |
| 22:39.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 22:40.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: thanks for everything |
| 22:40.31 | xes | nothing ...until now ;) |
| 22:41.25 | qwazix | mail received. Got to go. Have a nice night. |
| 22:41.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: o/ |
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| 22:42.13 | xes | bye! |
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| 23:09.17 | ShadowJK | is ML getting migrated? I noticed yesterday it was hosted at a different place alltogether |
| 23:09.48 | ShadowJK | or atleast dns pointing that way |
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| 23:15.21 | r00t|home | i work as a sysadmin... and i'm reading all this maemo.org stuff... |
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| 23:26.45 | MentalistTraceur | ShadowJK, judging by the fact that the council mailing list fails to deliver, and I believe so does the main mailing list, I'd say yeah, the DNS changed. |
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| 23:31.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, the list.maemo.org DNS moved to a new VM, and delivering mails often fails due to rDNS not yet set up correctly (state of yesterday) |
| 23:32.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | same rDNS issue applies for confirmation email sent from garage's "create new account" |
| 23:33.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell wirr about sysop-wanted |
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