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| 00:20.41 | unclouded | didn't know about apt-file |
| 00:20.51 | unclouded | JZA, you can also list packages with "dpkg -l | grep perl" |
| 00:21.05 | Snafu | . |
| 00:21.06 | unclouded | and files within packages with "dpkg -L perl-base" |
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| 01:03.24 | gregoa | JZA: perl-modules: /usr/share/perl/5.8.3/utf8_heavy.pl |
| 01:03.27 | gregoa | JZA: perl-base: /usr/share/perl/5.8.3/utf8.pm |
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| 01:33.12 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, that's sad. |
| 01:33.17 | GeneralAntilles | Twitter wants me to follow lcuk. |
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| 01:44.48 | SpeedEvil | :-\ |
| 01:50.42 | JZA | gregoa: thanks that helped perl-modules solve the issue |
| 01:51.20 | gregoa | JZA: cool |
| 01:51.43 | JZA | I finally got some sort of twitter client working, tweetgo stop working a month ago :( |
| 02:02.12 | merlin1991 | JZA: there is a fixed tweego on tmo |
| 02:02.37 | JZA | tmo? |
| 02:02.38 | merlin1991 | JZA: see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1285988#post1285988 |
| 02:02.41 | merlin1991 | ~tmo |
| 02:02.41 | infobot | i guess tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. |
| 02:02.49 | JZA | ok |
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| 02:11.22 | JZA | yay merlin1991 it worked |
| 02:11.25 | JZA | :) |
| 02:11.39 | JZA | now if I can only get ytube fixed that would be the most productive night :D |
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| 02:35.05 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
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| 05:27.34 | thedead1440 | robbiethe1st: ping |
| 05:28.19 | robbiethe1st | Pong |
| 05:28.31 | thedead1440 | any success with the n770 pid? :D |
| 05:31.46 | robbiethe1st | lets see |
| 05:31.54 | robbiethe1st | it says: |
| 05:32.04 | robbiethe1st | "code: 0631695" |
| 05:32.26 | robbiethe1st | "wlan: 00164E98A113" |
| 05:32.37 | thedead1440 | the wlan works |
| 05:32.39 | thedead1440 | i'm in |
| 05:32.39 | robbiethe1st | "BT: 0012D108155B" |
| 05:32.51 | robbiethe1st | Perfect. |
| 05:33.09 | thedead1440 | thanks! downloading them now! |
| 05:33.30 | thedead1440 | damn |
| 05:33.37 | thedead1440 | it seems like they broke it :( |
| 05:34.25 | thedead1440 | nokia seem to have put dead links up there :( can't be mirrored then |
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| 05:36.32 | thedead1440 | anyway thanks for the help :) |
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| 05:59.53 | robbiethe1st | thedead1440, what one did you need? |
| 06:00.55 | robbiethe1st | I've got some of the images downloaded /somewhere/... |
| 06:04.55 | robbiethe1st | would "SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin" and "SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2008.7-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin" be helpful? |
| 06:05.59 | robbiethe1st | I've alsp got "kernel-sdhc-48MHz-3.2006.49.tar.gz" and "modules-3.2006.49-2.tar.gz" if that's helpful; someone's hacked kernel(which worked nicely at the time) |
| 06:06.13 | robbiethe1st | I think that was the thing that enabled SDHC support as well... |
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| 06:18.28 | thedead1440 | robbiethe1st: sorry was afk; yup those seem to be the latest versions so those would be sufficient i guess. I have no idea as we are just backing up for those who ever need it in the future... |
| 06:18.45 | robbiethe1st | Got some place I can upload it to? |
| 06:18.55 | thedead1440 | sure i'll give you a ftp to upload to? |
| 06:19.08 | robbiethe1st | K |
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| 07:29.46 | int_ua | where should we collect broken packages? One thread on TMO started collecting reports |
| 07:30.19 | int_ua | Also, someone yesterday mentioned ffmpeg. But it's not broken, just outdated, right? |
| 07:30.40 | thedead1440 | int_ua: yup not broken just outdate |
| 07:30.46 | thedead1440 | s/outdate/outdated/ |
| 07:35.10 | robbiethe1st | I love having 16GB of ram. Uploaded a 60MB file via FTP, then realize I want a md5sum for it. Run md5sum... and it returns the code in like a tenth of a second |
| 07:36.04 | Hurrian | robbiethe1st, <3 big ram for virtualization. |
| 07:36.13 | robbiethe1st | yeah |
| 07:38.58 | Hurrian | I'm currently running OS X, with an Ubuntu VM assigned 8GB RAM building fresh kernels, and I'm taking no performance hits. |
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| 10:13.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | HO HO HOO |
| 10:13.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | said the fat man with coca cola red suit |
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| 10:33.33 | kerio | merry christmas |
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| 11:12.43 | jon_y | ~unity |
| 11:12.43 | infobot | Unity through Diversity!, or a multiplatform game development tool, designed from the start to ease creation. A fully integrated professional application, Unity just happens to contain the most powerful engine this side of a million dollars. |
| 11:12.58 | jon_y | ~poetering |
| 11:13.05 | jon_y | ~poethering |
| 11:13.29 | jon_y | who was the gnome3 dev again? |
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| 11:24.32 | tadzik | ~poettering |
| 11:24.32 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' |
| 11:24.42 | tadzik | but I don't think he's a gnome3 dev really |
| 11:24.55 | kerio | he's just a poettering little bastard |
| 11:25.24 | jon_y | heh, that name |
| 11:25.52 | jon_y | he's the manager for gnome3? |
| 11:28.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pity dauthor doesn't work |
| 11:28.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+help dauthor |
| 11:29.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dauthor poettering |
| 11:29.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+dauthor poettering |
| 11:30.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+dauthor *poettering* |
| 11:30.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+dauthor .*oettering.* |
| 11:30.33 | jon_y | ~+dauthor poetter |
| 11:30.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's broken I think |
| 11:31.07 | jon_y | let's try a common name |
| 11:31.12 | jon_y | ~+dauthor adam |
| 11:31.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh |
| 11:31.27 | jon_y | looks like it's working :) |
| 11:31.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe mr poettering isn't relevant for debian? |
| 11:32.36 | jon_y | I think ubuntu |
| 11:33.31 | jon_y | stop correcting my spelling google |
| 11:33.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 11:34.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's definitely broken is ~google |
| 11:34.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+help google |
| 11:34.50 | jon_y | ~+google MSDN |
| 11:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's probably why it isn't enabled |
| 11:35.06 | jon_y | ~+google google MSDN |
| 11:35.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chanset _default |
| 11:35.22 | infobot | Default channel settings |
| 11:35.22 | infobot | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.22 | infobot | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.22 | infobot | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.23 | infobot | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.28 | kerio | OH GOD WHAT |
| 11:35.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | anybody seeing google in there? |
| 11:35.53 | jon_y | no idea what just happen |
| 11:36.01 | thedead1440 | nah no google |
| 11:36.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chanset #maemo +Google |
| 11:36.24 | infobot | Setting Google for #maemo to '1'. |
| 11:36.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | here you are |
| 11:36.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chanset #maemo |
| 11:36.50 | infobot | chan: #maemo (see _default also) |
