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| 04:15.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | FYI: first step of tmo migration accomplished, new server up and operational on its IP which is not yet linked to talk.maemo.org URL |
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| 05:02.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa: GeneralAntilles: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588#post1314588 |
| 05:03.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | (MWKN) |
| 05:06.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ^^^ sticky? |
| 05:26.41 | Jaded | hi |
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| 05:38.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi |
| 05:41.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | (tmo) if some of you want to test stuff like register, login, search, etc: 188.117.59.209 - tests appreciated. Please DO NOT use this server for posting any useful stuff yet, we will nuke the whole database again on Wednesday! |
| 05:44.55 | Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer05, It looks fully functional from where I am (east coast USA). |
| 05:45.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'm missing "tnaks" button on reggie's test post |
| 05:45.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | "thanks" even |
| 05:46.11 | Ken-Young | I get "Thanks" buttons. |
| 05:46.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | even on /showthread.php?p=1314431 ? |
| 05:47.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | (btw I don't get thanks buttons ever on maemo theme, not even on "old2 tmo) |
| 05:48.26 | Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer05, How specifically can I call up that post? |
| 05:48.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's on front bage under "general" |
| 05:49.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | newest post |
| 05:49.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you append /showthread.php?p=1314431 to the IP |
| 05:49.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | err "off topic" not "general" |
| 05:50.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Last post: Test post from new server by joerg_rw @ Today 05:11<< |
| 05:51.13 | Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer05, I get a "Thanks!" button on Regie's post on email integration, if that's the one you mean. |
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| 06:09.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess "off topic" is not worthy :-P |
| 06:09.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | so no thanks button |
| 06:11.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a sidenote: the cookis from that server *might* eventually conflict with those from old one |
| 06:11.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Ken-Young: thanks for help :-) |
| 06:12.23 | Ken-Young | It was the only useful thing I did all weekend. |
| 06:13.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh yeah, at your TZ it's still weekend :-D |
| 06:13.11 | Ken-Young | Just barely. |
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| 06:13.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | here it's scary early monday morning |
| 06:14.12 | Ken-Young | Actually, it's 1:13 AM Monday here too, so I guess my weekend was a complete waste. |
| 06:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | bwahahaha we both got redirected to talk.maemo.org :-P |
| 06:15.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | or not |
| 06:15.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF?! |
| 06:16.00 | Ken-Young | Rats! That's embarrassing. |
| 06:16.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 06:16.58 | Ken-Young | It looks like only the new thread went there. My reply messages, posted earlier, seem to have gone to the new server. |
| 06:17.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess we'd need the good ole etc/hosts hack |
| 06:17.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I'll try to delete my post |
| 06:17.37 | Ken-Young | Nope, I'm wrong about that. |
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| 06:19.00 | Ken-Young | Can I delete the thread? |
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| 06:20.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you can delete the thread as well, implicitly with deleting first post when it's the only one |
| 06:21.13 | Ken-Young | How does one delete a post - I don't see a button for that. |
| 06:21.31 | Ken-Young | SOrr, I see it now under edit. |
| 06:21.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, is it me or is that server slow like geotectonics |
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| 06:25.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems like some stuff takes ~60s to load |
| 06:25.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Ken-Young: here you are: http://188.117.59.209/showthread.php?p=1314432#post1314432 |
| 06:26.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, that wasn't smart |
| 06:26.38 | Ken-Young | I get a "Quote & Reply" button, but no others. |
| 06:27.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 06:27.45 | Ken-Young | Oh - THat was just because I wasn't logged in. |
| 06:28.04 | Ken-Young | Logged in, I get all three of the normal buttons on your new post. |
| 06:28.10 | unifly | hi |
| 06:28.25 | Ken-Young | I was able to thank that post. |
| 06:29.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 06:30.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for thanks ;-) |
| 06:30.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi unifly |
| 06:30.56 | unifly | hi DocScrutinizer05 |
| 06:32.04 | unifly | one ask, which package is missing if I have an error like this: "arm-linux-gcc: not found" ? |
| 06:32.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
| 06:32.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably more than you can install on your N900 |
| 06:32.54 | unifly | i want compile a module for kernel |
| 06:33.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | on device? |
| 06:33.07 | unifly | yes |
| 06:33.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's not exactly recommended |
| 06:33.21 | unifly | in scratchbox found |
| 06:33.37 | unifly | i make te module and found |
| 06:33.42 | unifly | the |
| 06:34.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should build in scratchbox, on your PC |
| 06:34.27 | unifly | but when i install this on device the module not found very well and i want to compile in device |
| 06:35.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? |
| 06:35.43 | unifly | i want to compile module in device |
| 06:35.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's not exactly recommended |
| 06:36.11 | unifly | can i port the module from scratchbot to device? |
| 06:36.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll need complete toolchain and kernel sources |
| 06:36.28 | unifly | yes understand |
| 06:36.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, that's what scratchbox is meade for |
| 06:36.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | made* |
| 06:37.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | you switch target to "armel" and compile your module, then move it to device |
| 06:37.17 | unifly | yes |
| 06:37.26 | unifly | i move the folder in device |
| 06:37.32 | unifly | and do make install? |
| 06:37.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's still tricky to get right the modversion / vermagic or what its called |
| 06:38.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | you probably will have to copy the mu |
| 06:38.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | module.ko file to the modules/ dir, then run depmod -a |
| 06:39.00 | unifly | yes |
| 06:39.04 | unifly | it's found |
| 06:39.17 | unifly | but have an error in dmesg |
| 06:39.30 | unifly | when i plug the usb |
| 06:39.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's probably since your kernel version isn't in line with the one in module |
| 06:40.12 | unifly | a867: unknown symbol dvb_usb_device_init |
| 06:40.25 | unifly | in scratchbox there isn't |
| 06:40.35 | unifly | aaa |
| 06:40.36 | unifly | ok |
| 06:40.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need the kernel sources of the kernel you're running, and you need to have correct vermagic |
| 06:40.49 | unifly | i see this |
| 06:41.11 | unifly | thanks a lot |
