| 00:12.41 | WizardNumberNext | DocScrutinizer51: I would not say that chips do not differ between laptop and mobile - mobile doesn't have PCI-e or PCI, laptop doesn't have SPI or I2C (easily accessible and "extenable") |
| 00:13.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | I don't think there are many WLAN chips with PCI-E interface |
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| 00:14.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | I might be wrong since I never checked |
| 00:15.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | sysax gone, meh |
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| 00:22.37 | WizardNumberNext | there are just few, I know I was looking for top-notch wifi chip |
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| 01:12.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway to lurkers which might be curious: alternative to "at" for maemo5 is "alarmed" app |
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| 01:13.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/alarmed/ |
| 01:14.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | with a tiny bit of help from my side on the general concept and the API |
| 01:14.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and UI |
| 01:16.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=558772 |
| 01:17.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Complete CLI-Interface |
| 01:17.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Support for Cron syntax like "23,26 */3 1,2 * *" |
| 01:17.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Support for date syntax like "now + 10 minutes" |
| 01:18.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably mostly courtesy DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 01:21.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | mrpingu also gone. meh again |
| 01:23.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway again for lurkers: WLAN and BT (A2DP) interfering by design, not by chip consolidation which rather improves coexistence |
| 01:23.48 | spoofy | Ugh Doc? |
| 01:24.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW: using two antennae isn't an advantage, it's a waste of hw resources |
| 01:24.04 | spoofy | Can u upload my nmap package to repo? |
| 01:24.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: I have not any better access to repo than you |
| 01:24.41 | spoofy | Uh ok :) |
| 01:24.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dns |
| 01:24.56 | spoofy | ok nevermind, sorry ;) |
| 01:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | W*T*F?! |
| 01:25.06 | spoofy | what? |
| 01:25.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal #maemo DNS |
| 01:25.34 | infobot | "#maemo dns" is "http://mwkn.net/2013/01/community.html and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts" |
| 01:25.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget #maemo dns |
| 01:25.55 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot #maemo dns |
| 01:26.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo interim-dns is "http://mwkn.net/2013/01/community.html and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts" |
| 01:26.24 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 01:26.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~interim-dns |
| 01:26.37 | infobot | interim-dns is, like, "http://mwkn.net/2013/01/community.html and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts" |
| 01:27.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dns google.com |
| 01:29.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dns wiki.maemo.org |
| 01:31.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: I don't know if autobuilder already is up and running on one of the new vhosts |
| 01:31.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | blease try ~interim-dns and report back |
| 01:31.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | please* OMFG |
| 01:31.59 | spoofy | I don't care about autobuilder. I have all nesesery pacakges |
| 01:32.12 | spoofy | You can test it if you want |
| 01:32.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't upload binary packages to repo |
| 01:32.25 | spoofy | What? Why? |
| 01:32.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | for security reasons |
| 01:32.42 | spoofy | I didn't read wiki about uploading :x |
| 01:33.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | upload source, autobuilder creates binaries that are guaranteed to match the sourcecode |
| 01:33.12 | spoofy | Oh well.. I think I'll ask jacekowski or run my own repo |
| 01:33.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody with a brain will host unchecked binaries for you |
| 01:34.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all they could contain *any* malware |
| 01:34.14 | spoofy | but everybody can look inside it and inside a orig.deb |
| 01:34.20 | spoofy | and .diff |
| 01:34.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, if autobuilder guarantees that source and binary are in sync |
| 01:35.10 | spoofy | Yes.. couse It's all about making botnet on n900s users.. |
| 01:35.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the reasoning anyway |
| 01:35.57 | spoofy | I think that someone update something is more important than that |
| 01:36.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's your take |
| 01:36.19 | spoofy | Uh.. So at least can you test it yourself? :) |
| 01:36.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo.org will not support it |
| 01:37.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | lots of people share .deb on tmo |
| 01:37.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | but repos won't import binaries |
| 01:37.51 | spoofy | ok, ok > the autobuilder will chceck sync betwen my package and orginal source |
| 01:38.07 | spoofy | but what will happen if I patch something? |
| 01:38.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | you upload source, autobuilder creates binary from it |
| 01:38.34 | spoofy | autobuilder will read the <name_of_package>/debian/patches folder? |
| 01:39.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | the result is a sourcode that's in sync with the binary |
| 01:40.02 | spoofy | w8 I'll read wiki about it |
| 01:40.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want to share binaries, you can post on tmo and attach .deb |
| 01:41.13 | spoofy | I want to share all of my work - many, many .deb also with sources |
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| 01:44.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you either go autobuilder (via garage) old school path like everybody, or you run your own repo and make users at that repo/catalog to HAM |
| 01:45.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/at/add/ |
| 01:45.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ at / add / |
| 01:45.52 | spoofy | Yeah.. and finally make a mirror of the "official" repos |
| 01:46.04 | spoofy | that makes sens ;) |
| 01:46.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the final consequence, if you want to avoid autobuilder |
| 01:47.00 | spoofy | Ugh.. maybe I'll have some time to "play" with autobuilder |
| 01:47.22 | spoofy | but more important to me is to update everything I can |
| 01:48.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | take maintainership if the package already exists, upload source to autobuilder, watch it pop up in extras-devel. profit |
| 01:48.19 | spoofy | from adding small perl modules, some small packages, to updated webkit, midori, nmap, subversion etc. |
| 01:48.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/ if / of / |
| 01:48.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, forget that |
| 01:49.42 | spoofy | I know my english is lame :D But I can perfectly understand everything - You don't need to write it twice :P |
| 01:50.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | just trying to correct typos that aren't even there |
| 01:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for that |
| 01:51.21 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I know the concept behind quite some maemo services isn't instantly obvious, but it makes sense |
| 01:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: dunno. What's english? |
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| 01:53.09 | spoofy | Yeah.. right.. Now tell me how I've made a postgres working -,- |
| 01:53.10 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: sometimes I wonder - and I teach it :( |
| 01:53.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: my native language is assembler |
| 01:53.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I know my english is poor |
| 01:53.48 | jpinx | heh |
| 01:53.53 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: tell me about your life in assembler :D |
| 01:53.59 | spoofy | ffffff0fff0fff :D |
| 01:54.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 01:54.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, enjoy yourself, folks |
| 01:55.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 01:55.09 | spoofy | Cya! ;) |
| 01:56.07 | jpinx | eeeeeh - what's up Doc ? ;) |
| 01:57.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~0xeeeee |
| 01:57.32 | robbiethe1st | <DocScrutinizer05> I'm Hunting Wabbits! |
| 01:57.56 | jpinx | heh |
| 01:58.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~0xeeeee * 1 |
| 01:59.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~useless |
| 01:59.01 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 02:03.36 | robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer05, - 978670 |
| 02:04.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: actually I try to improve my pidgin. since, you know, 8 people from random locations of the world meet for a business meeting. 7 are talking pidgin, one is an englishman. Guess who's the one who didn't manage to make his point |
| 02:04.19 | robbiethe1st | also, 0x520FD8 |
| 02:05.17 | robbiethe1st | huh, that's also a color, cool! |
| 02:08.31 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: so true - I see it all the time |
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| 02:23.25 | unclouded | all of your English is awesome |
| 02:29.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | all your base are belong to us |
| 02:29.24 | jonwil | http://gaurangkp.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/nokia-https-mitm/ |
| 02:29.28 | jpinx | kicks the wall. |
| 02:29.36 | jonwil | Another reason not to buy a Nokia Windows Phone phone |
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| 02:30.08 | jonwil | oh wait, the Nokia Asha 302 is Synbian |
| 02:30.22 | jonwil | wait no, its S40 |
| 02:30.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.google.de/search?q=all+your+base |
| 02:31.11 | jonwil | in any case, that article is a good reason not to buy a Nokia phone that happens to have that specific feature |
| 02:31.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | +wiki all your base |
| 02:31.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki all your base |
| 02:31.43 | spoofy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.49 | spoofy | damn it |
| 02:32.36 | spoofy | Philipp Zabel <philipp.zabel@gmail.com> |
| 02:32.46 | spoofy | ^^ what you can tell me about this user? |
| 02:37.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>On April 1, 2003, in Sturgis, Michigan, seven people aged 17 to 20 placed signs all over town that read, "All your base are belong to us. You have no chance to survive make your time." They claimed to be playing an April Fool's joke but most people who saw the signs were unfamiliar with the phrase. Many residents were upset that the signs appeared while the U.S. was at war with Iraq and police chief Eugene Alli said the signs could be |
| 02:37.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | "a borderline terrorist threat depending on what someone interprets it to mean."<< |
| 02:38.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Eugene Alli for US president! |
| 02:38.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | XP |
| 02:38.43 | jpinx | half-wits.... |
| 02:40.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | thinks himself farting is a clear terrorist threat depending on nothing at all |
| 02:41.05 | jpinx | introspective small-town USA is truly a dangerous place |
| 02:41.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | luckily I don't live in brainfucked united states of america |
| 02:41.42 | jpinx | blames the lack of education |
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| 02:46.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | all of a sudden has a vivid memory of that wino George Doublewho looking under his desk at oval office and mumbling "no weapons of mass destruction here either. Damn, where are they?" And YOU call others terrorists??? |
