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| 00:08.33 | SpeedEvil | specifically, AC, symmetric around zero. and that was the maximum |
| 00:10.00 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: it's TENS - it's a well studied phenomena. basically, you apply sharp edges to the nerves, causing them to fire repeatedly, and become fatigued. this state lasts an hour or three |
| 00:10.57 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: 1cm^2 stainless steel electrodes placed either side of the gum, with the other side insulated |
| 00:11.56 | SpeedEvil | needless to say. applying voltage to your body can kill. |
| 00:14.56 | ShadowJK | indeed |
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| 01:27.31 | Macer | wow like.... these places are ridiculous with these e7 prices |
| 01:27.38 | Macer | i guess i'll just get one from amazon for 250 |
| 01:32.20 | SpeedEvil | why an e7? |
| 01:48.37 | Macer | it won't break like the n900 and has a qwerty |
| 01:48.40 | Macer | :) |
| 01:48.43 | Macer | and supports att |
| 01:49.22 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 01:52.36 | Macer | i've honestly gotten to the point wher i use like 3 things on my phone |
| 01:52.45 | Macer | ssh client, browser, gtalk/xmpp client |
| 01:53.01 | Macer | 4 if you count tethering |
| 01:53.26 | Macer | believe it or not the lumia900 isn't too bad... but the lack of a qwerty drives me nuts |
| 01:53.36 | unclouded | where can I find the .config for kernel-power? scripts/extract-ikconfig told me that the zImage didn't include it |
| 01:54.22 | robbiethe1st | Macer: Hiss!! |
| 01:54.48 | Macer | robbiethe1st: heh |
| 01:54.53 | Macer | i still have the n900 but the modem died on it |
| 01:54.58 | Macer | i use it like a nit |
| 01:55.29 | Macer | symbian^3 isn't too bad.. plus i can downgrade my overpriced data plan for a "dumbphone" plan |
| 01:55.36 | Macer | with the e7 heh |
| 01:56.32 | Macer | i thought i was going to win a new one for $190 on ebay but got sniped at the last second and from ebay i wouldn't pay more than 200 |
| 01:58.03 | Macer | but i'll pay 250 for a new one on amazon :) |
| 01:59.57 | ShadowJK | Macer, have you seen the "modem fix" threads? |
| 02:00.30 | ShadowJK | Basically, the modem chips are under a shield, you open up N900, and open the shield, then take a pencil's spring, cut it to about 2 turns, and put that below the shield to press down on the modem chips |
| 02:00.36 | ShadowJK | Seems to have worked for atleast 2 people |
| 02:00.57 | ShadowJK | Risk of killing tablet-N900 of course :( |
| 02:04.22 | ShadowJK | Speaking of "not breaking", I encountered a Lumia with broken microusb port the other day :) |
| 02:05.17 | SpeedEvil | did I link the pics of the motoactv - a tiny watch-like android device. |
| 02:05.30 | SpeedEvil | with a through hole secured USB port |
| 02:12.17 | Macer | lol |
| 02:12.37 | Macer | SpeedEvil: that doesn't change the fact all i would get is edge tho ;) |
| 02:12.44 | Macer | i can deal with 3G vs LTE |
| 02:12.49 | Macer | but Edge vs 3G is too much |
| 02:13.07 | SpeedEvil | no 3g on the above |
| 02:13.12 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 02:13.18 | SpeedEvil | edge kinda sucks |
| 02:13.26 | Macer | it seriously sucks ;) |
| 02:13.32 | SpeedEvil | I wish I had had time to work on my page compressor |
| 02:13.37 | Macer | but that's ok. like i said.... |
| 02:13.42 | Macer | e7 will do nicely |
| 02:13.48 | Macer | i don't really use my phone for much anymore |
| 02:13.58 | Macer | browser,ssh,gtalk, and tethering are all that are required |
| 02:14.16 | Macer | and of course typical services like email etc |
| 02:14.22 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:WebProxy |
| 02:14.48 | Macer | openmoko lol |
| 02:15.22 | SpeedEvil | well, yes |
| 02:15.31 | SpeedEvil | it was a page I wrote a while ago |
| 02:15.38 | SpeedEvil | still applies though |
| 02:16.36 | Macer | well. .i'm just saying. the n900 isn't worth the effort if it can't do 3G |
| 02:16.51 | Macer | a shame really.. i'd have kept with tmobile if it worked properly still :) |
| 02:16.56 | Macer | i loved my n900 |
| 02:17.11 | Macer | is verizon gsm with sims? i honestly don't know |
| 02:17.53 | Macer | i might actually consider sprint next since they have an actual unlimited data plan |
| 02:18.03 | Macer | i think att is throttling me after going over a month.. which i didn't care spending the extra money |
| 02:18.17 | SpeedEvil | no idea |
| 02:18.18 | Macer | but then they throttled me and it is running like shit. i need to call them tomorrow and ask wtf is up |
| 02:18.53 | SpeedEvil | not really up on the us market, for obvious reasons |
| 02:19.05 | Macer | i might go with verizon next after my last 8 months with att is up |
