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| 00:07.08 | nedko | hi |
| 00:07.29 | nedko | is it possible to setup an ipv6 over ipv4 tunnel on maemo? |
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| 00:25.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course |
| 00:26.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you have to write the tools yourself though |
| 00:27.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I seem to remember Nokia offered something like this some 4 years ago, as a technology preview or sth |
| 00:27.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt their gateway still is active |
| 00:28.16 | nedko | i mean on n900 running maemo |
| 00:28.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.google.de/search?q=maemo+ipv6 |
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| 00:29.44 | nedko | you know that google search results are personalized, don't you? |
| 00:30.42 | deepy | Didn't they let you turn that off? |
| 00:30.52 | robbiethe1st | 's why I use various google sites and clear cookies once in a while |
| 00:32.57 | GeneralAntilles | deepy, no. |
| 00:33.07 | GeneralAntilles | http://duckduckgo.com |
| 00:34.11 | deepy | Also, yes you can |
| 00:34.23 | deepy | They make a very serious promise that they take your choice seriously |
| 00:34.38 | deepy | http://support.google.com/accounts/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=54048 |
| 00:35.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.sixxs.net/forum/?msg=general-4894769 |
| 00:35.38 | nedko | google web search users are not customers they the product being sold. promises cant target products |
| 00:36.23 | nedko | DocScrutinizer05: thank you for that link |
| 00:36.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 00:45.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: alas that info on that google support page is a hoax |
| 00:46.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't access that page since google asks you to sign in |
| 00:47.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | simple solution: delete all google cookies, and forbid any cookies from google |
| 00:48.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | firefox has default setting "delete all cookies on session end" iirc |
| 00:50.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | or: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo+ipv6 |
| 00:51.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.metager.de/meta/cgi-bin/meta.ger1?start=1&eingabe=maemo+ipv6&mm=and&lr=all&maxtreffer=200&time=2&hitsPerServer=2&textmenge=2&wissRank=on&sprueche=on&wikiboost=on&QuickTips=beschleuniger&synonyme=on&linkTest=no&check_time=3&dmoz=on&exalead=on&fastbot=on&wikipedia=on&yacy=on&witch=on&overture=on&nebel=on&metarss=on&Nachrichten=on&atsearch=on&suchticker=on&amidalla=on&BASE=on&portalu=on&fportal=on&clewwa=on&qsensei=on&harvest=on& |
| 00:51.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | premiumpresse=on&mg_produkt=on&yandex=on |
| 00:51.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq |
| 00:52.35 | wmarone | everything=on |
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| 01:10.24 | HtheB | anyone alive over here? |
| 01:10.36 | wmarone | kinda? |
| 01:11.05 | HtheB | hmmm, well, I do ask this in the wrong channel, but... i hope maybe you can help in any way |
| 01:11.28 | HtheB | have any experience with flashing Nemo? |
| 01:11.53 | HtheB | (everybody at #nemomobile is very quiet) |
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| 05:01.37 | internetishard | So what's the low-down? Supposedly LTE is supperior to HSPA+, but how does that relate to the difference between GSM and CDMA? |
| 05:04.02 | wmarone | wakka wakka |
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| 07:00.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | internetishard: err sorry? |
| 07:02.20 | internetishard | DocScrutinizer, yes? |
| 07:02.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm wondering how to make a proper question out of your last post |
| 07:03.22 | internetishard | I realize it's shit, but I wanted to be inflammatory. I usually learn more that way |
| 07:04.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | how does a battery relate to a dynamo? how does eggs ralte to milk? |
| 07:05.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know how to answer your question |
| 07:10.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe reading about LTE in wikipedia could answer some of your questions, whatever they are |
| 07:16.03 | internetishard | Yeah, you're saying that CDMA, LTE, GSM, and HSPA+ are all separate and unrelated |
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| 07:16.28 | internetishard | DocScrutinizer I'm not sure I phrased it that way. Maybe because GSM is usually coupled with HSPA+ |
| 07:16.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 07:17.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | UMTS is base technology for HSPA |
| 07:17.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | best you can get with GSM is EDGE+ |
| 07:18.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | UMTS is using WCDMA as carrier technology |
| 07:18.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | GSM is using TDMA |
| 07:19.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | so actually all four terms you mentioned are unrelated on a certain level |
| 07:20.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course they are related on a wider view, as all are technologies found in mobile phone domain |
| 07:20.57 | internetishard | I guess I'm just trying to cope with why several providers said that they'll support any HSPA+ compliant phone (with HSPA+), and none of them can deliver more than 1900mhz. How can they all be missing this? |
| 07:21.06 | internetishard | (I'm speaking of course about my n900 in san francisco) |
| 07:21.23 | internetishard | It seems impossible to actually get anything more than 2G on it. |
| 07:21.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, you lost me |
| 07:21.39 | XATRIX | "For example, in standby with wifi and phone enabled but idle, the current usage is around .006 A, leading to a standby life of around 10 days. " |
| 07:21.44 | XATRIX | How that can be ? |
| 07:21.57 | XATRIX | I don't believe that N900 can handle a half of |
| 07:22.23 | XATRIX | Even in stadby mode, wifi-module takes quite a lot of power |
| 07:22.23 | internetishard | XATRIX: turning off radio and screen, they say? Laptops can do it, eh? |
| 07:22.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: I verified exactly that 2 days ago |
| 07:23.10 | XATRIX | internetishard, don't think, that laptops can handle more than 5h...I'm not talking about day |
| 07:23.12 | internetishard | DocScrutinizer: sorry, I guess I should first ask. Does it even make sense to you that zero providers within california can offer anything over 2G on the n900? |
| 07:23.36 | internetishard | XATRIX: In sleep mode. You mentioned some sort of standby.. |
| 07:24.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | internetishard: I could imagine that they simply don't have any UMTS service on a band that's supported by N900, yes |
| 07:25.11 | XATRIX | internetishard, Mobile phone has no sleep mode, unless you're talking about powering off device, but even in this case it's still a bit operational, some intelligence companies, can track you while the phone is off, and the battery is in |
| 07:25.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 07:25.44 | XATRIX | But in fact, it has no sleep/hibernation mode |
| 07:25.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a terribly made-up urban legend |
| 07:25.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | in fact it has |
| 07:26.33 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05, really ? :) I was working for such a company about half of my life... I saw that 'magic' :) |
| 07:26.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | modem has sleep mode, you cen even set different sleep modes via ATLEEP=4 on e.g. calypso modem (used in Openmoko Freerunner) |
| 07:27.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang AT%sleep=4 |
| 07:27.23 | XATRIX | I don't really know about N900, never interrested in, but most phones has this feature... |
| 07:27.37 | XATRIX | Ah...you're talking about modem |
| 07:28.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | a phone that's off is off for all that matters regarding OTA |
| 07:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you got a spy firmware installed by your wife |
| 07:28.50 | XATRIX | But sleep != completely off mode... How it suppose to accept incoming calls if it is in sleep ? So it has to be passive mode at least |
| 07:29.00 | XATRIX | No TX, but RX module should be powered up |
| 07:29.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | where that statement still applies but you can't really power it off anymore, it just will fake off-state |
| 07:30.11 | internetishard | I'm not even sure I've seen "3G" while in the US using the n900... Saw in plenty in europe |
| 07:30.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, RX eats ~4..16mA, which would deplete your battery during a few weeks. Definitely no phone usually does that |
| 07:30.26 | XATRIX | No no, not a spyware... I'm talking about if you press your red button, and hold it for ~5sec, and it so called 'shuts down'... In this case i can still triangle your position, until you completely remove you power cell... Most mobile phones does it |
| 07:30.33 | internetishard | Just switched to another provider that said they could provide HSPA... Looks like I put too much trust in them :P |
| 07:30.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | no way |
| 07:31.08 | freemangordon | XATRIX: Not n900 |
| 07:31.24 | XATRIX | I hope it really doesn't :) |
| 07:31.33 | freemangordon | You can be sure |
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| 07:31.45 | XATRIX | That's a good knews :) |
| 07:32.26 | internetishard | Don't worry XATRIX, I'm paranoid too |
| 07:32.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless your battery is depleted after 4 weeks no matter if device is on or off, you can be rather sure that this "stealth RX" is a big hoax |
| 07:32.44 | internetishard | One of the reasons why every 3yo has a more powerful phone than me :P |
| 07:33.00 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I am not sure whether it is urban legend or some devices really do it. |
| 07:33.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems iPhones had that *problem* |
| 07:33.31 | XATRIX | I know what i'm talking about guys :) |
| 07:33.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 07:33.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | good, I'm also knowing my business |
| 07:34.04 | XATRIX | I saw this by myself :) I don't tell you the rumors, or legends :) |
| 07:34.06 | freemangordon | But I have heard stories that some modiles can be triangulated even when off, giving the battery is charged |