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| 02:48.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Caspar Weinberger telling extreme indigestible bullshit to the world, and our brillinat Joshka Fischer telling him what he can do with those lies |
| 02:49.33 | spoofy | Ok I must go ugh |
| 02:49.51 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: You've doing great work with migration ;) |
| 02:50.00 | spoofy | keep it up dude! ;) |
| 02:50.05 | spoofy | Cya! |
| 02:51.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | will try, spoopfy. cya |
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| 10:56.41 | XATRIX | Is there any possibility to update my browsers flash plugin ? |
| 10:56.57 | XATRIX | A few flash players unable to play |
| 10:59.03 | Pali | XATRIX, this is last (unreleased) flash player by *nokia* http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1268726#post1268726 |
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| 11:02.15 | XATRIX | Pali , playerversion.com says i have LNX 9,0,227,0 |
| 11:02.31 | XATRIX | Crap :( |
| 11:02.38 | Pali | did you installed that deb package and rebooted? |
| 11:04.12 | XATRIX | Currently working on |
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| 11:31.38 | internetishard | just switched to the nexus4 after all these years on the n900... Wow, if nokia (or another company) kept a phone like the n900 up to date it could totally be everything this thing is (and more)! |
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| 11:45.57 | fasta | What do the 100,000 employees of Nokia do? |
| 11:46.19 | fasta | Creating a phone takes perhaps 100 skilled people, marketing an additional 500. |
| 11:46.59 | flux | fasta, what do you base those numbers on? |
| 11:47.20 | flux | but I guess the answer is: the manage other people :P |
| 11:47.26 | flux | (+y) |
| 11:47.41 | fasta | flux: several teams of EE for the hardware and CS people + some UI people for the software. |
| 11:48.01 | fasta | I know some one man shows that created cellphones. |
| 11:48.13 | fasta | It's 'commodity technology' almost. |
| 11:48.31 | flux | fasta, did he also create all the software that current mobile phones come with? |
| 11:48.44 | fasta | flux: no, but that already exists now, doesn't it? |
| 11:48.55 | flux | in nokia they keep rewriting them :) |
| 11:48.57 | fasta | flux: i.e. just put Linux on it. |
| 11:49.08 | flux | yes, just putting linux on it solves the software side.. |
| 11:49.34 | fasta | flux: creating some touch UI is perhaps a few months of work for one person. |
| 11:49.50 | fasta | I don't get why Ubuntu takes so long, though. |
| 11:50.08 | fasta | Unity is a trivial piece of software and they take ages to make it work. |
| 11:51.04 | fasta | I am not saying that creating the whole of maemo should take just a few months. |
| 11:51.28 | fasta | But 30 or so core developers should be able to create a lot when managed well. |
| 11:52.27 | flux | I shall claim that if it were that easy, there would be more competition |
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| 11:52.40 | flux | but we shall see what kind of a mobile phone Jolla has made with relatively little(?) resources |
| 11:53.13 | fasta | flux: AFAIK, the only problem is the patents. |
| 11:53.44 | fasta | Perhaps Nokia should just sell patent protection packages. |
| 11:54.24 | fasta | flux: on Youtube there are videos of people who created alternative mobile UIs for the N900 too. |
| 11:54.53 | flux | fasta, I think the problem is not creating the 90% but, the remaining 10% |
| 11:55.07 | fasta | flux: you mean to make it bug free, etc.? |
| 11:55.15 | fasta | flux: and fast in all cases. |
| 11:55.19 | flux | fasta, yes, make it a polished stable working end product customers want |
| 11:55.28 | fasta | And feature packed. |
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| 14:28.57 | jpinx | https browsing as well https://gaurangkp.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/nokia-https-mitm/ |
| 14:29.14 | Apic | B-) |
| 14:29.22 | jpinx | big trouble for nokia if they keep this up :( |
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| 14:30.47 | Apic | Ack |
| 14:31.42 | eichi | hello! someone knows something about maemo5 and browser security? I mean: there are not much updates, means its maybe exploitable with some browser engine exploits? someone knows more about this? |
| 14:32.19 | eichi | I think about doing some "business" about my n900, but I'm not that sure, if its a good idea |
| 14:32.32 | eichi | about = with...sorry, bad english |
| 14:36.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | eichi: the browser engine is open source and so far no exploits known. Flash plugin however is terribly outdated and seen none of the last 4 years' security updates Adobe published. |
| 14:38.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | eichi: check ~cssu, there the cssu team ships security relevant updates when possible, recently we published a fix for the TURKSAT cert security threat |
| 14:38.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 14:38.55 | infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 14:40.37 | eichi | yeah, i use cssu updates allready. I'm just not sure about the browser and someone looks about it anymore |
| 14:42.13 | eichi | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ this is the source behind the browser, isnt it? |
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| 15:03.58 | freemangordon | eichi: if you use CSSU, here https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/microb-engine is the backend source code |
| 15:04.51 | freemangordon | (only for -T and -thumb though, stable is still on stock) |
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| 15:06.55 | eichi | thanks, I will look at in some days |
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| 15:27.49 | WizardNumberNext | hello freemangordon. I have one question: how to create patch files? I have original vanilia kernel and the one patched with some patches. I actually want to create only one patch (0003 in yours), as I have broken it by accident and had to apply patch by hand. |
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| 15:58.14 | fastlane` | pplllll |
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| 15:58.25 | fastlane` | can i change the conversation app in n900? |
| 15:58.35 | fastlane` | where should I look for this, is it open source |
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| 16:01.07 | Lava_Croft | Completely replace, probably not and iirc the application itself is not open source |
| 16:01.25 | Lava_Croft | But as usual I'm not entirely sure |
| 16:01.34 | Lava_Croft | guyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 16:01.43 | fastlane` | i have a lot of conversations, |
| 16:01.49 | fastlane` | 3 years worth of em i guess |
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| 16:02.37 | fastlane` | and i think that maybe the reason my n900 maybe slower |
| 16:03.19 | Lava_Croft | larger database is slower performance :< |
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| 16:03.25 | fastlane` | and if delete a conversation from the list, it takes a lot of time for it to disappear and for the rest of the list to adjust to the new position |
| 16:03.32 | fastlane` | true |
| 16:04.29 | Lava_Croft | im nowhere near technical enough to help you beyond 'remove conversations you don't need' |
| 16:04.37 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 16:05.07 | fastlane` | heh |
| 16:05.11 | fastlane` | hmm |
| 16:05.28 | fastlane` | do u know how to see which process is running behind this app/window |
| 16:06.40 | kerio | fastlane`: afaik the messages are stored in a sqlite db |
| 16:06.48 | kerio | or possibly an EDS db |
| 16:07.15 | fastlane` | hmm |
| 16:08.33 | kerio | it's sqlite |
| 16:08.42 | kerio | .rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db |
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| 16:09.44 | fastlane` | cool |
| 16:10.26 | fastlane` | and which executable is it that conversation app is part of |
| 16:11.05 | fastlane` | also, since i dont know this, in linux how wud you investigate such a thing, like given a window find what executeable or library it belongs to |
| 16:11.05 | kerio | rtcom-messaging-ui |
| 16:11.26 | kerio | fastlane`: i'm actually not sure, but you can check the process list |
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| 16:11.39 | kerio | from there, you could find out which binary |
| 16:11.45 | kerio | and then check which libraries are used by that binary |
| 16:11.45 | fastlane` | hmm |
| 16:11.57 | fastlane` | ps would do I guess, |
| 16:12.36 | kerio | fastlane`: xdotool getwindowpid |
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| 16:22.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<fastlane`> and i think that maybe the reason my n900 maybe slower)) you can bet on that |
| 16:22.56 | fastlane` | hmm |
| 16:23.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | fastlane`: it's basically not possible to replace the conversations app |
| 16:23.22 | fastlane` | it loads too much just in the start, i guess it loads just all of the hostory |
| 16:23.33 | fastlane` | what :o why :( |
| 16:23.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's closed, like all Nokia frontend/GUI stuff |
| 16:24.29 | luf | fastlane`: do you really need so long history? |
| 16:24.43 | luf | Are you cyborg to list it? :D |
| 16:25.00 | fastlane` | heh |
| 16:25.07 | fastlane` | :( |
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| 16:25.23 | fastlane` | hmm |
| 16:25.30 | fasta | Probably old news, but is anything being done to fix this on the N900? http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/01/10/1356228/nokia-admits-decrypting-user-data-claiming-it-isnt-looking |
| 16:26.06 | fasta | Aren't there like laws against corporate espionage? |
| 16:26.07 | fastlane` | there was this nice ap, glogarchive, but it kinda crashes on me. |
| 16:26.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is from two causes I guess: 1) sqlite performance on huge ~user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db, 2) conversation app retrieving *all* conversations *via dbus* from rtcom process |
| 16:26.53 | fastlane` | so i think, what shud be done is a custom app to read/search archived conversations, while leave default conversations app for handling sms etc |
| 16:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | good plan |
| 16:27.43 | fastlane` | run the archiver every month |
| 16:27.55 | fastlane` | pats n900 |
| 16:28.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's probably possible to export conversations to some plaintext format or whatever, exploiting sqlite cmdline frontend on .rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db |
| 16:28.31 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: that would require someone who groks SQL |
| 16:28.35 | ShadowJK | fasta, only relevant for Asha and similar things |
| 16:28.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh yes, in your archives there should be plaintext conversations in one of the tarballs already |
| 16:28.51 | ShadowJK | Opera Mobile does the same thing with "Opera Turbo" enabled, except it's opera servers doing it |
| 16:29.29 | fastlane` | el-v1.db is just 8mb :o |
| 16:29.32 | fastlane` | for me |
| 16:29.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | *just*??? |
| 16:29.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq |
| 16:29.47 | fastlane` | :D |
| 16:29.49 | Skry | :D |
| 16:29.51 | fastlane` | oh |
| 16:30.04 | fastlane` | so thats a lot of whole amount of text data i guess :$ |
| 16:30.10 | kerio | 72704B here |
| 16:30.23 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: will it be rebuilt on boot? |
| 16:30.25 | fastlane` | ~70k |
| 16:30.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 642048 2013-01-10 17:17 /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db |
| 16:31.47 | fastlane` | and what about this first time launchign of the Contacts app |
| 16:31.56 | fastlane` | 300 contacts shudnt be much, what is it doing |
| 16:32.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 16:32.14 | ShadowJK | fasta, calling it an "attack" is kinda sensationalist and dumb. The "Browser" on those phones isn't a browser, it's a thin client to access the browser which runs on Nokia servers? |
| 16:32.20 | kerio | fastlane`: you mean the event log? |
| 16:32.30 | kerio | the one that's stored in ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db? |
| 16:32.45 | fasta | ShadowJK: which browser is it then? |
