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| 05:35.48 | rZr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88236# #Nokia #Ovi #Store will lose billing support on #N9 in #china , #MeeGo #HarmattanDev !n950club |
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| 06:36.22 | jpinx | new operating system, Sailfish - created by the team behind the cancelled MeeGo system. |
| 06:36.43 | jpinx | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20553656 |
| 06:37.28 | jpinx | anything similar for maemo ? |
| 06:40.19 | rZr | same roots |
| 06:40.59 | wmarone | a lot of the same team |
| 06:41.04 | jpinx | sure -- but will it run my n900 ? ;) |
| 06:41.48 | wmarone | well, much of the core already does |
| 06:43.20 | jpinx | I haven't dared try to get meego onto my n900 - I rely on it too much |
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| 06:46.54 | LaoLang_cool | anyone has ctags for maemo? |
| 06:47.56 | LaoLang_cool | I found one, it's version is 5.6, a little old, and more important, it works not well for me... |
| 06:51.02 | neil | what's the best way to dual boot an N900 from eMMC and uSD? I can see tutorials for bootmenu, multiboot and uboot-pr13. which should I use? |
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| 07:04.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't use multiboot |
| 07:08.30 | neil | ok thx. is u-boot the way to go then? I got this N900 second hand. it has kernel 2.6.28-omap1 and release RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1.002_PR_002, which seems to be newer than the latest available download. do I need to be careful, or will installing uboot-pr13 just work nicely? |
| 07:09.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | uBoot is the most clean implementation. i'd prefer it |
| 07:10.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | check your kernel with uname -a |
| 07:10.43 | neil | it says: Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Sun Aug 8 09:50:47 BST 2010 armv7l unknown |
| 07:11.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | uBoot is replacing your current kernel by a version bundled with uBoot |
| 07:11.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | should be ok for uBoot |
| 07:12.34 | neil | if I install uboot-pr13 it wants to remove kernel-power. that OK though isn't it because uBoot will flash mtd3 with uBoot + a kernel that will work with my userspace no matter what? |
| 07:13.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, your uname doesn't look like KP |
| 07:13.58 | neil | maybe the package is installed but the last user flashed something else to mtd3? I'm not very confident and I want to avoid making the phone unbootable |
| 07:14.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | you always can recover by flashing it |
| 07:14.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, it will most likely render it unbootable when you replace powerkernel by uBoot |
| 07:15.37 | neil | ok, cool thx. and if I flash the kernel from the 2009SE_20.2010.36-2 it will be a small downgrade but will boot? |
| 07:16.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably your best option is to reflash nonetheless, to know what's state of your N900 |
| 07:16.03 | neil | oh dear, so the userspace ( or initfs) depends tightly on the kernel? |
| 07:16.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | the kernel depends on kernel modules in rootfs |
| 07:17.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel of 20.2010.36 and 21.2011.38 are identical |
| 07:17.55 | neil | rly? thx. where do I even find 21.2011.38? |
| 07:18.12 | neil | it's not on the page where you have to enter your IMEI |
| 07:18.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's an OTA security update |
| 07:18.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | only |
| 07:18.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | newest fiasco is 20.2010.36 |
| 07:19.05 | neil | thx so much, I'm starting to worry less |
| 07:21.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest you do a "backup" (which creates a list of apps to re-install, plus their settings), then flash PR1.3 aka 20.2010.36, and then "restore" your apps. Then you got an idea what's really on your device |
| 07:21.30 | neil | so if I install uboot-pr13, it will flash mtd3 but not mtd4 but that's OK because the kernel in uboot-pr13 is compatible with the initfs? |
| 07:22.01 | neil | PR1.3 == 20.2010.36. suddenly clearer |
| 07:22.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | 21.2011.38 == Pr1.3.1 |
| 07:23.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | but since all that doesn't tell much about your kernel, I suggest you do a clean restart |
| 07:24.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you never know what the former owner really did |
| 07:24.47 | neil | it would be nice to start from a clean slate. do I absolutely have to wipe the eMMC though? |
| 07:25.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should |
| 07:25.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | you also should have a backup of your MyDocs data |
| 07:25.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and possibly a backup of your /home/user |
| 07:25.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | which isn't exactly easy to create |
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| 07:26.27 | neil | ok. will do it all as directed then to be safest |
| 07:26.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you got BackupMenu, you can do proper almost complete backup (without kernel) |
| 07:27.09 | neil | can I just rsync over SSH to a backup server? |
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| 07:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 07:27.24 | neil | ok, sweet |
