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| 03:48.55 | Gear | hi, I hvae a problem with all my navigation software, none of it will find any results for any search |
| 03:49.12 | Gear | if I open up a google maps page on the browser that works fine |
| 03:49.23 | Gear | the rest: nope |
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| 04:29.56 | Gear | Hi, I'm looking for a good car navigation app, and also a good outdoors navigation app |
| 04:30.15 | Gear | and also bicycle navigation |
| 04:30.59 | Gear | I've tried Maep, I have Mappero but that thing shouts at me in spanish or something, Cloudgps crashes after 4 seconds, and google maps is about the only thing that actually works |
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| 04:32.20 | Gear | I don't know why because mappero has worked fine for me when I initially installed it, despite the voice directions being useless |
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| 11:58.40 | Lava_Croft | Mappero is strange for not being able to find any searches, I had the same a while ago |
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| 12:10.57 | suid | i wanted to fix some bugs in it, but when i realized it wasn't opensource i got pretty bummed... |
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| 16:13.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly sometimes I have to wonder wtf is going on with council and board |
| 16:15.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems some guys like to cut their toe nails with the lawn mower |
| 16:16.10 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: ouch...that hurts |
| 16:16.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | but isn't it the truth? And yes that actually hurts, exactly in this context |
| 16:17.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | wag the dog ;-D |
| 16:17.11 | thedead1440 | :D |
| 16:17.21 | thedead1440 | you forgot the flea |
| 16:18.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | "we might consider moving http://talk.maemo.org to http://hildonfoundation.org/forum W*T*F?!?!!!?? |
| 16:18.28 | thedead1440 | ? |
| 16:18.31 | thedead1440 | where did that come from? |
| 16:18.35 | thedead1440 | and why? |
| 16:19.05 | thedead1440 | wasn't the main per-requisite when choosing HF as the name that it will never be the forum's home? |
| 16:19.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait til my mail to maemo-community with Reggie's quote of another closed mailing thread shows up |
| 16:19.17 | thedead1440 | s/per-requisite/pre-requisite |
| 16:19.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, actually Regiie already posted it |
| 16:20.42 | thedead1440 | any link pls? |
| 16:21.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | [ivgalvez at gmail.com] >>... I think the URL would also depend on hosting provider [??!!???]... On the other side we don't know if we want to keep tmo as forum domain ... << |
| 16:22.08 | thedead1440 | what is that? seriously no sense being made here |
| 16:23.27 | thedead1440 | if tmo doesn't want to be used why all the fuss of retaining maemo.org? |
| 16:23.58 | thedead1440 | might as well have said all this earlier; everything seems very dis-organized honestly... |
| 16:24.34 | thedead1440 | oh and i received a reply from a Mikko Tarkiainen saying "Nokia’s goal is that the maemo.org continues to serve the Maemo community. The community has done a great job in supporting both the developers and the consumers. Recently, Hildon Foundation has expressed an interest in taking over the maintenance of maemo.org." |
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| 16:25.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry not yet up in http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-December/ |
| 16:27.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooops it's still "closed" thread |
| 16:27.41 | thedead1440 | noted |
| 16:27.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | everybody and his dog in CC, but not any public ML |
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| 16:29.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even council-ML, just all of council's members by name in CC :-S |
| 16:29.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | but board at * twice |
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| 16:31.30 | ivgalvez | why are you spreading such FUD? |
| 16:31.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already explained to them in my answer, to a) DA F*CK KEEP THE URL for tmo, otherwise pissing of 99.99% of community by breaking their bookmarks and links. And b) DO THAT DISCUSSION PUBLIC! |
| 16:32.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ivgalvez: FUD? just quoting you |
| 16:32.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll happily forward the whole mail from Reggie to community ML to prove that's NO fud |
| 16:38.05 | ivgalvez | that conversation was including chemist, new TMO administrator, yet to be appointed |
| 16:38.25 | ivgalvez | qwazix, council member and in case of need new sysadmin for TMO |
| 16:38.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | get your nomenclature right |
| 16:38.37 | ivgalvez | and reggie |
| 16:38.55 | ivgalvez | there is nothing but just to keep reggie updated |
| 16:39.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | good luck with that one |
| 16:39.22 | ivgalvez | and asking him if we could rent one more month of hosting if needed |
| 16:39.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok I'll forward it |
| 16:39.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | to maemo-community ML, you asked for it |
| 16:40.30 | ivgalvez | no I didn't |
| 16:40.40 | ivgalvez | I think you are acting a bit weird |