| 07:34.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | my business is to build the hardwrae that you say has magic capabilities |
| 07:34.40 | XATRIX | Ofcource i'm not talking about N900 directly, but i saw these tricks while i was in mil. |
| 07:35.26 | XATRIX | And i'm talking about UA :) I can only imagine what kind of technologies has US gov, or DE or whatever |
| 07:35.35 | internetishard | In order to support HSPA on the n900, they need to use 1900mhz, right? |
| 07:36.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | listen, buddy. When you want to triangulate a device, it has to SEND, not only _receive_. In that case every airline would require you remove your battery from your phones so nobody makes it start to send during flight by triangulating it |
| 07:36.38 | freemangordon | XATRIX: To all my knowledge, even puting the device offline (from power menu) is enough to power off the modem |
| 07:37.08 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: toldya, I don;t know if those are urban legends or for real |
| 07:37.24 | freemangordon | won't argue |
| 07:37.56 | XATRIX | The problem is that, somehow it's quite possible to make the device to send the signal out... Because the modem is not completely off |
| 07:38.02 | XATRIX | That's what i'm talking about |
| 07:38.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's a sad fact that even the best modem chips use at very least a 2 mA average from battery to stay somewhat responsive to inbound RF |
| 07:38.42 | XATRIX | You know you can power on your PC (not even from the sleep mode) even from other country, while you did a Start->Shutdown windows |
| 07:38.53 | XATRIX | It's called magic packet or WakeOnLan |
| 07:39.11 | merlin1991 | that's a completely different thing |
| 07:39.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? ever looked at your NIC? the LEDs shine |
| 07:39.15 | XATRIX | These things also supposed to have such a feature... |
| 07:39.26 | merlin1991 | and nope it doesn't work with my motherboards because the bios does not support it |
| 07:39.29 | XATRIX | Sure... ever look at your mobile ? :0 |
| 07:39.34 | freemangordon | XATRIX: be sure we all know it :P (wakeonlan that is) |
| 07:39.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | which means the psu still supplies the NIC with 5V |
| 07:39.49 | XATRIX | Exactly! :) |
| 07:40.03 | XATRIX | But the mains are off ;) |
| 07:40.08 | freemangordon | the whole PCI(E) is supplied, along with USB |
| 07:40.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and it eats exactly max 100mA |
| 07:40.27 | freemangordon | along with some circuitry on mainboard |
| 07:40.28 | XATRIX | Yea, it's can be possible |
| 07:40.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, the mains is ON |
| 07:40.37 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 07:41.00 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: whole PCI(E) is supplied? I bet in that case, that my nvidia card draws power like mad todo nothing |
| 07:41.02 | freemangordon | that's why there is a switch on most of the power supplies |
| 07:41.27 | XATRIX | I'm rely on your words, cause the EE here is you! I'm just a man who saw these things in action. There was a time... |
| 07:41.30 | freemangordon | merlin1991: there is 5V supplied to the bus, to support wakeon(lan/pci) |
| 07:42.10 | freemangordon | merlin1991: check your BIOS, power settings |
| 07:42.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and this is NOT from a tiny Lithium battery on the mainboard |
| 07:42.20 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 07:42.22 | inz | I hope you all wear your tinfoil hats, so the aliens don't triangulate you by your brainwaves! |
| 07:42.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | since such battery was flat during hours, nah minutes |
| 07:42.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | same with modem RX on phones |
| 07:42.40 | XATRIX | Sure it's not :) Mainboard's bat is only for CMOS |
| 07:43.00 | freemangordon | inz: I am not afraid, not thought here to be detected. Just a flat line :P |
| 07:44.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | the best GSM modems have some 4mA for deepsleep - you can't get lower than that and modem still not completely dead. Do your math, it will deplete battery during 2 weeks |
| 07:44.06 | XATRIX | inz, aliens is an urban legends ;) |
| 07:44.42 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: is that in RX-only mode? |
| 07:44.44 | inz | freeman, but the contrails contain chemicals that make your brain oscillate in easily detectable pattern!-) |
| 07:45.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | so if your phone still works after staying 4 weeks in shelp or locker, you know it's NOT doing any secrit shit |
| 07:45.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: sure |
| 07:45.53 | XATRIX | Never tried it so long :D |
| 07:46.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: a GSM modem is in RX-only mode 99.99% of the time |
| 07:46.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | even while "powered up" |
| 07:46.46 | freemangordon | inz: my brain? who told you I have one? just a couple of neurons. Toldya, nothing to be detected here, I am not afraid :D:D:D |
| 07:46.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | in deepsleep it's not even in RX mode but completely sleeping 1.9 of 2s |
| 07:47.19 | XATRIX | Sure ? But how the network still keep your online status ? Of it doesn't send anything ? |
| 07:47.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | they don't |
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| 07:48.14 | XATRIX | If you just pull the bat out, it should pass over 2-5 min, until the celluar IVR will tell you "the customer is currenly unavailable , please fu** off, or call later" |
| 07:48.30 | freemangordon | XATRIX: that's cached |
| 07:48.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | the phone re-registers with BTS every T3212 period which is usually some hours |
| 07:48.34 | XATRIX | :))))) |
| 07:49.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, it talkes some 5 *seconds* until the BTS gives up on trying to reach the phone and get an answer, and then they tell caller "not available" |
| 07:49.56 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: iirc the phone re-registers itself with the cell that have the highest signal receive level |
| 07:50.14 | XATRIX | But, it's can be possible too |
| 07:50.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: that's cell handover, something completely unrelated |
| 07:50.33 | XATRIX | Maybe you have the point |
| 07:50.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and also not even happening when both cells have same LAC |
| 07:50.45 | freemangordon | sure, but it needs TX from the phone |
| 07:51.33 | freemangordon | so base station can masure the signal level and send it back to the device. Don;t know how oftan that happens when not in call though |
| 07:53.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the network either changes your state to "not available / ot of range" when either a) T3212 expired and the phone doesn't re-register, or b) the BTS (or all BTS of one LAC zone) where the phone registered last try to reach the phone and phone doesn't answer during 5 seconds |
| 07:53.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 10 seconds, depending on carrier's setup |
| 07:54.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: that never happens when not in call (or doing data transfer) |
| 07:54.18 | freemangordon | ok |
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| 07:58.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | here T3212 is 600min iirc |
| 07:58.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | carrier can configure that |
| 07:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | phone will query T3212 time period on (re-)registration |
| 07:59.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | then shut up until handover to a different LAC zone or T3212 expired, or answering inbound call or initiating call or data transfer |
| 08:01.15 | freemangordon | does it expect "pings" from the base station? |
| 08:01.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 08:01.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really |
| 08:01.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | it monitors signal strength from servicing BTS and neighbour BTS |
| 08:01.57 | freemangordon | but how the modem decides whether it is in a new cell area? |
| 08:02.03 | freemangordon | aah |
| 08:02.16 | freemangordon | ok |
| 08:02.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | When C1/C2 threshold is trippen in differnece of signal quality between servicing and one neighbour, it does a handover |
| 08:03.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | if neighbour is differnet LAC, it does re-register with new servicing BTS |
| 08:04.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | this re-register involves TX and resets T3212 as well |
| 08:04.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | and updates device location as recorded in location server of network |
| 08:05.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | mobile terminated call invite always is sent from all BTS of one LAC zone |
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| 08:06.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | so network doesn't need to know which BTS of a LAC zone is currently servicing BTS of the phone |
| 08:08.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | any location you query from network while phone is off (e.g you removed battery) is that of the last BTS where the phone did a (re-)register |
| 08:08.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | it may be cached up to T3212 expiry |
| 08:10.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.rui.de/mobil/nobbiglossar.html (sorry for German) |
| 08:12.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> |
| 08:12.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | Location Update |
| 08:12.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | Das Telefon teilt mit einem Location Update dem Netz mit, in welcher Zelle innerhalb welcher LA es sich befindet. Innerhalb einer Location Area kann sich das Telefon frei bewegen. Ein Location Update findet statt a.) wenn das Telefon die LA verläßt oder b.) immer nach einer vom Netzbetreiber vorgegebenen Zeit, die durch den Parameter T3212 bestimmt wird. |
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| 08:14.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, an LAC zone (Location Area) can be up to 4500km^2 |
| 08:18.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, a GSM mobile equipment is in idle mode 99.999% of time, and even then it is using several mA of power |
| 08:18.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you can't pretend device is off when actually it's still in idle mode, that would pretty fast cause users frowning |
