| 00:00.00 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05: what do you make of this |
| 00:00.09 | MohammadAG | http://i.imgur.com/kEAwK.jpg |
| 00:00.35 | MohammadAG | The button behind it doesn't work and the digitizer doesnt work |
| 00:01.01 | ShadowJK | the fuck |
| 00:01.09 | Skry | ouch |
| 00:01.17 | SpeedEvil | looks melt |
| 00:01.28 | SpeedEvil | what is this? |
| 00:01.39 | ShadowJK | the way the traces are outlined, was this zapped with overcurrent and overvoltage? |
| 00:01.39 | MohammadAG | Was a perfectly good N8 |
| 00:01.57 | MohammadAG | Not unless the symbian kernel divided by 0 |
| 00:02.10 | SpeedEvil | water ingress? |
| 00:02.27 | MohammadAG | Water does that? |
| 00:03.29 | SpeedEvil | it may. |
| 00:03.58 | SpeedEvil | first you get a little current flowing through the damp board |
| 00:04.12 | MohammadAG | Hm, friend's careless, so that could've happened |
| 00:04.23 | ShadowJK | How does the other side of that look? |
| 00:04.28 | SpeedEvil | that electroplates bits of the tracks, till you get an internal short |
| 00:04.48 | MohammadAG | Its a non working button |
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| 00:05.38 | MohammadAG | Looks fried |
| 00:05.46 | MohammadAG | Weird enough, the LEDs work |
| 00:07.30 | ShadowJK | It looks... unlikely |
| 00:07.51 | ShadowJK | wonders if there are details hiding under the button on the other side |
| 00:09.13 | MohammadAG | http://i.imgur.com/lr1BZ.jpg |
| 00:09.32 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK: DocScrutinizer05, best shot |
| 00:13.57 | ShadowJK | still wtf :/ |
| 00:18.48 | jon_y | heh, RMS kicks Ubuntu |
| 00:19.33 | Hurrian | ohai MohammadAG |
| 00:20.16 | MohammadAG | Hey Hurrian |
| 00:20.39 | Hurrian | hmm, never seen water damage causing a short to /burn/ the board |
| 00:21.06 | Hurrian | but it looks like whatever component was there, is now toast. |
| 00:21.38 | MohammadAG | Might be cheaper to sell it as parts |
| 00:21.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | concur with ShadowJK |
| 00:21.49 | MohammadAG | The digitizer is 79 euros |
| 00:22.06 | MohammadAG | And there's a good chance its not that |
| 00:22.28 | Hurrian | you may want to check with another N8 if the digitizer still works |
| 00:22.39 | Hurrian | maybe it's a component on the board that fried |
| 00:22.54 | MohammadAG | No other N8s I can disassemble |
| 00:23.08 | Hurrian | well then, you're shooting in the dark. |
| 00:24.16 | Hurrian | you may want to check the back alley phone repair shops, they usually test each component that way |
| 00:24.32 | Hurrian | all you're getting at Nokia Care is a light swap ;) |
| 00:24.47 | MohammadAG | No nokia care here either :P |
| 00:24.58 | MohammadAG | A board swap would be costly right? |
| 00:25.34 | Hurrian | For a device as old as the N8? Definitely. |
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| 00:30.27 | ShadowJK | Is this button supposed to be illuminated? |
| 00:30.37 | ShadowJK | not that it makes any more sense if it is, but.. |
| 00:30.38 | ShadowJK | :/ |
| 00:30.42 | Hurrian | Too bad, a N8 would still be fine running the Belle ROM |
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| 00:31.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: if the series R is fsckd, it indeed would make some sense |
| 00:32.53 | ShadowJK | It looks on the reverse side pic like the maximum heating is across the button itself |
| 00:33.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 00:33.13 | ShadowJK | Though dunno, those lines from it |
| 00:33.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually such crap is caused by stained contacts |
| 00:33.36 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK: the button has two leds next to it that work fine |
| 00:34.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that button is master-on and really switches power from battery, I wouldn't rule out anything |
| 00:34.18 | ShadowJK | It kinda looks like a massive burst of energy from the button contacts |
| 00:34.22 | MohammadAG | Its the menu button |
| 00:34.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc then |
| 00:34.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe SpeedEvil is right with his water theroy |
| 00:35.06 | MohammadAG | Its actually the best theory |
| 00:35.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | how does it smell? |
| 00:35.31 | MohammadAG | The cover was slightly broken, if water got in it'd be stuck till removed |
| 00:35.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | does it smell like burt plastic? |