| 07:27.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 07:27.44 | infobot | i guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 07:27.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | see bottom of that page |
| 07:28.33 | neil | just the last snippet relating to rsync? |
| 07:28.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, see complete page, others found it has "interesting useful info" |
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| 07:45.56 | neil | is 10.2010.13-2 the latest eMMC? |
| 07:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, afaik |
| 07:48.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are only two of them |
| 07:49.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know this page, do you? |
| 07:49.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flash |
| 07:49.18 | infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 07:52.21 | neil | yes, found that one but it's reassuring to have it recommended |
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| 08:09.48 | eichi | hello. the default video player stops playing if I blank the screen with the screen lock hardware slider. is there a way to stop this? |
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| 08:12.21 | Aoyagi_joytop | -clear |
| 08:12.25 | Aoyagi_joytop | breh |
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| 09:26.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | eichi: not afaik |
| 09:26.30 | eichi | DocScrutinizer05, okay :/ |
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| 10:30.58 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: lol... he isn't really asking "moderators" to be future "serveradmins"?! |
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| 10:42.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: hmm? |
| 10:42.55 | ShadowJK | that sounds like a recipie for disaster |
| 10:43.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: if you're talking about me, no I'm not suggesting mods to magically change to server-admins, just to forum-admins/owners |
| 10:44.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | for server administration at large, I'm still hoping board can afford to pay a real admin to do that job on a professional basis |
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| 10:45.14 | ivgalvez | hi there |
| 10:45.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | since such a guy at least has to keep daily track of cert warnings and system security updates, and do a daily backup |
| 10:45.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi ivgalvez |
| 10:46.21 | ivgalvez | I was reading logs |
| 10:46.57 | ivgalvez | shouldn't daily backups be automated? |
| 10:47.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 10:47.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you need to check if they succeeded |
| 10:48.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | also you maybe don't do daily security updates |
| 10:48.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you need to do it in a timely manner when needed |
| 10:49.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you need to check daily *if* it's needed to close some vulnerabilities |
| 10:49.46 | ivgalvez | yep |
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| 10:50.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | some guy in that tmo thread questioned the need of autobuilder. I wonder what's the alternative. uploading blobs and hoping for source being inline with the binary, and the binary not being malware in fact? |
| 10:52.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly running services like autobuilder is no effort, doesn't matter if you got one or 5 autobuilders up and running |
| 10:52.06 | ivgalvez | we already proposed Nemein to retire autobuilder for Maemo versions before Fremantle |
| 10:52.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ |
| 10:52.16 | ivgalvez | as there are no usual builds for them |
| 10:52.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't save us anything |
| 10:52.42 | ivgalvez | and use a VM for autobuilder on Fremantle as the amount of buildings is not so huge |
| 10:53.13 | ivgalvez | administrating it, would be painful in any case |
| 10:53.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest not to let nemein do all that, and I suggest board doesn't suggest technical details that board, with all due respect, has no clue about |
| 10:54.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/to board/to nemein/ |
| 10:54.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | err nevermind |
| 10:55.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest not to let nemein do all that, and I suggest board doesn't suggest technical details to nemein, that board - with all due respect - has no clue about |
| 10:55.21 | Pali | u-boot is in extras-devel |
| 10:55.33 | Pali | autobuilder working |
| 10:55.39 | Pali | but wiki still not :-( |
| 10:55.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 10:55.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's nemein for you |
| 10:56.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I feel reluctant to hire such service for huge amounts of money for our future infra |
| 10:59.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui nemein is about to buy 5 units http://www.fujitsu.com/fi/products/computing/servers/primergy/rack/rx300/, migrate all stuff to those for immense amounts of money, and then drops that crap on board's feet, asking for colocation fees of several hundered EUR per month, no admin at all, and no bugs fixed |
| 11:00.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | this will be the end of maemo.org |
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| 11:03.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly according to http://nemein.com/en/ they are no server admins, they offer development of web-services |
