| 00:23.00 | ShadowJK | freemangordon, heh, crystaldiskmark claims 157.7 iops 4k rnd write for the adata card |
| 00:42.28 | WizardNumberNext | Pali: do you have initrd for maemo for 3.8-rc3 as well? If so, can you share both kernel and initrd? |
| 00:44.25 | WizardNumberNext | is late with last question |
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| 07:43.52 | Sicelo | lol, so SGS-II can't hot-swap the sd card, yet there is an 'Unmount SD card' option in storage settings, supposedly to allow you to remove sd card safely. |
| 07:44.39 | fastlane` | i didnt know safety shud be considered with sd cards also, |
| 07:44.53 | fastlane` | i always just pull it out from n900 without giving n900 any warning |
| 07:44.56 | fastlane` | :o |
| 07:45.01 | Sicelo | it should.. even maemo does it :P |
| 07:45.09 | fastlane` | really |
| 07:45.25 | fastlane` | so what happens behind the scenes when i'm pulling the card out without executing any commands |
| 07:45.31 | Sicelo | yes.. N900 does it for you though |
| 07:46.09 | fastlane` | umm, does it do this when the back cover is removed? |
| 07:46.12 | Sicelo | it senses as soon as you take back cover off, which is why sd card can't be seen without back cover on |
| 07:46.13 | fastlane` | :| |
| 07:46.19 | fastlane` | ahh |
| 07:46.21 | fastlane` | cool |
| 07:46.34 | Sicelo | even symbian did that |
| 07:46.38 | fastlane` | hmmm |
| 07:48.00 | Sicelo | the funny thing is: why have that menu if the associated action can't be performed anyway, ll. then these people are the every ones who say Maemo looks unfinished/unpolished |
| 07:49.19 | Sicelo | meh, my typing is rubbish this morning |
| 07:49.44 | fastlane` | hmm, its ok |
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| 07:50.42 | DaReaper | Hi |
| 07:50.54 | fastlane` | well nothing in technology depresses me like this fact that maemo/meego didnt get too many devices |
| 07:50.54 | DaReaper | I'm having a strange issue with my phone |
| 07:51.04 | fastlane` | hi DaReaper |
| 07:51.06 | DaReaper | my 2G/3G network disconnects, shows a No sim symbol when i use GPRS |
| 07:51.29 | DaReaper | happens mostly when i connect my phone to my laptop via USB cable |
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| 07:51.38 | DaReaper | when i unplug the USB cable from either ends of the cable |
| 07:51.43 | DaReaper | the network goes |
| 07:51.50 | DaReaper | and reconnects after few seconds |
| 07:52.02 | DaReaper | also the network goes down when i use GPRS for more than 10 minutes |
| 07:52.25 | robbiethe1st | UM, if you're using the thing as a USB modem, why wouldn't it disconnect from the network? |
| 07:52.48 | DaReaper | the network itself goes off |
| 07:52.52 | DaReaper | 2G/3G network |
| 07:53.02 | DaReaper | shows No signal/ No SIM symbol |
| 07:53.29 | DaReaper | the operator name goes away |
| 07:53.30 | DaReaper | too |
| 07:53.43 | DaReaper | and then i have to wait for it to find the network and connect |
| 07:53.55 | DaReaper | its annoying cause since the network goes down like that, my GPRS goes down |
| 07:53.57 | DaReaper | i can't browse |
| 07:53.58 | Sicelo | you either have a sucky operator, or bad location, or you cell-mo is on its way out (known issue) |
| 07:54.10 | DaReaper | But the bars on the signal are full |
| 07:54.16 | DaReaper | both for 2.5 G and 3.5 G |
| 07:54.19 | DaReaper | or 2G , 3G |
| 07:54.46 | DaReaper | can you guys read this please http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=88643 I have my issue stated there properly |
| 07:56.39 | DaReaper | btw what's a cell-mo? |
| 07:59.13 | DaReaper | Oh and also this one more thing. When my phone's charging via laptop USB cable, and if i receive a message or call. Network goes away |
| 07:59.21 | DaReaper | the call cuts in middle |
| 08:00.25 | fastlane` | seems like a hw issue |
| 08:00.31 | DaReaper | hmm |
| 08:00.39 | DaReaper | Its weird cause my phone never fell down |
| 08:00.44 | fastlane` | try to get repaired maybe |
| 08:00.46 | DaReaper | or i never took it out of the house |
| 08:00.52 | DaReaper | Uhm what kind of hardware issue? |
| 08:00.53 | fastlane` | wow |
| 08:01.16 | fastlane` | how long have u used this device |
| 08:01.22 | DaReaper | i bought it in 2009 december |
| 08:01.23 | DaReaper | i think |
| 08:01.43 | SpeedEvil | DaReaper: is this on edge? |
| 08:01.56 | DaReaper | Both on Edge and 3G |
| 08:01.58 | DaReaper | it fails |
| 08:02.30 | DaReaper | it shows 2.5 G always, so i think its edge |
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| 08:13.09 | DaReaper | Don't know what to do |
| 08:13.21 | DaReaper | i'll probably have to pay up and get it checked |
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| 08:20.49 | grummund | o/ |
| 08:21.39 | DaReaper | wierd isn't it? |
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| 09:15.19 | grummund | added my Skype account to "VoIP and IM accounts" and availability is now showing me as Online, but how do i open a skype chat session or call? |
| 09:19.19 | grummund | ah. found the "Conversations" app for IM |
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| 09:23.20 | kerio | grummund: and you call with Phone, ofc |
| 09:23.36 | kerio | what do you think this is, android? |
| 09:24.18 | grummund | Phone only lets me dial numbers, guess i need to add a contact first |
| 09:24.37 | kerio | hm, i'm not sure how to call a username actually |
| 09:24.41 | kerio | but there should be a way |
| 09:29.10 | Corsac | kerio: in phone, when you have the numpad, you can select of you want to do a mobile call or something else |
| 09:29.19 | Corsac | (for example I have a SIP account configured) |
| 09:29.23 | Corsac | hmh, well, on N9 anyway |
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| 09:30.12 | Corsac | and there are letters on the numpad, but indeed I don't know how to enter them... |
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| 09:31.32 | kerio | with the keyboard, maybe? :) |
| 09:31.41 | grummund | yep :) |
| 09:33.48 | grummund | still haven't quite got the hang of things |
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| 09:37.43 | grummund | find myself tapping top-left multiple times until i get where i want to be |
| 09:38.28 | Corsac | kerio: not on n9 :) |
| 09:38.37 | kerio | Corsac: sucks2beu |
| 09:39.05 | Corsac | well, tbh, I don't use skype and for sip I usually call phone numbers anyway |
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| 09:41.16 | kerio | doesn't SIP use numbers, anyway? |
| 09:41.33 | grummund | sip *seems* to be working for me now, except sipgate is giving busy signal when called but i think that is a routing problem on the public network |
| 09:42.55 | grummund | and i found that using voipfone.net instead of voipfone.co.uk fixes the one-way audio problem |
| 09:45.03 | thedead1440 | when using skype the contacts are auto added to your contacts list so just choose a contact and make a Skype call or IM |
| 09:45.24 | freemangordon | thedead1440: :nod: |
| 09:46.10 | freemangordon | fremantle is contact-centric :). there is no skype, gtalk,facebook chat, whatever shitty apps there are on android |
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| 09:46.42 | thedead1440 | harmattan too :p |
| 09:46.53 | freemangordon | sure |
| 09:47.04 | freemangordon | I thought it is about n900 |
| 09:47.38 | grummund | shame it does not allow more than one skype account active at the same time |
| 09:48.43 | freemangordon | grummund: desktop skype does not allow either, at least the version I am usung |
| 09:48.57 | thedead1440 | true even on the desktop you have to sign out first |
| 09:49.17 | freemangordon | grummund: BTW install "Merge your duplicate contacts" plugin |
| 09:50.03 | freemangordon | will make your life easier to link all the different stuff |
| 09:50.19 | grummund | desktop version i have multiple instances running, but it was a hack. |
| 09:50.45 | freemangordon | grummund: we all know about it, but this is not the point |
| 09:51.10 | freemangordon | (runas ;) ) |
| 09:51.15 | thedead1440 | its about integration; you don't want to be choosing a contact then deciding which account to call out from :D |
| 09:51.39 | thedead1440 | or you need to find the contact is from which of your account and then call using that account |
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| 09:52.41 | freemangordon | thedead1440: BTW no "find contacts to merge" on HARM, ain't? |
| 09:53.10 | thedead1440 | the options has a setting for Merge Contacts freemangordon :D |
| 09:53.10 | grummund | well if i go into Phone it does *not* show my skype contacts, is that what you mean? |
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| 09:53.39 | thedead1440 | grummund: use the contacts app; you can toggle availability from the top menu too so as to filter IM contacts from rest |
