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| 11:13.36 | ShadowJK | wonders how much running extras builder on AWS would cost |
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| 11:18.06 | RST38h | ShadowJK: In kittens killed? |
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| 11:22.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | why AQWS? |
| 11:22.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | AWS |
| 11:22.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | moo btw |
| 11:24.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a hefty discussion going on behind the scenes whether we should rent a server just for tmo now, or rather get a big iron with unlimited traffic and sufficient storage (>=2TB) and RAM (>=16GB) and CPU grunt, and run VMs on that |
| 11:25.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm all for the latter, since administration would be way easier, for the whole thing |
| 11:25.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | also it's for sure cheaper |
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| 11:26.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | main cost factor however is administration, since you need a dedicated responsible expert to deal with backups, updates, security threats, hw defects, whatnot else |
| 11:27.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is *not* a task for casual admin volunteers, however willing they might be to help |
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| 11:30.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | requirements for such an administrator are: 24/7 available, daily checks of CERT warnings etc, daily checks of server's syslog, munin/other-diagnostic-tool, regular updates of system. etc pp |
| 11:31.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | for migration the tasks also include setup of the new system, which is a fulltime job for several days, even weeks |
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| 11:42.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's the theoretical option to get managed servers, where a part of those recurring tasks is done by the hoster. But those are so expensive that you could find your own admin and pay him for doing that job for you. and main argument against managed servers: you don't have full control over your server, means you're not free to install/configure whatever you like on it |
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| 13:50.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok, modem once more doesn't connect data/GPRS when on 2G. What's been your suggestions? restart sccd? |
| 13:53.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 13:53.01 | infobot | ~pong |
| 13:53.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 13:53.08 | infobot | ~pong |
| 13:53.27 | ShadowJK | cycle via offline mode |
| 13:53.55 | ShadowJK | VMs are nice in the way you can quickly move entire system from one plac to another |
| 13:54.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | didn't work last time |
| 13:54.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | i'll try again, bbiab |
| 13:54.39 | kerio | try restarting sscd, it should be a bit more than offline mode |
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| 13:55.06 | ShadowJK | can switch between 3g and 2g and back without losing the connection |
| 13:55.37 | kerio | never actually tried that on the n900, my operator is 3g-only |
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| 14:00.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 14:00.42 | infobot | ~pong |
| 14:00.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | back |
| 14:00.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | no luck |
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| 14:02.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'll reboot, known to cure this :-/ |
| 14:02.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | bbl |
| 14:03.58 | Aoyagi_joytop | restart, reboot, reinstall |
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| 14:07.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 14:07.00 | infobot | ~pong |
| 14:07.27 | luf | DocScrutinizer51: who is winning? |
| 14:07.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-)|:-/ |
| 14:08.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | luf: boot |
| 14:08.42 | kerio | so... cellmo won |
| 14:09.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | yup |
| 14:09.07 | kerio | i bet he did that on purpose |
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| 14:16.33 | suid | hmmm... i accidentally deleted my whole MyDocs-folder, so now everything looks a bit odd :). any suggestions? is there some fancy package i can install? |
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| 14:17.34 | kerio | MyDocs contains user data |
| 14:17.42 | kerio | what do you mean everything looks odd? |
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| 14:18.00 | kerio | the directories are recreated at boot time, so just reboot |
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| 14:19.36 | suid | ok, then i've messed something else up |
| 14:19.46 | suid | i've got no fonts |
| 14:19.51 | suid | and no icons |
| 14:21.03 | ShadowJK | i guess you deleted more than just the MyDocs directory :/ |
| 14:21.34 | cehteh | just restore your backup from the day before |
| 14:21.34 | suid | i was trying to setup a development environment on my phone, and something must have went wrong |
| 14:23.18 | kerio | yep, something seriously wrong |
| 14:23.24 | kerio | suid: restore a full backup |
| 14:23.51 | kerio | like, a backupmenu backup |
| 14:23.55 | suid | yeah, i guess i'll have to do that when i get back home |