| 16:32.55 | fastlane` | oh no, a different thing, just came to my mind since i was talking about conversations, |
| 16:32.58 | kerio | the one that's 114 times bigger than mine? |
| 16:33.01 | fastlane` | the default Contact app of maemo |
| 16:33.02 | fasta | ShadowJK: if it is like opera turbo it doesn't surprise me a lot. |
| 16:33.07 | ShadowJK | fasta, openwave or whatever? |
| 16:33.08 | kerio | oh, the contacts |
| 16:33.12 | fastlane` | yea :) |
| 16:33.14 | kerio | that's an EDS db |
| 16:33.15 | fastlane` | lol |
| 16:33.17 | fasta | ShadowJK: but even then it should say that at startup. |
| 16:33.19 | kerio | i thought you meant phone |
| 16:33.30 | fasta | ShadowJK: so, it's not even on the N900? |
| 16:33.37 | ShadowJK | fasta, no |
| 16:33.54 | Pali | fasta, above problem is not on n900 |
| 16:33.59 | fasta | ShadowJK: ok, then it's semi-sensationalist. |
| 16:34.09 | ShadowJK | fasta, they fucking mention it in the bloody tv adverts, it's a big selling point, faster browser that uses less bandwidth |
| 16:34.12 | kerio | hm, maybe it's not even an EDS |
| 16:34.18 | kerio | i'm not sure what osso-abook uses |
| 16:34.34 | fasta | ShadowJK: perhaps they also mention it in the EULA. |
| 16:34.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | EDS |
| 16:34.43 | fasta | ShadowJK: or some similar document. |
| 16:34.51 | fasta | I can't imagine that they don't do that. |
| 16:35.06 | fasta | Otherwise it would be a legal suicide. |
| 16:35.17 | ShadowJK | fasta, btw, there's that Nokia Email thing too which does similar things |
| 16:35.50 | ShadowJK | I forget the name of it |
| 16:35.59 | ShadowJK | "Nokia Messaging" perhaps |
| 16:36.42 | ShadowJK | When you sign up for it and give it the user/pass to your email, Nokia Servers access your email, and use a more power and bandwidth efficient protocol to deliver it to your phone |
| 16:37.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you use a concept much like VNC to browse the web, you shouldn't blame the VNCserver when it does MITM |
| 16:37.11 | ShadowJK | The nokia server handles your shitty email server, and delivers it as push-email in a power efficient manner |
| 16:37.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 16:38.20 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, what is the best irc client for n900? |
| 16:38.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | common saerver-client design pattern |
| 16:38.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: in my book still xchat, YMMV |
| 16:38.47 | totalizator | Pali: irrgu |
| 16:39.12 | totalizator | you can close UI and it runs in background |
| 16:39.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's the use of *that*? |
| 16:40.03 | totalizator | Pali: *irGGu |
| 16:40.15 | fastlane` | hmm running in the backgroun and if it consumes less battery would be good, |
| 16:40.30 | totalizator | aye |
| 16:40.33 | vi____ | irssi! |
| 16:40.38 | fastlane` | while still logging chat. |
| 16:40.39 | kerio | Pali: xchat |
| 16:40.40 | totalizator | and irssi :) |
| 16:40.44 | Skry | irssi |
| 16:40.48 | kerio | fastlane`: that's called a bouncer |
| 16:40.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | it won't consume less power for just closing the GUI instead of putting it to background |
| 16:40.59 | Pali | ok, going to install xchat |
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| 16:41.13 | vi____ | only kidding, xchat beats irssi if you use docscrutinizers config files. |
| 16:41.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: you'll want my xchat config file |
| 16:41.23 | kerio | notices that doc+kerio >= vi+skry+totalizator :3 |
| 16:41.31 | fastlane` | i didnt have access to any bouncer kerio , so was using xchat to keep it online/running all the time, wud consume a lot of battery. |
| 16:41.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, vi____ beat me to it |
| 16:41.55 | vi____ | However page up down appears to not work in xchat. Which sucks. |
| 16:42.03 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, where is your config file? :-) |
| 16:42.14 | fastlane` | ok upload the config files! |
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| 16:42.18 | vi____ | ~jrtools |
| 16:42.19 | infobot | cp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts-maemobackup && echo "188.117.59.202 wiki.maemo.org" >> /etc/hosts; http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 16:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 16:42.19 | infobot | cp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts-maemobackup && echo "188.117.59.202 wiki.maemo.org" >> /etc/hosts; http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 16:42.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | .. |
| 16:42.31 | vi____ | ~tm0 |
| 16:42.31 | infobot | from memory, tm0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans |
| 16:42.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ |
| 16:42.53 | kerio | is partial to nokia sans semibold 14 |
| 16:42.59 | kerio | or possibly 12 |
| 16:43.07 | kerio | nope, 14 |
| 16:43.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ |
| 16:43.30 | totalizator | fot is the biggest issue for me, everything is too small, hyh |
| 16:43.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrxchat is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ |
| 16:43.40 | infobot | i already had it that way, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 16:43.45 | kerio | ahaha |
| 16:43.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah |
| 16:43.57 | kerio | totalizator: having to use osso-xterm for irc would suck |
| 16:44.06 | kerio | you don't really need a monospaced font |
| 16:44.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo jrxchat |
| 16:44.07 | infobot | jrxchat -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Tue Jul 3 23:24:17 2012 (190 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by DocScrutinizer05 at Sun Sep 16 13:57:58 2012. |
| 16:44.26 | Pali | has xchat SASL support? |
| 16:44.40 | kerio | Pali: hm, not out of the box i think |
| 16:44.43 | ShadowJK | fasta, oh it's available as a download for Windows Phone too, the app "Xpress Browser" |
| 16:44.44 | kerio | Pali: http://freenode.net/sasl/sasl-xchat.shtml |
| 16:45.01 | kerio | i use znc |
| 16:45.05 | kerio | which is the shit |
| 16:45.14 | totalizator | kerio: um , why? |
| 16:45.17 | Pali | ok, how to configure xchat? |
| 16:45.23 | Pali | where to store that files? |
| 16:45.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | in ~user/.xchat2/ |
| 16:45.51 | kerio | the default config really isn't that bad |
| 16:45.54 | ShadowJK | fasta, oh also, when they released it, they made this page http://www.developer.nokia.com/Develop/Series_40/Nokia_Browser_for_Series_40/ |
| 16:46.05 | ShadowJK | it has fucking pictures, with arrows, showing data going through nokia servers, for fucks sake :-) |
| 16:46.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: you could do a diff between those already there and mine |
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| 16:48.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>The Nokia Xpress Browser comprises a client and a cloud-based proxy service.<< |
| 16:49.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | please remind me why we discuss this here? |
| 16:49.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all it's Series40 |
| 16:50.51 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, how to turn off any sound & vibrate notification? |
| 16:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | the default one is courtesy cehteh, see ~jrtools |
| 16:51.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | my own scheme is around the notifier.sh scriptie |
| 16:51.55 | kerio | damn, i seem to lose around 15 seconds for each day |
| 16:52.04 | Pali | ok, I disabled in notifier.sh |
| 16:52.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | and exploits sound playback binary of xcaht |
| 16:52.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: dman, I seem to lose 29h per day |
| 16:53.00 | kerio | i meant on the n900 RTC |
| 16:53.15 | kerio | hm, i wonder if ntpd does hwclock --systohc automatically |
| 16:53.30 | kerio | nope |
| 16:53.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 16:53.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ntpd does 11minute mode |
| 16:53.45 | kerio | no, wait, i *gained* around 15 seconds |
| 16:53.53 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no, i'm manually running the ntpd oneshot |
| 16:54.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | then it doesn't touch RTC |
| 16:54.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should always call it in oneliners, linked && |
| 16:54.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ntpd --foo && hwclock --systohc |
| 16:54.47 | kerio | yep |
| 16:55.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh wait |
| 16:55.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ntpd --foo && hwclock --systohc --noadjfile |
| 16:55.43 | kerio | there's no such thing as an adjfile in the busybox hwclock |
| 16:55.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | gooooood |
| 16:56.24 | kerio | so yeah |
| 16:56.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | adjfile of hwclock is da fekking BS |
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| 16:57.01 | kerio | do you reckon it would be good to run the syncing automatically every $time? |
| 16:57.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | clearly overengineered to fubar state |
| 16:57.08 | kerio | or possibly on every connection |
| 16:57.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | the latter |
| 16:58.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | add it to ifup orwhatsitcalled |
| 16:58.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and NEVER do a hwclock --systohc on system shutdown |
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| 17:00.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | on system shutdown your system time is more likely to be off than at any other point in time (except immediately after bootup) |
| 17:00.18 | kerio | i don't think icd2 calls ifup |
| 17:00.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it does call some script, no clue what'S the exact name |
| 17:01.14 | Pali | kerio, how /load working? |
| 17:01.23 | Pali | how to autoload sasl plugin? |
| 17:01.24 | kerio | idk, i don't use plugins in xchat |
| 17:01.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess xchat autoloads all available plugins at startup |
| 17:02.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | refer to |
| 17:02.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 17:02.06 | infobot | cp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts-maemobackup && echo "188.117.59.202 wiki.maemo.org" >> /etc/hosts; http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 17:02.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | about notification plugin |
| 17:03.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | # disable annoying xchat notifications introduced with some more recent update |
| 17:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | # goes along with 'undocumented' command /notify_mode -vl - thanks cehteh :-/ |
| 17:03.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | mv /usr/lib/xchat/plugins /usr/lib/xchat/plugins_disabled |
| 17:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ quick&dirty |
| 17:04.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes me think xchat autoloads everything in /usr/lib/xchat/plugins |
| 17:06.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ^^^ |
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| 17:08.47 | Pali | ok, perl sasl plugin require perl xchat.pm module |
| 17:08.52 | Pali | and that is missing :-( |
| 17:09.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 17:09.09 | ShadowJK | used /notify_mode to adjust notifications |
| 17:09.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: that's not sticky |
| 17:09.37 | ShadowJK | it is for me |
| 17:09.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 17:10.22 | Pali | http://bluevandevelopment.com/blog/2011/02/03/xchat-sasl-and-gcc-on-the-n900/ |
| 17:10.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | OOOOH maybe I got fooled by general non-stickiness of xchat settings when xchat killed instead of ended regularly |
| 17:10.38 | ShadowJK | Though xchat doesn't save any settings when you change settings. Only saves on clean exit, or if you do /save |
| 17:10.41 | ShadowJK | iirc |
| 17:11.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | faster :-P |
| 17:11.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | didn't know about /save though |
