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| 01:33.50 | rooster_rus | Hello. |
| 01:36.55 | rooster_rus | Scratchbox seems dead. What should I use to build some software? |
| 01:49.06 | rooster_rus | Also. By any chance can I use Debian lenny repos in maemo? |
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| 07:03.17 | kerio | rooster_rus: individual packages **maybe** |
| 07:03.24 | kerio | the repo... hell no |
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| 09:45.50 | fastlane` | pokes infobot |
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| 11:52.26 | MohammadAG | bah |
| 11:52.30 | MohammadAG | corrupted git repo |
| 11:53.55 | MohammadAG | error: object file .git/objects/88/3bb9ba537dbc51be31865f23b6070d7b076a41 is empty |
| 11:53.55 | MohammadAG | fatal: loose object 883bb9ba537dbc51be31865f23b6070d7b076a41 (stored in .git/objects/88/3bb9ba537dbc51be31865f23b6070d7b076a41) is corrupt |
| 11:53.58 | MohammadAG | any tips? |
| 11:54.03 | MohammadAG | besides starting over |
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| 11:54.22 | tadzik | git fsck? |
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| 13:05.41 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, re-pong, by the way. |
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| 15:10.26 | BioALIEN | I have android GB installed and KP 51 on my N900 phone. I want to remove Multiboot and replace it with U-Boot using pali's great work. Has anybody successfully attempted this? |
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| 15:59.44 | Aoyagi | This place is too quiet. |
| 15:59.50 | Aoyagi | http://youtu.be/kJLDl2uDNaA |
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| 16:11.47 | BioALIEN | http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/its-turkeygeddon-christmas-roast-uses-14-different-birds-8371332.html |
| 16:12.22 | BioALIEN | reminds me of the hackability of the N900! haha |
| 16:12.54 | Aoyagi | Eating peacock? D: |
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| 16:28.48 | SpeedEvil | stick it in an emu in an ostritch |
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| 17:30.06 | kerio | BioALIEN: android gb? |
| 17:30.22 | kerio | also uninstall multiboot immediately, it's an absolute piece of crap |
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| 17:45.04 | vi_ | applying for jobs is such bullshit. |
| 17:45.25 | vi_ | I have to write all this BS nonsense for HR. |
| 17:45.26 | tadzik | a bit |
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| 17:46.45 | vi_ | 'I am a dynamic engineer with a passion for renewable energies, being a multiskilled fucknut I have a passionate drive for teamwork on multidynamic international spheres of influence.' |
| 17:46.58 | vi_ | Do they want an engineer or a fucking poet? |
| 17:49.14 | tadzik | my guess is that they don't give a shit unless you clearly can't express yourself in english |
| 17:49.28 | tadzik | I may be wrong though, I only once applied for any job :) |
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| 17:53.27 | vi_ | kerio, Playing nethack, projecting 80x24 on a 3 meter screen. #YOLO |
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| 18:01.30 | kerio | vi_: neat :D |
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| 18:08.01 | vi_ | and now I died. |
| 18:08.13 | tadzik | #YOLT |
| 18:08.51 | vi_ | Killed by an invisible assailant after quaffing an unidentified potion of blindness. |
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| 18:19.54 | kerio | tadzik: that's only if you've got an amulet of lifesaving |
| 18:20.14 | kerio | vi_: never ever ever ever wear, read, quaff, zap anything unidentified |
| 18:20.23 | kerio | or wield |
| 18:20.24 | kerio | or apply |
| 18:20.52 | tadzik | I never got around to learn to play nethack. It's worse than vim! :) |
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| 18:21.19 | kerio | tadzik: the movement keys are kinda the same though |
| 18:21.21 | kerio | :D |
| 18:21.29 | tadzik | hehe, sort of :P |
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| 18:21.36 | tadzik | except there are... 10 in nethack? |
| 18:21.41 | tadzik | 8 sides + up/down |
| 18:21.52 | tadzik | s/sides/directions/ |
| 18:21.58 | kerio | . is also sometimes a direction |
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| 18:32.17 | vi_ | <tadzik> I never got around to learn to play nethack. It's worse than vim! :) |
| 18:32.25 | vi_ | You take that back! You monster! |
| 18:34.27 | vi_ | kerio, if you are backed into a corner and totally fucked, then there is nothing else to do but start quaffing and zapping unidentified stuff. |
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| 18:40.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: I agree, vim is unrivaled master of evil, regarding obfuscated command key shortcuts |
| 18:40.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: how can you deny that?? |
| 18:40.49 | Lava_Croft | http://www.theonion.com/video/apple-promises-to-fix-glitches-in-map-software-by,30616/ |
| 18:42.52 | kerio | vi_: huh... Elbereth |
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| 18:45.11 | vi_ | Elbereth is a CHEAT! |
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| 18:47.03 | SpeedEvil | it's a conduct |
| 18:47.11 | SpeedEvil | like not pudding farming. |
| 18:47.25 | SpeedEvil | or shoplifting |
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| 18:51.18 | vi_ | wait |
| 18:51.19 | vi_ | wut |
| 18:51.23 | vi_ | pudding farming? |
| 18:51.26 | vi_ | wtf is that? |
| 18:51.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 18:51.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | you beat me to it |
| 18:53.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | though it seems I don't even get what's a conduct in this context |
| 18:53.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, wtf is Elbereth? |
| 18:53.47 | kerio | SpeedEvil: it's not a conduct, it's not tracked by vanilla nethack |
| 18:54.01 | kerio | pudding farming is also not tracked, except in... nethack4? |
| 18:54.06 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 18:54.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 18:54.21 | kerio | shoplifting is tracked in the livelog, where supported, but it's still not quite accessible |
| 18:54.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: in nethack you can write stuff on the ground - writing Elbereth makes monsters that aren't represented by an "@" flee from you |
| 18:54.56 | tadzik | DocScrutinizer05: I demand a lawyer! |