| 00:35.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | burnt |
| 00:35.54 | MohammadAG | Nothing special, pcb-y |
| 00:36.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | then it's water |
| 00:36.43 | ShadowJK | The water would've shorted stuff elsewhere, right... |
| 00:36.59 | ShadowJK | like the pull-up resistor for this button or something like that? |
| 00:37.00 | MohammadAG | Not if it only got in there |
| 00:37.17 | MohammadAG | But the LED working fine annoys me |
| 00:39.47 | SpeedEvil | the rear looked like it had soup residue on the plastics |
| 00:39.57 | MohammadAG | Soup? |
| 00:40.09 | MohammadAG | I find soap more believable |
| 00:40.31 | jon_y | dried soup |
| 00:40.54 | ShadowJK | looked like normal finger grease to me |
| 00:42.10 | MohammadAG | Oh wow, the picture looks better than the real thing |
| 00:42.37 | MohammadAG | Guess fixing this would be hard |
| 00:43.01 | MohammadAG | Might as well file the OTG cable to Micro B, the N8's dead anyway |
| 00:43.32 | SpeedEvil | :-\ |
| 00:44.57 | MohammadAG | Well, it boots up and works fine |
| 00:45.03 | MohammadAG | Except the button and digitizer |
| 00:45.20 | MohammadAG | What's the best way to file the port from micro A to B? |
| 00:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | closely inspecting the first photo I still think that's been a short |
| 00:46.32 | SpeedEvil | indeed, of some form |
| 00:46.56 | SpeedEvil | it could be internal, due to water, or a gross overload |
| 00:47.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | note that charger plug is nearby |
| 00:47.50 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 00:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | if something touched switch's metal body |
| 00:48.06 | SpeedEvil | lethal charger/. |
| 00:48.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, I declare this a fatal defect |
| 00:49.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not spend any cent or minute on trying to repair it |
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| 00:50.46 | SpeedEvil | yeah. in principle, with schematics and time, and ... |
| 00:50.50 | SpeedEvil | but... |
| 00:51.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks like vias got fused |
| 00:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | the change in color suggests it's been heat that caused that, not water |
| 00:52.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | the change from dark bluegreen to light yellowgreen |
| 00:53.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | also the dark pattern structures around the vias |
| 00:53.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | X shaped |
| 00:54.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the dark color around vias is visible even on component side |
| 00:55.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and goes completely thru the PCB material, at edge |
| 00:55.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's been heat |
| 00:55.25 | ShadowJK | I was going to suggest lightning strike |
| 00:55.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | quit epossible |
| 00:56.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see any water stains either - unless somebody wiped them away... |
| 00:57.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | if this was caused by water, you should see white salts |
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| 01:02.06 | MohammadAG | Hmm |
| 01:02.17 | MohammadAG | Both charging ports are close actually |
| 01:17.29 | SpeedEvil | I've seen heat damage from water |
| 01:17.40 | SpeedEvil | the PCB gets damp internally |
| 01:18.10 | SpeedEvil | you get dendrites and then more substantial conductors formed by electroplating |
| 01:18.23 | SpeedEvil | this can then heat/char |
| 01:18.47 | SpeedEvil | not saying that it's not surge damage though |
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| 01:35.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still wonder how nexus7 has changed the "maemo isn't portable" factoid |
| 01:35.41 | ShadowJK | indeed |
| 01:35.56 | ShadowJK | Like cordia portable? |
| 01:36.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | also what's wrong with nemo/mer + cordia(?) |
| 01:37.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | except it obviously not automatically includes a dialer and other core stuff |
| 01:38.11 | ShadowJK | dialer isn't relevant for n7 :-) |
| 01:39.35 | SpeedEvil | I have my landline on my n7 |