| 16:40.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | You accused me of spreading fud while I just quoted you. twice |
| 16:41.38 | ivgalvez | I don't want to argue with you I simply do not understand your behaviour |
| 16:42.00 | ivgalvez | and your rudeness against every one |
| 16:42.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's mutal |
| 16:42.12 | ivgalvez | am I rude? |
| 16:42.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, quite a lot |
| 16:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | less by words than by what you state and what you don't say |
| 16:43.31 | ivgalvez | let's be clear |
| 16:43.43 | ivgalvez | I'll be happy to keep TMO on talk.maemo.org |
| 16:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | you asked for it a third time |
| 16:44.35 | ivgalvez | but that would depend on Nemein and Nokia |
| 16:44.46 | thedead1440 | ivgalvez: maybe it a bit clearer? you won't only be happy but its a pre-requisite that tmo stays on talk.maemo.org? |
| 16:44.47 | ivgalvez | as maemo.org is not yet transferred to HF |
| 16:45.17 | ivgalvez | I can't say that it's a pre-requisite |
| 16:46.04 | ivgalvez | if Nokia descides not to transfer the doamin at the end of now a very long negotiation |
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| 16:46.18 | ivgalvez | we won't be able to use that |
| 16:46.37 | thedead1440 | didn't SD69 post that he is awaiting just a document to arrive which would do the transfer? It seemed from posts that maemo.org was already secured? |
| 16:46.37 | ivgalvez | but that will only be known in a few months |
| 16:46.52 | ivgalvez | yes, but with legal issues it's not that simple |
| 16:47.16 | ivgalvez | documents are very complicated and it's still being talked |
| 16:47.28 | ivgalvez | I hope it will finish OK |
| 16:47.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nemein already publicly stated that they will change DNS entries as needed as soon as needed |
| 16:48.23 | ivgalvez | but that only applies for the time being |
| 16:48.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | here you are: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-December/005829.html |
| 16:48.28 | ivgalvez | which is good |
| 16:49.04 | ivgalvez | I have absolutely nothing against hosting TMO at Nemein for the time being |
| 16:49.23 | ivgalvez | that implies that we don't need to pay for that hosting |
| 16:49.28 | ivgalvez | for at least two months |
| 16:50.10 | ivgalvez | regarding the movement of the DB from US to EU I have nothing to say, I'm not a lawyer |
| 16:50.31 | ivgalvez | however cionfronting your arguments against SD69 is quite difficult |
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| 16:50.57 | ivgalvez | as you are making much more noise than needed |
| 16:51.06 | ivgalvez | take example from Jaffa for example |
| 16:51.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | > >> > On the other side, I don't know if we want to keep talk.maemo.org as forum domain if it's, in fact, also related with Harmattan (maybe Maemo 6, OK) and in the future it might become home for other OS's (Jolla, Mer...??). But I think that would bring us even more drama than just the simple battle between U.S. or E.U. ... |
| 16:52.24 | ivgalvez | that's just a personal funny comment |
| 16:52.42 | ivgalvez | which is by no meansBOard decission |
| 16:53.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not funny, it exposes a sad amount of ignorance about technical requirements at large |
| 16:53.36 | ivgalvez | by the way your continuous comments against Council and Board are quite worriyng |
| 16:53.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I'd say it's scary at best |
| 16:54.59 | ivgalvez | let me change the subject for a moment |
| 16:55.08 | ivgalvez | I have to leave in a few moments |
| 16:55.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh annoying? guess how pisse *I* felt reading all that stuff of last 2 or 3 days that completely bypassed me, just a hour ago |
| 16:55.19 | ivgalvez | and I need to comment something |
| 16:55.42 | ivgalvez | scratchbox.org needs hosting |
| 16:56.03 | thedead1440 | it can't be hosted with all other maemo infra? |
| 16:56.06 | ivgalvez | Nemein reclaims them 150 $ month and 600 $ for migration |
| 16:56.33 | ivgalvez | I don't know because: |
| 16:56.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that's incl admin that's an extremely fair offer |
| 16:56.42 | ivgalvez | a) the infra for maemo.org is not ours |
| 16:57.08 | ivgalvez | b) migration of non maemo.org services is not paid by Nokia |
| 16:57.18 | ivgalvez | they need to answer tomorrow!!! |
| 16:57.27 | ivgalvez | it's unnafordable |
| 16:57.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh |
| 16:57.47 | ivgalvez | so we might need a backup plan for that |
| 16:57.53 | thedead1440 | how huge is scratchbox.org? |
| 16:58.08 | ivgalvez | not much, only 80GB |
| 16:58.13 | thedead1440 | we have it hosted at skeiron.org; i mean the sdks for all iterations; if they take it offline we have a copy |
| 16:58.19 | thedead1440 | we can host it tomorrow itself then |
| 16:59.55 | thedead1440 | 80gb and i don't think it requires more than 10tb of bandwidth/month |
| 17:00.01 | thedead1440 | a vps itself would suffice |
| 17:00.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | has a short glance at http://hildonfoundation.org/supporters/, mumbles "2300" and "unaffordable", shakes head and wanders off |
| 17:00.14 | ivgalvez | anyway I'll try with Nokia and Nemein and see if we can include it in our infra for free for the time being |
| 17:00.43 | ivgalvez | DocScrutinizer05, 150$ a month |
| 17:00.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | INCL ADMIN???? |
| 17:01.01 | ivgalvez | plus what we will have to pay after 2 months |
| 17:01.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | you dafaq won't get it any cheaper! |