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| 18:55.05 | tadzik | surely there's a nethack keybinding which does that |
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| 18:55.15 | kerio | tadzik: just paste "E-y Elbereth" and a newline |
| 18:55.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 18:55.17 | tadzik | like in emacs |
| 18:55.33 | kerio | tadzik: acehack has ".", unnethack and nethack4 have ^e |
| 18:55.51 | vi_ | like I said, a noob cheat. |
| 18:56.19 | kerio | vi_: go ahead and keep playing the first five dungeon levels over and over again then |
| 18:56.49 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: pudding farming is the (ab)use of the property of black puddings and brown puddings (they're monsters in nethack) of splitting when hit by a metallic object |
| 18:57.05 | kerio | get a metallic weapon that does very little damage, keep splitting them |
| 18:57.16 | kerio | their hp is halved, but their maxhp stays the same, so eventually they heal |
| 18:57.25 | kerio | and you can keep killing them for experience and drops |
| 18:57.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 18:58.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty clear that there's no storage reserved for stuff like that in my wetware |
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| 18:58.49 | XATRIX | Hi guys , can you advice me a bit ? http://hastebin.com/bonapukefa.avrasm |
| 18:58.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | nethack == game I'm not interested in |
| 18:59.04 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: and sadly, you'll probably remember this, because it's sufficiently strange |
| 18:59.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: remember what? |
| 18:59.24 | kerio | XATRIX: it's a harmless warning message, you can ignore it |
| 18:59.33 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: pudding far-oh, i see what you did there |
| 18:59.44 | XATRIX | kerio, maybe it's a good pactice to fix it up ? |
| 18:59.50 | kerio | it's a nokia problem |
| 18:59.58 | XATRIX | Hm |
| 18:59.59 | kerio | you *must* ignore it |
| 19:00.12 | tadzik | it's just fair. Nokia ignores you, you ignore Nokia :) |
| 19:02.47 | XATRIX | :) |
| 19:02.55 | XATRIX | Why does it ? |
| 19:03.28 | tadzik | ignore maemo? It doesn't pay up, supposedly |
| 19:03.41 | XATRIX | Also i did upgrada via apt-get and now i reissue the command |
| 19:03.47 | XATRIX | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 19:03.47 | XATRIX | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.47 | XATRIX | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded. |
| 19:04.00 | tadzik | upgrading with apt-get is a bit discouraged, methinks |
| 19:04.08 | XATRIX | Why ? |
| 19:04.27 | tadzik | because stuff breaks sometimes |
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| 19:04.36 | tadzik | you'll have to ask someone more competent for the details |
| 19:05.15 | XATRIX | So, what's the deal how to upgrade this sutff :) ? |
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| 19:05.41 | kerio | XATRIX: install those packages |
| 19:05.52 | kerio | maybe |
| 19:05.52 | XATRIX | kerio, ? |
| 19:06.01 | kerio | or just ignore it |
| 19:08.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo basically abuses apt, it's not set up to make use of things like apt-get upgrade |
| 19:09.10 | XATRIX | So, it means it's not a good idea to upgrade things like apt-get up.. does ? |
| 19:09.14 | kerio | XATRIX: can you post the output of apt-cache policy libgcc1 ? |
| 19:09.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | the root cause being Nokia's weird idea of packing literally everything into one metapackage |
| 19:09.47 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: upstream packages have the right dependencies, though |
| 19:10.04 | XATRIX | kerio, http://hastebin.com/nevucafixo.avrasm |
| 19:10.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | upstream maybe has |
| 19:10.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | but maemo freemantle is not really upstream, right? |
| 19:10.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle, DUH |
| 19:10.47 | spoofy | I'm crazy.. I made a psad for maemo.. anyone want package? :) iptables required :P |
| 19:10.58 | XATRIX | psad ? |
| 19:11.13 | spoofy | http://cipherdyne.org/ |
| 19:11.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | IRC is no bookmark service! |
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| 19:12.22 | XATRIX | kerio, any ideas on my thingy ? |
| 19:12.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW, please at least give some explaining words when pasting URLs, otherwise you might get banned for URL spamming |
| 19:12.34 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05:I agree! :D |
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| 19:13.21 | XATRIX | Anyone can advice me where to find a software that will automatically orient my screen depending of how it's held ? |
| 19:13.27 | spoofy | that was a psad author homepage |
| 19:13.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is particularly true for any URL that's not got 'maemo' in it |
| 19:13.50 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: google too? |
| 19:14.08 | tadzik | XATRIX: er, what is the problem you're trying to solve? |
| 19:14.17 | tadzik | in CSSU hildon rotates when you rotate your phone |
| 19:14.29 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: ugh.. U know that I'm not spamming ;) |
| 19:14.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: as a general rule no user should need to visit the URL to decide if (s)he is interested in that stuff |
| 19:15.01 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: XATRIX just asked what is psad so I send him a url to author of psad.. |
| 19:15.13 | spoofy | that's all |
| 19:15.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | If I see 3 URLs in a row here where I think "WTF might this point to, and what's this all about?", I will grab the banhammer |
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| 19:16.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: exactly that left everybody with the alternative zo either not give a fsck what 'psad' is, or to feel urged to visit a URL webpage. Not a sane way to have a IRC convo |
| 19:18.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | if your URL pointed to some maemo infra, your reference to it by URL was ok. Not though when you mention a widely unknown name here and somebody asks wtf that is |
| 19:19.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | and, yes, this *is* spamming |
