| 00:00.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | they are extremely rare, and no, it's probably not easy at all to unlock them |
| 00:00.13 | SpeedEvil | procedure varies by phone |
| 00:00.46 | SpeedEvil | the simlock will be in the modems store age, not the application processor |
| 00:01.09 | ShadowJK | There's a menu entry for it in N900 |
| 00:01.18 | ShadowJK | in settings -> phone, iirc |
| 00:01.31 | ShadowJK | or maybe even in settings -> (dropdown menu) |
| 00:02.25 | SpeedEvil | oh! |
| 00:02.33 | SpeedEvil | missed that |
| 00:02.53 | ShadowJK | it wasn't there in PR1.0 |
| 00:04.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://allegro.pl/listing.php/search?buy=4&category=4978&change_view=1&sg=0&string=n900 |
| 00:04.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's in settings menu iirc |
| 00:05.13 | Aoyagi | So is there a way to tell if it's a HK phone when I get my hands on it? |
| 00:05.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | right button in settings main menu |
| 00:05.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, disassemble it and if your hands are black after that then it's a HK device |
| 00:06.12 | Aoyagi | hah |
| 00:06.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't buy HK |
| 00:06.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's always same seller and known to sell crap |
| 00:07.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | while those Polish devices allegedly are real new ones |
| 00:08.58 | Aoyagi | Hah, this reseller: "this phone has too few applications, MMS service is missing, the firmware is unfinished" |
| 00:09.47 | Aoyagi | DocScrutinizer51: So there isn't some fine print on the phone saying "this was made in HK business offhours, don't buy it" |
| 00:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, all N900 are made in Hungary or Finland iirc |
| 00:11.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | the HK ones are used refurbished ones, poorly refurbished |
| 00:11.26 | Aoyagi | Oh yes, that was before Nokia still had some presence in Finland. |
| 00:11.35 | Aoyagi | I mean |
| 00:11.47 | Aoyagi | WHEN they had some presence in Finland |
| 00:12.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | there *might* even be original N900 'made in Hongkong'. Dunno |
| 00:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that doesn't really mean a thing |
| 00:12.59 | Aoyagi | Yeah |
| 00:13.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not about where they been made |
| 00:13.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's about where from they are shipped now |
| 00:14.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd suggest you go for a german, austrian, polish(?), or UK one |
| 00:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | or czech one if you can find |
| 00:14.51 | Aoyagi | Mreh, I don't really trust the yokels here. |
| 00:16.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://fonecases4u.com/keypad-for-nokia-n900-mobile-phone-black-qwerty-replacement-P1330682.aspx |
| 00:17.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang 5GBP, should order 5 |
| 00:18.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Aoyagi: you might be more lucky by searching ebay for a week or two, until there's a bluefon24 one |
| 00:19.37 | Aoyagi | mreh, I'll manage |
| 00:19.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, welcome here. And c u l8r o/ |
| 00:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | heads out |
| 00:20.01 | Aoyagi | Oh, thanks and thanks for the tips, etc :) |
| 00:23.03 | Aoyagi | And it's time for me to hit the bed, see you around. |
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| 00:24.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr, actually... ShadowJK what keymat had that phone of bluefon you got from me? |
| 00:25.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | was that qwerty? or sth completely weird? |
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| 02:17.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack |
| 02:17.15 | infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 10:10.00 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: hey |
| 10:10.05 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: 2 things... |
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| 10:11.12 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: first; I don't know if reggie is willing to continue running tmo, I asked him some time ago about and had no response |
| 10:11.50 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: second; I want to move my / but some things do not copy properly |
| 10:12.37 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: setting up grub2 worked flawlessly from within my running system but I don't know how to move hardlinks from scratchbox properly |
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| 11:09.09 | kerio | is 46 wakeups/s bad? |
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| 11:40.49 | Macer | you know nokia is fail when they start selling their phones at radio shack |
| 11:43.18 | Aoyagi | Because RadioShack is an evil large corporation? |
| 11:44.43 | kerio | Aoyagi: because americans have no idea that nokia used to make all kinds of phones |
| 11:44.55 | kerio | and selling cheap phones is not necessarily a bad things |
| 11:45.02 | kerio | *a bad thing |
| 11:45.04 | Aoyagi | Oh I think 3310 is quite famous even among derpmuricans :) |
| 11:47.01 | Lava_Croft | Nokia as a brand is percieved differently in the US as opposed to Europe |
| 11:47.08 | Aoyagi | But Nokia doesn't seem to care about anything else than brown-nosing Microsoft and maaaybe selling some Ashas. |
| 11:48.24 | kerio | >elop |
| 11:48.34 | Aoyagi | Pretty much... |
| 11:48.36 | Lava_Croft | Elop is good to blame for everything |
| 11:48.54 | Aoyagi | Yes, the global warming is his fault, of course. |
| 11:49.25 | Lava_Croft | OPK did much more damage to Nokia than Elop |
| 11:49.53 | Aoyagi | He did? |
| 11:50.15 | Lava_Croft | He is responsible for leaving Nokia to Elop in it's current state |
| 11:51.17 | Aoyagi | I thought he received an offer he couldn't refuse. |
| 11:51.20 | Lava_Croft | Under his leadership Nokia wasn't able to put out a real competitor to the iPhone |
| 11:51.27 | kerio | the n900! |
| 11:51.31 | Aoyagi | !!! |
| 11:52.01 | kerio | !!!!!!!!!1!1 |
| 11:52.05 | kerio | Aoyagi: did you buy one yet |
| 11:52.15 | Aoyagi | Not yet, will take time... |
| 11:52.32 | Aoyagi | I don't think it was about 'competition' directly with phones. From what I've seen, it was a purely marketing thing. |
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| 11:53.10 | Aoyagi | 'Look, we have a weird guy in a turtle neck, buy our crapphy phones!" |
| 11:53.16 | Aoyagi | People: K. |
| 11:53.18 | kerio | the first iphone was a pretty awful thing, yes |
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| 12:21.04 | kerio | deepy\SIGSEGV: did you fix your n900 eventually? |
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| 12:32.21 | Pali | maemo5 has no GUI option for "remember wifi password for EAP/TTLS+GTC auth" |
| 12:32.48 | Pali | really annoying if I must enter password every time when connecting to wifi |
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| 12:33.33 | Pali | I found that password can be stored to gconf key /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/%s/EAP_GTC_passcode and then proprietary eapd daemon can use it |
| 12:34.47 | Pali | I'd like to see *working* daemon which can connect to any network |
| 12:34.59 | Pali | also on desktop, NetworkManager is not good solution |
| 12:35.27 | Pali | is there *any* normal and working network daemon? |
| 12:35.57 | Skry | connman is geared towards embedded use, but I think it lacks extensive gui atm |
| 12:36.34 | Pali | Skry, I can use anything working for my desktop |
| 12:37.10 | Pali | text file configuration is still better then non-working app |
| 12:38.03 | Pali | NetworkManager has support for TTLS+GTC, but for unknown reason in both gnome & kde GUI is missing GTC checkbox |
| 12:39.29 | kerio | Pali: wicd maybe? |
