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| 06:21.22 | iluminator105 | i was running cssu i tried dist-upgrade it boots up and then dies, i think i know what the problem is, i had a lockon bootup i forgot to remove it before dist-upgrade how can i get it going again do i have to hard reset |
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| 06:28.07 | robbiethe1st | If you don't have BackupMenu, you will have to reflash if you can't get into the OS |
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| 08:02.45 | iluminator105 | robbiethe1st i do have backup menu |
| 08:02.53 | iluminator105 | i can't bootup though |
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| 08:33.55 | kerio | iluminator105: dist-upgrade will prompt you to delete just about everything |
| 08:34.02 | kerio | why the hell would you say "go"? |
| 08:34.52 | iluminator105 | i didnt know that, well i did, but i wasnt thinking |
| 08:35.22 | iluminator105 | kerio, what would be the correct of upgrading? |
| 08:37.20 | iluminator105 | bbl |
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| 08:46.01 | kerio | if you have to ask, use HAM |
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| 09:19.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey, kerio suggests HAM |
| 09:20.11 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: my policy from now on is "if you're asking if you should use apt, you shouldn't use apt" |
| 09:20.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed it's a running gag "I did dist-upgrade now fecked, hlpplz!" |
| 09:20.49 | LaoLang_cool | why? I'm using apt, and happying with it |
| 09:21.04 | LaoLang_cool | apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 09:21.05 | kerio | LaoLang_cool: did you ask whether or not you should use it? |
| 09:21.19 | LaoLang_cool | kerio: no... |
| 09:21.39 | kerio | then you see |
| 09:21.50 | LaoLang_cool | I see you say "if you should use apt, you shouldnt use apt", I'm curious about that |
| 09:21.57 | LaoLang_cool | s/say/said/ |
| 09:22.55 | kerio | LaoLang_cool: given the metapackage bullshit that went on with nokia (and, sadly, still goes on with cssu because HAM is still HAM and there's not really a good way to fix it), using apt requires a bit of care |
| 09:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: read da whole sentence |
| 09:23.26 | kerio | and of course i said "if you *asked* if you should use apt" |
| 09:24.10 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer05, kerio, oh, I understand now :) |
| 09:24.34 | LaoLang_cool | sorry for reading msg without context |
| 09:24.42 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: merry sdlmess! |
| 09:24.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually reading half msg |
| 09:24.58 | LaoLang_cool | ok ;p |
| 09:25.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: thanks, same to you |
| 09:25.58 | kerio | this reminds me, i should check if my romset is still up to date |
| 09:26.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I should check my socks |
| 09:26.45 | kerio | still at 0.147, i'm skipping the "u" releases |
| 09:26.54 | kerio | should i download MESS roms too, i wonder |
| 09:27.49 | kerio | holy shit the chds for mess are 772gb |
| 09:34.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | +xmess |
| 09:34.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~xmess |
| 09:34.15 | infobot | methinks xmess is the X Multi Emulator Superior System, http://x.mame.net/, or ask me about xmame |
| 09:34.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~xmame |
| 09:34.34 | infobot | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/xmame |
| 09:34.37 | kerio | xmame/xmess are discontinued, they were merged in mainline |
| 09:35.08 | kerio | and now they're called sdlmame/sdlmess, or just mame/mess |
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| 09:39.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mame |
| 09:39.04 | infobot | well, mame is interest's hidden wowhead alt. |
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| 09:39.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: wtf, arcade games emulator |
| 09:39.57 | kerio | *the* emulator |
| 09:40.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know, she doesn't |
| 09:40.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you sounded like her |
| 09:40.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 09:41.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is ~mame? |
| 09:41.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't even parse here |
| 09:41.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | interest's hidden wowhead alt - WTF?! |
| 09:41.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo mame |
| 09:41.58 | infobot | mame -- created by bignose-work <bignose@zipperii.zip.com.au> at Wed Jun 7 07:11:15 2000 (4584 days); last modified at Thu Jul 23 16:15:55 2009 by Interest!n=mame_wow@97-113-102-153.tukw.qwest.net; it has been requested 7 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 2m 54s ago. |
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| 09:43.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 09:43.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-12-25 10:43:28] [Whois] mame is ~mame@71.5.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp (Yusuke Endoh) |
| 09:46.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mame is *the* emulator. xmame/xmess are discontinued, they were merged in mainline and now they're called sdlmame/sdlmess, or just mame/mess |
| 09:46.51 | infobot | ...but mame is already something else... |
| 09:47.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, mame is *the* emulator. xmame/xmess are discontinued, they were merged in mainline and now they're called sdlmame/sdlmess, or just mame/mess |
| 09:47.06 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 09:48.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~xmame is also see mame |
| 09:48.21 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 09:51.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the e*_s of this world: /msg info mame. somebody used that nick when it been long known for the software, and he even abandoned the registration. now somebody else is using that nick despite there's a valid though expired nickserv registration. So I'm reclaiming original meaning for infobot |
| 09:51.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | /msg nickserv info mame |
| 09:51.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | even |
| 09:53.22 | Sicelo | hmm, i've borked my N900. |
| 09:53.35 | Sicelo | no services run now, eg dnsmasq |
| 09:53.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 09:54.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | what did you do? |
| 09:54.33 | Sicelo | what i did was to adjust the size of MyDocs & /home/. |
| 09:54.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh! |
| 09:54.45 | Sicelo | according to GPrated, all went well |
| 09:54.52 | Sicelo | *Parted |
| 09:55.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, "rated" was correct ;-P |
| 09:55.35 | Sicelo | lol |
| 09:56.08 | Sicelo | otherwise the N900 seems to still be working ok :-/ |
| 09:56.35 | Sicelo | loopback interface doesn't work unless i bring it up using ifconfig |
| 09:57.23 | Sicelo | and of course, with dnsmasq not running, i have to manually set /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:59.24 | Sicelo | hmm, no audio |
| 10:00.50 | Sicelo | mplayer works though, with sound. |
| 10:01.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you more or less borked your /opt |
| 10:01.45 | Sicelo | having not made a recent backup, lol, maybe i'm looking at a reflash, eew |
| 10:02.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | see |
| 10:02.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 10:02.13 | infobot | hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 10:02.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you go for a reflash |
| 10:02.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might want to patch your image for more /home |
| 10:03.01 | Sicelo | i'm going to compare my current /opt with the last one i backed up |
| 10:03.13 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: meh, the 768mb that you gain by removing the swap partition are good enough imo |
| 10:03.16 | kerio | :D |
| 10:03.31 | Sicelo | my /home was 8GB, but now i resized it to 6GB |
| 10:03.48 | kerio | Sicelo: how did you resize it, exactly? |
| 10:04.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | downsizing never really works, I'd say |
| 10:04.27 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: resize2fs via usb mass storage from a recent linux would've made it work |
| 10:04.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | you probably nuked 25% of your /opt |
| 10:05.11 | Sicelo | i used gparted. when i expanded /home a year ago, i used the same tool without any issues |
| 10:05.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | only that /home isn't exported via mass storage |
| 10:05.20 | kerio | ...WHAT |
| 10:05.22 | kerio | just gparted? |
| 10:05.34 | Sicelo | yes |
| 10:05.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ofc i meant the whole emmc exported via g_file_storage from rescueos or backupmenu |
| 10:05.49 | Sicelo | backupmenu here |
| 10:06.10 | kerio | hm, apparently gparted can also shrink/grow ext3 |
| 10:06.21 | Sicelo | it can |
| 10:06.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | it starts with "G", it can't work |
| 10:06.34 | kerio | haha |
| 10:07.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | NB grep starts with "gr" |
| 10:07.12 | kerio | gparted starts with "gp" |