| 19:20.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki psad |
| 19:20.31 | tadzik | installs |
| 19:21.44 | kerio | tadzik: oh you |
| 19:22.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: (screen orientation) see CSSU-T |
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| 19:28.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: we still have NFC what might be PSAD, except for wikipedia definition |
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| 19:28.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: spamming like this is a *bery* common pattern to generate site hits, and thus it's generally considered SPAM and deprecated on IRC |
| 19:28.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | *very* |
| 19:28.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are other IRC channels / networks where you get banned for posting *any* URL |
| 19:29.16 | kerio | i wonder what's the legality of posting the url to silkroad |
| 19:29.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what's silkroad |
| 19:29.51 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: U know that I AM NOT SPAMMING. I send an url to homepage of author psad. Now sorry - but I don't have a time for such a talk. |
| 19:29.52 | tadzik | the TOR thing where you can buy drugs for bitcoins |
| 19:29.58 | kerio | online black marketplace |
| 19:30.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | general rule: when posting a URL, you add enough 'tags' to let interested users know ehat the URL will give them |
| 19:30.28 | kerio | "the site's operators prohibit goods or services intended to harm others, such as stolen credit card numbers, counterfeit currency, personal info, assassinations, weapons of mass destruction, and materials used to make such weapons.[10]" |
| 19:30.46 | kerio | meh, wikipedia lists the url |
| 19:31.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: and sorry, I have no time to visit that fsckng page to learn what's psad. So if you're not interested to tell us, I declare it a ban'able subject now |
| 19:33.45 | RST38h | Ah, Doc, just forget it |
| 19:34.03 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: Just.. get off me dude |
| 19:34.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | already did |
| 19:34.54 | XATRIX | Just a few questions more, is it possible to install adobe-flash support for Opera Mobile ? |
| 19:35.02 | kerio | XATRIX: nope |
| 19:35.08 | XATRIX | Crap |
| 19:35.20 | trumee | SpeedEvil: can i use N900 as a usb storage device for otg access on android? |
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| 19:39.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: isn't it funny how you can tell from behaviour of users what infra they use to access IRC? No N900-xchat user would spam a URL without further hints about what it is, so other N900-xchat users could decide if it's worth to switch to 3G, crank up opera, wait for that page to download and render |
| 19:43.35 | kerio | trumee: a what for what? |
| 19:44.04 | trumee | kerio: i want to use N900 as a usb storage device. |
| 19:44.15 | kerio | so do that |
| 19:44.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | terribly complicated |
| 19:44.32 | trumee | kerio: and use it along with android phone. |
| 19:44.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | tries to find the stop-sarcasm button |
| 19:45.04 | trumee | my android phone is poor on internal storage |
| 19:45.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: depending on android phone, no? as we all know, mass storage mode of fremantle works considerably nice with any standard PC |
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| 19:46.53 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: using mass storage mode with airplane mode will make it run for a few hours? |
| 19:46.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | charging *might* be a problem |
| 19:47.04 | trumee | yes, that is what i was coming to. |
| 19:47.23 | trumee | will it try to charge from the android phone? |
| 19:47.28 | kerio | yep |
| 19:47.34 | kerio | the android phone will say no, though |
| 19:47.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | then, it's up to ... dunno |
| 19:47.50 | kerio | so at best you get 200mA, if it's the standard usb otg |
| 19:47.57 | kerio | i think, at least |
| 19:47.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 19:48.02 | kerio | there's no standard? |
| 19:48.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | OTG is no way near 200mA |
| 19:48.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | it might be as low as 8mA, in certain situations |
| 19:48.35 | kerio | omg |
| 19:48.47 | kerio | oh, the n900 is just a subpar usb host, i see |
| 19:48.53 | kerio | it's not otg |
| 19:49.57 | trumee | kerio: cool, than the concept will work ok. |
| 19:50.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | nayway, once you got connected to your android phone, you probably can `stop bme` |
| 19:50.36 | trumee | cheaper than buying a 64gb micro-sdcard |
| 19:50.41 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: ok |
| 19:50.44 | kerio | or "echo none > /sys/class/power_supply/bq24150a-0/mode"! |
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| 19:51.05 | kerio | trumee: it's also a lot bulkier than a 64gb uSD |
| 19:51.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | only for KP with bme replacement |
| 19:52.00 | trumee | kerio: true. one problem remains though, not sure if android can mount external ext3 media |
| 19:52.30 | kerio | i don't see why it couldn't, but it probably can't |
| 19:52.52 | trumee | i want to circumvent the 4gb limit of fat32. And so was planning to repartition N900, but android will not see it |
| 19:52.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | where would you have to deal with ext3? |
| 19:53.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
| 19:53.20 | trumee | DocScrutinizer05: wont N900 offer ext3 for UMS? |
| 19:53.29 | kerio | trumee: you can make it do so |
| 19:54.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | default is VFAT that's exported on mass storage |
| 19:54.31 | kerio | and the whole uSD |
| 19:54.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course you can change that on N900 |
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| 19:56.51 | trumee | seems N900 can be all set. Will have to explore android if it can see ext3. |
| 19:56.57 | XATRIX | Crap, cant find CSSU in applications manager on N900 |