| 09:54.00 | freemangordon | grummund: in phone choose "select contack" |
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| 09:54.27 | grummund | freemangordon: that's exactly what i did. |
| 09:55.06 | freemangordon | thedead1440: you go me wrong, I know you can merge by hand. on n900 there is contacts app plugin which searches through the DB and offers you merge candidates |
| 09:55.50 | freemangordon | grummund: then choose the one you want to dial-out |
| 09:56.11 | freemangordon | make sure you are online on skype |
| 09:56.22 | thedead1440 | freemangordon: same you click merge contacts and click refresh; it'll merge it for you but yeah it doesn't show you the whole list that its about to merge |
| 09:56.51 | freemangordon | thedead1440: aah, so it does it for you? nice |
| 09:57.20 | thedead1440 | freemangordon: yup :) if you added an IM account too it usually will do an auto-merge or you click Refresh for the merge to happen |
| 09:57.41 | freemangordon | good |
| 09:58.09 | thedead1440 | freemangordon: HARM is not as bad as you think :p |
| 09:58.16 | freemangordon | thedead1440: someone should port fremantle to n9/0 at last :D |
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| 09:58.36 | freemangordon | thedead1440: sure, but feels lacking |
| 09:58.39 | thedead1440 | yup it would be good to have an alternative |
| 09:58.55 | grummund | freemangordon: Phone does not list skype contacts, Contacts does. |
| 09:59.34 | thedead1440 | grummund: Phone lists Skype contacts but you can't make a Skype call unless such has been done before you can only make a SkypeOut call using the "Select contact" option |
| 09:59.37 | freemangordon | grummund: phone just list your contacts, you have to choose which one you want to tial |
| 09:59.47 | freemangordon | *dial |
| 10:00.32 | grummund | maybe i'm doing something wrong but Select Contact in the Phone app definitely does *not* list my skype contacts |
| 10:00.32 | freemangordon | also the other party have to be online too |
| 10:01.00 | grummund | except the ones i already have called. |
| 10:02.15 | freemangordon | grummund: in contacts application, click the menu and select "ABC". This is what I use and find most useful |
| 10:02.26 | kerio | status is better |
| 10:02.43 | freemangordon | status? |
| 10:03.00 | freemangordon | oops, scratch that |
| 10:03.08 | kerio | online/busy/offline |
| 10:03.14 | freemangordon | not "ABC" but "Availability" |
| 10:03.20 | freemangordon | yep |
| 10:04.10 | freemangordon | kerio: it is called "Availability" with english as device language |
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| 10:04.22 | kerio | oic |
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| 10:10.56 | grummund | can i import contacts from a SIM card to use with SIP? |
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| 10:11.44 | freemangordon | in contacts app there is "get contacts" option in the menu |
| 10:12.12 | freemangordon | "copy from sim card" is your friend |
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| 10:25.14 | Lava_Croft | Aut2 / | / \ | | / _____|| \ | | | | | | |
| 10:25.14 | Lava_Croft | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.14 | Lava_Croft | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.14 | Lava_Croft | .----) | / _____ \ | | | |__| | | |\ | | `--' | |
| 10:25.14 | Lava_Croft | |_______/ /__/ \__\ |__| \______| |__| \__| \______/ |
| 10:25.16 | Lava_Croft | [lcd@satgnu: ~]$ screen -x |
| 10:25.19 | Lava_Croft | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.21 | kerio | wat |
| 10:25.22 | Lava_Croft | 1100 < freemangordon> also the other party have to be online too |
| 10:25.24 | Lava_Croft | 1101 < grummund> except the ones i already have called. |
| 10:25.27 | Lava_Croft | 1102 < freemangordon> grummund: in contacts application, click the menu and select "ABC". This what I use and find most useful |
| 10:25.30 | Lava_Croft | 1102 / | / \ | | / _____|| \ | | | | | | |
| 10:25.32 | Lava_Croft | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.35 | Lava_Croft | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.37 | Lava_Croft | .----) | / _____ \ | | | |__| | | |\ | | `--' | |
| 10:25.40 | Lava_Croft | |_______/ /__/ \__\ |__| \______| |__| \__| \______/ |
| 10:25.43 | Lava_Croft | [lcd@satgnu: ~]$ screen -x |
| 10:25.45 | Lava_Croft | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.48 | Lava_Croft | 1100 < freemangordon> also the other party have to be online too |
| 10:25.51 | Lava_Croft | 1101 < grummund> except the ones i already have called. |
| 10:25.52 | thedead1440 | haha wtf? |
| 10:25.53 | Lava_Croft | 1102 < freemangordon> grummund: in contacts application, click the menu and select "ABC". This what I use and find most useful |
| 10:25.56 | Lava_Croft | 1102 / | / \ | | / _____|| \ | | | | | | |
| 10:25.57 | kerio | mispaste, clearly |
| 10:25.59 | Lava_Croft | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.01 | kerio | *huge* mispaste |
| 10:26.01 | Lava_Croft | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.04 | Lava_Croft | .----) | / _____ \ | | | |__| | | |\ | | `--' | |
| 10:26.05 | kerio | goddammit where are the ops |
| 10:26.06 | Lava_Croft | |_______/ /__/ \__\ |__| \______| |__| \__| \______/ |
| 10:26.09 | Lava_Croft | [lcd@satgnu: ~]$ screen -x |
| 10:26.11 | Lava_Croft | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.14 | Lava_Croft | 1100 < freemangordon> also the other party have to be online too |
| 10:26.17 | Lava_Croft | 1101 < grummund> except the ones i already have called. |
| 10:26.18 | thedead1440 | its non-stop mispaste :p |
| 10:26.19 | Lava_Croft | 1102 < freemangordon> grummund: in contacts application, click the menu and select "ABC". This |
| 10:26.22 | Lava_Croft | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.38 | kerio | Lava_Croft: u dun goof'd |
| 10:29.00 | Lava_Croft | putty fucked up somewhere |
| 10:29.04 | Lava_Croft | my apologies |
| 10:29.16 | Lava_Croft | That is some fucking horrible spam |
| 10:29.18 | grummund | Lava_Croft: which irc client? |
| 10:29.26 | Lava_Croft | irrelevant? |
| 10:29.29 | Lava_Croft | irssi over ssh |
| 10:29.34 | grummund | same here |
| 10:29.50 | freemangordon | Lava_Croft: mine asks me if I try to paste more than onle line |
| 10:29.55 | freemangordon | *one |
| 10:29.57 | grummund | configure irssi not to paste |
| 10:30.09 | kerio | we need moar ops, btw |
| 10:30.09 | Lava_Croft | or just forget about it since this happens about once a year |
| 10:30.19 | kerio | that's the kind of situation that gets instantly nullified by a kick |
| 10:30.38 | kerio | (not a punishment kick, mind you) |
| 10:30.44 | Lava_Croft | well, there's always people who feel the need to make something really big and nasty of something silly as a fucked up paste |
| 10:30.53 | grummund | paste_verify_line_count = "1"; |
| 10:31.04 | kerio | also, never forgive, never forget |
| 10:31.26 | Lava_Croft | thats not the line |
| 10:31.32 | Lava_Croft | the line, its forgiven, but not forgotten |
| 10:31.37 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 10:31.47 | kerio | maybe you forgive |
| 10:31.48 | kerio | i don't |
| 10:32.05 | Lava_Croft | You have your youthful brashness that blocks forgiveness |
| 10:32.14 | grummund | /set paste_verify_line_count 1 |
| 10:32.24 | grummund | /save |
| 10:32.31 | Lava_Croft | oh, good news for MS |
| 10:32.38 | Lava_Croft | Samsung cancels US Windows RT tablets |
| 10:32.59 | freemangordon | Lava_Croft: is that really good news for M$? |
| 10:33.08 | Lava_Croft | why do people always write m$ |
| 10:33.16 | Lava_Croft | apart from trying to be childish |
| 10:33.22 | Lava_Croft | and succeeding |
| 10:33.25 | freemangordon | that one :D |
| 10:33.30 | Lava_Croft | ;) |
| 10:33.37 | kerio | cuz m$ is teh suxx0rz |
| 10:33.42 | grummund | yeah the correct spelling is micro$oft |
| 10:33.44 | Lava_Croft | It's 'good' news for MS as in that maybe people will forget about WindowsRT very soon:) |
| 10:33.53 | kerio | Lava_Croft: never forgive, never forget |
| 10:34.03 | freemangordon | maybe this is good for the people ;) |
| 10:34.13 | Lava_Croft | if never forgive never forget is the line i should go, it's probably time to burn down espoo hq |
| 10:35.00 | freemangordon | but I doubt it is good for micro$oft yet another big (biggest?) player getting rid of something wondoze |
| 10:35.01 | Lava_Croft | Try going to a big electronics store in your town and try to spot any Windows RT devices:) |
| 10:35.14 | Lava_Croft | They have the proper Windows8, why bother with RT |
| 10:36.02 | freemangordon | who? samsung? |
| 10:36.07 | Lava_Croft | anybody |