| 10:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 10:07.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not GP-arted |
| 10:07.42 | kerio | g rep |
| 10:07.57 | Sicelo | i have to look carefully at the init scripts & other related ones. |
| 10:08.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | you got NFC what grep means, do you? |
| 10:08.22 | Sicelo | i'm sure my solution lies there, or rather, i suppose |
| 10:08.32 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: g/re/p |
| 10:08.56 | Sicelo | dnsmasq works ok if i start it manually for example.. |
| 10:11.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: I'd start with checking syslog |
| 10:12.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | carefully |
| 10:12.18 | Sicelo | sure. i will. thanks :-) |
| 10:14.39 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: gnome/regular expression/printf :P |
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| 10:19.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lart kerio |
| 10:19.39 | infobot | hits kerio with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 10:23.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~weather EDDN |
| 10:23.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq |
| 10:24.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~weather EDDN |
| 10:24.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 10:25.48 | dhbiker | 70kph winds here :< |
| 10:26.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a bit too much |
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| 10:30.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually I do holiday near LXGB to enjoy similar weather during xmess |
| 10:30.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~weather LXGB |
| 10:31.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm well, 5°C more |
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| 11:26.47 | Sicelo | it appears that my problems stemmed from u-boot |
| 11:26.57 | Sicelo | now all is back to normal |
| 11:27.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: no dnsmasq since uBoot? DUH! |
| 11:28.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't sound right |
| 11:29.24 | Sicelo | lol, like my changes to the FS. been using u-boot happily, until i made changes to partitions. after removing u-boot, all works fine, heh |
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| 11:29.48 | Sicelo | s/like/i guess u-boot didn't like/ |
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| 12:48.12 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 12:48.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wb |
| 12:48.35 | infobot | thx |
| 12:48.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+uptime |
| 12:49.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+status |
| 12:49.19 | infobot | Since Tue Dec 25 12:47:18 2012, there have been 0 modifications, 1 question, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1 command. I have been awake for 2m 1s this session, and currently reference 118847 factoids. I'm using about 18392 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1.89/0.08 child 0/0 |
| 12:49.29 | thedead1440 | 0 morons? |
| 12:50.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | moron is when somebody gives a command that's totally fsckdup and way too long |
| 12:50.14 | thedead1440 | ah |
| 12:50.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | she answers sth like "you lost me on that one" |
| 12:51.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it doesn't really work |
| 12:51.18 | thedead1440 | ~why does DocScrutinizer05 kick your ass every now and then? |
| 12:51.18 | infobot | why not? |
| 12:51.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 12:51.38 | thedead1440 | haha |
| 12:54.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal cmd: why (.*?) |
| 12:54.40 | infobot | "cmd: why (.*?)" is "($foo): <reply> why not?" |
| 12:54.56 | thedead1440 | ah no wonder |
| 12:57.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~why do infobots suck donkeyballs |
| 12:57.41 | infobot | Because the Kleenex elf hates infobots. |
| 12:59.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal cmd: why do (.*?) suck(.*?) |
| 12:59.06 | infobot | "cmd: why do (.*?) suck(.*?)" is "($1,$2): <reply> Because (God|the underpants gnome|the Kleenex elf|RMS's pet gnu|Tux|your mommy|your daddy|your girlfriend) hates $1." |
| 13:00.52 | thedead1440 | oh god you really work on this |
| 13:01.50 | Hurrian | ~why have you not obtained the kleenex-elf |
| 13:01.50 | infobot | why not? |
| 13:03.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo cmd: why do (.*?) suck(.*?) |
| 13:03.08 | infobot | cmd: why do (.*?) suck(.*?) -- created by greycat <~wooledg@imadev.eeg.ccf.org> at Tue Oct 8 14:14:49 2002 (3730 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 5m 27s ago. |
| 13:03.30 | thedead1440 | 10 years and used only 3 times? |
| 13:03.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | the statistics seem to get reset every now and then |
| 13:03.56 | thedead1440 | ah |
| 13:04.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo joerg |
| 13:04.37 | infobot | joerg -- created by jOERG <n=jr-N810@p5493F5D9.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Oct 23 12:00:02 2008 (1524 days); it has been requested 45 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 20h 12m 38s ago; it has been locked by jOERG. |
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| 13:04.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 13:04.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | not frequently though |
| 13:05.30 | thedead1440 | ah so you joined here with the n810 |
| 13:05.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys why |
| 13:06.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | lots of factoids created by morons thinking it's funny to start their post with bot's attention char |
| 13:07.24 | thedead1440 | hehe |
| 13:08.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes when bored, I clean up the factoid database from such crap |
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| 13:08.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget another confuse not clear , why |
| 13:08.29 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot another confuse not clear , why |
| 13:08.44 | thedead1440 | lol |
| 13:08.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget any one experience with the jtag cable - why |
| 13:08.45 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot any one experience with the jtag cable - why |
| 13:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget by the way, if you're wondering why the channel |
| 13:09.05 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot by the way, if you're wondering why the channel |
| 13:09.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget do you know why libm |
| 13:09.24 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot do you know why libm |
| 13:09.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget dont see why it shouldnt be, it |
| 13:09.46 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot dont see why it shouldnt be, it |
| 13:10.00 | thedead1440 | wow |
| 13:10.12 | thedead1440 | this is like moderating TMO in a way :p |
| 13:10.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not doing this very often |
| 13:10.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | just feeling bad when I don't, after some listkeys shown such crap |
| 13:11.06 | thedead1440 | understood |
| 13:12.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal +, why |
| 13:12.08 | infobot | "+, why" is "Tangent the one that is lucky?" |
| 13:12.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget +, why |
| 13:12.28 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot +, why |
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| 13:13.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo - why |
| 13:13.04 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: no extra info on - why |
| 13:13.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo "- why" |
| 13:13.26 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as "- why" |
| 13:13.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | GRRR |
| 13:13.39 | thedead1440 | ~why not? |
| 13:13.39 | infobot | why not? |
| 13:13.47 | thedead1440 | hehe beat it :D |
| 13:13.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~- why |
| 13:13.51 | infobot | well, - why is the char width and height so important? |
| 13:14.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget - why |
| 13:14.15 | infobot | i forgot - why, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 13:14.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~- why |
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| 13:14.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 13:15.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo "? why" |
| 13:15.06 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as "? why" |
| 13:15.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo ? why |
| 13:15.31 | infobot | ? why -- created by novent93 <n=root@bdsl.66.14.125.60.gte.net> at Wed Oct 26 15:43:32 2005 (2616 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. |
| 13:16.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~? why |
| 13:16.00 | infobot | rumour has it, ? why is that, not root but why can't i speak? |
| 13:16.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget ? why |
| 13:16.17 | infobot | i forgot ? why, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 13:17.51 | FIQ|n900 | ~why |
| 13:17.51 | infobot | Because! |
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| 13:36.58 | thedead1440 | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php this link was posted by thp on tmo; freemangordon isn't it scratchbox after all? |
