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| 00:47.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I notice a worrying lack of comprehensive info anywhere in a single place, about plans and current status of migration |
| 00:47.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | wondering what such place could be? tmo? |
| 00:49.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen woody14619 |
| 00:49.15 | infobot | woody14619 <~Woody@Maemo/community/contributor/Woody14619> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23d 1h 11m 37s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 00:49.15 | ShadowJK | lol? |
| 00:49.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol indeed |
| 00:50.01 | jonwil | ~seen pali |
| 00:50.02 | infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 2d 13h 29m 50s ago, saying: 'freemangordon, do you know state of portrait keyboard?'. |
| 00:50.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | otoh I'd like to allow Nemein, board, whomever, to add factoids |
| 00:50.29 | ShadowJK | ponders moving daily N900 to thumb |
| 00:50.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | to an extent where we'd see updates twice a day |
| 00:51.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | gonna get me a beer, and ponder it... |
| 00:51.25 | jonwil | wishes he could get in touch with pali to discuss changes to http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/operator-name-cbs-widget/ |
| 00:51.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: /join #maemo-ssu |
| 00:52.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | pali is veery active there |
| 00:52.15 | jonwil | yes I know, I am IN #maemo-ssu right now :P |
| 00:52.22 | jonwil | but he isn't around :( |
| 00:53.15 | jonwil | in any case at least I have a widget on my phone that displays what it should display (and what it used to display before pali made lots of changes) |
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| 00:59.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you maybe should set up a page explaining what it does, in plain language like a design spec, so it could get reviewed |
| 01:01.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think it's good practice when several coders patch on one project, with no clear masterplan to follow, and each of them doesn't understand what and why been done by the other |
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| 01:02.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | when kerio finds further bugs (it's always kerio to do that ;-D) first we go to that spec and see if the bug is maybe in line with spec and thus the spec needs to get augmented |
| 01:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | if however the spec says this mustn't happen the anybody can go to the source and find where it differs from what the spec says it should do |
| 01:03.49 | kerio | /your face/ needs to be augmented |
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| 01:03.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/the any/then any/ |
| 01:04.19 | kerio | also hi |
| 01:06.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc pali did a lot of patching to get standard behaviour in line with that of the stock nokia applet that got replaced (maybe a tad too early and too unconditionally) |
| 01:08.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | first rule for CSSU: we don't want to introduce regressions from stock, and to guarantee that we can handle any regressions appearing, we need an active maintainer |
| 01:09.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas I pushed CBSMS-widget into CSSU without checking either of both prerequisites myself |
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| 08:39.54 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: is there some issue with the cbsms widget now? |
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| 09:51.35 | kerio | Sicelo: last i heard there were some issues related to roaming |
| 09:51.56 | kerio | i had my issue, i reported my issue, i got my issue fixed, worksforme |
| 09:53.27 | Sicelo | what was the problem? |
| 09:53.52 | kerio | didn't update the name when doing national roaming |
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| 10:18.31 | Gadgetoid | is off to the post-office |
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| 11:03.13 | Gadgetoid | Mission successful! |
| 11:12.29 | kerio | i can't believe you willingly separated from a n900 in your possession :c |
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| 11:19.58 | jon_y | kerio: he has an iphone now :) |
| 11:20.06 | kerio | >:C |
| 11:20.08 | kerio | that's even worse! |
| 11:20.15 | jon_y | or a Lumia |
| 11:20.23 | freemangordon | kerio: but it is faster ;) |