| 12:39.34 | Pali | and funny is my patch for KDE4 network-manager GUI for GTC chechbox: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-December/006516.html |
| 12:39.54 | Pali | kerio, has wicd support for *system* profiles? |
| 12:40.08 | Pali | e.g. autoconnect to wifi without need to start some X application |
| 12:41.27 | Pali | what I need is: Start notebook and be sure that it connect to some preconfigured wifi network in range without need to login as some user |
| 12:43.02 | Skry | Pali: netcfg in arch does just that amongst other things, it's a bunch of scripts. I dont know if it is available and/or adapted to any other ditros though |
| 12:43.45 | Skry | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Netcfg |
| 12:44.45 | Pali | Skry, is that netcfg connecting to wifi network automatically? |
| 12:44.45 | Skry | wicd is also good, but iirc it is not maintained anymore |
| 12:44.50 | Skry | yes |
| 12:44.59 | Skry | if you configure it to do so |
| 12:45.33 | Pali | so then it have to daemon (not only shell script) |
| 12:46.54 | Skry | it uses wpa_actiond for automatic / roaming support |
| 12:47.24 | Pali | Skry, is there also support for ethernet 802.1X authentification? |
| 12:47.36 | Skry | no idea |
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| 12:49.45 | Skry | anyway, it's just a bunch of scripts to wrap around the usual command line tools for networking to make it easy to setup networking in minimalistic way |
| 12:50.03 | Pali | ok, I will look at it |
| 12:50.26 | Pali | thanks! |
| 12:50.35 | Skry | np |
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| 13:10.13 | kerio | oh joy, my mother spilled some coffee on her laptop |
| 13:11.19 | Hurrian | whelp. at least that isn't acidic. |
| 13:11.46 | Hurrian | but meh, too much trouble to clean that up. |
| 13:11.52 | kerio | Hurrian: indeed |
| 13:12.17 | kerio | and it's a macbook, so beyond removing battery and hard drive, i'm worried that i'll do more damage than the coffee by disassembling it |
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| 13:14.51 | kerio | luckily i had a tri-wing screwdriver and a torx screwdriver so at least i was able to do *something* |
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| 13:17.09 | Hurrian | ouch, expensive. |
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| 13:19.27 | kerio | nah, they didn't cost a lot |
| 13:19.33 | kerio | 15€ for both, iirc |
| 13:19.45 | kerio | >:D |
| 13:22.45 | Hurrian | I meant the macbook. Hope it still has Applecare or something. |
| 13:23.01 | kerio | well, it wasn't a lot of coffee, so maybe the liquid sensors weren't tripped |
| 13:23.05 | kerio | anyway, still works fine apparently |
| 13:23.06 | kerio | so idk |
| 13:23.25 | Hurrian | Does it smell like coffee? |
| 13:23.35 | Hurrian | Well, at least it wasn't OJ. |
| 13:23.43 | kerio | Hurrian: it does |
| 13:24.35 | kerio | ouch, optical drive not working |
| 13:24.53 | Hurrian | uh-oh. power down now, and dry the whole thing. |
| 13:24.55 | kerio | and the disks come out coated in coffee |
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| 13:25.17 | Hurrian | kerio, did the owner make any effort to lap up said coffee in disc? |
| 13:25.18 | kerio | how the fuck am i supposed to dry it |
| 13:25.48 | Hurrian | disassemble it. |
| 13:26.01 | Hurrian | actually, I think that the disc drive may have went potato. |
| 13:26.12 | kerio | i already did it, disassembling the optical drive involves a satanic ritual |
| 13:26.14 | Hurrian | lasers don't like being damaged electically. |
| 13:27.12 | kerio | apparently the subwoofer sits on it and the antennas for wifi and bluetooth ride around it |
| 13:27.17 | kerio | so HELL NAW, i'm not touching that |
| 13:27.36 | Hurrian | if the logic board is reasonably uncaffeinated, you can prolly get away with replacing the drive |
| 13:27.41 | kerio | indeed |
| 13:27.49 | kerio | i actually have a spare optical drive for macbooks laying around |
| 13:28.11 | kerio | but i feel that if i actually installed it, she wouldn't learn to keep her coffee away from her laptop |
| 13:28.36 | Hurrian | quick question, did the event occur with Starbucks brand coffee? |
| 13:28.51 | Hurrian | or did it happen in a coffee shop of sorts |
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| 13:29.21 | kerio | oh right, i forgot that the rest of the world doesn't know what a proper coffee is |
| 13:29.28 | kerio | Hurrian: think a starbucks espresso |
| 13:29.35 | kerio | so it's actually very little coffee |
| 13:30.04 | Hurrian | technically, a frappawhappamasachino with extra cream. |
| 13:30.18 | kerio | and it happened like 10 minutes ago in our house |
| 13:30.48 | Hurrian | I guess what complicates the situation is the rubber that makes the discs sit nicely when slot loaded must've sucked up some of that. |
| 13:30.54 | kerio | yep :D |
| 13:30.57 | Hurrian | Oh, and the disc slot motors. |
| 13:31.00 | kerio | and i have no idea how to even access that |
| 13:31.06 | Hurrian | They must be drenched. |
| 13:31.55 | kerio | the felt thing definetely is |
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| 13:50.52 | kerio | Hurrian: neat, the optical drive actually works apparently |
| 13:51.04 | Hurrian | kerio, drained it? |
| 13:51.19 | kerio | just tried multiple times with a disc, cleaning it as it came out |
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| 14:03.30 | kerio | the keyboard has a couple of stuck keys, but it still hasn't drained properly i think |
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| 16:17.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | espresso? forget it, without cleaning it's dead tomorrow |
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| 16:21.12 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's mostly dead right now actually :( |
| 16:22.01 | kerio | oh well, maybe we can try to abuse the extended warranty to get free repairs |
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| 16:24.31 | ShadowJK | I forget, what do I need for ssh pubkey login to user on n900 to work? |
| 16:24.59 | ShadowJK | oh |
| 16:25.03 | ShadowJK | silly me |
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| 16:25.24 | ShadowJK | was in a term on pc that was already logged in on n900, trying to ssh n900 |
| 16:25.39 | ON900 | hello |
| 16:26.46 | kerio | hi |
| 16:27.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: hehe |
| 16:27.08 | kerio | bye |
| 16:27.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: when you say "cleaning", you mean...?^ |
| 16:28.04 | kerio | disassembly everything then clean with water then clean with distilled water then dunk in alcohol? |
| 16:28.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | disassemble, REMOVE BATTERY(!!), rinse thoroughly with clear water, then with ethanol, dry, dry, dry again |
| 16:28.35 | kerio | yeah, that procedure stops at "disassemble" |
| 16:28.51 | kerio | because apple |
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| 16:29.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | even before, since now it's too late |
| 16:29.04 | OHN900 | hey again |
| 16:29.12 | kerio | hi again |
| 16:29.20 | OHN900 | quick question.. |
| 16:30.05 | OHN900 | lets say i have an application that i wanna edit some menu text and stuff |
| 16:30.13 | OHN900 | any ideas? |
| 16:30.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | depends |
| 16:31.01 | OHN900 | on? |
| 16:31.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | a lot of things. I'm busy, but I'm sure others here will mention *.po, and scratchbox, and hexedit |
| 16:32.05 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you're always busy! :( |
| 16:32.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I'm not really a good councilor |
| 16:33.00 | OHN900 | heh well where do i find the .po files? |
| 16:33.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course because I'm a grumpy old fart |
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| 16:34.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'd probably better tell the name of that ap. since it also depends on it being a Qt app, or a GTK app, or wtf-else-app |