| 10:36.15 | Lava_Croft | manufacturers, resellers |
| 10:36.19 | Lava_Croft | customers |
| 10:36.25 | freemangordon | and who makes the difference? |
| 10:36.36 | Lava_Croft | in what way |
| 10:37.19 | freemangordon | even I cannot tell WTF is winrt and win8. mind you, I am still on XP on my desktop |
| 10:37.38 | Lava_Croft | winrt is windows on arm with a bit set that prohibits installing unsigned apps |
| 10:37.43 | Lava_Croft | thats basically the only difference with windows8 |
| 10:37.43 | thedead1440 | W8RT == Win8 for kids |
| 10:37.56 | freemangordon | Lava_Croft: I was not asking ;) |
| 10:37.56 | Lava_Croft | windowsrt can do the same stuff win8 can, its a proper port |
| 10:38.10 | thedead1440 | Lava_Croft: Office for one keeps lagging on the Surface |
| 10:38.11 | freemangordon | as I don;t really care |
| 10:38.20 | Lava_Croft | what surface |
| 10:38.22 | Lava_Croft | RT or Pro |
| 10:38.28 | thedead1440 | RT |
| 10:38.33 | Lava_Croft | maybe shit office port, idk |
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| 10:38.52 | Lava_Croft | iirc windowsrt is a fully functional windows8 port, only one thing is set that makes it so you can only install MS approved apps |
| 10:39.13 | thedead1440 | yup |
| 10:40.01 | thedead1440 | that has been hacked into though: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092158 |
| 10:40.06 | Lava_Croft | aye |
| 10:40.08 | Lava_Croft | last week |
| 10:40.46 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: are you happy now :P? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314326#post1314326 |
| 10:40.59 | Lava_Croft | hahaha |
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| 11:01.26 | Skry | :) |
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| 12:01.47 | kerio | ah crap, i deleted my gprs connection with gconftool |
| 12:02.22 | kerio | now i have to install a tool with a silly name to fix that :s |
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| 12:10.13 | Sicelo | can't create a new one? |
| 12:10.19 | kerio | nope |
| 12:10.31 | kerio | not without fapn |
| 12:10.39 | kerio | LOL FUNNY NAME |
| 12:11.28 | Sicelo | hmm, weird. i deleted my gprs connections, and never had to install fapn to fix it |
| 12:11.58 | kerio | i used my provider's autoconfiguration sms actually |
| 12:11.59 | kerio | much better |
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| 13:05.48 | wirr | kerio, sorry to bother you again, but do you know who to contact if account registration on garage doesn't work? |
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| 13:45.47 | WizardNumberNext | Pali: do you have initrd for maemo for 3.8-rc3 as well? If so, can you share both kernel and initrd? |
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| 13:46.05 | Pali | I have it for rescueOS |
| 13:46.37 | WizardNumberNext | does it have backlight on? |
| 13:46.49 | WizardNumberNext | I used one without backlight on |
| 13:46.55 | WizardNumberNext | pain in ass |
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| 13:48.31 | Pali | WizardNumberNext: https://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/linux-n900/ |
| 13:48.38 | Pali | it has backlight support too |
| 13:49.04 | Pali | this is with watchdog support |
| 13:49.17 | Pali | with my watchdogs binary for kicking |
| 13:49.31 | Pali | so if rescueos freeze, HW will reboot device |
| 13:49.41 | Pali | note that there is problem with poweroff/reboot |
| 13:49.52 | Pali | without '-f' device will freeze |
| 13:50.00 | kerio | what's -f? |
| 13:50.03 | Pali | so wait until watchdog will kick |
| 13:50.06 | Pali | kerio, force |
| 13:50.08 | kerio | oic |
| 13:50.11 | Pali | do not run any script |
| 13:50.24 | Pali | tell to kernel to shutdown/reboot imediately |
| 13:50.35 | Pali | I do not know if it umount anything |
| 13:50.48 | Pali | so first umount mmc/ubifs |
| 13:50.52 | Pali | and then call it |
| 13:51.10 | Pali | so wait until watchdog will reboot device (if is enabled) |
| 13:51.25 | Pali | by default kernel drivers disabling watchdogs |
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| 14:03.16 | WizardNumberNext | Pali: that's good info - appratiate it |
| 14:04.51 | WizardNumberNext | thank you very much, might get usefull |
| 14:05.14 | WizardNumberNext | Pali: did you try charging? |
| 14:05.30 | Pali | WizardNumberNext, yes but charger autodetection not working |
| 14:05.41 | Pali | go to /sys/class/power_supply/bq241*/ |
| 14:05.55 | Pali | and do "echo host > mode" for usb charger |
| 14:06.08 | Pali | or "echo dedicated > mode" for wall charger |
| 14:06.18 | WizardNumberNext | and when I would plug wall charger? |
| 14:06.21 | WizardNumberNext | ok |
| 14:06.22 | Pali | to disable charging do "echo none > mode" |
| 14:06.36 | WizardNumberNext | as usual - very usefull |
| 14:07.00 | WizardNumberNext | seen somewhere this info, but reading twice = memorize better |
| 14:07.01 | Pali | you need to do this maunally, because isp charger detection driver still reporting no charger connected... |
| 14:07.25 | Pali | this is in kernel charging driver, you do not need any other script or userspace app |
| 14:07.42 | WizardNumberNext | oh, its up isp1707 - is it up to kernel module or simply it is not autoloaded for some reason? |
| 14:08.12 | WizardNumberNext | yeah, I can recognize path |
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| 14:10.04 | WizardNumberNext | on dying battery isp might quite big issue |
| 14:10.21 | WizardNumberNext | sometimes I plug charger just seconds before it dies |
| 14:10.43 | WizardNumberNext | I know it dies around 3.15-3.25v |
| 14:10.48 | WizardNumberNext | but it depends |
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| 14:12.44 | freemangordon | Pali: if I flash pr 1.3 on n950, will I lose my data? |
| 14:13.06 | Pali | I did not flashed 1.3, but I think yes |
| 14:13.24 | Pali | maybe you need also (re)flash mmc image (from pr1.2) |
| 14:13.40 | jon_y | Pali: are you the developer of RescueOS? |
| 14:13.44 | freemangordon | :( |
| 14:13.50 | Pali | jon_y, no |
| 14:13.57 | WizardNumberNext | I would love to get n950, do people actually sell them from tie to time?" |
| 14:14.08 | jon_y | oh ok, the info about wifi passwords need to be updated |
| 14:14.17 | jon_y | use /run/wlan.conf |
| 14:14.21 | kerio | well, there's some dude on TMO who has like *four* |
| 14:14.22 | jon_y | not /wlan.conf |
| 14:14.33 | Pali | ~rescueOS |
| 14:14.34 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ |
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| 14:14.54 | Pali | tell this to NIN101 |
| 14:15.02 | jon_y | kerio: he came to brag? :( |
| 14:15.07 | kerio | yep |
| 14:16.05 | WizardNumberNext | I got my linux kernel 3.6.11-rt25 on server - work for now (and it does have powersave for 802.11 enabled by default and I use both SMPS and GF) |
| 14:18.15 | kerio | jon_y: he's "n950" on tmo |
| 14:18.23 | kerio | he has a bunch of n9 prototypes too |
| 14:18.53 | jon_y | :( |
| 14:19.04 | jon_y | especially right after my n900 screen died |
| 14:19.38 | kerio | jon_y: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87621 <- maximum bragging |
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| 14:20.23 | jon_y | I hope he steps on a lego |
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| 14:27.40 | WizardNumberNext | is hoping same |
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| 14:28.20 | WizardNumberNext | the hell 750 gbp - I could get one and half brand new sgs3 |
| 14:28.51 | timmy | can i run mplayer on easy-debian to play a movie without any problem? |
| 14:30.26 | kerio | timmy: sure, if it's a low enough resolution and a simple enough codec |
| 14:31.27 | timmy | that bekuz the built-in version of mplayer in maemo doesn't show the rtl subtitles correctly |
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| 15:25.06 | Lava_Croft | oh, nokia issued an awesome fix for their https stealing browser |
| 15:25.19 | Lava_Croft | "This time they are tunneling HTTPS traffic over HTTP connection to their server" |
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| 15:29.39 | Corsac | Lava_Croft: that's because they got frightened by a non issue |
| 15:29.57 | Corsac | the original poster didn't have a clue about how everything works, apparently |
| 15:30.35 | ShadowJK | Sicelo; vanilla android has that option and it works. Probably samsung forgot to remove it. Though, I wonder if it would be a side effect of apps on uSD? Google said the reason they killed microsd slot was that they were fed up with OEMs making devices that have 100Megs free space for apps.. |
| 15:36.09 | Sicelo | it didn't come from installed apps. my dad didn't even have a uSD. i saw this yesterday when i gave him a 16GB card, only to be disappointed that you have to shut down the device in order to insert uSD |