| 11:04.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui that (for unknown reasons non-public) maemo-infra.pdf paper tells that whole infra needs ~1.9TB, but they throw 5 64GB-RAM octocore servers on it |
| 11:04.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds a tad unbalanced |
| 11:06.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and honestly, taking down 3 of 5 autobuilders doesn't save us anything regarding requirements of that infra |
| 11:06.35 | neil | which package contains "u-boot-update-bootmenu"? |
| 11:06.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 11:06.51 | infobot | somebody said pkg was http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 11:07.07 | neil | ~u-boot-update-bootmenu |
| 11:08.11 | neil | ah, cool thx. no packages include that command apparently |
| 11:12.59 | neil | got it at http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/u-boot-tools/2012.10-rc3-1/ |
| 11:13.09 | neil | thank you |
| 11:14.25 | fasta | Can I export all contacts to a given directory from the CLI? |
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| 11:17.42 | ShadowJK | 2 TB storage or 2 TB ram? |
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| 11:18.16 | Pali | fasta, write simple python program which export contacts from ebook. our abook in maemo is bases on evolution, so you can use python ebook module |
| 11:18.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: err, dunno how to do that from CLI, but I guess there should be a possibility, since some apps are doing it as well |
| 11:18.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: storage |
| 11:19.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, wait, I got such python program |
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| 11:19.32 | fasta | maemo infrastructure is 2TB storage o.O? |
| 11:20.03 | ShadowJK | iirc Mer's infra is around $300 / month too |
| 11:20.03 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, will TMO use vbulletin? |
| 11:20.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the plan for now |
| 11:20.25 | Pali | or it migrate to some oss forum sw? |
| 11:20.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | poor effort/gain ratio |
| 11:20.56 | fasta | Has TMO been programmed inefficiently? |
| 11:21.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | 200 bucks for vBulletin licence are peanuts compared to migration effort |
| 11:21.15 | fasta | Oh, I see. PHP... |
| 11:21.16 | Pali | I'd like to see proper email support in forum |
| 11:21.50 | Pali | e.g with in-reply-to & references headers + support to reply to forum by email |
| 11:21.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: support patches :-D |
| 11:22.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't you like to take responsibility for vBulletin admin? |
| 11:22.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/support/provide/ |
| 11:23.08 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, I think that for some oss forum there could be patches (maybe) but I doubt that there are patches for vbulletin |
| 11:23.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: we're short on professional manpower |
| 11:23.12 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: how many non-static pages does it need to show per second at top load currently? |
| 11:23.40 | fasta | Or is there already a topic listing such topics anywhere? |
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| 11:23.53 | fasta | such constants* |
| 11:23.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: those are numbers we don't have, since nobody is sharing them to "us" |
| 11:24.08 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: sounds like a recipe for disaster then. |
| 11:24.58 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: the cost to get such a number is very low to obtain such a number if you have access to the server logs. |
| 11:25.09 | fasta | But I don't suppose I am telling you anything new. |
| 11:25.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: we (council, board) don't have access to such logs |
| 11:25.53 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: did you try asking for that information to whoever is going to transfer it? |
| 11:26.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | the idea however is to get as good a hw as we can afford, and then cram everything on it to share the available computing grunt |
| 11:27.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | also it's not actually an unheard situation when tmo gets slow on weekends |
| 11:27.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | mostly to DDoS attacks or sth, I guess |
| 11:28.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and we simply can't afford to tailor everything to cope with maximum load we might see |
| 11:28.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather we will prioritize tasks, so autobuilder just takes longer to finish when tmo load is high |
| 11:29.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | hope I made it to sketch a picture of what the situation is like |
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| 11:30.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: we're not talking about mere tmo migration, it's *whole* maemo.org infra we need to migrate and consolidate |
| 11:30.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | tmo is just the start |
| 11:31.14 | fasta | DocScrutinizer05: who is paying for all this? |
| 11:32.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88222 |
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| 11:40.44 | fasta | If you move to another piece of forum software, you probably would want to have something with a perfect security track record. |