| 06:41.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 06:41.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you need better help (i'm a bit dusty with that stuff) ask pali or freemangordon in here |
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| 06:42.15 | unifly | it's very usefull for me |
| 06:42.28 | unifly | now i see the problem |
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| 07:15.05 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: are you sure you're going to nuke the temporary tmo? |
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| 07:38.59 | mlwane | Hello folks |
| 07:46.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: yes |
| 07:47.09 | kerio | phew |
| 07:47.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? Are you pondering to use it as tempdir? |
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| 07:47.53 | kerio | no, it's just that it would be difficult to justify my latest post |
| 07:48.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 07:48.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | delete it, fool |
| 07:48.15 | kerio | why? |
| 07:48.31 | kerio | it's a really good thread imo |
| 07:48.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw beware, I got redirected to "real" tmo without even noticing |
| 07:48.56 | kerio | :D |
| 07:48.57 | kerio | i checked, there were 0 people viewing |
| 07:49.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | so better doublecheck where you're posting |
| 07:49.18 | kerio | so either i was on the replacement, or the tmo community has become *really* small |
| 07:52.05 | fastlane` | what r you guys doing to tmo :| |
| 07:52.24 | kerio | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314434 |
| 07:52.29 | kerio | best thread evah |
| 07:52.40 | kerio | (put the new ip in your /etc/hosts) |
| 07:54.02 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'd love a "no, thanks" button |
| 07:54.10 | fastlane` | hehe |
| 07:54.13 | fastlane` | gud idea! |
| 07:54.15 | kerio | for crappatch and the like |
| 07:57.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* oh yeah, but that's trollfood sweet like candy |
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| 07:59.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought about more sophisticated stuff, like a "bank account" that has post-points you need to spend for posting stuff. Posts are becoming more expensive the more users complain about it or put it on ignore, and you gain points for posts that got thanked, or for time-of-membership |
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| 08:01.56 | kerio | let's just make up a cryptographically-secure currency called postcoin |
| 08:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, what's wrong with a paypal-alike account? |
| 08:03.37 | kerio | not decentralized enough! |
| 08:03.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | except for nobody wanting to transfer postcoins to another user/account |
| 08:04.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I actually pondered to make tmo accounts cost 5 bucks per month |
| 08:05.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that would probably cause a shitstorm that kills the planet |
| 08:05.27 | kerio | wouldn't get an account |
| 08:05.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, me neither |
| 08:05.48 | kerio | it's not that i'm opposed to paying for stuff like that |
| 08:06.12 | kerio | it's just that i don't think tmo is worth 5 bucks for a lifetime subscription, let alone a month |
| 08:06.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 08:06.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | not for non-trolls |
| 08:06.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 08:06.42 | kerio | i'd pay the shit out of irc |
| 08:06.47 | kerio | hypothetically, of course |
| 08:07.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | lemme put it this way: if I'd *earn* a dime for each "thanks" I'd maybe even post more often ;-) |
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| 08:08.01 | kerio | you can, with the new postcoin system! |
| 08:08.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | *yawn* |
| 08:08.31 | kerio | a satoshi for each thanks would be fine i suppose |
| 08:08.55 | kerio | a real-world value of a frac |
| 08:09.00 | kerio | *fraction of a cent |
| 08:09.16 | kerio | (a satoshi is a millionth of a btc) |
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| 09:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | if somebody feels bored, you could check `host <URL-of*.maemo.org>` from this http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD.html list and see if some are already active. |
| 09:04.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | the URLs, not the IP! |
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| 09:09.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | repository.maemo.org dafaq! |
| 09:11.04 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: test&lists.maemo.org are on old IPs still |
| 09:11.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a few more |
| 09:11.36 | thedead1440 | bugs too |
| 09:11.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | but several are already updated |
| 09:11.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | wiki e.g. |
| 09:11.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo.org |
| 09:12.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | drop.maemo,org |
| 09:12.40 | thedead1440 | garage, repo |
| 09:13.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | repo not |
| 09:13.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | repo is with akamain still |
| 09:13.35 | wirr | repository.maemo.org is on akamai? |
| 09:14.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | repository.maemo.org. 18 IN CNAME repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net |
| 09:14.13 | thedead1440 | i meant garage, repo to the list that are not updated yet :D |
| 09:14.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. 21600 IN CNAME a515.g.akamai.net |
| 09:15.16 | wirr | yep, that's what i get too... garage is on 80.248.164.238 (Logica Finland) |
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| 09:16.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | so |
| 09:16.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] wiki.maemo.org is back to normal operation for everybody |
| 09:16.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 09:16.59 | infobot | cp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts-maemobackup && echo "188.117.59.202 wiki.maemo.org" >> /etc/hosts; http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 09:17.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 09:17.18 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 09:18.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 09:21.24 | wirr | DocScrutinizer05, but with wiki relying on garage accounts still no possibility to create new accounts? |
| 09:22.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's obscure to me |
| 09:22.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never wrapped my head around that SSO and how much of it got implemented |
| 09:22.37 | wirr | hmm... i think garage cannot send confirmation emails cause of reverse lookups |
| 09:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | might as well be local signon that's just as borked as it ever was (well since months) |
| 09:23.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, I think so |
| 09:23.14 | wirr | any link for local acct registration? |
| 09:23.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a register button upper right, no? |
| 09:24.05 | wirr | nah |
| 09:24.29 | vi____ | Is the wiki back? |
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| 09:26.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | wirr: indeed, nah |
| 09:26.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: yep |
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| 09:30.08 | vi____ | Some bastards stole my motorcycle. |
| 09:30.24 | vi____ | I was gutted. |
| 09:30.36 | vi____ | Then the police found it and I was happy. |
| 09:30.49 | vi____ | Then it turns out I had to pay a 'recovery' fee. |
| 09:31.06 | vi____ | A recovery fee of £170 |
| 09:31.35 | vi____ | Yes, my motorcycle was stolen, then I had to pay the police £170 to get it back. |
| 09:31.40 | Hurrian | police charging a recovery fee? |
| 09:31.49 | Hurrian | that sounds… unscrupulous. |
| 09:32.01 | vi____ | Yes, I was wondering who stole my bike. |
| 09:32.11 | vi____ | Follow the money as they say. |