| 17:01.19 | ivgalvez | I don't know if it includes admin |
| 17:01.45 | thedead1440 | shouldn't we use community admins instead on a voluntary basis? |
| 17:02.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | never flies |
| 17:02.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | admin has to be responsible, and dedicated. You can't to the master admin on a voluntary basis |
| 17:02.39 | ivgalvez | I need to leave now, I'll give more info when I have it |
| 17:03.03 | thedead1440 | Aren't you the master admin Doc? |
| 17:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | If we find a professional admin that offers to have a 20min an eye on that box among his other 100 boxen, that might work |
| 17:03.24 | thedead1440 | http://virpus.com/budget-vps/xen.html this would cost 20bucks/mth; substantial savings over the 150 they charge |
| 17:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: I'm the fool |
| 17:03.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | and recently got degraded |
| 17:03.43 | thedead1440 | common |
| 17:03.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I#m not anything right now, except councilor |
| 17:04.05 | ivgalvez | DocScrutinizer05 when did you got degraded? |
| 17:04.24 | ivgalvez | you refused to admin anything in the U.S. |
| 17:04.32 | ivgalvez | but there is nothing yet to admin |
| 17:04.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, if you don't even recall your own mails as of 2 days ago, I can't help |
| 17:04.50 | ivgalvez | so qwazix volunteered to admin TMO if necessary |
| 17:05.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | again, good luck with that |
| 17:05.28 | thedead1440 | seriously what admin is required for scratchbox.org Doc? surely this is easy for you, no? |
| 17:05.36 | ivgalvez | so does it means that you are resigning? |
| 17:05.59 | thedead1440 | some calming down required, perhaps? |
| 17:06.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: iptables, kernel updates, CERT warnings twice a day? nope |
| 17:06.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | not my business |
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| 17:06.14 | ivgalvez | because we really need an admin manager |
| 17:07.00 | ivgalvez | please think it twice |
| 17:07.05 | ivgalvez | I need to leave |
| 17:07.13 | ivgalvez | speak later |
| 17:08.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm really happy about each mail I made visible to public, for documentation |
| 17:09.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | shakes head once more and wanders off |
| 17:10.00 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: calm down, you are required why give up so easily? Disagreements will happen and can be resolved after all... |
| 17:10.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | mumbling "my grandchildren won't believe me when I eventually telling them this story" |
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| 17:11.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not resigning, I just define my own involvement and responsibility taken by the ANDing all the contradicting statements from board |
| 17:12.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | then again ANDing all that against what I offered to do |
| 17:12.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | the result is pretty much 0x0000 |
| 17:12.26 | thedead1440 | so contradicting statements means you are not degraded too ;) all this actually needs to be publicly discussed instead of closed threads where nobody knows whats happening....my 2cents |
| 17:13.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and "statements" is not only verbal but also by actions |
| 17:13.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | like NOT including me to discussions |
| 17:14.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOT asking me for advice or comment |
| 17:14.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOT keeping me up to date |
| 17:15.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOT even noticing when I suggest professional sysops, rather blaming me for aleggedly not having done so |
| 17:15.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, cya |
| 17:15.57 | thedead1440 | relax, they may be confused too |
| 17:16.33 | thedead1440 | seems like there is no real control over things; only opinions flying everywhere without anything being coherent |
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| 19:49.38 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it could still be worse |
| 19:49.45 | kerio | for instance, i've got the flu :c |
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| 19:53.14 | SpeedEvil | I have a toothache, and am trying to make an appointment for an extraction |
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| 22:12.32 | ShadowJK | at 8pm? |
| 22:12.44 | ShadowJK | seems tough |
| 22:15.29 | RiD | take the red pill |
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| 22:34.25 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yes, I failed today. I have solved it temporarily by a 5v AC square wave across the gum line |
| 22:35.03 | ShadowJK | seriously? |
| 22:38.28 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:39.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>>SpeedEvil<<< |
| 22:39.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | awesome |
| 22:39.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, not that it hurts |
| 22:39.41 | ShadowJK | would've suggested a "bedtime" cocktail of 1000mg ibuprofein and 1000mg paracetamol |
| 22:39.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | no paracetamol |
| 22:40.11 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2175474/ |