| 11:20.35 | freemangordon | and shiny |
| 11:20.52 | jon_y | yes, especially the white surface, so shiny! |
| 11:21.20 | kerio | well YOUR FACE is shiny |
| 11:21.38 | freemangordon | jon_y: yeah, makes me wanna puke |
| 11:22.08 | jon_y | I was just comparing the dimensions of the new iphone the other day, the n900 is huge :) |
| 11:22.23 | freemangordon | kerio: mine? no, I am a dark Balkan guy :P |
| 11:22.33 | jon_y | oth, the iphone feels really flimsy |
| 11:23.03 | jon_y | as if you could snap it if you left it in your pocket sitting in a wrong position |
| 11:26.01 | jon_y | heh, apple fans are really something |
| 11:26.35 | jon_y | one of them told me that users don't need NFC when asked about when apple will do it |
| 11:26.37 | FIQ|n900 | fanboys |
| 11:27.31 | FIQ|n900 | jon_y: then they will see it as the next big thing when apple decides to stick it into their next phone |
| 11:28.00 | jon_y | very much so |
| 11:28.10 | FIQ|n900 | just as with multitasking |
| 11:28.22 | FIQ|n900 | or whatever else |
| 11:28.26 | jon_y | don't forget quad core |
| 11:28.47 | jon_y | typical of any Samsung v Apple arguments :) |
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| 11:47.35 | FIQ|n900 | bleh |
| 11:47.58 | FIQ|n900 | order of "close everything" and "check battery" should be swapped in ham |
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| 14:36.57 | user_ | snu |
| 14:39.47 | freemangordon | ~snu |
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| 14:50.02 | kerio | FIQ|n900: file a bug! |
| 14:50.12 | kerio | (re:HAM closes everything before checking the battery) |
| 14:51.06 | FIQ|n900 | where? |
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| 15:00.38 | kerio | FIQ|n900: the cssu bug tracker, i suppose |
| 15:00.50 | kerio | but right now it's in read-only mode for the move |
| 15:00.56 | FIQ|n900 | yes exactly |
| 15:00.57 | FIQ|n900 | :p |
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| 15:49.27 | FIQ|n900 | I downloaded a 184KB large file earlier in microB, and the whole system froze on 85% downloaded and n900 was very hot, how did this happen? |
| 15:49.35 | FIQ|n900 | sorry 184MB |
| 15:50.33 | FIQ|n900 | I've gotten similar issues earlier with large downloads |
| 15:50.50 | jpinx | mine always does that |
| 15:50.56 | FIQ|n900 | (may be worth noting that my dl speed was ~47KB/s |
| 15:50.59 | FIQ|n900 | ) |
| 15:51.14 | kerio | FIQ|n900: the n900 sucks at I/O |
| 15:51.23 | FIQ|n900 | hrm |
| 15:51.29 | jpinx | I think it might be something to do with the way the system is constantly trying to index the contents of the hdd |
| 15:51.36 | FIQ|n900 | so how do I download it then? :D |
| 15:51.47 | FIQ|n900 | jpinx: tracker is disabled here |
| 15:51.50 | FIQ|n900 | if that's what you mean |
| 15:51.54 | kerio | FIQ|n900: increase the IO queue size |
| 15:52.13 | FIQ|n900 | kerio: um I can't follow |
| 15:52.16 | jpinx | fwiw - I use the n900 as a usb modem to an eeepc and it's ok |
| 15:52.22 | FIQ|n900 | what's io queue size?? |
| 15:52.23 | FIQ|n900 | -? |
| 15:52.43 | jpinx | the n990 stays cool - the eeepc gets hot ! haha!! |
| 15:52.49 | kerio | FIQ|n900: echo 8192 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests |
| 15:52.50 | kerio | for instance |
| 15:52.55 | kerio | but there's a ton to do |
| 15:53.22 | kerio | FIQ|n900: this is what i have at the end of /etc/init.d/rcS: http://fpaste.org/gTmx/ |
| 15:53.31 | jpinx | kerio: I looked at that a while ago and decided that the risk of fscking the system was not worth it |
| 15:53.41 | kerio | jpinx: whatever |
| 15:53.54 | FIQ|n900 | hmm |
| 15:54.00 | kerio | worksforme |
| 15:54.12 | FIQ|n900 | is this something swappolube would solve? |
| 15:54.29 | FIQ|n900 | a quick look at your file seems similar to its' configurations |
| 15:54.41 | kerio | it's partially freemangordon's swappolube configurations |
| 15:54.47 | kerio | and partially ShadowJK's tweaks |
| 15:55.36 | FIQ|n900 | well as I don't understand what this do (and don't like to randomly run stuff w/o knowing), what does it do basically? |
| 15:55.55 | FIQ|n900 | set some configs, but what's the effect? |
| 15:56.01 | FIQ|n900 | of them |
| 15:56.24 | kerio | nr_requests is how big the IO queue size is |
| 15:56.55 | kerio | it should be big so the scheduler can reorder requests to get more speed in read/write |
| 15:57.04 | kerio | (sequential stuff is a lot faster) |
| 15:57.05 | ShadowJK | Does dirt expire set to 0 disable expiration, or make it expire immediately? |
| 15:57.25 | kerio | beats me |
| 15:58.08 | ShadowJK | I have dirty background ratio 1 on n**0 :) |
| 15:59.03 | kerio | hm |
| 16:00.25 | FIQ|n900 | kerio: I assume it should be pasted in bottom before exit 0? |
| 16:00.30 | kerio | yep |
