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| 06:04.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: a physical keyboard is also hardly found on iPhones |
| 06:10.20 | Hurrian | vi_: After having built one kernel on-device, I know what I'm never going to try doing again. |
| 06:11.20 | Hurrian | Building small programs? Sure. glibc and larger packages? Nope. |
| 06:13.12 | Luke-Jr | … |
| 06:13.17 | Luke-Jr | notes kernels are small |
| 06:15.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess he meant kernel+modules |
| 06:15.41 | Hurrian | It takes forever to build kernel-power on device! |
| 06:17.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | (+ modules) which kinda drove me crazy for some time, during developing hostmode |
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| 08:38.37 | joshgillies | any ideas for someone running *nix with a n900 bootlooping and unable to take flasher commands? |
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| 08:39.08 | joshgillies | read and performed all outlined in http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware |
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| 08:43.00 | joshgillies | http://pastebin.com/z9ri64Wb |
| 08:43.24 | joshgillies | output from # flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f |
| 08:43.52 | joshgillies | without root the device looks to be discovered but flsah dailes due to permissions |
| 08:44.14 | joshgillies | flash fails* |
| 08:45.31 | jon_y | joshgillies: try moving to a different usb port |
| 08:45.41 | jon_y | worked for my n9 |
| 08:46.13 | joshgillies | on my laptop I have three |
| 08:46.17 | joshgillies | Ive tried them all |
| 08:46.22 | joshgillies | will grab another cable |
| 08:46.25 | joshgillies | sec... |
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| 08:51.40 | joshgillies | no luck :( |
| 08:51.44 | joshgillies | might be toast |
| 08:51.58 | jon_y | does it respond to flasher -i? |
| 08:52.27 | joshgillies | hrmm |
| 08:52.32 | joshgillies | lemme see |
| 08:52.33 | jon_y | run that, and then plug in your act_dead n900 |
| 08:53.01 | jon_y | plug in your phone after, but not before running the command, let the command wait for the phone |
| 08:53.28 | joshgillies | holding 'u' |
| 08:53.31 | joshgillies | ? |
| 08:53.34 | jon_y | no need |
| 08:53.56 | jon_y | does it detect the phone? |
| 08:54.11 | joshgillies | actually, it looks like it does |
| 08:54.19 | joshgillies | USB device found found at bus 002, device address 089. |
| 08:54.22 | joshgillies | Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2204 |
| 08:54.23 | joshgillies | NOLO version 1.4.14 |
| 08:54.26 | joshgillies | Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 |
| 08:54.29 | jon_y | now try typing your flash command |
| 08:55.33 | joshgillies | seems to fall over after "Booting device into flash mode." |
| 08:55.44 | jon_y | you typed -b too? |
| 08:56.07 | joshgillies | no |
| 08:56.10 | joshgillies | # flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f |
| 08:56.28 | jon_y | try flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f -b |
| 08:56.29 | jon_y | ? |
| 08:56.33 | joshgillies | sure |
| 08:57.26 | joshgillies | doesn't seem to make a change |
| 08:57.54 | jon_y | sorry, no idea, try flashing from a different machine? |
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| 09:03.55 | joshgillies | hrmmmm |
| 09:04.03 | joshgillies | maybe I was trying to flash the wrong image?! |
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| 09:05.29 | joshgillies | sudo flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f |
| 09:05.33 | joshgillies | this works |
| 09:05.45 | joshgillies | where as this `# flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f didn't |
| 09:05.54 | joshgillies | any ideas? |
| 09:06.28 | joshgillies | yeah right, boots and everything now... |
| 09:06.32 | joshgillies | lol?! |
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| 09:18.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<joshgillies> read and performed all outlined in http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware)) obviously not |
| 09:20.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 -> |
| 09:20.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | l. Note however that eMMC flashing will fail when your rootfs is completely messed up, the recommended flash sequence then is rootfs, eMMC, rootfs *again*. |