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| 13:41.07 | freemangordon | thedead1440: you need that token in SB |
| 13:41.31 | freemangordon | to enable "nokia-binaries" repo |
| 13:41.37 | thedead1440 | so its a random generated one everytime you install scratchbox? |
| 13:42.01 | freemangordon | no, it is constant |
| 13:42.02 | thedead1440 | if we have the nokia-binaries wouldn't it make the token redundant then? |
| 13:42.21 | thedead1440 | oh ok |
| 13:42.22 | freemangordon | the token is not random generated |
| 13:42.25 | freemangordon | :D |
| 13:42.43 | freemangordon | I am not sure I get the idea behind that :) |
| 13:42.52 | thedead1440 | me too :S |
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| 13:54.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | it seems to me in recent SB installs the token already ships with the installation |
| 13:54.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | or it's not needed anymore |
| 13:55.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway it seemed to me that I had nokia binaries installed, without fuzzing around with that token |
| 13:56.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could be wrong |
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| 13:58.07 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: that's what i think too; the scratchbox.org/debian/dists/fremantle/ link seems to have nokia-binaries |
| 13:58.14 | FredrIQ|n900 | hm, according to TMO, flash 10 is now available.. how and when did that happen? |
| 13:58.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | it 'leaked' from TI(?) page, and I think it's basically useless |
| 13:59.18 | FIQ|n900 | "basically useless" well it's not faster or anything I guess |
| 13:59.53 | FIQ|n900 | but I once tried to run a flash game on n900 which apparently requires flash 10.. just faking version number wasn't enough due to random glitches |
| 14:00.02 | FIQ|n900 | so a working flash 10 would be neat |
| 14:00.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that version afaik is not "working" |
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| 14:00.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | since it's not built for maemo |
| 14:00.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's 'generic' |
| 14:00.53 | FIQ|n900 | I understand |
| 14:01.07 | FIQ|n900 | So it works worse than the 9.5 version? |
| 14:01.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically that's what I heard |
| 14:01.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 14:01.28 | Gear | what's the command to jam up wireless |
| 14:01.31 | FIQ|n900 | Ok |
| 14:01.42 | FIQ|n900 | Thanks for the info anyway :p |
| 14:01.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw, but please take it with a grain of salt |
| 14:02.23 | Gear | if a bunch of people with iphones are playing some stupid wireless game, what's the command you can do that "jams" the wifi in an area around your n900 |
| 14:02.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | no way you should feel discouraged to test for yourself, YMMV |
| 14:02.43 | FIQ|n900 | yeah I'll look into it |
| 14:02.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gear: aah, that one |
| 14:03.13 | FIQ|n900 | but you said it was leaked ... I assume it's not that easy to get hold of then |
| 14:03.28 | FIQ|n900 | as legal issues may arise if it's simply posted randomly in tmo |
| 14:03.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.knownokia.ca/2010/09/quiet-response-to-n900-laughs.html |
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| 14:04.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | (^^^ jam) |
| 14:04.42 | *** mode/#maemo [+o teotwaki] by ChanServ |
| 14:05.14 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: lol |
| 14:05.22 | *** topic/#maemo by teotwaki -> Merry Christmas and season's greetings! Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 14:05.49 | Gear | yeah I'm not great with "hacking" |
| 14:05.57 | jaska | hahaha |
| 14:06.18 | Gear | do I replace RiVERDALE with whatever the wifi showing is |
| 14:07.22 | Gear | and does the wifi SSID have to be completely open, what if it's password protected? |
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| 14:08.22 | FIQ|n900 | Gear: use common sense for the first question, I bet it'll be enough |
| 14:08.28 | FIQ|n900 | dunno about the latter |
| 14:09.27 | Gear | ok I'll try it on this laptop here |
| 14:09.38 | Gear | I spose if I disconnect it worked |
| 14:10.29 | FIQ|n900 | remember, software like this should only be used to test your own network's security to let you fix issues :) |
| 14:11.46 | Gear | I was going to use it at the airport to hack into the control tower and bring down planes |
| 14:11.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gear: read the comments |
| 14:12.00 | Gear | has to be open wifi |
| 14:12.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | on that blog |
| 14:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need powerkernel and the injection drivers for wl12xx |
| 14:13.22 | Gear | I have cleven |
| 14:13.29 | Gear | and powerkernel and all the usual upgrades |
| 14:13.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it doesn't matter if the AP/wifi-network is hidden-SSID or encrypted by wep or wpa* |
| 14:13.48 | Gear | well, I can't seem to bring my own one down |
| 14:13.53 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: has cssu done any patches to apt? |
| 14:14.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: possible |
| 14:14.14 | FIQ|n900 | like the stupid localization weirdness about confirmation dialogs? |
| 14:14.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc nokia crippled apt to obey some OVI shite. |
| 14:14.53 | FIQ|n900 | (in swedish localization, apt outputs english but expect swedish input for confirmations) |
| 14:14.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | also iirc eventually MohammadAG rolled that back |
| 14:15.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | BWAHAHA nice |
| 14:15.21 | FIQ|n900 | I.e. "do this? [y/N] y" will abort |
| 14:15.36 | FIQ|n900 | you'll have to type "j" (as in ja, "yes") instead |
| 14:15.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | or do `LANG=C apt foo bar` |
| 14:16.09 | FIQ|n900 | yeah that works too |
| 14:16.17 | FIQ|n900 | but is kind of hackish |
| 14:16.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 14:16.37 | FIQ|n900 | better to fix apt in the long run :p |
| 14:16.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | l10n for apt feels insane anyway |
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| 14:17.09 | FIQ|n900 | the fix should be minor, because "y" doesn't conflict in swedish anyway (no is "nej", so...) |
| 14:17.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | thinks no tool in man 8 should obey locale |
| 14:17.25 | FIQ|n900 | either allow both y and j, or only j |
| 14:17.31 | FIQ|n900 | er |
| 14:17.33 | FIQ|n900 | only y* |
| 14:17.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather, root account shouldn't have any specific locale |
| 14:18.45 | Gear | what's "wlan0" ? |
| 14:18.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, probably the problem is incorrectly logging in to root via sudo gainroot instead of `root` |
| 14:19.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gear: your wlan interface |
| 14:19.09 | Gear | which wlan interface |
| 14:19.15 | Gear | the n900 one? |
| 14:19.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 14:19.27 | Gear | it said no such device |
| 14:19.35 | Gear | and I have it in injection mode |
| 14:19.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | then it's not enabled |
| 14:19.58 | Gear | <-- genius |
| 14:20.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ifconfig will tell you |
| 14:20.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: marry's xmess |
| 14:21.06 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: you toobe |
| 14:21.37 | Gear | no such BSSID available |
| 14:21.50 | Gear | when I typed the correct one in (mine) |
| 14:22.47 | Gear | aint workin |
| 14:23.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Gear: iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 14:24.13 | Gear | interface doesn't support scanning? |
| 14:24.16 | Gear | what the |
| 14:24.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | if your SSID is hidden, you might need to use the Address instead |
| 14:24.36 | Gear | I have the packet injection drivers loaded and it's in monitor mode |
| 14:24.38 | Gear | it's not hidden |
| 14:24.46 | Gear | it is using wpa2 though |
| 14:24.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | in monitor mode it doesn't support scanning |
| 14:25.04 | Gear | oh. |
| 14:25.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | monitor mode is special |
| 14:26.37 | teotwaki | Gear: don't use the injection drivers if you're not actively using them. |
| 14:26.54 | Gear | it won't work at all |
| 14:28.16 | Gear | I'll try some other time |
| 14:34.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | "messy xmer" was a nice reply to my "merry xmess" |
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| 15:41.11 | MetalGearSolid | Hi |
| 15:42.05 | MetalGearSolid | After updating u-boot from 2012.04 to 2012.10-rc3-1 I can no longer boot power51 kernel |
| 15:42.23 | MetalGearSolid | Only the attached u-boot kernel can boot |
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| 15:49.10 | Sicelo | you need the zImage for KP51 |
| 15:49.45 | Sicelo | quickest way to get it is to install kernel-power-bootimg |