| 17:12.19 | r00t|home | ShadowJK: there's a menu option to save on exit and save now |
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| 17:12.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | wut? |
| 17:12.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | where? |
| 17:13.18 | r00t|home | settings -> save settings (on exit [] ) |
| 17:13.21 | r00t|home | settings -> save settings (on exit [] | now) |
| 17:13.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooooh sweet |
| 17:13.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | checks |
| 17:14.07 | r00t|home | i used to have save on exit disabled on my compaq pda, because writing to flash was so slow(?) that xchat would hang for many seconds on exit |
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| 17:14.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't find it in "settings" menu. Do you mean "preferences"? |
| 17:15.22 | r00t|home | note that i am still using xchat1, maybe they removed it from xchat2 |
| 17:15.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 xchat is a tad different than usual laptop xchat |
| 17:15.57 | kerio | not by much, really |
| 17:16.00 | r00t|home | it is at the bottom of the settings menu, on my desktop version |
| 17:16.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | not on N900 |
| 17:16.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 17:16.49 | r00t|home | they moved some entries to "advanced" and removed the "save settings" ones... |
| 17:16.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 17:17.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | they = RST38h |
| 17:17.12 | ShadowJK | I dont have it on desktop xchat here |
| 17:17.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess |
| 17:17.42 | Pali | seems that above ^^^^ C plugin is loaded |
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| 17:22.53 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, how to change irc server port? |
| 17:23.06 | Pali | it trying 9999 |
| 17:23.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: in network settings |
| 17:23.37 | Pali | there is no port settings |
| 17:23.40 | Pali | only server |
| 17:23.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc appending /<port> to server URL |
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| 17:24.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | 9999 ? o.O |
| 17:24.21 | Pali | ok |
| 17:24.26 | Pali | thanks :-) |
| 17:24.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds quite non-standard for IRC |
| 17:24.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, you maybe trying ssl or sth? |
| 17:24.46 | Pali | added /7000 and started connecting |
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| 17:27.38 | Pali_ | nice, connected |
| 17:27.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 17:28.17 | Pali_ | maybe I will push that C sasl plugin to extras |
| 17:28.26 | Pali_ | when extras will work again |
| 17:28.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | good idea |
| 17:29.19 | Pali_ | so when will be autobuilder online? |
| 17:29.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali_: please check new IP if autobuilder is working again |
| 17:29.54 | Pali_ | ok |
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| 17:53.10 | Pali | how to set autojoin to channels in xchat? |
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| 17:54.36 | r00t|home | Pali: in the server list |
| 17:55.01 | r00t|home | or "network list" |
| 17:55.18 | r00t|home | on the "connecting (2)" tab, very intuitive |
| 17:56.01 | Pali | thanks |
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| 17:57.06 | Pali | working |
| 17:57.13 | r00t|home | i guess you have to have used xchat before to know where to look |
| 17:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: or on context menu of chantab list |
| 17:59.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | (only works in tab view, not in treeview) |
| 18:00.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: when you're using my config, click and hold on tab on left side |
| 18:00.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed convenient |
| 18:00.35 | kerio | i think i never tried tab view on the n900 |
| 18:01.34 | kerio | ...it's like tree, isn't it |
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| 18:02.23 | Pali | it is possible to change background color of line? |
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| 18:02.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, it's somehow consuming more real estate due to frame around each tab, and is has no treeview |
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| 18:03.02 | kerio | i think i'll go with hidden tabs actually |
| 18:03.04 | kerio | moar space for text |
| 18:03.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it has context menu |
| 18:03.11 | kerio | hell, i could show the userlist |
| 18:03.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is why I use it |
| 18:03.19 | kerio | it never does any good though |
| 18:03.26 | kerio | context menu for what? |
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| 18:04.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | to add to favorites, to enable/disable join/quit/nick events, etc |
| 18:05.02 | kerio | favourites are meaningless for me, anyway |
| 18:05.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | same here ;-) |
| 18:05.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks ZNC |
| 18:05.27 | kerio | there's just znc's joined, stickied channels that are attached, and znc's joined, stickied channels that aren't attached |
| 18:05.32 | kerio | but will attach on the first message |
| 18:06.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhum, well here ZNC always makes xchat join all channels, probbaly due to buffer playback |
| 18:06.54 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: with autoattach? |
| 18:07.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: |
| 18:07.08 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: /znc detach * |
| 18:07.10 | kerio | :D |
| 18:07.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | i rarely look at my ZNC settings |
| 18:07.22 | kerio | there's no way to undo that, though |
| 18:07.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's ZNC stickychan module |
| 18:08.05 | kerio | stickychan will keep you in channels |
| 18:08.07 | kerio | but will let you detach |
| 18:08.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 18:08.19 | kerio | it's more that you can't actually part them on the server side |
| 18:08.36 | Pali | when I'm closing xchat it ask me for minimalize... what it is? |
| 18:08.44 | kerio | Pali: something that doesn't really work on the n900 |
| 18:09.02 | kerio | unless you install the freedesktop-compatible status tray status menu applet |
| 18:09.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | which you probably don't want to |
| 18:09.26 | Pali | I saw some dead process |
| 18:09.41 | kerio | well, it's just one extra button in the status menu |
| 18:09.49 | Pali | but next start it will load new instance... |
| 18:10.05 | kerio | has *eight* entries already |
| 18:10.16 | Pali | it should work like other hildon launcher apps |
| 18:10.34 | Pali | it will check via dbus if app running |
| 18:10.42 | Pali | and if not it will spawn it |
| 18:10.54 | Pali | if yes show main window |
| 18:11.09 | Pali | and libosso has wrappers for that... |
| 18:11.11 | kerio | plus the hidden flashlight, fmtx, bt audio status, usb mode, bt transfer, sync status |
| 18:11.18 | kerio | i need a bigger status menu D: |
| 18:12.18 | Pali | kerio, if somebody rewrite nokia usb plugin I'd like to merge it with my usbmode |
| 18:12.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: nfc, I never actually use it. Xchat running here basically all the time. When I close it, I really close it. then I eventually have to click my desktop shortcut to start it again |
| 18:12.41 | kerio | Pali: isn't it vaguely more logical to merge it with the battery status, though? |
| 18:12.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | (xchat) |
| 18:13.00 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but you're cheating, you use a bouncer :) |
| 18:13.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't during first maybe 6 months |
| 18:13.59 | Pali | what is bouncer? |
| 18:14.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and mostly I changed to bouncer to save other users in all channels from the frequent re-joining events |
| 18:14.13 | kerio | Pali: something to cheat at #idlerpg |
| 18:14.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: e.g. ZNC is a IRC bouncer |
| 18:14.38 | kerio | and also to get 24/7 irc logs |
| 18:14.57 | kerio | your bouncer connects to IRC, you connect to your bouncer as if it's the IRC server |
| 18:15.06 | kerio | it keeps the connection open and the channels joined |
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| 18:15.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | so basically a proxy |
| 18:15.17 | Pali | ok |
| 18:15.21 | kerio | usually does stuff like replaying the messages you missed from the channels you're in |
| 18:15.29 | kerio | and some more neat stuff too |
| 18:15.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: you ever see DocScrutinizer51 leaving/joining? |
| 18:16.08 | Pali | no |
| 18:16.19 | kerio | it's because doc has NO LIFE |
| 18:16.30 | Pali | :D:D |
| 18:16.33 | kerio | or possibly because it's actually a bouncer |
| 18:16.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's because I have proxies :-P |
| 18:17.39 | Pali | but then I do not see when you are connected... |
| 18:17.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm always connected - simple as that |
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| 18:19.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | just that IRC messages sometimes are not buffered in xchat buffer when I'm not watching |
| 18:20.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | but they are buffered anyway, and when I start watching again, they are presented to me no matter what |
| 18:21.09 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, but I do not know when you read messages... |
| 18:21.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | you never know |
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| 18:21.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | do I know if you're looking at your screen this moment? No I don't |
| 18:21.53 | Pali | and I do not know if you can repoly or not... |
| 18:22.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | but with me using a bouncer you can be sure I'll notice anything you post the next time I look at my screen |
| 18:23.07 | Pali | but when I'm offline, then I'm not reading messages for sure |
| 18:23.50 | Pali | and bouncer disable this condition |
| 18:24.05 | kerio | Pali: yeah but doc *will* read every message eventually |
| 18:24.48 | kerio | besides, i'm not sure if doc uses it but znc has a module called simple_away that sets your away status to "away" if no client is connected |
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| 18:30.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not using that, for vaious reasons: a) it's a privacy issue to me, b) it generally sucks, particularly when changing your nick or - worse - sending away msg |
| 18:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | c) other considerations of more the technical kind |
| 18:31.18 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: not changing your nick |
| 18:31.21 | kerio | changing the away status |
| 18:31.30 | kerio | there *is* such a thing in IRC |
| 18:31.32 | kerio | :) |
| 18:31.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know |
| 18:32.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | it frequently makes me angry when I query somebody who forgot to reset his away status |
| 18:32.26 | kerio | gregoa: ping |
| 18:32.27 | gregoa | kerio: You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. |
| 18:32.30 | kerio | or ^this |
| 18:32.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is more usual than not to forget it |
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| 19:20.13 | fastlane` | is: |
| 19:20.18 | fastlane` | lshal|grep battery |
| 19:20.21 | fastlane` | reliable? |
| 19:21.04 | fastlane` | cuz i got a battery full msg, but bettery.charge_level.percentage is showing 43 |
| 19:21.55 | WizardNumberNext | fastlane: what is voltage and current_now? |
| 19:23.15 | WizardNumberNext | and what is your charge_full and charge_now? |
| 19:23.26 | fastlane` | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.26 | fastlane` | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.49 | WizardNumberNext | is it on charger or something? |