| 09:32.33 | vi____ | I still can barely believe it. |
| 09:32.54 | vi____ | It is the same fee they charge people who illegally park and have their cars towed. |
| 09:33.20 | vi____ | F* the uk. |
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| 09:43.38 | vi____ | Can someone explain this? |
| 09:43.39 | vi____ | *VOut = calibrated_output_voltage; |
| 09:43.53 | vi____ | why is there a * before the variable name? |
| 09:46.30 | jaska | VOut is a pointer, the * dereferences the pointer |
| 09:46.45 | jaska | so it writes calibrated_output_voltage to the memory location pointed by VOut |
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| 09:50.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | (<vi____> Yes, I was wondering who stole my bike.) LOL! |
| 09:51.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: OTOH when they tow away your car from a no-parking zone, you'd declare it as stolen... |
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| 09:54.48 | vi____ | Well that is up for discussion. |
| 09:55.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: I guess once they catch the thief, you can try to get those 170 bucks back from him |
| 09:55.14 | vi____ | However someone who reports their vehicle as stolen BEFORE it is recovered. |
| 09:55.34 | vi____ | They will never catch him, they did not even take a statement. |
| 09:55.44 | vi____ | They do not give a shit. |
| 09:56.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | now THATS nasty |
| 09:56.01 | vi____ | And they wonder why everyone hates them? |
| 09:56.43 | XATRIX | Hi guys, i'm curious about wifi BleedingEdge drivers , while i pess activate, it tells me 'can't load kernel module' |
| 09:57.03 | vi____ | XATRIX: garbage in==garbage out. |
| 09:57.11 | XATRIX | Uf ? |
| 09:57.23 | XATRIX | As long as i know, it has some extra features against default one |
| 09:57.43 | vi____ | You have barely asked 0.3 of a question. |
| 09:57.56 | vi____ | 'press load'? |
| 09:58.03 | vi____ | It is a kernel module. |
| 09:58.42 | vi____ | Assuming you are not modprob'ing them, what are you actually asking about? |
| 09:59.33 | wirr | has anyone had success running 3d-accelerated X ontop of debian armhf omap kernel? |
| 10:00.05 | vi____ | Not possible, the '3d' drivers are closed and ONLY work with the stock kernel version. |
| 10:00.32 | vi____ | ...and the nemo/mer kernel. |
| 10:01.17 | wirr | vi____, odd... mer kernel is 2.6.30-something i thought. did they get the source under nda? |
| 10:02.37 | XATRIX | vi____: actually i have wifi-applet on my sliding panel |
| 10:02.53 | wirr | vi____: can I run Debian armhf ontop of the stock kernel? probably it's armel, no? |
| 10:02.55 | XATRIX | And there's wifi switcher, with enable/disable button, + bleedinedge |
| 10:03.22 | XATRIX | http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=2275&faq=37 |
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| 10:12.02 | Hurrian | wirr: Mer/Nemo kernel is 2.6.37, developed originally by Nokia with the help of the community for MeeGo CE |
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| 10:15.16 | Ex-Opesa | Hi. respoitory.maemo.org is down. When will it be up again? |
| 10:17.07 | inz | works for me |
| 10:17.28 | wirr | Ex-Opesa, try 188.117.59.203 for repository.maemo.org |
| 10:18.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: you need the matching driver kernel module for your kernel. I.E. you probably should get KP50 and http://david.gnedt.eu/wl1251/wl1251-maemo-0.2-power49+pre50.tar.gz |
| 10:18.19 | Ex-Opesa | wirr, thank you very much! |
| 10:19.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~interim-dns |
| 10:19.16 | infobot | interim-dns is, like, "http://mwkn.net/2013/01/community.html and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts" |
| 10:19.25 | wirr | Z |
| 10:19.42 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: Sorry but what is KP50 ? |
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| 11:39.05 | sourav | anyone stackoverflow.com/questions/13195083/qt-sdk-1-2-1-not-possible-to-download-anymore |
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| 11:53.22 | tadzik | "We thank you for indicating on our website that Jolla agrees to support a Sailfish on N900 project." That sounds good |
| 11:54.07 | sourav | thanks appreciated :P |
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| 11:59.54 | engblom | Except for Opera and CuteTube, there has not been any newer versions for my n900 for a long time. What way does those keeping their n900 go? Staying with old software? Upgrading to SSU? Installing alternative OS? |
| 12:01.22 | cehteh | install more software, then you see more updates :) |
| 12:01.45 | cehteh | (slightly more only) .. consider it as matured finished device :P |
| 12:01.50 | engblom | Do you have any extra repository to recommend? |
| 12:02.29 | cehteh | the normal (developer-) set extras, extras-testing, devel, tools .. whatever |
| 12:02.46 | cehteh | SSU+power kernel |
| 12:02.57 | cehteh | CSSU |
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| 12:03.08 | cehteh | works for me at least |
| 12:03.23 | cehteh | i dont expect that much new sofware will emerge in future |
| 12:04.11 | cehteh | and i dont know which alternative os'es are worthwile (feature complete, you can use phone and camera and so on) |
| 12:04.54 | engblom | A bit what I expected as an answer... |
| 12:05.18 | cehteh | and the device is somewhat memory constrained, i doubt any newer OS will make usability more fluent |
| 12:05.49 | cehteh | maemo works well for me meanwhile |
| 12:07.00 | engblom | At least opera gives a bit of browsing performance (compared with the default browser) |
| 12:07.46 | jon_y | isn't opera a trojan? :) |
| 12:08.04 | jon_y | it phones home proxy |
| 12:08.49 | jacekowski | only if you enable turbo |
| 12:09.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | try CSSU-thumb browser |
| 12:10.51 | cehteh | where is that? |
| 12:11.26 | jon_y | in cssu-thumb |
| 12:11.46 | jon_y | you'll need a custom kernel to go along with it |
| 12:12.09 | jon_y | are you a badass enough speed demon to do it? :) |
| 12:12.25 | cehteh | i dont want to reflash :) |
| 12:12.32 | thedead1440 | never realized that microb on thumb was different than stock microb :o |
| 12:12.46 | jon_y | cehteh: no reflash needed |
| 12:12.53 | jon_y | just flash the kernel |
| 12:12.53 | cehteh | i mean when it breaks :) |
| 12:13.03 | jon_y | it didn't break for me |
| 12:13.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: err how exactly? |
| 12:13.17 | thedead1440 | microb-engine 1:20100401-1.9.2-5.2+0m5+0cssu0+thumb0 |
| 12:13.22 | cehteh | normal microb works well enough for me, could be better but its ok |
| 12:13.25 | jon_y | cehteh: just flash back the stock kernel if you haven't installed cssu |
| 12:13.33 | thedead1440 | i didn't know it was compiled for thumb DocScrutinizer05 |
| 12:13.36 | cehteh | jon_y: i need the power kernel |
| 12:13.44 | jon_y | that's right |
| 12:14.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: it is, and it seems to make a difference |
| 12:14.40 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: yup just realized it; difference or not unsure as i've never used stock microb :D only thumb here since i got my n900 |
| 12:14.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 12:16.07 | jon_y | how much does the n900 sell these days? |
| 12:16.45 | thedead1440 | i got mine used; for S$200 in August last year |
| 12:16.53 | jon_y | 300 Euros? |
| 12:17.00 | jon_y | 200 USD? |
| 12:17.16 | thedead1440 | nah thats 122EUR |
| 12:17.43 | jon_y | how did you get yours? |
| 12:18.19 | thedead1440 | someone was selling it to a friend's mobile-shop so i bought it instead |
| 12:18.32 | jon_y | damn |
| 12:18.40 | thedead1440 | why? |
| 12:18.58 | jon_y | cause I wouldn't be going to where you are to buy it :) |
| 12:19.05 | jon_y | or at least can't |
| 12:19.08 | thedead1440 | haha |
| 12:19.18 | thedead1440 | very good condition too |
| 12:19.32 | jon_y | my n900 screen just died |
| 12:19.35 | thedead1440 | and to top it the seller knew how to use it so had really maintained it well |
| 12:19.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | or overclocked it |
| 12:20.14 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: do Nokia still do screen repairs? |
| 12:20.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think so |
| 12:20.40 | jon_y | cool, I will embark on this quest |
| 12:20.50 | jon_y | to an official Nokia dealer |
| 12:20.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you don't want to get warranty repair ;-) |