| 02:19.49 | SpeedEvil | pondering a teeny mvno |
| 02:19.53 | Macer | oh yah. sorry ;) |
| 02:20.14 | SpeedEvil | http://www.aa.net.uk |
| 02:20.19 | SpeedEvil | wacky services |
| 02:20.35 | SpeedEvil | like you can have a mobile with no phone number |
| 02:20.48 | SpeedEvil | its back end is your sip server |
| 02:21.15 | SpeedEvil | and you can have your own server as your APN. |
| 02:24.17 | Macer | wow |
| 02:24.19 | Macer | that's actually |
| 02:24.20 | Macer | awesome lol |
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| 04:04.02 | merlin1991 | unclouded: it's in the source package |
| 04:04.31 | unclouded | really? I had a look there. I'll look again |
| 04:05.06 | merlin1991 | unclouded: it's built on autobuilder it has to be ;) |
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| 04:05.39 | unclouded | would you expect it to be inside the kernel-bfs-bootimg package? |
| 04:05.48 | merlin1991 | nope |
| 04:06.21 | merlin1991 | but I'd expect it in here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/k/kernel-power/kernel-power_2.6.28-10power51r1.diff.gz |
| 04:07.42 | unclouded | is it inside the .fiasco image in that package? |
| 04:08.09 | merlin1991 | why do you search for the config inside the binary packages? |
| 04:08.14 | merlin1991 | grab the source |
| 04:09.21 | unclouded | ah! sorry, didn't realise |
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| 04:10.56 | merlin1991 | you'll need the diff from above plus this http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/k/kernel-power/kernel-power_2.6.28.orig.tar.gz |
| 04:11.03 | merlin1991 | or you just use apt-get source :) |
| 04:11.31 | unclouded | I think I'll use "apt-get source" so I don't mess anything else up. thank you! |
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| 07:48.48 | kerio | unclouded: KP52 is about to be released though |
| 07:49.01 | kerio | unclouded: check the kernel-power thread on TMO |
| 07:55.12 | unclouded | thx kerio. i'm just re-learning how to build a kernel though. can it be done with a cross-compiler on a x86 host? |
| 07:55.36 | kerio | unclouded: install scratchbox |
| 07:55.51 | freemangordon | unclouded: you should either use scratchbox or madde afaik |
| 07:56.27 | unclouded | http://scratchbox.org/ seems down. is that just for me? |
| 07:56.34 | freemangordon | unclouded: ni :( |
| 07:56.37 | freemangordon | *no |
| 07:56.54 | freemangordon | unclouded: why you want to build the kernel? |
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| 07:57.59 | unclouded | I'd like to have a go at booting Debian on mmc1p1 but I can't see what's going wrong. I wanted to see if the fb could be used as the console |
| 07:58.53 | unclouded | maybe I just need parameters to kernel-power in which case I'll feel silly |
| 07:59.21 | freemangordon | if you want to boot another os, then what you need is u-boot |
| 07:59.49 | unclouded | got that. u-boot-flasher from devel-extras. uboot-pr13 didn't cut it |
| 07:59.52 | freemangordon | also, if you want fb console, just insmod the module in init scripts |
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| 08:00.22 | unclouded | oh. ok, now I feel silly. so I don't need to build a kernel to find out what's going wrong |
| 08:01.28 | freemangordon | unclouded: if you boot debian's kernel by using u-boot, KP won;t be oaded. Or I am missing something |
| 08:01.36 | freemangordon | *loaded |
| 08:02.24 | unclouded | I didn't think there was a Debian kernel ( built for N900) so I was going to try using KP to boot Debian |
| 08:04.13 | unclouded | which modules will I need? fbcon obviously. also omaplfb? any others? |
| 08:04.17 | freemangordon | unclouded: won;t work, KP is 2.6.28, glibc in debian won;t like it AFAIK |
| 08:04.56 | freemangordon | what debian BTW? |
| 08:05.11 | unclouded | rly? even though it works to chroot to /media/mmc1? squeeze armel |
| 08:05.40 | freemangordon | aah, that one might work |
| 08:06.05 | freemangordon | well, if you modprobe fbcon, it should load all that is needed AIUI |
| 08:06.12 | unclouded | I should learn how to get fbcon anyway |
| 08:07.51 | freemangordon | unclouded: http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showpost.php?s=332825539b9b12445451d06cabe14ace&p=1303015&postcount=11 |
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| 08:08.25 | unclouded | sweet, cheers |
| 08:08.56 | freemangordon | have in mind that is for maemo, i don;t know where you should do modprobe fbcon in debian |
| 08:09.11 | freemangordon | but the module is there (in KP I mean) |
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| 08:12.57 | unclouded | I guess I'll need it in the bootmenu script? |
| 08:13.28 | freemangordon | unclouded: don't think so |
| 08:13.48 | freemangordon | aah, wait |