| 16:35.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | bbl |
| 16:35.20 | OHN900 | its piergo |
| 16:36.00 | OHN900 | pierogi* |
| 16:36.57 | kerio | OHN900: well, it's opensource |
| 16:37.21 | kerio | OHN900: grab the source, change the changeable, recompile |
| 16:37.58 | OHN900 | okay..where would i find the source? |
| 16:38.09 | OHN900 | repo? |
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| 16:42.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 16:42.38 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 16:43.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell OHN900 about pkg |
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| 17:23.04 | Sicelo | really interesting that Nokia is willing to give financial assistance for the move to Hildon Foundation |
| 17:27.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? |
| 17:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia should be happy to 'be allowed' to show that they care. Otherwise it's not unlikely that some class action would be pending, since they basically discontinue support they implicitly sold with their products only 2 years ago |
| 17:32.09 | Sicelo | i suppose you are right. the legal aspect of the whole affair isn't so understandable to me |
| 17:32.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are several cases at court been decided that all say a customer has a _right_ to expect a reasonable timespan of support from manufacturer for a product he bought, even after warranty expires |
| 17:33.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | depending on sales price this timespan may easily exceed 5 years, during which manufacturer is supposed to keep up web services, offer repair service, etc |
| 17:34.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | think of a car you buy, costs 120k-bucks. after 6 months they tell you: spark plugs for this model aren't built anymore, you can basically shredder it |
| 17:35.11 | Sicelo | heh :p |
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| 17:36.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | unlike USA we got some rights regarding this, here in EU |
| 17:38.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | in USA aiui they can sell you any crap that breaks down after 3 months, and they laugh in your face and tell you "so what, but at least the manual warned you to not dry your cat in the microwave oven - we didn't promise it will last forever though" |
| 17:38.18 | kerio | united states of america, the land of the free corporations |
| 17:39.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | in EU (at least in Germany) we got 24 months of *warranty* by law |
| 17:40.50 | kerio | i think it's a european thing |
| 17:40.57 | kerio | it's the same in italy, at least |
| 17:41.29 | Sicelo | hmm, i think africa suffers from the fate of the USA |
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| 17:54.21 | freemangordon | BTW there is mobile operator here in Bulgaria who still sells n900 |
| 17:54.43 | freemangordon | with contract and such |
| 17:55.20 | freemangordon | and 2 years of warranty of course :) |
| 17:55.49 | Sicelo | lol |
| 17:56.25 | freemangordon | Nokia just cannot shut the circus down and say - naah, we don't care. MNOs will eat them alive |
| 17:56.51 | RST38h | BTW, freemangordon, Opera is crashing again when started from the desktop |
| 17:57.07 | RST38h | Looks like the issue is limited to using cell data connection though |
| 17:57.22 | RST38h | Deleting browser.js does not appear to help |
| 17:57.25 | freemangordon | RST38h: deffinitely |
| 17:57.34 | freemangordon | when on wifi it is OK |
| 17:57.56 | RST38h | What is it? Can it be fixed? |
| 17:58.15 | RST38h | 'Cause it has become a serious hassle =( |
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| 17:58.50 | SpeedEvil | freemangordon: really? |
| 17:58.52 | freemangordon | RST38h: NFC. And TBH I am not interested in fixing the next closed source crap. Given this is labeled 'beta' |
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| 17:59.15 | SpeedEvil | freemangordon: I'd be mildly interested in where they are' getting stuck |
| 17:59.38 | RST38h | freemangordon: Well, it worked before. It does not work now. So, the ball appears to be in the CSSU court, doesn't it? |
| 17:59.47 | freemangordon | And having in mind we have a guy wotking for opera hanging on #maemo :P |
| 17:59.54 | freemangordon | RST38h: not related to CSSU |
| 18:00.04 | RST38h | Hmm, never happened here |
| 18:00.07 | freemangordon | it behaves in the same way on stock |
| 18:00.39 | freemangordon | RST38h: read the thread on TMO, no matter what - PR1.3 or CSSU, it is the same |
| 18:00.55 | RST38h | well, Opera did not crash on PR1.3 for me |
| 18:01.04 | RST38h | it does not crash when started from xterm either |
| 18:01.15 | RST38h | in fact, it did notcrash with earlier CSSUs |
| 18:01.22 | freemangordon | RST38h: it does not crash when started from terminal here too |
| 18:01.45 | RST38h | so, all fingers appear to be pointing to maemo-desktop in the latest CSSUs |
| 18:01.58 | freemangordon | RST38h: I am on "earlier" CSSU, -thumb has not been updated since,ummm..., september? |
| 18:02.08 | RST38h | which is not closed-source, is part of CSSU, etc |
| 18:03.16 | freemangordon | RST38h: it is not CSSU, opera started crashing by middle or end of october. CSSU-thumb is one month older |
| 18:03.25 | RST38h | hm |
| 18:03.36 | Sicelo | which opera are we talking about? |
| 18:03.42 | freemangordon | 12 |
| 18:03.47 | RST38h | so you are saying it is their last update? |
| 18:04.20 | freemangordon | RST38h: no, the must have changed something on the server side |
| 18:04.44 | RST38h | hmm |
| 18:04.54 | RST38h | But I disabled server-based optimizations |
| 18:05.29 | freemangordon | RST38h: so what |
| 18:05.38 | freemangordon | are you sure you know what opera does? |
| 18:05.48 | Sicelo | never worked at all for me. i went back to 11 |
| 18:06.06 | RST38h | not really |
| 18:07.30 | freemangordon | 03.11.2012 - 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo5.1+thumb4 |
| 18:07.42 | freemangordon | the first report afaik is that http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1292503&postcount=1321 |
| 18:07.54 | freemangordon | 11-10-2012 |
| 18:08.00 | freemangordon | RST38h: ^^^ |
| 18:08.21 | freemangordon | oops, that is 10-11-2012 |
| 18:08.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | that is a fsckng bogus format, nothing else |
| 18:09.52 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, but thumb update date is in dd-mm-yyyy format, so I should puth the first report in the same format for easier comparison |
| 18:09.59 | freemangordon | *put |
| 18:10.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | either use proper ISO date format like 2012-11-10, or ... well there's no alternative |
| 18:10.47 | freemangordon | anyway, opera started to crash a week after the last -thumb update |
| 18:11.07 | freemangordon | not to say that last -testing was months before that |
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| 18:13.01 | freemangordon | RST38h: opera downloads a shitload of scripts and whatnot, no matter if you use server-side processing or not |
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| 18:20.14 | ShadowJK | it stopped crashing for me a week or two ago |
| 18:20.18 | kerio | ditto |
| 18:21.29 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: laptop doesn't turn on anymore \_o_/ |
| 18:24.29 | ShadowJK | My father's laptop's hd died yesterday. I've never seen a drive cting so weird, and have so much damaged data while stillhaving some readable data |
| 18:24.40 | ShadowJK | about 30-50% bad |
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| 18:25.13 | ShadowJK | And some of the bad causes drive to stop responding for 5 minutes, then it starts reporting unreadable for the entire drive and changes to report capacity as 0 |
| 18:27.04 | vi_ | kerio: are you referring to opera 12? |
| 18:27.08 | kerio | vi_: yep |
| 18:27.20 | kerio | vi_: also, how do i silence osso-suw for good? |