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| 09:21.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<joshgillies> any ideas?)) yep: read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware, understand the difference between COMBINED and VANILLA |
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| 09:25.20 | joshgillies | Thanks for the heads up DocScrutinizer |
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| 09:58.57 | teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: what the fuck ugly nick highlighter are you using? |
| 09:59.02 | teotwaki | ((<_>)) |
| 09:59.05 | teotwaki | seriously? |
| 09:59.34 | teotwaki | That looks like a depressed constipated monk, also. |
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| 10:13.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm? |
| 10:17.23 | fastlane` | :o |
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| 10:40.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | joshgillies: 00,01[quote author=joshgillies date=2012-12-04 10:05:54] any ideas? 01 read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware |
| 10:40.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | how about that? |
| 10:42.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | joshgillies: 09,04[quote author=joshgillies date=2012-12-04 10:05:54] any ideas? 01 or that? |
| 10:42.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: ^^^ |
| 10:42.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's no nick highlighter but a quote |
| 10:42.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | if yougot a better idea for quotes, you're welcome to suggest it |
| 10:44.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | joshgillies: [quote author=joshgillies date=2012-12-04 10:05:54] any ideas?[/quote] or that? |
| 10:48.19 | jonwil | Might have a mess with some N900 GPS stuff tonight :) |
| 10:48.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: ?? |
| 10:48.52 | jonwil | reverse engineering the blobs that is |
| 10:48.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 10:49.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might want to talk to Luke-Jr |
| 10:49.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | he did some RE of the protocol at least, iirc |
| 10:49.48 | jonwil | I got info on that |
| 10:50.19 | jonwil | I have the .h file that contains the structures used in the communication with the cell modem for GPS |
| 10:50.27 | jonwil | from some SDK somewhere |
| 10:50.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | cool |
| 10:51.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: there's some piece of sw that might be worth disassembling: the location-pickle eraser |
| 10:51.33 | jonwil | What is that for? |
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| 10:51.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | to reset AGPS' notion of current location |
| 10:52.07 | jonwil | which binary is that? |
| 10:52.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | mompls |
| 10:52.13 | jonwil | or which package? |
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| 10:54.07 | jonwil | As of right now there are 7 or so binary blobs in use by meego/mer/nemo on N900. Bluetooth/WiFi init bits are replacable thanks to my reverse engineering work. Pulseaudio seems to be being handled. BME is covered thanks to Pali. libcal is covered thanks to freemangordon. Camera can be replaced with FCam. |
| 10:54.25 | jonwil | So only GPS and GPU exist as bits that dont have any reeplacements at all |
| 10:54.47 | jonwil | and GPU is way out of my league so GPS it is |
| 10:56.04 | jonwil | I did spend a bit of time the other day looking into some systemui dbus stuff related to powerkeymenu but didn't get anywhere with that |
| 10:56.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, can't find the bookmark |
| 10:57.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm rather sure Nokia published it as attachment to a bug ticket |
| 10:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a diagnostic tool |
| 10:57.52 | jonwil | ok |
| 10:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | bugtracker, some bug about "GPS no fix" |
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| 10:59.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | it would shed some light on how and where AGPS initial location is stored |