| 11:36.50 | infobot | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+google google google |
| 11:38.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly doubt it ever worked |
| 11:38.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chanset #maemo -Google |
| 11:38.18 | infobot | Unsetting Google for #maemo; was '1'. |
| 11:39.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack |
| 11:39.47 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: aw, gee |
| 11:40.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: how's life? |
| 11:40.12 | thedead1440 | good |
| 11:40.37 | thedead1440 | backups all sorted out :) n800 fws are the only thing missing after which we are 100% set :) |
| 11:40.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | great |
| 11:41.03 | freemangordon | thedead1440: what about fremantle SDK wmvare images? |
| 11:41.06 | thedead1440 | we were unlucky with scratchbox but managed it this morning |
| 11:41.11 | thedead1440 | done too |
| 11:41.14 | freemangordon | great |
| 11:41.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're kinda massive rock in raging maemo seas |
| 11:41.17 | thedead1440 | the links you gave me right? |
| 11:41.28 | freemangordon | thedead1440: yep |
| 11:41.42 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: not rock, a seashell maybe :D |
| 11:41.53 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 11:42.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | cshell??? EEEK! |
| 11:42.09 | thedead1440 | any progress on what is going to be done? |
| 11:42.12 | thedead1440 | haha |
| 11:42.12 | freemangordon | csh |
| 11:42.23 | jon_y | and TCSH! |
| 11:42.39 | jon_y | they are both retarted |
| 11:43.04 | jon_y | proving there are also CLI equivalent of unity |
| 11:43.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | (progress) sorting some internal misconceptions, might get done by end of xmess. For the migration we're waiting for nemein to do the migration to interim vservers |
| 11:43.27 | freemangordon | thedead1440: well, there is not much of an info, as usual :( |
| 11:43.28 | jon_y | I just discovered it had no $LINENO |
| 11:43.41 | thedead1440 | freemangordon: you didn't manage to catch ivgalvez? |
| 11:43.52 | freemangordon | ~seen ivgalvez |
| 11:43.54 | infobot | ivgalvez <~ivgalvez@89.140.113.138.static.user.ono.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 18h 36m 41s ago, saying: 'speak later'. |
| 11:43.58 | freemangordon | this |
| 11:44.04 | thedead1440 | ah... |
| 11:44.23 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: any chances they will fix the wiki too? |
| 11:44.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | they're supposed to do this as soon as migration to those interim servers accomplished, aiui |
| 11:44.53 | thedead1440 | its more than 1.5months since unable to do any edits |
| 11:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, a PITA |
| 11:45.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas even Nemein is in xmess mode |
| 11:45.38 | thedead1440 | honestly how long does migration take? a day, two or 3? |
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| 11:45.53 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: all the year? |
| 11:46.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, no idea |
| 11:46.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure right now |
| 11:46.12 | freemangordon | looks like :D |
| 11:46.51 | thedead1440 | is Nemein somehow a Nokia affiliate? their speed of working matches the latter :D |
| 11:46.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll try to catch bergie and have a word of hackers with him |
| 11:47.28 | freemangordon | thedead1440: both parties are in EU :P |
| 11:47.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: (speed) I guess we get what been paid for |
| 11:47.52 | thedead1440 | freemangordon: yikes that means all EU companies are that way? |
| 11:48.04 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you think nemein are underpaid? |
| 11:48.11 | freemangordon | thedead1440: nah, I was kidding |
| 11:48.15 | thedead1440 | aren't they over-paid? |
| 11:48.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm quite sure Nokia put maemo.org maintenance into, well... life support mode, long ago |
| 11:49.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that's mere handwaving of me, no facts of any sort |
| 11:49.29 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: so as all Nokia things once into life support they can't be rescued it seems :p |
| 11:49.48 | thedead1440 | I highlighted this in an email to SElop |
| 11:50.00 | freemangordon | we have to succeed this time ;) |
| 11:50.17 | freemangordon | not being Nokia |
| 11:50.21 | thedead1440 | got a reply from Mikko Tarkianein |
| 11:50.44 | thedead1440 | Nokia’s goal is that the maemo.org continues to serve the Maemo community. The community has done a great job in supporting both the developers and the consumers. Recently, Hildon Foundation has expressed an interest in taking over the maintenance of maemo.org. |
| 11:51.08 | thedead1440 | his linked in says: Current: |
| 11:51.10 | thedead1440 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah |
| 11:51.42 | freemangordon | a mixture of oil and water |
| 11:51.44 | thedead1440 | and i thought there were only 2 people left in the Harmattan team |
| 11:51.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, not exactly news he's sharing |
| 11:52.00 | thedead1440 | oh the remaining of standard FUD |
| 11:52.28 | thedead1440 | I expressly mentioned that there are n900s and n9s under warranty but he conveniently by-passed mentioning the n900: |
| 11:52.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, Nemein is talking to us finally |
| 11:52.29 | thedead1440 | In addition, Nokia’s care network continues to support the Nokia N9 where under warranty. We have checked our ability to repair and it is good with spare parts secured in standard way as for all Nokia models. |
| 11:52.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and they are really doing sth, so they said |
| 11:53.02 | thedead1440 | fingers crossed they do it... |
| 11:53.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ETA for wiki etc: end of year |
| 11:53.16 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: was that on the mailing list? |
| 11:53.20 | thedead1440 | yay so 6-7 days more :D |
| 11:53.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: in *some* ML, yep |
| 11:53.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly council ML |
| 11:54.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | or board CC council |
| 11:54.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | or whatever |
| 11:54.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm swamped with those "internal" mails currently |
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| 11:55.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | despite still missing an unknown percentage where I'm not on the CC one way or another |
| 11:55.09 | freemangordon | well, there were a couple of mails from nemein guys on maemo-community ML |
| 11:55.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 11:55.57 | freemangordon | hmm, it could be that I misread those, but i don;t think there was a deadline |
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| 12:06.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, the details were in mails from Nemein to board and council |
| 12:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | check out the TOFU in reggie's reply from 2012-12-19_14:40[CET] |
| 12:07.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ""Re: maemo.org services..."" |
| 12:09.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2012/10/18 Eero af Heurlin [wrote]...: |
| 12:09.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2012/10/19 Eero af Heurlin [wrote]...: |
| 12:09.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | (typo) |
| 12:10.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>The physical servers (those that will be transferred to foundation ownership) will not be available before new year deadline...<< |