| 18:27.47 | vi_ | kerio: apt-get purge <YOUR APPZ HERE> |
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| 18:27.59 | kerio | vi_: some dude did that, and it didn't boot anymore |
| 18:28.00 | kerio | or something |
| 18:28.14 | vi_ | that was r00t |
| 18:28.28 | kerio | vi_: anyway, i deleted as-* and *activesync* and i feel better about it :3 |
| 18:28.41 | RST38h | ShadowJK:Sounds like controller problem |
| 18:28.53 | vi_ | and he did not purge it. he just put an 'exit' in the middle of the xsession script that caused x to abort loading. |
| 18:29.19 | vi_ | thus caused the device to no longer but. |
| 18:30.12 | vi_ | In my case, I have purged it and put in a dialogue that asks for the time as a string of numbers. Much faster ro start up. |
| 18:30.28 | kerio | vi_: btw, have you tested it? |
| 18:31.01 | vi_ | http://pastebin.com/WYUcQbHh |
| 18:31.10 | vi_ | WFM |
| 18:31.13 | vi_ | YMMV |
| 18:31.30 | kerio | date 201212011930 doesn't work for me |
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| 18:32.36 | vi_ | edithttp://pastebin.com/aB5kqpwV |
| 18:32.46 | vi_ | http://pastebin.com/aB5kqpwV |
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| 18:33.25 | r00t|home | vi_: my ntpdate event.d script is working fine, btw |
| 18:33.29 | kerio | vi_: can't you touch that /var/dont_start_suw? |
| 18:33.39 | vi_ | that is my /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30osso_startup_wizard. |
| 18:33.43 | vi_ | ker |
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| 18:33.52 | vi_ | kerio: probably. |
| 18:34.08 | r00t|home | vi_: http://pastebin.com/CCuMgLkX |
| 18:34.25 | vi_ | r00t|home: can you pastebinit so I can see? |
| 18:34.33 | kerio | vi_: hell, just remove that thing |
| 18:35.00 | kerio | vi_: it belongs to osso-startup-wizard anyway |
| 18:35.21 | r00t|home | vi_: hah! |
| 18:35.35 | vi_ | kerio: i have not fully read what it does with locales. |
| 18:35.54 | vi_ | I am happy with my solution. |
| 18:36.16 | vi_ | I encourage you to create something more elegant. |
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| 18:36.34 | kerio | r00t|home: where do you get ntpdate? |
| 18:36.35 | vi_ | r00t|home: cheers! you read my mind! |
| 18:37.00 | r00t|home | kerio: i installed the deb from debian-arm i think |
| 18:37.12 | kerio | i like the cut of your jib |
| 18:37.33 | r00t|home | wget http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/nokia770/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/system-tools/ntpdate_4.2.0a+stable-9_armel.deb |
| 18:37.51 | r00t|home | not debian arm, but from 770 instead of n900 |
| 18:38.00 | kerio | hm |
| 18:38.24 | vi_ | r00t|home: so it waits till you get a net connection and then updates the time? |
| 18:38.24 | Sicelo | there's a location with an N900 ntpdate.. i forget which one |
| 18:38.27 | Sicelo | :-/ |
| 18:38.43 | kerio | anyway, does the ntpd in openntpd force the time update even with a big delay? |
| 18:39.22 | kerio | ohoho, busybox-power has ntpd |
| 18:39.27 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: and it even supports -q! |
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| 18:40.16 | vi_ | kerio: oh didnt you know? bb-p is a bit better! |
| 18:40.26 | kerio | vi_: i meant compared to ntpd from the repos |
| 18:42.24 | r00t|home | vi_: it waits until a defaultroute is present, and then runs ntpdate until the date isn't in 2000 anymore |
| 18:42.39 | r00t|home | vi_: could use some fixing to be more elegant, but works as-is |
| 18:44.59 | vi_ | r00t|home: I like it. |
| 18:45.10 | r00t|home | also not sure if mounts_ok is the best condition to hook it on, that is just copied from elsewhere... there should be something for network_up or so |
| 18:45.14 | kerio | i think that busybox's ntpd doesn't care about big offsets |
| 18:45.38 | r00t|home | kerio: busybox has ntpDEAMON, but not ntpdate? |
| 18:45.54 | kerio | r00t|home: ntpd -dnq -p pool.ntp.org |
| 18:45.57 | r00t|home | i don't see a point in running ntpd on a phone... unless it has a one-shot mode |
| 18:46.18 | r00t|home | ok, so i could uninstall ntpdate and use that instead... |
| 18:46.20 | kerio | -d for verbose, -n for don't daemonize, -q for quit after once |
| 18:46.34 | kerio | i kinda like it running as a daemon, just 'cause |
| 18:48.31 | Sicelo | i have a script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ that runs ntpdate |
| 18:48.48 | r00t|home | another solution, heh |
| 18:49.18 | Sicelo | my N900 isn't always online |
| 18:49.25 | kerio | i wonder if it'll fix a several-hours delay |
| 18:49.33 | r00t|home | that's why i wouldn't use deamon-mode |
| 18:49.53 | kerio | so? ntpd is not heavy at all |
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| 18:49.57 | kerio | it'll just try once in a while |
| 18:50.18 | r00t|home | my issue is the dead rtc backup battery, so i just wanted to get the clock fixed automatically on boot |
| 18:50.49 | r00t|home | (i'd much rather replace the battery, but haven't found conclusive info on if/how that can be done) |
| 18:52.00 | kerio | open n900, remove battery, put in new battery, ??? |
| 18:52.07 | r00t|home | if i replace the battery real quick, like <3s, the clock keeps running... but that only works if it isn't already drained completely |
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| 18:52.23 | r00t|home | kerio: the BACKUP BATTERY for the rtc, it's soldered on the pcb somewhere |
| 18:52.39 | kerio | i don't see where my instructions are wrong |
| 18:52.46 | r00t|home | kerio: i know neither the exact loation, nor a known working replacement type |
| 18:52.59 | r00t|home | kerio: there is a forum thread on it, but it seems nobody tried yet |
| 18:53.19 | Sicelo | talk to DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 18:58.45 | ShadowJK | RST38h; possibly |
| 18:59.26 | ShadowJK | RST38h; but hd firmwares (and ssd) is usually so buggy they always end up doing random crap when drive starts failing |
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| 19:04.16 | kerio | vi_: am i a bad enough dude to delete osso-startup-wizard? |
| 19:04.28 | vi_ | I was. |
| 19:04.40 | vi_ | make a backup you fool! |
| 19:04.48 | fastlane` | what does osso stand for? |
| 19:04.58 | ShadowJK | vi_; i do, others don't :) |
| 19:05.07 | ShadowJK | fastlane`; open source software operations |
| 19:05.26 | fastlane` | ty shadow |
| 19:05.28 | r00t|home | osso = bone |
| 19:05.34 | SiceloDeb | lol |
| 19:05.34 | vi_ | fastlane`: closed source. |
| 19:05.41 | ShadowJK | The smelly linux nerds that used to be locked up in Nokia's basement |
| 19:05.52 | fastlane` | ok i'm confused |
| 19:06.01 | fastlane` | now there r 3 definitions and i'm not sure which one is the truth |
| 19:06.25 | kerio | fastlane`: vi_ is trolling |
| 19:06.34 | fastlane` | :o |
| 19:06.34 | kerio | r00t|home isn't referring to the same "osso" you're referring to |
| 19:06.36 | ShadowJK | It was the name of nokia's linux division before it got the maemo name, afaik |
| 19:06.41 | fastlane` | no i'm not at all |
| 19:06.54 | kerio | fastlane`: reread what i said |
| 19:07.02 | r00t|home | well, osso happens to mean bone in many languages with latin roots... it's probably not what nokia intendes, but it's funny nontheless |
| 19:07.17 | fastlane` | sorry i'm dyslexic kerio :( |
| 19:07.22 | r00t|home | *intended |
| 19:07.58 | fastlane` | but there r lots of thing not open source in fremantle -__- |
| 19:08.29 | fastlane` | things* |
| 19:08.40 | r00t|home | there are also things non-free in free-mantle... |
| 19:08.51 | fastlane` | true |
| 19:10.49 | kerio | it's "fremantle" |
| 19:11.25 | r00t|home | it's also "osso" |
| 19:12.40 | fastlane` | hmm |
| 19:13.39 | fastlane` | so about cssu .. does that allow the device to be used completely without a keyboard? or is it planned for future? |
| 19:13.54 | r00t|home | why? |
| 19:14.00 | fastlane` | just asking |
| 19:14.25 | r00t|home | why would/should that be a goal for anybody? |
| 19:15.03 | fastlane` | maybe if fremantle is flashed on some other hardware and it actually runs and that device doesnt have keyboard |
| 19:15.56 | r00t|home | i wouldn't assume this stuff to be in any way portable |