| 10:59.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a tiny ARM binary |
| 11:02.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | mubles a few swearwords about bookmark mess |
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| 11:03.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | tadaaa! https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026#c35 |
| 11:03.28 | povbot | 04Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view |
| 11:05.21 | SpeedEvil | someone did a GPS decoder that talked more directly to the hw, without lob location |
| 11:05.29 | SpeedEvil | Luke-Jr: ? |
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| 11:14.09 | ShadowJK | clear-gps-cache |
| 11:18.36 | SpeedEvil | well, directly to the preloaded firmware in the cmt |
| 11:19.05 | ShadowJK | i think if you request gnss from location-ui, and have no other gps requesting softwares running, you'd not use the caches |
| 11:19.08 | ShadowJK | thoigh I'm not sure |
| 11:19.42 | SpeedEvil | the caches are used to hint the gps, I think |
| 11:19.50 | SpeedEvil | to aid in lock |
| 11:20.14 | ShadowJK | oh cool, google supl now has my local new 3g bts |
| 11:20.20 | ShadowJK | took a week or two :-) |
| 11:20.42 | ShadowJK | impressively fast considering I'm in middle of nowhere and probably no android devices pass through here |
| 11:20.51 | ShadowJK | let alone androids with activated gps |
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| 11:49.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: how do you tell? |
| 11:49.50 | ShadowJK | I wasn't getting the 6-9km accurate cellbased position before |
| 11:49.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | (that the supl has your EnodeB) |
| 11:50.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ahh |
| 11:50.18 | ShadowJK | Usually it went 6-9km first based on cell, and then when gps kicks in it went to 500-50n |
| 11:50.38 | ShadowJK | Like, I wasn't even getting the 600km "middle of finland" thing |
| 11:51.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I still suspect that supl is *not* used for GPS |
| 11:51.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe sometimes is used in a weird way |
| 11:51.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway GSM has its own hidden "supl" |
| 11:51.56 | ShadowJK | I don't think I got any agps data at all either |
| 11:52.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~gsm-agps |
| 11:52.30 | infobot | i heard rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP |
| 11:52.32 | ShadowJK | Because it started with 0/0 sats everytime, which is worse than it usually is when requesting pure gps |
| 11:53.37 | ShadowJK | But when I switched to gsm from 3g, phone connected to old ancient bts, and then sats changed to 0/12 and 9km estimate appeared |
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| 11:54.34 | ShadowJK | suspects it just looks at CellID and queries supl server with that |
| 11:54.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still doubt the linux based supl actually propagates thru BB5 to GPS-chip, to help on getting a fix |
| 11:55.00 | ShadowJK | I don't |
| 11:55.45 | ShadowJK | There's significant different in time to fix when using/not using supl, and big difference between broken supl.nokia.com and supl.google.com |
| 11:56.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | you ever got a fix in short time without SIM? |
| 11:56.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, probably supl can't work without SIM ;-P |
| 11:57.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | <-- needs coffee |
| 11:57.27 | ShadowJK | Well, I got no fast fix with unknown new CellID either, so I imagine without Sim, no CellID would be same as unknown CellID? |
| 11:57.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 11:59.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | and also don't forget about importance of correct systime when using GPS |
| 11:59.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least AGPS |
| 11:59.15 | ShadowJK | That map thing in maemo4 agps, was probably replaced by relying on CellID |
| 11:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
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| 12:02.13 | ShadowJK | puts N800+bluetoothgps, N810 and spare N900 on livingroom table |
| 12:02.30 | ShadowJK | question is, do I ask for agps or gps on N900 |