| 01:40.12 | SpeedEvil | also, there is a variant with 3g |
| 01:41.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think we need a better definition of the goals of such a project |
| 01:41.52 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:41.58 | ShadowJK | naaah |
| 01:42.02 | ShadowJK | just start hacking ;) |
| 01:42.13 | SpeedEvil | and where it differs from porting fish |
| 01:42.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, "hey it's got buntkuh running now, so now it's time to get maemo on it" is somewhat naive. This 'rationale' neglects that ubuntu is in no way sustantially more helpful to port maemo than e.g. any random android OS running on same platform was |
| 01:45.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | and actually what *means* "maemo on nexus7"? does it mean we got a HD windowmanager instead of gnome? is it about the UI? about sourcecode portability for apps? about binary compatibility even? |
| 01:46.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | one thing is pretty clear it seems: we won't see ovi maps running on nexus7-'maemo' |
| 01:46.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | just for an example |
| 01:47.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither the N900 version of angry birds |
| 01:48.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no way something like calendar, contacts, conversations... alas tracker will be 'easy' to port |
| 01:51.16 | SpeedEvil | Nokia 'here' maps has an a pi for maps. |
| 01:51.26 | SpeedEvil | it's ridiculous though |
| 01:51.54 | SpeedEvil | more than 2500 uses per month, and you need to pay $1500/no |
| 01:55.04 | ShadowJK | no? |
| 01:55.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | mo |
| 01:55.12 | ShadowJK | /no? |
| 01:55.44 | ShadowJK | what's "uses" |
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| 02:02.32 | SpeedEvil | month |
| 02:02.51 | SpeedEvil | uses is not closely defined - it seemed to be a pi calls |
| 02:02.54 | SpeedEvil | api |
| 02:03.06 | SpeedEvil | API |
| 02:03.23 | SpeedEvil | per app, not user |
| 02:03.41 | SpeedEvil | and that 1500 only covers you for 100k uses |
| 02:03.57 | SpeedEvil | so basically over a cent per use |
| 02:04.31 | SpeedEvil | if each user scrolls a few times and clicks a couple of things |
| 02:05.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | what will happen if the limit is reached? |
| 02:05.32 | SpeedEvil | app stops working presumably |
| 02:05.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | will they send the russian guys to get their money? |
| 02:05.42 | SpeedEvil | maybe with some grace period |
| 02:06.01 | SpeedEvil | each app needs a key |
| 02:06.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | how does key endorsement work? |
| 02:07.12 | SpeedEvil | not gone into it in detail |
| 02:07.29 | SpeedEvil | I assume you apply, specify the class of key, ... |
| 02:07.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it's via some interface, each user can apply for his own key |
| 02:07.58 | SpeedEvil | the terms I read prohibited that |
| 02:08.15 | SpeedEvil | but possibly not each user forking a GPL app :-) |
| 02:08.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | prohibited what? |
| 02:08.56 | SpeedEvil | using multiple keys per app |
| 02:09.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, then the user needs to rename the app |
| 02:11.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly I'm pretty much not interested in the whole stuff too much |
| 02:11.55 | SpeedEvil | indeed, I just happened to wonder, and check it out earlier, to see if it was usable. |
| 02:12.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia wants to monetize their teleatlas stuff. Fine. Not with me though |
| 02:12.06 | SpeedEvil | the android app basically sucks. |
| 02:12.31 | SpeedEvil | I'm fine with paying for good maps, to a degree. |
| 02:13.02 | Aoyagi | I hear TomTom should come to Android |
| 02:13.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are several available already |
| 02:13.39 | SpeedEvil | but putting the limit at where a map app with 100 active users needs to buy a 1500/month licence is a bit extreme. |
| 02:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly charging the app creator rather than the end user... :-/ |
| 02:14.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | nokia obviously doesn't get his micropayment stuff sorted |
| 02:16.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and nokia evidently is interested in FOSS less than ever |