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| 14:31.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | suid: you probably nuked /home or /opt |
| 14:32.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ding |
| 14:32.17 | infobot | dong |
| 14:32.21 | suid | yeah, i think so too |
| 14:32.48 | suid | actually, i'm sure of it, since i moved stuff around to make room |
| 14:32.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | check 'mount' |
| 14:33.22 | suid | can't check anything, since i don't have any fonts, i can't see anything |
| 14:33.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | you might be able to undo what you did |
| 14:33.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | ssh? |
| 14:33.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | via wlan? |
| 14:33.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | or BM shell |
| 14:34.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | or rescueOS |
| 14:34.10 | suid | yeah, but i'm not at home, so i don't know which ip the phone has |
| 14:34.34 | suid | i'll probably just reflash it. it's full of crud anyhow. |
| 14:34.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | good plan |
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| 14:35.33 | chem|st_ | has not volunteered, he was volunteered |
| 14:36.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: :-) |
| 14:36.19 | chem|st | HOLIDAYZ! |
| 14:36.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | hey!!!! |
| 14:36.40 | chem|st | is finally on vacation now |
| 14:37.19 | luf | chem|st: so you'll work 12 hours per day on N900 now. Good :) |
| 14:37.38 | chem|st | luf: your aunt is! |
| 14:37.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | seems luf beat me on that comment |
| 14:38.39 | chem|st | I will get my sister to do that next week while i'm surfing dungeons in diablo3! |
| 14:39.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | already divorced? ;-D |
| 14:40.07 | chem|st | nope, she's coming over to my place 2morow |
| 14:40.33 | chem|st | and pls don"t make fun of that |
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| 14:43.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry |
| 14:43.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | not exactly meant as fun |
| 14:43.31 | merlin1991 | somebody got a definite guide on using the dummy network plugin to use and over usb connection? |
| 14:44.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: only seen one for diablo |
| 14:44.28 | merlin1991 | chem|st: so in other words you took vacation when your sister is over so she can cook for you do your loundry do your cssu work whilst you play diablo3? |
| 14:44.45 | luf | merlin1991: there is one on wiki |
| 14:44.51 | merlin1991 | s/loundry/laundry/ |
| 14:45.15 | luf | I want such vacation too :D |
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| 14:49.06 | merlin1991 | hm theres https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking#Behind_the_scenes |
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| 14:53.10 | luf | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking chapter Using USB networking for Maemo applications |
| 14:53.55 | luf | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Using_USB_networking_for_Maemo_applications |
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| 15:28.09 | chem|st | merlin1991: exactly! |
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| 15:47.02 | pog | hello, I tryed despotify and while login in it seem's to freeze. I tryed it several times. |
| 15:48.04 | pog | I have to kill the xterm to exit the applicaton. |
| 15:51.27 | pog | I don't see, what can be wrong (after this description http://e90myway.blogspot.ch/2010/01/despotify-live-sort-of.html) |
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| 19:39.02 | RzR | hi |
| 19:39.19 | RzR | do u know how to use a lumia on a gnu/linux env ? |
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| 19:45.49 | RzR | https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=2576;forum=1;msg=138395 |
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| 20:11.14 | kerio | hm, what creates the ham_updates_status_menu_item// alarmd cookie? |
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| 20:19.27 | joga | RzR somehow... I wouldn't expect much from a windows phone with regard to gnu/linux compatibility |
| 20:19.51 | joga | my friend who had some older lumia whatever told that it required some shitty 250MB zune package to even transfer a single mp3 file on it |
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| 21:29.40 | RzR | joga: and off course zune wont work in wine ? |
| 21:30.00 | joga | RzR, dunno |
| 21:30.10 | RzR | http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=18455 |
| 21:30.18 | joga | I would assume there has to be some way without a vm and a windows license, but not sure |
| 21:31.08 | joga | well, wine doesn't look encouraging :) |
| 21:32.14 | joga | and neither is this: http://aaporantalainen.wordpress.com/2012/01/27/nokia-lumia-800-for-linux-developer/ |
| 21:32.45 | joga | RzR, which lumia model do you have? |
| 21:33.22 | RzR | 800 donno about the bootloader |
| 21:34.44 | RzR | the fake n9 |
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| 21:35.19 | joga | seems that at least 710 works with ubuntu 12.04 http://www.todoleo.com/2012/05/nokia-lumia-710-and-ubuntu-they-speak.html |
| 21:37.10 | RzR | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:41.56 | RzR | http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=wince&#harware_nokia_lumia_800 |
| 21:48.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | seems I'm going to set up a server at hetzner.de and 'donate' it to maemo.org |