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| 12:04.18 | ShadowJK | gps |
| 12:06.13 | ShadowJK | sirfstar3 fix in 30 secs |
| 12:06.28 | ShadowJK | N900 sees 6 sats, N810 1 |
| 12:06.42 | ShadowJK | ... sirfstar lost lock |
| 12:09.08 | jonwil | ok, so that clear-gps-cache binary is basically sending a LS_CLEAR_GPS_DATA_REQ message to the cellmo location server |
| 12:09.54 | ShadowJK | aw, this livingroom table might be too difficult, not even srfstar can get lock |
| 12:11.52 | jonwil | Also, fyi, location-proxy (handles talking to supl server) calls a number of functions in liblas |
| 12:11.58 | jonwil | including las_supl_server_conf_req |
| 12:12.05 | jonwil | las_supl_nw_init_req |
| 12:12.16 | jonwil | and some others |
| 12:13.47 | ShadowJK | where do you get the symbols from? |
| 12:14.10 | jonwil | These are listed in the imports table for location-proxy :) |
| 12:14.37 | jonwil | as for the other LS_CLEAR_GPS_DATA_REQ thing, that came from the pn_location_isi.h file I have |
| 12:14.50 | jonwil | I matched up the value of that constant with the binary value in clear-gps-cache |
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| 12:19.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<ShadowJK> N900 sees 6 sats, N810 1)) doesn't really mean a thing, see bugtracker ticket I referred to above. "sats seen" means "sats in view, according to supl or cache" aiui |
| 12:19.44 | jonwil | but yeah the whole GPS system is a lot more complex than I thought. |
| 12:19.45 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 12:19.58 | jonwil | so no I cant reverse engineer it |
| 12:20.06 | ShadowJK | N900 probably had some cache |
| 12:20.19 | ShadowJK | it only has one sat with more than 6 as signal |
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| 12:22.14 | jonwil | biggest problem with reverse engineering GPS is total lack of understanding of libisi (which has been frustrating me pretty much ever since I first started N900 reverse engineering) |
| 12:23.38 | ShadowJK | is that the closed prototype of what eventually became isimodem in oFono? |
| 12:23.56 | jonwil | its what the N900 cellular services daemon uses for talking to the modem |
| 12:25.12 | ShadowJK | moves devices closer to the side of table closest to a window |
| 12:25.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: aiui libisi 'downward' interface is to phonet and you can spy it with wireshark |
| 12:25.36 | jonwil | yes that I know |
| 12:25.49 | jonwil | I have the pn_location_isi.h file that describes the actual packets for GPS |
| 12:26.17 | jonwil | but what I dont have (and want) is the specs for the libisi api calls |
| 12:27.16 | jonwil | If I had that, it would make reverse engineering the next layer parts of the cell stack (e.g. liblas, libsms etc etc) much easier |
| 12:27.23 | jonwil | i.e. libisi-dev is what I wish I had :) |
| 12:34.21 | spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: cat /sys/power/idcode Prod id: ...cafeb7ae |
| 12:37.40 | spoofy | so it's still ES3.1 |
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| 12:37.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: mhm. thanks |
| 12:38.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you post the full 4 lines? |
| 12:38.46 | spoofy | uh.. ok. But I have a clean os without ssh |
| 12:39.05 | spoofy | Prod id is the same |
| 12:39.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | err 3 |
| 12:39.12 | spoofy | I'll write a die id |
| 12:39.39 | spoofy | 0f01d006 04038269 00000000 192e0004 |
| 12:39.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0c004012 040364fb 00000000 44f60004 |
| 12:40.07 | spoofy | so? :) |
| 12:40.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea :-) |
| 12:40.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it can get dissected by using some info from TRM |
| 12:41.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | mask stepping? 0f01 vs 0c00? |
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| 12:43.10 | spoofy | hmm |
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| 12:46.20 | ShadowJK | hm.. weird, my android tblet claims to see satellites 71, 78 and 85 |
| 12:46.53 | jonwil | so yeah figuring out anything more about GPS or powervr or other closed bits isn't going to happen :P |
| 12:47.07 | jonwil | run out of closed bits I can actually usefully reverse engineer :) |
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| 12:49.16 | Hurrian | jonwil: GPS is unfortunately closed because it touches the cellular modem. |