| 15:50.01 | kerio | MetalGearSolid: did you run u-boot-update-bootmenu ? |
| 15:50.23 | MetalGearSolid | yes did that |
| 15:50.30 | MetalGearSolid | i already had kp51 installed |
| 15:50.41 | MetalGearSolid | and it could boot wid prior u-boot version |
| 15:50.59 | MetalGearSolid | although i did not uninstall the previous uboot version before updating |
| 15:51.44 | Sicelo | you shot yourself in the foot. anyway, get the zImage first. you won't get anywhere without it |
| 15:52.10 | MetalGearSolid | i have the zimage in /boot |
| 15:52.22 | MetalGearSolid | do i need to reinstall power-bootimage |
| 15:52.48 | Sicelo | you have zImage for KP51 in /boot? |
| 15:52.55 | MetalGearSolid | yes |
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| 15:53.26 | Sicelo | in that case, you need to also have a correct item file in /etc/bootmnu.d/ |
| 15:53.48 | Sicelo | * /etc/bootmenu.d/ |
| 15:54.24 | Sicelo | mine is like this.. |
| 15:54.28 | MetalGearSolid | yes |
| 15:54.29 | MetalGearSolid | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.39 | Sicelo | ITEM_NAME="Maemo 5 / KP51" |
| 15:54.39 | Sicelo | ITEM_KERNEL="zImage-kp51" |
| 15:54.43 | Sicelo | ITEM_OMAPATAG="1" |
| 15:55.10 | MetalGearSolid | same here |
| 15:55.17 | MetalGearSolid | zImage name is different |
| 15:55.39 | MetalGearSolid | zImage-2.6.28.10-power51 |
| 15:56.23 | Sicelo | of course. hmm, i'd say uninstall all versions of u-boot you have, reinstall a kernel (eg KP 51) then start again with u-boot |
| 15:56.58 | MetalGearSolid | shouldn't the sequence be |
| 15:57.17 | MetalGearSolid | uninstall u-boot , install it back, reinstall kp51 bootimage |
| 15:57.28 | MetalGearSolid | ? |
| 15:57.40 | Sicelo | try that too |
| 16:00.05 | MetalGearSolid | ok thanks |
| 16:02.58 | MetalGearSolid | btw what is the different between zImage and uImage |
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| 16:27.57 | kerio | MetalGearSolid: did you or did you not run u-boot-update-bootmenu again? |
| 16:28.35 | MetalGearSolid | i did |
| 16:28.51 | kerio | and? does the entry appear in the bootmenu? |
| 16:29.06 | MetalGearSolid | yes all the item configs are listed |
| 16:29.12 | kerio | but they don't work? |
| 16:29.24 | MetalGearSolid | none other than attached kernel |
| 16:29.34 | kerio | with what error message? |
| 16:29.38 | kerio | (if any) |
| 16:29.39 | MetalGearSolid | previously i could even boot 3.5 Arch kernel |
| 16:29.48 | MetalGearSolid | now even that cannot boot |
| 16:29.57 | kerio | also, does your eMMC have a vfat partition as the first one? |
| 16:30.11 | kerio | and is that partition, in fact, mounted as MyDocs in maemo? |
| 16:30.46 | MetalGearSolid | If i open omap-fb |
| 16:30.55 | MetalGearSolid | i get some errors related to ubifs |
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| 16:31.22 | MetalGearSolid | cannot open uni0:rootfs |
| 16:31.29 | kerio | hm, are you on the latest uboot? |
| 16:31.32 | MetalGearSolid | *ubi0:rootfs |
| 16:31.37 | MetalGearSolid | yes |
| 16:31.42 | MetalGearSolid | just updated today |
| 16:31.43 | kerio | oh, did you make your own bootmenu entry? |
| 16:31.45 | MetalGearSolid | rc3 |
| 16:31.54 | kerio | you probably need to pass OMAPATAGS |
| 16:32.01 | MetalGearSolid | i did that also |
| 16:32.02 | kerio | er, sorry, OMAPATAG |
| 16:33.40 | MetalGearSolid | do i need to have uImage in MyDocs\bootmenu.d |
| 16:34.11 | kerio | MetalGearSolid: you need to have a zImage-kp51 file there, after you run u-boot-update-bootmenu |
| 16:34.22 | MetalGearSolid | yes zImage is there |
| 16:34.38 | kerio | why did you make your own bootmenu file, btw? |
| 16:35.01 | kerio | you're missing ITEM_OMAPATAG=1 |
| 16:35.09 | MetalGearSolid | Ohh i did not |
| 16:35.11 | kerio | oh no wait, it's ther |
| 16:35.13 | kerio | e |
| 16:35.22 | MetalGearSolid | I was using old u-boot 2012-04 |
| 16:35.28 | kerio | hm, perhaps you have to remove the "" around it? it probably doesn't matter |
| 16:35.32 | MetalGearSolid | with the same item configs |
| 16:35.39 | kerio | MetalGearSolid: the old uboot had problems with hw revs different from 2101 |
| 16:35.40 | MetalGearSolid | all of them worked |
| 16:35.54 | MetalGearSolid | when i updates i changed reusetag to omapatag |
| 16:35.57 | kerio | ~pkg |
| 16:35.57 | infobot | from memory, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 16:36.50 | kerio | hm, it *should* work |
| 16:36.55 | MetalGearSolid | it says that i need to append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 16:37.10 | kerio | are you sure that that zImage is KP51? |
| 16:37.18 | MetalGearSolid | yes |
| 16:37.33 | MetalGearSolid | i re-nstalled power-bootimage |
| 16:37.40 | MetalGearSolid | then ran update bootmenu |
| 16:38.02 | kerio | and you're sure you installed the latest uboot in extras-devel |
| 16:38.06 | kerio | hm |
| 16:38.34 | MetalGearSolid | btw during start it say mmc1 (part 0) is current device |
| 16:39.05 | kerio | if you have a uSD inserted, the emmc is mmc1 i think |
| 16:39.22 | MetalGearSolid | u-boot 2012-10.rc3 |
| 16:45.33 | Sicelo | once you start getting those errors, reflash kernel |
| 16:46.02 | MetalGearSolid | i just reflashed |
| 16:46.19 | Sicelo | which kernel? |
| 16:46.56 | MetalGearSolid | power-bootimage kp51 |
| 16:47.16 | kerio | that's not flashing a kernel |
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| 16:49.24 | ampharos | Does anyone here know what kinda power the N800 wants? It doesn't like 5V/500mA USB is outputting - it's PSU says it outputs 5v/890mA |
| 16:53.35 | kerio | i'd say 5v and enough As |
| 16:54.24 | Sicelo | MetalGearSolid: delete MyDocs/bootmenu.img.d/ and MyDocs/bootmenu.scr. uninstall u-boot* . switch off and reflash stock kernel. then you can reinstall your uboot again.. it does take some patience sometimes.. i've also got the ill-fated 2204 revision of N900 |
| 16:55.16 | ampharos | well it seems like 500 isn't enough |
| 17:00.19 | kerio | ampharos: i'd say at least 1 |
| 17:00.31 | kerio | to charge properly when the battery is near-empty |
| 17:02.23 | ShadowJK | no |
| 17:02.35 | ShadowJK | 5.00V is not allowed |
| 17:02.49 | kerio | :o |
| 17:04.21 | ShadowJK | 5.2V with 1000mA current limit, 5.5V 700mA limit up to 11V 100mA limit |
| 17:04.57 | ShadowJK | the current limit must be implemented through powersupply dropping voltage to limit the current |
| 17:06.45 | kerio | wat |
| 17:06.48 | kerio | really |
| 17:07.07 | kerio | so it needs a special charger |
| 17:07.10 | kerio | weak :s |
| 17:09.13 | ShadowJK | It's so that it can reliable identify if someone tries to charge with usb |
| 17:09.43 | ShadowJK | 4.8 - 5.2V is thenot accepted zone |
| 17:09.58 | kerio | isn't it a different plug? |
| 17:10.11 | ShadowJK | sure |
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| 17:13.00 | ShadowJK | http://www.http://www.herjulf.se/solar/charge-station/Nokia_2-mm_DC_Charging_Interface_Specification_v1_2_en.pdf |
| 17:13.08 | ShadowJK | wonders if that link works |
| 17:15.13 | jaska | need a http gtld |
| 17:15.25 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 17:15.35 | ShadowJK | past fiailed a bit |
| 17:15.49 | ShadowJK | http://www.herjulf.se/solar/charge-station/Nokia_2-mm_DC_Charging_Interface_Specification_v1_2_en.pdf |
| 17:16.00 | ShadowJK | pasting from google has become so difficult |
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| 17:21.00 | ampharos | back; I don't have the battery installed, it was a broken one, so my N800 is operating commando |
| 17:21.52 | ShadowJK | batteryless operation of N8x0 through charging port is definitely not recommended |
| 17:22.35 | kerio | why not? |
| 17:22.40 | ShadowJK | There's no regulation |
| 17:22.41 | kerio | brownouts? |
| 17:22.44 | kerio | i see |
| 17:22.46 | kerio | like laptops then |
| 17:22.52 | ShadowJK | no |
| 17:23.05 | ShadowJK | Laptops are fine without batteries |
| 17:23.19 | ampharos | reinstalled the battery, will try again at 5v/500mah |
| 17:23.34 | ShadowJK | ampharos; you need 5.4V / 500mA |
| 17:23.45 | ShadowJK | 5.00 is rejected |
| 17:24.52 | ampharos | yeah, turns right on with 5v 500ma |
| 17:25.05 | ampharos | this time, battery is installed, thing's plugged into PC |
| 17:25.17 | kerio | the PC won't do shit wrt power |
| 17:26.10 | ShadowJK | Also the original N8x0 batteries were utter shite. If it's more than a year old or if it was empty more than couple of weeks it's ripe for replacement |
| 17:26.49 | ampharos | i am replacing it, just using orig battery |
| 17:27.21 | ShadowJK | they usually go so bad that the device rejects it and reboots when you try charge it :) |
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| 17:28.51 | ampharos | but yeah, this aftermarket can just seem to turn it on and charge it in the little charging OS |
| 17:29.01 | ampharos | the N800 gives up charging in maemo |
| 17:29.24 | ShadowJK | On N900 the charger circuit on the phone converts the incoming 5V to 4.2V from battery. With some software changes you can make N900 run without battery, as long as you never exceed the max power the charging circuit can provide. |
| 17:29.27 | ampharos | I'll continue using the OEM PSU when I get the new battery |
| 17:30.53 | merlin1991 | ShadowJK: have those sw changes been done (documented) ? |
| 17:31.32 | ShadowJK | On N8x0 there's no conversion, the incoming power is fed straight to battery, there's just on/off control. That's why the voltages and current limits matter. Also, if you were trying to force it to run without battery, the internal power rails would have a lot higher voltage than designed for, because the battery is supposed to suck up and absorb the extra |
| 17:31.44 | ShadowJK | merlin1991; "battery hotswap" on tmo, iirc |
