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00:00.55SpeedEvilsigh. mandating a $.5 USB device at the far end would have been so easy
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00:19.14DocScrutinizer05http://www.usb.org/developers/compliance/check_list/TPL_form_otgeh2_0_v1.0_-_fill-in.pdf  for madness of OTG (application form for inclusion of your device into OTG TPL "whitelist")
00:45.43SpeedEvilthen again, what would usb be without chargers for $1
00:47.07SpeedEvilapart from nonlethal that is,
00:56.40DocScrutinizer51:-P
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05:33.57DocScrutinizer05BWAHAAAHAAAHAA (twinkle forum: "please support XDG, see http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/latest") guess who! GUESS!!!!! poettering again - ROTFL
05:37.27DocScrutinizer05http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/twinklephone/message/4027
05:40.28DocScrutinizer05>> Those who do not understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it badly. << sounds like addressed specifically to Lennart
05:52.10DocScrutinizer05and this ploum-guy is really golden - rationale for XDG is ***>>A BUG IN A  GNOME app<<***: " (my mother will not cry anymore when the gtk file selector randomly choose to display hidden folders)"
05:54.31DocScrutinizer05so let's move .profile and .bashrc to a new location, after literally bart simpson and his dog learned those live in ~<user>/.profile and ~<user>/.bashrc, and did so since 1953
05:54.36DocScrutinizer05really really
05:54.40DocScrutinizer05~poettering
05:54.40infobot'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering''
05:55.14DocScrutinizer05meh, the definition missing 'ignorant'
05:57.49DocScrutinizer05almost feels amused about the fact that maybe a third of user posts in http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/twinklephone/messages are like "Poettering said $blablabla, now please the F*CK adopt his holy commandments to your app"
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06:43.34DocScrutinizer05it's absolutely mind-boggling how you actually can tell from general basic policy of any sw project that it must have some contribution from Poettering. Each single time the baselne of argumentation is "Unix is obsolete and a mess, now we start all new again and do it better, though in an incompatible way but *so what?*". And each time serious honest experts step up and explain why obviously the main problem tackled in this brilliant
06:43.35DocScrutinizer05new concept is PEBKAC and >> Those who do not understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it badly. <<
06:45.06RST38hDoc: s/badly/again and again/
06:45.22RST38hDoc: and only then, in parenthesis, "(badly)" =)
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06:50.49DocScrutinizer05RST38h: s/badly/poettering/
06:51.34RST38hheh
06:52.06RST38hSeriously though, maybe he just needs a girlfriend
06:52.43DocScrutinizer05then the whole misery is a WONTFIX ;-P
06:52.55RST38hYou never know...
06:57.13DocScrutinizer05RST38h: honestly, what can you say when somebody suggests to move all ~/.<filename> to ~/.<somenewXDGdir>/<projname>/filename, to avoid problems with GTK as in "my mother will not cry anymore when the gtk file selector randomly choose to display hidden folders"
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07:05.42tadzikas someone who actually uses hidden .files sometimes, I'd much rather have all the mess in .config
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07:06.31tadzikexcept when it's maemo, which has .config/Authorname. Who the fuck are those guys and why do I care? Where are my config files? Eh
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07:19.26RST38hDoc: I would say, let them do whatever they want, turn Redhat into "Gnome OS", then die in oblivion
07:19.52DocScrutinizer51yeah, appreciated
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07:55.13kerioDocScrutinizer05: perhaps one of you should clearly state "when we say that those who don't understand unix are doomed to reinvent it badly we mean that poettering doesn't understand unix and we don't care about his bad inventions"
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08:00.04DocScrutinizer51kerio: well, you did. Thanks
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08:16.24tadzikexcept when we're bound to use PA, neh?
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10:52.09XATRIXHi guys, i start receiving such things in my dmesg
10:52.15XATRIX[127267.242309] bq27x00-battery 2-0055: battery is not calibrated! ignoring capacity values
10:52.18XATRIXWTF ?
10:52.31XATRIXAny ideas on it ?
10:52.36Aoyagi_joytopIt would seem you need to calibrate it.
10:53.21XATRIXObviously yea, but how ? :)
10:54.51Aoyagi_joytophttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 ?
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11:05.30wojtas__hi all, i have problem whit internet connetions.i see wifi conntetions but there is no aviable gprs
11:06.05wojtas__i restet do def setting, but that didn;t help
11:07.07XATRIXNokia-N900:/usr/local/bin# sh bq27200.sh
11:07.07XATRIXLOOPMODE=0
11:07.07XATRIXReading valuesError: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy
11:07.08XATRIX.Error: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy
11:07.09XATRIX...
11:08.11entitledBroken.
11:08.22XATRIXCrap
11:08.27XATRIXWhat can i do?
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11:09.18entitledNo idea.
