| 00:00.44 | kerio | very few people realize that, because they've mostly all failed so they do nothing at this point |
| 00:01.03 | kerio | it's the reason you probably have to set the clock every time you remove the battery for more than two seconds |
| 00:01.07 | ManoftheSea | backup battery, the coin-cell? |
| 00:01.13 | kerio | yep |
| 00:01.22 | ManoftheSea | doesn't work? |
| 00:01.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | running that very lousy charger script will not cause any of the problems unclouded described |
| 00:01.33 | kerio | fails after about a year |
| 00:01.36 | unclouded | ah, mine has failed then. I have to set the clock |
| 00:02.04 | kerio | unclouded: then there's no reason you should have any residual weirdness after removing the battery and waiting a bit |
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| 00:03.29 | unclouded | still no joy. I stupidly left the USB cable in while I removed the battery so I'll try again without power from the USB cable |
| 00:03.56 | MrPingu | Hi peepz! |
| 00:04.05 | kerio | still, the fuel gauge issue is probably a software problem |
| 00:04.34 | unclouded | this whole charger seems software based :~( |
| 00:04.48 | kerio | unclouded: what did you do to the software? |
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| 00:05.20 | unclouded | nothing. I have u-boot. I have tried kernel-power but I always let it run stock lately |
| 00:05.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: UK pretends to be EU, but in fact they try to stay as far away from real EU as they could |
| 00:06.00 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: heh, are you still reading through the backscroll? |
| 00:06.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | do they have EURO? nope! |
| 00:06.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | they do their own thing, in more than just currency |
| 00:06.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not all sure about customs |
| 00:07.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I know that stuff you can buy freely in UK will bring you troublw with customs and possibly a time in prison when you import it to true EU |
| 00:08.09 | kerio | wat |
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| 00:09.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | see e.g http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cammenga |
| 00:10.24 | ManoftheSea | compasses? |
| 00:10.32 | ManoftheSea | Military compasses? |
| 00:11.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTLS |
| 00:13.38 | unclouded | this could be a reflash job. slightly bizarre that it will charge when plugged in to a computer but not when plugged in to the wall |
| 00:14.33 | kerio | it could be a broken wallcharger |
| 00:15.02 | kerio | also, the last n900 microusb i broke stopped charging through the wallcharger first |
| 00:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, broken plug or charger very likely. Or you messed so terribly with bme and friends, that it doesn't work anymore with wallcharger |
| 00:20.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | couldn't see how the latter would work |
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| 00:20.28 | unclouded | the wallcharger seems ok since it charges other phones. I hope it's not the port |
| 00:20.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | that doesn't mean much, when D+/- is broken on the charger |
| 00:21.23 | unclouded | ah true, let me try another wall charger then |
| 00:22.43 | unclouded | hmm. the second wall charger doesn't charge it either, even though it used to and of course still charges other phones |
| 00:22.48 | kerio | remember to use one with at least 1A and with a properly shorted data |
| 00:23.12 | unclouded | both of these wall chargers used to charge the N900 |
| 00:23.51 | unclouded | I've tried three cables too, all the same |
| 00:24.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you do a few tests? |
| 00:24.24 | unclouded | sure thing |
| 00:24.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | stop bme |
| 00:24.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | literally |
| 00:24.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~# stop bme; |
| 00:24.55 | ShadowJK | the USB might work because you've used it less, and as a result it puts more pressure on it due to being tighter? |
| 00:25.31 | unclouded | ok, bme stopped |
| 00:25.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | start bme |
| 00:25.50 | unclouded | I still have hald-addon-bme though. is that ok? |
| 00:26.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't matter |
| 00:26.30 | unclouded | ShadowJK, it's the same cable. it works when plugged in to a laptop but not when plugged in to a wall charger |
| 00:26.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know of any wallcharger that has shorted D+- by default |
| 00:26.58 | ShadowJK | weird, this charger worked before? |
| 00:27.03 | unclouded | even without bme running the battery icon is animating as if it were charging |
| 00:27.09 | unclouded | definitely |
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| 00:27.36 | kerio | "plugged in to a wall charger" what? |
| 00:27.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suspect you installed (parts of) jrbme aka pali's bme replacement |
| 00:27.59 | ShadowJK | some do. Nokia is shipping that by default now for new phones with musb charging |
| 00:28.01 | unclouded | still plugged in to a laptop, which is the only way it will charge at the moment |
| 00:28.26 | unclouded | how would I find out? |
| 00:28.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are some sys/ nodes that will tell quite a bit |
| 00:28.45 | kerio | ShadowJK: nokia is shipping what? |
| 00:29.06 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: makes a lot of sense. charger isn't useless if you kill the cable |
| 00:29.20 | SpeedEvil | but raises the unfortunate issue of cable quality |
| 00:29.21 | ShadowJK | wallcharger with USB port |
| 00:29.28 | kerio | dammit, that's really good |
| 00:29.31 | kerio | longer usb cable too? |
| 00:30.03 | ShadowJK | yeah, I've got tons of cables that struggle to push even 300mA |
| 00:30.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: can you help me out for sysnode that shows D+- short aka fastcharger-detected? |
| 00:30.21 | ShadowJK | short ones too |