| 15:38.35 | ShadowJK | wtf :) |
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| 15:47.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: "where are the ops?" is not the right way to call for chanop attention |
| 15:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: yes, happy |
| 15:48.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: only this poor new user obviously forgot to R*T*F*M |
| 15:48.58 | freemangordon | that's for sure :D |
| 15:50.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it was incredibly situational, an op should've been there to do anything |
| 15:50.48 | kerio | in the time it would've took for you to notice the nickping, see what was going on, get ops from chanserv and kick, the problem would've gone away anyway |
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| 15:54.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: usually not |
| 15:55.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | get op: |
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| 15:55.09 | kerio | D: |
| 15:55.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | kick_: |
| 15:55.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 15:55.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | naaah |
| 15:55.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | deop: |
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| 15:56.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | see what's going on: 0.5s |
| 15:59.06 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, are you using KMail? |
| 16:03.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, why? |
| 16:03.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | because akonadi? |
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| 16:13.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ^^ |
| 16:13.50 | Pali | I'm going to downgrade kdepim to akonadiless version |
| 16:14.05 | Pali | mysql database daemon eating 100MB |
| 16:14.13 | Pali | kontact eating another 150MB |
| 16:14.48 | Pali | + akonadi kabc plugin has bug in threads which casuse deadlock |
| 16:14.58 | Pali | for applications which does not use akonadi but kabc |
| 16:15.02 | Pali | (for example kopete) |
| 16:15.37 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, do you have old kmail1 or akonadi kmail2? |
| 16:16.31 | Pali | and kmail2 needs virtuoso for email searching |
| 16:16.43 | Pali | + another 50MB |
| 16:17.06 | Pali | + memory leaks in that shits... |
| 16:17.32 | tadzik | kmail2 is beyond hope |
| 16:17.32 | Pali | so for emails I need about 350 - 400 MB |
| 16:17.40 | Pali | which is stupid |
| 16:18.01 | kerio | 2013, the year of linux on desktop |
| 16:18.44 | kerio | as long as you have 32gb of ram |
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| 16:25.45 | Pali | kerio, + 128 core CPU :-) |
| 16:25.52 | Pali | one core for one shit |
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| 16:37.41 | timmy | i have installed mplayer on easy-debian, when i want to play a movie, there is no sound. how can i fix it? |
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| 16:40.23 | ShadowJK | there something wrong with mplayer on maemo? |
| 16:41.32 | Lava_Croft | time to quit the survey and start serving the hay |
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| 16:42.35 | Lava_Croft | When will it be the year of the Windows Server |
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| 16:53.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: yes, kmail2 is useless and fubar |
| 16:57.17 | timmy | ShadowJK: no, i am going to run mplayer on easydebian |
| 16:58.19 | freemangordon | timmy: the point was - why not use maemo mplayer? |
| 16:59.15 | timmy | that because mplayer on maemo can't show hebrew/RTL subtitles correctly |
| 16:59.35 | ShadowJK | hm |
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| 17:11.57 | timmy | well, vlc worked perfect ^_^ |
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| 17:57.53 | Pali | I do not belive, old kontact with all loaded modules eat only 64MB |
| 17:58.28 | Pali | nice RAM usage reduction -300MB :-) |
| 17:59.22 | SpeedEvil | remember. |
| 17:59.28 | SpeedEvil | RSS is a lie |
| 17:59.50 | SpeedEvil | http://www.selenic.com/smem/ |
| 18:00.00 | SpeedEvil | though I think recent tops can do this too |
| 18:01.02 | Pali | SpeedEvil, memory is without shared (private per process) |
| 18:02.01 | Pali | -100MB for mysql daemon, -150 for kontact, -50MB for akonadi_imap_resource, - some memory leaks |
| 18:02.37 | SpeedEvil | k |
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| 18:07.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I tried to import mail from old kmail1 to kmail2, speed was like 1 mail per second |
| 18:07.47 | Pali | I did it 2 years ago |
| 18:07.56 | tadzik | (and it's still running) |
| 18:07.59 | Pali | but I did not do migration |
| 18:07.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | the whole thing is seriously fekked up |
| 18:08.15 | Pali | I donwloaded messages from imap again |
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| 18:08.28 | Pali | I have full backup on gmail imap server |
| 18:08.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | insatble and a hog for all that's precious |
| 18:08.49 | Pali | now I'm going to create git tree for akonadi less kdepim |
| 18:09.03 | Pali | full kdepim without akonadi |
| 18:09.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | and nobody really likes it, search the internets for comments on kmail2, it's devastating |
| 18:09.38 | Pali | git repository was created: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=clones%2Fkdepim%2Fpali%2Fkdepim-noakonadi.git |
| 18:09.46 | Pali | I will push patches ASAP |
| 18:09.52 | tadzik | I once tried to search its bug list, bugs.kde.org crashed and said something about too many tickets ;) |
| 18:09.59 | Pali | it is based on 4.4 branch |
| 18:10.13 | Pali | with kaddressbook from 4.3 (which is akonadiless) |
| 18:10.42 | Pali | now downloading emails from imap again to *new* kmail :-) |
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| 18:11.00 | Pali | CPU usage: 0-1% |
| 18:11.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: much appreciated, I tried to upgrade from kmail1.9.10 to sth like 1.12.x but seems that's not available for kde right now |
| 18:11.09 | Pali | mem usage 65MB |
| 18:11.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | so my new kmail is way older than my old kmail |
| 18:11.43 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, if you have any KDE4.4+ you can compile and use my version of kdepim |
| 18:12.13 | Pali | I'm using KDE4.9.4 and that kdepim seems working |
| 18:12.32 | Pali | (I have it installed in different root, so I have both kdepim versions) |
| 18:12.47 | Pali | kio_imap4 mem usage: 4.4MB |
| 18:12.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | KDE4.7.2rel5 |
| 18:13.10 | Pali | akonadi_imap_resource mem usage: 40MB |
| 18:13.23 | Pali | 4 and 40MB it is real difference |
| 18:13.38 | Pali | mysql mem usage: 92MB |
| 18:13.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | kdepim though is KDE3.5.10rel52 |
| 18:13.47 | Pali | no mysql: 0MB usage :D |
| 18:14.18 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, I do not know if migration in kmail working |
| 18:14.26 | Pali | but importing maildir/mbox should work |
| 18:14.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dafaq don't need nor want MySQL to handle my mails, that's braindamaged concept |
| 18:14.44 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, me too :D |
| 18:14.59 | Pali | this is reason why I'm now trying this old kdepim |
| 18:15.05 | Pali | which is akonadi & mysql less |
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| 18:22.48 | Pali | kdepim changes pushed |
| 18:22.50 | Pali | http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=clones%2Fkdepim%2Fpali%2Fkdepim-noakonadi.git |
| 18:22.58 | Pali | branch noakonadi |
| 18:23.14 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, you can try to compile and install it to another root ^^^^ |
| 18:23.21 | Pali | no akonadi, no nepomuk |
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| 18:31.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: could you share cmdline for dummies please :-D |
| 18:32.05 | Pali | compilation? |
| 18:32.19 | Pali | I run dpkg-buildpackage -b |
| 18:32.33 | Pali | but it should be simple on non debian too, there is cmake |
| 18:32.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | git, (comilation), ((changed root, though I guess I don't need that)) |
| 18:33.00 | Pali | $ git clone git://anongit.kde.org/clones/kdepim/pali/kdepim-noakonadi.git |