11:09.48entitledmaybe it's the service provider
11:09.55entitledmine has done that few times.
11:09.58XATRIXIs it a broken battery ?
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11:10.12entitlednah I don't think anything is broken
11:10.28XATRIXSo what ? :)
11:10.35entitledalthough a broken battery caused disconnect for me.
11:10.49XATRIXDisconnect from what ?
11:11.03entitledfrom 2G/3G
11:11.18XATRIXI don't experience the same so far
11:11.38entitledeverytime I laid the device for a awhile and opened it/started typing
11:12.08entitledalso some issues with getting the connection in the first place from the boot.
11:12.36XATRIXHm...it seems that i have no such yet :)
11:12.38entitledTried shutting down, taking battery off and booting?
11:13.05XATRIXNope
11:13.26XATRIXActually the USB cable is in for now ?
11:13.55XATRIXMaybe during the charging process, it locks the controller
11:14.09XATRIXAnd i have to plug it out before i run bq27200.sh ?
11:15.50entitledcan't really say
11:15.59XATRIXYea
11:16.36XATRIXNothing changes while i diconnect charer
11:16.44XATRIXs/charer/charger
11:17.29XATRIXAlso, is it ok if i do apt-get upgrade ?
11:19.35entitledwhy not?
11:20.41ShadowJK<entitled> everytime I laid the device for a awhile and opened it/started typing
11:20.51ShadowJK<entitled> also some issues with getting the connection in the first place from the boot.
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11:20.58ShadowJKthis sounds like the dreaded modem death
11:22.02ShadowJKit usually starts by glitching when you open/close slider, type  on keyboard, put it into or taking out of pocket, etc
11:23.43ShadowJKSometimes padding with paper, or changing to a thinner or thicker battery will make the problem go away for a few days or weeks
11:24.49XATRIXAlso can you check the shit i have on ?
11:24.51XATRIXhttp://hastebin.com/niholovime.avrasm
11:24.55XATRIXAny advices ?
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11:32.29RST38hShadowJK <== scaremonging =)
11:35.25XATRIXSeems like i fixed my repos
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11:54.15SpeedEvilRST38h: ShadowJK describes my old n900s problem perfectly
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12:03.39XATRIXGuys i still receive such a things while i run apt-get update
12:03.41XATRIXW: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546
12:04.08XATRIXSomeone on the talks.mermo advices the following: Thanks for your deep analysys!!! I can only add that I have deleted all the files named domain.* in /var/lib/hildon-application-manager/ and the problem has dissapeared!!
12:04.12XATRIXIs it ok for ?
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12:12.52jogahttp://i.imgur.com/iNWCG.jpg
12:13.42tadzikif only those Nokias were actually this die-hard :)
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12:27.59XATRIXhttp://hastebin.com/cojehoyida.avrasm
12:28.05XATRIXAny futher ideas ?
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12:33.42tadzikthose are warnings, just disregard them
12:36.32XATRIXYes, but i think it won't install software from these repos
12:37.00XATRIXAlsi i have The following packages have been kept back:
12:37.00XATRIX<PROTECTED>
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12:37.34tadzikI'd say pay no mind to it
12:37.42XATRIXOk
12:37.45tadzikis anything broken, or you're just puzzled by the output?
12:38.11XATRIXIf i do dist-upgrade
12:38.15XATRIXCalculating upgrade... Failed
12:38.15XATRIXThe following packages have unmet dependencies:
12:38.15XATRIX<PROTECTED>
12:38.15XATRIX<PROTECTED>
12:38.16XATRIXE: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
12:38.55XATRIXThat's seems to be broken
12:38.57tadzikdon't
12:39.00tadzikuse HAM
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12:39.09XATRIXBut ?
12:39.10tadzikdoes anything break if you use ham?
12:39.25XATRIXI don't know, HAM GUI says nothing to me
12:39.54XATRIXJust shows no packages are in queue for upgrade
12:40.00tadzikthen it's probably right
12:40.30XATRIXAlso i've  disabled maemo-testing maemo-devel
12:40.50XATRIXBut yesterday i updated using these repos
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13:59.16XATRIXWhat can you say about this ?
13:59.18XATRIXhttp://i.imm.io/ODAt.jpeg
13:59.27XATRIXI'm experiencing a bit slowdown
13:59.53XATRIXWhile it was incoming call, i finally got the control over 10 seconds
14:00.04XATRIXafter the black screen switched to caller
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14:06.18DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: seems to me like you have installed like 100% +-20% of possible nonsense and betatest stuff. No surprise when doing apt-get upgrade even from extras-devel (and who knows what else you got installed as repo)
14:06.40DocScrutinizer05probably your only sane recovery patch is to start *all* new
14:06.48DocScrutinizer05path*
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14:13.08XATRIX:(
14:13.33XATRIXYou mean i have to flash it with initial eMMC:(
14:14.12XATRIXBut why pidgin is running ?