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| 00:31.01 | ShadowJK | oh darn.. let me check charge script |
| 00:31.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventually should write up a "guide to /sys/" |
| 00:32.00 | ShadowJK | cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger |
| 00:32.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 00:32.24 | unclouded | it say: 0 |
| 00:32.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | unclouded: ^^^ |
| 00:32.32 | unclouded | shall I try in the wall tooy |
| 00:32.39 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 00:32.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | that means there's no D+- short detected |
| 00:32.54 | kerio | ShadowJK: can one buy a usb wallcharger? |
| 00:33.11 | ShadowJK | yeah why not |
| 00:33.17 | kerio | i mean the one from nokia |
| 00:33.18 | unclouded | sorry, it's plugged in to the laptop. I'll try again when plugged in to the wall |
| 00:34.20 | ShadowJK | Someone claimed the other day that all androids are d+/d- short for charging... |
| 00:34.23 | unclouded | when plugged in to the wall it say: 1 |
| 00:34.53 | ShadowJK | unclouded: that's good |
| 00:34.55 | unclouded | although "mA" says "0" even though it said "500" when plugged in to the computer |
| 00:35.25 | ShadowJK | yes, that's normal. it means there's no limit |
| 00:35.31 | unclouded | nice |
| 00:35.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | unclouded: cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus |
| 00:35.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | says "1" when 5V on USB |
| 00:35.53 | unclouded | it says "1" |
| 00:36.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | then if you had proper bme and working kernel I2C interface, it should charge |
| 00:36.33 | ShadowJK | i lent out my n900 charger the other day.. toa HTC user.. worked fine :) |
| 00:37.37 | unclouded | how can I tell if I'm using stock bme or not? |
| 00:37.54 | kerio | unclouded: did you install experimental software made by pali? |
| 00:38.23 | unclouded | I did install u-boot-flasher and u-boot-tools |
| 00:38.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ll /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51 |
| 00:38.30 | unclouded | nothing else I don't think |
| 00:38.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 103364 2010-02-08 13:13 /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51 |
| 00:39.04 | unclouded | Nokia-N900:~# ls -l /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51 |
| 00:39.04 | unclouded | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 103364 Feb 9 2010 /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51 |
| 00:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | you shouldn't have problems with charging |
| 00:40.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | lsmod |grep bq |
| 00:40.44 | unclouded | nothing, although I did copy that module to my Debian chroot |
| 00:40.54 | unclouded | but it's not available to Maemo |
| 00:41.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 00:41.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | uname -a |
| 00:41.12 | unclouded | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown |
| 00:42.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l /usr/sbin/ke-recv |
| 00:42.25 | unclouded | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 66104 Nov 26 2009 /usr/sbin/ke-recv |
| 00:42.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks too old to cause any trouble |
| 00:42.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's your problem precisely? |
| 00:44.38 | unclouded | it charges very slowly connected to a PC, not at all from the wall (even though it used to) and the fuel guage shows full until it suddenly runs out and the LED is green all the time when the display is off |
| 00:45.01 | unclouded | suggesting BatteryFull I suppose |
| 00:45.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
| 00:45.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | showing green even when unplugged? |
| 00:45.45 | unclouded | yup |
| 00:46.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm |
| 00:46.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | what makes you think it charges slowly? |
| 00:47.27 | unclouded | it takes about 8 hours to charge from the PC. it used to charge from this port in about an hour. I think this port might even support high current charging although maybe I remember incorrectly |
| 00:48.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | what means "it takes..." |
| 00:50.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | you didn't answer my question, you defined 'slowly' |
| 00:50.08 | unclouded | once the N900 has run out of battery it takes about 8 hours of charging on the PC USB port before it thinks the battery is full |
| 00:50.19 | unclouded | :) |
| 00:50.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | what means "it thinks..."? |
| 00:50.51 | kerio | if i had to bet, i'd bet on your musb port being brok :( |
| 00:50.52 | unclouded | ah, I see. so it's normal for it to take 8 hours? only it used to charge much faster on this same PC |
| 00:51.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | you see what? |
| 00:51.43 | unclouded | a message on screen say "charging complete" or something similar and the LED goes green |
| 00:51.51 | kerio | i'd say it should take a bit more than half an hour, with the wallcharger |
| 00:51.55 | kerio | actually no, more like an hour |
| 00:52.30 | ShadowJK | two hours on wall, maybe 4 on USB? |
| 00:52.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, it's not normal "it takes" 8h. Battery is charged ~80% after a tad more than 1h on fastcharger, after 2.5h the indicator light goes from yellow flashing to green steady. After another 30min it actually stops charging |
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| 00:54.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | when your indicator light goes green after 8h that doesn't mean it's charging slowly, that first instance only means your indicator light goes green way too late |
| 00:55.08 | unclouded | ah, right. so the battery might have been overcharged? |
| 00:55.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | you say it also shows a notifier same moment the LED goes green? |