| 18:33.08 | Pali | $ git checkout noakonadi |
| 18:33.19 | Pali | then compilation: |
| 18:33.51 | Pali | $ mkdir build && cd build && cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr .. |
| 18:33.55 | Pali | $ make |
| 18:34.00 | Pali | installation: |
| 18:34.19 | Pali | $ make install DESTDIR=/path/where/you/want/root |
| 18:34.24 | Pali | and starting: |
| 18:35.06 | Pali | $ export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/root/lib/:/path/to/root/lib/kde4 |
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| 18:35.30 | Pali | $ export KDEDIRS=/path/to/root:/usr |
| 18:35.50 | Pali | $ /path/to/root/usr/bin/kontact --nofork |
| 18:36.00 | Pali | this could work |
| 18:36.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 18:36.16 | Pali | change /usr to another path where is your KDE root |
| 18:37.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 18:37.03 | Pali | in KDEDIRS should be files in KDEDIRS/lib/ |
| 18:38.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | "receive objects: 15%..." |
| 18:41.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | 25% \o/ |
| 18:42.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels strong urge to lart the fools who brought akonadi "idea" to KDEpim |
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| 18:50.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: why do you need /path/to/root/ resp why install in a different location? I honestly don't want to keep kde4.7 pim |
| 18:50.48 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, that install/compile only parts which are in upstream with akonadi |
| 18:51.13 | Pali | and also I do not know how it going to work |
| 18:51.37 | Pali | I'm using it also with kdepim-upstream in /usr and my with in /home |
| 18:52.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@halebop:~/kdepim> git checkout noakonadi |
| 18:52.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | fatal: Not a git repository (or any parent up to mount parent ) |
| 18:52.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Stopping at filesystem boundary (GIT_DISCOVERY_ACROSS_FILESYSTEM not set). |
| 18:53.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | *cough* |
| 18:58.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 18:58.40 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: did you clone before that? |
| 18:58.54 | merlin1991 | then it probably checked out into a subdir |
| 18:59.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@halebop:~/kdepim> git clone git://anongit.kde.org/clones/kdepim/pali/kdepim-noakonadi.git |
| 18:59.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | Cloning into kdepim-noakonadi... |
| 18:59.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | remote: Counting objects: 645326, done. |
| 18:59.12 | merlin1991 | see line 2 ;) |
| 18:59.35 | merlin1991 | so cd there before issuing any other git commands |
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| 19:01.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, DSL down |
| 19:02.34 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: in case you missed it, line 2 tells you the subdir where your local git copy ended up, cd there and issue any git commands in there |
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| 19:02.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks chanlog! |
| 19:02.39 | Pali | merlin1991, ok :-) after git clone is needed cd kdepim-noakonadi |
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| 19:03.23 | Pali | merlin1991, do you know how to get only last version from specified branch? |
| 19:03.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@halebop:~/kdepim/kdepim-noakonadi> git checkout noakonadi |
| 19:03.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | Branch noakonadi set up to track remote branch noakonadi from origin. |
| 19:03.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Switched to a new branch 'noakonadi' |
| 19:03.31 | Pali | instead clonning full repostory |
| 19:03.36 | tadzik | Pali: --depth=0 or so |
| 19:03.40 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, nice :-) |
| 19:03.52 | Pali | tadzik, and how to specify branch? |
| 19:04.07 | Pali | then it clone only "master" |
| 19:04.09 | tadzik | hm, no idea |
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| 19:04.14 | tadzik | yeah |
| 19:04.20 | tadzik | maybe on git-fetch you can also give it --depth |
| 19:04.23 | Pali | there should be some magic for git fetch |
| 19:04.27 | tadzik | yep, seems so |
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| 19:04.33 | merlin1991 | Pali: you can simply init an empty repo |
| 19:04.37 | merlin1991 | and then git pull the branch you want |
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| 19:05.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's that prefix to "cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr" ? |
| 19:05.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I gather that's the future destination? |
| 19:05.45 | merlin1991 | yes |
| 19:05.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | k |
| 19:06.30 | merlin1991 | Pali: somehow like git init && git pull git pull $remoterepoaddress refs/heads/$branch |
| 19:06.38 | merlin1991 | -git pull :D |
| 19:07.05 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, no |
| 19:07.15 | Pali | it should be prefix where is KDE installed |
| 19:07.25 | Pali | *not* new prefix |
| 19:07.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, which one, I got several |
| 19:07.43 | Pali | (at least if I change prefix on ubuntu, cmake will not work and compilation failing) |
| 19:08.10 | merlin1991 | huh I was pretty sure that prefix is prefixed to all paths for the generated "make install" |
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| 19:08.14 | Pali | use prefix where is your major kde4 libs |
| 19:08.32 | Pali | merlin1991, yes, but this is only half true |
| 19:08.48 | Pali | see DESTDIR |
| 19:09.03 | Pali | make install from cmake install to DESTDIR/PREFIX |
| 19:09.20 | Pali | and cmake using prefix for fiding all system libraries like KDE... |
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| 19:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.02 | merlin1991 | Pali: ah yeah the ususal we follow the sane way, almost |
| 19:11.31 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, first is KDE4 /usr and second is KDE3 /opt/kde3 |
| 19:11.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | what is a 2major kdelib"? |
| 19:11.40 | Pali | you need to specify KDE4 prefix |
| 19:11.45 | Pali | so /usr |
| 19:11.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | k |
| 19:12.10 | Pali | because this kdepim is kde4 |
| 19:12.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | without ".." after "/usr" |
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| 19:13.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* not even cmake |
| 19:14.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | just a humble 3.5mb |
| 19:15.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | CMake Error: The source directory "/home/jr/kdepim/kdepim-noakonadi/build" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt. |
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| 19:16.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, now I get the ".." |
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| 19:17.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | -- Enterprise build is disabled. |
| 19:17.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:98 (MESSAGE): |
| 19:17.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh! |
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| 19:19.47 | merlin1991 | hm either that file is really missing or your cmakemodulespath is foobar |
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| 19:22.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, me got `locate` \o/ |
| 19:23.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | zilch |
| 19:23.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much |
| 19:24.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | since: how would that <file>.cmake exist in arbitrary paths when I installed cmake itself just 10min ago |
| 19:25.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | so that's a "screwit" I guess. I'm not going to `cmake KDE` |
| 19:26.28 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: usually -dev packages ship Find.cmake files |
| 19:26.29 | merlin1991 | cmake itself does not contain them all |
| 19:27.42 | Snafu777 | Does everyone in here pretty much vie for the CSSU? |
| 19:27.54 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, you need development files for your KDE4 |