| 19:16.19 | fastlane` | on any compatible arm hardware you think? |
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| 19:18.49 | r00t|home | flash maemo on an android phone? ;) |
| 19:19.32 | fastlane` | yes :) |
| 19:19.41 | fastlane` | maybe |
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| 20:31.47 | kerio | hahah some dude on tmo said he sold his n900 for 27$ |
| 20:31.54 | kerio | i have no idea how that makes sense |
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| 20:35.06 | ShadowJK | Would be different if "Lankku" had made it |
| 20:35.29 | kerio | for fuck's sake, in some occasions i spent more for my lunch |
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| 20:41.59 | FIQ | i wouldn't mind buying a N900 for $27 |
| 20:43.29 | vi_ | kerio: he is a troll. |
| 20:43.40 | vi_ | possibly estel. |
| 20:43.52 | vi_ | but I have not read enough to see. |
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| 20:45.21 | fastlane` | i wud buy an n900 for that anytime |
| 20:46.27 | fastlane` | but i saw a chinese made replica for n900, that was for $30 for new |
| 20:46.41 | kerio | chinese replica = not a n900 |
| 20:46.53 | kerio | that means that you saw a bulky chinese phone for $30 |
| 20:47.15 | fastlane` | true, the replica is not even n900, its some bogus os or something inside it |
| 20:47.59 | fastlane` | no it was ditto n900 from the luks of it, the slider and camera luk from outside, pretty much the same |
| 20:48.38 | fastlane` | once turned on though, u can see what the quality is like |
| 20:48.47 | fastlane` | u can see eevry pixel distincly :D |
| 20:49.00 | FIQ | what os did it run? :p |
| 20:49.08 | FIQ | some weird home-made one or generic android stuff? |
| 20:49.11 | fastlane` | the shop owner had no idea |
| 20:49.14 | FIQ | (as most things do) |
| 20:49.21 | fastlane` | maybe, dont know |
| 20:49.56 | kerio | i suppose we can thank google for the consolidation of the cheap chinese phones' OS |
| 20:49.57 | fastlane` | i should go back to that shop and make a little video of it booting, am curious if it even had a home screen |
| 20:50.16 | FIQ | hell, they could even just have thrown in meego in it, it's open source after all |
| 20:50.35 | FIQ | and then people might actually have bought it, even for the low quality :p |
| 20:50.43 | fastlane` | but then the cost would have gone up, at $30 dont know the hardware would have been good enough. |
| 20:50.56 | fastlane` | for meego ie. |
| 20:51.44 | FIQ | kerio: I don't mind tbh, at least that makes the phones slighty usable (unlike how they usually are lol) |
| 20:52.13 | kerio | oh, indeed |
| 20:52.19 | kerio | they used to run some custom-built crap |
| 20:52.25 | FIQ | a friend of me bought a phone like that (he doesn't care as long as it actually works) that ran android |
| 20:52.31 | FIQ | it was actually better than he expected :P |
| 20:52.42 | FIQ | (for the price he paid) |
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| 20:58.08 | fastlane` | you have to be careful buying a used n900, just make sure the microusb is in healthy shape. And i dont know how to make sure of that. |
| 20:58.44 | kerio | ask the seller, pay with paypal |
| 20:58.51 | fastlane` | a friend broke the microusb (it came out) of n900, got it repaired and the repair guy scared him by saying this will only fix once, if u break it again its not going to work again |
| 20:58.56 | kerio | then get a refund |
| 20:59.05 | fastlane` | my friend got it fixed and sold it asap ! |
| 20:59.28 | kerio | ...what? |
| 20:59.47 | kerio | if it's fixed properly, it's *fixed* |
| 21:00.38 | fastlane` | i thought it would, but i dont know the repairing shop guy scared my friend. So he thought before this happens again he wanted to get rid of n900. |
| 21:01.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: you think that fake "phone" could run meego? dream on! |
| 21:02.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc data was like: 8MB RAM, 16MB flash |
| 21:02.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you remember where's that picture of the n900 hanging by the usb cable that... ShadowJK had? |
| 21:02.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, don't recall such picture |
| 21:03.52 | ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/usb_ok.jpg |
| 21:04.11 | kerio | ty |
| 21:04.38 | kerio | that picture always makes me cringe >.< |
| 21:04.59 | vi_ | they use mtk chips |
| 21:05.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 21:05.17 | vi_ | they are epicly under powered and run like shit. |
| 21:05.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | the usual dual-SIM crap |
| 21:05.31 | ShadowJK | this isn't nearly as bad as when I'm in bed and surfing webs on n900 with charge cable connected, and decide to turn over or shift position, and it turns out the charge cable has snagged around some random crap on the floor |
| 21:05.45 | kerio | ShadowJK: you monster >:C |
| 21:05.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix |
| 21:05.59 | infobot | i guess usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 21:06.08 | ShadowJK | The other day I accidentally tripped on the cable too lol |
| 21:06.09 | kerio | i know it's perfectly fine, but still |
| 21:06.10 | fastlane` | omg! |
| 21:06.12 | vi_ | the os is very skinnable and is generally made to look like the timitation on the surface. |
| 21:06.16 | fastlane` | that pic ! |
| 21:06.19 | ShadowJK | for some reason usb has never broken for me |
| 21:06.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ recommended read for *everybody* |
| 21:06.37 | kerio | ShadowJK: so it's not even fixed? D: |
| 21:06.40 | kerio | YOU MONSTER |
| 21:06.55 | kerio | <ShadowJK> i'm scared of breaking my main n900 |
| 21:06.57 | kerio | YOU DON'T SAY |
| 21:07.02 | vi_ | FFS is there anyone left who has NOT soldered their usb port down? |
| 21:07.08 | kerio | raises his hand |
| 21:07.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ol |
| 21:07.16 | ShadowJK | hasn't |
| 21:07.26 | vi_ | please rescind your n900 and gtfo. |
| 21:07.30 | ShadowJK | I'm curious, how do you unplug microusb? |
| 21:07.32 | kerio | no u |
| 21:07.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | carefully |
| 21:08.00 | kerio | ShadowJK: firm grip on the n900, firm grip on the usb *cable* somewhat close to the solid plug part, pull really gently |
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| 21:08.15 | ShadowJK | grabs actual plug |
| 21:08.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually with my fingernails, prying it out by using nails as a lever against the body |
| 21:08.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | case body |
| 21:09.01 | kerio | i was expecting ShadowJK to say "i just grab the usb cord and start spinning it until the n900 detaches and flies around the room" |
| 21:09.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | but meanwhile all my plugs are working really smooth, and no I haven't filed down anything |
| 21:09.30 | ShadowJK | with thumb and finger, like N900|> the > is thumn and finger, then I squeeze so thumn-finger becomes =, my thumn and finger press against N900 case, and plug is removed with minimal sideways force I hope |
| 21:09.47 | ShadowJK | kerio; except for the landing, that's probably a nice strategy |
| 21:09.56 | kerio | IT'S NOT |
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| 21:10.38 | FIQ | vi_> FFS is there anyone left who has NOT soldered their usb port down? |
| 21:10.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | pulling the cable also is a valid strategy |
| 21:11.15 | fastlane` | i havnt n i cant .. i have to go back home miles away for that |
| 21:11.34 | ShadowJK | I wonder how much asymmetric force the locking system being on one side causes |
| 21:12.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | you just should hold the N900 on the small side under the USB plug, next to indicator LED then |
| 21:12.12 | fastlane` | and yes the microusb on my n900 is alreayd damaged, not completely though, i just have to put a lil pressure on it and not use it while charging, like place a lil weight on its connected microusb cable and then it starts charging |