| 12:49.44 | jonwil | yeah and Nokia didn't want to document the interface to the cellular modem |
| 12:49.53 | Hurrian | everything touching the cellmo has vanishingly rare documentation, unforunately. |
| 12:50.08 | jonwil | except that of course they later documented some bits of it in ofono |
| 12:52.54 | SpeedEvil | who did the 'direct' comms to GPS I was thinking of? |
| 12:53.15 | ShadowJK | I think luke worked on it at some point? |
| 12:53.24 | ShadowJK | might've been on n810, not sure |
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| 12:57.01 | jonwil | n810 GPS was totally different to N900 |
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| 12:57.54 | joshgillies | Is blessn900 totally broken with more revent kernels (eg cssu-t) ? |
| 12:59.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a frggin lot of documentation about phonet/isi |
| 13:00.09 | jonwil | the protocols yes |
| 13:00.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 13:00.19 | jonwil | but the actual interfaces for the different bits of the modem no |
| 13:00.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
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| 13:02.07 | ShadowJK | Oh! my tablet is seeing glonass satellites |
| 13:02.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wireless Modem API G2 V2 11w05.zip |
| 13:03.02 | jon_y | joshgillies: seems to work for me |
| 13:03.08 | jonwil | some bits and pieces are out there but lots of it isn't, i.e. some of whats out there (including that zip) doesn't 100% match the n900 modem |
| 13:03.14 | jon_y | but it crashes if I take more than a few pictures :( |
| 13:03.28 | jon_y | with cssu-t |
| 13:05.48 | joshgillies | I'd noticed that in precious testing, now after a fesh flash it wont load at all and cssu-camera-ui doesn't seem to work either... |
| 13:06.02 | joshgillies | Anyone know of an issue tracker somewhere I can peer through? |
| 13:07.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Feb 11 01:02:16 <DocScrutinizer> Wireless Modem API - another nice way to lose your mind<< |
| 13:09.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-t has no impact on kernel |
| 13:09.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: joshgillies: ^^^ |
| 13:10.59 | jon_y | the stock camera app starts fine for me |
| 13:11.14 | jon_y | I've even taken a few pictures last week end |
| 13:11.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'd not see any other reason why cssu would make blessn900 segfault |
| 13:12.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe blessn900 and cssu-t's nicocam conflict in some way |
| 13:12.23 | jon_y | I dunno, it works fine for a few pictures and exits suddenly after that |
| 13:12.35 | jon_y | stock camera app works perfectly |
| 13:12.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | though afaik nicocam shouldn't change anything of the bits that are used by blessn900 |
| 13:13.02 | jon_y | I don't have nicocam installed, only blessn900 |
| 13:13.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: I understood you got cssu-t? |
| 13:14.11 | jon_y | yes |
| 13:14.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you most probably don't have stock camera anymore |
| 13:14.57 | jon_y | well, whatever that took over the stock camera app, it works |
| 13:15.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody claimed anything different |
| 13:16.15 | jon_y | is cssu-camera-ui the stock camera app replacement? |
| 13:16.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's nicocam |
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| 13:16.45 | jon_y | nicocam replaced stock camera app? |
| 13:16.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 13:17.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | in cssu-t, sadly |
| 13:17.07 | jon_y | ok, nicocam works totally fine |
| 13:17.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | except when it doesn't |
| 13:17.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | but well, *usually* it's working |
| 13:18.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless it might conflict with blessn900, at least in theory |
| 13:20.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | my main concern about nicocam though is that it's not optional |
| 13:22.27 | jon_y | does nicocam still show as "Camera" in the app menu? |