| 17:32.16 | ampharos | Was looking into getting an N900 though. I have a fuckton of the batteries the N900 uses; mainly because my mother has like 3 C3-00s |
| 17:32.22 | ShadowJK | battery hotswap is roughly what it's useful for, radio power bursts tend to be too high for 1A charge to cope with |
| 17:37.19 | ampharos | Thanks guys. I'm still kinda bitter the Maemo community adbandoned the N8x0 as soon as the N900 dropped |
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| 17:40.51 | kerio | ampharos: but the n900 is better! :c |
| 17:41.53 | ampharos | but I don't liek cell phones :( |
| 17:42.24 | kerio | good, it's not a cell phone :D |
| 17:42.40 | merlin1991 | ampharos: it's a linux gadget that happens to have phone features :D |
| 17:44.18 | Aoyagi_joytop | Does it have any special HW features except the thing that it can lean on? :) |
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| 17:46.41 | merlin1991 | fm transmitter |
| 17:46.52 | merlin1991 | and we have paket injection drivers for the wlan chip |
| 17:47.05 | Aoyagi_joytop | If it's the same FM transmitter that N97 uses, then well.... |
| 17:47.10 | ShadowJK | ampharos; you can buy one of my N900s, all its phone features are dead |
| 17:47.17 | ampharos | I'm hoping Jolla does do something like the N800 for people who don't want to pay the price hike for a modem though. Seriously, those seem to make up the markup of most phones I see. |
| 17:47.35 | ampharos | Shipping anywhere but Canada is insanely expensive. |
| 17:47.38 | Aoyagi_joytop | And yeah, I have no idea what packet injections are. YET. |
| 17:47.54 | ShadowJK | ampharos; ? |
| 17:47.58 | merlin1991 | Aoyagi_joytop: it's what you need to haxxor wireless networks ;) |
| 17:48.06 | Aoyagi_joytop | That I figured :D |
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| 17:49.26 | ShadowJK | ampharos; btw, I recently bought an A-data ultra high speed uhs-i card for my N800, and put swap on it. Big improvement |
| 17:49.47 | ampharos | yeah, I put in a spare 2 GB SD card into it |
| 17:49.56 | ampharos | it's probably faster than the original 128 MB card |
| 17:50.12 | ampharos | which for some reason is an miniSD in an adapter. I have no idea why. |
| 17:50.55 | ShadowJK | In general, until this card I mentioned, cards have only gotten slower for random i/o since N800 came out |
| 17:51.12 | ShadowJK | so I wouldn't be so sure that 512M is slower :P |
| 17:51.25 | Aoyagi_joytop | Wait, N900 uses full sized cards? |
| 17:51.34 | ShadowJK | No |
| 17:51.43 | ShadowJK | N800 has 2 full sized SD slots |
| 17:51.49 | Aoyagi_joytop | oh |
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| 17:51.53 | ShadowJK | N810 has 1 minisd slot |
| 17:51.53 | Aoyagi_joytop | cool |
| 17:52.00 | ShadowJK | N900 has 1 microsd slot |
| 17:52.06 | Aoyagi_joytop | Yeah, figures. |
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| 18:13.06 | kerio | ampharos: are you kidding me |
| 18:13.17 | kerio | jolla will make an android clone, pretty much |
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| 18:13.35 | ampharos | yeah. N9 looks like iClone |
| 18:13.55 | ampharos | still the community can probably fix the abortion that will be tizen or whatever it is today |
| 18:14.01 | ampharos | it changes every .4 femtoseconds |
| 18:14.14 | kerio | all we want, really, is cordia HD |
| 18:19.02 | ampharos | i just want a Nxx0 with modern specs |
| 18:19.29 | kerio | mobile data is useful, though |
| 18:19.37 | ampharos | it's too damn expensive here |
| 18:19.44 | ampharos | REALLY expensive |
| 18:19.55 | kerio | well, don't use it then |
| 18:19.59 | kerio | don't ruin this for us |
| 18:20.37 | ampharos | maybe a little port the modem and friends reside on |
| 18:21.01 | ampharos | I wondered why they never did that: you can switch GSM bands or even to a LTE or CDMA modem by swapping them out |
| 18:21.39 | kerio | because it increases the complexity by A TON |
| 18:22.09 | kerio | (complexity is measured in weight) |
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| 18:26.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | anybody ever used jojodiff (jdiff)? |
| 18:26.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | any tips on what parameters to use for best compression (aka most accurate diff) and optimum speed? |
| 18:30.32 | merlin1991 | new CSSU-testing is live |
| 18:35.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 18:36.05 | infobot | hands merlin1991 a full cookiejar |
| 18:36.24 | infobot | ... and a fat cigar |
| 18:36.45 | merlin1991 | thanks infobot |
| 18:36.49 | merlin1991 | ;) |
| 18:37.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | she likes to get called 'apt' today |
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| 18:37.36 | kerio | thanks apt |
| 18:37.36 | infobot | kerio: de nada |
| 18:38.06 | kerio | but she's infobot! |
| 18:38.08 | merlin1991 | well then thanks apt :D |
| 18:38.29 | merlin1991 | though her text parsing isn't that context aware :D |
| 18:39.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 18:39.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks is first word she checks for, then apt anywhere in sentence I guess |
| 18:39.55 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: no problem |
| 18:40.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | while thanks as second word doesn't get recognized even when last word is apt |
| 18:41.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | funny enough she doesn't accept apt as direct call |
| 18:41.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt: cookie |
| 18:41.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+uptime |
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| 18:42.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems random whether she comes up as apt, infobot, or purl |
| 18:43.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~die |
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| 18:44.15 | *** topic/#maemo is Merry Christmas and season's greetings! Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 18:44.23 | Aoyagi_joytop | omg zombie |
| 18:44.29 | kerio | hi infobot |
| 18:44.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+uptime |
| 18:44.45 | kerio | who the hell is purl |
| 18:44.47 | kerio | infobot: you're infobot |
| 18:44.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 18:46.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~info cron |
| 18:47.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why apt |
| 18:47.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~purl |
| 18:47.35 | infobot | rumour has it, purl is arrogant |
| 18:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki purl |
| 18:48.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | uaergh |
| 18:49.27 | Aoyagi_joytop | Ale! I'd like some purl please. |
| 18:49.53 | kerio | ~die |
| 18:49.54 | infobot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 18:50.10 | Aoyagi_joytop | Of course you're lifeless, damn zombie. |
| 18:50.19 | kerio | she's not a zombie! :( |
| 18:50.48 | Aoyagi_joytop | What else is dead then then it comes in yelling something about ale from worms? |
| 18:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol, and she got a very fine sense of humor: takes TWO shots in the head |
| 18:54.49 | SpeedEvil | merry CMAs all! |
| 18:54.52 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 18:54.54 | SpeedEvil | Xmas |
| 18:55.12 | kerio | merry sdlmess |
| 18:55.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | messy xmer, SpeedEvil |
| 18:56.57 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
| 18:58.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Equal bytes = 483374417 |
| 18:58.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Data bytes written = 568871461 |
| 18:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Overhead bytes written = 9051165 |
| 18:58.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | real 20m33.384s |
| 18:58.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | user 9m43.002s |
| 18:58.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | sys 2m33.515s |
| 18:59.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops, ECHAN |
| 18:59.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway that's what you get by running jdiff against 2 HARM firmware.bin |
| 19:00.01 | Aoyagi_joytop | O.o |
| 19:00.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 19:00.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd suspected more identical parts in two arbitrary HARM firmwares of same revision |
| 19:01.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, you probably could get that compression factor with mere bzip2 |
| 19:02.30 | Aoyagi_joytop | Oh... you don't mean the missiles. |
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| 19:07.45 | ShadowJK | Archos actually makes tablet with internal usb port for modem |
| 19:08.25 | ShadowJK | I heard it's silly power hungry compared to having a proper modem :) |
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| 20:48.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | USB *is* power greedy |
| 20:48.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | even ULPI |
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| 20:49.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | but recently more modem chips with ULPI interface (pleonasm) appear |
| 20:50.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | see OMAP3 Mentorgraphics MUSB core - it eats 60mA just for being active |
| 20:54.14 | SpeedEvil | it's a pity more stuff doesn't actively fallback to usb1 |
| 20:55.37 | kerio | less power-hungry? |
| 20:55.54 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 20:56.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | still not exactly IRQ driven |