14:14.16XATRIXI closed it
14:14.22XATRIXWith X via GUI
14:15.05XATRIXMaybe i have to just restart this crap ?
14:19.22DocScrutinizer51XATRIX: you seem to have installed sth like bme-replacement, a wrong busybox version, you got completely used sap due to problems in messaging, and you maybe got wrong glibc
14:19.46DocScrutinizer51swap*
14:20.21DocScrutinizer51you did upgrade while extras-devel enabled
14:21.03DocScrutinizer51whereas you probably *never* should do apt-get upgrade
14:22.07DocScrutinizer51seems you got several desktop widgets installed, some of them most likely crap
14:22.26XATRIXSo, if i issue apt-get upgrade, i will ruin my system while extras-debel is disabled ?
14:22.53DocScrutinizer51basically yes
14:22.57XATRIXI have phone widget, i have myIP widget, and weather
14:25.08XATRIXThat's crap :(
14:25.32DocScrutinizer51sorry, your system shows symptoms of like 4 or 5 unrelated problems of which each single one is"mt easy to fix
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14:26.09DocScrutinizer51all caused by installing stuff to happily
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14:32.07DocScrutinizer51too*
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14:41.06DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: your initial post >><XATRIX> [127267.242309] bq27x00-battery 2-0055: battery is not calibrated! ignoring capacity values<< already suggests you got sone dysfunctional stuff relating battery management installed
14:41.25XATRIXYea
14:41.38DocScrutinizer05>><XATRIX> .Error: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy<< confirms that
14:41.58XATRIXBut maybe it can be fixed by reboot or battery in out
14:42.06DocScrutinizer05no way
14:42.26XATRIXbut
14:42.52DocScrutinizer05odds are you deplete your battery caused by non-working bme, and then you're doomed since you can't even reflash anymore, until you find a way to charge it again externally
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14:44.19DocScrutinizer05your jpeg clearly shows browserd for messaging is eating up lots of memory and swap, which probably is caused by a corrupted events-db
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14:48.49XATRIXYea
14:48.57XATRIXBut charging is working so far
14:49.08XATRIXMy battery is up and keep charging
14:49.52DocScrutinizer05according to your broken battery-applet in hildon-status-menu?
14:49.54XATRIXAlso, I'm pretty sure i can check with volts measuring device, it will show i have ~3.0 V batter filled up
14:50.14DocScrutinizer05wut?
14:50.18XATRIXAccording to my green light
14:50.46DocScrutinizer05with ~3.0Volt you're already doomed
14:50.53XATRIXO_O
14:51.06XATRIXIt's max possible voltage it 3.3
14:51.15XATRIX3.0 is a alsomost 90%
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14:51.16DocScrutinizer05eh?
14:51.21DocScrutinizer05uhuh
14:51.39XATRIXMy battery is not a brand new one. So it's can't be charged up to 100%
14:51.56DocScrutinizer05my N900 shuts down with depleted battery at 3248mV
14:52.11XATRIXErrr..
14:52.13DocScrutinizer05that's nonsense
14:52.46XATRIXI have original Nokia battery :)
14:52.52XATRIXAssembled somewhere not in China ^^
14:52.56DocScrutinizer05an old battery is losing some of its capacity, but it's not losing voltage
14:53.15DocScrutinizer05a full battery has ~4.2V
14:53.23DocScrutinizer05no matter how old
14:53.24XATRIXIf it's not charged up to max, it's loosing voltage aswell
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14:53.54DocScrutinizer05right, teach an EE about LiPo batteries
14:53.55XATRIXAre we talking about the standard one battery, shipped with N900
14:54.03XATRIXEE ?
14:54.14DocScrutinizer05~joerg
14:54.15infobotit has been said that joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer
14:54.54XATRIXHoly Crap O_O
14:55.30XATRIXi think it's not a good idea to argue :(
14:55.39DocScrutinizer05oops, BP-5J is a LiIon
14:56.02DocScrutinizer05which doesn't make any difference for all we discussed here
14:56.25DocScrutinizer05BL-5J even
14:56.35XATRIXSo, who does it stay so long there ?
14:56.46XATRIXAnd i swear i saw 3.3V on my battery face
14:56.54DocScrutinizer05your voltage figures are completely off
14:57.25DocScrutinizer05or it doesn't run as long from battery as you claim it does
14:58.00DocScrutinizer05with a battery with 3.300Volt a device can operate max one hour I'd guess, mildly used
14:58.51DocScrutinizer05on your WUT?
14:58.55DocScrutinizer05battery face?