| 08:13.58 | freemangordon | bootmenu script? |
| 08:14.25 | unclouded | u-boot provides a menu. I don't mean the bootmenu package, which I don't have installed |
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| 08:15.39 | freemangordon | unclouded: u-boot scripts won't do the job afaik. |
| 08:16.10 | unclouded | Maemo is in NAND, with u-boot-flasher from devel-extras ( stock kernel, not power). I can now boot Maemo with either stock, power or bfs from the menu but I'd like to try booting the Debian on mmc1 |
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| 08:16.26 | unclouded | really? damn |
| 08:16.45 | freemangordon | unclouded: but you'd better ask Pali. when he is online |
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| 09:26.20 | Pali | when will be migration of maemo.org done? when will be maemo again in read-write mode? |
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| 09:49.21 | kerio | unclouded: bfs is awful |
| 09:49.34 | kerio | unclouded: how did you install debian? |
| 09:49.53 | unclouded | I think it was debootstrap -foreign from my laptop |
| 09:50.08 | unclouded | thanks for the bfs tip. I should stick to power then? |
| 09:50.12 | kerio | yep |
| 09:50.21 | kerio | Pali: will KP52 work with debian? |
| 09:50.40 | kerio | unclouded: my guess is that you should put the modules in your debian root's /lib/modules |
| 09:50.45 | unclouded | I am making some progress |
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| 09:50.51 | Pali | I do not know |
| 09:50.53 | Pali | why not? |
| 09:51.10 | kerio | and then just tell uboot to boot with the root you want |
| 09:51.34 | unclouded | with Pail's zImage-2.6.28-omap1-fb I can now see that the kernel is waiting for the root device |
| 09:52.16 | unclouded | I was trying to boot without an initrd and I guess mmc_block isn't compiled in, so I'm trying to make a squeeze initrd with 2.6.28-omap1 atm |
| 09:52.53 | kerio | oh right, those aren't compiled in, no |
| 09:53.43 | unclouded | so I suppose my options are either compile a kernel with mmc_block or try for an initrd, which would be less effort I hope |
| 09:53.56 | kerio | unclouded: apparently you MUST install and run watchdog on your debian install |
| 09:54.11 | kerio | ~2119 |
| 09:54.12 | infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. |
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| 09:54.23 | unclouded | yes, I read that here: https://elektranox.org/n900/kernel/uboot.html |
| 09:54.36 | unclouded | hard powerdown after 60 seconds otherwise |
| 09:54.46 | unclouded | lol |
| 09:55.02 | kerio | Pali: does the current uboot support extfs? |
| 09:55.12 | DocScrutinizer06 | grrrr electranox |
| 09:55.31 | unclouded | seems so. it's loading the uImage from ext2 part on the SD card |
| 09:55.53 | unclouded | DocScrutinizer06, why "grrrr"? I don't know the history |
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| 09:56.32 | DocScrutinizer06 | meh, this site refused to correct (C) of the originial charging script |
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| 09:56.53 | DocScrutinizer06 | which evidently been (C) by me |
| 09:57.16 | DocScrutinizer06 | err boost sctipt |
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| 10:03.21 | DocScrutinizer06 | nope, charging |
| 10:03.46 | DocScrutinizer06 | doesn't matter, nice site lots of info |
| 10:05.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq |
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| 11:56.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: hey, you adopted 2119? :-D |
| 11:56.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo 2119 |
| 11:56.42 | infobot | 2119 -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Mon Aug 9 18:05:45 2010 (863 days); it has been requested 40 times, last by kerio, 2h 2m 31s ago. |
| 11:57.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~rfc 2119 |
| 11:57.18 | infobot | rumour has it, rfc 2119 is Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels. S. Bradner. March 1997. (Format: TXT=4723 bytes) (Also BCP0014) (Status: BEST CURRENT PRACTICE) |
| 12:13.07 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's cool |
| 12:14.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, just fighting ¶ł@„³@¼²{¬{¬½ KDE plasma panel settings, so might be even unable to type answer |
| 12:14.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | so FSCKNG INCREDIBLY obfuscated and inconvenient |
| 12:15.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | just wanted to remove an applet and by one silly click removed my standard panel |
| 12:16.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course incl all applets |
| 12:16.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | F U KDE4!!! |