| 13:22.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably |
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| 14:45.23 | MrPingu_TUD | hi |
| 14:48.58 | MrPingu_TUD | Another pair of headphones died :( Now I am sick of it! Planning to buy some BT headphone. Anybody here has some knowledge abt wireless headphones? |
| 14:49.29 | Aoyagi_joytop | Not the kind you could use for cellphones. |
| 14:50.49 | Aoyagi_joytop | Actually what kind are you looking for? |
| 14:51.31 | tadzik | if those damned jack plugs never broke the headphone producers would run out of business surely |
| 14:51.34 | MrPingu_TUD | Ones that work out of the box with natural sound, I don't like bass-boosted headphones |
| 14:52.02 | Aoyagi_joytop | Yes, but I meant what kind of construction.. :P |
| 14:52.18 | MrPingu_TUD | Aoyagi_joytop: I have no idea |
| 14:52.42 | Aoyagi_joytop | well, then my recommendation goes in this direction > http://www.sennheiserusa.com/bluetooth-stereo-headphones-wireless-headphones-noise-cancelling |
| 14:53.45 | Aoyagi_joytop | -IF- you want BT anyway. |
| 14:54.09 | MrPingu_TUD | Aoyagi_joytop: right now I have the klipsch image s4 (in-ear) wired, sounded beautiful but the left side failed due some invisible cable-fracture, I guess |
| 14:54.49 | Aoyagi_joytop | Yeah, I'm unaware of any in-canal wireless headphones :D |
| 14:55.46 | MrPingu_TUD | Well I am just sick of those cable-fractures so I want to go wireless instead :) |
| 14:57.28 | Aoyagi_joytop | Then you'll have to get something larger, because even the (crappy) wireless in-ear headphones I've found so far do have some cable on them. |
| 14:57.45 | Aoyagi_joytop | 'sides, my cables have never broken ^^ |
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| 14:58.18 | Aoyagi_joytop | An I ride over some of them with my chair on regular basis... |
| 14:59.02 | MrPingu_TUD | Aoyagi_joytop: those sennheiser you showed me, still have cables? |
| 14:59.17 | Aoyagi_joytop | No, those aren't in-ear. |
| 14:59.32 | MrPingu_TUD | ah I don't need in-ear |
| 14:59.50 | MrPingu_TUD | but I don't want them to be too big tho |
| 15:00.20 | Aoyagi_joytop | Well, the MM 100 looks small enoughl. |
| 15:00.24 | Aoyagi_joytop | enough* |
| 15:00.37 | Aoyagi_joytop | https://sc.sbcommerce.nl/prodimg/images32/SH_MM100_5_OF.jpg |
| 15:01.35 | Aoyagi_joytop | actually the 400 line is small too |
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| 15:01.45 | MrPingu_TUD | Even a bit bigger is fine too |
| 15:02.24 | MrPingu_TUD | oh and remember I am a price/quality seeker ;p |
| 15:02.41 | Aoyagi_joytop | Huh. I just seek quality :D |
| 15:03.24 | Aoyagi_joytop | http://media.t3.com/img/resized/se/xl_Sennheiser_MM450_Travel_624.jpg how's that size |
| 15:03.57 | Aoyagi_joytop | according to T3.com, it's the best BT headset money can buy. |
| 15:04.11 | Aoyagi_joytop | £350 |
| 15:04.48 | Aoyagi_joytop | huh, a lot cheaper from what I see on Amazon :D |
| 15:05.11 | MrPingu_TUD | Normally I do, but since im studying money is getting a bit less available :p |
| 15:05.19 | Aoyagi_joytop | $250-ish |
| 15:05.42 | MrPingu_TUD | I really have to watch my expenses |
| 15:06.13 | MrPingu_TUD | Was more looking at the range of 150, actually |
| 15:06.20 | Aoyagi_joytop | Well, the MM100 are for that |
| 15:06.22 | Aoyagi_joytop | $150 |
| 15:08.15 | Aoyagi_joytop | Or you can go to Radioshack (whatevs) and see what you like personally :P |
| 15:08.19 | MrPingu_TUD | Do you anything about Creative Wp-350? |
| 15:08.53 | MrPingu_TUD | Aoyagi_joytop: I seriously dont care what brand, as long its good for the price I pay ;) |
| 15:09.09 | Lava_Croft | if you seek quality, use AKG |
| 15:10.01 | Aoyagi_joytop | MrPingu_TUD: I've had the chance to listen to only two (larger) Creatuve headsets and those were mildly bass-boosted, otherwise not bad. |
| 15:11.11 | MrPingu_TUD | Aoyagi_joytop: Thanks, I will keep that in mind :) |
| 15:11.55 | MrPingu_TUD | Lava_Croft: Thanks just see the AKG K 830 BT in my list here... |
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| 15:12.13 | MrPingu_TUD | Same price as sennheiser MM100 |
| 15:12.13 | Lava_Croft | AKG has better price/quality than Sennheiser, in my experience |
| 15:12.27 | Aoyagi_joytop | orly |
| 15:12.57 | Lava_Croft | I guess it's a lot of personal preference too, since Sennheiser certainly isn't crap |
| 15:13.15 | Lava_Croft | AKG juts sounds better to me |