| 12:11.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | [that's not a problem since:] >>[...] Niels will transfer the build services to VM(s)[...]<< |
| 12:13.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | you found it? |
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| 12:29.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-December/005828.html |
| 12:29.05 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: no need, if you say so |
| 12:32.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | also http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-December/005829.html |
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| 12:47.05 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: anybody you know who could help with a n800 pid? might as well finish that now too and relax till the new year |
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| 12:49.41 | ShadowJK | pid? |
| 12:50.20 | thedead1440 | product id to access http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php |
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| 13:46.42 | chem|st | Merry X-Mas, CSSU stable 5 is ready for download |
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| 14:22.20 | Hurrian | ugh, I really miss my N900. |
| 14:22.35 | Hurrian | Time to work out the OMAP3 QEMU then. |
| 14:36.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | Hurrian: time to find a n900 |
| 14:36.42 | Hurrian | find a /good/ N900. |
| 14:36.48 | Hurrian | it's rather difficult. |
| 14:37.48 | ShadowJK | should clean up his desk |
| 14:38.00 | ShadowJK | so i'd have space to try the cellmo fix |
| 14:38.21 | merlin1991 | hm cellmo fix, what cellmo fix? |
| 14:40.03 | ShadowJK | 3 people on tmo (atleast) have fixed dead-modem (aka crossed out sim) syndrome by opening up N900, opening the metal shield covering the modem chips, and gluing on 2 turns of a spring from a ballpoint pen, and then closing the shield and reassembling the N900 |
| 14:40.10 | ShadowJK | and modem has begun working again |
| 14:40.28 | Hurrian | so, poor man's reflow? |
| 14:40.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 14:40.59 | ShadowJK | Converting soldered bga to a bga "socket" lol |
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| 14:57.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: sorry, nope |
| 14:57.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | merry xmess, dear maemonians |
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| 15:13.19 | ShadowJK | it's just the wlan mac isn't it? |
| 15:14.20 | kerio | what is? |
| 15:14.33 | kerio | oh, n8x0 downloads? |
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| 15:17.18 | ShadowJK | that's for tablets-dev, right? |
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| 15:27.58 | kerio | ShadowJK: can't the mac address be guessed, though? |
| 15:28.08 | kerio | oooh, i see your point |
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| 15:28.37 | thedead1440 | kerio: i once saw a way to guess and enter on tmo for the n900 but somehow can't find the post anywhere |
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| 15:29.01 | lekernel | ~Poettering |
| 15:29.01 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' |
| 15:29.12 | kerio | indeed |
| 15:29.25 | kerio | you can, however, message infobot privately |
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| 15:44.11 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: thanks to ShadowJK the n800 fws backed up too ;) |
| 15:44.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine :-D |
| 15:44.30 | thedead1440 | so firmwares for all iterations of maemo and harmattan 100% done |
| 15:44.32 | thedead1440 | finally :D |
| 15:44.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're awesome |
| 15:45.01 | thedead1440 | nope all of you for helping with the pids |
| 15:45.45 | thedead1440 | funny thing is the n800 and 770 fw downloads only work on ie or n900's microB |
| 15:45.59 | thedead1440 | using mint on ff and chromium they show up as dead links |
| 15:46.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | SSL |
| 15:46.46 | thedead1440 | but why does n810 and n900 work flawlessly then? |
| 15:46.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 has a cert |
| 15:46.56 | thedead1440 | ah |
| 15:47.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | to authenticate against the download server |
| 15:47.30 | ShadowJK | the downloads work in ff on my fedora pc too |
| 15:47.45 | thedead1440 | i tried on safari and chrome in mac too |
| 15:47.53 | thedead1440 | somehow i'm jinxed with them :D |
| 15:48.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw chromium is known to blow chunks for such stuff |
| 15:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | chrome |
| 15:48.41 | thedead1440 | yup hence i use ff but chromium is the alternate one and didn't work in there |
| 15:49.00 | thedead1440 | used a vpn on windows assumed that solved it but turned out that ie works |
| 15:49.18 | thedead1440 | and ShadowJK said works on the n900 and true no issues there |
| 15:49.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | some insane shite |
| 15:49.39 | thedead1440 | anyway its done now we can relax over the next week :D |
| 15:49.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | we probably don't even wanna know |
| 15:49.50 | thedead1440 | :D |
| 15:50.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | now all we need is a backup of tmo? |
| 15:50.45 | thedead1440 | yup tmo backup is what is missing |
| 15:50.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | to be on the safe side of the fence |
| 15:51.11 | thedead1440 | brkn can ghost over it and make a not-legal copy of it but we didn't want to do that since Reggie is donating to the NFP already |
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| 15:51.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm going to ask Regie to send a backup (encrypted) tarball to you |
| 15:51.48 | thedead1440 | ah cool; we have approx 12-14GB left in the server just nice for the tmo backup |
| 15:51.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 15:52.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | so finally we are nuke safe |
| 15:52.18 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: [re:ssl cert to authenticate] er, wut? |
| 15:52.23 | thedead1440 | yup |
| 15:52.23 | kerio | which one? |
| 15:52.41 | thedead1440 | I'll send you tomorrow a full list of what we have so you can double-check it |
| 15:52.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine |
| 15:52.58 | thedead1440 | i would prefer to mass list is but its your call what you want us to do with it |
| 15:53.05 | thedead1440 | s/is/it/ |
| 15:53.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | mass list the ls -l |
| 15:53.29 | thedead1440 | okay will do so |
| 15:53.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no secrets in it |
| 15:53.48 | thedead1440 | exactly ;) |
| 15:54.10 | thedead1440 | the more eyes checking it is always better than just a few |
| 15:54.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | we need all the help we can get to check it for completeness |
| 15:54.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 15:55.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | however I'd appreciate you'd find a blog or whatever idependant of *mo infra, for obvious reasons |
| 15:55.21 | thedead1440 | one last thing; i received a PM from a member who doesn't know but he says maybe the following link is also needed to be backed up: http://nds2-fds-forum.nokia.com/nokiaqtsdkrepository/fremtiden/windows/online_qtsdk_repo |
| 15:55.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could keep a copy on cloud-7 |
| 15:55.34 | thedead1440 | doing a search for it shows that its now on Digia servers |
| 15:55.40 | thedead1440 | so is it needed? |
| 15:56.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 15:56.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
| 15:56.15 | thedead1440 | any qt developers know about it? |
| 15:56.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not a hardcore devel |