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| 08:23.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | what you *could* do (as developer of a modem chip) is wake up on a RTC alarm every hour and then scan the network for a marker that says "IMEI 12345678, we want to triangle you". But then *all* BTS of a country had to send that marker for one hour, to make this sheme any useful. And still the scan for BTS on all bands during power up would eat comsiderable amounts of battery, so it wouldn't last much longer than maybe 2 or 3 months |
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| 08:23.27 | Macer | hello |
| 08:23.32 | Macer | anybody know where the optware types hang out? |
| 08:24.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and your customers would ask you what's that strange behaviour of your chips all about, since guys like me would notice such nonsense |
| 08:24.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | myth busted |
| 08:24.36 | Macer | trying to build a newer gcc for my synology |
| 08:24.44 | Macer | curius if i am supposed to --prefix=/opt for it |
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| 08:43.06 | XATRIX | I'm curious how can i make my CPU not to be active constantly ? |
| 08:43.11 | XATRIX | Or is it active ? O_o |
| 08:43.24 | XATRIX | 6 mA when idle is great, but it is easy if everything does not go right to use lots more than this when idle. For example, if the CPU is constantly active, it will use over 100 mA - draining the battery in around 12 hours. |
| 08:43.58 | XATRIX | So, trick is to configure the kernel to use tickless systmem patch ? |
| 08:46.05 | XATRIX | Also i have no bq27x00_battery module for my kernel ? |
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| 09:05.26 | XATRIX | The handset is idle but i still have: |
| 09:05.28 | XATRIX | Tue Dec 11 11:08:28 EET 2012 16133mA 34 total events, 6.772 events/sec |
| 09:05.29 | XATRIX | Tue Dec 11 11:08:33 EET 2012 3244mA 82 total events, 16.347 events/sec |
| 09:05.29 | XATRIX | Tue Dec 11 11:08:38 EET 2012 7791mA 29 total events, 5.782 events/sec |
| 09:05.29 | XATRIX | Tue Dec 11 11:08:43 EET 2012 2954mA 45 total events, 8.935 events/sec |
| 09:05.29 | XATRIX | Tue Dec 11 11:08:48 EET 2012 3215mA 31 total events, 6.163 events/sec |
| 09:06.04 | XATRIX | That's not good right ? |
| 09:06.44 | XATRIX | Also i have wifi online, to be able to connect to |
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| 09:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: I told you yesterday that your system is messed up and probably needs a reflash |
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| 09:12.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | though those figures above are not unusual, except for displayed current |
| 09:12.05 | XATRIX | Yes, but i don't like the answer... Do this , close there, press that button.. i need to understand the cause of the problem.. is it a broken driver of bq27 device or whatever |
| 09:12.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually 7791mA is completely impossible |
| 09:12.58 | XATRIX | So, if i get it right, if i have my battery of 1300mAh / 2954mA - it should be overloaded... |
| 09:13.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: the first instance is you don't *need* any bq27* driver |
| 09:13.37 | XATRIX | How then i suppose to get the data ? |
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| 09:15.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: there ARE NO TRICKS, the only 'trick' is NOT to install BS |
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| 09:16.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | if kernel needed a patch to make >12h standby possible, you could bet it already got patched 4 years ago |
| 09:17.16 | jonwil | bah, Slashdot isn't working :( |
| 09:17.20 | XATRIX | What does mean BS ? |
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| 09:18.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf BS |
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| 09:19.10 | XATRIX | :) |
| 09:19.51 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: 3244mA is not just abnormal |
| 09:19.55 | jon_y | it is HOLYSHIT |
| 09:19.57 | XATRIX | Can i ask you to connect to this headset and look yourself the sensors data ? |
| 09:20.21 | jon_y | XATRIX: I am surprised your n900 has not burned down |
| 09:20.30 | XATRIX | Someone has to be betatester ;) |
| 09:20.58 | jonwil | If this was my N900 I would have backed up any important files and data and re-flashed by now |
| 09:21.03 | jonwil | rather than messing around trying to fix crap |
| 09:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: see 7791mA |
| 09:21.27 | XATRIX | Nokia-N900:~# power_stat |
| 09:21.27 | XATRIX | Using kernel battery driver to read current. |
| 09:21.27 | XATRIX | Tue Dec 11 11:24:54 EET 2012 13584mA 32 total events, 6.354 events/sec |
| 09:21.27 | XATRIX | Tue Dec 11 11:24:59 EET 2012 3215mA 31 total events, 6.154 events/sec |
| 09:21.27 | XATRIX | Tue Dec 11 11:25:04 EET 2012 3157mA 41 total events, 8.151 events/sec |
| 09:21.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | 16133mA |
| 09:21.29 | XATRIX | Crap :( |
| 09:22.00 | XATRIX | I'm not trying to fix it, just experimenting with |
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| 09:22.08 | XATRIX | And ofcource i will reflash |
| 09:22.25 | XATRIX | I'm just curious WTF :) |
| 09:22.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | 16 Ampere! my mains fuse would blow |
| 09:22.49 | XATRIX | I have power fuses in my headset looks like ;) |
| 09:23.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | you got "kernel battery driver" which is kinda deprecated |
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| 09:24.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | you installed Pali's alternative bme |
| 09:24.32 | jonwil | thinks those mA readings are bogus |
| 09:24.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | those currents are from an early completely fsckdup version of the bq27200.ko |
| 09:24.53 | XATRIX | So, if i would use some DC converter, i could possibly have 10KV output ^^ |
| 09:25.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: they are raw bq27200 readings multiplied by 256 or sth |
| 09:25.30 | XATRIX | So, let's deinstall this crap |
| 09:26.08 | XATRIX | Are you talking about this one ?https://meego.gitorious.org/~pali/meego-device-adaptation/pali-n900_libbme/blobs/replacement/src/bmeipc.c |
| 09:26.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: that's what I suggested yesterday, or was it a week ago? You'll have to reflash |
| 09:26.41 | XATRIX | Look, i will reflash it... As i said, i want to experiment with the HW a bit |
| 09:27.00 | XATRIX | After i make a good, initial setup, there would be no experiments... |
| 09:27.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not really polite to pester us with bug reports aginst obsolete stuff that already got declared broken and also been replaced by newer versions |
| 09:27.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's an abuse of our time |
| 09:27.51 | XATRIX | Tue Dec 11 11:31:13 EET 2012 43100mA 417 total events, 83.266 events/sec |
| 09:27.52 | XATRIX | Tue Dec 11 11:31:18 EET 2012 34613mA 260 total events, 51.937 events/sec |
| 09:27.52 | XATRIX | Tue Dec 11 11:31:23 EET 2012 30529mA 235 total events, 46.934 events/sec |
| 09:27.53 | XATRIX | :) |
| 09:27.59 | XATRIX | After i connected the charger :) |
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| 09:28.20 | XATRIX | Ok, let's kick it out of the headset |
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| 09:30.21 | XATRIX | Now i receive negative values ^^ |
| 09:32.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | congrats, so it's charging |
| 09:32.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh! reflash finally! |
| 09:32.36 | XATRIX | wait wait wait a bit |
| 09:32.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | you did an apt-get dist-upgrade anyway, so really no more use in 'fixing' anything |
| 09:32.52 | XATRIX | Also i found out i have "Battery Patch Testing" installed |
| 09:33.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | OMG!!! |
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| 09:33.49 | XATRIX | http://maemo.org/packages/view/batterypatch-testing/ |
| 09:34.17 | XATRIX | "This is a highly configured patch that improves the Battery Life of your N900 using dbus-scripts" |
| 09:34.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you do me a favour? take a DIN-A0 sized paper, a marker, and write "NO SPEEDPATCH! NO BATTERYPATCH! EVER!" on it, then tag it on the wall above your PC |
| 09:34.41 | tadzik | "this improves battery life. Obtw, your device will be overclocked" |
| 09:34.44 | tadzik | sounds legit |
| 09:34.51 | XATRIX | :) |
| 09:35.01 | XATRIX | downclocked ;) |
| 09:35.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | those are the BS things you shouldn't install |
| 09:35.24 | tadzik | from 600 to 800 doesn't sound like downclocking for me |
| 09:35.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | *-patch are a big hoax |
| 09:36.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | done by a 12 year old script kidde supposedly |
| 09:36.36 | XATRIX | http://hastebin.com/huyoyobadu.xml - i think these things i have installed on :) |
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| 09:37.06 | tadzik | whytf is that xml |
| 09:37.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | CBA |
| 09:37.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | bbl |
| 09:37.36 | XATRIX | i think this is a complete list of installed crap on my mobile |
| 09:38.58 | XATRIX | Also, i don't think that using KP is a bad idea |
| 09:39.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | just to give you an idea: it's commonly known that some of the battery-usage-widgets are doing exactly that: use battery - LIKe MAD |
| 09:39.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | using KP *is* a bad idea, when you got no idea *why* you're needing it |
| 09:40.56 | XATRIX | It has a better support for multiple filesystems , wider iptables support |
| 09:41.04 | XATRIX | Also it has some overclocking features |
| 09:41.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, use all that and you never again ask for support here, since you're one of the experts |
| 09:41.31 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: then why are they on the repo still? |
| 09:41.42 | Macer | :-P maemo.org fail |
| 09:41.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: since nobody has the authority to take them down |
| 09:42.06 | Macer | lol |
| 09:42.13 | Macer | are you kidding me? |
| 09:42.17 | XATRIX | heh, i never told you i'm expert.. I just said i'm gonna use some this abilities of KP |
| 09:42.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | not at all |
| 09:42.23 | Macer | wtf? :) |
| 09:42.33 | XATRIX | or KP is only for Godlike people ? |
| 09:42.41 | tadzik | it's for all the cool kids |