| 15:13.19 | Lava_Croft | just* |
| 15:13.31 | Aoyagi_joytop | Yeah, Senns sound too "flat" to most people :/ |
| 15:13.34 | Lava_Croft | Not sure if they have BT headsets at all tho |
| 15:14.01 | Aoyagi_joytop | I think I saw one of their crazy design heavy headphones lying on a recharger somewhere. |
| 15:14.13 | Lava_Croft | I use cheap 50euro buds from AKG, since while on the road, i basically burn through a set of earbuds every year |
| 15:14.20 | MrPingu_TUD | Where to read "good" reviews about headphones? |
| 15:14.22 | Lava_Croft | If not more |
| 15:14.31 | Lava_Croft | MrPingu_TUD: Test yourself:) |
| 15:14.40 | Aoyagi_joytop | Yeah, that :D |
| 15:14.42 | Lava_Croft | In my experience, reviews arent very handy with it |
| 15:14.43 | tadzik | the phrase "cheap 50€" amuses me a bit :P |
| 15:14.48 | tadzik | but I'm leaving in a cheap country |
| 15:14.58 | Lava_Croft | It's not like computer graphics, where you can easily see a screenshot of a game and say "that looks awful" |
| 15:15.03 | Lava_Croft | tadzik: heh |
| 15:15.24 | Aoyagi_joytop | Wait, you're using headphones while driving? |
| 15:15.39 | Lava_Croft | i use headphones on scooter/bicycle |
| 15:15.43 | Lava_Croft | or while walking |
| 15:15.50 | MrPingu_TUD | Aoyagi_joytop: No, I dont have driving license :P |
| 15:15.55 | Lava_Croft | im special, headphones have been fixed to my head since i was a kid |
| 15:16.21 | MrPingu_TUD | I use them when I am in train, bus or walking from train to bus :P |
| 15:16.28 | Aoyagi_joytop | I'm pretty sure there's a law against using headphones and participating in traffic :P |
| 15:16.31 | Lava_Croft | i basically use them whenever i leave the house on my own |
| 15:16.38 | Lava_Croft | Aoyagi_joytop: not over here:) |
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| 15:16.55 | Lava_Croft | When I was a kid, my mother always tried to prohibit me from using them in traffic |
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| 15:17.09 | Lava_Croft | now my mother is 60y+ and she uses her iphone+earbuds all the time while cycling |
| 15:17.09 | Aoyagi_joytop | Where's over here? |
| 15:17.15 | Lava_Croft | The Netherlands |
| 15:17.18 | Aoyagi_joytop | Oh. |
| 15:17.28 | tadzik | talk about cycling laws in Netherlands (: |
| 15:17.52 | Lava_Croft | You know whats the worst thing these days? |
| 15:17.57 | MrPingu_TUD | Lava_Croft: You are dutchie? |
| 15:17.57 | Lava_Croft | People using their mobile device while cycling |
| 15:18.06 | Lava_Croft | they just look at the screen and drive, its scary |
| 15:18.10 | Aoyagi_joytop | Well I was forced to throw an egg at this idiot who was driving with some headphones and didn't hear the ambulance behind him :D |
| 15:18.10 | Lava_Croft | MrPingu_TUD: yes |
| 15:18.25 | MrPingu_TUD | Lava_Croft: me too :P |
| 15:18.44 | MrPingu_TUD | Aoyagi_joytop: lol |
| 15:18.45 | Lava_Croft | If you meet someone on the internet and it's not a Finn, Pole or American, it's a safe bet that it's a Dutchie |
| 15:19.07 | MrPingu_TUD | xD |
| 15:19.26 | Aoyagi_joytop | How dare you forget Swedish master race! :3 |
| 15:19.46 | MrPingu_TUD | Hmmm I am reading about a2dp that's not so great :( |
| 15:20.12 | MrPingu_TUD | Would one notice on 320k mp3 directly ripped from original source? |
| 15:20.27 | Aoyagi_joytop | That depends on one's trained ear. |
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| 15:20.55 | MrPingu_TUD | Aoyagi_joytop: I am normal user, not trained I think |
| 15:21.01 | Aoyagi_joytop | Some people can't tell 128 from 320 no matter what are they using to listen with :P |
| 15:21.16 | MrPingu_TUD | However I do hear the difference between mp3 and my flac |
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| 15:21.41 | Lava_Croft | of course you do |
| 15:21.44 | Lava_Croft | mp3 is all crackly |
| 15:21.50 | Lava_Croft | a friend of mine teaches music at a local college |
| 15:21.57 | Lava_Croft | he had a test with his students, about sound quality |
| 15:22.07 | kerio | the difference between a V0 mp3 and a flac can only be heard with a good audio system though |
| 15:22.13 | Lava_Croft | all of his students thought the flac sounded wrong, because it had no 'crackling' like mp3's do |
| 15:22.18 | MrPingu_TUD | kerio: My dad has ^^ |
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| 15:23.16 | MrPingu_TUD | But my question still stands... |
| 15:23.25 | MrPingu_TUD | Is a2dp really that bad? |