| 19:57.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | trumee: see osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh |
| 19:57.05 | XATRIX | What's the group of ? |
| 19:57.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: cssu is no app |
| 19:57.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 19:57.24 | infobot | i guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 19:57.53 | XATRIX | Yea, sure, i can't import stable repository |
| 19:57.58 | XATRIX | Only a testing one |
| 19:58.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: portrait mode is a per-app effort |
| 19:58.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: you can't WUT? |
| 19:58.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're not supposed to 'import repostitory' |
| 19:58.53 | vi_ | bwahahhaha android. |
| 19:58.56 | vi_ | what a joke. |
| 19:59.42 | XATRIX | http://wiki.maemo.org/images/thumb/1/13/Cssu_stable_5.png/180px-Cssu_stable_5.png |
| 19:59.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: ??? |
| 19:59.52 | XATRIX | This thing i was unable to import |
| 20:00.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | you are NOT SUPPOSED to import anything |
| 20:00.37 | XATRIX | How i do it: I open Web, go to http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU , Then click on the icon |
| 20:00.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty please read extremely fine and verbose instructions at http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 20:01.14 | XATRIX | Ok |
| 20:01.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | follow those instructions verbatim |
| 20:05.20 | kerio | the most important step is step 0 |
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| 20:07.41 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05, I mean Adding Catalog of CSSU Testing (by importing) |
| 20:10.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: a) I don't know what you mean by "importing", the instructions don't mention any such step. And b) you probably should ask in #maemo-ssu when you got problems from installation process. However note that we do NOT support any made up or modified installation procedure, only supported one is exactly as described on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 20:12.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: to install CSSU you're supposed to have internet access from your N900. then you click on that button which will start the installation process |
| 20:13.21 | XATRIX | Yes, this button adds catalog for CSSU testing to maemo app manager |
| 20:14.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 20:14.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | among others |
| 20:15.31 | XATRIX | Yes |
| 20:15.40 | XATRIX | That's what i mean :) |
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| 20:16.05 | XATRIX | By the way, let me show you the screenshot, maybe you can help me to find the software i was looking for |
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| 20:16.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, a problem report like that one is extremely useless to help you out of any problems |
| 20:17.04 | XATRIX | http://static.maemo.org/static/1/14c94ff2d8c011e08d27817556222a9c2a9c_attachment-lfgwwv.png |
| 20:17.21 | XATRIX | Take a look please, see the Orientation lock down there ? |
| 20:17.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I neither have any idea what sw you might be looking for, nor could I figure what's your actual problem with installing CSSU |
| 20:17.35 | XATRIX | Maybe this software does what i want ... |
| 20:17.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | no! it doesn't |
| 20:17.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's CSSU that does what you want |
| 20:18.31 | XATRIX | Wait a bit... CSSU is a catalog for apps , or i miss something ( |
| 20:18.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU is NOT AN APP |
| 20:18.44 | XATRIX | O_O |
| 20:18.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU is a OS update |
| 20:18.54 | XATRIX | Ahhh |
| 20:19.24 | XATRIX | Copy |
| 20:19.38 | XATRIX | Will try to find a way to install it |
| 20:19.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | instructions are on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 20:20.38 | XATRIX | Yea |
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| 20:23.31 | XATRIX | Ok...i did what the howto said, i opened the link i was given by you on my N900, then i click testing , it asked me a permission it wanted to add catalog |
| 20:23.40 | XATRIX | And there was nothing in more |
| 20:24.49 | XATRIX | Now i can confirm i have "Community SSU (testing)" record under my Application Manager menu->Application Catalogs |
| 20:25.26 | XATRIX | But i have no Community SSU icons within my app menu |
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| 20:27.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, strange |
| 20:28.28 | XATRIX | Yes |
| 20:28.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | please double-check |
| 20:28.47 | XATRIX | That's what i'm taking about, that's strange! |
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| 20:34.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: you gave HAM enough time to install the 'package = community-ssu-enabler' ? |
| 20:34.40 | XATRIX | I'm not sure it actually installed anything |
| 20:34.49 | XATRIX | It just added a catalog |
| 20:34.58 | XATRIX | Nothing more it did |
| 20:35.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, if you aborted it prematurely the sure it didn't install community-ssu-enabler |
| 20:35.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | then* |
| 20:35.28 | XATRIX | I didn't abort anything |
| 20:35.51 | XATRIX | Ok...i removed this catalog and now i'm on Community_SSU webpage |
| 20:36.00 | XATRIX | Clicking testing |
| 20:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | you did WHAT? |
| 20:36.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | you obviously think you're smarter than the cssu installer |
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| 20:37.01 | XATRIX | Oh, crap... This cssu installer doesn't want to run |
| 20:37.01 | XATRIX | I'm trying to make it |
| 20:37.08 | XATRIX | So, i'm started from the beggining |
| 20:37.15 | XATRIX | *beginning :) |
| 20:37.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, you didn't |
| 20:38.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | you aborted installation it seems, then messed around with catalogs, and restarted cssu installation process on a system that's in undefined state |