| 12:21.03 | jon_y | it's 3 years old |
| 12:21.29 | jon_y | I think warranty expired long ago |
| 12:22.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather "lose" my purchase recipe than to try and get a warranty repair on N900 |
| 12:22.30 | jon_y | ? |
| 12:22.45 | jon_y | what happens in a warranty repair? |
| 12:23.06 | thedead1440 | they give you a N8 or E7 instead? |
| 12:23.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 get "repaired" on warranty by replacing them with a N8 |
| 12:23.20 | jon_y | fuck what |
| 12:23.35 | thedead1440 | last i heard was a L800 being offered to a poster on TMO |
| 12:23.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 12:24.15 | jon_y | so if I paid for repairs, I get back my n900 in repaired condition? |
| 12:24.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | though, somebody in here claimed they built new mainboards to do actual repair |
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| 12:25.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: they won't give you a new phone for your old N900, when you have to pay 30 bucks for it :-D |
| 12:25.19 | jon_y | maybe I need to fly to Finland to get replacements |
| 12:25.23 | jon_y | or China |
| 12:25.46 | jon_y | yes, I want my n900, not the n8 |
| 12:26.07 | engblom | could actually sell one n900. |
| 12:26.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | screen swap though might be more expensive than a used N900 |
| 12:26.25 | jon_y | realizes he is fanatical about the n900 |
| 12:26.41 | jon_y | engblom: how much and where are you shipping from? :) |
| 12:26.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | are you sure it's LCD? |
| 12:26.56 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: not sure, probably |
| 12:27.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | more usually it's flex connector |
| 12:27.22 | jon_y | loose cable? |
| 12:27.29 | engblom | I am in Finland... It is having scandinavian keyboard, so it is probably nothing interesting for you. |
| 12:27.33 | jon_y | I think it detects presses, just not releases |
| 12:27.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | broken connector/plug |
| 12:27.48 | jon_y | so dragging about the screen is fine |
| 12:28.04 | jon_y | but not actual presses for the screen app to respond to |
| 12:28.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, that's most likely digitizer |
| 12:28.25 | jon_y | so screen needs replacing? |
| 12:28.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | digitizer != LCD |
| 12:28.40 | jon_y | engblom: is it still querty? |
| 12:28.48 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: main board broke? |
| 12:28.50 | engblom | Yes |
| 12:28.58 | jon_y | engblom: good enough :) |
| 12:29.21 | jon_y | *qwerty |
| 12:29.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: I *guess* you need a new digitizer |
| 12:29.36 | jon_y | where is the digitizer at? |
| 12:29.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | the thing you're touching |
| 12:30.05 | jon_y | you mean the resistive touch surface? |
| 12:30.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 12:30.22 | jon_y | ok, does nokia still do those? |
| 12:30.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno |
| 12:30.35 | jon_y | :( |
| 12:30.44 | jon_y | must as well replace the whole LCD board |
| 12:30.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask your nearest nokia care center |
| 12:31.00 | jon_y | yeah, soon |
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| 12:34.35 | jon_y | btw, bought a Nokia 101 in the mean time |
| 12:34.46 | jon_y | Dual sim cards! |
| 12:34.58 | jon_y | that's just about the only defining feature it has |
| 12:35.18 | freemangordon | bought one for his 7-year old daughter :D |
| 12:35.29 | jon_y | ~25 Euros |
| 12:35.37 | freemangordon | yep, a real old nokia |
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| 12:36.00 | freemangordon | strong as steel, at least look like |
| 12:36.22 | jon_y | I was hoping it was made of the same 2xxx/3xxx material |
| 12:36.48 | jon_y | it is tiny, very fitting for a 7-year old kid |
| 12:37.05 | Mekkis | is maemo.org down? |
| 12:37.19 | jacekowski | downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org |
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| 12:53.46 | *** topic/#maemo by teotwaki -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet | Yes, maemo.org is down. |
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| 13:16.21 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: any idea on how to execute a property found via lshal? For example, if i want the power button to be pressed via terminal? |
| 13:18.38 | Hurrian | thedead1440, you're supposed to use D-Bus signals |
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| 13:19.18 | thedead1440 | Hurrian: how do i monitor them via dbus-monitor --system? |
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| 13:20.03 | Hurrian | thedead1440, you're supposed to watch for certain DBus events |
| 13:20.21 | Hurrian | see how shortcutd does it, I'll be leaving in a bit |
| 13:20.34 | thedead1440 | Hurrian: ok thanks :) |
| 13:20.46 | Hurrian | IIRC it's all asynchronous, so don't worry too much about battery life taking a hit |
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| 13:21.49 | thedead1440 | Hurrian: for example i found the interface and path, using it in qdbus says service does not exist |
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| 13:46.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: dbus-monitor is your friend, either way |
| 13:47.00 | thedead1440 | thanks DocScrutinizer05 i've found the path and string using dbus-monitor |
| 13:47.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | for pushbuttons/switches it's a tiny bit ... awkward, since opendesktop guys thought it's enough to tell "it changed" |
| 13:48.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | so for my playswoosh scriptie to play "swooooosh" on sliding out kbd, I have to check sysfs node to tell apart opening from closing the kbd |
| 13:48.36 | thedead1440 | :S |
| 13:49.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's a design bug, but it's specified that way |
| 13:49.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | from dbus signal you can't tell whether kbd slides open or closes |
| 13:50.42 | thedead1440 | ah |
| 13:52.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=897443&postcount=14 |
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| 13:53.32 | thedead1440 | nice ;) |
| 13:58.12 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer05: http://maemo.org/community/council/rss.xml and http://maemo.org/community/board/rss.xml are timing out. |
| 13:58.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo.org is timing out :-/ |
| 13:58.46 | Jaffa | Ah, that'd do it. |
| 13:59.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | /tooic |
| 13:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | topic even |
| 13:59.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 14:00.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc, thought it worked this night |
| 14:00.17 | brkn | DocScrutinizer05: ppl complaining on tmo as well http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314703 |
| 14:01.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | the DNs changes seem to cause some trouble |
| 14:01.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather, for repo the DNs been NOT changed when I checked last, a few hours ago |
| 14:02.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-14 10:14:03] <DocScrutinizer05> repository.maemo.org. 18 IN CNAME repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net |
| 14:02.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-14 10:14:28] <DocScrutinizer05> repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. 21600 IN CNAME a515.g.akamai.net |
| 14:03.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'd not be surprised when Nokia or akamai takes down the 'old' servers same day they started to change DNs to new ones |
| 14:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | DNS* grrr |
| 14:04.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-14 10:03:33] <DocScrutinizer05> if somebody feels bored, you could check `host <URL-of*.maemo.org>` from this http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD.html list and see if some are already active. |
| 14:04.53 | brkn | DocScrutinizer05: just ping me if you want interim repos to be opened |