| 19:23.58 | WizardNumberNext | I never got so high voltage |
| 19:24.21 | SpeedEvil | lithium ion will be fully charged at that |
| 19:24.28 | SpeedEvil | a minimum of 80% |
| 19:24.41 | WizardNumberNext | even when current_now was very close to zero and still on minus |
| 19:24.49 | fastlane` | connected to laptop |
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| 19:25.21 | WizardNumberNext | this would explain it - slow charge allowed it to surpass magical 4.166v |
| 19:26.08 | fastlane` | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1517786/ |
| 19:27.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | fastlane`: no, lshal is not exactly reliable, it often has huge delay to update values |
| 19:27.29 | WizardNumberNext | fastlane: cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/uevent |
| 19:27.38 | fastlane` | checking |
| 19:28.16 | WizardNumberNext | if you do not have file, then modprobe bq27x00-battery |
| 19:29.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, bq27x00-battery module is of unclear status at best |
| 19:29.28 | fastlane` | /sys/class doesnt have any power_supply in it |
| 19:29.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | for older powerkernels it's even STRONGLY deprecated |
| 19:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | use bq27200.sh |
| 19:29.56 | kerio | the bq27k/bq24k kernel modules are still somewhat experimental |
| 19:30.05 | WizardNumberNext | it does work for me on pk-51 |
| 19:30.07 | fastlane` | i'm running powerkernel 50 |
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| 19:30.17 | kerio | run something that uses i2c, like bq27200.sh |
| 19:31.02 | WizardNumberNext | it doesn't lie for me |
| 19:31.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | PK50 should come with bq27x00 module blacklisted afaik, and for a reason |
| 19:31.26 | WizardNumberNext | it is blacklisted |
| 19:31.33 | WizardNumberNext | I load it by /etc/modules |
| 19:31.40 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: nothing loads those automatically |
| 19:31.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | you have read the BIG FAT WARNING? |
| 19:31.59 | WizardNumberNext | where? |
| 19:32.20 | kerio | hm, when installing KP maybe |
| 19:32.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno where, probably on KP49/50 |
| 19:32.35 | WizardNumberNext | normaly I ignore warnings |
| 19:32.46 | kerio | that explains *so* many things |
| 19:33.09 | WizardNumberNext | I have enough experience to live with problems and solve them |
| 19:33.46 | kerio | besides, loading those modules at boot time will royally fuck up with bme |
| 19:33.56 | WizardNumberNext | it will |
| 19:34.03 | WizardNumberNext | I already know it |
| 19:34.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you're in for a real surprise, in former kernels they fucked up I2C locking, this opening race condition resulting in even hw damage. In newer kernels they removed that idiocy, thus bq27x00 module will lock the I2C for that chip, and eventually bme will fail |
| 19:34.25 | WizardNumberNext | n900 would get into end-less loop of rebooting |
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| 19:34.52 | WizardNumberNext | I do not care about BME |
| 19:35.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | n900 might emit blue magic smoke, depending on which I2C communication got messed up, when locking been disabled |
| 19:35.42 | WizardNumberNext | then this explains, why from time I switched to bq27200 instead of BME my N900 doesn't reboot anymore (only dies, when battery reaches 3.2 or bellow) |
| 19:35.50 | fastlane` | is there anything that wud force lshal to update its values |
| 19:35.52 | fastlane` | ? |
| 19:36.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc status battery applet updates hal |
| 19:36.36 | WizardNumberNext | by the way I tried all the scripts to charge battery and check it health state and BME was in a way, even when it was STOPed |
| 19:36.51 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: no it wasn't |
| 19:36.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | eh? |
| 19:37.02 | kerio | bme is harmless, when stopped |
| 19:37.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, when `stop`ed not when `kill -SIGSTOP`ed |
| 19:37.55 | WizardNumberNext | maybe it is harmless, but after few seconds N900 would reboot, no matter what I would do, even I wouls start it back |
| 19:38.15 | kerio | yep, you SIGSTOPped it |
| 19:38.27 | WizardNumberNext | I know how to pause process and how to unpause it - if I don't remember I see into man kill |
| 19:38.33 | kerio | when people say to stop bme, they mean `stop bme` |
| 19:38.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | no you evidently don't |
| 19:38.38 | kerio | aka `initctl stop bme` |
| 19:39.39 | fastlane` | i did a lshal -m |
| 19:39.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | believe me, I also know about kill -SIGSTOP since ~30 years |
| 19:39.53 | WizardNumberNext | anyway I wasn't able to use any of those scripts and now I can see real values and it does charge and discharge properly, not like with BME |
| 19:39.55 | fastlane` | and the voltage.current is changing after every few seconds |
| 19:40.08 | kerio | i, too, know about kill -STOP, but not since ~30 years because i'm not old enough |
| 19:40.09 | fastlane` | minuttes* |
| 19:40.13 | WizardNumberNext | doc are you UNIX user? |
| 19:40.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 19:40.45 | kerio | fastlane`: afaik hald-addon-bme is responsible for updating the data in hal |
| 19:40.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather *NIX admin |
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| 19:41.07 | WizardNumberNext | this explains your old knowledge (doesn't mean bad, just old) |
| 19:41.21 | fastlane` | kerio, that needs to be installed or is it already there, i'm not familiar with it |
| 19:41.35 | kerio | it's stock |
| 19:41.41 | WizardNumberNext | doc, I am not only GNU/Linux user - I am admin as well - have 3 servers under me at the moment |
| 19:42.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need to accept that maemo is a tiny bit different than any sane unix admin would expect |
| 19:42.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes that's annoying, but it doesn't help |
| 19:42.58 | WizardNumberNext | fastlane: bq27200 DEVICE (battery monitor, which is on battery) is updating something like every 60 seconds (not sure about how often) |
| 19:43.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | bme anyway gets started by dsmetool, via initctl |
| 19:43.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | so stopping it makes dsme angry and results in reboot |
| 19:43.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need to shut down the service by issuing `stop bme` |
| 19:43.38 | WizardNumberNext | I already dug it somewhere about dsme and bme |
| 19:43.48 | WizardNumberNext | that explains problems |
| 19:44.24 | WizardNumberNext | there's too much of dependency on low-level |
| 19:44.31 | WizardNumberNext | I would never like |
| 19:44.35 | WizardNumberNext | it |
| 19:44.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | battery is lowlevel :-) |
| 19:45.09 | Pali | bme is not started by dsme |
| 19:45.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually bme is way too "high2 a level for decent battery management |
| 19:45.18 | Pali | but started by upstart |
| 19:45.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: oh? |
| 19:45.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought upstart using dsmetool to start bme |
| 19:45.53 | Pali | there is upstart script which reboot device if bme was not stopped by upstart |
| 19:46.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 19:46.19 | WizardNumberNext | Pali that is very usefull knowledge |
| 19:46.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and there's IPC between dsme and bme to assure bme is alive |
| 19:46.35 | Pali | upstart script touching some file when starting and stopping bme |
| 19:46.47 | Pali | and calling some pre/post scripts |
| 19:46.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you kill -sigstop bme, dsme gets angry |
| 19:47.23 | Pali | and if you kill bme process then prestop script is not called |
| 19:47.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least that's what I seem to recall how things work |
| 19:47.34 | Pali | stopping file is not created |
| 19:47.57 | Pali | and in poststop script is reboot command |
| 19:49.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's all kinda correct when killing bme, not though when sigstopping bme process |
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| 19:49.48 | Pali | stopsig should work |
| 19:50.16 | Pali | upstart should not handle stopsig |
| 19:50.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | kill -sigstop bme causing reboot after 60s |
| 19:50.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | via dsme |
| 19:50.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | try it if you don't believe me |
| 19:52.13 | WizardNumberNext | Pali: he is right - I would always get reboot after "killall -STOP bme_rx-51' |
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| 19:55.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: you're also right, event.d/bme directly calls "exec /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51" |
| 19:55.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | then bme talks to dsme directly via IPC, to enable monitoring watchdog |
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| 20:06.12 | Pali | so then upstart handle also sigstop |
| 20:06.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | you think upstart chatting with bme via IPC? |
| 20:09.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | PPID of bme_rx51 = 1 |
| 20:09.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka init |
| 20:10.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I don't think init is doing watchdog monitoring of bme process |
| 20:12.08 | gregoa | kerio: :) (and (re)setting away should happen automigically, everything else makes no sense) |
| 20:13.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | some years back when investigating how to operate bq24150 chip, we had some strace bme logs, and I think I recall it talking to dsme via a socket |
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| 20:31.58 | WizardNumberNext | I am interested, if there is any use of GPGPU on SGX for/on maemo |
| 20:32.48 | freemangordon | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.05 | WizardNumberNext | yes, I mean something like CUDA |
| 20:33.20 | freemangordon | never heard of anything like that |
| 20:33.39 | WizardNumberNext | TI states in their datasheet for omap34xx, that SGX does have such capability |
| 20:34.02 | freemangordon | why one should need GPU to perform such tasks, when we have DSP |
| 20:34.20 | WizardNumberNext | just matter of curiosity |
| 20:34.31 | kerio | freemangordon: why not? |
| 20:34.35 | freemangordon | which is way more powerful than GPU afaik |
| 20:34.42 | freemangordon | kerio: ^^^ |
| 20:34.45 | kerio | video on dsp, protein folding on sgx |
| 20:34.52 | kerio | pulseaudio on cpu |
| 20:34.56 | freemangordon | kerio: aah, yes :D:D:D |
| 20:35.02 | WizardNumberNext | anyway, can imagine what fine-tuned app could do, when it would be using CPU, DSP and GPGPU at the same damn time? |
| 20:35.25 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: answer: very little that couldn't be done with just dsp and cpu |
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| 20:35.49 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: it seems you have modified your n900 to have a heatsink attached to the Soc :D |
| 20:36.18 | WizardNumberNext | kerio: I do realize, that you can do pretty much everything od DSP, not to mention CPU |
| 20:36.36 | WizardNumberNext | I am thinking about heatsink |
| 20:36.49 | freemangordon | think twice ;) |
| 20:37.44 | WizardNumberNext | but risk of loosing S0C, because of heatsink is rather not appealing |
| 20:39.05 | WizardNumberNext | at the moment I am investigating what frequency is best power-safer |
| 20:39.25 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: 500 |
| 20:39.26 | WizardNumberNext | s/safer/saver/ |
| 20:39.50 | freemangordon | just ask, we'll tell you :) |
| 20:40.08 | WizardNumberNext | freemangordon: it look-like, but remember I have different voltages |
| 20:40.24 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: also having the default voltages is safer |
| 20:40.39 | freemangordon | wonders why vi____ is so quiet these days and hopes everything is fine with him |