| 19:27.58 | Snafu777 | I want a package installed, but to use it, I must also use CSSU |
| 19:28.01 | Snafu777 | Heh |
| 19:28.04 | Pali | check it with your distributions |
| 19:28.06 | Snafu777 | Pali, it's your file actually |
| 19:28.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: gonna ask zypper |
| 19:28.25 | merlin1991 | Snafu777: well what do you want to install? :D |
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| 19:35.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: searching all filelists with regexp .*indKDE4.*cmake only delivered pkg "cmake" - which I installed |
| 19:36.35 | Pali | FindKDE4Internal.cmake is part of kdelibs5-dev package on ubuntu |
| 19:36.35 | kerio | Snafu777: what do you mean? |
| 19:36.43 | Pali | I have it here: /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake |
| 19:36.49 | kerio | packages in maemo-extras shouldn't really depend on cssu without a good reason |
| 19:36.58 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, make sure you have kdelibs dev installed |
| 19:37.09 | Pali | kerio, usbmode |
| 19:37.20 | Pali | but last version in git can be installed without cssu too |
| 19:37.34 | Pali | but then automount will not work... |
| 19:38.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: there a zillion "kdedev" |
| 19:38.15 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, kdelibs |
| 19:40.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | libkdepimlibs4-devel? |
| 19:41.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no kdelibs.*dev.* |
| 19:42.10 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, please provide list of all ^kde.*-dev.*$ packages |
| 19:42.19 | Pali | and I will try to tell you |
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| 19:48.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1528870/ |
| 19:49.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | kdepim4-devel maybe? |
| 19:50.52 | Pali | no, kdepim4-devel is provided by *me* |
| 19:51.11 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, what distrubution do you have? |
| 19:51.30 | Pali | better try ask google how to compile (any) kde4 app on your distribution |
| 19:51.48 | Pali | FindKDE4Internal.cmake is needed for any kde4 app |
| 19:53.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | however not provided by any package, according to pkg filelists |
| 19:54.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | toldya it's a nightmare |
| 19:54.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | did I? |
| 19:54.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | those bastards messed up stuff so thoroughly, I dunno whether to headdesk or rather bash their heads against a wall |
| 19:56.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | akonadi devels - the men who killed linux desktop |
| 19:57.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly makes we wonder if I should downgrade to maybe CPM |
| 19:58.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | KDE4, the worst desktop ever |
| 19:59.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: xmonad4lyfe |
| 20:00.04 | kerio | (not really, openbox) |
| 20:00.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | qt4 killed kde3, kde4 killed kdepim. So I guess it's "thank you *very much* QT! >:-(" |
| 20:01.57 | kerio | gtk is just better :P |
| 20:02.22 | merlin1991 | xfce ftw |
| 20:02.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, starts with 'g', been fekked ever since |
| 20:02.32 | merlin1991 | though tbh I'd prefer awesome + a proper gtk theme |
| 20:02.54 | merlin1991 | because nothing is worse than a supernice desktop + unthemed applications |
| 20:04.17 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, ask google how to compile kde4 app for your distro |
| 20:04.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I simply don't have that week |
| 20:05.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd probably rather switch to gentoo than learn how to build kde4 on opensuse |
| 20:08.34 | Sicelo | wonders if Luke-Jr is still doing work on N900+Gentoo |
| 20:08.46 | Luke-Jr | Sicelo: not actively much |
| 20:08.52 | Luke-Jr | just too busy with other crap :/ |
| 20:09.10 | Luke-Jr | I probably need to reinstall my N900 entirely too |
| 20:09.18 | Luke-Jr | it goes weird too often |
| 20:09.38 | Sicelo | ok :-) |
| 20:11.09 | RzR | hi |
| 20:11.48 | RzR | i am popping up to know what is the status of resources backup project ? |
| 20:12.32 | RzR | do u have a file of all directs links ? |
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| 20:14.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | RzR: there's a list of backed up stuff on http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/, however those are not generally public for download |
| 20:15.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are other backup as well, which are for public download |
| 20:16.02 | kerio | heh, we backed up the nonglobal n900 repos? |
| 20:16.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g teotwaki's stuff at wedrop.it |
| 20:16.39 | RzR | yes |
| 20:16.53 | RzR | but a file of urls could be public isnt it ? |
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| 20:18.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | of backed up URLs? |
| 20:18.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | like that? http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/backed-up-sites-v1.txt |
| 20:18.36 | RzR | or resources that are about to get offline soon or later |
| 20:18.54 | RzR | yes but all files |
| 20:18.57 | RzR | not dirs |
| 20:19.04 | RzR | i am making one |
| 20:19.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, what is that list listing? |
| 20:19.46 | RzR | all known files to be mirrored |
| 20:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | to be, hmm |
| 20:19.59 | RzR | http://.../file |
| 20:19.59 | kerio | ~pkg |
| 20:19.59 | infobot | rumour has it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 20:20.00 | RzR | etc |
| 20:20.24 | kerio | dammit flandry, y u no update mame |
| 20:20.32 | RzR | and let me suggest to aslo mirror qt sdks |
| 20:21.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, we mirrored a lot already, and I guess nobody is going to do a diff or restart download of ~3TB of data with a new list |
| 20:21.34 | RzR | i just want a list |
| 20:21.42 | RzR | dont care of the content :) |
| 20:21.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you just said you are going to prepare such list |
| 20:21.58 | RzR | and no need to download it again |
| 20:22.06 | RzR | if it is already cached |
| 20:22.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I don't get what you suggest I should do |
| 20:22.45 | RzR | didnt say you should do anything |
| 20:22.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: |
| 20:22.52 | RzR | do you know about amiga TOSEC ? |
| 20:23.17 | RzR | like |
| 20:23.18 | RzR | http://www.tosecdev.org/index.php/news/releases/47-tosec-release-2012-04-23 |
| 20:23.34 | RzR | those guys are doing amazing preservation efforts |
| 20:23.51 | RzR | starting to index every thing they could find for the amiga |
| 20:24.17 | RzR | I fell, we should do something similar |
| 20:24.29 | kerio | i thought about dowloading the tosec for some consoles, but they eventually degenerate in multi-tb effort that i'm not ready to put in |
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| 20:26.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know what's the use of indexing |
| 20:26.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | mirroring resp wget a backup, yes. index however... |
| 20:26.52 | RzR | what makes you think everything will be there ? |
| 20:30.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I still have a hard time in both answering your question as well as concluding anything I could do to help with backup project |
| 20:31.09 | RzR | ftp://ftp.qt.nokia.com/qtsdk/ |
| 20:31.27 | RzR | went offline |
| 20:31.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | i told you I and a few others which you already know did a backup effort |
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| 20:33.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want different format of the list of stuff we backed up, please let me or brkn know. If you found something that needs backup but isn't on our list yet, let brkn or me know. I don't know what else to say |
| 20:34.57 | RzR | i talked w/ brkn this morning |
| 20:34.58 | RzR | ok |
| 20:35.10 | brkn | RzR: which qt sdk version are you missing/looking for? |
| 20:35.34 | RzR | all of them :-) |
| 20:35.42 | RzR | no latest one should be enough |
| 20:36.02 | RzR | but i wanted to build a list of direct link to maintain |