| 20:56.22 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 20:56.45 | kerio | well, as they say... |
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| 20:58.16 | SpeedEvil | but, the raw protocol is lots lower power to drive |
| 20:58.28 | SpeedEvil | as it's glacially slow |
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| 21:14.02 | kakashi_ | how do I reinstall the contacts on maemo |
| 21:14.16 | kakashi_ | its giving me a terrible problem since a couple of days |
| 21:17.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | kakashi_: you probably need to clean up and re'install' the database |
| 21:20.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | the files are /home/user/.osso-abook/* |
| 21:21.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | the package name is osso-addressbook |
| 21:22.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no simple advice (except reflash and restore maemo-backup) on how to fix stuff in there |
| 21:22.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least I wouldn't know of any |
| 21:23.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe somebody else has better advice for you |
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| 21:29.12 | FIQ|n900 | uhh |
| 21:29.30 | FIQ|n900 | the psx4m installscript seems to have a typo on removal |
| 21:29.42 | FIQ|n900 | "dpkg - warning: while removing psx4m-gui, directory `/home/opt' not empty so not removed." at least it wasn't rm -rf |
| 21:30.15 | FIQ|n900 | has no idea where to bugreport stuff related to packages |
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| 21:34.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: against the package, on bugtracker |
| 21:34.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | if bugtracker still works |
| 21:35.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | otoh each package is supposed to have a bugreport link on package interface |
| 21:35.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 21:35.38 | infobot | somebody said pkg was http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 21:36.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | often that links to a tmo thread |
| 21:37.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly what a nasty bug |
| 21:38.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: http://maemo.org/packages/view/psx4m/ |
| 21:39.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: you also should demote the pkg in testing |
| 21:41.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/psx4m/0.4.5-3/ thumb down, comment with bug description |
| 21:41.41 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: I'll check it |
| 21:42.56 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: hmm looks like psx4m, but dpkg said the problem was with the package psx4m-gui |
| 21:43.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you'll manage to spot the right page for that |
| 21:43.48 | FIQ|n900 | checks around |
| 21:43.55 | FIQ|n900 | yeah, i'll look it up |
| 21:44.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/ search, click, click "testing" |
| 21:45.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | no testing for the gui ;-P |
| 21:45.56 | FIQ|n900 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/psx4m-gui/ looks like it's in devel |
| 21:46.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 21:46.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | still has a bugtracker link |
| 21:46.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | pointing to tmo - surprise surprise |
| 21:46.40 | FIQ|n900 | :P |
| 21:46.53 | FIQ|n900 | tmo isn't really an organized place for reporting bugs |
| 21:47.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | for stuff under development it's just fine |
| 21:48.05 | FIQ|n900 | wont things potentially go unnoticed? |
| 21:49.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, given the severity and potential damage of that bug, you should *also* try to send a PM to the two devels |
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| 21:50.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | also leave a comment on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/psx4m-gui/0.4-6.14.11/ |
| 21:51.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | though it might be in read-only mode at the moment |
| 21:51.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | try it anyway |
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| 21:54.09 | FIQ|n900 | "you must be logged in" what kind of account exactly? garage? (all the different kind of accounts on maemo.org is kinda confusing imo) |
| 21:54.18 | FIQ|n900 | @ commenting on stuff |
| 21:54.38 | FIQ|n900 | "stuff" aka the package |
| 21:54.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | erryep, this should be garage SSO iirc |
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| 21:55.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think garage and maemo.org in general have only one account/login, tmo has its own |
| 21:56.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least clicking on "register" beams you to a screen mentioning garage |
| 21:57.35 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: yes but it's in read-only mode atm |
| 21:57.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 21:57.46 | FIQ|n900 | so I can't create a new account |
| 21:58.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | you couldn't even login with existing account |
| 21:58.30 | FIQ|n900 | well I don't have any so it wouldn't help me if it worked :P |
| 21:58.49 | FIQ|n900 | but i'll try to pm devs |
| 22:01.15 | kerio | huh? |
| 22:01.16 | kerio | NOTABUG |
| 22:01.30 | kerio | or, well, NOTREALLYABUG |
| 22:01.41 | FIQ|n900 | kerio: elaborate |
| 22:02.02 | kerio | psx4m-gui adds the /home/opt directory |
| 22:02.05 | kerio | which is already there, so it's ok |
| 22:02.19 | kerio | so, on delete dpkg tries to delete it |
| 22:02.33 | kerio | but it fails, because there's also something else there |
| 22:02.37 | kerio | so it's ok |
| 22:02.43 | kerio | because there's *always* something there |
| 22:02.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | errnope, I was able to login |
| 22:03.17 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: ok, but I can't register |
| 22:03.20 | FIQ|n900 | kerio: hmm |
| 22:03.22 | kerio | like /usr/share/fonts, in a standard install |
| 22:04.42 | FIQ|n900 | so it shouldn't be reported then? |
| 22:04.51 | kerio | hmm |
| 22:04.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: dafaq, when /home/opt doesn't exist, it's nonsense if a package creates it, since it's supposed to be a symlink from /opt |
| 22:04.55 | kerio | at best it's "bad form" imo |
| 22:05.24 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: dafaq are you saying |
| 22:05.33 | kerio | /home/opt is the actual directory |
| 22:05.42 | kerio | /opt is the bindmount |
| 22:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | packages aren't supposed to create system stuff |
| 22:05.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | nor delete it |
| 22:05.50 | FIQ|n900 | you guys are conflicting.. |
| 22:05.52 | kerio | as i said, bad form |
| 22:06.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: what I said |
| 22:06.08 | FIQ|n900 | speaking of bad form |
| 22:06.11 | FIQ|n900 | I also got this |
| 22:06.24 | kerio | FIQ|n900: i suppose that the bug is that it uses /home/opt instead of /opt |
| 22:06.26 | FIQ|n900 | dpkg - warning: while removing psx4m-gui, directory `/home/user/.config/Team16/psx4m' not empty so not removed. |
| 22:06.45 | kerio | that's even more bad form, yes |
| 22:06.56 | FIQ|n900 | should removal really fiddle with user directory? |
| 22:06.57 | kerio | packages shouldn't put stuff in /home, really |
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| 22:07.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: and no pkg is supposed to delete /bin or /usr/bin, nor /opt, and for sure not /home/opt |
| 22:07.06 | FIQ|n900 | s/removal/install/ |
| 22:07.28 | FIQ|n900 | ..package installs, that is |
| 22:07.58 | FIQ|n900 | kerio: I've noticed another thing regarding software created by team16 (i.e. emulators) |
| 22:08.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, this pkg has no idea where *my* 7opt actually lives! |
| 22:08.13 | kerio | it's packaged like crap because they don't know wtf they're doing? |
| 22:08.14 | FIQ|n900 | They seem to chmod 777 *everything* they create |
| 22:08.17 | kerio | hahaha wat |
| 22:08.19 | kerio | nice |
| 22:08.30 | kerio | FIQ|n900: why are you even considering their packages? |
| 22:08.58 | FIQ|n900 | kerio: because there wasn't another option.. except possibly creating my own package |
| 22:09.10 | FIQ|n900 | the software is good |
| 22:09.10 | kerio | it's a ps1 emulator on a n900 |
| 22:09.12 | FIQ|n900 | the packaging is bogus |
| 22:09.14 | kerio | the best option is to not use it |
| 22:09.18 | kerio | because it's going to be disappointing |
| 22:09.28 | FIQ|n900 | kerio: I've already been |
| 22:09.32 | FIQ|n900 | hence removal |
| 22:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 22:10.08 | FIQ|n900 | Their ported GBA emulator on the other hand worked perfectly, but has same strange packaging issues |
| 22:10.27 | kerio | installing in /home/opt is definetely a bug actually |
| 22:10.28 | FIQ|n900 | (just as ps1 emulator had) |
| 22:10.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | those guys should do 2 years on windows3.11, as a punishment for their packaging |
| 22:11.05 | kerio | it wouldn't be punishment, they'd feel fine |
| 22:11.18 | FIQ|n900 | lol |
| 22:11.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably they're actually doing that all the time :-o |