| 09:42.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | taking down apps from repos can only be done when they're *dangerous* or violating some laws |
| 09:43.14 | Macer | heh |
| 09:43.32 | Macer | so some shit app just sits there festering? |
| 09:43.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | being utter crap doesn't suffice to take an app down |
| 09:43.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 09:45.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: install that crap app, find a problem it's causing - report. We'll do our best to find a reason to actually take those pkgs down then |
| 09:45.33 | XATRIX | Also are these two things dangerous ? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-power-monitor/ and http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-power/ |
| 09:45.33 | XATRIX | ? |
| 09:45.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | OS2008???? |
| 09:46.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq, probably fine... for 770 |
| 09:46.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even N800 |
| 09:46.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | and N810 |
| 09:46.23 | XATRIX | I think it's just a section where the app is in :) |
| 09:46.50 | XATRIX | I think nobody cares to put it into freemantle :) |
| 09:46.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I ran out of time for this game |
| 09:47.03 | XATRIX | :( |
| 09:48.10 | Macer | DocScrutinizer05: isn't that like... a tester's job? |
| 09:48.41 | XATRIX | Let ne guess... He thinks no :) |
| 09:48.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually yes, but our testers did not really any decent job on promoting pkgs |
| 09:49.00 | XATRIX | o_O |
| 09:49.25 | XATRIX | tries to remember the time he attended to advertisment company O_o |
| 09:49.52 | Macer | i need to see where e7 prices are |
| 09:49.57 | Macer | last i checked they were down to 299 :) |
| 09:50.12 | Macer | 260 is my sweet spot |
| 09:50.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and pkgs in extras-devel, well they are not tested at all |
| 09:50.44 | XATRIX | I wonder, why these guys from Nokia used a resistive sensor for N900 |
| 09:50.55 | XATRIX | Sure they aren't |
| 09:51.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | because it's *awesome* |
| 09:51.02 | XATRIX | I do some tests for me |
| 09:51.17 | XATRIX | Why do you think it's better ? |
| 09:51.40 | XATRIX | You have to scratch the screen with your stylus |
| 09:51.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | because I once tried to type a SMS on a friend's iPhone |
| 09:51.47 | XATRIX | Most time |
| 09:51.48 | Macer | well... n900 is a bit dated |
| 09:51.48 | tadzik | no you don't |
| 09:52.15 | chem|st | XATRIX: you can use much more of your screen's realestate |
| 09:52.16 | Macer | XATRIX: i always got a protector for it |
| 09:52.30 | Macer | but i get protectors for everything.. any glass can get scratched given the right circumstances |
| 09:52.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | cya folks |
| 09:52.36 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05, So, what's bad in iPhone sensor ? I find it not so bad as the same class phones have |
| 09:52.42 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: get better soon! |
| 09:53.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 09:53.07 | chem|st | XATRIX: iphone does double tap alot for me |
| 09:53.13 | tadzik | also, is it just me or you need to press slightly harder near the edge of the screen? |
| 09:53.16 | XATRIX | Macer, Sure. i have it also, but sometimes i have feeling that i tap it very hard :( |
| 09:53.19 | tadzik | alot :) |
| 09:53.49 | XATRIX | Hmm |
| 09:54.16 | tadzik | (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-alot) |
| 09:54.23 | chem|st | tadzik: for resistive screens it is yes |
| 09:54.36 | XATRIX | BTW, i have used my hadset (including constant wifi) about an hour, and currently i plugged in the charger, to feed it up a bit |
| 09:54.49 | XATRIX | it charged in about 5-7 min |
| 09:54.56 | XATRIX | Until it said Battery is full |
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| 09:55.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: you're using an obsolete version of Pali's bme - we are not interested in details about it |
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| 09:56.27 | XATRIX | Is it possible to remove it ? |
| 09:56.34 | XATRIX | I can't find it in my apps manager |
| 09:56.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | reflash! |
| 09:56.46 | XATRIX | crap |
| 09:57.08 | XATRIX | I'm gonna reflash it next day, or maybe possible this evening |
| 09:58.23 | XATRIX | Also i found modinfo bq27x00_battery |
| 09:58.32 | XATRIX | parm: poll_interval:battery poll interval in seconds - 0 disables polling (uint) |
| 09:58.51 | XATRIX | i'm curious polling takes cpu |
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| 10:15.31 | XATRIX | What is the current measurement parameter for i2c device ? |
| 10:16.15 | XATRIX | http://hastebin.com/wuqewagifi.avrasm |
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| 11:26.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 11:26.17 | infobot | ~pong |
| 11:28.47 | XATRIX | timeout |
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| 11:55.26 | XATRIX | Also, when i will replash device, is it ok if i would install software via apt-get ? Instead of HAM ? |
| 11:55.34 | XATRIX | HAM does very slow |
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| 11:59.31 | tadzik | usually it won't break stuff |
| 11:59.48 | tadzik | apt-get install is usually safe, but upgrading is probably a bad idea |
| 12:01.19 | luf | tadzil: why? |
| 12:01.36 | luf | I'm using apt-get except CSSU install. |
| 12:01.54 | Lava_Croft | I think tadzik means --dis-upgrade |
| 12:01.58 | Lava_Croft | dist* |
| 12:02.04 | tadzik | ayep |
| 12:02.16 | tadzik | well, better safe than reflash ;) |
| 12:02.29 | Lava_Croft | better safe than using backupmenu, you mean ;) |
| 12:02.30 | luf | Ok. |
| 12:02.33 | tadzik | so regular upgrade should be safe? |
| 12:02.49 | luf | I'm using it without any problem. |
| 12:02.57 | Lava_Croft | I've used it a lot without problems too |
| 12:03.08 | Lava_Croft | That naturally doesn't mean it cannot cause problems:) |
| 12:03.26 | luf | Lava_Croft: exactly |
| 12:04.05 | tadzik | unit tests only catch known breakages |
| 12:04.31 | XATRIX | So it is safe to use apt-get upgrade , and NOT to use apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 12:04.52 | Lava_Croft | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10974729/Lumia920_n900_2.jpg |
| 12:04.57 | Lava_Croft | goddamn HUGE Lumia 920 |
| 12:05.43 | tadzik | hehe |
| 12:05.46 | Lava_Croft | It's amazing how much those front buttons on the Lumia completely wreck the awesome design |
| 12:05.58 | tadzik | "Put bigger screen in there!" "But the phone will get hu-" "Shut up!" |
| 12:06.14 | Lava_Croft | Apparently its still nice to use with one hand though |
| 12:06.24 | Lava_Croft | But I reckon it's designed for western euro hands;) |
| 12:06.27 | tadzik | I toyed with this Samsung Note recently |
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| 12:06.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | wow, I got a winner! call did"mt tear down connectivity |
| 12:06.44 | Lava_Croft | The Note disappointed me greatly |
| 12:06.49 | tadzik | it's almost as wide as N900 is long ;) |
| 12:06.59 | Lava_Croft | yeah, the Note is ridiculous |
| 12:07.07 | Lava_Croft | I would never put it in my jeanspocket and try to sit on a chair |
| 12:07.10 | Lava_Croft | I bet it will snap in two |
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| 12:07.19 | Lava_Croft | Flimsy Samsung hw |
| 12:07.22 | tadzik | making phone calls with it does look stupid |
| 12:07.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | great |
| 12:07.47 | Lava_Croft | Well, that does look stupid with my N900 and its case too |
| 12:07.52 | luf | DocScrutinizer51: can you be more descriptive? |
| 12:07.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | I love to look stupid |
| 12:08.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | luf: regaring what? |
| 12:08.19 | luf | DocScrutinizer51: wow, I got a winner! call did"mt tear down connectivity |
| 12:08.33 | Lava_Croft | http://lh3.ggpht.com/_YXwYrpPsk3w/S5-EgQzSk6I/AAAAAAAAQSY/QDpPkei2AK8/IMG_0210.jpg |
| 12:08.40 | Lava_Croft | That's how I kind of look when calling with N900 |
| 12:08.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | in 3 out of 4 a gsm call stops GPRS data connection |
| 12:09.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe 15 of 16 |
| 12:09.31 | luf | DocScrutinizer51: what is the winner or solution? |
| 12:09.36 | XATRIX | Maybe it'sbetter to use double modem system? |
| 12:09.45 | XATRIX | One modem for data-connection, one for calls ? |
| 12:09.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | luf: luck |
| 12:09.55 | Lava_Croft | And an extra battery? |
| 12:10.02 | XATRIX | Hahaha |
| 12:10.13 | luf | XATRIX: it's too large to have 2 N900 :D |
| 12:10.15 | XATRIX | Someone told me it costs a low power :) |
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| 12:10.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah, 3G 'just works' afaik |
| 12:10.53 | XATRIX | So 2 modems will are not going to kill bat in a shot :) |
| 12:11.12 | trx | also with two modems, you need two sims, right? |
| 12:11.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | rrright |
| 12:12.13 | trx | the question was, "there is no way you can use one sim with two modems" :) |
| 12:12.27 | trx | is that right? :) |
| 12:12.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's obviously a fsckdup spec amendment for GSM |
| 12:12.46 | XATRIX | It suppose to use one modem for GPRS, one for CSD (actually voice calls) not to be disconnected from data-network |
| 12:12.53 | trx | i am not familiar with the specifications |
| 12:13.10 | Lava_Croft | Sending an SMS breaks GPRS connectivity too |
| 12:13.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | alas N900/BB5 doesn't support CSD anymore |
| 12:13.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | neither fax |
| 12:14.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | a pity |
| 12:14.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | nor HSCSD |
| 12:14.31 | XATRIX | Who uses fax these days ? :) |
| 12:14.41 | Lava_Croft | A lot of people do |
| 12:14.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | (my friend loves to call it LSDTHC) |
| 12:15.03 | Lava_Croft | Don't be so easy to dismiss 'old' tech :) |
| 12:15.06 | Lava_Croft | It can be quite persistent |
| 12:15.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | and useful |
| 12:15.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | it can establish point2point data connections |
| 12:15.57 | XATRIX | I don't , i'm just talking about it senseless ,cause we have quite fast enough internet connections |
| 12:16.06 | XATRIX | lazer color printers and so on |
| 12:16.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | buuurrrrp |