| 14:05.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm waiting til at least tomorrow |
| 14:05.40 | brkn | meanwhile ppl keep complaining and whining xD |
| 14:05.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | my sysop friends tell me DNS needs up to 24h to even propagate up and down the nameserver chain |
| 14:06.05 | brkn | max yes |
| 14:06.16 | brkn | generally a few hours top is sufficient |
| 14:06.22 | thedead1440 | actually that is not always true; the 24-48h rule is quite old these days |
| 14:06.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | brkn: so how would they stop doing that when we opened arbitrary repos on some arbitrary location? |
| 14:06.56 | brkn | DocScrutinizer05: in general ppl don't complain if you offer them a backup solution, like the time harmattan dev was down |
| 14:07.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 14:07.13 | brkn | well those that urgently need packages will create a temo sources.list, the others won't |
| 14:07.18 | brkn | temo/temp |
| 14:07.35 | brkn | well until now not a single f##k was given xD |
| 14:07.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and where would we propagate such solution? |
| 14:08.07 | brkn | irc topic, tmo post |
| 14:08.19 | brkn | then again i don#t care if ppl can#t access repos |
| 14:08.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think we should ping Eero |
| 14:08.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | when he |
| 14:08.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | 's back in a few hours |
| 14:09.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | complex solutions for temporary problems tend to maximize user confusion |
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| 14:09.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | they usually start implementing the fix when it already is obsolete |
| 14:09.52 | brkn | ^^^ ack |
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| 14:13.32 | thedead1440 | soooo wishes the Council doesn't intervene to allow the Board to explain the situation on TMO wrt repos going down |
| 14:13.46 | ShadowJK | is repo supposed to be 118.117.59.203 |
| 14:14.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | host -a maemo.org |
| 14:14.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | DNS record fekked |
| 14:14.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | missin A record |
| 14:15.04 | ShadowJK | works here |
| 14:15.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~interim-dns |
| 14:15.05 | infobot | interim-dns is, like, "http://mwkn.net/2013/01/community.html and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts" |
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| 14:15.27 | ShadowJK | maemo.org rtesolves to *.200 for me |
| 14:15.31 | ShadowJK | repo to .203 |
| 14:16.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo.org query: |
| 14:16.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;; ANSWER SECTION: |
| 14:16.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo.org. 25201 IN SOA ns.nokia.com. hostmaster.nokia.com. 2010082098 7200 3600 1209600 3600 |
| 14:16.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo.org. 25201 IN NS ns5.nokia.com. |
| 14:16.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | no A record |
| 14:16.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | repo is "fine" |
| 14:17.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;; ANSWER SECTION: |
| 14:17.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | repository.maemo.org. 300 IN A 188.117.59.203 |
| 14:17.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then, maybe repo vserver is not "fine" |
| 14:18.54 | ShadowJK | 8.8.8.8 gives me address .200, ns, ns2.nokia don't reply, ns3 gives me .200 for maemo.org |
| 14:19.38 | ShadowJK | connection to .203 seems to timeout |
| 14:20.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nemein/Eero is aware "there's sth weird going on" - somebody's "looking at it" |
| 14:21.03 | ShadowJK | tcptraceroute to maemo.org seems to roughly pass ficix into nebula's edge, and then goes nowhere |
| 14:21.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 14:22.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | 10. ae-8-8.car1.Helsinki1.Level3.net 28.1% 33 226.7 121.5 94.2 272.8 52.5 |
| 14:22.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | % packet loss |
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| 14:23.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | on route to maemo.org |
| 14:24.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Resolver error: No error returned but no answers given. of fields |
| 14:24.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | for repo |
| 14:25.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | Resolver: Received error response 2. (server failure) <- for maemo.org |
| 14:25.35 | ShadowJK | comparing the result of tcptraceroute to nebula.fi, it looks like the machine is down :P |
| 14:26.19 | ShadowJK | whether that's just the vm or the physical host is another question |
| 14:29.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's getting weirder by the minute: talk.maemo.org. 29746 IN CNAME forums.internettablettalk.com. |
| 14:30.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF is Nokia doing? |
| 14:30.27 | brkn | this is elop's revenge |
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| 14:31.43 | ShadowJK | resolving to cname reggiesuplido.org for me |
| 14:32.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | OMG |
| 14:33.16 | ShadowJK | but ns.nokia.com is returning cname forums.itt,etc |
| 14:33.53 | brkn | kick the nameservers in the nuts |
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| 14:35.38 | ShadowJK | who is wmfi.net... they're marked as handling maemo.org's mail :) |
| 14:37.20 | ShadowJK | I'll quote your 'there's something weird going on" on tmo :) |
| 14:42.12 | jacekowski | FYI my repository mirror is still working fine |
| 14:43.48 | jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaLG22AhIXw&NR=1&feature=endscreen |
| 14:43.56 | jacekowski | ehh |
| 14:44.05 | jacekowski | sorry |
| 14:44.07 | jacekowski | misclick |
| 14:44.19 | ShadowJK | hopefully this gets fixed before we get massive repo fragmenttion |
| 14:44.32 | ShadowJK | remembers chinook and earlier days in horror |
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| 14:58.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | so seems right now about all is down, right? |
| 14:58.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | except tmo |
| 14:58.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | old one |
| 14:58.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | new one got a weird blocking notice now |
| 14:59.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | twiddles thumbs |
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| 15:00.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually watching the DNS records fluctuationg and showing random weird nonsense is kinda fun of a special kind |
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| 15:00.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just wonder which weirdo touched talk.maemo.org, since that been requested for Wednesday 10:00UTC explicitly |
| 15:01.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope it's not HiFo who got the admin-c now and doing experiments on how DNs works |
| 15:02.02 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 15:03.14 | ShadowJK | ponders setting up a dnswatch script on his server |
| 15:03.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | great idea |
| 15:04.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | please with log to a html page :-) |
| 15:08.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | something like # for h in talk repository wiki bla blub; do host -a ${h}.maemo.org; done >temp; cmp temp oldtmp || (cp temp oldtmp; cat temp >> the-gory-story.html) |
| 15:08.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 15:09.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | # for h in talk repository wiki bla blub; do host -a ${h}.maemo.org; done >temp; cmp temp oldtmp || (cp temp oldtmp; (date; cat temp) >> the-gory-story.html) |
| 15:14.24 | Ex-Opesa | Whole maemo.org seems to be down. Any update? |
| 15:14.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | everything updates ;-D |
| 15:15.14 | MrPingu | Pali: http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/468046S18.jpg |
| 15:15.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | the move of e.g wiki.m.o went waaaay too smooth |