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| 11:55.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | we for now don't plan to abandon vBulletin |
| 11:55.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | right now we really got other things on our plate |
| 11:58.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | some time end of February maybe anybody can approach council and ask for a copy (minus account data) of tmo db, import that to a local setup of whatever forum sw he plans to use, and demonstrate that tmo actually can run on that. Then we for sure will find a way to move from vBulletin to that new system. But not now, please |
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| 12:05.48 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, and who is maintainer of download.maemo.nokia.com? |
| 12:06.16 | Pali | increasing gpg key expire date is needed |
| 12:06.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: guess! |
| 12:07.15 | Pali | nokia? nemein? or somebody other? |
| 12:07.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui nemein is maintainer of all maemo.infra right now |
| 12:07.33 | freemangordon | Pali: your friend-in-ping :P |
| 12:07.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | except tmo |
| 12:07.40 | Pali | also of *.nokia.com subdoimain? |
| 12:07.47 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 12:07.48 | Pali | :D |
| 12:07.52 | freemangordon | :D:D:D |
| 12:07.53 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 12:07.58 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (6d 10h 2m 14s) #harmattan (6d 10h 2m 14s) #meego (6d 10h 2m 14s) #maemo-ssu (6d 10h 2m 14s), last said: 'ZogG_laptop: ?'. |
| 12:09.50 | Pali | look: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=ping+X-Fade |
| 12:11.04 | freemangordon | takes ages the query to finish |
| 12:11.46 | freemangordon | Pali: you're missing pongs :P |
| 12:12.43 | freemangordon | loves it: |
| 12:12.47 | freemangordon | "lets see. Standard Operating Procedure. 1) bitch for a few minutes. 2) ping X-Fade 3) bitch some more 4) perhaps file a bug report" |
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| 12:15.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: don't forget "~seen X-Fade" |
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| 12:26.51 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, right :D |
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| 12:33.28 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: "payed" admin? you mean managed server |
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| 12:35.51 | chem|st | forum admin is no big deal... that is what I do now + some more responsibility - moderation, if need be I can do the backups and maintenance too but not on a server scale, I do not have the time to look after another server atm |
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| 12:39.12 | chem|st | have we lost lumiaman and estel for good now? haven't read any complaints the last weeks... |
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| 12:58.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: no, not exactly. Managed server is an option for regular operation, for migration we need some specialist who's doing the heavy lifting for us |
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| 13:02.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: my plans just this minute are: I get a deecent dedicated server from hetzner or servdr4you, we set up a vserver on that, for tmo. Reggie helps us installing new vBulletin and migrating stuff. Then I'd appreciate if you'd take responsibility of doing usual level day-by-day admin of that vBuliten vserver - basically just taking care about vBulletin itself (and it's administration/moderation), backups, having an eye on syslog etc |
| 13:04.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | if something server admin seems due or pending, you contact the server admin about it |
| 13:04.33 | Jade | : |
| 13:04.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | you get root on that vserver |
| 13:04.37 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: how about aws? |
| 13:04.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | aws? |
| 13:05.04 | chem|st | amazon web services |
| 13:05.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah! |
| 13:05.44 | chem|st | having the website and the DB separated, automagically backuped in the cloud... ~20eur7m |
| 13:05.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1st rule: free data volume |
| 13:06.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2nd rule, full control over the server |
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| 13:07.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise we could use a vserver from hetzner or whomever, for as little as 10..15/month |
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| 13:09.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | alternatively we could run the whole thing on your server, if you don't mind and you got free data volume |
| 13:10.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | (found a tmo post of reggie where he states average traffic = 500GB/month) |
| 13:12.01 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: in which direction |
| 13:12.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | advantage: this server already exists and we already got (or are about to get) the db from Reggie on it. Once we got proper maemo.org new server(s) set up, we easily can migrate |
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| 13:12.49 | chem|st | true |
| 13:12.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | (direction) nfc, he doesn't state that, I would guess download |
| 13:13.57 | chem|st | ok this is either way non of my business |