| 20:36.16 | RzR | and track once resources go offline |
| 20:36.58 | brkn | well feel free to take all ressources i gave you earlier today + yours, compile a list, ping em back and i'll backup the new stuff |
| 20:37.09 | brkn | s/em/me |
| 20:37.17 | RzR | that sounds nice |
| 20:37.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're a nice bunch :-) |
| 20:37.42 | RzR | how far are you in the process ? |
| 20:38.11 | brkn | how far? let's say atm 100% |
| 20:38.23 | brkn | unless you discover sth new |
| 20:38.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | as mentioned before, the list i linked above is backed up completely |
| 20:38.39 | brkn | i covered everything from tmo backup htread + even more |
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| 20:39.05 | brkn | add your repo (1.1 gb) to the txt file i gave you earlier today |
| 20:39.17 | RzR | ok will do that now |
| 20:39.28 | RzR | but all obs would be good too |
| 20:39.38 | RzR | let's fire this |
| 20:40.08 | brkn | sure, whatever it takes to enable devs to continue support for n900 and n9 |
| 20:40.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | though initially this project been to backup stuff that *Nokia* might fail to host eventually, but as long as we got space... :-) |
| 20:41.07 | brkn | DocScrutinizer05: we are still good on that |
| 20:41.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 20:41.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | then go ahead |
| 20:41.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I rather pay for used storage, than for unused one ;-) |
| 20:41.57 | brkn | ack |
| 20:42.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | however keep an eye on our traffic limit please |
| 20:42.46 | brkn | don't worry |
| 20:43.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | once we trip that, we need to manually reset it |
| 20:43.10 | brkn | all being monitored as you might be aware of |
| 20:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 20:44.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I even forgot if we got 5 or 10tb/mo |
| 20:45.51 | brkn | so RzR: you those https://qt-project.org/downloads mirrored too? |
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| 20:46.13 | brkn | i did not mirror them until now because i thought as those no more belong to nokia, downloads won't go offline anytime soon |
| 20:48.02 | brkn | 21:39 <RzR> but all obs would be good too >> can you be more specific about that please? |
| 20:49.06 | RzR | build.pub.meego.com |
| 20:49.16 | RzR | I can mirror sources hosted over there |
| 20:54.32 | brkn | ok |
| 20:54.41 | brkn | please do so then |
| 20:58.11 | RzR | back |
| 21:01.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're not discouraging anybody from mirroring whatever they like, it's just we need one "official" reference that's somewhat "guarnteed" that it's not been tampered with. I hope I can help with that issue, in my position as maemo councilor |
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| 21:05.46 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, now I created deb packages and installed kdepim to system |
| 21:05.56 | Pali | after some patches it working fine |
| 21:06.06 | Pali | I will update git tree... |
| 21:06.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I wonder if I might use those .deb |
| 21:06.30 | RzR | Pali, are we synching garage to gitorious also ? |
| 21:06.39 | Pali | RzR, no |
| 21:06.47 | Pali | there was only one import |
| 21:06.55 | RzR | ok |
| 21:06.58 | RzR | that one |
| 21:06.58 | RzR | gitorious.org/+maemo |
| 21:07.03 | Pali | RzR, if you want I can give you scripts for import |
| 21:07.22 | RzR | thx best would be to create a project for that :) |
| 21:07.33 | Pali | scripts clonning all garage repos and pushing it to gitorious |
| 21:08.05 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, if you want I can give you amd64 tarball of my kdepim-noakonadi root |
| 21:08.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, garage is a friggin monster of dunnowhat mailing lists, cvs, git, bla |
| 21:08.14 | RzR | I may use them to sync obs to git too |
| 21:08.32 | Pali | but it is compiled against 4.9.4 |
| 21:09.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 21:09.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | will most probably not work here |
| 21:10.10 | Pali | then you need to compile it yourself |
| 21:10.42 | Pali | binaries still depends on akonadi library, because I was not able to remove some code |
| 21:10.48 | Pali | but depends only on library |
| 21:10.54 | Pali | akonadi server can be deleted |
| 21:11.19 | Pali | also now I see that compilation is very tricky |
| 21:11.36 | Pali | you need any compiled version of kdepim for compiling my version of kdepim |
| 21:12.21 | Pali | because for compilation is needed libkleo and that library chaning ABI very often |
| 21:12.36 | Pali | so I decided to use system libkleo and compile my kdepim against system |
| 21:12.48 | Pali | instead recompiling all system apps which depends on libkleo... |
| 21:18.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | what I said, a nightmare |
| 21:21.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | there must be a reason that *nobody* has done it yet for opensuse, otherwise I'd think you should find some package to install, on http://software.opensuse.org/122/en for kdepim or kmail |
| 21:21.29 | Pali | I will push dsc/deb packages to my repository on launchpad |
| 21:21.43 | Pali | so debian/ubuntu users will be able to easily install them |
| 21:22.11 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, what distribution do you have? |
| 21:22.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Opensuse12.x |
| 21:24.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | 21.1 |
| 21:24.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | 12.1 |
| 21:26.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>home:Vajsravana4.7.11_really_4.4.11.1<< kinda sounds promising |
| 21:27.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>home:steffens:kmail1 4.7.11_really_4.4.11.1<< even |
| 21:28.19 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, you really do not want any kdepim package >= 4.4 |
| 21:29.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | if only I knew, since it's kinda absolutely obscure what kmail versio is in which kontact version |
| 21:29.30 | Pali | http://yuenhoe.com/blog/2011/07/dealing-with-cmakemodulesfindkde4internal-cmake-not-found/ |
| 21:29.36 | Pali | ^^^ |
| 21:29.45 | Pali | first link in google for "opensuse 12.1 FindKDE4Internal.cmake" |
| 21:30.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: thanks :-) |
| 21:31.04 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, but wait with compilation |
| 21:31.12 | Pali | I will push new changes to git |
| 21:31.46 | Pali | kaddressbook in git not working in kontact (only as stanalone application) |
| 21:32.10 | Pali | I fixed it and now trying to create non conflicts debian packages... |
| 21:35.44 | brkn | RzR: you were right - i still needed the sdks. mirrored http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/da8df288-e615-443d-be5c-00c8a72435f8/Qt_SDK.html now |
| 21:35.55 | brkn | with all downloads |
| 21:36.16 | RzR | 99% |
| 21:36.30 | RzR | i'll make your status decrease to 1% |
| 21:36.50 | brkn | lol |
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| 21:38.15 | RzR | https://www.google.fr/search?q=QtSdk-offline-linux-x86_64-v1.2.1.run&aq=f&oq=QtSdk-offline-linux-x86_64-v1.2.1.run&sugexp=chrome,mod=0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22QtSdk-offline-linux-x86_64-v1.2.1.run%22+%22index+of%22&oq=%22QtSdk-offline-linux-x86_64-v1.2.1.run%22+%22index+of%22&gs_l=serp.3...6629.9143.1.9353.11.11.0.0.0.0.95.999.11.11.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.-VALOj4CTzE&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1357700187,d.ZG4&fp=4ba50 |
| 21:38.15 | RzR | 83b210eb6fb&biw=780&bih=361 |
| 21:38.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I don't think this will give me any more fun... |
| 21:38.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | CMake Error at /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:198 (MESSAGE): |
| 21:38.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.47 | RzR | http://mirror.linux.or.id/qt/ |
| 21:38.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.55 | RzR | should be the same |
| 21:39.00 | RzR | i'll double check |
| 21:39.07 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, you need to install kdepimlibs devel |
| 21:39.11 | brkn | check md5 |
| 21:39.13 | brkn | besides |
| 21:39.19 | RzR | yes |