14:59.01ccssnetlabel ^
14:59.16DocScrutinizer05it's 3.7V there
14:59.22DocScrutinizer05all LiIon are
14:59.24ccssnetmost likely
15:00.16GeneralAntillesWhat is this guy smoking? http://www.blackphoebe.com/msjen/2012/07/nokia-n950-how-to-op.html#comment-10637
15:01.22DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: LOL
15:01.27ccssnetya i dont beleive that ^
15:01.43DocScrutinizer05>>the voltage increase of 0.1V will cause significant physical damage to the phone<< DOOOOOOOM!!!
15:01.57DocScrutinizer05shock the monkey
15:02.06GeneralAntillesBizarre
15:02.43GeneralAntillesI bought a replacement BL-4D for my N950 a few weeks ago, never put in it and now I can't find it. :(
15:03.44XATRIXPot ?
15:04.31GeneralAntillesHow terrible do you think this battery will be? http://www.amazon.com/Onite-1550mAh-Li-ion-Battery-PureView/dp/B008WYGBI6/
15:05.13DocScrutinizer05unpredictable
15:05.54DocScrutinizer05might be everything incl a cheap BL-5J fake
15:06.45DocScrutinizer05hell, most likely it *is* a BL-5J 'compatible' cell
15:06.51XATRIXLow voltage also can harm the HW ?
15:06.58DocScrutinizer05no
15:07.24DocScrutinizer05no battery voltage can harm the hardware
15:07.45XATRIXO_o emm ? what do you mean ?
15:07.48DocScrutinizer05at least as long as the battery fits in mechanically
15:08.44DocScrutinizer05I mean 0V won't harm your hw, and 5V will make your battery explode but still not harm the hw
15:09.50XATRIXIs it possible at all to charge it to 5V ?
15:10.06DocScrutinizer05attaching your 12V car battery to N900 battery-bay contacts using some wires *might* damage the device
15:10.20DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: it will explode
15:10.24DocScrutinizer05literally
15:10.25Aoyagiand anyone standing nearby
15:10.34Aoyagidamage them, that is
15:10.50DocScrutinizer05you can't charge LiIon to 5V
15:11.33XATRIXHas it some charging restriction device ?
15:11.44XATRIXI mean the battery itself
15:12.09DocScrutinizer05some batteries have, but that's not the reason for it exploding when charged to 5V
15:12.55DocScrutinizer05luckily you simply can not do this (charge to 5V) in N900
15:13.17XATRIXSorry for my question, but is it a self-destruction mechanism, for overcharging or it's a chemical cells feature ?
15:13.31DocScrutinizer05chemistry
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15:15.21DocScrutinizer05LiIon batteries are a tad special in some respect
15:15.43XATRIXHmm
15:15.52DocScrutinizer05but for every battery there's a max voltage defined by chemistry, for usual LiIon that's ~4.4V
15:16.22XATRIXSo, there's no LiIon in the world that has >5V ?
15:16.57DocScrutinizer05not a single-cell LiIon with usual chemistry
15:17.35DocScrutinizer05there's e.g. LiMg chemistry that has ~2...3V max voltage
15:18.02XATRIXI fixed this crap :) http://hastebin.com/ladudocoda.avrasm
15:18.08DocScrutinizer05there are other material pairs with Li that might have higher voltages (though I doubt that)
15:21.07XATRIXMy bme is working now :)
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15:32.00Lava_Crofthttps://dl.dropbox.com/u/10974729/wp_ss_20121210_0002.png
15:32.01Lava_Croftoof
15:33.10SpeedEvilsandpaper?
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15:33.53SpeedEvilthe battery in the n900 is a protected one though
15:36.07GeneralAntillesWhat size torx are the N950 back screws?
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15:45.37DocScrutinizer05T4?
15:45.51DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: ^^
15:45.59GeneralAntillesOK
15:46.35DocScrutinizer05which screws? ;-P
15:46.45GeneralAntillesThe back battery cover screws.
15:46.56DocScrutinizer05no screws there
15:47.04GeneralAntillesOn the N950?
15:47.15DocScrutinizer05(just tried a t4 on the empty hles)
15:47.55DocScrutinizer05achipa instructed us to remove and bin the screws during unboxing
15:48.13DocScrutinizer05NFC where to I 'binned' mine
15:48.28DocScrutinizer05must've been Tx4 though
15:48.41DocScrutinizer05it's _not_ TX6
15:48.50GeneralAntillesInteresting.
15:48.52GeneralAntillesWhy bin the screws?