| 15:56.26 | thedead1440 | ping freemangordon :D |
| 15:56.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: ^^^ |
| 15:56.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 15:56.47 | thedead1440 | i bet his first response will be: why always me :D |
| 15:56.57 | merlin1991 | thedead1440: what's the issue? |
| 15:57.05 | freemangordon | why always me? :D:D:D |
| 15:57.05 | thedead1440 | http://nds2-fds-forum.nokia.com/nokiaqtsdkrepository/fremtiden/windows/online_qtsdk_repo |
| 15:57.21 | thedead1440 | that link is it required? |
| 15:57.36 | merlin1991 | only if you depend on qt creator as an ie |
| 15:57.41 | thedead1440 | freemangordon: lol |
| 15:57.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | is this part of the needed-backuped maemo-infra? |
| 15:57.48 | merlin1991 | we have all the qt dev files in the scratchbox / sdk repos |
| 15:57.59 | thedead1440 | ah so this can be safely ignored right? |
| 15:58.05 | freemangordon | I am unable to open that link |
| 15:58.12 | thedead1440 | freemangordon: its dead |
| 15:58.15 | freemangordon | aah |
| 15:58.19 | merlin1991 | the only thing interesting there is the windows network driver for g_ether |
| 15:58.26 | thedead1440 | i did a google for it and it turns out to be on digia servers currenly |
| 15:58.28 | merlin1991 | everything else we have in some form or other |
| 15:58.40 | freemangordon | we have it in qtmobilehotspot :) |
| 15:58.45 | merlin1991 | only x86 |
| 15:58.45 | thedead1440 | ah |
| 15:58.50 | merlin1991 | x64 is missing in qtmobilehotspot |
| 15:58.59 | thedead1440 | can we get just the drivers then? |
| 15:59.04 | freemangordon | merlin1991: "the driver" is not exactly a driver |
| 15:59.18 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 15:59.19 | freemangordon | it is just an .inf, |
| 15:59.32 | merlin1991 | it comes with some dlls afaik |
| 15:59.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | BURRRP |
| 15:59.33 | merlin1991 | lemme check |
| 15:59.36 | freemangordon | it reuses activesync stock XP driver |
| 15:59.47 | freemangordon | iirc |
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| 16:00.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes some obscene sounds |
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| 16:01.11 | merlin1991 | it's an in 2 sys files and some .cat |
| 16:01.13 | merlin1991 | + the installer |
| 16:01.47 | freemangordon | 2 sys files? |
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| 16:02.15 | merlin1991 | rndismpk.sys usb8023k.sys |
| 16:02.30 | freemangordon | that's strange, you don;t really need anything but .inf to enable "Linux RNDIS Ethernet" under XP |
| 16:02.58 | kerio | what about USB networking via g_nokia? |
| 16:03.00 | merlin1991 | maybe that's for something silly like win2000? |
| 16:03.17 | merlin1991 | or there are some parts missing in vista onwards? |
| 16:03.19 | merlin1991 | who knows :D |
| 16:03.37 | freemangordon | usb8023k.sys is the stock ActiveSync driver, that one shouldn't be freely distributable :D:D:D |
| 16:03.42 | freemangordon | IIRC |
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| 16:04.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | any (My)SQL gurus around? |
| 16:04.49 | merlin1991 | depends on how much guru you need |
| 16:04.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | encrypt a colums |
| 16:05.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | of a table |
| 16:05.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | are there standard means? |
| 16:05.35 | merlin1991 | hehe, never encrypted anything but there should be something |
| 16:06.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd like to create a backup of a MySQL database, but only encrypt parts of it |
| 16:07.36 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: no idea but: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7417480/is-it-possible-to-encrypt-columns-of-a-table-in-mysql-db |
| 16:09.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: thanks |
| 16:09.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | is a lazy sucker who obviously never heard of google |
| 16:09.39 | thedead1440 | lol |
| 16:09.57 | thedead1440 | you disabled google here hence its expected :p |
| 16:11.27 | thedead1440 | merlin1991 & freemangordon, the 2 of you in your discussion didn't mention how to get those 2 drivers and whether they are required:S |
| 16:11.56 | merlin1991 | thedead1440: they are reguired to develop from windows and they are in a single package in that whole qt repo |
| 16:12.15 | thedead1440 | so that single package is sufficient right? |
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| 16:12.33 | thedead1440 | and since you had details of it I assume you have that package with you? |
| 16:13.45 | merlin1991 | nope I only have the contents, but I do remembe some parts of the name, so trying to dig it up |
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| 16:17.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, are we a pack of smartasses |
| 16:17.16 | merlin1991 | thedead1440: do you have the digia url of the repo? |
| 16:17.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 16:17.30 | thedead1440 | nope just saw i was wrong; it isn't released yet |
| 16:17.59 | thedead1440 | let me give you the link one sec |
| 16:18.30 | thedead1440 | merlin1991: http://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/20806 |
| 16:18.45 | merlin1991 | aww shit |
| 16:19.17 | thedead1440 | furthermore the nokia links seem dead since nearly a year |
| 16:19.18 | freemangordon | whaaat?!? |
| 16:19.36 | thedead1440 | http://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/11434 |
| 16:19.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o\ \o/ /o/ \o/ /o\*clap* \o/ /o\*clap* \o/ \o\ /o/ \o_| |
| 16:20.14 | freemangordon | is speechless |
| 16:20.15 | merlin1991 | no fsckd qt creator builds on the qtproject webpage, only foobar libraries |
| 16:20.17 | thedead1440 | you can see the bug report link is also dead :( |
| 16:20.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ did a little dance |
| 16:20.22 | thedead1440 | its like a wall of dead links |
| 16:20.26 | merlin1991 | bitchslaps whichever idiot did that |
| 16:20.28 | merlin1991 | thedead1440: I know |
| 16:20.29 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: why are you so happy? |
| 16:20.56 | thedead1440 | so since a year no developer bothered with it until a few days ago sifo PM'ed me :S |
| 16:20.59 | merlin1991 | I tried to find docs about shiboken (pyhton qt bindings generator) and it all went from dead links into a circle to a single page on the qt wiki |
| 16:21.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | because I found some milk for my coffe today and next 2, and it seems we finally are on our way to rescue maemo |
| 16:21.08 | thedead1440 | haha |
| 16:21.27 | freemangordon | developers, developers, ... |
| 16:21.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | and chem|st gave us a brand new CSSU-S today |
| 16:21.40 | merlin1991 | even the freakin docs folder in the shiboken source has next to no docs |
| 16:22.13 | thedead1440 | at least scratchbox.org came alive today; it was alive last week we were mirroring it and around 42% it died |
| 16:22.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 16:22.51 | thedead1440 | imagine the frustration especially that was the same day when ivgalvez said scratchbox.org will need an alternate host in 1 day's time |
| 16:22.58 | merlin1991 | why doesn't the qt project provide qt creator buils? |
| 16:23.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | now what would be the appropriate central point of communication to talk about tmo and wiki being down? |
| 16:23.24 | merlin1991 | I mean that totally breaks the develop anyhwere promise when you get the ide only in form of old versions from some distro package |
| 16:23.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.48 | merlin1991 | xkcd.org ;) |
| 16:23.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | hahahahha |
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| 16:24.11 | thedead1440 | lol |