| 12:16.31 | Lava_Croft | That requires an active internet connection |
| 12:16.36 | Lava_Croft | and a printer, if you need stuff on paper |
| 12:16.45 | XATRIX | Yea |
| 12:16.52 | Lava_Croft | fax is quite easy and fast for that |
| 12:16.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | you won't establish encryped calls via internet in a usual manner |
| 12:17.09 | XATRIX | Fax doesn't require active connection and sends a shitty quality stuff |
| 12:17.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | you however *can* do this via CSD |
| 12:17.34 | Lava_Croft | fax is meant to send text, it does that quite well |
| 12:17.36 | Lava_Croft | no need for quality |
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| 12:17.44 | XATRIX | Fax can cipher connections ? |
| 12:17.46 | XATRIX | :)) |
| 12:17.48 | Lava_Croft | and of course thermal paper is just cute |
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| 12:18.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | also CSD has usually WAAAY lower latency/RTT than GPRS |
| 12:18.18 | XATRIX | RoundTripTime ? |
| 12:18.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | XATRIX: yes, fax can crypt data |
| 12:18.46 | XATRIX | O_O |
| 12:18.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | and yes RTT |
| 12:18.53 | XATRIX | never heard about :) |
| 12:19.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | no surprise |
| 12:21.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | some 4 years ago my friend switched from GPRS to CSD each time he needed PuTTY on his Nokia 6310i to administrate some server via ssh |
| 12:21.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | he couldn't take the keypress RTT delay |
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| 12:21.59 | Lava_Croft | Shoulda used Mosh! |
| 12:22.01 | Lava_Croft | ;) |
| 12:22.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | bwahahaha |
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| 12:23.33 | XATRIX | He could use a telnet way: ) |
| 12:23.40 | XATRIX | write-then-send :) |
| 12:24.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | you think telnet is block device? I don't think so |
| 12:24.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | "block device" as in vt100 block mode |
| 12:25.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | as opposed to character mode that's the one where you got remote echo |
| 12:26.04 | jon_y | what. telnet |
| 12:26.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | siemens DSS3974 used DUEZ-key to send one line |
| 12:26.32 | jon_y | telnet over the internet, that is crazy talk |
| 12:27.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure |
| 12:27.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway telnet via $any-connection is usually character mode |
| 12:27.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | afaik |
| 12:27.59 | jon_y | if you already use telnet, why don't you use netcat and skip the login? :) |
| 12:27.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | not sure |
| 12:28.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | jon_y: nobody using telnet |
| 12:29.44 | jon_y | except old coots who think ssh is too complicated |
| 12:30.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | starts to wonder if that shite been named DSS3975 |
| 12:30.26 | jon_y | than again, I've seen some avoiding ssh because it could be used to forward tcp connections |
| 12:30.54 | jon_y | thedailywtf thought me all I need to know about crazy :) |
| 12:35.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | btw to answer a Q of an hour ago: apt-get upgrade *might* be safe as long as you haven't enabled extras-devel |
| 12:35.50 | jonwil | no sane person uses telnet anymore unless the device they have doesn't handle SSH |
| 12:36.04 | luf | DocScrutinizer51: same as HAM ;) |
| 12:36.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | generally its usage is discouraged |
| 12:37.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | luf: not exactly, HAM won't update invisible pkgs |
| 12:37.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | aiui |
| 12:37.25 | luf | Ok. |
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| 12:45.12 | XATRIX | Can i use KDE on my device ? :) |
| 12:45.27 | XATRIX | I was there is a wiki on maemo.org |
| 12:45.37 | XATRIX | But how it suppose to make a calls then : ) |
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| 14:14.18 | NeutrinoPower | i registered me at talk.maemo.org but don't get an activation-link |
| 14:15.37 | andre__ | check your spam folder. |
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| 14:24.35 | NeutrinoPower | we don't have a spam-filter |
| 14:29.18 | Lava_Croft | Oh my:D |
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| 14:31.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | NeutrinoPower: maemo infra is generally borked atm. tmo though *should* still work |
| 14:32.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway sending of activation link might be a manual task and take some days |
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| 14:35.20 | NeutrinoPower | :D |
| 14:35.35 | NeutrinoPower | what is tmo? |
| 14:36.27 | NeutrinoPower | ok talk.maemo.org !?! |
| 14:37.50 | NeutrinoPower | what do you have to do to get the N950? |
| 14:40.36 | chem|st | NeutrinoPower: buy it for ~2keur from ebay |
| 14:40.57 | Lava_Croft | Locate user 'n950' in the real world and rob him blind |
| 14:41.01 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: it is vbulletin so emails should go automagically |
| 14:41.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno |
| 14:42.27 | chem|st | NeutrinoPower: you should be able to login and stuff... a wait you are loggd in and stuff... |
| 14:42.38 | NeutrinoPower | http://www.ebay.de/itm/NOKIA-N950-DEVELOPER-DEVICE-N9-/121036171374 |
| 14:42.57 | Lava_Croft | You are better off getting an N9 |
| 14:43.07 | NeutrinoPower | hm a little bit too expensive |
| 14:43.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ivgalvez on council at m.o: "tmo hosting costs 468$/month" W*T*F? |
| 14:43.21 | Lava_Croft | heh? |
| 14:43.24 | Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer05: seriously? |
| 14:43.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'm quoting ivgalvez quoting reggie |
| 14:43.47 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: +1 WTF! |
| 14:43.53 | Lava_Croft | holy shit |
| 14:44.01 | Lava_Croft | That's some expensive hosting if you ask me |
| 14:44.01 | chem|st | that was what I said the first time... |
| 14:44.01 | NeutrinoPower | wtf |
| 14:44.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems like contracts from last century never updated |
| 14:44.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | no surprise reggie doesn't want to continue it |
| 14:45.03 | Lava_Croft | yeah |
| 14:45.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, tmo might have a serious spam load, but still... |
| 14:45.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can get a 8core 32GB RAM 2TB storage managed server for ~250EUR/month |
| 14:46.23 | chem|st | selling n950s on ebay is just like putting a dump on maemo.org's front desk |
| 14:46.51 | chem|st | like the guy hording n950s... |
| 14:46.52 | Lava_Croft | I always believed they remained property of Nokia |
| 14:47.02 | Lava_Croft | Hence selling them on eBay would be 'illegal' |
| 14:47.26 | Lava_Croft | That guy hoarding the N950's, aptly named 'n950', is a real classic |
| 14:47.42 | chem|st | 5 n950s he got so far afair |
| 14:47.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | unmanaged: http://www.server4you.de/root-server/server-details.php?products=5 |
| 14:48.05 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: you go hetzner nowadays... |
| 14:48.16 | chem|st | or amazon cloud... |
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| 14:48.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | just picking random hoster |
| 14:48.26 | chem|st | :) |
| 14:48.44 | chem|st | could host it for 25eurs myself... |
| 14:49.11 | NeutrinoPower | we have a Server with Core i7, 4x 2,66GHz, 24GB RAM 2TB, 15TB/month for I think 60€/month |
| 14:49.14 | chem|st | or 30... |
| 14:49.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | 58EUR for 32GB and octo-core 2TB storage |
| 14:49.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually you go for unlimited traffic |
| 14:50.00 | chem|st | NeutrinoPower: and you do not need that for a forum ever... |
| 14:50.17 | NeutrinoPower | :D |
| 14:53.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: unless you are facing DDoS attacks |
| 14:53.26 | Lava_Croft | Oh nice, free Metro2033 game |
| 14:53.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | even then you should handle that in a smarter way than by raw power |
| 14:54.45 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: my last config survived an attack... but the centers backbone didn't |
| 14:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm trying to get my ass to move, to suggest *professional* administration to HF board - it happens that I know a few admins that did an awesome job for openmoko infra during some 6 years now |
| 14:55.28 | tadzik | Lava_Croft: what, where |
| 14:55.30 | chem|st | a good attack does not attack the server itself |
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| 14:55.50 | Lava_Croft | https://www.facebook.com/THQDemos?sk=app_395840630491782&app_data=us&code=AQBm9Y8J0mbL4vkFNE_U9wbuHpWTM_8UrNuvQrGfiXAAJ8a77hVDqTMymHcT1FJRybvJN8X-sXcakPLc3YWNUOQQgVADbwBBqprQG3u5R83oVLCNrN4Hq9Zk4RpkVEmn5ApFAItAM-v2HTqRsjEzsp2NB-7xG_JCfv344XYdHN-4aL_d-dQT74 |
| 14:55.54 | Lava_Croft | tadzik: ^^ |
| 14:56.14 | Lava_Croft | Yes, FB, and yes it gives you the Steam version |
| 14:56.14 | Lava_Croft | but meh, its gratis |
| 14:56.47 | tadzik | probably doesn't work on steam on linux anyway ;) |
| 14:56.55 | tadzik | thanks tho |
| 14:57.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | better pay 1000 %currency% to admins than 10 * 500 to usurer hosters for 10 servers that aren't really needed |
| 14:57.53 | Lava_Croft | tadzik: probably not |
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| 15:43.12 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do we even need a physical server? |
| 15:43.17 | kerio | VMs are cheaper |
| 15:44.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: the current infra is *insanely* more heavy iron than even one of those dedicated servers |
| 15:44.50 | kerio | yeah, but why? |
| 15:45.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a point we need to clarify |
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| 15:45.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | but for all I understand of hosting such infra, you'll need at least several vservers and you run those on a real dedicated server |
| 15:48.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas we weren't able yet to get hard numbers for traffic and load of the current infra |