| 21:48.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | got a friend to help me with system administration |
| 21:49.48 | RzR | nice |
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| 21:50.52 | Pali | somebody still developing MCE, see: https://github.com/nemomobile/mce/commits/master |
| 21:50.59 | Pali | last commit from Dec 10, 2012 |
| 21:51.35 | ShadowJK | is vaguely reminded of his past involvement in shady interwebs where everything ran on donated hw, much of it changing monthly if not daily, but stitched together with ssh tunnels and magic in such a way that such changes were invisible to users |
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| 22:24.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: what is it that reminds you of those times? |
| 22:24.55 | ShadowJK | Maybe a longing wishing maemo infra was built with distributability and portability in mind |
| 22:25.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah |
| 22:25.22 | ShadowJK | like, the builders would be a nice contained unit like that |
| 22:25.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | funny detail: that friend of mine suggested running tmo on a VM, on a dedicated server for 50EUR, from Hetzner |
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| 22:26.19 | ShadowJK | My current dedi is like 38/month (excl vat) |
| 22:26.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and he offered doing the backup to his own box he got there |
| 22:26.44 | ShadowJK | wouldn't trust anyone of you to have access to it though |
| 22:27.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 22:27.19 | ShadowJK | (root access) |
| 22:28.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why my friend is doing the system admin, and not any "volunteer" from here |
| 22:28.08 | ShadowJK | The day after I'd find my /home has vanished, someone rebooted the server 5 times from a webgui, 3 times from CLI, and submitted 7 hard-reset requests to the datacentre |
| 22:29.12 | ShadowJK | On day 2 there'd be a zillion apache processes and multi-gigabyte ram consuming mysql monster |
| 22:29.33 | ShadowJK | etc :P |
| 22:29.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, my friend wouldn't submit hardreset requests to datacenter, he does it himself, he "is the datacenter" |
| 22:30.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | he formerly worked for hetzner |
| 22:30.30 | ShadowJK | It was more of a statement against the "must reboot twice a day" belief some admins have |
| 22:31.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, his dedicated host has a uptime of 180 days right now, he told me |
| 22:32.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | we agreed to phone tomorrow, without having a beer before ;-D |
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| 22:32.21 | ShadowJK | This is the third or fourth enivax I have. My host has really good rates and reliability, but they do a "throw out all servers and move everyone to better ones" thing occasionally |
| 22:32.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | so expect that server to be up and running and available for messing around with, on sunday |
| 22:32.41 | ShadowJK | So last two machines I didn't get to reboot even once :-/ |
| 22:32.46 | ShadowJK | probably 2 years each? |
| 22:32.59 | ShadowJK | not having local users is advantage ;P |
| 22:33.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel updates are a pain though |
| 22:33.23 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 22:33.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise my cloud-7 box would have an uptime of 3 years now |
| 22:33.49 | ShadowJK | I don't do it unless it's problem remotely explotable through something that's relevant on my machine |
| 22:35.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | we discussed a quite interesting problem: whether subdomains like wiki.maemo.org, hosted on VM, need an own IP |
| 22:35.29 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 22:35.31 | ShadowJK | But, |
| 22:36.01 | ShadowJK | No buts |
| 22:37.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I asked if the dedicated server could do routing based on URLs, and seems it once could, but now no more thanks SSL |
| 22:37.15 | ShadowJK | It's possible to have them on different ports, and have a light frontend server serve iframes to infraserverblach.maemo.org:81 |
| 22:38.15 | ShadowJK | It requires the cooperation of the host server hosting the VM for sure, and I don't know if technology exists |
| 22:38.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's why I'm no sysadmin. I got no decent idea whether that works or not |
| 22:41.17 | ShadowJK | In the longer run, we'd want maemo hosting stuff to be as non-intrusive as possible to set up on a machine |
| 22:42.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | idotic spam "changelog as promised" :-S |
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| 22:59.02 | iluminator105 | n900 connection error |
| 23:00.06 | iluminator105 | n900 network connection error |
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| 23:12.16 | ManoftheSea | DocScrutinizer05: Thanks for the links. I've soldered a mini-usb back to the power, though I don't understand how to get to the upstream components for data. |
| 23:12.34 | ManoftheSea | I don't need the data connection, just the simple short to draw up to 1A from a charger. |
| 23:13.04 | ManoftheSea | How do you remove the metal chip guards (emission guard?) |
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| 23:13.53 | iluminator105 | when i try to connection to wifi i get network connection error |
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