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| 06:19.41 | kwtm5 | Met someone who worked at Nokia, the other day. I asked him if the N900 had any future at Nokia. |
| 06:20.37 | kwtm5 | He said there was something even better than the N900 now, and that was the N920. Then he tried to sell me on how WinPhone8 was better, and how he actually owned a N800 and N900 and hated them, and how he likes the N920 better than his Android phone that he'd been using. |
| 06:21.20 | kwtm5 | I guess each to his/her own. |
| 06:59.01 | jrayhawk | are you sure he didn't work in marketing |
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| 07:12.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | N920? |
| 07:12.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | wasn't that maybe Lumia 920? |
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| 10:31.10 | joga | my friend once showed me lumia 800 (I think? or 800-something) enthusiastically but in about 30 seconds into his speech it was obvious it was just a toy |
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| 10:35.28 | tadzik | breaking news: smartphones are (mostly) toys :) |
| 10:35.44 | RST38h | Lumia 800 is a 1:1 scale model of a smartphone |
| 10:36.05 | RST38h | It is purely decorational and has no moving parts, so to say |
| 10:36.28 | tadzik | what defines a smartphone anyway? It's like a regular phone, but has installable apps? |
| 10:36.56 | RST38h | It is a phone for which you can develop and install apps |
| 10:37.25 | RST38h | A phone that just has apps but does not let you develop and install third party ones is known as a feature phone |
| 10:37.33 | tadzik | well, you could do that for the old nokias with Java capabilities too |
| 10:37.55 | RST38h | WP7-based phones are basically feature phones because developing apps for them is made very very difficult |
| 10:38.08 | tadzik | wikipedia says "A smartphone is a mobile phone built on a mobile operating system, with more advanced computing capability and connectivity than a feature phone" |
| 10:38.10 | RST38h | MIDP you mean? |
| 10:38.25 | RST38h | Wikipedia is vague and there is a good reason |
| 10:38.54 | tadzik | I have a feeling this definitions are mostly fluid, and for a reason |
| 10:38.56 | RST38h | People have many different definitions of a smart phone, and Wiki used a vague definition that would satisfy everyone |
| 10:39.05 | tadzik | all the -phone prefixes are mostly marketing BS |
| 10:39.14 | tadzik | see also: ultrabook |
| 10:39.27 | RST38h | But if you go with the most concrete definition that still staisfies most people, see my definition above |
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| 10:39.42 | RST38h | Ultrabook is a marketing term, not a device class |
| 10:40.44 | tadzik | that's my point. You see people claiming that Lumia's not a smartphone, I can't help but wonder if they're just hardcore maemo fans which hate everything nokia comes up with |
| 10:40.52 | tadzik | no offense for anyone |
| 10:41.02 | RST38h | Well, let us look at the facts |
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| 10:41.22 | RST38h | Lumia does not let you use its disk as file storage |
| 10:41.26 | tadzik | to get the most similar device as a comparison, how is it worse than an iPhone? |
| 10:41.32 | RST38h | Lumia does not let you run native code |
| 10:41.56 | tadzik | (ok, I'm listening) |
| 10:42.22 | RST38h | Lumia only lets you run specially written C# code and only if MSapproves your app andyou pay $99 a year to be in their store |
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| 10:42.43 | RST38h | Lumia has no real video player app. It has no web browser other than IE. |
| 10:42.59 | RST38h | The game selection is very limited (see above about native code and C#) |
| 10:43.26 | RST38h | So, tell are you still willing to call it a smart phone? |
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| 10:44.15 | tadzik | so what you really mean is that the platform is possibly more closed than the Apple thing, which is a valid point |
| 10:44.28 | joga | also I think lumia doesn't allow for background network connectivity, but Ḯ'm not sure if that's still a problem with the recent models |
| 10:44.30 | tadzik | I guess I can understand that |
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| 10:49.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | (smartphone) an invention of marketing droids to sell their newest embedded stuff |