| 16:24.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: where would you post your comprehensive list of backups? |
| 16:24.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | you got a website or sth? |
| 16:24.56 | thedead1440 | that same thread on tmo? |
| 16:25.10 | thedead1440 | we havent put up a website on the server yet |
| 16:25.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | a bit errr.... .oO(³¼²đ¼³) to post on tmo about tmo backups |
| 16:25.23 | thedead1440 | the tmo thread imo is better |
| 16:25.24 | merlin1991 | thedead1440: just wondering, who's we? |
| 16:25.29 | thedead1440 | as most people can see it |
| 16:25.34 | thedead1440 | merlin1991: brkn and me |
| 16:25.43 | int_ua | about Qt5 and Qt Creator: http://askubuntu.com/questions/232339/how-to-add-qt5-to-qt-creator (no answer yet) |
| 16:25.49 | thedead1440 | he has done most of the work |
| 16:25.59 | int_ua | merlin1991: Qt Creator ^ |
| 16:26.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | may I suggest to 'abuse' some wiki(pedia?) talk page for that? |
| 16:26.35 | merlin1991 | int_ua: well I want a qt creator windows build in the first place, it's pita to build yourself :D |
| 16:26.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe rather an arbitrary blogsite |
| 16:26.58 | merlin1991 | thedead1440: just throw wordpress on the server ;) |
| 16:27.07 | merlin1991 | and ofc you take some version from last year |
| 16:27.15 | int_ua | merlin: build what exactly? I didn't build anything yet :) |
| 16:27.21 | thedead1440 | can be done no prob; i can get a site up in a few hours on it too that's not an issue |
| 16:27.25 | thedead1440 | its just visibility |
| 16:27.29 | freemangordon | int_ua: qtcreator for win |
| 16:27.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: we care about visibility by linking from tmo to that URL |
| 16:28.05 | thedead1440 | ok; will get the website up now then |
| 16:28.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | also by frequently posting it here on IRC |
| 16:28.25 | merlin1991 | thedead1440: also don't use wordpress ;) |
| 16:28.27 | thedead1440 | s/frequently posting/spamming/ :p |
| 16:28.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | much appreciated, thanks a lot |
| 16:28.31 | thedead1440 | merlin1991: sure |
| 16:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, aren't there any 'local' maemo forums? |
| 16:29.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | like freeyourphone.de been for openmoko? |
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| 16:30.16 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: afaik there are |
| 16:30.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: ping |
| 16:30.32 | freemangordon | at least some russian forum |
| 16:31.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got no problem with russian forum as long as the labels of links for edit etc are english |
| 16:31.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 16:31.22 | freemangordon | no, it is in russian |
| 16:31.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | a tad cimbersome then |
| 16:31.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | cumbersome |
| 16:32.14 | freemangordon | meegos.ru |
| 16:32.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, how about all the meego stuff? |
| 16:32.49 | thedead1440 | allnokia.ru too |
| 16:33.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | forum.meego.com is down, isn't it? |
| 16:33.17 | thedead1440 | nope |
| 16:33.18 | thedead1440 | its up |
| 16:33.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | who's hosting it? |
| 16:33.31 | thedead1440 | wasn't it posted somewhere that Intel would be hosting it? or was i dreaming? |
| 16:33.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, our syncing is not yet perfect |
| 16:33.57 | thedead1440 | haha |
| 16:35.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | linuxfoundation? |
| 16:35.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like the perfect place to publish info about maemo.org backup ;-D |
| 16:35.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | forum.meego.com that is |
| 16:36.05 | thedead1440 | no idea at all; i just remember around 2-3 weeks ago i read somewhere that someone was saying over the weekend he was migrating things over to Intel's servers |
| 16:36.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems it's hosted by linuxfoundation |
| 16:36.09 | thedead1440 | haha |
| 16:36.15 | thedead1440 | ah ok |
| 16:36.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | host -a forum.meego.com |
| 16:37.01 | thedead1440 | yup linuxfoundation it is then |
| 16:37.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | meego.com. 7166 IN NS ns3.meego.com. |
| 16:37.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | meego.com. 7166 IN NS ns1.linux-foundation.net. |
| 16:38.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: so you could start a thread about "backup and migration of maemo.org" there, and post your list of already mirrored stuff |
| 16:38.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | link to it from tmo |
| 16:38.13 | thedead1440 | lol |
| 16:38.29 | thedead1440 | so not on the server but there then? |
| 16:38.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever you prefer |
| 16:38.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, it's a complete forum there |
| 16:39.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | otoh it needs registration to post |
| 16:39.09 | thedead1440 | ok will post it there then ;) its faster :D |
| 16:39.34 | thedead1440 | a dead forum though :D |
| 16:39.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just think it's useless to keep the index of backup'ed stuff inside the backup |
| 16:39.59 | thedead1440 | yup will post it there and pingback to tmo |
| 16:40.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | once tmo goes down (God forbid), nobody will find that tmo thread to read up where's the mirror |
| 16:41.06 | thedead1440 | yup; hope it never goes down... all my bookmarks would be wasted :S |
| 16:41.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | same applies for wiki already |
| 16:41.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | DANG!!! |
| 16:42.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | we can use openmoko wiki |
| 16:42.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | lemme check that |
| 16:42.37 | thedead1440 | ok |
| 16:43.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | *cough* |
| 16:43.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | twiddledee twiddledum |
| 16:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | now that takes a while till server swaps in the VM |
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| 16:48.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Offtopic/maemo-migration_and_backup |
| 16:48.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | here you are |
| 16:48.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | slow like molasses, but hey |
| 16:49.05 | thedead1440 | thanks |
| 16:49.10 | thedead1440 | i thought it was slow only for me :D |
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| 16:50.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, it's breaking the rust |
| 16:50.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | on the HDD axes |
| 16:50.54 | thedead1440 | haha. you host openmoko.org? |
| 16:51.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | kinda |
| 16:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have root access to parts of the infra, and the admins been my colleagues |
| 16:51.48 | thedead1440 | oh ok |
| 16:51.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg |
| 16:51.59 | infobot | from memory, joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 16:52.14 | thedead1440 | :D |
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| 16:54.30 | thedead1440 | goes about learning openmoko history |
| 16:55.17 | kerio | don't go there |
| 16:55.21 | kerio | it's a sad story ._. |
| 16:55.50 | thedead1440 | something like a Nokia to Jolla spin-off but of failure? |