| 20:38.35 | XATRIX | I think it was messed during i did update with apt-get upgrdae |
| 20:38.57 | kerio | no it didn't, the cssu enabler will just not run again |
| 20:39.05 | kerio | manual fix: readd the catalog, then do system upgrade from HAM |
| 20:39.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>5. Hildon Application Manager (HAM) will launch and begin processing (be patient as nothing seems to happen for some minutes). There are a series of installations for which it will prompt you with messages and warnings. Click "Accept" and "Done" for each to install. << |
| 20:39.19 | kerio | better fix, considering your skills: restore your backup, then FOLLOW THE FUCKING INSTRUCTIONS |
| 20:39.25 | XATRIX | HAM tells me it has nothing to upgrade to |
| 20:39.55 | XATRIX | There were no warnings and messages |
| 20:40.13 | XATRIX | I was only asked to add CSSU catalog into the HAM |
| 20:40.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's when you aborted the install |
| 20:40.25 | XATRIX | Ok...will start it agian |
| 20:40.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's not warranted to work |
| 20:40.51 | XATRIX | Sure |
| 20:41.10 | kerio | that WILL NOT work |
| 20:41.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get install community-ssu-enabler |
| 20:41.21 | XATRIX | Wait a bit |
| 20:41.30 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: that's already installed, and rerunning it won't do anything |
| 20:41.37 | XATRIX | I see a high cpu load , after i added the CSSU catalog |
| 20:41.44 | XATRIX | Looks like it does something |
| 20:41.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | IT DOES!!!! |
| 20:41.55 | XATRIX | Crap!! It asked me about! |
| 20:41.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn |
| 20:42.01 | XATRIX | Community SSU Enable:) |
| 20:42.03 | kerio | feels that the concept of "wait a bit" is not quite understood |
| 20:42.18 | XATRIX | It want's me to install that crap :0 |
| 20:42.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-12-05 21:39:14] <DocScrutinizer05> >>5. Hildon Application Manager (HAM) will launch and begin processing (be patient as nothing seems to happen for some minutes). There are a series of installations for which it will prompt you with messages and warnings. Click "Accept" and "Done" for each to install. << |
| 20:42.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | (be patient as nothing seems to happen for some minutes) |
| 20:42.32 | XATRIX | Yea yea ... You were right :) |
| 20:42.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 20:42.42 | XATRIX | Shit...that's my fault :) |
| 20:42.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq! |
| 20:42.57 | XATRIX | *shrugs* |
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| 20:43.54 | XATRIX | Alright, seems like it said 1 appl. successfully installd |
| 20:44.12 | XATRIX | Let's go find this AWESOME app |
| 20:44.15 | kerio | ...one? :o |
| 20:44.33 | XATRIX | Wait.. It still doing something |
| 20:45.16 | XATRIX | Holy shit, i have yellow blinking box in my system tray |
| 20:45.25 | kerio | ZOMG!1!1 |
| 20:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: community-ssu-enabler |
| 20:45.31 | kerio | it's almost as if you followed the instructions |
| 20:45.41 | XATRIX | ^^ |
| 20:45.52 | XATRIX | Let's go update it |
| 20:46.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | you still don't like to follow instructions? |
| 20:46.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | well |
| 20:46.24 | XATRIX | Waht...why ? |
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| 20:46.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>6. Once this is completed, close HAM and go into the applications menu. Tap the Community SSU icon. This will run through a series of scripts to ensure the community repository are set up.<< |
| 20:46.52 | XATRIX | Ah..right |
| 20:47.10 | XATRIX | Sorry, i jut have my head off :((( It was a long day... |
| 20:48.46 | XATRIX | Ok...i started the script, it did some checks , mostly said ...already updated ...already updated. Replaced some of my repositories |
| 20:48.54 | XATRIX | And startded the HAM again |
| 20:49.20 | XATRIX | Hope this time it won't give up ;) |
| 20:49.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>7. HAM will re-open and present you the real thing: a system upgrade called Maemo 5 Community SSU - probably you want to install it ;-D. This will take a while. Once installed, your device will reboot.<< |
| 20:50.18 | XATRIX | Yes, yes ...i'm currently reading this up :) |
| 20:50.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | finally \o/ |
| 20:50.31 | XATRIX | Installing this CSSU package |
| 20:51.04 | XATRIX | It tells me the devices gonna be restarted |
| 20:51.10 | XATRIX | After the update completes |
| 20:51.21 | XATRIX | ~45MB to download |
| 20:51.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a system update |
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| 20:52.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | 45MB seem just OK for system update |
| 20:54.16 | XATRIX | Also i have multiple libqtm-* (bearer contacts location...) below Maermo 5 Community SSU Package |
| 20:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway keep in mind that your installation is kinda "tainted" since you messed around with CSSU installation quite a bit. It's not cleear if it "healed" everything you did, even when it seems to install OK |
| 20:54.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ignore those |
| 20:54.41 | XATRIX | Should i start this update also , after i it finish with CSSU ? |
| 20:54.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | just install maemo CSSU system update |
| 20:55.03 | XATRIX | Ok |
| 20:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | they will vanish with CSSU update |
| 20:55.16 | XATRIX | Can i revert the changes i made ? |
| 20:55.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 20:55.24 | XATRIX | I mean that's what i messed |
| 20:56.10 | XATRIX | Also, i'd like to ask about "power"-kernel :) |
| 20:56.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | since it's unclear what resulted from you aborting the initial community-ssu-enabler install, it's hard to tell how to revert |
| 20:56.20 | XATRIX | Is it worthy to install |
| 20:56.39 | XATRIX | The main deal is to flash it back again :) |
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| 20:56.42 | kerio | XATRIX: do you need its features? |
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| 20:57.06 | XATRIX | Sure, why not? It has iptables, it has more futures to save power stuff |