15:49.06merlin1991one time screws
15:49.08DocScrutinizer05seems they are not really needed
15:49.32merlin1991well the main reasoning behind removing them is, that it holds without them and suddenly you can change the battery
15:49.39DocScrutinizer05and of course what merlin1991 says :-D
15:50.01merlin1991at least that is what he told me when I saw him in vienna :D
15:50.24DocScrutinizer05yep, exactly
15:50.49GeneralAntillesAh
15:54.18DocScrutinizer05aahyes, I'm also missing my box - probably with the screws inside
15:55.06DocScrutinizer05and where's that sourcecode???? ;-P
15:55.21XATRIXOpenmoko ? :)
15:55.32DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: hmm?
15:55.51XATRIXIs it a HW paltform ?
15:55.57DocScrutinizer05yes
15:56.10XATRIXA good enough one /
15:56.11XATRIX?
15:56.20DocScrutinizer05umm, no
15:56.33XATRIXN900 != Openmoko ?
15:56.53DocScrutinizer05otherwise I'd use one or two of the ~15 Freerunner collecting dust here
15:57.05DocScrutinizer05N900=Nokia
15:57.13XATRIXYea, right
15:57.15RST38hand answer calls from emacs?
15:57.23DocScrutinizer05hehe, yeah
15:57.58XATRIXOk guys, thanks for advices, i'm going home... My brain is going down slowly :(
15:58.22DocScrutinizer05take the opportunity to do a full reflash
15:58.28merlin1991fsckd server
15:58.35DocScrutinizer05your system demands it
15:58.46merlin1991scp really needs some sort of continue mode
15:58.49XATRIXis going to fsck his brain...
15:59.17DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: which server?
15:59.25merlin1991mine
15:59.28XATRIXI wouldn't like to reflash it, cause i have ton of a software install on it
15:59.31DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: and use sftp!
15:59.47XATRIXIt will take forever to reinstall this all crap
15:59.50DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: that's exactly why you should reflash
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16:00.20DocScrutinizer05first instance you shouldn't have installed 90% of it I guess
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16:01.27DocScrutinizer05unlike apple store there are really broken apps installable from extras-devel
16:01.42DocScrutinizer05even from extras
16:04.13DocScrutinizer05while 'usual' apps are not completely bad since they 'only' do damage when you actually start them, some desktop widgets are running all the time and some of them are real crap
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16:06.14DocScrutinizer05and, as mentioned, it seems you got severe problems with rtcom-*-ui which might be caused by whoknowswhat and would already justify a full reflash
16:08.13XATRIXAs far as i see, it works quite fast enough
16:08.25XATRIXMaybe it's not a good idea to reflash it so far
16:08.30XATRIXI'll give it a try
16:08.36XATRIXOk..see you guys
16:08.40XATRIXWill be here soon
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16:25.49keriogoddammit what did you guys say to xatrix
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16:50.21DocScrutinizer51kerio: why? was it you who convincewd him to install thumb and bme-rplacement and whatnot else?
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16:54.48DocScrutinizer05kerio: oops, you're right, I misread that dim screenshot, it wasn't actually *all* swap that been eaten by rtcom-ui and freinds
16:58.48DocScrutinizer05It kinda looked to me like browserd and rtcom ate all swap
16:59.20DocScrutinizer05my screen been too dim to allow to read it correctly
17:01.55DocScrutinizer05kerio: well, nevertheless he said he did an apt-get upgrade against extras-devel, aiui
17:06.40DocScrutinizer05kerio: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-12-10.log.html#t2012-12-10T14:38:11
17:06.51DocScrutinizer05dist-upgrade
17:06.58DocScrutinizer05even
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17:07.38DocScrutinizer05I don't see any other reasonable recovery method than resoring BM backup or reflashing
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17:52.54kerioDocScrutinizer05: recovery for what? high ram usage? :s
17:56.44keriomaybe i missed his original explanation of his problem
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17:57.35kerioDocScrutinizer05: he did have the bme replacement though - i think i haven't told him to install it
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18:28.33XATRIXI wonder how N900 will handle the completely dead battery :)
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18:38.13XATRIX"The PHY chip detects a charger (shorted D+ and D- pins) and the charger uses this information to charge more rapidly. "
18:38.17XATRIXWTF ?
18:38.29XATRIXIs there a logical link control /
18:38.30XATRIX?
18:41.25XATRIXAlso i wonder how much current is going to the device while it charges from the AC charger
18:41.26XATRIX>1A ?