| 17:00.16 | thedead1440 | the symmetry of the neo series reminds me of the motorola aura somewhat |
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| 17:26.03 | SpeedEvil | thedead1440: open moko has nothing to do with Nokia. it was a clean sheet startup |
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| 17:27.12 | thedead1440 | SpeedEvil: yup know that. What I meant was a private organization trying to do something; failing which a Community-led organization takes over it but ultimately doesn't taste much success |
| 17:27.22 | thedead1440 | However now I've read about it and its not exactly that |
| 17:27.23 | SpeedEvil | http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=1879299#p1879299 |
| 17:27.54 | SpeedEvil | is a long rant I wrote about open moko, and how it lived and died |
| 17:28.27 | SpeedEvil | we could have had a 'mass market' usable basic phone with x, in Xmas 2007 |
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| 17:51.54 | kerio | fscking openmoko inc :( |
| 17:53.01 | thedead1440 | SpeedEvil: read up your rant; sad indeed similar to meltemi being given up |
| 17:54.10 | SpeedEvil | of course... there is the corrolory to that. |
| 17:54.21 | SpeedEvil | doing it 'right' is hard. |
| 17:54.44 | SpeedEvil | community involvement at a management level can be much, much harder. |
| 17:54.53 | SpeedEvil | and lead to its own issues. |
| 17:54.55 | thedead1440 | yup in fact quite impossible to do it right from whatever i've read for openmoko or nokia |
| 17:56.47 | thedead1440 | my understanding for that is as long a community is a community its a great asset but when a community becomes involved in management then every individual's real character other than coding brain comes to the fore hence it makes things that much harder as its like starting everything anew |
| 17:58.20 | thedead1440 | hence why i keep my fingers crossed for Jolla; i hope they do well but the doubts never cease in my head unfortunately no matter how much i would love them to succeed |
| 17:58.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: hehe http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=1879299#p1879098 check out the buzzfix first page |
| 17:58.52 | kerio | the proprietary UI doesn't bode well imo |
| 17:59.40 | thedead1440 | kerio: other than the proprietary UI i'm thinking more like what are their people dynamics within the Company |
| 17:59.59 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how does a problem like that not get caught during r&d? have they never *tried* the phone? |
| 18:00.11 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: what kerio said |
| 18:00.32 | RST38h | Are we having a TMO night on #maemo today? |
| 18:00.34 | thedead1440 | don't tell me the ceos etc were all on their shiny iphones |
| 18:00.48 | thedead1440 | RST38h: sorry :S |
| 18:01.08 | RST38h | Any photoshopped designs of a new Jolla phone? |
| 18:01.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's massively depending on how you *hold* the phone (yep! ;-P, and no that's not an iPhone), on signal situation to cel tower, and on the GSM band used |
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| 18:01.34 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: so nobody tried to hold it like an actual person would? |
| 18:02.28 | thedead1440 | RST38h: well Jolla seem to control the leaks well so i wouldn't hold out for a leak anytime soon; maybe closer to product launch a deliberate leak :D |
| 18:02.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | a lot of people tried, in our Taipei lab. alas that lab has pretty high GSM signal, so the TX power usually is leveled down to a state where you don't notice anything like buzz |
| 18:03.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then, the buzz always only been on FAR end |
| 18:03.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 18:03.15 | thedead1440 | so no real life usage? |
| 18:03.27 | thedead1440 | like you know other than taking it out of the lab :p |
| 18:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, we were like 50 people, and nobody was doing 8h test runs in the wild |
| 18:04.36 | thedead1440 | all of you must be busy trying X number of ways to run complex apps hence missed out on the basic *phone* feature :D |
| 18:04.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventually we noticed the complaints, and it took a while until I instructed everybody how to reliably reproduce the problem |
| 18:05.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it took even way longer until I finally analyzed the problem and came up with buzzfix |
| 18:05.32 | thedead1440 | ah |
| 18:06.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | while almost everybody else been busy with production |
| 18:06.07 | thedead1440 | you should have actually run the organization ;) |
| 18:06.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: |
| 18:06.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | sigh |
| 18:06.30 | kerio | christmas, a time of happiness and joy |
| 18:09.44 | ShadowJK | 'd not discovered it either |
| 18:09.58 | ShadowJK | I'm mostly in -72dBm or better signal conditions :P |
| 18:10.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know what finally broke OM GTA03 project's neck, basically? A tiny irrelevant notch in sensitivity diagram of the GPS antenna (it wouldn't detect a sat at 56° elevation, on main plane of the phone [0° declination relative to phone}) |
| 18:10.48 | thedead1440 | kerio: true :) From an outsider's perspective (mine) it is always fascinating to know what could have been either at Nokia or OpenMoko but then to see it being a classic case of potential unrealized... Sometimes I wonder if some American ruthlessness or Asia "copycat ability" could have helped this potential to be actually realized |
| 18:13.01 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; how wide was that? |
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| 18:13.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | this notch been caused by the earpiece speaker transducer metal blob, and our ME diude suggested to CEO to extend the case by 5mm length, to get some separation of GPS antenna and transducer. I knew this will mean madness and asked him to not do it. He did it. Next morning CEO came and told us (EE) to drop WLAN and GPS and whatnot else |
| 18:13.27 | kerio | haha what the shit |
| 18:13.35 | thedead1440 | so the CEO wasn't a technically oriented person? |
| 18:13.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really |
| 18:15.24 | ShadowJK | drop wlan? wtf :) |
| 18:15.51 | thedead1440 | wouldn't there have been more than just murmurs of discontent among the EEs when asked to make such drastic changes? |
| 18:15.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | but he was in love with the case design, and very proud of it and of the guy who did it (same guy designed 1st iMac, the desk lamp) |
| 18:18.16 | RST38h | Doc: The french guy who started with toiletware? |
| 18:18.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: close |
| 18:19.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-P |
| 18:19.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | US guy who started with webshops for shoes, iirc |
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| 18:19.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | or do you mean the iMac designer? |
| 18:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never met him |
| 18:20.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | Director of some design university iirc |
| 18:20.47 | ShadowJK | would've though a gps blind angle would be preferable over dropping gps and wlan |
| 18:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, it wouldn't cause any noticeable trouble |
| 18:21.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | but our CEO thought the design was too demanding and he needs to make it easier for EE |
| 18:21.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | by ordering a complete redesign |
| 18:22.09 | ShadowJK | I mean people wave their devices around like rabid crackmonies and block random angles of it all the time |