| 15:16.48 | Ex-Opesa | Okay. I hope it will be fine soon. |
| 15:17.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | MrPingu: LOL |
| 15:18.12 | MrPingu | funny, isn't it :P |
| 15:18.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 15:19.06 | Pali | MrPingu, what it is? |
| 15:19.57 | MrPingu | that guy from TMO who had that proto N9-00 |
| 15:20.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | with some funny lines on his xterm |
| 15:20.36 | jon_y | N9-00? |
| 15:20.50 | Pali | MrPingu, we need password for that repo |
| 15:20.54 | jon_y | N9/N900 cross breed? |
| 15:21.46 | vi____ | You know you have been vimming too long when you are inserting random ':wq' into everything. |
| 15:21.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | WOW, maemo.org got a A record again ;-P |
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| 15:22.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | hardly can stand the suspense |
| 15:22.29 | vi____ | how did such a noob get such a rare device? |
| 15:22.36 | MrPingu | Pali: unfortunately it's secured, yes :( |
| 15:22.42 | brkn | DocScrutinizer05: get yourself a coffee, that should calm you down |
| 15:23.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | brilliant idea, I earn it |
| 15:23.04 | MrPingu | vi____: Idk, check that thread he can't even handle simple cd command -.- |
| 15:23.45 | xes | ...maemo.org repo....is already unreachable? |
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| 15:24.53 | vi____ | so all we have to do is hack that test repo... |
| 15:24.57 | vi____ | for fat lewt? |
| 15:25.48 | MrPingu | nono, for "us". He's too stupid |
| 15:26.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | [GENERAL NOTICE] right now *.maemo.org is down (except talk.maemo.org) |
| 15:26.18 | xes | ok... |
| 15:26.19 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; http://enivax.net/jk/n900/dns/ updating every hour hopefully |
| 15:26.20 | MrPingu | Only collecting n950 and such to brag |
| 15:26.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: you da man, though you should change that chronjob to 5 min ;-) |
| 15:27.30 | ShadowJK | didn't want to immedtaely make a screen full of files :) |
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| 15:28.02 | ShadowJK | "one liner" sh written with n900, running in screen session on my server |
| 15:31.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm absolutely worried why wiki is down |
| 15:31.38 | ShadowJK | is any new host up? |
| 15:31.39 | brkn | DocScrutinizer05: don't be |
| 15:31.53 | Ex-Opesa | Why shouldn't we be worried brkn? ^ |
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| 15:32.23 | jon_y | maemo.org. 300 IN A 188.117.59.200 |
| 15:32.26 | jon_y | is that right? |
| 15:32.45 | brkn | Ex-Opesa: because afaik wiki has been saved as well so in worst case import that xml and images to a new mediawiki and you're done |
| 15:32.58 | brkn | nothing lost |
| 15:33.04 | Ex-Opesa | brkn: Yeah |
| 15:35.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | brkn: I'm not worried about wiki data, i'm worried *why* wiki is down. It's meant to be our infra running stable for next 4 weeks or so |
| 15:36.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it already worked like a charm just a few hours ago |
| 15:36.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the DNs didn't change, it's the server that's down |
| 15:36.58 | brkn | well then i thought you had access |
| 15:36.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | DNS***grrrrrrrSSSSSSSnots |
| 15:37.02 | brkn | check the vms |
| 15:37.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't have access to anything but tmo VM yet |
| 15:38.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and tmo runs from a weird CNAME now |
| 15:38.41 | brkn | maybe they are doing some hardening on their vms or such |
| 15:38.48 | brkn | or they have internal routing issues |
| 15:39.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | while new vserver is showing a friggin >> We are currently migrating the forum to THIS new server. We will be back soon...<< |
| 15:39.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | brkn: that's why you are sysop and i'm not ;-) |
| 15:40.07 | brkn | oh well i am not. you were given access xDD |
| 15:40.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | hardening sounds pretty possible |
| 15:40.23 | brkn | ya maybe my scans were detected |
| 15:40.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 15:40.32 | brkn | although that was yesterday or before |
| 15:40.47 | brkn | well i had to check the new hosts whether they were up |
| 15:40.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and what did your scans show, do they actually need hardening? |
| 15:41.11 | brkn | well not much services running |
| 15:41.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | many, but yeah |
| 15:41.27 | brkn | they could hide some versions strings to make if more difficult to fingerprint though |
| 15:41.42 | brkn | + i did not feel like checking their ssh access |
| 15:41.49 | brkn | without telling them |
| 15:41.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 15:42.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | you mean brute force check |
| 15:42.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, port doesn't please me |
| 15:43.13 | ShadowJK | The "omg scans!! offline everything and harden the ethernet cables in liquid nitrogen!!" mentality is exactly why I rent a dedi instead of vps for my own little needs... |
| 15:43.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | *couhg*22*cough* |
| 15:43.29 | brkn | lol @ ShadowJK |
| 15:44.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, the logs about the same old boring ssh "admin" / "mysql" / "ibm" whatnot users gets simply boring and spams my syslogs |
| 15:44.41 | ShadowJK | or when you know when the sysop is awake, because he's "optimising" the performance by rebooting every 15 minutes |
| 15:44.46 | kerio | :D |
| 15:44.55 | brkn | well once they are up again if they (nemein) agree we can recheck |
| 15:45.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | brkn: I'll announce it |
| 15:45.33 | jon_y | bruteforce ssh? |
| 15:45.33 | brkn | announce what? |
| 15:45.37 | ShadowJK | wonders if apache just fell over from the fat of maemo infra :) |
| 15:45.41 | brkn | re-availability? |
| 15:45.49 | jon_y | use fail2ban? |
| 15:46.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | but right now Eero is "swamped" and they need to sort that weirdo shite first |
| 15:46.27 | brkn | jon_y: well let's hope then nobody spoofs ips because then a lot of ppl will get blacklisted |
| 15:46.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | brkn: (announce) pentests to Nemein |
| 15:46.48 | jon_y | brkn: ssh is on tcp |
| 15:46.52 | brkn | like using official isps proxies and get banned |
| 15:47.04 | brkn | ack jon_y |
| 15:47.04 | jon_y | kind of hard to di that unless you machine is already compromised |
| 15:47.07 | ShadowJK | it's more or less impossible to establish a tcp connection with spoofed IPs these days |
| 15:47.28 | brkn | + check their fail2ban config for logfile injection |
| 15:47.37 | ShadowJK | iirc last mainstream OS vulnerable was Windows 98 :) |
| 15:47.40 | brkn | well funny stuff but i guess they know what they are doing |
| 15:47.53 | jon_y | you have more serious problems if you have log file injection going on |
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| 15:49.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: vulnerable for what? |
| 15:49.29 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; ip spoofing on tcp |
| 15:49.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 15:50.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>last mainstream OS vulnerable was Windows 98<< just didn't sound right ;-P |
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| 15:50.32 | jon_y | besides, you can impose a 1 minute ban for 5 bad logins, very much stops bruteforce |
| 15:50.33 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 15:51.11 | jon_y | or 5 minutes for 3 bad logins |
| 15:51.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: that stops *successful* brute force |
| 15:51.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't stop flooding your logs though |
| 15:51.41 | ShadowJK | It's not like bruteforce is any threat unless you've got idiots on your machine |
| 15:51.53 | ShadowJK | idiots with stupid passwords |
| 15:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | or on your distro maintainer crew |