| 20:57.16 | XATRIX | Maybe it has even patch for tickless kernel :) |
| 20:57.26 | XATRIX | Multiple filesystems |
| 20:57.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: generally speaking every app that needs KP will DEPEND on it so it gets installed |
| 20:58.48 | XATRIX | Also , talking about CSSU, is it ongoing ? I heard it's deprecated |
| 20:58.57 | XATRIX | I mean stopped developing |
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| 20:59.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you know you need any of the low level core system facilities like netfilter, alternative filesystems, whatever, you're free to install KP |
| 20:59.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: huh? who told such BS? |
| 20:59.54 | XATRIX | Wikipedia O_O |
| 20:59.58 | vi_ | XATRIX, There was an update yesterday. |
| 21:00.24 | XATRIX | So, wait a bit... Let me get it clear... |
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| 21:00.56 | XATRIX | Maemo 5 is not going to develop, as wikipedia mentioned, but i can still receive updates via CSSU ? |
| 21:01.06 | XATRIX | Without CSSU i will not be able to ? |
| 21:01.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's the idea of CSSU |
| 21:03.33 | XATRIX | Ok |
| 21:03.44 | vi_ | XATRIX, what is your main language? |
| 21:03.58 | XATRIX | Ukrainean/Russian |
| 21:04.30 | vi_ | cze" |
| 21:04.35 | vi_ | cze! |
| 21:04.49 | XATRIX | My english is so bad... Isn't it ? :))) |
| 21:04.57 | XATRIX | Or why did you ask ? |
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| 21:07.23 | XATRIX | Also, i'd like to ask , is it good to enable SmartReflex via CPU management utility ? |
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| 21:07.50 | vi_ | XATRIX, No |
| 21:08.08 | XATRIX | Anything to prove it ? |
| 21:09.04 | vi_ | remove the cpu managaement utility. |
| 21:09.05 | vi_ | Smart reflex is broken on nokia kernel. |
| 21:09.05 | vi_ | If you want smart reflex you must install power-kernel. |
| 21:09.26 | XATRIX | Crap...I swear i will!!!! |
| 21:10.11 | XATRIX | Is there any precautions to install power-kernel ? |
| 21:10.18 | XATRIX | Or just hit-n-run ? |
| 21:11.01 | vi_ | XATRIX, The obvious dangers of overclocking a PC still apply to the n900. |
| 21:11.23 | XATRIX | Sure, that's thing is clear for so far :) |
| 21:11.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, SmartReflex *in theory* will save some power, but nobody bothered yet to test *how much* it actually saves in real life |
| 21:11.40 | vi_ | However, I feel the benefits outweigh the costs/risks. |
| 21:11.56 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05, your time has come. |
| 21:12.01 | XATRIX | ;) That's why i'm gonna try this thing out |
| 21:12.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | while there's still that statement that SR is proken on a hw level on N900, resulting in instabilities |
| 21:12.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | broken* |
| 21:12.23 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05, FMG fixed it. |
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| 21:12.42 | XATRIX | Any manual i can read about ? :) |
| 21:12.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: vi fixed nothing on hw level |
| 21:12.43 | XATRIX | ^^ |
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| 21:12.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | err FMG |
| 21:12.59 | XATRIX | This time i will read it from start to the end ;) |
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| 21:14.06 | XATRIX | Ok..i've found the howto for KP |
| 21:14.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | FMG assumed what might be the root cause that made Nokia say "SR is broken", and he added some workaround for this supposed cause maybe. But nobody but Nokia knows if this beena correct assumption |
| 21:15.11 | XATRIX | If i install KP, will it remove my default one ? |
| 21:15.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and nobody really investigated *how much* SR will actually save, compared to basically same thinh done "manually" in maemo kernel, via software |
| 21:15.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: sure |
| 21:15.49 | XATRIX | Great ! |
| 21:16.20 | XATRIX | One thing, can i install it via Application Manager ? |
| 21:16.24 | XATRIX | Or apt-get ? |
| 21:16.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, afaik yes |
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| 21:16.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get for sure |
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| 21:16.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAM dunno for sure |
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| 21:17.39 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05, offline mode; echo 1 > smartreflex; bq27x00.sh; mplayer <movie.avi>; bq27x00.sh; echo 0> smartreflex; bq27x00.sh; mplayer <movie.avi>; bq27x00.sh; |
| 21:17.39 | vi_ | ^will that be test enough for you? |
| 21:17.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | the most recent KP you probably need to install from some non-standard source though, if only because autobuilder is borked since weeks |
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| 21:18.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: sounds somewhat sane |
| 21:18.30 | XATRIX | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.49 | XATRIX | So, i have to do apt-get install kernel-power kernel-power-settings ? |
| 21:18.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: if you make sure your screen brightness is fixed to max level |
| 21:19.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: forget kernel-power-settings for now |
| 21:19.31 | XATRIX | Alright |
| 21:19.48 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05, Locked screen surely. The additional ~150mA drain of the screen will be pointless. |
| 21:19.48 | XATRIX | Do i also have to kick out kernel-flasher-maemo? |
| 21:19.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll need kernel-power, kernel-power-modules, and kernel-flasher |
| 21:20.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: all that should be verbosely described in the KP-howto |
| 21:21.03 | XATRIX | I'm exploring it |
| 21:21.39 | vi_ | I am going to put this SR argument to bed once and for all. |
| 21:22.24 | vi_ | Charging a spare n900 now. |
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| 21:24.26 | XATRIX | About camera functionality |