| 18:22.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | when we already were done with 3rd run of prototypes |
| 18:22.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: exactly |
| 18:23.35 | thedead1440___ | form prevailing over function in the process destroying the device itself |
| 18:23.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | some taiwanese RF house did the antenna design for us, and the sensitivity plots, and nobody inside OM except me understood how to read them |
| 18:24.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440___: exactly |
| 18:24.17 | ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/gps-10hrsatplot.png |
| 18:24.51 | ShadowJK | elevation on Y, azimuth on X, pixel brightness represents sat signal, plotted over 10h period |
| 18:24.57 | ShadowJK | guess which way my window faces |
| 18:26.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, there been a reason why I stood up, mumbled "not going to continue that" and left the room, during that conference when our CEO spoke to us |
| 18:26.31 | ShadowJK | (2 different gps receivers, N810 builtin, and sirfstarIII) |
| 18:27.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3 months later OM been basically out of business |
| 18:27.50 | thedead1440___ | :( |
| 18:28.51 | RST38h | Doc: But look at the bright side: your CEO was persistent, decisive, and risk taking |
| 18:29.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 18:29.17 | RST38h | Doc: A real businessman, had the guts, etc |
| 18:29.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask SpeedEvil about it ;-D |
| 18:29.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm biased |
| 18:30.02 | RST38h | Having a brain is almost an afterthought in CEOs.After all, they hire YOU to serve as their brain! |
| 18:30.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas not in this case |
| 18:30.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | CEO decided on EE technical stuff without consulting any EE, the least me |
| 18:31.11 | thedead1440___ | DocScrutinizer05, you should be at Jolla ;) The best way for them to do well would be to learn from that + your added expertise is a bonus |
| 18:31.24 | RST38h | Doc: Well, and for various orifices they can fuck you through |
| 18:31.39 | RST38h | Doc: Which is really important because otherwise they get restless |
| 18:31.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I offered that to them several times, but I'm too lazy to send a CV |
| 18:31.46 | thedead1440___ | The CEO over-reached because he HAD a brain |
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| 18:32.44 | thedead1440___ | Werent they hiring based on "Community" so why would you need an intro |
| 18:32.56 | SpeedEvil | truly smart people know that they're dumb (or at best uneducated) outside of their field. |
| 18:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440___: my point |
| 18:33.06 | SpeedEvil | http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=1879299#p1879299 |
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| 18:33.34 | SpeedEvil | rant on open moko that Doc may have been referring to indirectly above |
| 18:34.15 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer05: and drop wlan and gps... that shows unusual braindeadeddness |
| 18:35.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not all sure what exactly was getting dropped, iirc the rationale been "we can attach all that via BT no problem" |
| 18:35.37 | SpeedEvil | ow |
| 18:35.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | didn't matter to me, in that stage of hw development *any* huge change been a massive brainfsck |
| 18:36.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | we had working prototypes |
| 18:36.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | and we were really really late |
| 18:36.40 | SpeedEvil | missing reception of a satellite in a few percent of the sky, in a system that always has multiple transmitter's... |
| 18:36.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed :-S |
| 18:36.57 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: You can't raise to CEO level by admitting you are dumb |
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| 18:37.16 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Everybody else is dumb, and you are a freaking genius. |
| 18:37.50 | thedead1440___ | SpeedEvil, thats the same one as earlier linked right? |
| 18:38.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.google.de/search?q=sean+moss+pultz |
| 18:38.23 | SpeedEvil | thedead1440___: yes |
| 18:38.38 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_C026BqO3DEo/S9BTG1sujKI/AAAAAAAAA1E/3QO8bKJAep4/s640/employeerelationship.jpg |
| 18:39.02 | thedead1440___ | also from your rant it also seems like the n900 was a nail on OM's coffin? |
| 18:39.12 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: unfortunately, too true. the world would be a hell of a lot better if people would say 'I don't know' more |
| 18:39.20 | SpeedEvil | thedead1440___: basically, yes |
| 18:39.32 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: wouldn't have any proress then |
| 18:39.36 | SpeedEvil | thedead1440___: and more now, the nexus 4. |
| 18:39.51 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: see Russians - they say "no" aplenty, and where they are? Riiiight! |
| 18:40.10 | ShadowJK | wishes nexus4 has worldwide availability |
| 18:41.07 | SpeedEvil | thedead1440___: available shiny hardware, now with at least superficially shiny software, and massive app stores causes major issues for tiny vendors trying to break in. |
| 18:41.16 | RST38h | ShadowJK:Buying the same unit under LG brand is not possible somehow? |
| 18:41.25 | ShadowJK | no |
| 18:41.40 | thedead1440___ | SpeedEvil, how apt |
| 18:41.49 | SpeedEvil | I would be interested to know how the funding for n4 worked. |
| 18:41.53 | ShadowJK | Well, LG nexus 4 IS available here from a major retailed, at 600E price point :) |
| 18:42.05 | RST38h | Umgh |
| 18:42.14 | SpeedEvil | was it as simple as massive discounts, for buying 2 million units cash in advance? |
| 18:42.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> we have learned over these years is that the power of people bound by ideals, rather than contracts, cannot be underestimated<< errr, rrrrrright |
| 18:42.44 | RST38h | Doc: Generally only true for groups of <=10 people |
| 18:42.49 | thedead1440___ | SpeedEvil, isnt it said the nexus4's cost to build = RSP? |
| 18:42.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | re-read |
| 18:43.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe my english is flawed, or my logic is non-standard |
| 18:43.11 | SpeedEvil | thedead1440___: perhaps. |
| 18:43.16 | RST38h | Doc: Nah, sounds clear enough |
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| 18:43.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | if the power is so low that it can't get underestimated, then... BAAD |
| 18:44.06 | FIQ|n900 | hi |
| 18:44.11 | RST38h | Doc <-- too deep |
| 18:44.16 | ShadowJK | Jolla aiming for china is clever, big market and incompetently serviced, if at all, by the current players :-) |
| 18:44.49 | thedead1440___ | i feel Jolla have had no choice but to aim for the Chinese market |
| 18:44.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe he meant "never must get underestimated" |
| 18:44.59 | FIQ|n900 | i've done some read ups and from what I read, posts from 2010 shows that N900 only supports ad hoc, is this possible to work around? |
| 18:45.20 | RST38h | ShadowJK: AFAIK, serviced quite well |
| 18:45.41 | FIQ|n900 | neither my 3DS, nexus 7, or linux setup (THAT can be worked around by changing network manager though) supports ad hoc |
| 18:45.44 | RST38h | ShadowJK: With cheap Android phones with a lot of fake bling, built in some garage in Guanzhou |
| 18:45.54 | thedead1440___ | especially when funding seems to be Asian sources and its the only market which has no fixed OS-love; they just want their apps |
| 18:46.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>...the best path foreword is...<< |