| 12:22.34 | kerio | lol why u mad tho |
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| 12:26.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, it's just a PITA |
| 12:28.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly can see why e.g. Rasterman is just using 6584 xterms on his desktop, nuttin else |
| 12:28.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | his colered-on-black theme though, with 4PT fonts, would drive me mad ;-D |
| 12:29.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | colored* |
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| 12:31.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus it's evidently unhealthy and unergonomic, since your eyes will adapt to low ambient brightness which (each photographer knows what I'm talking bout) is reducing both the reaction speed and the available resolution of the eye |
| 12:33.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway murphy seems determined to spoil my day, or that's all in preparation of tomorrow's end of the world already |
| 12:33.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | lemme test sth |
| 12:34.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~rfc BEHAVE |
| 12:34.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much |
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| 14:18.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 14:18.31 | infobot | DocScrutinizer51: thanks |
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| 14:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | please inform me when this direct connection xchat login ( DocScrutinizer51 ) gets too noisy |
| 14:33.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
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| 14:44.21 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: too noisy! |
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| 18:51.32 | freemangordon | ~seen ivgalvez |
| 18:51.39 | infobot | ivgalvez <~ivgalvez@89.140.113.138.static.user.ono.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 1h 44m 26s ago, saying: 'speak later'. |
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| 19:08.43 | kerio | maybe it's an order |
| 19:08.47 | kerio | -ahem- |
| 19:08.49 | kerio | LATER |
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| 20:16.02 | unclouded | big thanks to everyone who helped with u-boot. my N900 just booted Debian squeeze armel from uSD |
| 20:17.14 | rooster_rus | unclouded: how does it work? |
| 20:17.53 | unclouded | watchdog not being kicked yet so I haven't played with it but it shows a login prompt |
| 20:18.12 | rooster_rus | not much |
| 20:18.15 | rooster_rus | no X? |
| 20:18.47 | unclouded | probably will run X. I'm not using a Debian kernel, I'm using Maemo stock + fb by Pali |
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| 20:30.54 | freemangordon | unclouded: you will be even able to run sgx drivers from maemo |
| 20:31.08 | freemangordon | GLES accel that is |
| 20:31.31 | freemangordon | or better said - in theory ^^^ |
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| 21:44.37 | unclouded | oh dear. the watchdog really does need to work inside the initrd if the initrd is going to attempt to repair file systems |
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| 21:56.34 | kerio | hm, is there a way to put down the watchdog? |
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| 22:00.14 | unclouded | no idea. maybe I should look at the source for the watchdog package after I've rebuilt the fs from scratch. at least I can make notes this time |
| 22:00.46 | merlin1991 | unclouded: which watchdog? |
| 22:00.54 | merlin1991 | you can disable a few with flasher |
| 22:01.23 | unclouded | N900. I read that NOLO sets up the watchdog and it needs attention periodically otherwise it will power down |
| 22:01.37 | kerio | can't we unsetup it? |
| 22:02.06 | unclouded | so if an initrd wants to spend time with fsck then it should also reset the watchdog timer periodically |
| 22:02.14 | merlin1991 | if you set the device into r&d mode a few watchdog related things are turned off |
| 22:02.20 | int_ua | IIRC, developer mode |
| 22:02.24 | merlin1991 | just for testing |
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| 22:03.19 | kerio | merlin1991: does NOLO also enable the serial console that uses up power? |
| 22:03.42 | merlin1991 | kerio: don't ask me, I only have the high level view of that stuff :D |
| 22:04.52 | kerio | feature request for Pali: kernel module to pet the watchdog |
| 22:05.42 | merlin1991 | kerio the idea is to pet the watchdog from userspace so you can grab situations where the system has gone bonkers in userspace |
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| 22:06.05 | merlin1991 | a kernel module would leave you with a basically useless watchdog |