| 20:40.40 | WizardNumberNext | and at the moment I cannot tell you, because I wait half hour for results for 600MHz |
| 20:42.49 | WizardNumberNext | kerio: default voltage for 600MHz is 1.35v, I am running 1.1125v |
| 20:42.57 | WizardNumberNext | and TI states 1.2v |
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| 20:43.27 | kerio | i'm sure that the .24v of difference will make your battery life tenfold |
| 20:44.05 | WizardNumberNext | definitely not, but still would extend it |
| 20:44.33 | WizardNumberNext | it is 10% more then starving |
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| 20:45.11 | WizardNumberNext | I have tried 5% more and 7.5% percent more, but both turned out to be unstable |
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| 20:58.44 | WizardNumberNext | freemangordon: disagree with 500MHz! |
| 20:58.51 | WizardNumberNext | Used: 70329 uAh, Average load: 208800 uA at 600 MHz |
| 20:59.02 | WizardNumberNext | Used: 72114 uAh, Average load: 216000 uA at 500 MHz |
| 20:59.21 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: depends on the load |
| 20:59.31 | freemangordon | what did you use to test that? |
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| 20:59.56 | WizardNumberNext | I fixed frequency 'cpufreq-set -d 500000 -u 500000' and 'cpufreq-set -d 600000 -u 600001' |
| 21:00.09 | WizardNumberNext | just left it alone and see how much it would use |
| 21:00.24 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: ever heard of kernel-power-settings? |
| 21:00.38 | WizardNumberNext | 3G, BT, 802.11 - all on, connected to 802.11 |
| 21:00.42 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: sorry, but that is nonsense |
| 21:01.01 | freemangordon | locking the governor does not mean the device does not enter C0 state |
| 21:01.24 | freemangordon | measuring idle current means nothing |
| 21:01.25 | WizardNumberNext | I do use kernel-power-settings, but when I need it only for while, then it is much easier for me to use cpufreq-set |
| 21:01.28 | kerio | you should check with powertop i think |
| 21:01.49 | WizardNumberNext | powertop ? |
| 21:02.17 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: `kernel-config lock 500` and `kernel-config lock 600` |
| 21:02.25 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: yes, powertop. and you should do your measurements under 100% CPU load, not on idle |
| 21:02.36 | WizardNumberNext | freemangordon - that is what I want to see - on which frequency I would use less power - considering sleep and off states |
| 21:02.38 | freemangordon | one and the same task |
| 21:02.49 | kerio | it makes sense that locking at 600 while idling uses less power, it's faster to go back to idle |
| 21:02.54 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: try 250 ;) |
| 21:03.19 | WizardNumberNext | thanks - been there - it takes most of energy |
| 21:03.20 | Apic | When the Fuck will Nokia release Ovi Maps with Voice-Guided-Navigation like they promised for Years? |
| 21:03.31 | kerio | Apic: ...wat |
| 21:03.34 | Apic | (Didn't check if they actually did, I assume not) |
| 21:03.43 | WizardNumberNext | I am confirming 600MHz at the monent - 30minutes till end |
| 21:03.44 | freemangordon | Apic: but, but, they did it |
| 21:03.45 | kerio | they never promised that, and they never will |
| 21:03.55 | kerio | (on n900) |
| 21:03.57 | freemangordon | kerio: come on, they did it. on HARM :P |
| 21:03.58 | Apic | freemangordon: Ok. Where can I leech the current Ovi Maps? |
| 21:04.08 | Apic | kerio: B-( |
| 21:04.10 | kerio | Apic: i hope your N9 emulator is fast enough |
| 21:04.33 | Apic | Is there one for N900? |
| 21:04.53 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: also you should perform your test in offline mode |
| 21:05.05 | Apic | You probably were joking, right? |
| 21:05.06 | WizardNumberNext | I would like to see maps with voice guidance as well |
| 21:05.11 | freemangordon | as you can never know what is going on with radios |
| 21:05.19 | WizardNumberNext | I am going to, but not today |
| 21:05.22 | freemangordon | Apic: yes |
| 21:05.26 | kerio | Apic: if you want a gps with voice navigation, try modrana |
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| 21:05.33 | freemangordon | or MM10 |
| 21:05.41 | kerio | or, well, there's sygic |
| 21:05.44 | kerio | but the sygic maps are outdated |
| 21:05.46 | Apic | kerio: Is this in the Program Manager or extras-devel? |
| 21:05.59 | Apic | (modrana) |
| 21:06.02 | kerio | extras-devel is a repository in HAM |
| 21:06.31 | Apic | HAM? |
| 21:06.48 | kerio | application manager |
| 21:06.58 | kerio | as in, the stock Application Manager |
| 21:07.02 | Apic | k |
| 21:07.22 | Apic | So is modrana listed there or do I need to google? |
| 21:07.24 | WizardNumberNext | freemangordon: I do know enough about 802.11 - I control server-side of it and I ping N900 every 0.2s |
| 21:07.33 | kerio | it's in extras-devel, yes |
| 21:07.35 | Apic | thx |
| 21:07.47 | kerio | it requires a data connection ofc |
| 21:08.05 | kerio | but there's a way to predownload map tiles and routing data |
| 21:08.27 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: your test is flawed, if you want results for CPU (and CPU only) you should perform it when device is in offline, with screen off |
| 21:09.00 | Apic | kerio: ofc? |
| 21:09.09 | kerio | of course |
| 21:09.13 | Apic | kthx |
| 21:09.17 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: otherwise you measure the current drown from radios and whatnot |
| 21:09.32 | WizardNumberNext | my test is running for 20 minutes - that is to get something like average results |
| 21:09.42 | freemangordon | does not matter |
| 21:09.54 | WizardNumberNext | I actually read bq27200 twice - on start and on end |
| 21:10.13 | freemangordon | as you don;t know what happens with your MNO cells aound |
| 21:10.18 | WizardNumberNext | and it is for real case scenario, not perfected one |
| 21:10.56 | WizardNumberNext | oh, 3 in UK have quite good cells (at least around London |
| 21:11.13 | WizardNumberNext | and I do not even touch mobile, so cells aren't moving |
| 21:11.31 | freemangordon | not to say that you have NFC what your neighbour's wifi AP is doing |
| 21:11.48 | WizardNumberNext | NFC? |
| 21:11.49 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: as you wish :) |
| 21:11.53 | freemangordon | ~nfc |
| 21:11.53 | infobot | hmm... nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications |
| 21:12.08 | WizardNumberNext | I am going to run perfected test, but it is not for today |
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| 21:13.24 | WizardNumberNext | I really do not care about neighbours' APs as I my AP is rawly 30cm away from mobile and its signal is such strong that for 500m I do not even see that I am getting away from it |
| 21:13.27 | spoofy | Hi :) I upload the new nmap > http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1313269#post1313269 please test it! |
| 21:14.13 | WizardNumberNext | I am actually stronger on every channel, then any AP around |
| 21:14.27 | WizardNumberNext | I sit right in the middle of spectrum |
| 21:15.21 | WizardNumberNext | if somebody around wants some channel without my noise then s/he have to go to channel 14 |
| 21:15.33 | kerio | well, not really |
| 21:15.48 | kerio | 1, 6 and 11 are supposed to not touch each other |
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| 21:17.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | WizardNumberNext: that's a pretty nasty config for WLAN, since probably your neighbours are doing same, and in the end everybody is losing on this loss/loss situations since you can't crank up the TX power of e.g. N900 to reach 500m distance |
| 21:17.56 | WizardNumberNext | kerio actually channel 1 reaches channel 6 |
| 21:18.03 | WizardNumberNext | next free is 7 |
| 21:18.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you got either crappy TX or crapy filter on RX |
| 21:18.49 | WizardNumberNext | but I have 802.11n card, so channel 1 would reach channel 8 |
| 21:18.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | sidebands should be max 3 channels |
| 21:19.07 | kerio | nope, 1 is actually -1 to 3, 6 is 4 to 8, 11 is 9 to 13 |
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| 21:19.47 | WizardNumberNext | actually they are 20MHz so 6 is creating noise on 2-5 and 7-10, but some small amount of noise is getting even on 1 and 11 |
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| 21:20.47 | WizardNumberNext | and 802.11n is 40MHz |
| 21:21.07 | WizardNumberNext | but this is actually two 20Mhz (eg 1 and 3) |
| 21:21.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway ramping up AP TX lvl doesn't help anything |
| 21:21.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | using a good antenna with a lot of gain might |
| 21:22.35 | WizardNumberNext | and I do not care about neighbours as their APs are preventing me from using 802.11n and I have to stick to 802.3ab (1gbp ethernet) |
| 21:22.56 | WizardNumberNext | I have good card and good antenna |
| 21:23.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for evaluating power consumption, WLAN is one of your minor problems, unless NOT associated or NOT on a AP with proper powersaving |
| 21:23.03 | WizardNumberNext | it adds up to 2W |
| 21:23.31 | WizardNumberNext | I switched off power-safing - it was cutting my ssh sessions |
| 21:23.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | then your AP is crap |
| 21:24.04 | WizardNumberNext | no, my AP have power-saving off as well |
| 21:24.16 | WizardNumberNext | it is on ALPHA card |
| 21:24.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it will cause quite severe power consumption on N900 WLAN *RX* |
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| 21:24.43 | freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: turning power saving on n900 off is a very bad idea |
| 21:24.50 | WizardNumberNext | sorry ALFA |
| 21:24.56 | freemangordon | your battery will be flat in 6-8 hours |
| 21:25.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I meant your AP powersaving which is crap when it causes N900 to lose ssh sessions |
| 21:25.19 | Pali | http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/qt-components/2013-January/000126.html |
| 21:25.24 | WizardNumberNext | I have no power-saving of any kind for AP |
| 21:25.34 | kerio | yep, which is awful |
| 21:25.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | WLAN RX either goes to sleep 99% of time due to proper AP-controlled powersaving, or it will eat several 100mW |
| 21:25.40 | Pali | jolla, ubuntu and plasma kde want to create one qml api |
| 21:25.42 | WizardNumberNext | it is swithced off by default on kernel and not switched on in hostapd confing |
| 21:25.52 | freemangordon | Pali: yeah |
| 21:26.11 | freemangordon | saw it on TMO, sounds too good to be true :D |
| 21:26.21 | xes | my opinion is first of all saty away from channel 1 and 14 because very often the RF module cuts of that channels.. |
| 21:26.24 | Pali | I do not belive to that |
| 21:26.44 | Pali | something like *official* nokia support for meggo on n900... |
| 21:26.50 | freemangordon | :D:D:D |
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| 21:27.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | WizardNumberNext: lemme put it this way, so maybe to make my point: WLAN will consume *most* power when NOT associated to any AP |
| 21:27.15 | freemangordon | yep. and jolla said they'll "support" sailfish on n900 :D |
| 21:27.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW while searching/scanning |
| 21:27.48 | WizardNumberNext | so it is good, that I turn it off, while I am not home |
| 21:27.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | IYOW while RX enabled 100% of time |
| 21:27.51 | Pali | same people said same... |
| 21:28.07 | freemangordon | Pali: said? it is somehow official |
| 21:28.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | proper powersave enabled on AP makes N900 WLAN RX go to sleep 99.x% of the time |
| 21:28.44 | Pali | nokia said that they was doing on official meego support fot n900 |
| 21:28.56 | Pali | there was nokia team for that |
| 21:28.56 | WizardNumberNext | ld turn on powerr-saving on my APs and turn it on on N900 as well? |
| 21:29.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | crappy powersave may still do that, but causes loss of data |
| 21:29.21 | freemangordon | Pali: http://hildonfoundation.org/open-letter-from-the-hildon-foundation-to-jolla/#comment-58 |
| 21:29.23 | Pali | and what they done? nothing (-boot-)useable |
| 21:29.30 | WizardNumberNext | I run some recent kerlnel |
| 21:29.37 | WizardNumberNext | someting like 3.5 or 3.6 |
| 21:29.47 | WizardNumberNext | and I am going to 3.7.1 soon |