| 21:24.41 | XATRIX | can i do it apt-get install fcam-drivers, after i upgrade my kernel ? |
| 21:24.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: wrap your head around what SR does, and that same thing could be (and probably is) done via software in freq-governor as well, just a tad more slowly |
| 21:25.49 | vi_ | I know what SR does. |
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| 21:26.21 | vi_ | And I am fairly confident freq-governer does not scale voltages |
| 21:26.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: that's #1 FAQ about KP, please refer to tmo KP thread |
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| 21:26.57 | XATRIX | Refer to what ? |
| 21:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: well, *something* does, otherwise we wouldn't see all those weird voltage profiles for KP |
| 21:28.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: the thread about kernel-power on talk.maemo.org |
| 21:28.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | the only up-to-date source about all KP issues |
| 21:29.54 | XATRIX | Can't find it actually, there's so much topics related to 'kernel power' |
| 21:32.50 | XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05, Can't find this thread... Is it ok if i do it via KP FAQ? |
| 21:34.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: sorry, NFC which is the right thread in tmo, seems pali doesn't manage to keep stuff in one sticky location |
| 21:34.46 | XATRIX | So, what's the way ? :) |
| 21:35.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | read all? |
| 21:35.11 | XATRIX | You gotta be kidding me :) |
| 21:35.25 | XATRIX | There's almost >1000 posts on the forum |
| 21:35.39 | XATRIX | Related to KP, it's quite more than i expected |
| 21:35.50 | XATRIX | Ok..I'll do it via FAQ |
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| 21:40.34 | XATRIX | Ok..i did install kernel-power kernel-power modules |
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| 21:40.55 | XATRIX | It tells me that i can safely remove wireless-tools iptables |
| 21:41.09 | XATRIX | I have serious doubts it is a good idea to |
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| 21:53.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: never do apt-get (dist-)upgrade, or autoremove |
| 21:53.49 | XATRIX | Copy |
| 21:54.03 | XATRIX | Actually i'm a KP kernel |
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| 22:15.56 | freemangordon | Yeah, I think council should fix maemo/n900 page on wikipedia once and for all |
| 22:16.10 | freemangordon | there is not a single word for CSSU there :( |
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| 22:17.03 | freemangordon | if you read through the article, you got the impression n900/maemo5 is dead and burried some 5 years ago |
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| 22:17.12 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ |
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| 22:18.34 | jon_y | freemangordon: deleted, not notable enough :) |
| 22:18.56 | jon_y | also, No firsthand information |
| 22:19.08 | jon_y | and lastly, "Citation needed" |
| 22:19.43 | jon_y | the usual wikipedia disease :) |
| 22:20.12 | freemangordon | jon_y: sorry, don;t get what's deleted. |
| 22:20.35 | jon_y | no, it wasn't deleted, I was just joking |
| 22:20.43 | freemangordon | aah :D |
| 22:21.02 | jon_y | I did try to update a page about a software I worked on |
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| 22:21.09 | freemangordon | "A new update (Version 21.2011.38-1.002) was released onto the Nokia N900 on 2 November as an OTA-Update. The new version mostly consists of security updates." |
| 22:21.28 | freemangordon | Bullshit, who wrote that crap ?!? |
| 22:21.40 | jon_y | those admins came down like a pack of wolves to remove the edits |
| 22:22.35 | freemangordon | well, that's why I asked "the council" to edit it, they are supposed to be fluent in english and mature enough to know how to do it in the correct eay |
| 22:22.38 | freemangordon | *way |
| 22:23.11 | jon_y | hmm, not sure if there will be any excuses from the wikipedia admins |
| 22:23.24 | freemangordon | does not fall in either of the ^^^ categories :D:D:D |
| 22:23.43 | jon_y | well, good work if it wasn't reverted after a few weeks |
| 22:27.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: thanks, and yep |
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| 22:28.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | (wikipedia) |
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| 22:29.18 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I discussed wikipedia issue once woth woody, while he was still councilor, but it seems this had lower prioruty than the otehr tasks. And I admit I agree (re priority) |
| 22:29.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 22:29.51 | freemangordon | the fuuuck, my writing skills... :D |
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| 22:30.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | esp since wikipedia can get fixed by $random-community-member, according to wikiwiki def |
| 22:31.03 | freemangordon | I am not aware of the rules, but somehow I feel it is council's job to do it |
| 22:32.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | council means nothing to wikipedia |
| 22:32.28 | freemangordon | sure, but still |
| 22:32.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | they'd hardly even bother to learn what it means in maemo |
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| 22:38.11 | SpeedEvil | why not fix wikipedia ypourselfz? |
| 22:38.30 | freemangordon | SpeedEvil: that's what we talk about |
| 22:39.33 | SpeedEvil | freemangordon: I mean, you. you see an error on wikipedia, fix it. no need to contact anyone. |
| 22:40.05 | freemangordon | SpeedEvil: I am not exactly famous with my English skills |
| 22:40.20 | ShadowJK | thought wikipedia rules would prevent maemo council from editing wikipedia's maemo article |
| 22:40.35 | SpeedEvil | indeed |
| 22:40.39 | freemangordon | what? |
| 22:40.43 | freemangordon | whay is that? |
| 22:40.52 | freemangordon | *why |
| 22:41.12 | SpeedEvil | you can't edit your own article |
| 22:41.22 | SpeedEvil | in theory |
| 22:42.05 | SpeedEvil | so generate a draft, and ask about English issues |
| 22:42.29 | freemangordon | so physicists cannot edit articles on physics? come on. |
| 22:43.15 | ShadowJK | If you follow wikipedia rules, the people working at the LHC can't edit articles about discoveries the LHC has made |