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| 21:12.35 | kerio | fastlane`: ffs, stop using the port immediately |
| 21:12.44 | FIQ | fastlane`: that's like my microUSB currently, but since it became like that, i stopped using it immediately |
| 21:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix |
| 21:12.49 | infobot | methinks usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 21:12.55 | FIQ | unless I really need to |
| 21:13.01 | vi_ | fastlane`: DO NOT touch that port till you can fix it. |
| 21:13.03 | FIQ | slowly walks away |
| 21:13.08 | fastlane` | but i have adapted, now i have vnc on my n900 n laptop, and i use it to access all phone functions when charging |
| 21:13.11 | kerio | FIQ: we're onto you! |
| 21:13.17 | fastlane` | i dont have anyother phone, |
| 21:13.19 | FIQ | fastlane`: |
| 21:13.24 | FIQ | you do NOT want a broken microUSB |
| 21:13.33 | FIQ | ESPECIALLY not now, as they're quite hard to come by |
| 21:13.39 | fastlane` | i should just buy a second hand nokia 1100 then i guess? |
| 21:13.40 | kerio | FIQ: huh? |
| 21:13.47 | vi_ | fastlane`: you will have 0 phones if you do not stop using that port. |
| 21:13.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | fastlane`: what you're doing will inevitably result in a broken USB though |
| 21:13.59 | kerio | the microusb ports are standard, aren't they |
| 21:14.05 | FIQ | kerio: N900s, that is |
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| 21:14.23 | kerio | this reminds me, i should eventually get around to fix my old n900's usb port |
| 21:14.34 | FIQ | fastlane`: (as long as you don't mind changing, that is) |
| 21:14.55 | FIQ | because, have fun finding a n900 replacement otherwise! |
| 21:15.23 | fastlane` | let me show you a photo if i can take it ... |
| 21:15.35 | kerio | also, for some reason the old n900 didn't have a working red camera light |
| 21:15.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | what for? |
| 21:15.52 | kerio | fastlane`: just buy a cheap external charger and use that |
| 21:16.08 | FIQ | fastlane`: My first N900 was like you described, it broke completely after just a month of doing that, but luckily this was like 6 months in n900 release so I got a new N900 from warranty |
| 21:16.21 | vi_ | kerio: or dont. chinese chargers are dangerous shite. |
| 21:16.30 | kerio | vi_: YOLO |
| 21:16.32 | FIQ | now my second one's USB is beginning to fail, I answered by not charging and use an external charger |
| 21:16.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | fix dat USB receptacle, as long as it's still fixable! |
| 21:16.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | FFS |
| 21:17.02 | vi_ | kerio: stfu #SWAG |
| 21:17.05 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: if you can make some connection, it's still fixable, right? |
| 21:17.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually yes |
| 21:17.37 | kerio | vi_: http://i.imgur.com/PO7l4.jpg |
| 21:20.53 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: btw, busybox's ntpd actually has -q to do a oneshot adjustment |
| 21:21.02 | kerio | busybox-power, that is |
| 21:21.32 | FIQ | oh |
| 21:21.37 | FIQ | that is what i've gotten ntpd -q from |
| 21:21.50 | fastlane` | this is how I have to charge it right now .. this little bend on the cable is necessary |
| 21:21.51 | fastlane` | http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/11536992/img/Anonymous/n900microusbprob.png |
| 21:21.54 | merlin1991 | you could also install rdate from therepos and run rdate -n |
| 21:22.03 | merlin1991 | (for the oneshot adjustment |
| 21:22.14 | fastlane` | bad pic taken from webcam |
| 21:22.15 | kerio | merlin1991: i never got rdate to work with ntp servers |
| 21:22.36 | merlin1991 | kerio: you need to use the one from the repos |
| 21:22.37 | FIQ | fastlane`: bad idea |
| 21:22.40 | merlin1991 | not the one by busybox :D |
| 21:22.44 | fastlane` | yea |
| 21:22.56 | FIQ | enjoy the usb port in 1 month |
| 21:23.18 | kerio | deepy: hi! |
| 21:23.27 | deepy | heya |
| 21:23.30 | fastlane` | i'll just listen to you guys i'll try to get tools from some shop if i can find them where i am i dont know the damn city |
| 21:23.33 | kerio | deepy: i'm sorry your nethack clan SUCKED BALLS |
| 21:23.33 | deepy | I'm both awake and not sick now |
| 21:23.45 | deepy | There's no results that says we didn't win :) |
| 21:23.59 | merlin1991 | nethack clan? o_O |
| 21:24.08 | kerio | deepy: http://nethack.devnull.net/tournament/scoreboard.shtml |
| 21:24.20 | kerio | best in show itexplodes, sigsegv in second place |
| 21:24.25 | kerio | merlin1991: nethack clan! |
| 21:24.32 | kerio | for the devnull tournament |
| 21:24.52 | merlin1991 | what excatly is the basis on which you judge player performance in nethack? |
| 21:25.10 | kerio | merlin1991: devnull uses an archaic trophy system, actually |
| 21:25.23 | kerio | you won't believe it, high scores actually count |
| 21:25.42 | kerio | which is why http://gunyoki.net/player/berry this dude always wins the clan competition by itself |
| 21:26.19 | deepy | I think someone counted that if Berry had been a clan, he would'nt have won this year |
| 21:26.47 | kerio | still, devnull is stupid |
| 21:26.51 | kerio | anyway |
| 21:26.54 | kerio | deepy: fixed your n900 yet? |
| 21:26.59 | merlin1991 | kerio: and how are you scored, ascentions over a period of time, or best score within timeframe? |
| 21:27.12 | deepy | Nope, I lack the tools to open it :\ |
| 21:27.16 | kerio | merlin1991: there's a bunch of ways to score points |
| 21:27.56 | deepy | I completed waldo without ever seeing waldo, or the dog |
| 21:28.03 | kerio | ahah |
| 21:28.14 | kerio | merlin1991: devnull has some quirky, and buggy, extra challenges |
| 21:28.34 | deepy | Which just makes it more fun |
| 21:28.43 | deepy | I was dumb enough to accept the pool challenge early |
| 21:28.59 | deepy | no way to push boulders \o/ |
| 21:29.23 | kerio | deepy: apart from the sensor thing, do you like your n900? |
| 21:29.40 | kerio | i'm the guy who told you to buy one, i feel somewhat responsible now |
| 21:30.00 | deepy | apart from the battery usage yeah |
| 21:30.31 | kerio | huh? it doesn't use a lot of battery |
| 21:30.31 | deepy | They managed to update LGs 4X HD so I now have more than a days battery on that one (yay) |
| 21:30.44 | deepy | But it doesn't last me very long either :p |
| 21:30.55 | kerio | but yeah, a little more than a day is what most people get, i think |
| 21:31.07 | deepy | I miss my Sony Ericsson W810i |
| 21:31.14 | deepy | 6 days battery time in general |
| 21:31.34 | kerio | well no kidding, it didn't do anything |
| 21:31.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | only 6 days? |
| 21:31.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I get at least 8 days on my N900 |
| 21:31.47 | deepy | well yeah, I listened to music for 8 hours a day on it |
| 21:31.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: :O |
| 21:32.00 | deepy | 8 days on your N900 eh? |
| 21:32.03 | kerio | i barely get two days |
| 21:32.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | when doing as little as SE W810i *can* do |
| 21:32.11 | deepy | Teach me your ways! |
| 21:32.12 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: not all of us do not use gsm. |
| 21:32.12 | kerio | oh |
| 21:32.14 | kerio | in standby |
| 21:33.11 | deepy | I gotta get started on making apps for it |
| 21:33.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: sure in standby. Do you really believe a W810i could do 6 days of screen backlight? |
| 21:33.16 | vi_ | with all radios off, and a stillsuit in good working order, an n900 can last 10 days in standby in the deep desert. |
| 21:33.39 | deepy | DocScrutinizer05: it could do like 3 days with the screen on |
| 21:33.42 | kerio | turned off, it can do a lot |
| 21:33.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | BWAHAHA |
| 21:33.56 | kerio | deepy: i think doc doesn't believe that |
| 21:34.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | lemme calculate... |