| 21:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | WizardNumberNext: WLAN PSM is a protocol, where AP negotiates periods of suspend with clients |
| 21:30.23 | WizardNumberNext | but I would need to reboot server, and then I would change power supply, as this one is barely asble to supply my 11 HDDs |
| 21:30.45 | WizardNumberNext | and that is why it doesn't work with my APs |
| 21:30.46 | freemangordon | Pali: well, lets see. TBH once we have a descent and recent kernel, we will be able to choose who to support :P |
| 21:30.57 | WizardNumberNext | cause it is switched off in my kernel |
| 21:30.58 | kerio | what about an ascent kernel? |
| 21:31.01 | Apic | kerio: modRana rocks, thank You! |
| 21:31.09 | freemangordon | Pali: btw did you see h-d on arch? |
| 21:31.22 | Pali | I saw screenshot |
| 21:31.25 | freemangordon | yep |
| 21:31.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | WizardNumberNext: however, for GSM/UMTS, you got no control over similar powersaving methods, and afaik even inbound pings that are blocked by your TCP-IP stack still make the GSM modem enter TX mode to ack the ping data packet |
| 21:31.43 | freemangordon | not sure if it is on the device or in qemu, but still |
| 21:31.48 | Pali | but I'd rather see debian/ubuntu with h-d |
| 21:32.10 | freemangordon | Pali: you want gtk3? |
| 21:32.19 | WizardNumberNext | I agree with last statement about GSM/UMTS |
| 21:32.26 | Pali | I do not need gtk3 |
| 21:32.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: usually mobile operators block inbound connections |
| 21:32.49 | freemangordon | Pali: both debian and ubuntu are on gtk3 |
| 21:32.52 | kerio | possibly for that reason, too |
| 21:32.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | WizardNumberNext: so while you're on GSM/UMTS you have NFC what's going on with power consumption of modem, no matter what you do to your online settings |
| 21:33.02 | Pali | maemo gtk has a lot of patches for better touch input widgets |
| 21:33.08 | Pali | ubuntu still has both gtk |
| 21:33.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: some do, some do not |
| 21:33.13 | kerio | :o |
| 21:33.15 | freemangordon | Pali: do they? |
| 21:33.17 | Pali | you can install both gtk on ubuntu |
| 21:33.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems in Finland they usually do not |
| 21:33.26 | kerio | there are operators that give you a real IP? |
| 21:33.34 | freemangordon | great. so, what is stopping us? |
| 21:33.40 | freemangordon | (esides the kernel) |
| 21:33.41 | Pali | you can still compiled any application against gtk2 on ubuntu (if you want) |
| 21:33.47 | Pali | time :D |
| 21:33.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: yep |
| 21:33.49 | WizardNumberNext | ok, then modem is going to be off on next test and I would rerun all test again |
| 21:33.56 | freemangordon | Pali: yeah, I know :( |
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| 21:35.44 | kerio | ofc at 100% cpu 600mhz is going to use more power than 500mhz |
| 21:36.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: there are 3G-wireless "DSL" routers now, which have ethernet connection and claim to be a complete substitute for your wired internet connection |
| 21:36.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you bet carriers need to allow inbound traffic for those |
| 21:37.05 | kerio | of course they don't |
| 21:37.25 | kerio | you can access the google and the youtube and the pr0n |
| 21:37.31 | kerio | that's the whole internets |
| 21:37.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you can't skype etc for example |
| 21:38.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | if inbound traffic got completely blocked |
| 21:38.13 | kerio | of course you can skype |
| 21:38.25 | kerio | skype prides itself in being 100% working even behind NATs |
| 21:39.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and those internet accounts nowadays come with (SIP-alike) NGN 'wired' landline phone service |
| 21:39.13 | kerio | (by no inbound i mean that only ESTABLISHED or RELATED stuff can get in) |
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| 21:40.04 | grummund | has sip working on the n900 |
| 21:40.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, whatever. Ask our north-western friends, they have real IP and ssh to their N900 via 3G |
| 21:40.43 | kerio | oh, i believe you |
| 21:41.22 | kerio | it's just not necessarily true everywhere, even for those umts hotspots |
| 21:41.37 | grummund | problem was with sipgate not routing so i tried my voipfone account and it works |
| 21:42.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got sipgate working on N900 since years |
| 21:43.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ bbl |
| 21:43.55 | grummund | o/ |
| 21:44.53 | kerio | \o |
| 21:46.39 | yigal | \j math |
| 21:46.48 | yigal | oops |
| 21:47.18 | Apic | B-P |
| 21:47.28 | grummund | i'm using the usb-powerjack cable with an old nokia wall cube but it's not charging. |
| 21:48.22 | WizardNumberNext | grummund do you mean CA-146C? |
| 21:48.47 | grummund | yes |
| 21:48.55 | WizardNumberNext | and by wall cube do you mean AC-3X? |
| 21:49.34 | WizardNumberNext | bad news - it doesn't work for me |
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| 21:49.44 | grummund | ACP-7X |
| 21:50.02 | WizardNumberNext | what is current? voltage? |
| 21:50.54 | grummund | measured with a voltmeter? |
| 21:51.34 | WizardNumberNext | if you have problem with charging you can use any REAL 5V (absolute max is rawly 8V) charger - hook it up with usb-micro-ab and short-out D+ and D- cables (white and green) |
| 21:51.40 | WizardNumberNext | yes |
| 21:51.49 | kerio | grummund: if D+/- isn't shorted, the n900 is assuming that it's a real usb host |
| 21:51.51 | WizardNumberNext | or what charger states |
| 21:51.53 | kerio | that's not responding |
| 21:51.59 | kerio | so it'll do nothing |
| 21:52.22 | WizardNumberNext | kerio - I had no charger for 2 weeks and I was charging that way |
| 21:52.43 | WizardNumberNext | oh, I know what you mean |
| 21:52.45 | grummund | it says 3.7V out |
| 21:53.08 | WizardNumberNext | should be working, but not entariely sure about it |
| 21:53.11 | WizardNumberNext | bit low |
| 21:53.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | max USB VBUS is 6V |
| 21:53.46 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: shouldn't it be 5V all day erry day? |
| 21:53.50 | WizardNumberNext | but you won't ever charge battery that way - charged battery is between 4.1 and 4.2 |
| 21:54.18 | kerio | or do the specs have a required tolerance? |
| 21:54.57 | WizardNumberNext | I have seen isp1707 and bq2415x datasheet and agree with kerio - 6V is absolute max |
| 21:55.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | you need at least 4V5 to charge |
| 21:55.17 | WizardNumberNext | regulators on a way |
| 21:55.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: ABS MAX is about tolerance, yes |
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| 21:56.31 | WizardNumberNext | AC-3X is actually giving out 8-9V and it was charging on it |
| 21:56.43 | WizardNumberNext | and AC-8X is giving 1v less |
| 21:56.47 | WizardNumberNext | same - charging |
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| 21:57.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't matter, it mage kill your device |
| 21:57.14 | WizardNumberNext | w/ and w/o CA-146C |
| 21:57.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | may* |
| 21:57.24 | grummund | it starts charging then craps out after a few seconds so i guess the n900 is just too much load |
| 21:57.52 | WizardNumberNext | 3.7v is not enough even for plain battery |
| 21:58.01 | WizardNumberNext | where did you get such charger? |
| 21:58.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | ca-146 worked for me down to ~4V |
| 21:58.40 | WizardNumberNext | that is supprising, because afaik ca-146c contains some regulator as well |
| 21:59.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | it contains a switched regulator |
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| 21:59.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | which seems to do step-up |
| 21:59.48 | WizardNumberNext | as most regulators of out time |
| 21:59.57 | grummund | aha. works with a ACP-12X wall cube :) |
| 22:00.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | or at least no voltage drop |
| 22:00.57 | WizardNumberNext | it might step-up/down because it gets hot on AC-8X |
| 22:01.24 | WizardNumberNext | do not know ACP-12X |
| 22:01.26 | grummund | 5.7V |
| 22:01.34 | WizardNumberNext | what is its current? |
| 22:01.50 | WizardNumberNext | id it is bigger then 1250mA, then do not use it |
| 22:02.07 | grummund | 800mA |
| 22:02.13 | WizardNumberNext | bq2415x cannot cope with anything bigger, then 1250mA |
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| 22:02.22 | WizardNumberNext | 800mA is fine |
| 22:02.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | current doesn't matter at all |
| 22:02.28 | kerio | ...wat |
| 22:02.35 | kerio | indeed, what doc said |
| 22:02.53 | kerio | it might never going to use more than 1250mA, but that's irrelevant |
| 22:03.00 | WizardNumberNext | DocScrutinizer51: it does! datasheet spec it is absolute max |
| 22:03.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | shouldn't be LESS than 800mA |
| 22:03.37 | grummund | yeah makes sense |
| 22:03.39 | WizardNumberNext | kerio: I think that bq2415x isn't regulating any current as such - battery does it by itself |
| 22:03.52 | kerio | well, you think wrong |
| 22:03.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | bullshit |
| 22:03.58 | kerio | the battery does very little |
| 22:04.08 | WizardNumberNext | shouldn't be less, because otherwise you won't give enough for battery |
| 22:04.25 | WizardNumberNext | every battery regulates its own current |
| 22:04.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | orly? |
| 22:04.42 | WizardNumberNext | on complately flat battery it is biggest current |
| 22:04.55 | WizardNumberNext | its almost disappears, when battery is full |
| 22:05.07 | kerio | that's bme or a substitute, telling bq24k to charge with less current |
| 22:05.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | idly wonders what's CCCV then |
| 22:05.38 | WizardNumberNext | I tried to explode one battery long time ago |
| 22:05.45 | WizardNumberNext | could not achieve that |
| 22:06.02 | kerio | clearly, that means that every battery has a protection circuit |
| 22:06.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | warning! don't argue with EE ;-) |
| 22:06.06 | WizardNumberNext | current dropped to something like 5mA and it never even got warmer |
| 22:07.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~batteryfaq |
| 22:07.16 | infobot | somebody said batteryfaq was http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers |
| 22:07.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~joerg |
| 22:07.28 | infobot | it has been said that joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer |
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| 22:07.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: don't BL-5Js have some kind of protective circuit, anyway? |
| 22:08.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes, supposed to have |
| 22:08.20 | WizardNumberNext | look DocScrutinizer51 I work with batteries - at the moment I am setting up biggest domestic Solar Panel installation in UK with 131KW worth of batteries |
| 22:08.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | OMG |
| 22:08.46 | WizardNumberNext | where this circuitry is? |
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| 22:08.55 | WizardNumberNext | whis to know |
| 22:09.11 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: it's bq24k that regulates the current to the battery though, srsly |
| 22:09.19 | WizardNumberNext | cause I have one BL-5J which was poorly soldered and top simply fell off |
| 22:09.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | that top is the protective circuit |
| 22:09.51 | WizardNumberNext | then it wopuld be running seriously hot |
| 22:09.54 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: hm, an original one? |
| 22:09.57 | jon_y | my n900 screen is b0rked, not receiving any presses, but strangely allows drags |
| 22:10.07 | jon_y | anybody know what is the issue? |
| 22:10.12 | kerio | jon_y: reboot |
| 22:10.12 | WizardNumberNext | an original one with hologram and made in hungary |
| 22:10.24 | jon_y | kerio: already |
| 22:10.47 | jon_y | alarm screen woke me up this morning and refused to stop :| |
| 22:10.48 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: the hologram is like the bare minimum for imitation BL-5Js |