| 22:06.10 | kerio | we don't have that for normal computers, why do we have that for the n900? |
| 22:06.24 | merlin1991 | because the n900 is more than a computer ;) |
| 22:06.34 | kerio | why? what does it have? |
| 22:06.34 | unclouded | doesn't the kernel already have support? we have to do something to /dev/twl4030_wdt ( from userspace) |
| 22:06.37 | kerio | an integrated modem? |
| 22:06.41 | merlin1991 | and you don't worry about burning through your batter in the night when you pc is running |
| 22:06.55 | kerio | unclouded: i meant something that actually tickles the watchdog, not something that only provides access |
| 22:06.55 | merlin1991 | whilst a mad userspace on the n900 can ruin your connectivity when you need it |
| 22:07.05 | unclouded | ah, I understand now |
| 22:07.24 | kerio | merlin1991: a mad userspace is something to fix |
| 22:08.06 | merlin1991 | kerio: it is still desireable to recover from a mad user space on a battery based system |
| 22:08.16 | kerio | my laptop doesn't do that! |
| 22:08.28 | kerio | is against all things nokia |
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| 22:09.51 | merlin1991 | ping ludens |
| 22:09.53 | merlin1991 | err luf |
| 22:10.05 | merlin1991 | stufu non context aware autocoplete :D |
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| 22:35.51 | luke-jr_ | anyone want to have an IRC new years party in #tonal tonight? <.< |
| 22:39.32 | janemba_ | hello |
| 22:40.27 | janemba_ | Where can I download openvpn package ? It seems that .install have a corrupt URL or maemo extras repository does not contain this package |
| 22:43.20 | luf | janemba_: have you tried http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/openvpn/ ? |
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| 22:49.55 | luf | There is openvpn package in extras: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/o/openvpn/ |
| 22:51.08 | luf | .... and also newer in extras-devel (but extras should be more stable). It's not good idea to use extras-devel if you don't know what are you doing. |
| 22:51.33 | janemba_ | luf: yes |
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| 22:53.23 | luf | janemba_: I checked it with apt-get now and it works. |
| 22:53.54 | luf | janemba_: Have you tried HAM? |
| 22:54.12 | janemba_ | luf: hmmm...I'm using FAM but maybe I need to update my repos |
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| 22:55.09 | luf | Maybe yes. I did apt-get update; apt-get install openvpn |
| 22:55.21 | luf | And also check apt-cache show openvpn |
| 22:55.46 | kerio | janemba_: don't use fapman |
| 22:55.53 | kerio | it's kinda bad |
| 22:56.22 | janemba_ | kerio: oh ? So what AM should I use ? |
| 22:56.32 | luf | janemba_: HAM |
| 22:56.33 | kerio | if you want to use a graphical one, use HAM |
| 22:57.37 | int_ua | kerio: why is it bad? |
| 22:58.16 | luf | int_ua: it's too fast ;) |
| 22:58.56 | luf | I think it's ok when you don't upgrade cssu using fapman. But I saw such warning several time on maemo-cssu. |
| 22:58.57 | int_ua | kerio: it's a nokia thing, isn't it? ;) |
| 22:59.11 | kerio | int_ua: no, fapman isn't from nokia |
| 22:59.22 | kerio | it just does some freaky shit with dpkg |
| 22:59.39 | int_ua | luf: I upgrade CSSU using FAM |
| 23:00.00 | int_ua | kerio: HAM is nokia, I mean :) |
| 23:00.13 | kerio | oh, it is |
| 23:00.18 | kerio | that's why it's hopelessly bad |
| 23:00.30 | int_ua | that's what I'm saying |
| 23:01.04 | int_ua | what exactly with dpkg? |
| 23:01.50 | janemba_ | do you use openvpn-applet |
| 23:01.53 | janemba_ | ? |
| 23:02.12 | int_ua | janemba_: I did a year ago |
| 23:02.31 | kerio | int_ua: it uses its own repo cache, and last time i heard it didn't run some pre*/post* scripts |
| 23:03.02 | janemba_ | int_ua: Did you encounter some issues to import your vpn files ? |
| 23:03.07 | int_ua | kerio: oh, so that's why I had to reinstall u-boot in terminal |
| 23:03.31 | int_ua | janemba_: IIRC, no, do you? |
| 23:03.58 | int_ua | kerio: any bugreport link to follow? |
| 23:04.12 | kerio | idk |
| 23:04.56 | janemba_ | int_ua: it's ok I use openvpn from command-line :) |
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| 23:24.05 | BCMM | how well does XMPP work on the n900? |
| 23:24.33 | BCMM | i'm trying to test it with Gajim on my desktop, and they send IM to each other fine but both claim the other can't do voice calls |
| 23:27.04 | roostrus` | For me it's even skype calls do not work properly |
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| 23:50.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((so that's why I had to reinstall u-boot in terminal)) exactly. uBoot is one of those pkgs that definitely fail in fapman |