| 15:52.09 | jaska | pam_passwdqc and make them cry |
| 15:52.22 | jon_y | 1 hour ban after 20 bad consecutive retries? |
| 15:52.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: throwing dice, or what? |
| 15:52.57 | jon_y | well, just a tar pit |
| 15:53.10 | jon_y | to make bruteforce unfeasible |
| 15:53.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | move your port to $random, form 22 |
| 15:53.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | done |
| 15:53.29 | brkn | jon_y: when you said bruteforce i just remembered mysql flaw from summer |
| 15:53.33 | brkn | made me laugh |
| 15:53.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 15:53.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr wait |
| 15:53.51 | jon_y | I'm not familiar with the mysql problem |
| 15:54.00 | brkn | for i in `seq 1 1000`; do mysql -u root --password=bad -h 127.0.0.1 2>/dev/null; done |
| 15:54.01 | jaska | being batshit crazy i moved my ssh port at home and only allow pubkey from outside lan :D |
| 15:54.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I confused it with some other vulnerability |
| 15:54.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I didn't |
| 15:54.34 | brkn | if you asked many times, mysql finally gave up and gave you root access |
| 15:54.36 | jon_y | brkn: what is that? |
| 15:54.40 | jon_y | :( |
| 15:54.43 | brkn | a flaw?! |
| 15:54.49 | brkn | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Simple-authentication-bypass-for-MySQL-root-revealed-Update-1614990.html |
| 15:55.02 | kerio | ShadowJK: would ec2 count as a dedicated server? |
| 15:55.11 | kerio | that shit will *not* go down |
| 15:55.23 | ShadowJK | maybe :) |
| 15:56.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ping |
| 15:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: do you know why new tmo has this notice now? |
| 15:56.36 | brkn | kerio: you should not trust their preconfigured images either |
| 15:57.25 | brkn | google ms12-020 poc |
| 15:57.37 | brkn | well that's history as well by now |
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| 16:05.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 16:05.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/xvda 15G 4.6G 9.6G 33% / |
| 16:05.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/xvdb 15G 181M 14G 2% /mnt/disk2 |
| 16:05.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ tmo |
| 16:05.30 | Sysaxed | I was able to set minimum frequency of FM transmitter to 76 MHz by changing fmtx file with one I've found on maemo forums... now how can I get my radio receiver to work at 76 MHz? |
| 16:06.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess somebody nuked the db already? |
| 16:06.06 | brkn | DocScrutinizer05: db on another machine? |
| 16:06.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, mysql server? |
| 16:06.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible |
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| 16:06.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then... |
| 16:06.35 | brkn | i recall so telling me db was ~ 12gb |
| 16:06.51 | freemangordon | that could be with attachments |
| 16:06.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...then we should *really* think about consolidation |
| 16:07.16 | brkn | attachments are stored in db? |
| 16:07.22 | freemangordon | no |
| 16:07.25 | freemangordon | afaik |
| 16:07.33 | brkn | omg for a moment my heart jumped |
| 16:07.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik nope |
| 16:07.40 | freemangordon | so db+attach == 12G |
| 16:07.49 | freemangordon | db only ~ 4G |
| 16:07.56 | brkn | freemangordon: that could fit yes |
| 16:08.01 | freemangordon | that is from my cloudy memories |
| 16:08.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think the other way round |
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| 16:08.33 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: iirc that was burried in one email from reggie |
| 16:08.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | attachments are rare, and small/sizelimited |
| 16:08.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | pictures however |
| 16:09.03 | freemangordon | sizelimit is ~500k |
| 16:09.11 | freemangordon | iirc |
| 16:09.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think 100 |
| 16:09.47 | freemangordon | for .deb is 488k |
| 16:09.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, I don't think attachments are n*content |
| 16:10.05 | freemangordon | for tar,zip, gz too |
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| 16:10.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah yes, might even depend on filetype |
| 16:10.28 | freemangordon | for jpg is ~100k |
| 16:10.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 16:10.41 | freemangordon | the others are smaller |
| 16:10.46 | freemangordon | ~20k |
| 16:11.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, we eventually asked reggie to increase max attachment size |
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| 16:11.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
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| 16:20.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-14 17:18:07] <mashiara> I mailed the "grid guy" and told him to doublecheck a few things. |
| 16:21.24 | freemangordon | the fuck, repository.maemo.org seems down :( |
| 16:21.41 | freemangordon | hmm, false alarm |
| 16:21.48 | freemangordon | it is up but slow |
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| 16:24.59 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: you can read no? |
| 16:25.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure I can read |
| 16:25.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes |
| 16:25.45 | chem|st | ;) |
| 16:25.53 | chem|st | reggie deactivated it I guess |
| 16:25.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? |
| 16:26.05 | chem|st | wasn't me |
| 16:26.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I guess he even nuked the db |
| 16:26.39 | chem|st | not yet |
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| 16:34.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: anyway, we were able to check functionality of new tmo before reggie blocked it, so I'm quite confident the move will cause the least problems |
| 16:38.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>... the cpu loads were manageable but I fear there is some throttle on the network somewhere<< |
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| 17:11.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: repository.maemo.org is up again - slow but up |
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| 17:16.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | garage.maemo.org still no A record here, but IP is slow but working, like repo |
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| 17:36.42 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: Unable to connect to repository.maemo.org |
| 17:36.50 | kerio | unless you mean the new one |
| 17:40.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://repository.maemo.org/ etc/hosts 188.117.59.203 repository.maemo.org |
| 17:40.10 | kerio | oic |
| 17:40.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;; ANSWER SECTION: |
| 17:40.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | repository.maemo.org. 300 IN A 188.117.59.203 |
| 17:41.01 | kerio | well, i still dln't have th |
| 17:41.03 | kerio | *don't have that |
| 17:41.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess/hope that's not from my etc7hosts |
| 17:41.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Received 266 bytes from 212.34.1xx.y1#53 in 104 ms |
| 17:42.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: try `host -a repository.maemo.org` |
| 17:42.40 | kerio | you mean dig repository.maemo.org :) |
| 17:42.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever spice you like with your query |
| 17:43.09 | kerio | yep, 188.117.59.203 |
| 17:43.17 | kerio | and it doesn't work |
| 17:43.24 | kerio | not even from my laptop |
| 17:44.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, the akamai servers didn't work this morning either |
| 17:44.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 17:45.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, that's already the new IP |
| 17:45.15 | freemangordon | nice |
| 17:46.11 | freemangordon | according to nslookup:"Address: 188.117.59.203" |
| 17:46.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and here that IP works, works not, work... |