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18:49.28ShadowJKless than 950mA I'd say
18:49.46XATRIXIt' s gonna be charging from USB
18:50.12XATRIXIf it's AC charger, it's >1A
18:50.12XATRIX1020mA or more
18:51.12ShadowJKit sets charging current to 950mA (at max 4.2V), so input current at 5V should be at or around 950 too, depending on efficiency
18:51.17XATRIXBy the way it's kinda big current! I charge my 12V car's battery with +/- 0.4-0.7mA current
18:51.52XATRIXAnd it is 45Ah
18:51.53ShadowJKNo you don't :)
18:52.43ShadowJKCheap car battery chargers are usually 4A or more
18:53.24XATRIXNope.. .I have an old Soviet :)
18:53.54XATRIXIt has ampermeter up to 1A :) But it's possible to make more output
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18:54.18XATRIXBut it start to heat as hell.. So usually i do near half
18:54.21ShadowJKAt 0.7 mA current, it would take 7 years to charge a 45 Ah battery
18:55.18XATRIXDon't think so :)
18:55.23XATRIXWait a bit
18:55.30XATRIXI'll show you
18:56.06ShadowJK0.7A might be more plausible
18:56.14ShadowJKit'd take 2 days or so then
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19:01.11XATRIXthat's ma baby :)))
19:01.22XATRIXhttp://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5010/20121210004.jpg
19:01.44kerioXATRIX: epic
19:01.45kerio:D
19:02.08XATRIXUsually i do 0.4-0.7
19:02.14frediiiiiiiiIs Maemo still recommended to install on a N900?
19:02.19frediiiiiiiiOr is there a superior OS available?
19:02.27XATRIXAnd it takes about a few hours until it starts to boil a bit :)
19:02.28keriofrediiiiiiii: still the best thing ever
19:02.40XATRIXI get the voltage until it goes up to 15V
19:02.48XATRIXAnd switch it off :)
19:03.25freemangordonXATRIX: IIRC a charged lead battery voltage should be 13.8 V
19:03.26XATRIXIf you charge 12V 45Ah battery with 12-13V it will be charged to 75-80%
19:05.57frediiiiiiiiWhich CSSU is recommended?
19:06.00frediiiiiiiiStable or Testing?
19:06.08frediiiiiiiiI had stable for a while but it seemed dead.
19:06.10frediiiiiiiiRegarding updates.
19:06.28XATRIXThat's why i tried testing :)
19:06.39XATRIXAlso extras-testing/devel :)
19:11.29XATRIX"It also features reverse boost mode - which enables power to be supplied to a USB device connected to the N900. (up to a limit of 200 mA) "
19:11.34XATRIXA reverse boost mode O_o
19:12.11XATRIXIt will charge back the charger ? :) Or it gives N900 the possibility to power itself outside the battery use
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19:16.23keriofrediiiiiiii: stable has conservative updates
19:16.30kerioideally you wouldn't notice you're on cssu instead of stock
19:16.36keriotesting is a bit more relaxed
19:16.44frediiiiiiiiBut updates get pushed from testing to stable after a while.
19:16.46frediiiiiiiiRight?
19:16.53frediiiiiiiiLe Debian style?
19:16.54kerioXATRIX: "boost" mode is to power devices connected to the n900
19:16.56keriofrediiiiiiii: not necessarily
19:17.13keriocssu-stable is stable as in debian stable, though
19:17.13freemangordonfrediiiiiiii: "while" could be a very long period
19:17.30frediiiiiiiikerio, Debian freezes testing at one point to push it through as stable.
19:17.36freemangordonwhich reminds me...
19:17.40frediiiiiiiiI do not tihnk I have seen that happen to Maemo yet.
19:17.40kerioand it's still as old as dirt
19:17.44frediiiiiiiiBut it would be great if it could.
19:18.04frediiiiiiiiDoes anyone know if the Exchange HTTPS issue has been fixed yet?
19:18.07frediiiiiiiiOr the sync errors?
19:18.10frediiiiiiiiIn stable?
19:18.21freemangordonfrediiiiiiii: Exchange HTTPS issue?
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19:18.42freemangordonfrediiiiiiii: btw better ask your quesions re CSSU on #maemo-ssu
19:19.21XATRIXkerio, it will power my external HDD ?
19:19.37kerioXATRIX: it's probably too little
19:19.46keriousb flash drives are most likely OK
19:19.51freemangordonXATRIX: 200mA limit
19:20.03XATRIXYea,  it will not enough
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19:25.19XATRIXCrap, it's not enough even for my pocket torch :)
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19:33.18XATRIXFor example, an alarm application that after it has been told to beep after 12 hours, turns on the audio system immediately to make that beep,
19:33.48XATRIXSo, as long as i see, the audio system is always turned off ?
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19:52.07freemangordonrooster_rus: check in sdk repo
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19:52.29freemangordonbuild-essentials for example, not sure for the package name
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19:53.45rooster_rusld: ctrl0: No such file
19:53.56rooster_rus*crt1
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19:54.23freemangordonrooster_rus: are you trying to build something on the device?
19:54.34keriorooster_rus: make sure you have enough space
19:55.37rooster_rusfreemangordon: yep, scratchbox seems to be dead
19:56.05freemangordonrooster_rus: isn;t it mirrored?
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19:56.44freemangordonrooster_rus: you may have to install glibc-dev or something
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20:03.45rooster_rusfreemangordon: idk, i can't find any mirror
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20:04.42rooster_ruscan i make an image of my system and boot it qemu-armel?