| 10:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I for one don't give a flying F* about what marketing department tags my dream device, I got a list of capabilities and properties such dream device has to meet, and then it's "just smart enough for me" |
| 10:52.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | funny example to make it more clear: a friend of mine looked at my N900, frowned, and asked me if I wouldn't finally want to get a smartphone instead |
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| 10:53.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | he's been a real computer illiterate, even with windoze, so it's not been geek sarcasm |
| 10:53.36 | jaska | heh |
| 10:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously his definition of smartphone didn't meet what the N900 exposed to him |
| 10:59.34 | joga | I was recently asked to give my opinion in a survey of qwerty smartphones for a magazine, I tried to explain why I wouldn't have any use for an iphone or such and am still waiting for something that would challenge the n900 |
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| 11:10.24 | tadzik | as in "being real, open linux thing?" |
| 11:10.36 | tadzik | that would be nice |
| 11:17.50 | joga | tadzik yeah, and with a keyboard |
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| 11:18.42 | tadzik | oh, that's an implementation detail :) |
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| 11:42.59 | Lava_Croft | n900 is hardly 'real' linux or 'open' linux |
| 11:43.02 | Lava_Croft | but awesome nontheless |
| 11:43.34 | tadzik | well, it's closer than anything else I guess |
| 11:43.41 | Lava_Croft | true |
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| 11:50.11 | amospalla | maybe gnu/linux like is what you mean? |
| 11:50.36 | amospalla | with gnu like binaries, X display ... |
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| 11:51.37 | Lava_Croft | i mean more like how the n900 is ridden with closed packages |
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| 12:05.06 | MohammadAG | another laptop battery bites the dust |
| 12:11.16 | ShadowJK | disassembled a 8 cell laptop battery last week and found 2 good cells and 2 completely dead cells |
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| 13:44.11 | jonwil | wishes there was something he could do for N900 :( |
| 13:44.35 | Aoyagi | Is it dying or you wish you had one? |
| 13:45.18 | jonwil | I mean I wish there was something I could do code wise to benefit the N900 community |
| 13:45.23 | jonwil | but all the ideas I have turn out to be too hard |
| 13:45.36 | jonwil | My N900 is working just fine :) |
| 13:45.58 | Aoyagi | Oh, I haven't thought of that :D |
| 13:48.09 | jonwil | finding something useful to do is hard |
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| 14:07.30 | Pali | jonwil, you can test rewritten battery status menu applet if anything working without problem |
| 14:07.57 | Pali | this is easy, just install and look if it working... |
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| 14:14.37 | Devilinside | does h-e-n allows us to use keyboard? and is that usable with easy debian? |
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| 14:33.59 | ShadowJK | i think there are some keyboard layout issues, but yes |
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| 14:42.53 | markinfo | how it works in maemo that my position upon network or GPS data was written in IM status? e.g. in Skype. I am looking for something like this on Android - but can not find anything. |
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| 14:54.56 | Devilinside | hey!! is it possibl to use n8 otg cable for hen? |
| 14:55.56 | Sicelo | yes, if you file the edges |
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| 14:57.25 | Devilinside | and is it possibl to use keyboard with it on easy debian????!! |
| 14:58.05 | Sicelo | iirc, yes. at least keyboard works in maemo.. so it should work in easy deb too |
| 14:59.51 | Devilinside | thank you :) and do all the keys work including symbol?? |
| 15:03.47 | Sicelo | yes. use the easy debian thread on tmo |
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| 16:24.27 | markinfo | what to do with my old nokia n900? Has it some value still? |
| 16:24.34 | kerio | markinfo: idk, use it |
| 16:24.55 | ccssnet | markinfo: you selling it? if so how much? |
| 16:25.04 | markinfo | it is to slow. And display too small. |
| 16:25.27 | kerio | well clearly the second problem is not fixable |
| 16:25.32 | ccssnet | how much ram it have? |
| 16:25.33 | kerio | so sell it |
| 16:26.01 | markinfo | i have bought it 2 years ago for 170 |