| 13:14.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I feel that's a very attractive (interim) solution since all bits fall into place magically: you have control over the existing server, you know Reggie, you're designated future tmo admin... |
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| 13:16.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | you already passed the "face control" for handling privacy stuff in tmo |
| 13:17.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | (reggie's post) tmo p=1232427 |
| 13:17.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | (that's sooooo fsckng annoying to have mail on another PC than the one I'm mainly using) |
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| 13:24.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: what do you think? |
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| 13:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: btw I see you're already on the CC of that mail from ivgalvez |
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| 13:48.06 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: what do I think about what? me being tmo admin? or the insane idea of property moving around is an issue of users |
| 13:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? property moving around? |
| 13:49.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I meant setting up tmo on your server (temporarily) |
| 13:49.04 | chem|st | sry, we lost your data to an insane hoster in europe who is now maintaining tmo... |
| 13:49.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol, yeah |
| 13:49.30 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: do you really think I have any mysql-db? |
| 13:50.00 | chem|st | + I cannot host things on company property just for fun... |
| 13:50.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I would agree you need your users' agreement to move privacy data from EU to shitty US, but I'd not feel concerned for the other direction |
| 13:51.02 | chem|st | as long as you do not give access to thirdparties you do not have to think about anything |
| 13:51.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I for sure won't set up a server in USA with insane pricing and insane laws, just because somebody thinks it's a politically correct thing to do |
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| 13:51.43 | chem|st | google moves your data around like it is suitable for the service |
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| 13:52.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly. And I can somewhat guarantee that for any server in Germany, but definitely NOT for any server anywhere in USA |
| 13:52.18 | chem|st | noone but goo knows where it is... |
| 13:52.39 | Aoyagi_joytop | Google sells your data to Satan. |
| 13:52.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, google *is* |
| 13:52.57 | chem|st | Aoyagi_joytop: what they sell to US-gov? |
| 13:53.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's just that US-gov has a deal with satan |
| 13:53.29 | Aoyagi_joytop | What? US govt doesn't need to -buy- the data. They just take them. |
| 13:53.54 | Aoyagi_joytop | And of course, EU regulates in more and more mandatory data. |
| 13:55.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway |
| 13:56.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: thanks for clarifying situation about your server |
| 13:56.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll have to get 'my own' server then |
| 13:56.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's been my plan since yesterday anyway |
| 13:57.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can afford one year of dedicated server rental right now, so wtf let's just do it |
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| 13:58.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | if we run into limits with 32GB RAM and 2TB storage, we can still ponder how to upgrade |
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| 13:58.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | if somebody doesn't like EU based hetzner server, your problem |
| 13:59.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just need to find some help on administration, maybe one of my friends can spend that much time to do me a favour |
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| 13:59.52 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: I do not have an own server, I have managed hosting for my private stuff, 4 websites to maintain where one has mysql I do not maintain myself (for good reasons!) |
| 14:00.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pretty much aware of those reasons :-/ |
| 14:00.46 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: if you need help with setting everything up, that is not a problem |
| 14:00.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | semms a lot of people aren't, though |
| 14:01.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks a lot! |
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| 14:02.17 | chem|st | but daily-kinda maint. I do not have time for till I have a new job and moved out of this area... |
| 14:02.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll give hetzner a call, asking them what deal they can offer me, about "managed". Maybe we can get some services of "managed" for "free", like backup on net storage etc |
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| 14:03.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell, one of my friends is ex-hetzner-employee |
| 14:03.42 | chem|st | l8er |
| 14:03.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | o7 |
| 14:03.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 14:04.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | o_| |