| 15:49.11 | kerio | i can offer a sheevaplug on my home connection |
| 15:49.59 | kerio | it'll be enough, right? |
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| 15:50.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | too power hungry, we can't afford the energy |
| 15:50.38 | kerio | oh, right |
| 15:50.40 | kerio | dammit |
| 15:50.54 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: will HF gain control of the maemo.org domain, btw? |
| 15:51.08 | kerio | keeping the links active would be a *major* bonus, even with redirects |
| 15:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | about to accomplish that |
| 15:52.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
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| 17:13.03 | freemangordon | Pali: ping |
| 17:13.12 | Pali | freemangordon, pong |
| 17:13.26 | freemangordon | Pali: what stops you from pushing KP 52 in extras-devel? |
| 17:13.43 | Pali | testing bq2415x_charger :D |
| 17:13.49 | freemangordon | still? |
| 17:13.57 | freemangordon | wasn't it ok? |
| 17:14.36 | Pali | I has some problems that my n900 was too hot when was connected to charger at night |
| 17:14.57 | freemangordon | i mean... you pushed it upstream :D:D:D |
| 17:16.50 | Pali | board data code not yet |
| 17:16.52 | freemangordon | hmm, 3.7 is released |
| 17:17.05 | Pali | and it is in battery tree |
| 17:17.09 | freemangordon | 13 hours ago |
| 17:17.16 | Pali | which will be mayber merged to 3.8 |
| 17:17.34 | Pali | (or 3.9) |
| 17:18.46 | Pali | BME (on wallcharger) setting charge current sense voltage to 550 or 650mV and termination current sense voltage to 100mV |
| 17:19.14 | freemangordon | Pali: so? |
| 17:19.28 | Pali | charge21.sh (and also board data for bq2415x) setting: charge current sense voltage: 950 mV and termination current sense voltage: 150 mV |
| 17:20.03 | Pali | this is only difference between charge21.sh and BME |
| 17:20.27 | Pali | I will test what happen if I decrease charge current sense voltage |
| 17:20.34 | freemangordon | what does that mean for ordinary user? |
| 17:21.45 | Pali | I'm not happy that last time when I charged with bq2415x my n900 was too hot |
| 17:22.07 | Pali | ping DocScrutinizer05 |
| 17:22.14 | freemangordon | Pali: does ^^^ mean bigger charge current? |
| 17:22.32 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, it is really safe to increase charge current sense? |
| 17:22.58 | freemangordon | we might have problems during the summer |
| 17:23.11 | Pali | freemangordon, it is not current limit |
| 17:23.16 | freemangordon | esp on the beach ;) |
| 17:23.51 | freemangordon | Pali: does not matter, if it leads to hotter device |
| 17:24.37 | freemangordon | Pali: maybe export those through sysfs and use BME values as defaults |
| 17:24.57 | Pali | already exported by bq2415x |
| 17:25.05 | Pali | it can be configured at runtime via sysfs |
| 17:25.19 | Pali | in board code are defaults values |
| 17:25.38 | freemangordon | aah, ok. well, chnage them and push KP53 in extras-devel :P |
| 17:25.40 | freemangordon | oops |
| 17:25.45 | freemangordon | KP52 is that |
| 17:26.32 | Pali | I will ask DocScrutinizer about it |
| 17:27.01 | Pali | freemangordon, btw did you got my email about browser? |
| 17:28.39 | freemangordon | Pali: yes. I asked merlin1991 to organize a CSSU team meeting |
| 17:29.01 | freemangordon | bug-triaging and such, having in mind your mail too |
| 17:29.03 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: yep, you didn't answer when you're avaiable though :D |
| 17:29.06 | freemangordon | but... |
| 17:29.24 | merlin1991 | but I've been asking people behind your back ;) |
| 17:29.29 | freemangordon | merlin1991: are you trolling me :P |
| 17:29.43 | merlin1991 | btw Pali when's a good time for you? |
| 17:31.06 | Pali | merlin1991, 12-16 dec. afternoon, evening or night :D |
| 17:31.19 | Pali | other days - I do not know now |
| 17:31.50 | merlin1991 | so freemangordon whatabout you then? |
| 17:32.42 | freemangordon | today and on 15th I am busy |
| 17:33.07 | freemangordon | for the other evenings I should be ok |
| 17:33.09 | merlin1991 | other than that? |
| 17:33.17 | freemangordon | ^^^ |
| 17:33.41 | merlin1991 | arf irc lag ftw |
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| 17:36.04 | freemangordon | merlin1991: 13th? |
| 17:36.21 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 17:36.36 | merlin1991 | that seems to be the best point |
| 17:38.21 | Pali | merlin1991, can you send info about meeting also to romaxa? |
| 17:39.51 | freemangordon | Pali: he is your friend, why should merlin1991 send an invlitation :P |
| 17:40.38 | Pali | I mean that when merlin send email about meeting add CC to romaxa |
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| 17:43.11 | freemangordon | Pali: I got that, I was kidding |
| 17:43.31 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.10 | kerio | merlin1991: hrmpf, there are no updates in extras devel so i can't try the pdiff thing |
| 17:44.31 | merlin1991 | kerio: there was something yesterday |
| 17:44.36 | merlin1991 | 1 pdiff is there ;) |
| 17:45.17 | kerio | merlin1991: also, are you not mirroring the non-free packages, or are there no non-free packages at all? |
| 17:45.42 | merlin1991 | hm non-free should be mirrored aswell |
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| 17:46.13 | kerio | oh, there's just no diffindex |
| 17:46.34 | merlin1991 | and I was already doubting my configuration, how dare you! :D |
| 17:46.46 | Pali | +1 for diffindexes :-) |
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| 18:31.28 | qwazix | merlin1991, freemangordon, Pali say we manage to gather enough interested people and could sponsor a few Nexus 7 devices would you be interested to get hildon running on them (either with ubuntu core or mer core - both are already running on the N7) in a noob-usable state (I mean to ship images for flashing) |
| 18:32.57 | merlin1991 | well I certainly would have a lot of fun attempting that, but I don't even know what options $user has to flash an n7, never looked into it untill now |
| 18:33.16 | qwazix | It shouldn't be that hard, under ubuntu everything works except bluetooth which is flakey (and maybe gps, idk) |
| 18:33.26 | freemangordon | qwazix: I wander what has happened with the guy that ported hildon-desktop to mer |
| 18:33.39 | qwazix | merlin1991, Ubuntu has shipped a one-click installer |
| 18:33.52 | freemangordon | though yeah, it will be fun to test play woth it |
| 18:34.00 | freemangordon | *with |
| 18:34.03 | qwazix | freemangordon, cordia is stalled I think but it's in a usable state on mer |
| 18:34.10 | qwazix | (tried it, works ok) |
| 18:34.29 | qwazix | on ubuntu I don't know what's the state of the gtk3 port |
| 18:34.38 | merlin1991 | well I dunno if we really want to base our stuff on cordia, since yep gtk3 |
| 18:34.51 | qwazix | (shouldn't be too hard as hildon is compiled without deprecated features anyway) |
| 18:34.56 | freemangordon | hmm, afaik no gtk2 on ubuntu |
| 18:35.58 | qwazix | There is a GTK3 branch here https://github.com/Cordia |
| 18:36.11 | kerio | yay cordia |
| 18:36.19 | qwazix | which should work according to the developers |
| 18:36.30 | qwazix | (but I haven't tried it) |
| 18:37.41 | freemangordon | qwazix: what is the idea behind, I mean do we want maemo on that, or just maemo look? |
| 18:37.46 | qwazix | There is also a nice recovery for the N7 where you just choose the .img file and it installs it. Then you can multiboot with a gui. |
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| 18:38.42 | freemangordon | as porting h-d shouldn;t be that hard. |
| 18:38.50 | freemangordon | but what is the point? |
| 18:38.55 | qwazix | freemangordon, we want maemo. I just thought that it would be easier to rebase to something more recent and apps will come one by one, than forward-port all the debian-etch things in maemo to a newer device |
| 18:39.17 | kerio | freemangordon: the point is that hildon-desktop still rulez HARD |
| 18:39.28 | freemangordon | kerio: ORLY? |
| 18:39.31 | qwazix | after all ubuntu isn't that much far from maemo, (upstart, apt and things) |
| 18:39.33 | kerio | YARLY |
| 18:39.35 | freemangordon | tell me about it :P |
| 18:39.50 | kerio | qwazix: i would actually prefer sysV init |
| 18:39.57 | merlin1991 | arf I'd love to get rid of upstart |
| 18:40.15 | qwazix | and we'll have the added bonus of all the desktop apps in ubuntu |
| 18:40.15 | freemangordon | qwazix: having tried it on n900, i'd say its bloated a bit |
| 18:40.39 | freemangordon | on a toush-screen device? bonus? |
| 18:40.43 | freemangordon | *touch |
| 18:40.49 | qwazix | it is, it doesn't run as smooth as android on the N7 but we can strip it down can't we? |
| 18:41.05 | Sazpaimon | what's the process to use google voice over SIP again? |
| 18:41.09 | Sazpaimon | i can't remember |
| 18:41.11 | qwazix | ofc, what would I do without gnumeric on the N900? |
| 18:41.30 | freemangordon | qwazix: stripping down sounds to me harder than forward-porting maemo |
| 18:41.42 | freemangordon | though I might be wrong |
| 18:42.36 | merlin1991 | I'd start bottom up with h-d and then slowly adding device lock, dialer, sms, sip and telepathy or an alternative |
| 18:42.44 | freemangordon | qwazix: have in mind that even on that imaginary stripped-down ubuntu with h-d on it, you will still mis maemo applications |
| 18:43.08 | freemangordon | merlin1991: you mean to forward-port h-d to ubuntu? |
| 18:43.18 | merlin1991 | nah forward port h-d onto mer |
| 18:43.25 | merlin1991 | or rather take cordia and make the best of it |
| 18:43.38 | freemangordon | merlin1991: we won;t have the applications |
| 18:43.44 | kerio | yeah, cordia is already h-d ported to mer |
| 18:44.04 | luf | Just another question is the time :( |
| 18:44.14 | merlin1991 | yes, but desktop applications (ubuntu) are not exactly fun to use on a mobile phone |
| 18:44.35 | qwazix | yeah, but my thinking is that with the penetration of N7's (and the number of maemo community members that already got them) porting will start soon enough. I for one can port a few apps. See how quickly harmattan got apps, despite porting them being harder because of the need to rewrite the ui. |
| 18:44.49 | freemangordon | and having perfenctly running h-d makes no sense if one cannot use applications that are available in maemo |
| 18:45.31 | qwazix | The idea is to have hildon running on it and then present it to tmo as the next maemo device, subforum and all. |
| 18:45.49 | merlin1991 | if we keep a gtk2 + qt base (like maemo) with maybe added harmattan (nemo) qml components, "porting" applications gets easy and fast |
| 18:45.56 | qwazix | Will keep the fire on for a couple of years more, and a new dev cycle can begin. |
| 18:46.02 | qwazix | merlin1991, yes, that. |
| 18:46.15 | freemangordon | qwazix: imo maemo5 goes circles around harmattan in terms of applications, despite almost all of the good developers were withdrawn by Nokia promises |
| 18:48.00 | qwazix | It does. I'm just saying that it doesn't lack apps, despite having to write them virtually from scratch |