| 16:26.09 | kerio | ccssnet: 256mb |
| 16:26.15 | kerio | and yes, that's the bottleneck |
| 16:26.27 | kerio | markinfo: what's its condition? |
| 16:26.28 | ccssnet | yea nevermind |
| 16:26.39 | ccssnet | my cheap 60$ tablet has 512mb... |
| 16:26.54 | kerio | your cheap 60$ tablet doesn't have apt-get |
| 16:27.02 | ccssnet | eh. it can |
| 16:27.02 | Sicelo | lol |
| 16:27.16 | ccssnet | besides id rather compile myself |
| 16:27.29 | markinfo | otherwise - after one week to working with android - maemo was better. |
| 16:27.57 | kerio | markinfo: have you tried cssu-thumb, btw? |
| 16:28.52 | markinfo | kerio, you mean that one? http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU i managed to save now all data - i can try to flash CSSU |
| 16:29.03 | kerio | markinfo: no, i meant cssu-thumb |
| 16:29.17 | kerio | the CSSU spinoff that recompiles some things with a smaller instruction set and with a better compiler |
| 16:29.19 | ccssnet | csi-ny |
| 16:29.30 | ccssnet | csi spinoff |
| 16:29.34 | ccssnet | runs off |
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| 17:53.24 | XATRIX | HI guys ,how can i check in terminal (possibly with minicom) the state of my GPS device ? |
| 17:53.39 | XATRIX | I see bilink satlink icon while i start GPS software |
| 17:53.53 | XATRIX | But it still blinking without any data received |
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| 17:57.16 | ShadowJK | The Maps app treats gps bad |
| 17:57.26 | ShadowJK | have gpsjinni running too |
| 17:57.30 | ShadowJK | or location-test-ui |
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| 18:32.44 | XATRIX | Maybe i do something wrong , but i only have statistic numbers scrolling on the sceen |
| 18:32.46 | XATRIX | *screen |
| 18:33.04 | XATRIX | Also, satillites in view: 5, in use: 0 |
| 18:33.22 | XATRIX | Also i receive Mobile Country Code GSM: 255 |
| 18:33.36 | XATRIX | Anything i can check more ? |
| 18:34.53 | ShadowJK | strongest signal of those sats? |
| 18:35.10 | XATRIX | Where can i check it ? |
| 18:35.24 | ShadowJK | "Sats" in location-test-ui |
| 18:35.39 | ShadowJK | "log win" and it stops scrolling the numbers |
| 18:35.52 | XATRIX | Satellites: 0/5 |
| 18:36.47 | XATRIX | What does mean log win ? i don't see anything related |
| 18:37.45 | ShadowJK | What software are you using? |
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| 18:38.46 | XATRIX | Location test |
| 18:39.57 | ShadowJK | so it has buttons Method, Interval / Start, Stop, Map, Sats / textbox with data, clear win, log win, log file |
| 18:40.09 | ShadowJK | Sats shows signals |
| 18:41.21 | XATRIX | I only have Method: User Selected , Interval: Default, Start, Stop, Map |
| 18:42.00 | ShadowJK | Weird |
| 18:43.09 | XATRIX | Maybe i can connect to in via minicom serial port ? |
| 18:44.27 | ShadowJK | that's not going to help |
| 18:44.41 | ShadowJK | gpsrecord also shows satellite signal strength |
| 18:44.44 | Sicelo | you can't change Method? |
| 18:45.55 | XATRIX | I can |
| 18:46.00 | XATRIX | I choose AGPS for now |
| 18:46.10 | XATRIX | AGNSS actually |
| 18:46.25 | XATRIX | If i start it in room, it shows me some data |
| 18:46.34 | XATRIX | But it doesn't change/rotate it |
| 18:47.10 | XATRIX | When i go to outside, i can see it freqently changes, but it still Sats in view: 3...8 and in use:0 |
| 18:47.27 | XATRIX | Maybe it has to be online for a 15min for the first time ? |
| 18:47.27 | ShadowJK | You probably wont get gps signal indoors, except if you are near a window, and can see the sky from the window, and that part of sky has gps satellites in it |
| 18:47.46 | XATRIX | Yes, i know how to use GPS, and it's basics |
| 18:48.21 | ShadowJK | gpsrecord and gpsjinni would show signal strengths, I dont know why your location-test-ui does not |
| 18:48.28 | XATRIX | I test the dynamic during inside, and outside |
| 18:48.46 | XATRIX | I have no idea, will leave it for 15 min onlince over the window |
| 18:48.57 | Sicelo | yes, gps can take a long time on any device |
| 18:49.02 | XATRIX | If it's not get connected , will try jpsjinni |
| 18:51.12 | kerio | XATRIX: do you have a network connection at the moment? |
| 18:51.16 | ShadowJK | this is what location test looks like to me: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/locationtest.png |
| 18:51.36 | ShadowJK | Sats button shows signal strength |
| 18:51.51 | kerio | i prefer gpsrecorder, it syncs the clock to the gps time too |
| 18:52.31 | ShadowJK | Nicest thing about location-test-ui is that it does what you tell it |