| 00:55.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, the battery won't overcharge |
| 00:55.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | hardware forbids |
| 00:56.13 | unclouded | I just had a look through every installed package and there's nothing experimental, only rootsh, rsync, vim and so on |
| 00:56.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | you say it also shows a notifier same moment the LED goes green? |
| 00:56.19 | Daftnoobie | hey followed the wiki, wonderin about hostmode and the alfa card, or any external wifi card for that matter....can anyone advise? |
| 00:56.26 | ShadowJK | i wonder how bq27200.sh looks on that device |
| 00:57.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's my next suggestion |
| 00:57.09 | unclouded | I believe so. I can't remember for sure if the message and the LED happened at the same time or not |
| 00:57.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I'm pretty sure it's batter statusbar applet |
| 00:57.19 | unclouded | where would that be located? |
| 00:57.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | not sure, ask pali or freemangordon |
| 00:57.55 | unclouded | ah, so the battery might be charging just fine even from the wall but the status bar doesn't indicate that? |
| 00:58.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 00:58.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | sth like that |
| 00:58.09 | unclouded | find / will be quicker |
| 00:58.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | get bq27200.sh as ShadowJK suggested |
| 00:58.47 | ShadowJK | do you have wget installed? |
| 00:59.06 | unclouded | yes |
| 00:59.41 | ShadowJK | 1and rootsh? |
| 00:59.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: seems he already has i2ctools |
| 01:00.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | he ran my POC charger script |
| 01:00.17 | kerio | proof-of-concept or piece-of-crap? |
| 01:00.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | up to you |
| 01:00.29 | ShadowJK | unfortunately i never made it check for system i2ctools |
| 01:00.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 01:01.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys bq |
| 01:01.27 | unclouded | I have "i2cset" and i2cget |
| 01:01.35 | ShadowJK | unclouded: as root, wget http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar |
| 01:01.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 01:01.52 | ShadowJK | tar -xf bq.tar |
| 01:02.13 | ShadowJK | ./bq27200.sh 5 |
| 01:02.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | or get this one: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27200.sh |
| 01:02.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 01:03.28 | unclouded | Nokia-N900:/dev/shm# ./bq27200.sh 5 |
| 01:03.28 | unclouded | LOOPMODE=5 |
| 01:03.28 | unclouded | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.28 | unclouded | 14:02 3938 33 33 333 402 402 402 220 65535 37 0 |
| 01:03.28 | unclouded | 14:02 3957 33 33 297 402 402 402 247 65535 37 0 |
| 01:03.39 | unclouded | that's from when plugged in to a PC. let me try in the wall |
| 01:03.50 | ShadowJK | looks like PC... yeah |
| 01:04.04 | ShadowJK | 333mA charge rate |
| 01:04.24 | jon_y | wall charger supposed to be higher? |
| 01:04.30 | ShadowJK | esimatd 247 minutes to full |
| 01:04.33 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 01:04.41 | unclouded | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.43 | unclouded | 14:04 3708 33 33 -171 408 408 408 65535 142 36 0 |
| 01:04.43 | unclouded | 14:04 3748 33 33 -218 407 407 407 65535 112 36 0 |
| 01:04.43 | unclouded | 14:04 3745 33 33 -162 407 407 407 65535 151 36 0 |
| 01:04.43 | unclouded | 14:04 3745 33 33 -162 407 407 407 65535 150 36 0 |
| 01:04.43 | unclouded | 14:04 3743 33 33 -160 407 407 407 65535 152 36 0 |
| 01:04.47 | unclouded | ( from the wall) |
| 01:04.54 | jon_y | negative? |
| 01:04.57 | ShadowJK | no charging at all |
| 01:05.08 | unclouded | cool script |
| 01:05.29 | ShadowJK | 152 minutesto empty |
| 01:05.39 | Daftnoobie | has anyone tried this with n900? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30838 |
| 01:06.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | unclouded: reflash |
| 01:06.14 | ShadowJK | hey, try run it without the 5 at the end and pastebin it? |
| 01:06.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless ShadowJK wants to further do tech porn forensics |
| 01:06.54 | ShadowJK | also, battery looks really worn |
| 01:07.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | which might explain |
| 01:07.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe |
| 01:07.50 | unclouded | http://pastebin.com/6FxNQ2uk |
| 01:09.16 | ShadowJK | want to try my charge script too? |
| 01:09.25 | unclouded | yes please |
| 01:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | CI:0 since last learningcycle:0 :-o |
| 01:09.59 | unclouded | what's "CI" and what are learning cycles? |
| 01:10.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | unclouded: yep, use ShadowJK's charge21 script, it's waaaay more sophisticated than my proof-of-concept fron enivax page |
| 01:10.40 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: bq27k forgets about everything once you remove power, right? |
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| 01:10.56 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: so it IS proof-of-concept! |
| 01:11.00 | kerio | and not piece-of-crap |
| 01:11.01 | ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/charge21.sh.txt (rename to charge21.sh, chmod +x charge21.sh) |
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| 01:12.13 | ShadowJK | unplug, wait 30s, execute 'stop bme' command, type in ./charge21.sh , plug in n900, press enter to start script |
| 01:12.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | unclouded: CI is "Calibration Incorrect" or sth, it means the chip is not properly calibrated anymore when 1. Calibration=learning cycle |
| 01:12.22 | ShadowJK | pastebin results |
| 01:12.41 | unclouded | OK, just having a quick look at the script |
| 01:13.13 | unclouded | any params? |
| 01:13.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll love that |
| 01:13.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 01:14.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | (though it really could use to take max-usb-current parameter) |