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| 14:07.07 | kontio | DocScrutinizer05: if you go for Hetzner, check out their server auction, where they have used servers for good prices... ok they don't include backup/call support... and are not managed: https://robot.your-server.de/order/market but evt. an option... |
| 14:07.40 | kontio | "good prices" as in cheaper than a new order... |
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| 14:11.07 | Aoyagi_joytop | http://seattletimes.com/html/microsoftpri0/2019853243_goldman_sachs_microsoft_os_has_gone_from_more_than.html |
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| 14:14.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | kontio: sorry what? used servers? I don't care which server hw they run my "server" on, they even swap that every now and then |
| 14:15.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I rent a service, not buy a hardware. That's exactly what Nemein/Nokia is trying to sell us, and we don't want it |
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| 14:17.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | kontio: I don't get it, just checked that robot site |
| 14:17.44 | kontio | the servers there under that link which they offer were used by other customers, so they are cheaper... afaik if you order otherwise you get a new one (I have no connection to them, but that is my understanding)... |
| 14:19.01 | kontio | I didn't follow all your requirements... but I thought you might want to check it out... before you order... |
| 14:19.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just checked for 8GB 2TB |
| 14:20.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~100EUR |
| 14:21.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | while https://order.server4you.de/pages/dedicated/index.php offers 32GB 4TB for 58EUR |
| 14:22.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | so maybe hetzner isn't first choice |
| 14:22.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | kontio: thanks for the info :-) |
| 14:22.55 | kontio | yeah "good prices" compared to their own standard offers :-) |
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| 14:25.07 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: sorry to interrupt but server4you are not known to have good after-sales support; referring to server4you.com, i don't know if the german counter-part has the same issue... |
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| 14:26.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: yeah, seems it's not that easy to pick the right server provider |
| 14:28.42 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: I was under the impression of a US-based host being a must; currently compiling a list of all options of what your'll can do... One of the top choices would be https://host4offshore.com/ |
| 14:29.04 | thedead1440 | i was thinking of getting one for forum+wiki+docs |
| 14:29.19 | thedead1440 | while another one or two for repos+firmwares |
| 14:29.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not available for administration of US-based servers |
| 14:29.36 | thedead1440 | the firmwares are the killer around 2TB on their own |
| 14:30.12 | thedead1440 | then ovh would be suitable for you? |
| 14:30.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for sure I won't get a US based server when I pay it from my own pocket |
| 14:30.34 | thedead1440 | http://www.ovh.co.uk/dedicated_servers/kimsufi.xml |
| 14:30.42 | thedead1440 | KS R-8G |
| 14:31.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, sounds good |
| 14:32.24 | thedead1440 | our backup plan is running on KS 2G but due to firmwares we have run out of space; most probably will have to upgrade our own to add another KS R-8G if your'll don't get it done soon :D |
| 14:33.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<thedead1440> the firmwares are the killer around 2TB on their own)) sorry? |
| 14:33.42 | thedead1440 | n9 + n900 firmware files are around 2TB in size |
| 14:33.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 14:33.58 | thedead1440 | ivgalvez asked us to back it up as there is no confirmation Nokia will continue to host them |
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| 14:34.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | how T H F can firmwares be 2GB? |
| 14:34.40 | thedead1440 | the firmware backup has been the pita especially with the huge variants etc; brkn has had to change the download script thrice |
| 14:34.49 | thedead1440 | tb not gb... |
| 14:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | TB |
| 14:35.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | when firmware for N9 is like 1GB in size |
| 14:35.11 | thedead1440 | count this way; every n9 variant has a 1.16Gib rootfs + 1.7Gib emmc on average |
| 14:35.44 | thedead1440 | the global n9 is 1.16Gib+255Mib while some european variants are 1.16Gib+2.4Gib |
| 14:35.53 | thedead1440 | most though are in the 1.16+1.7 bracket |
| 14:35.57 | thedead1440 | 260 variants |
| 14:36.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I'm not that sure board or council ever considered backing up firmwares of HARM on maemo.org infra |
| 14:36.07 | thedead1440 | pr1.0, pr1.1, pr1.2, pr1.3 |
| 14:36.28 | thedead1440 | exactly that's why ivgalvez said to just back it up... |
| 14:36.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a Nokia madness nobody would want to touch with a 10-feet pole |
| 14:36.51 | thedead1440 | brkn posted all the variants in the backup thread but sadly we get little response :( |
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| 14:37.29 | thedead1440 | oh and tablets-dev.nokia.com/n900 has very few variants but check it out on navifirm and there are a heck lot more variants |
| 14:37.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ever pondered compressing that shit? |
| 14:37.49 | thedead1440 | to what extent? |