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21:14.30kerioDocScrutinizer05: can you redirect-ban fruct to ##fix_your_connection ?
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21:19.55kerioJaffa: *poke*
21:19.57kerioX-Fade: *poke*
21:20.02kerioGeneralAntilles: *poke*
21:20.09GeneralAntillesYeah?
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21:21.38kerioGeneralAntilles: please /mode #maemo +b fruct!~Andrey@94.25.228.1$##fix_your_connection
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21:22.40kerioit worked
21:28.49jaskadoes the after-$ part mean something special in freenode?
21:30.45qwazixfreemangordon, detailed description of rawcam closing problem http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1303233#post1303233
21:31.04freemangordonqwazix: I did a little debugging
21:31.27freemangordonthis is from XOrg.log:
21:31.30freemangordonomap/video: couldn't allocate memory for video plane!
21:31.31freemangordonomap/put_image: failed to set up overlay: from (640, 480) to (565, 424) at (117, 0) on plane 0
21:32.29freemangordonqwazix: seems you(well rawcam or fcam drivers) are allocating some video memory, without releasing it
21:32.31qwazixSo it's probably the overlay not quitting correctly and not the cameraThread which I was trying to fix
21:32.53freemangordonyep, seems like overlay is not cleaned up
21:33.24freemangordonBTW xorg throws BadAlloc in syslog, which is the same as in .log file
21:34.00freemangordoncameri-ui sigaborts in gst_xvimagesink_xvimage_put, when trying to do XSync
21:34.27freemangordonI can provide a complete backtrace/coredump if you wish, though I don;t think it is really needed
21:34.49qwazixThe "failed to set up overlay" obviously happens when you launch camera ui?
21:34.50freemangordonqwazix: just make sure you clanup the overlay
21:35.03freemangordonqwazix: yep
21:35.15freemangordonwell, not exactly
21:35.26freemangordonit happens when you open the lens cover
21:35.41qwazixYes that probably explains why I didn't notice any difference while trying different things with the camerathread...
21:35.47freemangordonyou can launch camera-ui with closed lens cover and it does not crash
21:36.01freemangordonuntil you open the cover
21:36.06qwazixaha!
21:36.17qwazixthen it's definitely the overlay
21:36.26freemangordoni.e. until it tries to create the overlay
21:36.29freemangordonyes, for sure
21:36.47freemangordonqwazix: what do yo use to set it up?
21:36.50freemangordon*you
21:37.12keriojaska: redirect to channel, in ircd-seven
21:37.40freemangordonqwazix: BTW nice job
21:37.54qwazixEhm, some black magic copied from Fcamera
21:38.13qwazixThanks, code needs a bit of cleanup though
21:38.49freemangordonqwazix: do you need me to try to investigate further, or the info so far is enough?
21:39.52qwazixNo, I think I'm unstuck now, just a question, do you think destroying the overlayWidget before quitting will be enough?
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21:41.01freemangordonqwazix: hard to say, i have at least to look at the code to know who does what
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21:41.49freemangordonqwazix: which file is that? the one that sets-up the overlay?
21:41.59qwazixhttps://github.com/qwazix/rawcam/blob/features/OverlayWidget.cpp
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21:43.45freemangordonqwazix: who does munmap on mmap-ed memory?
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21:44.23qwazixI think that code is robust after all it works for fcamera, the ~ function probably has the required code, the question is what does it take for qt to call that function?
21:44.33qwazixI don't really know...
21:45.04qwazixBut why does it get unmapped when you close with the x button?
21:45.12qwazix(or swipe down in harmattan)
21:45.21freemangordonhmm. lemme see the code
21:45.22qwazixno segfault or camera-ui problems then
21:46.33qwazixfwiw I had a similar problem in harmattan, that rawcam messed with the video player, but calling disable() on the overlay before quitting fixed that.
21:46.51freemangordonqwazix: check the destructor
21:46.56freemangordonit does ::close(overlay_fd);
21:48.21freemangordonqwazix: BTW you can wait() on your thread until it exets
21:48.23freemangordon*exits
21:48.57freemangordonto be sure all the cleanup is done (for the thread specific stuff that is)
21:49.25freemangordonqwazix: where is the code that handles shuter colse event?
21:49.30freemangordon*close
21:49.41qwazixrawcam.cpp line 405
21:51.04qwazixYes I'm doing that on the cameraThread (wait)
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21:55.04freemangordonqwazix: well, I cannot grok the whole application by a simple 5 minutes look at the source :D, but still, it seems overlay is not closed properly.
21:55.13qwazixso that ::close(overlay_fd) thing does free up the mapped memory?