| 01:14.45 | unclouded | http://pastebin.com/KFSAKgqD |
| 01:14.53 | unclouded | does that output mean that it is charging? |
| 01:14.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | unclouded: if you like bq27200.sh, you'll also like http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 01:15.27 | unclouded | because if so then I need to have your children because it is charging *at the wall* |
| 01:15.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 01:15.41 | ShadowJK | learning cycle.. the hardware battery fuel gauge chip keepstrack of battery capacity. the number says how many cycles ago it most recently got a successful estimate of battery capacity |
| 01:16.42 | ShadowJK | rate is positive and a big number :) |
| 01:17.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | what ShadowJK wnats to say: your battery charges with ~700mA |
| 01:18.16 | unclouded | is that after taking off the current draw of the system? |
| 01:18.23 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 01:18.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 01:18.28 | unclouded | so that's pretty close to 1A |
| 01:18.43 | ShadowJK | 700 net gain into battery |
| 01:18.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | that figure is *real* battery in/out |
| 01:19.18 | ShadowJK | my script requests 950mA |
| 01:19.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | the script estimates system ~250mA |
| 01:20.03 | ShadowJK | the system load estimate is not very accurate |
| 01:20.22 | unclouded | sweet. that is so cool. so I could use this script to charge and I won't have to reflash. will it work in Debian do you think if I have i2cset? |
| 01:20.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, since it assumes an ideal charger chip |
| 01:21.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, won't work in debian chroot |
| 01:21.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | this script is talking directly "to the kernel" |
| 01:21.41 | kerio | i believe he means an actual debian system |
| 01:21.46 | kerio | like, a debian install |
| 01:21.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 01:22.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends on what sysfs this debian ships with |
| 01:22.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | iow if i2cset/i2cget will work |
| 01:23.02 | ShadowJK | as long as you don't have any kernel battery modules installed loaded, as my script talks to the hw directly. |
| 01:23.29 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: I can convert bq27k-detail2 to perl, so no requirements on bash, worth the effort? :) |
| 01:23.36 | unclouded | ah ok. I do have the battery module in the Debian fs ( otherwise Maemo stock kernel) but I can avoid loading it |
| 01:23.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: if you like to do that, go ahead :-D |
| 01:24.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | that battery module is known to tear down charging etc |
| 01:24.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | on maemo |
| 01:24.44 | jon_y | ok |
| 01:25.10 | ShadowJK | i had a version i made for meego that worked with bq27* module, but i think i lost it when my n900 died, and i flashed maemo on my spare n900 that had meego |
| 01:25.13 | unclouded | I've never loaded it while running Maemo, only while booted in to Debian ( via u-boot, not chroot obviously) |
| 01:26.00 | unclouded | thank you so much for all the help. I learnt something and I can charge at the wall |
| 01:26.20 | ShadowJK | btw, you should treat yourself to a new battery :) |
| 01:26.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: obviously it can get ported to proper ash as well, but the beauty of the sourcecode suffers a lot. Dunno about perl, I always thought there's no way to write beauty perl code |
| 01:27.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, 1200mAh seems not that bad |
| 01:27.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | highZ or what's your frowning about? |
| 01:27.42 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 01:27.48 | ShadowJK | .5 ish |
| 01:28.07 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: what is set -ehu? |
| 01:28.28 | jon_y | can't find that in the docs |
| 01:28.40 | ShadowJK | it's probably the source of " meter suddenly jumps to empty" |
| 01:28.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | some error- and codingstyle settings |
| 01:29.25 | jon_y | ok |
| 01:30.46 | unclouded | or could be that the Maemo status bar seems to have become disconnected from reality |
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| 01:31.47 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: pv just prints all the byte arrays in decimals right? |
| 01:31.56 | unclouded | what about python? don't want the extra dependency? |
| 01:32.27 | jon_y | perl comes out of the box |
| 01:32.37 | unclouded | indeed |
| 01:32.54 | ShadowJK | the default battery meter only works well with fresh batteries, the hw meter is off by a factor of 2 by default, but yours seems calibrated |
| 01:32.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: man bash|less +/abefhkmnptuvxBCEHPT |
| 01:33.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: yes, pv means print-value, at least that's why I named it pv |
| 01:33.55 | jon_y | ok |
| 01:35.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | it takes the bytes from arry which the index paramaters passed to pv point to, and interprets them as one decimal value |
| 01:36.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can pass an arbitrary (though usually consecutive) list of array byte adresses |
| 01:36.13 | jon_y | yeah, I see it's doing a loop and some bitshifting |
| 01:36.56 | unclouded | I bought my N900 second hand. might it be that the previous owner calibrated it? |
| 01:37.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | beware, I ruthlessly copied text from the datasheet, so it's not really clean FOSS |
| 01:37.15 | teotwaki | amazing |
| 01:37.29 | teotwaki | the amount of galaxy s3 and note 2 that are available post-christmas. |
| 01:37.45 | teotwaki | what's even more amazing, is that some people sell them for less than a 100 euros. |
| 01:38.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | unclouded: it says you haven't charged/discharged your battery one complete time (summed up) since last learning cycle |