| 18:48.03 | freemangordon | i'd rather prefer to keep maemo5 as it is, with plans for kernel upgrade. having everything in the repos available once you install/flash maemo on your n7 will attract far more people |
| 18:48.21 | kerio | freemangordon: shit will not work |
| 18:48.24 | freemangordon | otherwise wi'll split the developers. once again |
| 18:48.44 | kerio | freemangordon: the n7's screen is 1280x800 |
| 18:48.49 | freemangordon | kerio: so? |
| 18:48.49 | kerio | the n900's screen is 800x480 |
| 18:49.01 | qwazix | freemangordon, if you think it's possible I'm all in. I was just proposing what I thought was feasible/easier |
| 18:49.07 | freemangordon | ~1280/800 |
| 18:49.07 | infobot | 1.6 |
| 18:49.15 | freemangordon | ~800/480 |
| 18:49.16 | infobot | 1.666666666667 |
| 18:49.21 | freemangordon | kerio: ^^^ |
| 18:49.22 | kerio | it's not even the same aspect ratio |
| 18:50.00 | kerio | programs made for maemo aren't expected to handle resolutions different from 800x480 or 480x800 |
| 18:50.02 | freemangordon | qwazix: I am not defining what is possible, just some random thoughts |
| 18:50.19 | freemangordon | kerio: and you know that where from? |
| 18:50.49 | kerio | from all the applications that shit bricks when forced to rotate |
| 18:50.52 | luf | kerio: why? |
| 18:50.59 | freemangordon | not to say that not everything in repos is UI |
| 18:51.14 | freemangordon | qwazix: BTW we are talking omap, ain't? |
| 18:51.21 | SpeedEvil | I tried various apps exported to my desktop |
| 18:51.27 | SpeedEvil | few worked right |
| 18:51.29 | luf | kerio: It's not ready for landscape but it's different from resolution. |
| 18:51.32 | merlin1991 | luf: quite a few apps on maemo have hardcoded pixel widhts |
| 18:51.38 | SpeedEvil | resolution wise |
| 18:52.44 | freemangordon | what CPU is that? |
| 18:52.47 | luf | merlin1991: ok, I run several using X forwarding :D |
| 18:54.08 | qwazix | freemangordon, tegra 3 |
| 18:54.21 | freemangordon | isn;t that SoC? |
| 18:55.13 | freemangordon | well, what I meant is it ARM enough to run maemo binaries? |
| 18:56.12 | freemangordon | according to wikipedia: |
| 18:56.16 | freemangordon | "1.2 GHz Quad-core ARM Cortex-A9 (up to 1.3 GHz in single-core mode)" |
| 18:56.32 | freemangordon | tegra 3 30L |
| 18:56.46 | SpeedEvil | wishes for data sheets |
| 18:58.27 | qwazix | I don't know more info about the SoC, maybe I can run something to find ubuntu architecture? I think it's armhf but not sure |
| 18:58.32 | qwazix | definitely not armel |
| 18:59.21 | freemangordon | qwazix: arm hard/sof fp has nothing to do with cpu core itself |
| 18:59.30 | freemangordon | *soft |
| 19:00.12 | freemangordon | what about GPU drivers, are they FOSS? |
| 19:00.20 | qwazix | No, they're blob |
| 19:00.52 | freemangordon | so, the same as with SGX? |
| 19:00.58 | qwazix | but, when I was at slush (jolla event) there was an nvidia session where they showed us some foss drivers they were developing |
| 19:01.05 | freemangordon | oss kernel side with closed userspace blobs? |
| 19:01.10 | qwazix | not fully working but we saw graphics on a tablet |
| 19:01.51 | SpeedEvil | qwazix: accelleratd? |
| 19:03.02 | qwazix | SpeedEvil, sure, unity doesn't work without acceleration anymore |
| 19:03.28 | qwazix | freemangordon, I don't know the exact architecture, I just read this: http://hwe.ubuntu.com/uds-r/nexus7/ubuntu-nexus7-USAGE-NOTICE-en.txt |
| 19:05.58 | luf | I'm still afraid due to time. But it'll be nice to see some new devels helping me with bluez and others :) |
| 19:06.30 | freemangordon | qwazix: to be honest, I dont believe maemo on n7 will happen on a volunteers basis. while me and merlin1991 and the others migth be interested to play/hack it, one cannot run such a project in his spare time |
| 19:07.01 | qwazix | I also thought about chrooting to maemo but Nokia does some really weird things to launch hildon desktop and I repeatedly failed to launch it (on harmattan). Apps launch ok. |
| 19:09.15 | freemangordon | qwazix: I am sure we all can help a lot, but can't imagine to be the driving force behind the project. |
| 19:09.40 | qwazix | freemangordon, that's why I thought that just porting hildon to a newer platform would be the way to go. We get updates from them and we just need to maintain hildon. I strongly believe that apps will come in time by the users/devs of the community, one at a time, just like with every new maemo device. We did it 4 times, let's hope that if we choose a nice new base this is going to be the last. |
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| 19:10.47 | luf | qwazix: what other devices can run maemo/hildon? |
| 19:11.03 | qwazix | 770, N800, N810 |
| 19:11.09 | freemangordon | luf: n9/50 :P |
| 19:11.17 | kerio | qwazix: not the latest maemo |
| 19:11.24 | kerio | freemangordon: not maemo at all |
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| 19:11.44 | freemangordon | kerio: <luf> qwazix: what other devices can run maemo/hildon? |
| 19:11.49 | qwazix | luf, maybe I misunderstood the question, you mean have the possibility to? |
| 19:11.54 | freemangordon | the key word being "can" |
| 19:12.03 | kerio | then "everything" |
| 19:12.29 | qwazix | kerio, where's your toaster? |
| 19:12.38 | luf | I ment on what devices was maemo/hildon ported. |
| 19:12.45 | kerio | qwazix: it's busy compiling gentoo |
| 19:13.01 | freemangordon | luf: n900 |
| 19:13.36 | luf | qwazix: I'm affraid you show only Nokia devices ... No device with only community behind. |
| 19:13.53 | qwazix | luf, maemo none, hildon has been spotted on x86 on ubuntu and on the S10-3t running on meego and that pretty much covers it |
| 19:14.02 | freemangordon | luf: cordia was supposed to do that |
| 19:14.26 | freemangordon | but for various reason it seems to be abandoned |
| 19:15.07 | freemangordon | qwazix: tried to contact smoku? |
| 19:15.28 | qwazix | No, got any contact info? |
| 19:15.41 | qwazix | I can send a message to the mailing list though |
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| 19:15.56 | freemangordon | qwazix: http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=27435 ? |
| 19:17.07 | freemangordon | qwazix: who knows, he might get interested to resurrect cordia as a community project |
| 19:18.25 | freemangordon | after all cordia is smoku's pet. there is lots of development on source code front in CSSU too |
| 19:18.47 | freemangordon | and various pieces from meego/nemo/mer |
| 19:21.31 | qwazix | hm, last post not too far in the past. I'll send him a pm |
| 19:22.07 | freemangordon | qwazix: BTW i think i saw some discussion about porting h-d in alarm. on #maemo-alternatives |
| 19:22.57 | freemangordon | 08:36 <Skry> so, at least it builds, I'll try to sort the linking issues tomorrow and see if it runs |
| 19:22.57 | qwazix | alarm? |
| 19:23.16 | freemangordon | Arch Linux on ARM |
| 19:23.21 | qwazix | oh |
| 19:27.41 | freemangordon | Pali: is there anything core in Maemo5 besides mce we don;t have a replacement? |
| 19:28.06 | Pali | systemui daemon |
| 19:28.18 | freemangordon | Pali: count that as we have it :D:D:D |
| 19:28.25 | luf | freemangordon: networking? |
| 19:28.28 | freemangordon | it is 26K x86 binary |
| 19:28.32 | Pali | (all telephony and icd stuff, but this is irrelevant) |
| 19:28.45 | freemangordon | luf: ummm, what networking? libicd2? |
| 19:28.48 | luf | icd is the right name :) |
| 19:29.07 | Pali | icd is stupid... |
| 19:29.08 | freemangordon | do we really need that? |
| 19:29.22 | freemangordon | i mean can something from mer be used? |
| 19:29.30 | Pali | maybe next year I look at arch necfg properly and write modules for maemo |
| 19:30.11 | Pali | I read that somebody was able to use gprs/3g modem with pppd on some alternative system |
| 19:30.14 | freemangordon | yeah, lets see ho the transition will end |
| 19:30.22 | freemangordon | *how |
| 19:30.48 | Pali | freemangordon, core daemon which is closed is: iphbd |
| 19:31.00 | freemangordon | Pali: afaik Skry did a phone call with ofono and 3G(GSM?) data connection on arch |
| 19:31.02 | Pali | it was *not* opened for meego |
| 19:31.06 | freemangordon | Pali: what is that? |
| 19:31.43 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/iphbd |
| 19:32.32 | Pali | it is used in dsme, mce? and other apps (using library libiphb) for waking up when something happends |
| 19:32.47 | Pali | libiphb (as client library) was opened |
| 19:33.28 | Pali | https://gitorious.org/dsme/libiphb |
| 19:33.33 | Pali | https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/libiphb |
| 19:34.11 | Pali | next closed core daemon is location-daemon |
| 19:34.41 | freemangordon | Pali: come on , iphbd is 16k, i'll re it while having my coffee tomorrow :P |
| 19:34.42 | Pali | but there is some RE info about phonet location packets and already written parser for that (somewhere on wiki) |
| 19:35.12 | luf | freemangordon: too many coffees will kill you. |
| 19:35.26 | freemangordon | luf: hehe |
| 19:35.27 | qwazix | mail to smoku sent. Let's see if/what he'll respond |
| 19:35.51 | freemangordon | Pali: well location daemon could be hard stuff |
| 19:36.05 | Pali | another closed app is policy-application-detector which doing something magic with policy ohm and other parts... |
| 19:36.16 | freemangordon | ohm is slosed source? |
| 19:36.19 | freemangordon | *closed |
| 19:36.24 | Pali | somewhere on tmo thread I wrote info what that app doing |
| 19:36.27 | Pali | ohm is open |
| 19:36.36 | Pali | and all ohm plugins was opened |
| 19:36.39 | qwazix | by the way they're trying over at xda to make a phone call with the 3g N7? I'd love to beat them to that :) |
| 19:36.49 | Pali | in git tree you can also find maemo5 version of ohm |
| 19:36.55 | Pali | see links on: https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages |
| 19:37.12 | Pali | I added here also maemo5 commits of opened binaries |
| 19:37.33 | Pali | closed is also pasr which doing something with pulseaudio |
| 19:37.43 | luf | alsaped? |
| 19:37.45 | freemangordon | Pali: great. so, besides location daemon there is nothing that is worth mentioning? |
| 19:38.04 | Pali | luf, yes, alsaped too :-) |
| 19:38.07 | Pali | is closed |
| 19:38.34 | Pali | and sysinfod daemon |
| 19:38.40 | Pali | and clockd daemon |
| 19:39.45 | Pali | freemangordon, that should be all from core (non ui) parts |
| 19:40.32 | Pali | if you want to look at mce I have some patches on top of harmattan mce which adding some fremantle (deleted) code |
| 19:40.38 | freemangordon | ok. clockd is 37K x86 binary |
| 19:40.58 | Pali | for clockd there is very nice documentation |
| 19:41.08 | Pali | where is written that is clockd doing |
| 19:41.35 | Pali | in clocd is missing option for syncing time from network (ntp) or from gps |
| 19:41.51 | freemangordon | Pali: well, right now I am trying to make a clear view how much of an effort remains for closed stuff in maemo |
| 19:41.52 | Pali | if you RE clockd, I can write that missing ntp support |
| 19:42.15 | freemangordon | Pali: after you use libcal :P |