| 18:52.41 | kerio | ShadowJK: where's location-test-ui, btw? |
| 18:52.46 | kerio | apt-cache can't find it |
| 18:52.48 | ShadowJK | probably tools repo |
| 18:52.53 | kerio | i have that |
| 18:53.09 | kerio | oh, location-test-gui |
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| 18:55.39 | XATRIX | Crap, i have the interface but without right checkboxes |
| 18:55.44 | XATRIX | Just a plain log windows |
| 18:55.47 | XATRIX | *window |
| 18:56.23 | ShadowJK | gpsrecord shows signal too |
| 18:56.26 | ShadowJK | you can run both |
| 18:56.29 | XATRIX | Also, what addr are you using for AGPS server ? |
| 18:56.36 | kerio | XATRIX: supl.google.com |
| 18:56.40 | ShadowJK | I just want to know if you're getting any signal at all |
| 18:56.46 | XATRIX | Yea,i heard about this one |
| 18:56.52 | XATRIX | i have currently supl.nokia.com |
| 18:57.22 | XATRIX | Shadown, in abotu 10 minutes, if it won't lock, i will install gpsrecord |
| 18:57.54 | XATRIX | Oop,s ShadowJK :) |
| 19:00.14 | kerio | supl.nokia.com is bad |
| 19:01.35 | XATRIX | Sure it is :) |
| 19:07.25 | XATRIX | Also, can i install mozilla firefox on N900 ? |
| 19:08.19 | NIN102 | fennec... whether it's useable is a different question. |
| 19:08.31 | kerio | XATRIX: there's firefox fennec, but it's only barely usable if you install cssu thumb |
| 19:09.09 | XATRIX | But as long as i know, fennec isn't exactly firefox |
| 19:14.18 | NIN102 | well, everything else (e. g. iceweasel in combination) with debian seems to be more pain than gain in the end. Basically it most likely is endless sluggish and no fun to use... |
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| 19:32.07 | XATRIX | Alright, seems like the GPS is working for me now |
| 19:32.46 | XATRIX | Looks like it was a problem of outdated journal |
| 19:33.32 | HRH_H_Crab | hi, ive managed to totally trash the emmc on my n900. ive tried flashing using flasher 3.12 on snow leopard but i am having no luck whatsoever. |
| 19:33.48 | HRH_H_Crab | can anyone offer any tips? |
| 19:37.38 | XATRIX | Also i found a strange sit |
| 19:37.43 | XATRIX | I have disable TV out |
| 19:38.09 | XATRIX | But as long as i connect my device via 3 wired TV cable, i still see picture of my desktop and can work with |
| 19:47.11 | Sicelo | XATRIX: where did you disable it? |
| 19:48.55 | Sicelo | HRH_H_Crab: mac has flasher 3.12? afaik we use flasher-3.5 with the N900. did you follow the steps given on the wiki? iirc if you have to flash emmc, you will also have to flash rootfs, or sth. like that |
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| 19:51.11 | Sicelo | btw, what is wrong with your emmc? |
| 19:51.13 | XATRIX | Sicelo: Main menu - >System - >Settings - >TV out |
| 19:51.17 | kerio | HRH_H_Crab: you need flasher-3.5 |
| 19:51.33 | kerio | XATRIX: the tv out applet is somewhat faulty |
| 19:51.34 | Sicelo | XATRIX: i don't have a disable there. |
| 19:51.38 | kerio | XATRIX: enable it and disable it |
| 19:51.40 | kerio | Sicelo: a cssu thing |
| 19:51.51 | XATRIX | :) still have video :) |
| 19:51.51 | kerio | Sicelo: flasher-3.12 is for the n9 |
| 19:51.55 | Sicelo | heh, i'm on ccsu |
| 19:51.59 | kerio | XATRIX: weird |
| 19:52.02 | Sicelo | stable |
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| 20:09.23 | RzR | hi |
| 20:09.31 | RzR | ihttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1302591#post1302591 |
| 20:09.42 | RzR | lumia 800 vs n900 ? |
| 20:09.44 | kerio | your url upsets me :c |
| 20:10.00 | RzR | ok sorry |
| 20:10.08 | RzR | then i will shut up |
| 20:10.19 | kerio | aww, don't be like that :( |
| 20:10.28 | kerio | it's almost perfect! |
| 20:10.35 | RzR | :) |
| 20:10.41 | kerio | except for the fact that it's spam |
| 20:10.50 | kerio | and that you're better off selling the lumia on ebay and buying two n900s |
| 20:11.34 | RzR | asked today how the pawnshop will take it |
| 20:11.38 | RzR | 100/200eur |
| 20:11.48 | kerio | that's why i said sell on ebay :) |
| 20:11.52 | RzR | that's the price of used n900 |
| 20:12.55 | RzR | found one currently on sale on ebay |
| 20:13.05 | RzR | http://cgi.ebay.fr/Nokia-Lumia-800-Neuf-Garanti-/140893172025?pt=FR_T%C3%A9l%C3%A9phones_mobiles&hash=item20cde33139#ht_500wt_1290 |
| 20:13.14 | RzR | 175 eur now |
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| 20:33.06 | XATRIX | Also how can i check my proximity sensor |
| 20:33.08 | XATRIX | ? |
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| 22:06.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/home/user# find /sys -name '*prox*' |