| 17:48.33 | freemangordon | reverse dns lookup cannot resolve that address, I guess it will takesome time for caches to expire/new address to be known |
| 17:48.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got unusually long timeouts once server connection got established |
| 17:48.54 | ShadowJK | reverse dns is handles by someone else |
| 17:48.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/got/configured/ |
| 17:49.21 | kerio | yeah, that's .in-addr.arpa |
| 17:49.44 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: well I guess we can expect some interruptions and such, it is expected (at least by me) |
| 17:50.08 | freemangordon | it is very hard to do a migration without some disturbance in services |
| 17:50.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: please read backscroll of the day |
| 17:50.48 | freemangordon | ok |
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| 17:51.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, that's been somewhere else where I posted that quote about rDNS |
| 17:53.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-14 10:28:26] <mashiara> quite possible but I could not request those reverses before the real DNS was updated. |
| 17:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://repository.maemo.org/ loads just this moment |
| 17:54.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually relatively "swiftly" |
| 17:55.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and slow again |
| 17:56.31 | ShadowJK | looks like the machine/vm is pretty slow to respond |
| 17:56.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-14 17:20:56] <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-01-14 17:18:07] <mashiara> I mailed the "grid guy" and told him to doublecheck a few things. |
| 17:57.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly swap hell, or network problems |
| 17:57.35 | brkn | @ ShadowJK: same for wiki |
| 17:58.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, slow but loaded again |
| 17:58.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | (repo) |
| 17:58.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | while wiki "Additional Information: wiki.maemo.org: Socket operation timed out" |
| 17:59.01 | ShadowJK | is wiki, www, repos all in separate VMs? |
| 17:59.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's different IPs |
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| 17:59.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno further details |
| 17:59.52 | Sysaxed | maemo.org is down :C |
| 17:59.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ORLY? |
| 18:00.22 | Sysaxed | ha-ha, did I miss something? : D |
| 18:00.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, the /topic |
| 18:01.00 | ShadowJK | It's getting moved. |
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| 18:08.58 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it should probably be at the beginning |
| 18:14.19 | freemangordon | hmm, looks like repository.maemo.org runs on 1 core with 512 RAM |
| 18:14.32 | freemangordon | at most :D |
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| 18:17.53 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: BTW wiki is here, slow as hell but loading |
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| 18:20.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | mtr wiki.m.o |
| 18:20.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | 10. ae-8-8.car1.Helsinki1.Level3.net 16.7% 18 103.4 112.9 95.4 184.6 29.9 |
| 18:21.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's sth severely fishy in network |
| 18:21.22 | freemangordon | yep |
| 18:21.45 | freemangordon | duplicated ips or something |
| 18:27.06 | freemangordon | hmm, traceroute from my machine and from inet stops at 195.3.66.130 |
| 18:28.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1531419/ |
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| 18:34.04 | kerio | the traceroute does indeed stop at 83.145.255.35 |
| 18:34.20 | kerio | but ofc it goes behind for at least 5 hops |
| 18:34.30 | kerio | s/behind/forward/ |
| 18:39.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | try mtr |
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| 18:56.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, seems packet loss isn't thagt uncommon today |
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| 18:59.29 | Sysaxed | would repos go up today? I have to install some stuff.. |
| 18:59.59 | freemangordon | Sysaxed: repos are up, just veeeeery slow |
| 19:00.19 | Sysaxed | oh |
| 19:00.29 | Sysaxed | that's why I was able to use them a minute ago |
| 19:00.38 | Sysaxed | freemangordon, anything that can be done with it? |
| 19:01.03 | freemangordon | NFC, though I guess "they" are trying to fix it |
| 19:02.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-14 15:20:33] <DocScrutinizer05> Nemein/Eero is aware "there's sth weird going on" - somebody's "looking at it" |
| 19:02.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-01-14 17:18:07] <mashiara> I mailed the "grid guy" and told him to doublecheck a few things. |
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| 19:03.43 | Sysaxed | mailed... which means it's going to take some time... |
| 19:04.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it will for sure take some time |
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| 19:37.17 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, what is with maemo.org ? |
| 19:43.46 | kerio | Pali: /topic |
| 19:43.53 | kerio | and yeah, that's a bad position to put it |
| 19:43.58 | kerio | it should be at the beginning |
| 19:45.01 | Pali | ETA? |
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| 19:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: it's 21:00 or even 22:00 here, nevertheless "the grid guy" might report back to Eero this night since that guy has "strange working hours". But Eero will read that mail tomorrow morning the earliest |
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| 20:18.36 | kerio | hehe, "strange working hours" |
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| 21:00.37 | Lava_Croft | Anyone have a link to the most recent build of mosh available? |
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| 21:00.42 | Lava_Croft | i have a 1.2.2 build here that craps out |
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| 21:23.06 | qwazix | DocScrutinizer05: sorry didn't find the time to try new autobuilder |
| 21:24.39 | qwazix | I'd appreciate if somebody takes this task as I fear I will fail to do it tomorrow too due to time constraints |
| 21:31.55 | grummund | hi peeps o/ |
| 21:33.52 | qwazix | \o |
| 21:34.16 | grummund | how plausible would it be to use n900 to sniff a bluetooth connection? |
| 21:37.18 | flux | grummund, I would say completely implausible.. |
| 21:38.03 | flux | that's usually the domain of specialiced bluetooth analyzers. not to say there's any magic in it (well, there might be), but you would at least need to rewrite the bluetooth chip firmware. |
| 21:38.33 | flux | in any case, I don't think the analyzers either can grab onto encrypted connections |
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| 21:43.20 | grummund | hmm, omly need encrypted |
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| 21:43.43 | grummund | *unencrypted |
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| 21:57.35 | wirr | anybody been successful running armhf debian on n900? |
| 21:58.11 | wirr | I'm successfully booting wheezy-grip (emdebian), launching x but no video output :-( |
| 21:58.28 | wirr | using nemo-kernel that is |
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| 22:01.59 | kerio | wirr: have you recompiled everything? |
| 22:02.17 | kerio | no, wait, the whole distro is hardfloat |
| 22:07.01 | wirr | kerio: afaik nemo kernel is hfp |
| 22:07.48 | wirr | I'm wondering what would be the correct xorg driver to use... ti published hardfloat sgx drivers |
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| 22:13.55 | Skry | wirr: -fbdev-sgx from mer/nemo, with their libs |
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| 22:16.33 | wirr | Skry: thanks, you wouldn't happen to have a list of the required files? :) |
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| 23:17.31 | Skry | wirr: sure, https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN9xx-common |
| 23:17.59 | Skry | I use those on Arch Linux myself |
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