| 18:47.23 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Santa's journey differs on Google, Microsoft trackers |
| 18:47.50 | RST38h | bets Nokia Maps shows Santa stationary,somewhere in FInland |
| 18:47.53 | FIQ|n900 | according to old TMO posts, this can only be hacked in by reverse engineering the chip, or asking TI. I guess this hasn't been done and n900 only can do ad-hoc wifi? |
| 18:48.18 | RST38h | FIQ: N900 supports infrastructure WiFI |
| 18:48.31 | FIQ|n900 | a post in tmo say the opposite |
| 18:48.46 | RST38h | FIQ: The chip also supports AP mode, but it is connected through an interface that hides normal chip operation |
| 18:48.48 | FIQ|n900 | 4. Infrastructure (or AP) mode is "imposible" (as in: not going to happen with these resources, if you can reverse-engineer the chip firmware and hack a way to patch support in: let us know when it works reliably on the N900). |
| 18:49.01 | RST38h | infrastructure as a client is possible |
| 18:49.05 | thedead1440___ | FIQ|n900, the n7 can connect to ad-hoc using a simple app from xda |
| 18:49.07 | RST38h | AP and Monitor modes are not |
| 18:49.24 | FIQ|n900 | thedead1440___: what if I haven't done initial setup yet? |
| 18:49.45 | thedead1440___ | ah |
| 18:50.18 | FIQ|n900 | thedead1440___: I'm aware I can get ad hoc working on n7 with the right stuff :P |
| 18:50.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://lwn.net/Articles/335878/ |
| 18:50.28 | FIQ|n900 | That would be a solution but not a perfect one for me |
| 18:50.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ Sean about end of OM |
| 18:51.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is pretty much on topic with our current situation of Nokia ending maemo support |
| 18:51.05 | FIQ|n900 | (google not giving ad hoc out of the box is kinda stupid though) |
| 18:53.14 | thedead1440___ | DocScrutinizer05, doesnt the handing over of maemo.org to HF seem like deja-vu for you |
| 18:53.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, a lot |
| 18:53.50 | thedead1440___ | FIQ|n900, the last i read was it was due to some FCC radiation restrictions |
| 18:54.03 | FIQ|n900 | wat |
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| 18:54.32 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
| 18:54.40 | thedead1440___ | i am on my phone; hard to find all the links but that was what I remember |
| 18:54.56 | thedead1440___ | just like how the N9 had ad hoc disabled in the US |
| 18:54.58 | FIQ|n900 | I wonder if I somehow can hook n7 up to my computer and get the necessary stuff |
| 18:55.07 | thedead1440___ | for the same reason more or less |
| 18:55.08 | FIQ|n900 | but I don't even live in US.. |
| 18:55.40 | thedead1440___ | Also security reasons i think |
| 18:55.58 | thedead1440___ | Blackberry mentioned security factors for no ad hoc support |
| 18:56.58 | SpeedEvil | no WPA is possible |
| 18:57.02 | SpeedEvil | just wep |
| 18:57.21 | FIQ|n900 | well.. |
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| 18:57.40 | thedead1440___ | ah yes that was what i remember being the security factor |
| 18:57.44 | SpeedEvil | clearly, VPN can work. |
| 18:57.46 | FIQ|n900 | it should be users choice rather than producers on security |
| 18:57.55 | SpeedEvil | and battery use is another factor |
| 18:58.20 | SpeedEvil | having the radio active all the time is expensive |
| 18:58.36 | SpeedEvil | 50-100mw, even with modern radios |
| 18:59.08 | SpeedEvil | vs sub 5 for an 'active' power saving connection |
| 19:05.59 | ShadowJK | uh, surely it's considerably more than 100mW |
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| 19:23.25 | ShadowJK | delicious ham |
| 19:23.29 | ShadowJK | nom nom nom |
| 19:26.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: SpeedEvil meant RX |
| 19:26.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess |
| 19:27.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, even that might be more than 100mW |
| 19:28.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | though aiui with ad-hoc you always neet TX as well, all the time |
| 19:28.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | need* |
| 19:28.47 | SpeedEvil | yes, RX |
| 19:29.00 | SpeedEvil | ad hoc is just receive |
| 19:29.26 | SpeedEvil | logged in to a router requires transmit too |
| 19:29.53 | SpeedEvil | but is much cheaper, as the radio can be off totally >90% of the time |
| 19:30.25 | SpeedEvil | ad hoc is basically really dumb. turn on the radio, listen for any packet |
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| 19:43.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | no beacons at all? |
| 19:44.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | also I don't get it why they can't do decent RX hw for WLAN. Why has it to hog power like mad? |
| 19:45.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, it's not like GPS, eh? where you need to do complex DSP stuff all the time |
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| 20:41.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cookie |
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| 21:19.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cookie |
| 21:19.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cookie |
| 21:19.44 | kerio | ~botsnack |
| 21:19.44 | infobot | kerio: aw, gee |
| 21:19.48 | kerio | infobot: <3 |
| 21:19.48 | infobot | it has been said that <3 is love |
| 21:19.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cookie |
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| 21:45.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~kerio |
| 21:45.47 | infobot | well, kerio is <DocScrutinizer> [...] kerio is correct [...] |
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| 22:13.35 | kerio | :3 |
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| 22:20.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~:3 |
| 22:20.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~3 |
| 22:20.49 | infobot | 3 is a number, silly |
| 22:21.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~~3 |
| 22:21.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3~@ |
| 22:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | now that's really silly |
| 22:22.37 | kerio | :3 is kitty face |
| 22:22.40 | kerio | >:3 is lion face |
| 22:23.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3~@ is turd |
| 22:23.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | kitty face, mhm |
| 22:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | is kitty associated to a specific emotion? |
| 22:25.15 | kerio | ~urban :3 |
| 22:25.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | or gesture |
| 22:25.21 | kerio | no urban dictionary? |
| 22:25.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+help urban |
| 22:26.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys urban |
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| 22:26.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~urban |
| 22:26.37 | infobot | A nice shoot-'em-up game for Linux and DOS, lots of blood and gore.. URL: http://urban.home.dhs.org/ |
| 22:26.58 | FIQ|n900 | ~wesnoth |
| 22:27.01 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: http://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/f/f9/Electronics_LION.gif |
| 22:27.27 | FIQ|n900 | "Linux and DOS" interesting combination of OSes |
| 22:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm so "eeeek! a kitty!" ? |
| 22:30.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;3ε: |
| 22:30.38 | kerio | well, no |
| 22:30.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks like Zoydberg |
| 22:30.43 | kerio | it's "awwww! a kitty! :3" |
| 22:31.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ε: at least with my font here |
| 22:31.22 | kerio | that's an arbitrarily small kitten |
| 22:32.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders how much more bored he could possibly get, in 1 or 2 hours from now |
| 22:32.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | even TV is da bore |
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