| 21:34.17 | vi_ | kerio: now my pet just died. |
| 21:34.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~1500/(24*3) |
| 21:34.19 | infobot | 20.833333333333 |
| 21:34.31 | kerio | vi_: not literally, i hope |
| 21:34.39 | vi_ | I liked it easier when I could just kill these fucking gnomes. |
| 21:34.42 | deepy | I'm making up numbers there, but while using the phone normally with a lot of screentime you'd still get like 2 days with no problems |
| 21:34.44 | kerio | oh, nethack |
| 21:34.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | 20mA for screen backlight? that's not really bright, but possible (if you power down *everything* else) |
| 21:34.54 | kerio | you can still kill those fucking gnomes |
| 21:35.03 | kerio | you just have the luxury to fight one at a time |
| 21:35.13 | vi_ | but god will get mad. |
| 21:36.00 | vi_ | and I cant see shit down here. |
| 21:36.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: N900 has basically awesome battery life, it just comes with the option to install and run really idiotic battery-hogging apps |
| 21:36.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | like skype |
| 21:36.34 | joga | hmm...but does skype hog battery if not logged in? |
| 21:37.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, if it's installed on your neighbour's desktop, it won't hog your phone's battery |
| 21:37.10 | joga | I get maybe around two days of battery time with minimal usage |
| 21:37.24 | joga | DocScrutinizer05 yeah just meant that is there some background foolery going on |
| 21:37.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | joga: usage != activity |
| 21:37.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, skype is doing a LOT of that background foolery |
| 21:37.59 | joga | so what's the name of the package, apt-get install sensible-power-options? |
| 21:38.10 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: what is wrong with skype? (apart from the obvious) |
| 21:38.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | it runs skyhook or what's the name of that process |
| 21:38.33 | vi_ | joga: you could try battery patch. |
| 21:38.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOOOOOOO! |
| 21:38.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | better try a sledge hammer |
| 21:38.59 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: skyhost. |
| 21:39.13 | joga | no seriously, if you guys have this sorted out, a package would be nice if there's something everyone should do with their phone to get such benefits |
| 21:39.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get uninstall -purge skype |
| 21:39.37 | kerio | joga: it boils down to "all the shit you run reduces you battery life - some things by more than others" |
| 21:39.38 | joga | I've tried to tweak unneccessary stuff out but mostly in terms of usability and performance |
| 21:39.42 | kerio | *your |
| 21:40.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | remove generally all desktop widgets |
| 21:40.21 | joga | I only have one I think, which is nextalarm (or such) |
| 21:40.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't use 3G |
| 21:40.46 | joga | I used to use 2G but after a while noticed it didn't make a very big difference |
| 21:40.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: not even to idle? |
| 21:40.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | exploit the magic of top, powertop, and bq27200.sh |
| 21:40.57 | kerio | without an active connection |
| 21:41.33 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you reckon the n900 would keep looking for my home network once connected to a roaming one? |
| 21:41.52 | joga | when I was dating some girl some time ago her flat had this magical property of draining batteries, I guess it had very poor network in the corner where I had the phone |
| 21:42.12 | joga | went there with full battery, in the morning phone was dead |
| 21:42.13 | joga | :) |
| 21:42.31 | kerio | joga: was she worth it, at least? |
| 21:42.34 | joga | sure |
| 21:42.50 | kerio | life is all about tradeoffs |
| 21:43.03 | ShadowJK | I have some friends who have a cabin on a tiny island in the outer archipelago, N900 burns battery there even on 2g :) |
| 21:43.57 | kerio | do personal gsm/umts repeaters exist? |
| 21:44.01 | vi_ | dont overclock your phone. |
| 21:44.09 | ShadowJK | There's a sold/wind powered byuou based floating celltower some distance away |
| 21:44.16 | joga | DocScrutinizer05 I always try to keep unnecessary stuff to a minimum and have the cpu/mem systray thingy to notify me clearly if something (major) is going on, disabled all unnecessary transition effects etc, but seems there's much more to do then |
| 21:44.29 | ShadowJK | but depending on the seas and the sun/wind, it isn't always operating |
| 21:44.29 | vi_ | or if you must, limit yourself to 720MHz max. |
| 21:44.42 | ShadowJK | and reaching mainland needs like 4W in that case :) |
| 21:44.55 | vi_ | remove cpu/mem thing from systray. |
| 21:45.04 | kerio | vi_: what? :O |
| 21:45.05 | vi_ | uninstall battery eye |
| 21:45.11 | kerio | why? |
| 21:45.17 | vi_ | which one? |
| 21:45.19 | joga | oh damn, I've forgot all about the battery logging thing |
| 21:45.22 | kerio | the systray |
| 21:45.37 | joga | I haven't checked it in urm.. 2 years or so? but I guess it's still logging |
| 21:45.42 | vi_ | 213607 <kerio> joga: it boils down to "all the shit you run reduces you battery life - some things by more than others" |
| 21:46.05 | joga | I like the cpu/mem thing because it informs me to wait |
| 21:46.13 | kerio | vi_: tradeoffs |
| 21:46.16 | joga | and I know if I've pressed an icon or not :) |
| 21:46.19 | vi_ | zactly |
| 21:46.22 | ShadowJK | battery-eye isn't all that power consuming I think |
| 21:46.37 | vi_ | sha |
| 21:46.42 | kerio | the negligible power usage of the systray icon is definetely a good price to pay for the utility |
| 21:46.51 | ShadowJK | I wish iphb was more accessible to devs (is it at all usable to devs?) |
| 21:47.06 | vi_ | ShadowJK: perhaps not, but it causes a bunch of wakeups. |
| 21:47.16 | joga | kerio yeah I'd expect it to not hog anything with the screen off, but wouldn't know for sure |
| 21:47.31 | ShadowJK | If the systray icon updates even when screen is blanked, it'll cut alot of idletime |
| 21:47.45 | joga | why would it update |
| 21:47.45 | kerio | i hope it doesn't |
| 21:47.52 | kerio | i'm getting around 50 wakeups/s when idle |
| 21:48.03 | kerio | is it normal? |
| 21:48.03 | vi_ | what? |
| 21:48.13 | vi_ | that is not even possible. |
| 21:48.31 | kerio | too much? too little? |
| 21:48.47 | vi_ | there is never too little. |
| 21:48.58 | vi_ | but that is very few. |
| 21:49.10 | vi_ | how do you get it so low?? |
| 21:49.16 | kerio | idk man |
| 21:49.25 | kerio | i even have yappari running |
| 21:49.40 | vi_ | joga: screen brightness is a big hog. |
| 21:49.42 | kerio | Total wakeups 1470, 49.0/s |
| 21:49.45 | kerio | for 30 seconds |
| 21:49.56 | kerio | and powertop running on ssh over wifi |
| 21:49.58 | joga | vi_ yeah I have it at a decent level, not minimum though |
| 21:50.20 | vi_ | full brightness screen uses ~150mA |
| 21:50.50 | vi_ | kerio: aaah, ok. I understand now. |
| 21:50.56 | kerio | vi_: ? |
| 21:51.05 | vi_ | I used to be a bit obsessive about wakeups. |
| 21:51.48 | vi_ | Now I ignore then and just go by mA useage as reported by the rather fine bq27x00 script. |
| 21:51.57 | kerio | 11mA right now |
| 21:52.09 | kerio | wifi w/ powersaving, yappari running |
| 21:52.23 | kerio | my n900 actually does very little |
| 21:52.44 | ShadowJK | seems to be at 30mA idle |
| 21:53.39 | joga | checks powertop |
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| 21:54.01 | vi_ | kerio, gsm on. |
| 21:54.14 | kerio | yep |
| 21:54.17 | kerio | or possibly even umts |
| 21:54.26 | kerio | both with good reception though |
| 21:54.56 | joga | umm... why does this say Frequency 1150MHz at the top |
| 21:55.06 | kerio | joga: it does that for me too, idk why |
| 21:55.26 | vi_ | because PT is bugged. |
| 21:55.49 | vi_ | pali asked for teh soure for the meego version but nokia failed to deliver. |