| 16:00.38 | kerio | but i don't want any responsibilities :3 |
| 16:00.44 | ShadowJK | Theory being that I'd rather have it start writing in the background very early |
| 16:00.52 | kerio | ask ShadowJK too, he seems to know what he's talking about |
| 16:00.53 | FIQ|n900 | *blames kerio in case stuff fail* |
| 16:01.05 | ShadowJK | Disab |
| 16:01.21 | ShadowJK | king TCP timestamps seems just plain crazy |
| 16:01.36 | kerio | why? |
| 16:01.47 | kerio | i copied that part from fmg |
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| 16:04.35 | FIQ|n900 | I assume line 6 should be echo 1? |
| 16:04.43 | FIQ|n900 | @ ShadowJK @ pastebin |
| 16:05.04 | FIQ|n900 | instead of 0 that is |
| 16:05.14 | freemangordon | is not using swappolube ;) |
| 16:05.30 | ShadowJK | No |
| 16:05.36 | FIQ|n900 | ok |
| 16:05.44 | ShadowJK | Lone 8? |
| 16:05.47 | ShadowJK | Lone |
| 16:06.03 | ShadowJK | asdfg LINE |
| 16:06.11 | freemangordon | hmm, why 1 in laptop-mode? |
| 16:06.12 | FIQ|n900 | :p |
| 16:06.34 | freemangordon | that's crazy aiui |
| 16:06.35 | FIQ|n900 | uh how did I manage to screw up xchat selection lol |
| 16:06.50 | ShadowJK | laptop-mode might be the only thing saving it from the other crazy |
| 16:07.23 | kerio | ShadowJK: what tweaks do you use, if any? |
| 16:07.39 | FIQ|n900 | ok I'll try this, but I guess there will be no noticeable difference before I start to do IO heavy stuff |
| 16:07.48 | ShadowJK | The queue length thing, and slice idle thing |
| 16:08.16 | ShadowJK | Swappiness 1 right before heavy IO, 100 normally |
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| 16:47.31 | kerio | ShadowJK: what about quantum, fifo_expire_*sync? |
| 16:47.59 | ShadowJK | nfi |
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| 17:12.12 | markmx | so |
| 17:12.20 | markmx | ankiqt900 developer here? :) |
| 17:13.38 | markmx | how I can edit shortcuts on one of desctops? |
| 17:14.11 | Sc0rpius | what shortcut? |
| 17:14.25 | Sc0rpius | what do you want exactly |
| 17:15.53 | Sc0rpius | to edit shortcuts behavior just edit the corresponding .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 17:16.11 | markmx | st - want to make next donation to ankiqt900 package developer :) |
| 17:16.12 | markmx | nd - shortcuts on desktops on my phone, wanna edit cmdlines in it... where they placed in system? |
| 17:27.14 | markmx | ow, I found it :) |
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| 17:35.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | suspects markmx is an irc newbie |
| 17:36.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | or has a pretty broken kbd |
| 17:36.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | or last nap made me forget what meand "st -" and "nd -" |
| 17:37.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and "ankiqt900" |
| 17:37.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | means* |
| 17:38.12 | markmx | 1st |
| 17:38.12 | markmx | 2nd |
| 17:38.12 | markmx | ankiqt900 - SRS for learning languages... who's nubie, uuu, am oldfag :) |
| 17:38.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, it's an actual pkg it seems |
| 17:39.31 | FIQ|n900 | anki is great |
| 17:40.51 | FIQ|n900 | I've never used n900 version though |
| 17:40.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | markmx: shortcuts are a tad cumbersome, applauncher icons however are just .desktop files as Sc0rpius said |
| 17:41.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | create new *.desktop to your liking, then you can set up a shortcut for it |
| 17:41.47 | markmx | I found it's simple was :) |
| 17:42.12 | markmx | but can't understand how they separetad byt desks |
| 17:42.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^^ |
| 17:43.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are tools (or howtos) about how to create shortcut on all desks |
| 17:44.00 | markmx | nononono only config files, only hardcore |
| 17:44.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 17:44.46 | markmx | russian style :) |
| 17:44.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | in my book a howto is an instruction how to do sth "the hardcore way" |
| 17:45.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and reading tool source is even more russian style |
| 17:46.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly you probably don't want to fuzz with hildon screen shortcuts |
| 17:46.50 | Sc0rpius | in soviet Rusia, shortcuts create YOU!!! |
| 17:47.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | my shortcuts not create but surely define me ;-D |
| 17:47.18 | markmx | so as I сфт ыуу - шт *ювуылещз ашдуы тще мфкшфиду ащк вуылещз тгьююю рь |
| 17:47.24 | markmx | ow shi |
| 17:47.27 | markmx | :) |
| 17:47.29 | markmx | sorry |
| 17:49.40 | thedead1440 | wishes everybody a happy new year |