| 14:37.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all they probably differ in a few bytes only |
| 14:38.22 | thedead1440 | now its almost all mirrored; currently a md5 and shasum match is going on to identify duplicate emmc.bin files and hardlink them |
| 14:38.44 | thedead1440 | yup that's the main frustration; |
| 14:38.59 | thedead1440 | they differ by not much but since you can't downgrade variants you need to have all variants |
| 14:39.55 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1302208&postcount=46 that is the link onwards explaining about firmwares |
| 14:39.59 | thedead1440 | see the replies for yourself |
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| 14:40.50 | thedead1440 | also just saw reggie saying the vB licence is $250, coupons should be able to bring that down by 40% |
| 14:41.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: so what's the deal with your servers? |
| 14:42.10 | thedead1440 | nothing, skeiron.org is a backup in case your'll have any issues your'll can utilize it... its for your'll to use or discard :) |
| 14:43.13 | thedead1440 | currently we have it paid till the 20th, i'll most probably renew for another month so that to have a viable backup in case something screws up in the official efforts... If all good in january i'll just discard everything |
| 14:43.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 14:43.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see "all good in January" |
| 14:43.57 | robbiethe1st | I wonder, guys - if you've got multiple files which are mostly the same, and you compress all of them into the same .zip file(or tar/gz or w/e) will it be able to vastly reduce the size? |
| 14:44.09 | robbiethe1st | By keeping only the unique parts |
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| 14:44.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: that's exactly what I just suggested |
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| 14:44.37 | robbiethe1st | OK, so it should work then... |
| 14:44.41 | thedead1440 | robbiethe1st: we can do that but 1st priority is to have all content on hand; compression can be done anytime |
| 14:45.19 | robbiethe1st | Yeah. I wasn't talking about that specifically, but curious in general |
| 14:45.32 | thedead1440 | we are still missing tablets-dev.nokia data for pre-n900 devices as i'm unable to access the pages w/o a productID and can't find a way to bypass it :( |
| 14:45.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I kinda feel nausea and headache from all that stuff right now, and I got some RL duties to accomplish. Sorry, bbl |
| 14:46.16 | robbiethe1st | thedead1440, I've got a N770. If you can get someone to remind me Saturday(when I'm home and have it handy) I could give you my Product ID |
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| 14:48.36 | thedead1440 | robbiethe1st: thank you! i'll give you a reminder ;) |
| 14:49.19 | thedead1440 | isn't there a way to bypass it? i read on tmo quite somewhile back about a way to bypass the n900 one but can't find the bloody post... Have a n900 here so that has been taken care of but before those are the issue |
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| 14:50.36 | robbiethe1st | Personally, I used to find a N900 imei number, then change it by a couple chars,,, |
| 14:50.38 | robbiethe1st | let me in fine |
| 14:51.44 | thedead1440 | tried changing the last 3 chars no luck |
| 14:52.45 | robbiethe1st | Nah, for a N900 |
| 14:52.52 | robbiethe1st | or find someone's on google |
| 14:52.56 | robbiethe1st | that's another option |
| 14:53.00 | thedead1440 | i have the n900 so have the imei |
| 14:53.12 | robbiethe1st | Also, I've got to get going; cya all later. |
| 14:53.17 | thedead1440 | thanks! |
| 14:54.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | N810 done |
| 14:54.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
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| 15:23.06 | Pali | Look here: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/libhildondesktop/HDStatusPluginItem.html#hd-status-plugin-item-set-status-area-widget |
| 15:23.31 | Pali | this *public* hildon plugin function is reserved only for closed source nokia clock plugin :D:D:D:D |
| 15:23.44 | Pali | merlin1991, freemangordon, DocScrutinizer05 ^^^^ |
| 15:23.49 | Pali | this is really funny :D |
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| 16:39.25 | Pali | Here is simple script which dump bq2415x status: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/charger_print.sh |
| 16:39.50 | Pali | it can read registers via i2cget or from bq2415x_charger kernel driver |
| 16:40.09 | Pali | ping DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 19:41.45 | vi_ | yo |
| 19:42.24 | vi_ | freemangordon: ping |
| 19:42.43 | freemangordon | vi_: yo. there's meeting on #maemo-ssu, feel free to join |
| 19:43.12 | vi_ | oh |
| 19:43.13 | vi_ | ok |
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| 21:35.45 | ShadowJK | had a bq24150 reading script too until realizing that reading from it has side effects |
| 21:36.38 | Pali | ShadowJK, I will need some help for bq2415x kernel driver |
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| 23:13.26 | FIQ | ok |
| 23:13.53 | FIQ | now can anyone tell me why the browser restarts its' process when you kill it? |
| 23:14.49 | FIQ | if a process is killed, it's usually for a good reason.. restarting is just silly |
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| 23:16.18 | Flyser | FIQ: It restarts because it might have crashed |
| 23:17.04 | FIQ | well.. |
| 23:17.17 | FIQ | ok so how do you kill it for real? |
| 23:17.49 | FIQ | microb is being silly and taking 30+36% cpu atm |
| 23:18.00 | FIQ | and over half of RAM |
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| 23:43.22 | GeneralAntilles | FIQ, it keeps itself in RAM all the time for quickstart. |