| 01:38.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 01:38.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | note 2 for under 100EUR? |
| 01:38.39 | teotwaki | yeah |
| 01:38.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm |
| 01:38.51 | teotwaki | it just says "android phone", picture is defo note 2. |
| 01:39.23 | ShadowJK | unclouded; possibly, or then you've just done "charge to full in maemo, run to empty in debian" a bunch of times |
| 01:39.24 | teotwaki | so will go 'round day after tomorrow |
| 01:39.45 | ShadowJK | (maemo shuts down before battery is empty enough for calibration threshold to be reached) |
| 01:40.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually |
| 01:40.14 | teotwaki | anyway |
| 01:40.16 | teotwaki | am off |
| 01:40.17 | teotwaki | 'later |
| 01:40.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | not if you discharge slowly |
| 01:40.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | waves |
| 01:40.48 | unclouded | aha. I think it has been too empty to finish booting sometimes recently |
| 01:41.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | that might happen |
| 01:41.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then you're usually screwed |
| 01:41.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | since when it not boots, it doesn't charge either |
| 01:42.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it charges a bit *before* booting |
| 01:43.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | but always starts at same point during charging with the boot, so it will never boot up to the end when battery is old and weak |
| 01:44.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually that pre-boot charge is sufficient for - like - 5 min of device operation, so it boots up to normal charging |
| 01:45.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think you probably should actually do a full-reset |
| 01:45.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~n900-full-reset |
| 01:45.44 | infobot | well, n900-full-reset is when the user presses the PWRON (power-on) button for 8 seconds and removes the battery in the next 8 seconds, the TPS65950 enters NO SUPPLY state instead of BACKUP state, even if a valid backup battery is present. In such a situation, the backup domain registers are also reset, along with the VRRTC domain registers. |
| 01:46.48 | unclouded | I did do that earlier today although it didn't seem to help |
| 01:47.13 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: where do I get i2cdump from? |
| 01:47.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr, repo? |
| 01:47.33 | jon_y | hmm |
| 01:47.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | extras-devel I guess |
| 01:47.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | i2ctools |
| 01:48.09 | unclouded | Nokia-N900:~# dpkg -S i2cdump |
| 01:48.09 | unclouded | i2c-tools: /usr/sbin/i2cdump |
| 01:49.06 | jon_y | ok |
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| 07:20.36 | markmx | hi... trying to set http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/curl/7.25.0-1maemo7/ this and getting lotta errors http://pastebin.com/wGFQeFp1 |
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| 07:28.30 | merlin1991 | markmx: well it's pretty obvious |
| 07:28.55 | markmx | aga... but I can't get it |
| 07:29.39 | markmx | http://pastebin.com/1B12BG1c now I have this |
| 07:29.46 | merlin1991 | you just need http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libkrb53/1.6.dfsg.4~beta1-5lenny4/ and http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libidn11/0.6.5-1/ aswell |
| 07:30.41 | merlin1991 | and that you can probably fix by installing http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libcurl3/7.25.0-1maemo7/ |
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| 07:32.24 | merlin1991 | but in general, why aren't you using apt? |
| 07:34.07 | markmx | wait sec |
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| 07:36.03 | markmx | how to it with apt? |
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| 07:47.19 | markmx | :)))0 done :)))) it was simple :) |
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| 09:44.25 | zsolt | hello.moved from a mobile company to another,but can't use the gprs now. |
| 09:46.39 | zsolt | how to reset the network settings?some settings are unavailable,like adding gprs connection |
| 09:47.46 | zsolt | fapn is not an advanced tool |
| 09:47.52 | zsolt | thank you |
| 09:50.06 | zsolt | in the tech support they said,that maybe the last provider's settings are still active.just need an answer,how to reset it? |
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| 09:55.59 | SpeedEvil | there may be a 'send configuration settings' by text |
| 09:56.08 | SpeedEvil | that contains the APN |
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| 10:10.34 | kerio | zsolt: just change the current one |
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| 11:12.38 | zsolt | well,I sent a text to my provider,but can't receive any kind of settings |
| 11:13.31 | zsolt | when I try to connect to my gprs, it says:internet connection error.try again? |
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| 11:15.14 | zsolt | i put the provider's sim to my n900,which I moved from to another,then switched back to my new one and can't connect by gprs anymore |
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| 11:16.09 | zsolt | manually configured gprs settings,what they recomended in the support, but still the same :( |
| 11:16.37 | zsolt | I used e90 before,there were a lot of settings,that I can't find in n900 |
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| 11:28.34 | Sicelo | settings such as? |
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| 11:30.25 | Sicelo | who knows, maybe mobile data is simply not yet enabled on that sim card. |
| 11:32.50 | zsolt | I used last time and it was working |
| 11:33.19 | Sicelo | you can remove a mstuck' APN using gconf. don't blame me if you break something though :-P |
| 11:33.39 | zsolt | :) |
| 11:33.47 | zsolt | i will backup it |
| 11:33.50 | zsolt | before |
| 11:34.09 | Sicelo | i'm not in maemo atm, but tmo should show you how |
| 11:34.33 | zsolt | what file should I have to edit? |
| 11:35.00 | zsolt | I like debian based distros,everything is so clear |
| 11:35.52 | Sicelo | i'mactually on debian with my N900 right now :P |