| 22:43.31 | freemangordon | SpeedEvil: I don't get your point, really. Is it FMG the only one left? or what? |
| 22:43.33 | ShadowJK | That also go against wikipedia's "No original research" rules |
| 22:43.37 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: ok, got it |
| 22:44.10 | freemangordon | But Maemo is (still) Nokia (tm) |
| 22:44.48 | freemangordon | and Maemo council is in no way related to Nokia |
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| 23:05.00 | XATRIX | I thing after i updated my kernel my cameras stoped working |
| 23:05.08 | XATRIX | ;( |
| 23:05.18 | freemangordon | XATRIX: fcam? |
| 23:05.36 | XATRIX | front cam, back cam both |
| 23:05.40 | XATRIX | No picture |
| 23:05.45 | XATRIX | Just a black screen |
| 23:05.55 | freemangordon | XATRIX: fcam is a software, do you have it installed |
| 23:05.56 | freemangordon | ? |
| 23:06.07 | XATRIX | Sounds if |
| 23:06.37 | XATRIX | How can i check it ? |
| 23:06.59 | freemangordon | do "dpkg -l | grep fcam" in terminal, without quotes |
| 23:07.41 | XATRIX | Nokia-N900:~# dpkg -l | grep fcam |
| 23:07.41 | XATRIX | ii fcam-drivers 1.0.6-1 Kernel drivers necessary for the FCam camera control API. |
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| 23:08.19 | freemangordon | XATRIX: ok, install fcam-drivers from extras-devel and cameras will work again |
| 23:08.52 | XATRIX | How can i add extras-devel ? |
| 23:09.40 | XATRIX | Seems like i found |
| 23:10.50 | freemangordon | open http://repository.maemo.org/extras/install/extras-devel-fremantle.install from microb |
| 23:10.56 | XATRIX | Can i also add Extras-testing ? |
| 23:11.16 | freemangordon | XATRIX: it is not advicable to have those repos permanently enabled |
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| 23:16.02 | XATRIX | But what's the link for testing repo ? |
| 23:16.05 | XATRIX | I will add it also, but disable for sure |
| 23:16.15 | freemangordon | XATRIX: http://repository.maemo.org/ |
| 23:16.30 | freemangordon | your OS id Fremantle :P |
| 23:16.32 | freemangordon | *is |
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| 23:18.06 | XATRIX | Yea |
| 23:18.10 | XATRIX | I know :) |
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| 23:18.40 | XATRIX | And i have ton of an updates advised after i applied extras-devel |
| 23:19.09 | freemangordon | XATRIX: don't update if you don't know what you are doing |
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| 23:19.30 | XATRIX | Yea |
| 23:19.32 | freemangordon | XATRIX: just do (as root in terminal) apt-get install fcam-drivers |
| 23:20.19 | XATRIX | Preparing to replace fcam-drivers 1.0.6-1 (using .../fcam-drivers_1.0.7-2_armel.deb) ... |
| 23:20.30 | freemangordon | yep |
| 23:20.40 | XATRIX | I've done...what now ? |
| 23:20.51 | XATRIX | Maybe i need to reload some kernel modules ? |
| 23:20.57 | freemangordon | after installation, disable -testing and -devel repos and reboot |
| 23:20.58 | XATRIX | modprobe -r && modpro |
| 23:22.37 | XATRIX | By the way, is the kernel of maemo upgraded sometime ? |
| 23:22.43 | XATRIX | I mean how often? |
| 23:23.09 | freemangordon | XATRIX: kernel-power? doesn't it ring the bell? |
| 23:23.16 | XATRIX | Uh ? |
| 23:23.20 | XATRIX | Yes, kernel-power |
| 23:24.18 | freemangordon | XATRIX: check in the changelog (of kernel-power) for how often |
| 23:24.26 | XATRIX | Ok |
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| 23:31.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | (wikipedia) anyway I did a few minor edits, CBA to do more |
| 23:32.32 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: better than nothing, thank a lot |
| 23:32.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
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| 23:34.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq for OTA-bitmap |
| 23:35.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo&oldid=521809224 |
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| 23:36.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty much failed on "Disambiguated: OTA → OTA bitmap," |
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| 23:38.33 | XATRIX | Ok...the cams are working tho |
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| 23:38.45 | XATRIX | But it has 100% cpu load :( |
| 23:38.51 | XATRIX | My vide a bit laggy |
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| 23:39.47 | freemangordon | XATRIX: who loads cpu on max? |
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| 23:40.33 | XATRIX | It sounds like some software called thelepaty |
| 23:40.38 | XATRIX | and pulseaudio |
| 23:41.45 | freemangordon | give it sometime to settle down. |
| 23:41.55 | XATRIX | It's already about 5 mins |
| 23:42.01 | freemangordon | pulseaudio is your sound |
| 23:42.08 | XATRIX | Yes,i know |
| 23:42.16 | freemangordon | do you do a videocall? |
| 23:42.17 | XATRIX | I'm running Skype via Wifi |
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| 23:42.26 | XATRIX | Both video is online |
| 23:42.38 | freemangordon | 100% load is normal |
| 23:42.40 | XATRIX | I'm receiveing and sending video |
| 23:44.18 | XATRIX | Also what is the Mac OS folder in My Docs ? |
| 23:44.26 | XATRIX | + cities ? |
| 23:44.39 | freemangordon | NFC for Mac folder |
| 23:44.48 | freemangordon | cities if OVI Maps offline cache |
| 23:45.06 | freemangordon | BTW Mac folder is normal, I have it too |
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| 23:45.36 | freemangordon | just have NFC what it is, maybe some stuff needed for Apple devices |
| 23:46.19 | XATRIX | Can i safely delete it ? |
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| 23:51.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | mac folder is for using mass storage mode with mac |
| 23:51.42 | XATRIX | I have no mac :) |
| 23:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: and yes, you can safely delete it but nobody sane will suggest to do that, since it doesn't eat any remarkable space and doesn't conflict with anything, and *eventually* you'll need it (think of next party witha friend who actually got a mac) |
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| 23:53.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly this flder is *last* issue to be concerned about |
| 23:56.37 | FIQ | needing a special folder for storage to work is just stupid |
| 23:56.57 | FIQ | but indeed deleting mac os directory=bad |
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| 23:59.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | umount ~user/MyDocs/; >~user/MyDocs/'Do_Not_WriteInThisFolder!' |