| 22:11.27 | kerio | jon_y: weird issue, have you tried reflashing (after making a backup ofc) |
| 22:11.29 | WizardNumberNext | wait I would look for top of it - have it somewhere on desktop - would get back to you next week, when I would find |
| 22:11.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: could you share the URL to my people.openmoko.org/joerg document about battery? |
| 22:11.31 | WizardNumberNext | it |
| 22:11.53 | jon_y | kerio: well, not sure how to backup, but I'm OK with flashing |
| 22:11.58 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: the pdf? |
| 22:11.59 | kerio | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/PACK950925.pdf |
| 22:12.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep, thanks |
| 22:12.37 | WizardNumberNext | I would check if it have bq27200 on it - if it does, then it would more alike like genuine nokia |
| 22:12.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: wtf, the engrish |
| 22:13.01 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: bq27k is in the n900 |
| 22:13.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | enZish |
| 22:13.11 | kerio | it's not on the battery, even though it should be |
| 22:13.21 | jon_y | kerio: could it possibly be hardware issue? |
| 22:13.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
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| 22:13.44 | kerio | jon_y: hm, it doesn't feel likely |
| 22:13.51 | kerio | if drags are correctly reported... |
| 22:13.52 | jon_y | hopefully not, warranty probably void |
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| 22:14.04 | kerio | jon_y: have you tried the screen calibration, in Settings? |
| 22:14.22 | Apic | Good Night! |
| 22:14.26 | jon_y | I can't seem to reach it with the alarm keep poping up |
| 22:14.38 | jon_y | and inability to open the app menu |
| 22:14.45 | kerio | jon_y: have you got ssh? |
| 22:15.08 | jon_y | yeah, but it is off by default :( |
| 22:15.25 | kerio | have you got backupmenu installed? |
| 22:15.33 | jon_y | no |
| 22:15.57 | kerio | and no CSSU either... :s |
| 22:16.02 | kerio | *why*? |
| 22:16.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | then you're probably pretty much back to flashing |
| 22:16.16 | jon_y | it is cssu |
| 22:16.22 | kerio | jon_y: it's clearly not cssu |
| 22:16.33 | kerio | because the instructions to install cssu report "install backupmenu and do a backup" as the first step ever |
| 22:16.56 | jon_y | well, the odd thing is that buttons get colored when presseed |
| 22:17.07 | jon_y | kerio: dunno , but I don't think it was a hard dep |
| 22:17.22 | kerio | jon_y: and look at where we are now |
| 22:17.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | might be hw defect of digitizer |
| 22:17.41 | jon_y | besides, cssu was installed for quite some time already |
| 22:17.42 | kerio | me slightly tired watching youtube videos, and you with an impossibility to properly diagnose without losing all of your data |
| 22:17.57 | kerio | or possibly a tiny bit of your data |
| 22:17.59 | kerio | BUT STILL |
| 22:18.16 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: not reporting pen-on but reporting drags? |
| 22:18.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 22:18.40 | kerio | i didn't know it was possible |
| 22:18.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | short |
| 22:19.16 | WizardNumberNext | kerio: I am pretty sure bq27k is on batteries as I got different reading with different batteries |
| 22:19.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway reflash is your only option |
| 22:19.36 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: you've been pretty sure about a wide variety of topics |
| 22:19.51 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer51: ok |
| 22:19.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | WizardNumberNext: nope it's not |
| 22:20.00 | WizardNumberNext | but I am getting different readings for different batteries |
| 22:20.05 | kerio | readings of what? |
| 22:20.13 | WizardNumberNext | charge_full_now |
| 22:20.22 | kerio | that's fake, anyway |
| 22:20.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's bogus |
| 22:20.31 | kerio | until you do a full calibration |
| 22:20.44 | kerio | (after the calibration it's quite precise, though) |
| 22:20.48 | WizardNumberNext | I did on two batteries and two are reporting different one |
| 22:21.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's bogus!! |
| 22:21.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | made up by bme |
| 22:21.24 | kerio | oh right, he's talking about the HAL data |
| 22:21.32 | kerio | yep, bme-provided bullshit |
| 22:21.33 | WizardNumberNext | maybe |
| 22:21.41 | jon_y | btw, doesn't the alarm thing close by itself if not pressed in time? |
| 22:21.53 | kerio | jon_y: idk, i always turn it off :) |
| 22:22.16 | WizardNumberNext | jon_y: N95 it was one hour - have no idea about N900 |
| 22:22.24 | jon_y | I remember it hides itself if you don't press it fast enough when you wake up |
| 22:22.38 | jon_y | it will start ringing again after 10 minutes iirc |
| 22:22.55 | jon_y | I noticed that the alarm app wasn't hiding itself anymore |
| 22:23.04 | jon_y | I thought it was a hang initially |
| 22:23.04 | WizardNumberNext | so it is different from N95 |
| 22:23.08 | kerio | jon_y: install alarmclient, `alarmclient -c` |
| 22:23.30 | jon_y | kerio: yeah, after a reflash |
| 22:23.49 | kerio | it won't be necessary, after a reflash |
| 22:24.04 | jon_y | ? |
| 22:24.31 | kerio | alarmd stuff doesn't persist through reflashes |
| 22:24.56 | jon_y | ok |
| 22:27.48 | WizardNumberNext | what does persist apart from security lock? |
| 22:29.03 | kerio | depends on what you flash |
| 22:29.10 | kerio | CAL isn't flashed over |
| 22:30.44 | WizardNumberNext | lets say I would do full-flash with MMC and full flash contents |
| 22:31.23 | kerio | only the data in CAL remains, i suppose |
| 22:31.32 | WizardNumberNext | CAL? what's that? |
| 22:31.34 | grummund | wants to live with the n900 for a while before reflashing it |
| 22:32.05 | kerio | WizardNumberNext: /dev/mtd1 |
| 22:32.36 | kerio | mtd-friendly, proprietary-ish format for storing strings, pretty much |
| 22:33.13 | WizardNumberNext | wants to never flash n900 |
| 22:33.43 | grummund | you still have the original firmware? |
| 22:33.43 | WizardNumberNext | have back of all mts partitions |
| 22:33.57 | WizardNumberNext | never flashed it |
| 22:34.17 | WizardNumberNext | but I already have CSSU and load of other stuff on top of it |
| 22:34.26 | jon_y | btw, where is fmms data? |
| 22:34.32 | jon_y | ~/.fmms? |
| 22:34.58 | WizardNumberNext | I have seen it somewhere, but I got pissed off with MMS connection |
| 22:35.16 | WizardNumberNext | so cannot tell you now - in the end I got rid of fmms |
| 22:35.23 | jon_y | I just choose havoc mode, receives mms all the time |
| 22:35.46 | WizardNumberNext | so it does work? |
| 22:35.51 | jon_y | yes |
| 22:35.56 | jon_y | I have no idea about sending though, since I don't normally send |
| 22:35.58 | WizardNumberNext | never tried it, as MMS would cost me money |
| 22:36.17 | jon_y | I receive, but I don't send, so it's free |
| 22:36.32 | WizardNumberNext | I have free internet so I can send there |
| 22:36.32 | jon_y | at least I don't see any extra charges in my bill |
| 22:37.04 | WizardNumberNext | I have 'all you can eat data' - in first month I got nearly 300GiB and nothing |
| 22:37.19 | WizardNumberNext | been living without DSL |
| 22:38.03 | jon_y | also, how do I import my old backups to the n9? |
| 22:38.19 | jon_y | phone numbers etc |
| 22:38.59 | WizardNumberNext | while I was migrating from my N95 to N900 I stored my contacts on SD-card maybe yopu do it on N900 |
| 22:39.09 | jon_y | I am |
| 22:39.24 | jon_y | N9 has no SD slot |
| 22:39.36 | WizardNumberNext | I forgot that |
| 22:40.01 | WizardNumberNext | thats yet another reason why I do not want N9 - I wouls like to get N950 |
| 22:40.10 | jon_y | yep, cloud bullshit again |
| 22:40.21 | jon_y | I have a spare phone, that's the n9 |
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| 22:50.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | jon_y: iirc you pair N9 and N900 via bt, then sync upload to N9 |
| 22:50.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | been a while since I did |
| 22:54.33 | WizardNumberNext | I cannot understand why they have put bq27200 inside n900, while it have nothing to do with mobile, only with battery |
| 22:55.17 | WizardNumberNext | I just checked - I have one parialy charged battey and swapped it for completely dead - charge level remains |
| 22:57.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess they had no nice battery for N900 that has bq27200 on board like it's supposed to be |
| 22:57.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | on Openmoko GTA02 battery we did better |
| 22:58.50 | WizardNumberNext | openmoko? whats that? |
| 22:59.09 | WizardNumberNext | heard something but don't remember |
| 22:59.11 | grummund | is it worth getting screen protectors if the screen is already scratched up? |
| 22:59.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | openmoko.org should help |
| 22:59.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | grummund: yes |
| 22:59.57 | WizardNumberNext | grummund: you can always try to change top layer of screen, but I have no experience of it with n900 |
| 23:00.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | top layer is digitizer |
| 23:01.01 | WizardNumberNext | as I thought |
| 23:01.23 | MrPingu | Yeh, and I have still scratched digitizer :( |
| 23:01.25 | WizardNumberNext | can it be exchanged and is it easy to get it? |
| 23:01.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | grummund: screen protectors ideally even fill scars and thus make them invisible |
| 23:02.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's available and moderately difficult to chane |
| 23:02.05 | MrPingu | WizardNumberNext: yes, but be aware there not-genuine digitizers |
| 23:02.18 | MrPingu | *there are |
| 23:02.23 | WizardNumberNext | I have mark like huge amount of very fin and small scratches - will it 'fix' that? |
| 23:02.47 | WizardNumberNext | I am aware there is load of non-genuine crap around eBay |
| 23:03.01 | grummund | what about these - http://www.amazon.co.uk/PACK-OF-PROTECTOR-cleaning-ESSENTIALS/dp/B0030F3R4S/ref=sr_1_2 |
| 23:03.11 | WizardNumberNext | I had run into loads of non-genuine batteries, two displays and so on |
| 23:03.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | genuine digitizers around 20..30 EUR iirc |
| 23:03.54 | MrPingu | When I looked last time they were around 45 :( |
| 23:04.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | might be |
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| 23:07.09 | MrPingu | I need my sleep |
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| 23:07.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | o/ |
| 23:07.25 | MrPingu | so goodn8! |
| 23:08.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | ight |
| 23:10.39 | WizardNumberNext | gravity of bed have pulled WNN to sleep |
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| 23:30.49 | Luke-Jr | http://gigaom.com/2013/01/10/nokia-yes-we-decrypt-your-https-data-but-dont-worry-about-it/ |
| 23:32.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | so what? |
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| 23:34.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | what is all that excitement about a server side browser with VNC alike access? as if there were no *real* problems in this world, like e.g. that sack of rice over in china... |
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| 23:35.09 | cehteh | funny thing: opera is praised for that, nokia gets the blame |
| 23:36.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | ye( |
| 23:36.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah even |
| 23:37.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | and then: SERIES40 |
| 23:38.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomg |
| 23:39.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | could *anybody* name any article about fekkin cherry? |
| 23:39.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | nobody even recalls it anymore |
| 23:42.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably series40 phones do't even have the CPU grunt for SSL |
| 23:45.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsmack |
| 23:45.38 | infobot | OWW! |
| 23:55.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 23:55.10 | infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer51 |
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