| 11:36.37 | zsolt | how did you do that?:)i tryed it ,but the kernel doesn't boot |
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| 11:57.23 | Sicelo | gry :-) |
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| 14:19.30 | chem|st | kerio: pong |
| 14:21.53 | kerio | there's a candidate for comaintainer of TMO |
| 14:24.30 | chem|st | kerio: read about it |
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| 14:24.52 | chem|st | kerio: his name does not make a sound in my ears |
| 14:25.22 | chem|st | kerio: I replied to the emails as requested |
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| 14:41.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: HtheB well known on tmo |
| 14:41.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have no rating for his actions there though, due to my own rare attendance to tmo |
| 14:41.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | know he's been around for like forever |
| 14:42.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and never posted anything I'd have seen that annoyed me so much I'd keep a negative record with his nick |
| 14:43.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW no objections and a mild approval for authenticity from me |
| 14:43.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | rest up to you |
| 14:44.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | reject or grant as much power as you like |
| 14:45.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're our new "Reggie" :-D |
| 14:46.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw if you feel it's getting too much, we need to think about CSSU-S |
| 14:46.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU maintainer and tmo maintainer might become a tad too much on one plate |
| 14:47.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | again up to you, please holler if any discomfort sneaks in |
| 14:48.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all it's you (the volunteers) who keep maemo alive and define the requirements for doing that. Council and Board are just here to facilitate |
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| 14:54.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | only mandatory thing you should do: keep us informed so we can handle stuff proactively |
| 14:57.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, I see you've sent a mail. well, as I said, all up to you, you're the ultimate boss of tmo. There's no other boss besides you |
| 14:58.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | so also up to you to appoint a stand-in, in case you're not available |
| 14:59.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | please notice I explicitly did NOT suggest him for sysop/system-admin, just for tmo vBulletin maintainer under your control |
| 15:01.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | so your approach for tmo mod appointment seems all sane |
| 15:01.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and probably fine with HtheB as well |
| 15:02.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | please you two discuss this between the two of you, and keep us informed about the final decision |
| 15:03.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think any council member wants to push anything regading those topics, we're just suggesting. Your domain |
| 15:05.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | and Board, while legally being future 'owner' of tmo, probably shouldn't decide *anything* except rejecting too weird or problematic requests from council or maintainers |
| 15:06.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | *anything* regarding management of HR and administration, that is |
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| 20:05.57 | Sicelo | vi____: you have the best N900 keymap out there. nice :) |
| 20:07.40 | kerio | not enough italian accented letters though |
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| 20:09.56 | kerio | and not enough links to the magical battery that cures cancer and gives blowjobs |
| 20:10.07 | kerio | vi____: goddammit gimme a link vi |
| 20:11.50 | Sicelo | http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping |
| 20:12.04 | kerio | Sicelo: no, for the 1600mAh battery he found |
| 20:12.15 | Sicelo | ah |
| 20:12.17 | Sicelo | :P |
| 20:12.42 | Sicelo | get a gf ;-) |
| 20:19.36 | kerio | meh, i hope it's this "1700mAh high capacity battery" |
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| 21:38.44 | ShadowJK | what battery did he find? |
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| 21:41.11 | fasta | Has anyone ever sued anyone for spamming and won? |
| 21:45.11 | kerio | ShadowJK: a "1700mAh high capacity bl-5j" that has a measured capacity of 1600mAh |
| 21:45.18 | kerio | so... still pretty great |
| 21:45.37 | ShadowJK | link or anything? |
| 21:46.10 | kerio | it should be this one: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1700mAh-BL-5J-Battery-for-Nokia-5523-5230-5230-Nuron-5800XM-5800-XpressMusic-C3-00-N900/312109846.html |
| 21:46.32 | kerio | looks shady as fuck though |
| 21:50.39 | ShadowJK | China post not offered :( |
| 21:50.52 | kerio | i got china post for italy |
| 21:53.28 | ShadowJK | first it said can't ship to Netherlands, I changed to Finland, and it only offered ems :( |
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| 21:54.20 | kerio | sucks |
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| 22:21.21 | f3bruary | whazaaaaaaaa |
| 22:22.25 | f3bruary | so in which file do the repo sources get set ? |
| 22:22.27 | f3bruary | I found several |
| 22:22.51 | f3bruary | you know the sources.list but then for n900 |
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| 22:25.17 | f3bruary | not everyone at once |
| 22:27.00 | kerio | f3bruary: we're not all here for you |
| 22:27.07 | kerio | we're all volunteers |
| 22:27.42 | f3bruary | i understand |
| 22:27.43 | kerio | f3bruary: the "catalogues" you set in HAM (Application Manager) are saved in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-something |
| 22:27.48 | kerio | but you're not supposed to change that manually |
| 22:27.58 | f3bruary | thanks |
| 22:28.05 | kerio | you can, of course, add your own file in sources.list.d or even edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:28.20 | f3bruary | doing it in the application manager takes so long :( |