| 15:23.26 | kerio | the difference between a CBR mp3 and a flac... meh |
| 15:23.40 | Aoyagi_joytop | Well I don't trust BT in general :D |
| 15:23.42 | kerio | MrPingu_TUD: a2dp in a silent room with high-end a2dp headphones (lol wtf) is bad |
| 15:24.06 | kerio | a2dp while walking on the side of a road is probably as good as a gold-plated cable in the same condition |
| 15:24.09 | MrPingu_TUD | kerio: the train and bus aren't silent rooms, to me |
| 15:24.13 | kerio | indeed :) |
| 15:24.34 | Aoyagi_joytop | Well, I'm gone, later. |
| 15:24.46 | MrPingu_TUD | Aoyagi_joytop: thanks, bye! |
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| 15:26.07 | kerio | wait, what? there's no way to distinguish between a CBR128 mp3 and a CBR320 mp3 when you're hearing through a walkie talkie |
| 15:26.19 | kerio | oh, some people *can't* |
| 15:26.19 | kerio | i see |
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| 15:32.45 | MrPingu_TUD | Another one, how well goes browsing via wifi + BT headphones, given they both use the same piece of HW |
| 15:33.15 | kerio | MrPingu_TUD: forget about it |
| 15:33.41 | MrPingu_TUD | kerio: in what wya? |
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| 15:33.45 | MrPingu_TUD | *way |
| 15:33.57 | kerio | MrPingu_TUD: bluetooth *and* wifi is a nope |
| 15:34.46 | MrPingu_TUD | :( |
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| 16:18.18 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: dude, they had to ask me first :) |
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| 16:40.36 | kerio | my phone was 4 seconds behind the right time |
| 16:40.37 | kerio | wtf |
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| 17:24.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: well, feell happy then that you've been online |
| 17:24.25 | kerio | i'm happy :3 |
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| 17:25.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | I had cloaks I had 4 weeks of coordination headache until they were set |
| 17:28.46 | kerio | why is it Maemo in caps, btw? |
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| 17:30.09 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo is Maemo maemo.org is maemo.org |
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| 17:49.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: ??? |
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| 18:26.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
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| 20:50.08 | NeutrinoPower | hi, do someone use qtirreco? it cannot download the remote-database and I don't understand the workaround: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1143948&postcount=585 "You can install the deb with dpkg --unpack qtirreco_fix.deb" but were is the .deb-file? |
| 20:50.32 | kerio | NeutrinoPower: pierogi |
| 20:50.53 | NeutrinoPower | ok, I will try it |
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| 21:07.48 | este| | hey doods |
| 21:08.21 | NeutrinoPower | pierogi is awesome! but I clicked on "Advanced Settings" and can't exit from this, after restart of this applications only this tab appears ... |
| 21:09.31 | NeutrinoPower | ah, it is back |
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| 21:15.54 | kerio | vi_: oh you |
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| 21:27.58 | Ken-Young | Is there a way, from the command line, to get an N900 to print out the full list of phone contacts as a comma separated list? |
| 21:32.15 | vi_ | Ken-Young: not an easy way if that is what you mean. |
| 21:32.45 | vi_ | You can access the phone book via dbus if you install an extra package. |
| 21:33.00 | vi_ | or you could try dumping the database. |
| 21:33.44 | Ken-Young | vi_ OK, thanks |
| 21:39.36 | kerio | isn't it an evolution-data-server thing? |
| 21:40.37 | Ken-Young | kerio, Who are you asking? |
| 21:40.49 | kerio | everyone |
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| 21:56.22 | ShadowJK | should try find way to record ir signals sent by his stuff |
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| 23:43.42 | NeutrinoPower | is it possible to add the opus audio-codec to maemo media-player (gstreamer?)? |
| 23:44.58 | NeutrinoPower | ah http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87610 |
| 23:48.52 | NeutrinoPower | http://dummdida.blogspot.de/2012/09/opus-nowsoon-in-gstreamer-plugins-bad.html |