| 21:56.04 | joga | k gotta look at this further later...sleep time |
| 21:56.38 | joga | says total wakeups 2789, 93.0/s |
| 21:56.41 | joga | :/ |
| 21:57.02 | vi_ | joga screen locked? |
| 21:57.17 | joga | hmm, nope actually |
| 21:57.20 | kerio | joga: run sudo powertop, lock screen, wait a bit |
| 21:57.24 | joga | yeah just a sec.. |
| 21:57.30 | kerio | that's what the 11 second delay is for |
| 21:57.31 | vi_ | even better: |
| 21:57.35 | SpeedEvil | wakeups is less relevant |
| 21:57.36 | joga | oh lol |
| 21:57.48 | joga | I was just about to type sleep 3; powertop... |
| 21:57.51 | vi_ | sleep 10; powertop; sleep 10; powertop; sleep 10; powertop; sleep 10; powertop; |
| 21:57.56 | SpeedEvil | what ytoy most care about is residence in c4 state |
| 21:58.06 | vi_ | yup |
| 21:58.08 | kerio | SpeedEvil: about 70% |
| 21:58.11 | joga | 12.3% |
| 21:58.20 | SpeedEvil | ideally this should be 3s or more |
| 21:58.24 | joga | ok hold on I'll run it again.. |
| 21:58.25 | vi_ | try it with screen off. |
| 21:58.30 | kerio | oh, persistence |
| 21:59.40 | kerio | SpeedEvil: avg duration in C4 is 850ms for me :( |
| 21:59.57 | SpeedEvil | that's not terrible |
| 21:59.58 | vi_ | just dipped my sword in a fountain in mine town. |
| 22:00.04 | vi_ | it rusted ffs. |
| 22:00.06 | kerio | fukken yappari |
| 22:00.10 | kerio | vi_: 1) don't dip in minetown |
| 22:00.14 | kerio | 2) keep trying |
| 22:00.19 | joga | (wth?) |
| 22:00.31 | SpeedEvil | dipping is a bit risky |
| 22:00.34 | kerio | when it turns into excalibur, it gets fixed and rustproofed |
| 22:00.39 | SpeedEvil | I've never bothered |
| 22:00.42 | kerio | (you're level 5, right?) |
| 22:00.46 | kerio | SpeedEvil: are you shitting me? |
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| 22:01.01 | kerio | half of the easiness of dwarf valks is the early excalibur |
| 22:01.02 | joga | okay now I get 28.1 wakeups, C4 86.9% | 1633.9ms |
| 22:01.06 | SpeedEvil | I tend to crash to mine town at level 1 |
| 22:01.06 | joga | is this bad? |
| 22:01.16 | kerio | you don't dip in minetown, anyway |
| 22:01.26 | kerio | vi_: didn't the watch warn you not to use the fountains? |
| 22:01.27 | joga | (doesn't sound bad actually) |
| 22:01.37 | SpeedEvil | then loot the shops, and do the prot racket to get -10ac native |
| 22:01.46 | joga | nethack= |
| 22:01.52 | kerio | vi_: metagaming a bit, when nethack warns you about something, you better listen |
| 22:01.53 | SpeedEvil | pets are awesome |
| 22:01.55 | joga | ah |
| 22:01.56 | vi_ | #SWAG |
| 22:02.17 | kerio | pets suck, the protection racket is a silly strategy |
| 22:02.20 | vi_ | spee |
| 22:02.31 | joga | nethack, the awesome game where I always eventually fail miserably |
| 22:02.34 | vi_ | SpeedEvil: what is the prot racket? |
| 22:02.36 | SpeedEvil | pet plus pokymorph trap plus leash is also hilarious |
| 22:02.45 | Drathir | hi nokia n810 flashing is similar to n900? |
| 22:02.58 | kerio | vi_: rush to minetown, use your pet to credit clone and steal everything, donate everything at xl1, 400zm at a time |
| 22:03.02 | kerio | to gain immense protection |
| 22:03.18 | SpeedEvil | you can buy protection by donating 400*lvl to a altar priest |
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| 22:03.33 | joga | btw have you tried wazhack? it doesn't have the depth of nethack but if you have a hard time describing nethack to your friends, it's nice |
| 22:03.40 | kerio | joga: nethack is easy |
| 22:03.46 | joga | SURE |
| 22:03.50 | joga | :-p |
| 22:03.53 | kerio | joga: /msg Rodney ??how_to_ascend |
| 22:04.18 | joga | heh, I haven't really played it proper, just a newbie but I appreciate the game a lot |
| 22:04.19 | SpeedEvil | there is a guy on nethack.alt.IRC who can ascend 12 successive games |
| 22:04.26 | SpeedEvil | Marvin |
| 22:04.55 | kerio | SpeedEvil: ...dude, berry did 13 int64_max games in a row in this year's devnull |
| 22:05.03 | kerio | marvin's record is 24, adeon has 29 |
| 22:05.09 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
| 22:05.18 | joga | omg |
| 22:05.26 | joga | do these people have a job |
| 22:05.29 | joga | :P |
| 22:05.34 | vi_ | I once used a potion of stone to flesh on a boulder. It turned into a giant hunk of meat. I kept eating it till I died. |
| 22:05.53 | kerio | vi_: again, when nethack warns you of something, LISTEN |
| 22:06.00 | joga | that's what I love about nethack, when you think about what happens it's often hilarious |
| 22:06.14 | kerio | joga: maud has a 2135-turns ascension on NAO |
| 22:06.36 | SpeedEvil | I invented dig for victory :-) sorta |
| 22:06.54 | SpeedEvil | dig down as an archeologist to the castle |
| 22:07.02 | SpeedEvil | at level 1 |
| 22:07.23 | joga | and usually in my case every game ends in a grueling, desperate battle where I try to survive but end up a levitating, hallucinating polymorphed blob of whatever just before someone delivers the killing blow I was craving |
| 22:07.26 | vi_ | SpeedEvil: go on... |
| 22:07.38 | kerio | vi_: learn to play comfortably first |
| 22:07.47 | SpeedEvil | smash the occupants of the castle with the drawbridge |
| 22:07.53 | SpeedEvil | get the wand of wishing |
| 22:07.56 | kerio | vi_: also, watch maud's 2135 |
| 22:08.02 | kerio | dude's CRAZY |
| 22:08.51 | kerio | vi_: http://alt.org/nethack/userdata/M/Maud/ttyrec/2010-12-06.06:31:30.ttyrec this is most of that game |
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| 22:11.55 | kerio | vi_: are you playing on a server? |
| 22:12.04 | kerio | or do you want your games to not matter? |
| 22:13.24 | vi_ | The watch captain swings her silver saber. The watch captain hits! |
| 22:13.35 | vi_ | You die... |
| 22:13.51 | vi_ | my games to not matter? wtf. |
| 22:16.14 | kerio | everyone knows that local games don't count |
| 22:16.35 | vi_ | idgaf |
| 22:16.45 | vi_ | i do not play for glory. |
| 22:17.21 | kerio | you should play proper nethack, though |
| 22:17.36 | kerio | the one on multiuser unix systems |
| 22:17.39 | kerio | with bones files and stuff |
| 22:19.27 | vi_ | I once found a grave from a past game. |
| 22:19.37 | vi_ | I dug up my old corpse. |
| 22:19.45 | vi_ | Then I looted it. |
| 22:19.51 | vi_ | Then I ate it. |
| 22:19.55 | vi_ | Then I dies. |
| 22:20.56 | SpeedEvil | I once accidentally dropped a souped up marilith dual wielding a couple of artifacts on level 4 on nap |
| 22:21.14 | SpeedEvil | that was an unpleasant surprise for a couple of people |
| 22:21.22 | SpeedEvil | nao |
| 22:21.32 | vi_ | 1. wtf is marilith |
| 22:21.41 | vi_ | 2. wtf is nap |
| 22:21.52 | vi_ | 3. wtf is level 4? |
| 22:22.09 | kerio | nap is a misspelling of nao |
| 22:22.21 | kerio | which is nethack.alt.org |
| 22:22.21 | kerio | level 4 as in dungeon level 4 |
| 22:22.23 | kerio | a marilith is a [SPOILER] |
| 22:22.59 | vi_ | NO |
| 22:23.20 | kerio | SpeedEvil: you can actually go much, much eviler |
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| 22:23.35 | kerio | a level 49 kobold shaman will happily cast touch of death |
| 22:23.54 | kerio | or just 24d6 points of damage with psi bolt |
| 22:24.26 | kerio | give it enough AC, MR and reflection, and it'll fuck up even an asckitted character |
| 22:24.58 | SpeedEvil | wasn't intentional |
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| 22:25.52 | vi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.04 | vi_ | level 6. Killed by a watch captain. |
| 22:38.18 | Drathir | ~flashing |
| 22:38.18 | infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 23:24.18 | NeutrinoPower | where can I see images from the N900 mainboard? |
| 23:25.34 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, DocScrutinizer51 ^ |
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| 23:26.20 | MohammadAG | NeutrinoPower, not sure if these are helpful http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/n900-disassembly/ |
| 23:26.34 | MohammadAG | they're dusty and a bit crappy, DocScrutinizer05's are better, but better than nothing |
| 23:30.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | NeutrinoPower: maemo.cloud-7.de |
| 23:38.39 | NeutrinoPower | thanks |