| 22:28.26 | kerio | HAM will correctly see those repos, he will refuse to edit them however |
| 22:28.33 | kerio | yep, HAM sucks |
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| 22:40.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fam |
| 22:40.57 | infobot | i guess fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it ever again |
| 22:41.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | why 'again' ??? |
| 22:41.36 | f3bruary | I use it and never have problems with it |
| 22:42.06 | f3bruary | ~ham |
| 22:42.06 | infobot | methinks ham is Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Slow like molasses. anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does |
| 22:42.20 | f3bruary | lol |
| 22:42.26 | f3bruary | ~help |
| 22:42.30 | f3bruary | ~info |
| 22:42.34 | f3bruary | ~owner |
| 22:42.34 | infobot | TimRiker is my owner |
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| 22:42.41 | f3bruary | ic |
| 22:42.44 | kerio | infobot: no, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever |
| 22:42.44 | infobot | kerio: okay |
| 22:44.13 | f3bruary | infobot: Gordon Wood drastically underestimated the impact of social distinctions predicated upon wealth, especially inherited wealth. |
| 22:44.52 | f3bruary | I guess that's not okay |
| 22:45.04 | f3bruary | infobot: Justin Bieber is gay |
| 22:45.04 | infobot | okay, f3bruary |
| 22:45.09 | f3bruary | :D |
| 22:49.04 | teotwaki | ~forget about Justin Bieber |
| 22:49.04 | infobot | teotwaki: i didn't have anything called 'about justin bieber' to forget |
| 22:49.12 | teotwaki | ~forget Justin Bieber |
| 22:49.12 | infobot | teotwaki: i forgot justin bieber |
| 22:50.03 | teotwaki | ~lart f3bruary |
| 22:50.03 | infobot | blasts f3bruary with a huge firehose then strangles f3bruary with it |
| 22:57.22 | f3bruary | ~forget AIDS |
| 22:57.22 | infobot | i forgot aids, f3bruary |
| 22:57.34 | f3bruary | damn I wanted him to say the other thing |
| 22:57.45 | f3bruary | who made him remember aids ? |
| 22:58.19 | teotwaki | f3bruary: ok, who the fuck are you, and why are you messing with infobot? |
| 22:58.25 | teotwaki | ~chaninfo |
| 22:58.25 | infobot | 123/123 channels, 4745 users, 3415 unique: #debian/1240, #kde/377, #maemo/247, #gsoc/185, #asterisk/183, #harmattan/151, #wowuidev/150, #meego/143, #oe/131, #wowace/121, #webos-internals/95, #arm-netbook/94, #wowhead/92, #openmoko/80, #cubieboard/76, #utah/71, #openmoko-cdevel/65, #bzflag/61, #uclibc/59, #tomcat/57, #n9/55, #edev/54, #curseforge/47, #asterisk-dev/45, #htc-linux/45, #maemo-ssu/45, #/41, #elinux/35, #slug/32, #gllug/29, ... |
| 22:58.49 | f3bruary | just another n900 user |
| 23:01.27 | teotwaki | f3bruary: well, infobot isn't only used on maemo, as you can tell. It's shared by a great number of channels---please don't go around deleting factoids for no good reason. |
| 23:02.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | f3bruary: stop abusing infobot! |
| 23:02.23 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: how do you undo a forget? |
| 23:02.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~unforget aids |
| 23:02.31 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: Successfully recovered 'aids'. Have fun now. |
| 23:02.38 | teotwaki | ta |
| 23:02.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 23:02.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ignore f3bruary |
| 23:02.54 | infobot | error: chan #maemo is invalid. |
| 23:03.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm tempted to set glon |
| 23:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | bal ignore on |
| 23:04.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~status |
| 23:04.44 | infobot | Since Fri Dec 28 20:03:03 2012, there have been 15 modifications, 83 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 36 commands. I have been awake for 1d 3h 1m 41s this session, and currently reference 118862 factoids. I'm using about 23380 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 266.42/7.11 child 0.01/0 |
| 23:05.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo aids |
| 23:05.05 | infobot | aids -- created by ax7 <ax7@66-27-50-36.san.rr.com> at Sat Apr 28 06:00:03 2001 (4263 days); last modified 7m 43s ago by f3bruary; it has been requested 6 times, last by Jovar1 at Mon Oct 11 20:04:41 2010. |
| 23:05.31 | teotwaki | fuck me, that factoid is over 10 years old |
| 23:05.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: |
| 23:05.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | aids too |
| 23:05.55 | teotwaki | infobot is an older version of wikipedia |
| 23:06.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 23:06.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~aids |
| 23:06.10 | infobot | aids are what ody has from having so much gay sex |
| 23:06.21 | Sicelo | lol |
| 23:06.21 | f3bruary | lol |
| 23:06.26 | f3bruary | 1st |
| 23:06.27 | teotwaki | okay, granted, that one wasn't that interesting. |
| 23:06.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki aids |
| 23:06.46 | teotwaki | <Sicelo> lol |
| 23:06.47 | teotwaki | <f3bruary> lol |
| 23:07.06 | teotwaki | woah |
| 23:07.10 | teotwaki | wiki parsing sucks |
| 23:07.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't mess with infobot |
| 23:08.30 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: how often did you go down on Ricker in order to get op status on infobot? |
| 23:08.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | about 3 years constantly |
| 23:08.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 23:10.09 | teotwaki | I knew I should've written infobot |
| 23:12.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, alas I can't code in perl |
| 23:12.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise I might inprove the scheduler |
| 23:12.44 | tadzik | ~source |
| 23:12.44 | infobot | To build Debian packages from source code: first, add a deb-src line to your sources.list file. Then "apt-get build-dep _pkg_" and "apt-get -b source _pkg_" to retrieve the build-dependencies, and the source. The resulting .deb files will be in `pwd`. |
| 23:12.56 | tadzik | ~your source, you halfwit |
| 23:12.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: if you feel like submitting a patch for that, you might also get admin |
| 23:14.23 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: for the wiki stuff? |