| 17:49.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want homescreen icons as shortcuts to cmdline, get queen-beecon or desktop-cmdline-shortcut-applet or whatever the neame |
| 17:50.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | same to you thedead1440 |
| 17:50.04 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: shock, horror, maemo.org still seems to be up :p |
| 17:50.20 | RST38h | not for long, not for long |
| 17:50.28 | thedead1440 | oh maybe its 0000 finnish time |
| 17:50.32 | RST38h | few more hours and it will TURN INTO A PUMPKIN!!! |
| 17:50.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, another 6h til Finland is moving into 2013 |
| 17:51.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | already prepared his pumpkin gun |
| 17:51.29 | thedead1440 | hehe pumpkin gun? |
| 17:53.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | know potato gun? |
| 17:53.50 | thedead1440 | whats that; your invention? :p |
| 17:54.17 | Wulfe | Anyone here familiar with maemo mapper? Preferably for OS2008(Diablo) but I am sure this question applies to any of its versions. |
| 17:55.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki potato gun |
| 17:56.13 | markmx | eh... if I learnt english, then I'd undrstd what you saying here :) happy NY13 |
| 17:56.45 | thedead1440 | ah that type of gun; DocScrutinizer05 definitely young at heart :D |
| 17:58.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wulfe: maemo mapper seems a tad outdated and orpkaned, but maybe that's just me. N810 users might still use it |
| 17:59.13 | Wulfe | I am on a N810 ;) |
| 17:59.34 | Wulfe | my only problem i have with it is the POI's |
| 17:59.54 | Wulfe | the url that was used to download them is broken as the maintainer took the site offline. |
| 18:00.14 | Wulfe | i found a url in the forums to fix routing. |
| 18:00.37 | Wulfe | but i am having a terrible time just getting a nice complete POI.db for my city |
| 18:01.19 | Wulfe | if i could just figure out how to export them off my garmin nuvi it would be tons easier...... |
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| 18:27.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess we have <10 active diablo users in here |
| 18:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | but odds are one of the 10 eventually drops by and has some helpful info to share |
| 18:28.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | so stay tuned |
| 18:29.45 | ShadowJK | uses diablo but not maemo-mapper for anything except answering "how long does it take for N810 gps" |
| 18:37.18 | FIQ|n900 | lol |
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| 19:06.55 | FIQ|n900 | once I moved some stuff from ~ to ~/MyDocs |
| 19:07.00 | FIQ|n900 | then the system froze |
| 19:07.11 | FIQ|n900 | and I got these files instead |
| 19:07.27 | FIQ|n900 | ?.{╣g 0?Ç_eQs≡.εt( Z=,πδ?o?.z?y rar!??.És £╔òu&≡?=.?╢ë ècgb(d0?.í!▓ ╕└╛?î÷ûl.a▌┬ |
| 19:07.32 | FIQ|n900 | how did this happen? |
| 19:15.33 | joga | what was this "some stuff"? |
| 19:15.50 | joga | note that MyDocs is a separate filesystem from your home directory |
| 19:16.44 | joga | (FAT, so maybe some file naming issue?) |
| 19:16.57 | joga | or, encoding or such |
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| 19:19.46 | FIQ|n900 | joga: yes I know |
| 19:19.54 | FIQ|n900 | which makes mv take a while |
| 19:20.08 | FIQ|n900 | but i don't understand why the system freeze |
| 19:20.14 | FIQ|n900 | basically I got corrupt files |
| 19:20.20 | FIQ|n900 | but how to solve it? |
| 19:20.42 | FIQ|n900 | it was just some wav-s also, so fairy big files |
| 19:20.49 | FIQ|n900 | but not iso-size big |
| 19:22.17 | joga | writing to the card too fast seems to mess up the system, I forget the workarounds but have gotten it to reboot myself a few times in the middle of a transfer. just slow it down and it may work.. |
| 19:23.23 | ShadowJK | echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 19:23.30 | ShadowJK | before big file transfers |
| 19:24.08 | FIQ|n900 | "slow it down" |
| 19:24.19 | FIQ|n900 | how exactly do I alter the speed of a mv :s |
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| 19:27.58 | FIQ|n900 | well anyway |
| 19:28.37 | FIQ|n900 | how do I remove this stuff |
| 19:28.47 | FIQ|n900 | i guess fsck should help me |
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| 21:42.22 | M4rtinK | screenshots for modRana QML UI improvements: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1309575&postcount=1259 |
| 21:42.37 | M4rtinK | oh and Happy New Year everyone ! :) |
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| 23:19.01 | FIQ|n900 | happy new year everyone |
| 23:36.12 | f3bruary | ditto |
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