| 19:42.49 | Pali | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/clockd/ |
| 19:43.06 | Pali | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libtime/ |
| 19:43.32 | Pali | ^^^ a lot of information about functions in library & daemon |
| 19:43.37 | Pali | with description |
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| 19:44.31 | luf | I know I should search first but you know a lot :) Is there something what brings support into N900 calendar for removing one occurrence from repeating event? |
| 19:44.40 | freemangordon | hmm jonwil might get interested in that |
| 19:45.11 | Pali | next closed library is libabook (based on open libebook) for contacts |
| 19:45.13 | freemangordon | luf: check libalarm |
| 19:45.27 | freemangordon | Pali: forget libabook |
| 19:45.37 | freemangordon | this is huuge |
| 19:45.57 | Pali | and I forgot camera daemon: omap3camd |
| 19:46.02 | Pali | this is also core |
| 19:46.31 | freemangordon | yeah :( |
| 19:46.53 | freemangordon | BTW I still have no idea what omap3camd does |
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| 19:47.47 | Pali | it doing some image correction |
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| 19:50.47 | qwazix | Could we get rid of it if camera-ui switches to fcam? |
| 19:50.58 | Pali | libomap3camd - That proprietary library is responsible for implementing automatic white balance, exposure and focus functionality, and performing still capture, for example. |
| 19:51.10 | freemangordon | qwazix: fcam is doing its own image correction? |
| 19:51.11 | Pali | freemangordon, ^^^ this is what I found about omap3camd |
| 19:51.25 | qwazix | all that can be done with fcam |
| 19:51.34 | qwazix | not video however |
| 19:51.57 | freemangordon | qwazix: why not? |
| 19:52.25 | qwazix | Now that I think about it I'm not sure it can't... |
| 19:52.42 | qwazix | We'll have to check how fast can it produce frames |
| 19:52.55 | qwazix | and pipe them to something else for encoding |
| 19:52.57 | freemangordon | qwazix: no, this is not how it works afaik |
| 19:53.01 | Pali | alsaped is in package alsa-policy-enforcement |
| 19:53.36 | Pali | I think thats all from closed core packages |
| 19:54.38 | qwazix | freemangordon, how does it work? I have zero knowledge about video |
| 19:55.26 | freemangordon | qwazix: it puts video driver in a different mode |
| 19:56.54 | freemangordon | Pali: so, hard things - alsaped, location daemon, libabook, omap3camd. last one maybe could be replaced with fcam |
| 19:57.07 | qwazix | I haven't seen anything about video in fcam api that's why I said it can't do it. But as long as it streams to the screen maybe it can be hacked to stream to mencoder or something idk. |
| 19:57.07 | freemangordon | did i miss something? |
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| 19:57.38 | freemangordon | qwazix: you need a way to switch resolutions |
| 19:58.03 | freemangordon | to do autofocus, zoom, etc |
| 19:58.21 | Pali | problematic with camera is only omap3cam. camera firmware was opened (some perl scripts :D), kernel driver is open too, gstreamer plugin open too, camera-ui application was rewritten |
| 19:58.21 | freemangordon | qwazix: have in mind i have NFC about fcam drivers |
| 19:58.34 | freemangordon | Pali: yes |
| 19:59.17 | qwazix | autofocus and resolution switch can be done easily, zoom shouldn't be hard but not sure |
| 19:59.39 | freemangordon | qwazix: maybe a more realistic approach is to try to run maemo with newer kernel/glibc on n900 first and then to port it to n7 |
| 19:59.41 | kerio | qwazix: right, because streaming the screen to mencoder will work perfectly fine on the n900 |
| 20:00.15 | freemangordon | qwazix: are you sure omap3camd does not play with fcam drivers? |
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| 20:00.49 | qwazix | kerio, not streaming the screen to mencoder, streaming the image from the camera to $encoder, but that was just an idea I don't know if it could work |
| 20:01.03 | luf | is iap_conndlg closed? |
| 20:01.05 | qwazix | freemangordon, no I'm not sure |
| 20:01.19 | luf | It's because something else ;) |
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| 20:01.31 | luf | iap_conndlg 2.88+0m5[1568]: Connecting RFCOMM failed: Method "Connect" with signature "s" on interface "org.bluez.Serial" doesn't exist |
| 20:02.11 | luf | I can't understand the problem as the serial support in bluez-4.99 is same as in bluez-4.66. So I want to get more info about calling. |
| 20:03.02 | freemangordon | luf: I think ^^^ is clear enough, you are missing some dbus method |
| 20:03.24 | freemangordon | maybe there is a signature change, from 's' to 'v' for example |
| 20:03.53 | freemangordon | or the method is no longer called 'Connect' |
| 20:04.14 | luf | bluetoothd[1769]: serial/port.c:create_serial_device() Registered interface org.bluez.Serial on path /org/bluez/1769/hci0/dev_00_0C_76_D3_71_7E |
| 20:04.42 | freemangordon | luf: ok, but what methods do you have on that iface? |
| 20:05.04 | luf | 4.99: { "Connect", "s", "s", port_connect, G_DBUS_METHOD_FLAG_ASYNC }, |
| 20:05.04 | luf | 4.60: { "Connect", "s", "s", port_connect, G_DBUS_METHOD_FLAG_ASYNC }, |
| 20:05.34 | luf | I'm not sure on what patch the iap_conndlg is trying that Connect. |
| 20:05.42 | luf | *path |
| 20:05.47 | freemangordon | luf: can you try with dbus-launch? |
| 20:06.24 | luf | No as I don't have how the don_falcone was calling that :( |
| 20:06.59 | freemangordon | luf: aah, sorry, I thought you have that on your device :) |
| 20:07.52 | freemangordon | luf: what about path? is it the same? |
| 20:07.59 | luf | Anyone knows how to browse remote computer via Bluez on N900? |
| 20:08.10 | luf | No idea. I pasted all I know about it :( |
| 20:08.33 | freemangordon | luf: I don;t think we have an application to support that |
| 20:08.42 | luf | The Register is from my N900. The iap_conndlg is not from my N900. |
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| 20:11.07 | qwazix | luf, if you set up a bluetooth pan, then samba or nfs and use wizard mounter? |
| 20:11.43 | luf | No it's not the goal. I need to use obexFTP. |
| 20:12.32 | qwazix | ah ok, |
| 20:13.20 | freemangordon | guys, we may ask the board (or council or do a donation pull) and byr ARM hexrays |
| 20:13.33 | Cor-Ai | sexchatta.nu |
| 20:13.40 | freemangordon | *buy |
| 20:13.42 | Cor-Ai | hmm... |
| 20:14.29 | kerio | well, i clicked that |
| 20:14.32 | kerio | it doesn't load |
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| 20:18.04 | qwazix | 1722eur? and why is it 1 eur more expensive than the x86 one? |
| 20:23.23 | qwazix | There's another possibility (if the maemo binaries run on tegra). Make h-d work on ubuntu, put the whole maemo rootfs on a chroot minus the closed bits and run them on the chroot but on the main display, just like the debbie script. Ugly hack but still. |
| 20:26.42 | freemangordon | qwazix: well, it is not exactly cheap, but 1700 euro is not like a million |
| 20:28.02 | freemangordon | and that will allow us to RE almost everything, including phone-ui, cellular modem daemo, omap3camd, etc, etc |
| 20:28.13 | freemangordon | conversations... |
| 20:29.30 | qwazix | hmm, so in addition to a couple of N7's and the migration stuff we've got to raise about 3 grand as I see it... |
| 20:29.44 | qwazix | not impossible... |
| 20:31.03 | FIQ | N7? |
| 20:31.12 | freemangordon | nexus |
| 20:31.21 | FIQ | oh |
| 20:31.27 | FIQ | er |
| 20:31.31 | FIQ | running hildon on N7? or what? |
| 20:31.44 | freemangordon | FIQ: read the backscroll |
| 20:31.51 | FIQ | i'll see |
| 20:38.26 | luf | Ugh I'm unable to find connui-conndlgs-bluetooth 2.61+0m5 source ... is it somewhere? |
| 20:39.35 | freemangordon | luf: surorise, surprise, it is closed source :P |
| 20:39.53 | luf | :D |
| 20:39.59 | luf | Maybe that's the reason ... |
| 20:40.38 | FIQ | ah ok |
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| 21:02.52 | luf | freemangorfon: what is libconbtui0-hid? |
| 21:03.22 | luf | BTW I find the source of that error: libconbtui0 2.88+0m5 |
| 21:03.35 | luf | But it seems another closed .... :( |
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| 21:04.31 | freemangordon | yeah, it is |
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| 21:06.13 | luf | And I'm also surprised that I see strings like PBAP in librfcomm.so |
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| 21:06.36 | freemangordon | is that closed source too? |
| 21:07.02 | luf | libconbtui0 - you wrote it's closed |
| 21:07.15 | freemangordon | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.20 | freemangordon | that one |
| 21:07.34 | luf | it's part of libconbtui0 |
| 21:07.38 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 21:08.57 | luf | Maybe the log entry only means that the remote BT doesn't support serial :) |
| 21:09.42 | luf | I have to wait for don_falcone input. I'm going to bed as I have to start working in 4 hours and 30 minutes. |
| 21:10.19 | freemangordon | luf: BTW it should be relatively easy to rewrite whatever BT UI plugin we want |
| 21:10.33 | freemangordon | luf: aah, rush then LD |
| 21:10.41 | freemangordon | *:D |
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| 21:34.36 | kerio | freemangordon: you always say that! |
| 21:34.43 | kerio | you can't be sure! |
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| 21:39.10 | Sazpaimon | is the scratchbox repository down for anyone? |
| 21:41.36 | tadzik | speaking of which, I can't seem to be able to install qt4-dev-tools in it :) |
| 21:42.09 | tadzik | http://wklej.org/id/894695/txt/ |
| 21:42.13 | tadzik | any ideas? |
| 21:45.12 | merlin1991 | Sazpaimon: scratchbox repository goes up and down all the time |
| 21:45.28 | merlin1991 | tadzik: what do you get out of apt-cache policy qt4-dev-tools |
| 21:45.32 | merlin1991 | and why do you even neeed it? |
| 21:45.42 | tadzik | merlin1991: I want qmake |
| 21:45.53 | merlin1991 | it's inside libqt4-dev |
| 21:45.57 | merlin1991 | iirc |
| 21:45.58 | tadzik | ah, okayo |
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| 21:46.39 | Sazpaimon | also, how can I add a devkit to an already existing target |
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| 21:48.51 | merlin1991 | hm you could try settting it up again with sb-conf st "targetname" -d "devkits" |
| 21:49.02 | merlin1991 | and then installing it via sb-conf in -d |
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| 21:56.55 | Sazpaimon | yeah but then I'd need to extract the rootstrap and all that garbage |
| 21:57.05 | Sazpaimon | for now I just added the devkit to my PATH |
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| 22:20.30 | asch | hello guys, can you help me with my nokia N9? i have flashed rom with 1.3 with the variant 340 and the rom has sim-lock... is there any rom with higher number than 340 without simlock? or is there a way how to flash rom with lower variant? |
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| 22:21.32 | Lava_Croft | asch: try #harmattan |
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