| 22:13.08 | kerio | also installing what i think are default settings from the package |
| 22:13.16 | kerio | instead of having them somewhere and copying them in the user directory |
| 22:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 22:14.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't need to hear more about that |
| 22:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already found right drawer for those "maintainers" |
| 22:14.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing you could add will change that drawer they're in |
| 22:15.33 | FIQ|n900 | kerio: regarding ps1 emulation, I used an earlier made ps1 emulator which actually worked w/minor slowdown before, I tried this one mostly because users seemed to like it but it was actually worse (it ran fullspeed but with horrible sound and MAJOR random slowdowns every now and then) :p |
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| 22:18.56 | FIQ|n900 | ~jr-tools |
| 22:18.56 | infobot | jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 22:19.13 | FIQ|n900 | messed up his xchat config |
| 22:19.22 | FIQ|n900 | time to copy/paste someone's :3 |
| 22:23.21 | FIQ|n900 | kerio: /opt is bindmount to /home/opt |
| 22:23.54 | FIQ|n900 | or whoever said it was the opposite |
| 22:25.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody said the opposite |
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| 22:25.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I said symlink though, i guess |
| 22:26.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | which doesn't matter after all |
| 22:26.44 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you said the opposite, you said that /home/opt is supposed to be a symlink from /opt |
| 22:27.05 | kerio | wait, symlink *from*? |
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| 22:28.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah FROM |
| 22:28.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E /opt is the symlink |
| 22:28.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | pointing to 7home/opt |
| 22:28.35 | FIQ|n900 | when is migration done btw? |
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| 22:28.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | when it's done |
| 22:28.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: "/home/opt is supposed to be a symlink" |
| 22:28.50 | FIQ|n900 | ok |
| 22:29.05 | lnxmen | Hello |
| 22:29.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | we got no clear ETA |
| 22:29.16 | FIQ|n900 | ok |
| 22:29.17 | FIQ|n900 | hi lnxmen |
| 22:29.20 | lnxmen | I can't save my photos... |
| 22:29.41 | kerio | after a recent cssu update? |
| 22:30.02 | lnxmen | maybe, week ago I upgrade everything |
| 22:30.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: wtf are you telling? |
| 22:30.21 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the camera-ui issue that people who broke stuff in ~ had |
| 22:30.22 | merlin1991 | lnxmen: recent cssu update was today, so can't be that |
| 22:30.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't care |
| 22:30.50 | merlin1991 | but there's that ofc :) |
| 22:30.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | you told "/home/opt is supposed to be a symlink" |
| 22:31.06 | kerio | that's what you said |
| 22:31.15 | kerio | a symlink can't be "from" |
| 22:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ORLY?? BS! |
| 22:31.19 | FIQ|n900 | uhh |
| 22:31.43 | FIQ|n900 | sorry for unknowingly trolling the channel |
| 22:31.52 | kerio | FIQ|n900: nah, it's just me |
| 22:31.55 | FIQ|n900 | merlin1991: is thumb updated? |
| 22:32.15 | FIQ|n900 | well I was the one who started it.. |
| 22:32.32 | kerio | FIQ|n900: not yet |
| 22:32.38 | FIQ|n900 | ok |
| 22:32.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | home/opt is symlinked from /opt |
| 22:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^true correct statement |
| 22:33.03 | FIQ|n900 | *bindmounted |
| 22:33.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, on maemo it's indeed mount -bind |
| 22:33.52 | lnxmen | Any ideas about my problem? |
| 22:34.24 | FIQ|n900 | lnxmen: it might have been caused by a semi recent cssu update |
| 22:34.26 | kerio | lnxmen: what's the content of your /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs file? |
| 22:34.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: check what's your setting for camera storage |
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| 22:34.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: might point to non-existing uSD |
| 22:35.20 | lnxmen | I haven't this file |
| 22:35.47 | kerio | lnxmen: why? :s |
| 22:35.47 | FIQ|n900 | lnxmen: are you on cssu? |
| 22:36.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: then that's your problem I guess |
| 22:36.40 | lnxmen | DocScrutinizer05: I can't check my setting for camera storage... |
| 22:36.41 | FIQ|n900 | ~curlpaste |
| 22:36.52 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
| 22:37.40 | lnxmen | cssu? I didn't install it... |
| 22:38.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: if you're missing that file, you don't need to check your settings in camera. Just out of curiosity: why can't you check that setting? |
| 22:38.22 | FIQ|n900 | Hm, there's wgetpaste on my desktop (which pastebins stdin), something similar was possible with curl and somek site... any idea what I'm talking about? |
| 22:38.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | paste2pastebin? |
| 22:38.49 | FIQ|n900 | s/somek/some/ |
| 22:38.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: just to be sure, can you check if you have that file on t900? |
| 22:38.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have it |
| 22:39.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | on iroN900 |
| 22:39.10 | lnxmen | because setting file doesn't exist? |
| 22:39.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | t900 duh, wouldn't bother to check, tbh |
| 22:39.49 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: which one is the stock one? |
| 22:40.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, t900 is the pr1.2+ stock one |
| 22:40.12 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: well, a simple shellscript allowing me to paste stdin to a pastebin site :P |
| 22:40.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: yeah, that stuff tends to break for me every 3 months, so I have to get a new script from somewhere |
| 22:41.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | a few days ago I found kde's taskbar pastebinner |
| 22:41.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | on N900 I had pastebinit for long time, I guess it's broken now |
| 22:43.26 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: I'll check it |
| 22:43.34 | FIQ|n900 | seems to be in repos |
| 22:44.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# pastebinit /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs |
| 22:44.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api |
| 22:44.25 | kerio | :( |
| 22:44.33 | FIQ|n900 | worked fine |
| 22:44.38 | FIQ|n900 | ty |
| 22:44.42 | FIQ|n900 | ehm |
| 22:44.48 | FIQ|n900 | for me it worked |
| 22:44.48 | FIQ|n900 | :P |
| 22:44.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh |
| 22:45.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I should update it |
| 22:45.13 | FIQ|n900 | v1.3 |
| 22:45.13 | FIQ|n900 | here |
| 22:45.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I should enable devel repo :-S |
| 22:45.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq |
| 22:46.14 | kerio | you should :D |
| 22:46.18 | kerio | >:D |
| 22:46.28 | FIQ|n900 | http://pastebin.com/3WsVRdjs is my userdirs also |
| 22:46.43 | kerio | FIQ|n900: same here |
| 22:50.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | GOD! that takes longer than africa-erope geotectonic merge |
| 22:50.39 | jaska | well, thats less than proton decay |
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| 22:52.57 | lnxmen | hmm if I save it - will it work? |
| 22:53.48 | lnxmen | I mean user-dirs.dirs |
| 22:54.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | DAMN!!! |
| 22:54.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: probably |
| 22:57.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, it finally displays those 9 updates |
| 22:57.45 | lnxmen | At the moment it doesn't work. Should I reboot my N900? |
| 22:57.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | so this were like 10min for enabling extras catalog and listing updates |
| 22:58.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: probably |
| 22:58.27 | lnxmen | okay |
| 22:58.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least those values are meant to be shell env |
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| 22:59.33 | FredrIQ|n900 | uh? |
| 22:59.53 | FredrIQ|n900 | I cp-ed a directory from ~ to mydocs |
| 23:00.02 | FredrIQ|n900 | It proceed to copy stuff |
| 23:00.09 | FredrIQ|n900 | Then suddenly the whole system froze |
| 23:00.20 | FredrIQ|n900 | and now my time is set to show 12h clock |
| 23:00.20 | lnxmen | Still doesn't work -,- |
| 23:00.29 | FredrIQ|n900 | I fail to see the relevance here |
| 23:00.42 | FredrIQ|n900 | between 12h clock and cp-ing a usermade directory |
| 23:02.08 | FIQ|n900 | Everything else was unchanged but this setting |
| 23:02.14 | FIQ|n900 | It doesn't make any sense for me |
| 23:02.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: weird things happen |
| 23:02.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: lemme put it this way: probably that setting is stored in a gconf key |
| 23:03.09 | FIQ|n900 | uh |
| 23:03.12 | FIQ|n900 | ok |