21:55.42freemangordonqwazix: in principle handles should be closed on process exit
21:55.58freemangordonnot sure about mmaped memory
21:55.59qwazixfreemangordon, ofc. No need to. Now that I have a way forward I think i'll find it.
21:56.27qwazixIf this goes well I'll promote to testing too
21:56.28freemangordonqwazix: just a second, i'll point you to another piece of code that use overlay
21:56.38qwazixperfect
21:56.40freemangordonyou can get the idea from it
21:57.17freemangordonqwazix: https://meego.gitorious.org/~freemangordon/maemo-multimedia/freemangordons-gst-omapfb/blobs/master/omapfb.c#line351
21:57.35freemangordonthis is how cleanup is done in gst-omapfb
21:57.51qwazixok, I'll check it out
21:58.03freemangordonand yes, there is munmap
21:58.13freemangordonalong with close()
21:58.40freemangordonqwazix: ok, waiting for a fixed version :P
21:59.26qwazixI'll try unmapping it, even if it works by only calling the destructor, as it seems a more complete approach
21:59.44freemangordon:nod:
21:59.48qwazixBTW it's real fun to code with fcam drivers.
22:00.18freemangordonif only the drivers were stable
22:00.47qwazixThey arent? Haven't experienced any problems...
22:01.22freemangordoncheck your dmesg log. Though it might depend on applications not abusing them
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22:01.55qwazix(And they haven't released the source for harmattan even though they say download the source somewhere in harmattan-dev)
22:02.27freemangordoni've seen some bad words spit in dmesg while trying to fix ABC incompatibility with 720p
22:02.54freemangordonthough those might be unrelated to fcam
22:03.05keriofreemangordon: btw, does unpacking a deb overwrite existing files?
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22:03.23freemangordonkerio: i think yes
22:03.34keriofruct1: fixed your connection?
22:03.49qwazixnothing in dmesg | grep cam for now, after a brief use of rawcam, but I suppose I need to stress-test it more
22:03.51freemangordonkerio: if you don;t root directory as parameter to dpkg
22:04.09freemangordon*don't change
22:04.13keriofreemangordon: alright, alright
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22:04.59keriofreemangordon: i just diverted the original files to /opt/720pbackup and then installed the actual packages
22:06.45keriofreemangordon: btw, can /lib/dsp be optified?
22:06.55kerioit's 15mb
22:08.30freemangordonqwazix: you are aware that slot is executed in the context of the calling thread?
22:08.53freemangordonI am not sure you are allowed to call QApplication::quit() outside of the main thread
22:09.14keriofreemangordon: dammit, dsp is started on starting dbus
22:09.17qwazixhm, no, I didn't know that
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22:09.35qwazixmaybe that's why I get the segfault
22:09.55freemangordonqwazix: unless you specify some special flags when doing connect(), lemme check
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22:11.25freemangordonqwazix: scratch that (connect() thing), the default  deals with multithreading issues
22:12.23qwazixI now see that fcamera does the same connect thing so it must be ok
22:12.31freemangordonqwazix: can't you just install debug symbols, attach gdb and get a backtrace when segfault happen?
22:14.05qwazixHaven't done that before but I suppose I can do that, however I think that if I clean the overlay correctly the segfault will go away too.
22:14.11keriofreemangordon: do you reckon dsp can be started later than the usual?
22:14.23freemangordonkerio: dsp?
22:14.28freemangordonwhat is that?
22:14.50kerioupstart thing that modprobes/rmmods bridgedriver
22:14.59keriowhich of course needs the baseimage
22:15.08kerioso you can't optify /lib/dsp
22:15.08freemangordonkerio: sure why not.
22:15.24keriofreemangordon: bootvideo, maybe
22:15.32freemangordon:nod:
22:16.31keriofreemangordon: apart from that, there should be no need for dsp before /opt is mounted, right?
22:16.42keriothere are no side effects on modprobing bridgedriver a bit later
22:16.45freemangordonqwazix: you'd rather fix that segfault, it could be the reason why things are not closed in a graceful way
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22:16.56freemangordonkerio: afaik no ill effect
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22:18.32qwazixfreemangordon, ok I'll look it up.
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22:47.49DocScrutinizer05kerio: redirect to channel only works if you're owner of the channel you redirect to, or sth like that
22:48.19kerionah, you can mark a channel to allow redirects
22:48.35kerioand overflow channels are marked for that
22:48.45kerio##fix_your_connection is "official"
22:49.04DocScrutinizer05ooh
22:49.23DocScrutinizer05thought you made it up
22:49.56kerioi never make things up
22:50.17DocScrutinizer05:-D
22:50.48keriook, that's not true, i made that up
22:51.11kerionot the channel, it's an actual channel
22:51.25DocScrutinizer05already checked it ;-)
22:51.29DocScrutinizer05now
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