| 22:07.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/home/user# cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state |
| 22:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | open |
| 22:08.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: ^^^ |
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| 22:29.30 | XATRIX | ) |
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| 23:01.01 | XATRIX | Yea, the proximity sensor works as a charm |
| 23:01.08 | XATRIX | But what is it for ? |
| 23:01.51 | wmarone | in the N900? |
| 23:02.17 | nox- | isnt it for the phone app to know when you have it to your ear? |
| 23:02.26 | wmarone | that's one use |
| 23:02.41 | XATRIX | And how can i check it does what it should ? |
| 23:03.04 | XATRIX | I tried to place a finger on it, and tap some buttons on the scree. It still functional |
| 23:06.25 | fizzie | The phone app will blank the screen when the proximity sensor fires (at least it always does for me), so if there are buttons still visible, it's probably not detecting anything. |
| 23:08.39 | fizzie | (Blocking it with a finger also works for me, at least as seen by a "while sleep 1; do cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state; done" loop.) |
| 23:14.10 | ShadowJK | It's only used when you get a call or are on a call |
| 23:14.21 | ShadowJK | Some apps use it as an extra button |
| 23:29.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | it blanks screen when dialer on top |
| 23:30.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually, when call established |
| 23:30.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | only when not in pseakerphone mode |
| 23:30.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | speaker* |
| 23:30.52 | Corsac | and is the silencing of ringing done using proximity sensor or using accelerometer? |
| 23:31.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | accel |
| 23:31.10 | ShadowJK | I didn't know there was silencing of ringing |
| 23:31.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | face-down |
| 23:31.31 | Corsac | ShadowJK: just return your phone when it rings :) |
| 23:31.37 | Corsac | it's pretty useful actually |
| 23:32.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | in Samsung Omnia this same system caused dropouts in mp3 playback when phone in pocket while walking :-/ |
| 23:33.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | silly bug |
| 23:33.20 | nox- | haha |
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| 23:36.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | (ringing) I however would hope that during ringing it also locks screen as long as proxim sensor closed - so you can't accidentally accept/reject a call while phone still in pocket |
| 23:36.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | never tested it, but since that never happened to me, I'd guess it already does |
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| 23:37.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 23:38.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | tested it now, exactly as it's supposed to work |
| 23:39.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | no surprise since it's the very same dialer screen you see also during call-established |
| 23:39.20 | ShadowJK | I wish it could tell difference between phone in pocket, and stupid user like me holding the phone so that the prox sensor is covered :s |
| 23:40.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, can't you check where's your fingers when phone starts ringing? |
| 23:40.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | just like I did, a minute ago |
| 23:41.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, you'll start to wonder what's up when it starts ringing but screen stays locked |
| 23:42.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm way more annoyed by me stupidly covering the ALS |
| 23:43.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and tbh I consider poll interval of ALS of ~10s a bug anyway, since during screen backlight on you don't worry too much about those uAs used up by polling it way more frequently |
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| 23:44.38 | Corsac | ALS? |
| 23:45.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also ponder to cover ALS with a white paper, to reduce directional sensitivity |
| 23:45.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Ambient Light Sensor |
| 23:45.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | not the disease of same name |