| 23:03.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# pastebinit /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs |
| 23:03.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://pastebin.com/d79fYQPk |
| 23:03.31 | FIQ|n900 | this gconf thing |
| 23:03.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks a lot :-D |
| 23:03.40 | FIQ|n900 | reminds me of windows registry |
| 23:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | it actually *is* |
| 23:03.59 | FIQ|n900 | ..not just by randomly breaking, but the structure of it |
| 23:04.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | didn't you know gnome is a copy of windows? |
| 23:04.32 | FIQ|n900 | well... |
| 23:04.38 | FIQ|n900 | I don't use gnome :p |
| 23:04.42 | FIQ|n900 | DE, that is |
| 23:04.55 | FIQ|n900 | and don't want to think of it too much |
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| 23:05.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I start to frown as soon as any tool starts with a 'g' |
| 23:05.30 | FIQ|n900 | hahah |
| 23:05.37 | FIQ|n900 | but ehm |
| 23:05.58 | FIQ|n900 | so how much of the system is stored in the wannabe windows registry? |
| 23:06.09 | FIQ|n900 | I know the hold=sym thing is |
| 23:06.09 | lnxmen | what about reinstall camera soft? |
| 23:06.23 | FIQ|n900 | but how much of system config is |
| 23:06.25 | FIQ|n900 | ? |
| 23:09.38 | lnxmen | with blessn900 pictures can be stored |
| 23:10.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | please check your storage location setting in camera-ui |
| 23:10.53 | lnxmen | where can I check this? |
| 23:11.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | in stock camera it's the icon lower left the second |
| 23:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | next to counter for "free" pictures |
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| 23:16.58 | lnxmen | free pictures for me is equal to 0 |
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| 23:17.17 | lnxmen | my storage setting is shadowed |
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| 23:20.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, now that's weird |
| 23:20.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you have a uSD inserted? |
| 23:20.52 | FredrIQ|n900 | \nick FIQ|n900 |
| 23:20.55 | lnxmen | DocScrutinizer05: nope |
| 23:21.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you? |
| 23:21.29 | lnxmen | No I haven't |
| 23:22.25 | lnxmen | Lastly I had inserted to check this slot |
| 23:22.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: please paste the output of ~# ls -ld /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/ |
| 23:22.46 | lnxmen | And I didn't make any pictures from this time |
| 23:23.00 | lnxmen | I did some pictures |
| 23:23.17 | lnxmen | so something should be in this path |
| 23:24.56 | lnxmen | just a moment |
| 23:26.22 | lnxmen | drwxrwxrwx 2 user root 65536 Dec 25 22:37 /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/ |
| 23:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo foo >/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/x |
| 23:26.45 | lnxmen | from root? |
| 23:26.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | from user |
| 23:27.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/x |
| 23:28.18 | lnxmen | echo foo... works without message |
| 23:28.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O Dec 25 22:37 ?? |
| 23:28.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | what did you do at 22:37? |
| 23:28.44 | lnxmen | I don't know |
| 23:29.06 | lnxmen | N900 Clock show me '00:28' |
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| 23:29.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems this directory didn't exist before, so no wonder camera couldn't store pics to it |
| 23:30.33 | lnxmen | nope, it existed |
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| 23:31.16 | lnxmen | I have some photos maked 20 days ago |
| 23:31.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 23:31.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | in that dir? |
| 23:31.40 | lnxmen | yes |
| 23:31.46 | lnxmen | 27 Nov |
| 23:31.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm |
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| 23:31.54 | lnxmen | 5 Dec x2 |
| 23:31.57 | lnxmen | 11 Dec |
| 23:32.07 | lnxmen | and x file - today |
| 23:32.21 | FIQ|n900 | something fiddled with the perms? |
| 23:32.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | please do ~# killall camera-ui |
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| 23:32.28 | FIQ|n900 | (or someone) |
| 23:32.35 | lnxmen | from root :D |
| 23:32.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: perms are ok'ish |
| 23:32.43 | lnxmen | and? |
| 23:33.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | then restart/open camera and check if you could take pictures |
| 23:33.32 | Hurrian | Anyone know where the Maemo 5 QEMU images are? |
| 23:33.45 | Hurrian | I downloaded the Qt SDK and they're still nowhere to be found. |
| 23:34.07 | lnxmen | still I can't |
| 23:34.09 | FIQ|n900 | "maemo 5 qemu" "qt sdk" |
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| 23:34.16 | FIQ|n900 | doesn't maemo 5 use scratchbox? |
| 23:34.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops, you need root to do the killall camera-ui |
| 23:34.45 | lnxmen | I know |
| 23:34.51 | lnxmen | I did it by root |
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| 23:35.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm short of simple ideas |
| 23:35.09 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: you said as root earlier :p |
| 23:35.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | strace camera-ui |
| 23:35.19 | Hurrian | FIQ|n900, there's a QEMU image included with the Qt SDK for emulation purposed |
| 23:35.21 | FIQ|n900 | can't camera-ui show some kind of error? |
| 23:35.25 | Hurrian | s/purposed/purposed/ |
| 23:35.33 | Hurrian | eeh. |
| 23:35.43 | lnxmen | I need to install strace yet... |
| 23:35.45 | FIQ|n900 | @ DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 23:36.22 | lnxmen | this command from user whether root? |
| 23:37.40 | FIQ|n900 | Hurrian: now that's an interesting substitution |
| 23:37.53 | Hurrian | FIQ|n900, meh, quite sleepy. |
| 23:37.54 | FIQ|n900 | but ok |
| 23:38.23 | Hurrian | I cannot, for the life of me find the Maemo 5 QEMU images :( |
| 23:40.58 | lnxmen | http://pastebin.com/eBtZ0Up9 by root |
| 23:41.30 | lnxmen | should I create this directories? |
| 23:42.17 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
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| 23:44.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | dsmetool -k /usr/bin/camera-ui |
| 23:45.12 | lnxmen | done |
| 23:45.15 | lnxmen | without errors |
| 23:45.17 | lnxmen | by root |
| 23:45.58 | Hurrian | FIQ|n900: I'm looking for something like this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49011, but IIRC there's a Fremantle image built by Nokia built just for running inside QEMU. |
| 23:46.01 | lnxmen | still nothing -,- |
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| 23:47.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | dsmetool kills your default camera-ui |
| 23:48.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you can start a new one as user |
| 23:48.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:48.16 | FIQ|n900 | Hurrian: sorry I haven't used qt sdk, but perhaps http://doc.qt.digia.com/qtcreator/creator-developing-maemo.html can help (ctrl-f "qemu") |
| 23:48.48 | Hurrian | even the new Nokia Qt SDK doesn't include Fremantle emulator images. |
| 23:48.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you're lucky it will spit out something to stdout, though I doubt it will, since it's actually /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch that gets started, via maemo-launcher |
| 23:48.55 | lnxmen | DocScrutinizer05: I know, and I started this from menu |
| 23:49.42 | nox- | Hurrian, maybe they're in the vmdk.s like http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Server_SDK_Virtual_Image.zip |
| 23:50.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo-launcher spans a new process, which load camera-ui.launch as a "dll", then the process renames itself to camera-ui |
| 23:50.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | spawns* |
| 23:50.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ $ ls -l /usr/bin/camera-ui |
| 23:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Nov 10 06:00 /usr/bin/camera-ui -> /usr/bin/maemo-invoker |
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| 23:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: your strace only shown that maemo-invoker passing environment vars to the maemo-launcher |
| 23:52.35 | lnxmen | so what I should log for you? |
| 23:52.43 | nox- | Hurrian, i have it ~maemo/.madde/0.6.72/runtimes/rx51-fremantle-pr12 |
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| 23:56.53 | Hurrian | nox-, ooh, that's nice. |
| 23:57.28 | lnxmen | Czyszczenie z plików konfiguracyjnych dla camera-ui ... // settings removed |
| 23:57.31 | nox- | https://maemoteam.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/updates-madde-sdk-and-vmware-images/ |
| 23:57.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: that's actually not simple |
| 23:58.06 | Hurrian | hmm, let's see if any newer MADDE includes Fremantle PR1.3. |
| 23:58.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | something along the line of strace -p `pidof maemo-launcher` <-doesn't work |
| 23:59.17 | lnxmen | so you mind my camera won't be working until I buy a card? |
| 23:59.56 | FIQ|n900 | lnxmen: is mydocs formatted as fat32? |