| 21:39.19 | Pali | try to check your package manager |
| 21:39.45 | brkn | mac 64 bit offline missing |
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| 21:44.50 | RzR | who cares =P |
| 21:45.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: anything kdepim*devel needs akonadi-runtime which needs libboost-program-options which isn't available. Honestly this sucks and I guess will cost me one week as I anticiapetd |
| 21:45.05 | brkn | well i do. |
| 21:45.20 | brkn | for the sake of completeness |
| 21:45.42 | Pali | bad distribution... |
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| 21:50.26 | RzR | ftp://ftp.qt.nokia.com/ |
| 21:50.26 | RzR | http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ |
| 21:50.26 | RzR | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/ |
| 21:50.26 | RzR | http://maemo.merlin1991.at/ |
| 21:50.51 | RzR | i am wondering how many TB is all this ? |
| 21:51.53 | brkn | i offered you a tree with folder sizes |
| 21:52.23 | brkn | atm ~ 1100 gb |
| 21:52.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | RzR: we for sure don't want to mirror http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/, since it's mirroring mirrors which we already got the original source |
| 21:53.05 | brkn | + it's incomplete |
| 21:53.27 | NeutrinoPower | I am trying to connect a keyboard on my n900 with the host-mode-enabler application but the keyboard blink only one time |
| 21:53.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | RzR: in the end we don't want to mirror every existing mirror, since that would include our own mirror as well ;-) |
| 21:54.13 | RzR | you see my motivation to index all that |
| 21:54.15 | RzR | btw http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1205/2811/7048829758/DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin |
| 21:54.24 | RzR | those are direct links |
| 21:54.43 | brkn | so RzR? |
| 21:54.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not averse to get a backup of my maemo.cloud-7.de ;-) |
| 21:54.51 | kerio | NeutrinoPower: what's host-mode-enabler? :o |
| 21:55.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | not sure about merlin's stuff |
| 21:55.29 | brkn | already have them all |
| 21:55.39 | RzR | :) |
| 21:55.59 | brkn | all tar.gz'ed |
| 21:56.00 | NeutrinoPower | h-e-n |
| 21:56.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | hostmode-easy-now ;-) |
| 21:56.46 | kerio | NeutrinoPower: do you have an appropriate kernel? |
| 21:56.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask me why I couldn't com eup with a better name for it |
| 21:57.11 | NeutrinoPower | power-user-kernel |
| 21:57.24 | kerio | you mean kernel-power |
| 21:57.26 | Snafu777 | <~~~ Currently testing out KP51.... Not bad so far |
| 21:57.27 | kerio | it should work |
| 21:57.35 | NeutrinoPower | yes |
| 21:57.39 | kerio | NeutrinoPower: do you, by any chance, have some sort of bme replacement installed? |
| 21:58.02 | NeutrinoPower | I don't know, what is bme? |
| 21:58.08 | brkn | RzR: this is the list: http://pastebin.com/nL4fSbgz |
| 21:58.25 | brkn | 762 gb uncompressed |
| 21:58.41 | brkn | sure you can get all firmwares, but i dropped < pr 1.3 versions |
| 21:58.53 | brkn | wastes way too much space |
| 21:59.12 | NeutrinoPower | I have also an simple USB-A to USB-A socket adapter |
| 21:59.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | brkn: could you provide updated list for http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/backed-up-sites.txt |
| 21:59.52 | brkn | DocScrutinizer05: sure, folders only or also files? |
| 21:59.57 | brkn | with or without sizes? |
| 22:00.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | with |
| 22:00.11 | brkn | lol with what? |
| 22:00.19 | brkn | +verbose |
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| 22:00.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 22:00.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | as verbose as possible I'd think |
| 22:00.47 | RzR | brkn, I wish I could have direct links urls too |
| 22:00.59 | brkn | you want the urls? |
| 22:01.01 | brkn | for what? |
| 22:01.09 | RzR | to compute hashes |
| 22:01.15 | RzR | not that i dont trust you |
| 22:01.21 | brkn | oh i see. well that can be done |
| 22:01.25 | brkn | give me a few secs |
| 22:01.35 | RzR | great |
| 22:01.36 | brkn | i don't trust me either |
| 22:01.40 | brkn | makes 2 already |
| 22:01.42 | RzR | :) |
| 22:02.17 | brkn | besides if n9 images were compromised as far as i understood - they would flash to open mode? correct me if i am wrong |
| 22:03.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess they wouldn't flash at all |
| 22:03.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | not sure |
| 22:03.17 | brkn | oh they will according to thedead1440 |
| 22:03.23 | RzR | so then I want them just because it is possible |
| 22:04.01 | brkn | you want to download all firmwares? |
| 22:04.08 | RzR | not all |
| 22:04.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | hafe fun! |
| 22:04.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | have even |
| 22:04.23 | brkn | oh yes, prepare for some days |
| 22:04.31 | brkn | only n900 + n9 latest firmwares took 3 days |
| 22:04.33 | brkn | on 100mbit |
| 22:04.39 | brkn | but suit yourself |
| 22:05.03 | RzR | using navifirm+ ? |
| 22:05.06 | brkn | even wget with xargs for 10 concurrent dls is slow |
| 22:05.08 | brkn | no |
| 22:05.11 | RzR | ok |
| 22:05.12 | brkn | custom bash script |
| 22:05.24 | brkn | creating folders as well to put those files in |
| 22:05.31 | brkn | navicrap is lame |
| 22:05.42 | RzR | it is |
| 22:05.44 | brkn | besides you'd need to download manually every single firmware |
| 22:05.46 | RzR | but runs on wine |
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| 22:06.17 | brkn | and yet still crap under wine stays crap |
| 22:07.40 | brkn | ok copying the sources from laptop, you'll get them as soon as finished |
| 22:08.03 | RzR | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/ |
| 22:08.10 | RzR | an other mirror |
| 22:08.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's not a mirror I guess |
| 22:08.35 | RzR | true |
| 22:08.36 | RzR | but |
| 22:08.37 | RzR | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/ |
| 22:09.11 | RzR | well I wont start mine |
| 22:09.13 | brkn | sec |
| 22:09.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | it seems to contain a mirror of some stuff |
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| 22:09.52 | RzR | at least |
| 22:09.52 | RzR | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/mirror/repository.maemo.org/ |
| 22:10.09 | brkn | RzR: all covered |
| 22:10.12 | brkn | for firmwares see http://pastebin.com/864p6aFs |
| 22:10.15 | brkn | you have the list |
| 22:10.21 | brkn | don#t post duplicates everyt ime |
| 22:10.25 | brkn | every time |
| 22:11.06 | brkn | :D |
| 22:12.26 | RzR | brkn, i am dl all srcs on obs , it's fairly slow |
| 22:12.33 | RzR | will keep you up to date |
| 22:12.36 | brkn | ok |
| 22:12.48 | brkn | i am taring the sources for nokia firmwares |
| 22:13.09 | RzR | btw how can I upload it to yo |
| 22:13.11 | RzR | u |
| 22:13.24 | RzR | there are no legal issue since it's all floss |
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| 22:14.13 | brkn | https://www.dropbox.com/s/tiqi7k7zo749k3l/firmwares.tar.gz |
| 22:14.18 | brkn | those are all sources |
| 22:14.40 | brkn | each folder contains one file with all links for that specific version |
| 22:15.40 | brkn | so if you still want everything loop over the files and use wget with xargs for concurrent downloads or cul |
| 22:15.42 | brkn | curl |
| 22:15.56 | brkn | you can sftp upload |
| 22:20.10 | brkn | RzR for ftp://ftp.qt.nokia.com/ see https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTWEBSITE-433 |
| 22:20.48 | RzR | what about n8x0 and n950 ? |
| 22:21.55 | brkn | boy you are killing me :D |
| 22:22.49 | RzR | those are into tablet-dev right ? |
| 22:22.51 | brkn | N800, N810, N810 wimax > http://pastebin.com/864p6aFs |
| 22:22.55 | brkn | ack |
| 22:23.08 | RzR | so no direct links ? |
| 22:23.36 | brkn | direct links? you need to authenticate with imei / product id @ nokia in order to download |
| 22:23.45 | RzR | yes I know |
| 22:23.56 | RzR | no that hard to find :) |
| 22:24.02 | brkn | sure |
| 22:24.08 | brkn | so what's the problem? |
| 22:24.56 | RzR | I was thinking about something more generic |
| 22:25.25 | brkn | sorry, explain generic |
| 22:26.39 | RzR | I can but I'll have to kill yo |
| 22:26.50 | RzR | which I already did |
| 22:26.54 | RzR | <brkn> boy you are killing me :D |
| 22:27.51 | brkn | well if you don't mind go on |
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