| 23:14.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | for scheduler |
| 23:14.42 | teotwaki | scheduler? |
| 23:14.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | some module needed to make infobot stay online |
| 23:16.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | it seems it's doing some online plausibility checks, and schedules re-logins and channel /joins etc |
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| 23:16.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | since ircd7 it doesn't really work reliably anymore, especially on netsplits |
| 23:17.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Tim repeatedly moaned he'd need to rewrite it since it's crap |
| 23:18.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: also /msg nickserv info infobot |
| 23:20.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: or - to quote a related channel's topic: >>Welcome to the infobot channel || Latest version: 1.5.3 @ https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2241 || SVN: 1.5.4 http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ || Blootbot merged into infobot || apt/ibot/infobot/purl run by TimRiker<< |
| 23:20.56 | tadzik | yeah, I was looking for a git repo or such, but lost interest when everything pointed to sourceforge :P |
| 23:21.55 | teotwaki | tadzik: sourceforge provides svn and git hosting |
| 23:22.21 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: should be rewritten on twisted |
| 23:22.48 | tadzik | duh, this is one ancient Perl |
| 23:23.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~twisted |
| 23:23.53 | infobot | somebody said twisted was toastido@gmail.com, for paypal and chatter. He is also known in some circles as toastido. |
| 23:24.06 | tadzik | I wonder how much work would it be to move it to some battle-tested infrastructure, POE or AnyEvent::IRC |
| 23:25.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | this convo rapidly turns into gibberish for me |
| 23:26.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: twisted is *the* event-driven framework for python |
| 23:26.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 23:26.34 | kerio | it does everything well |
| 23:26.39 | kerio | (regarding I/O) |
| 23:26.50 | kerio | **everything** |
| 23:26.54 | kerio | including irc |
| 23:28.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | what was the friggin command to list all channels where I'm on the access list? |
| 23:29.49 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'm not sure there's such a command |
| 23:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | there is |
| 23:30.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | just I forgot the exact syntax |
| 23:30.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, I forgot the service and command name |
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| 23:32.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | /ns listchans |
| 23:33.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq :-o |
| 23:33.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | 28 |
| 23:34.22 | teotwaki | +AFRfiorstv |
| 23:34.24 | teotwaki | am I owner? |
| 23:34.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | F = founder (owner) |
| 23:35.05 | teotwaki | how do I drop the channel? |
| 23:35.13 | teotwaki | It's been used for a whole 2 years, methinks |
| 23:35.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | /cs drop? |
| 23:36.04 | teotwaki | cool |
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| 23:40.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: it's *not* been used for... ?? |
| 23:40.38 | teotwaki | no no |
| 23:40.42 | teotwaki | it was used for 2 years |
| 23:40.53 | teotwaki | roughly... 6 years |
| 23:40.55 | teotwaki | ago |
| 23:40.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | 12 years ago? |
| 23:41.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
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| 23:43.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | a tad of consolidation every now and then helps push the universe's entropy heat death a few minutes into the future |
| 23:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, probably not really |
| 23:44.00 | teotwaki | eh? |
| 23:44.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | since everything increases the total entropy |
| 23:44.07 | kerio | probably a few picoseconds |
| 23:44.19 | teotwaki | femtoseconds |
| 23:44.36 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but you don't necessarily create more entropy by reducing the amount of entropy created over time of some process |
| 23:44.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | end reducing local entropy particularly increases total entropy |
| 23:44.59 | kerio | you're not reducing the local entropy, you're reducing the increase over time of a specific process |
| 23:45.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | that would be true when we refrain from creating new useless channels. Dropping channels however reduces local entropy |
| 23:46.50 | teotwaki | 1 attosecond the time it takes for light to travel the length of three hydrogen atoms. |
| 23:46.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least the entropy in the logical system freenode |
| 23:47.06 | teotwaki | "For context, an attosecond is to a second what a second is to about 31.71 billion years, or twice the age of the universe." |
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| 23:47.29 | teotwaki | anyway |
| 23:47.31 | teotwaki | I'm off |
| 23:47.33 | teotwaki | 'later |
| 23:47.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
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| 23:47.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the entropy is increases but then it keeps increasing at a lower rate because of that channel |
| 23:47.56 | kerio | *increased |
| 23:48.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, interesting hypothesis |
| 23:48.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | might actually be correct |
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| 23:54.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is wrong with my typing lately? "END reducing.... "??? |
| 23:55.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously that should've been "and reducing...." |