| 22:40.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1000mg may already be liver toxic |
| 22:40.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | esp when taken with alcohol |
| 22:41.09 | SpeedEvil | well, I've taken 500mg paracetamol, 300mg aspirin, 300mg ibuprofen |
| 22:41.42 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05, you can take 3000 per day |
| 22:41.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | per day maybe |
| 22:42.13 | ShadowJK | 1000 max per taking, then you need to space it out |
| 22:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | though they plan to completely forbid it |
| 22:43.03 | ShadowJK | The aspirin is mostly redundant in that mix |
| 22:43.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | medical doctors and scientists say they don't know why it's still used, since it's not really strong and way too dangerous |
| 22:43.58 | ShadowJK | Well, there isn't any other prescription-free not NSAID pain reliever out there |
| 22:44.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd recommend 600mg ibu |
| 22:44.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | and drop the rest |
| 22:45.32 | SpeedEvil | indeed. last time it happened (a decade ago) paracetamol/aspirin/ibuprofen at maximum dose diddn't help. |
| 22:45.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | aspirin is also not really effective as pain killer, but does a super job as blood thinner, for 3 or 4 days after ingestion |
| 22:45.57 | SpeedEvil | ~150hz square wave across the gum did |
| 22:46.13 | SpeedEvil | so was trying a combination |
| 22:47.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | for me ibuprofen helped best, last time I had that problem maybe 9 months ago |
| 22:48.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I tested all three |
| 22:48.09 | ShadowJK | Ibu should calm down the swelling and inflammation, and put less pressure and strain on the nerve, as well as dampen some of the chemical pain transmitters. Paracetamol does nothing of that, but it acts through the central nervous system as painkiller. The mix is complementary, and if you take the maximum dose in one burst, when you're fatigued, it might give enough temporary relief that you can fall asleep, and hopefully note wake up too soon as the pain |
| 22:48.15 | ShadowJK | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.10 | ShadowJK | It totally fails if your brain suddenly goes "Ah, no pain, now I can get stuff done!" |
| 22:49.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds reasonable |
| 22:49.49 | ShadowJK | once worked at a military hospital :P |
| 22:50.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | would also explain why paracetamol didn't help for me, my brain si immune to such stuff ;-D |
| 22:51.57 | ShadowJK | The downside of Paracetamol is that it destroys your liver. The downside of Ibu (and aspirin, and most other NSAIDs) is that it makes your stomach bleed. Alcohol does both |
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| 22:52.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | aspirin much worse than ibu, i'd guess |
| 22:53.06 | SpeedEvil | and morphine has its own fun side effects. |
| 22:53.08 | ShadowJK | Well Aspirin has the bonus of making your blood thinner, so if you bleed anywhere it doesn't clot as fast |
| 22:53.13 | SpeedEvil | (no, not taking) |
| 22:53.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | aspirin almost kills me, unless I swallow it with 1+L of water |
| 22:53.32 | ShadowJK | Ibu used to do that for me |
| 22:53.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: morphine doesn't really help on tooth ache either |
| 22:53.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | or that's again just me |
| 22:54.00 | ShadowJK | Feeling of someone attaching a powertool to my stomach and trying to tie it into a knot, then frothlike acidy burps |
| 22:54.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 22:55.07 | ShadowJK | I'm fascinated by the 5V squarewave, what are you using as electrode, how far apart etc |
| 22:55.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 22:55.16 | ShadowJK | What kind of relief is it providing? |
| 22:55.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and: **could we make an app out of that?** |
| 22:55.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D |
| 22:56.07 | ShadowJK | booston-boostoff is only 2.5V peak to peak ;-) |
| 22:56.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | voltage doubler ;-) |
| 22:56.39 | ShadowJK | uh, that was wrong but you know what I mean |
| 22:56.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, actually nope |
| 22:57.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | since err it's a square wave |
| 22:57.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah yes |
| 22:57.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | but SpeedEvil didn't explain if peak2peak or average 5V |
| 22:58.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, if it's symetrical around zero or pulsed DC |
| 23:02.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>class II device restricted to use on the prescription of a licenced physician<< MEH! |
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| 23:38.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha, prisoners escaped 20th floor prison. Through a window with 12.7cm width SUUUURE! |
| 23:38.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe inch |
| 23:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>But exactly how Banks and Conley slipped through a window just 5 inches wide was not immediately clear.<< |
| 23:44.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | must be real flatheads |
| 23:45.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe they placed that rope there as a red herring for the investigators |